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- VCT Champions 2024 is approaching fast, so let's take a look at what all the previous Champs winners had in common, and what set them apart from the rest of the world class competition.
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Saw a couple comments on this already so putting this out there for everyone!
Sorry to the stats nerds expecting a thorough statistical analysis! While I still think trading/economic efficiency (in a different form)/late round success metrics (in a different form) could all be a part of a real predictive model for performance, I recognize that round-related outcomes are going to be extremely biased towards teams with higher round win pct to begin with.
These stats were mostly for fun to try and bring attention to what team factors contribute to consistently high performances (closing out advantages, but simultaneously not relying on them to succeed), and what people might want to qualitatively look out for while watching Champs, but I understand your feedback that they quantitatively don't hold much weight.
I realized early on that there are probably too many limitations to make any solid predictions to begin with, which is why I emphasized not taking these predictions seriously towards the end of the video. With more time in the future I'll try to do a more legitimate stats video on something else, but hopefully you enjoyed the video as much as you could anyway😅
I really respect how you write a disclaimer to make sure that your viewers are both entertained and educated. Gotta sub to this channel!
Hey platoon can you tell me the video title of the eg interview in the end?
@@deardoue69 you can find it in one of the most recent videos uploaded by VCT Champions YT Channel
lmao i was definitely about to joke about how it's surprising that the winning team has to win a lot of rounds lol
next time, you can just divide each of these stats by their round win pct% to see which of these kinds of rounds are the focus right
Ah come on homie, you're not supposed to predict the future, it was an interesting comparisons, the numbers and specifics are just for the understanding, not to be taken as set in stone.
Bro really wanted those perfect pick’ems…
Dw my pick'ems are cooked regardless
@@platoonval nah, you'd win
@@platoonvalim getting that title no matter what
Mine are worse, I have fpx making it out of group b
Mines just a prx hopium
What all champions winning team has in common: They’re good at game
Probably commented this before even watching the video
FNS
🤯
@@mystery8458how is FNS bad 😭
More than that, they are the best.
what’s common is they never stayed together
though i think its not applicable for FNC if they win like where would the players even go they are already in the highest paying org
@@saubhadrsamod1040 Welcome Bleed Alfajer
@@Jinx-iw6zb DFM derke 😂😂😂
@@Jinx-iw6zb that's funny but i don't think he will switch regions I was thinking Navi cuz they are a big org but now only options are Fut or Vit
@@saubhadrsamod1040 fnc are not winning
Commenting without watching the vid, I already know they all have a gaming chair
And a good mousepad
The first blood statistics perhaps were valuable if you included only one: either FB and Non FB. Taking into account both, you are sampling 100% of rounds and I feel like its just going to be biased to whoever wins the most (The Champions winners obviously).
The rest I feel as if are also biased to "whoever wins the most rounds" (Besides trades) which can just be equated to whoever is playing well. We all know the champs winners were playing well.
Though I think being able to win ECO's is huge and a good indicator of good tactics (in contrasts to just having good aim and mechanics. At least if were not talking the chamber meta)
Thanks for the detailed feedback!
You're completely right that those stats are "mostly" meaningless if we're trying to actually predict a winner, and I probably should not have prefaced them by implying they are the strongest indicators of success.
Mainly just wanted to point out what team factors contribute to consistently high performances (closing out advantages, but simultaneously not relying on them to succeed). By no means a real statistical analysis but hopefully at least still fun for you to watch!
@@platoonval Love your videos! I enjoy watching them and I find them thought provoking. I don't disagree with anything you said, these stats are indeed big factors to what contribute to high performances!
EG ecos is not talked enough. The amount of times we saw them pull a round out of their ass because c0m had sova ult, ethan or jaw just owned an angle and got one more than they should have, or demon1 or boostio just popped off after picking up the vandal after clipping someone with a sheriff was insane. Literally at no moment in their champs run on a post timeout eco did I feel confident they would lose it.
your statistics are so good. i hope you make more of it especially for other team's analysis like TS which always one step away from qualifying for champs.
Honestly, as a Computer Science student, I'd love to do some data mining on these stats haha
New project idea for me!!
How is it done so quick, not manually right
don't think we have too much data to get anything useful, but yeah we can get some weights to predict this year's champs
@@PrashantSingh-e6t as a computer science student, the process is spending 20 hours making a program that does it automatically instead of manually doing it in 5 hours
@@ohneeva lot of stats can't be tracked without manual input so this doesn't really apply in my opinion
Loud 2022 stats are crazy, every one in that roster is just insane...
Crazy time that goes into these videos 🔥
What PRX have the most post plants??? Something's not right with the data
regional data, they sucks at it when going to international 😂
Alecks changed their post plant discipline after Shanghai after seeing what happened
note, this is including post-shanghai data aswell (stage 2) where they became far more disciplined within pacific
what all champions winning team has in common: they don't choke
PRX crying rn
@@flashback2335i mean tbf the are all teens in their 18-20 yo, kids so young can’t really handle stress well, give them a few years maybe they will be better😂😂
@@yilongmaskI can’t tell if you’re serious. Forsaken is 20, Jinggg is 21, Something is 22, Mindfreak is 24, and Davai is ?25?
Hey Platoon, love your analysis videos. Just as a method of solving the bias that winning teams have better stats, you could draw for each team 50 random rounds in a tournament that are wins and 50 random rounds that are losses to get non-win related statistics such as trade percentages. Of course 50 can be replaced with whatever number is appropriate (I just chose that number out of convenience) For win-related statistics, that problem would still persist but at least for such an important fundamental as trading or % of rounds won that are an eco this would solve that. ❤
Thanks for the great suggestion to randomly sample! Will consider it in the future for other stats :)
@@platoonval ❤️
It's kind of funny how stats can still show stories, like how optic wasn't the best at trading but that might partly be due to yay single handidly destroying teams without needing to trade because of chamber and even though acend wast the top at trading they were still pretty high up there
so much work into the video, loved it
Fb win percentage feels like it has the obvious confound of the teams that win it all will have a higher round win percentage in general since they're winning, which would raise their fb win rate.
The stats are proof that acend winning champs were just a fluke. I don't see any of the acend players getting highlights after the event
I was just gonna comment this exact thing lol. Gambit should’ve 1000% won 2021.
Though I would like to say that cned 100% has compilations, and if not directly about him, he’s in a lot of best flick compilations.
Great video! The data is simplified well and easy to read.
What a great video! Love the research that you put into it!
I'm not sure but I think we should also consider vibes and momentum, like after winning a thrifty the momentum shifts no?
loud 2022 was insane
Please continue this after Seoul, thanks!
Gonna use this for pick 'ems thx man
I used this for pick'ems. I'm top 4% with 104 points now. Now let's see if I can do it again for playoffs.
Honestly this video shows very well why Champs 24 looks *stacked*. Multiple teams are good and rank closely w.r.t. each other in each stat. This just confirms it's going to be really hard to predict every match accurately (except obviously Talon's lmao) and also to determine who is the possible winner out of all these teams.
congratulations for the work!
Interesting appreciation and video overall as always.
Great video as always!
love this type of vid
It’s crazy how good champs 2022 loud was
crazy good video. as always
Bro that thumbnail is sick
EG scored 1st on every stats last year except retake, and the Org just didn't care about it. Wasted one of the best team.
I always loved your statistic way of analyzing things, but in this video, I think it is almost like you included most stats, and that means like ok you have to won first blood, than you have to win also without it. You have to have a strong postplant and retake. You need to have good trades, etc. I think those are basics of the games and if you say that you need to do all that is almost like telling them you have to win all the rounds to be champs and of course they have lol.
The only thing that I think we can get from this video is how Valorant has become more and more team oriented and strat oriented rather than just go and kill all enemy
Yo great vid, remember to take care of yourself tho!
hey Platoon, great video as usual! The percentage at 2:25 should be average tho, instead of total. It just doesn't make sense to add them up.
Ah good callout. Added that in last minute to try and show that head to head trades from 1st-8th placed teams clearly trends upward but doesn't make sense to actually add cause of different sample sizes. At least I think it's still probably true😅
@@platoonval no difference, if u were to do an average itll have the same results since youll divide them all by a same number.
@@telmenerdenetugs True! The point is that averaging the percentages of teams gives an improper idea of what the true trading average for the year is (which is simply all trades/all deaths)
1:45 Gambit were the power house back then and it’s crazy how far if the team wasn’t disband. Plus I was so sad that gambit lost champions 2021 because they could’ve won in icebox, but ascend kept their cool and won.
The Gen.G vs G2 Grand Final gonna go CRAZY calling it now.
UPDATE: Gen.G have been taken out in groups… Sen look great again… Team Heretics also beat Gen.G just by fixing some minor mistakes.
Boy slow down. 😭😂✌🏾
I think it's fnc vs geng
@@xexstartheyoutuber2424nah GenG vs Lev
G2 can’t best Lev (shown in stage 2). GenG and Lev are genuinely just a tier above everyone else.
Lev literally had not dropped a single map in Stage 2 until they got to playoffs semifinals. They had a flawless run.
Plus, their map pools are insane, GenG and Lev only having like one map each that is below a 50% win rate.
@@cloudyskyz2237 Lev relies a LOT on Aspas and Mazino to cook. To be fair, they often do frag insanely well, but it's not a guarentee. Meanwhile, G2 is a team that's entirely based on timings, and reads, so they're not reliant on really anyone to win rounds, it's their teamplay that's fundamentally great. Look at their rounds, they are winning 3v5's, and their clutch rate is so high so consistently even though they aren't highlight players. They simply have a better read on the game than anyone else. Very similar to EG last year, where EG never really heavily relied on any one person to carry their rounds. Demon1 did have his highlights but the majority of rounds they simply had a really good gameplan.
I think only taking stage 2 in account can be a bit misleading, since other factors can affect teams, like Team Heretics, which have been seen as a pretty strong team in international events, however their level took a dip in performance do to burnout (like miniboo said).
I mean the burnout excuse is just BS. GenG stayed on top consistently since Shanghai. Why would they not also be burned out?
previous champs should be the same as masters winner. Same level of difficulty(against best team available around the world.)
They are just the best team in the world for that current MONTH.
great vid
who's here after EDG WON CHAMPS?
love content like this
that viper at 2:48 lowkey looks like utopia album cover
Certain teams like GenG are just on another level compared to their regional form which probably messed with the stats. Like GenG before Shanghai didn't look that impressive compared to their Madrid form. Certain teams are able force themselves to go to another level when its time for important games
That's Honestly true, they looked Shaky in Split 1 and when it came time for Shanghai, they were the scariest team to face and no one wanted to play against them
Crazy to think the last International loss GenG had was on Madrid Finals, they actually look insane. Hope we get A+ from every players this champs too. APAC needs first champs trophy now
A part of that is also strats. GEN.G probably won't use everything for a random season game where as for a Masters they'll use everything.
@@munkhjinmunkhbayar5952it’s also due to their crazy map pool. Both them and Lev only have like one map each that is below 50% win rate.
@@cloudyskyz2237 crucial thing is WAS their map pool. Sunset was their only weak map now Abyss and Haven is in instead of Breeze (Their practically 100% win map where they're THE best team in the world), and Split (TH got destroyed, not Breeze level but definitely very strong map). They won Shanghai because not gonna lie they had Icebox, Lotus, Ascent, Breeze, Split, and then Sunset and Bind (Weaker ones). Now it's gonna be a bit tough because they got destroyed by DRX on Haven, and Abyss hasn't even been shown.
What all champions winning teams have in common: They're champions
NRG vs BLG still maintaining relevance
hello Plato big fan of ur works! i was wondering if u ever thought of costreaming these events on twitch and give a lil insight on how why and what a team can do
im sure theres a lot of ppl will be happy to hear that. much love ^^
GenG stats differ hugely from local competetion and international
they have a different mode for internationals
Proof that you just don’t really know until we see who wins lol.
6:45 you saying 4th place in champs is an early tournament exit.
Its not looking good for us then on god.
Haha just because everyone expected them to win but not early for normal standards
glowing eyes apparently lol this thumbnail
as a SEN fan seeing SEN above GENG in almost characteristics, i'm on copium, i'm on hopium 😈😈😈
If I watch 12 minutes for them to say ‘a trophy’ I will be very disappointed
Such a good video
so sen are winning champs!!! WE'RE BACK EZZ
Tln scrim looking good tho👀
I genuinely believe in order to win Champs you need a "guy" like an aspas or t3xture.
What they had in common, they all won champs 🗿🗿💯💯💯💯💯💯
this video just proves that, so far, LOUD 2022 is the Best team in the history of the game
7 views in 55 seconds? bro is him
starman ahh comment
Me watching this after seeing how fnc did against drx earlier today: damn... Aite... OOO AAA EEE EFF ENN CEE
They all disbanded after winning champs
Platoon your vid’s are actual art🦞😩
Like this is the only channel that I get videos recommended right after they release cause I click every time❤
G2 is severely underestimated by everyone including their fanbase
They still will most likely not even get to top 4 🤷♀️ I’d say it’s a toss up between them and TH on who gets to 4th.
@@cloudyskyz2237I hope so, would be nice for the guard to get a w after like 2 years of being in ascension
g2 are your 2024 vct champs
Acend does not count bro let's be real here
Proof the win was a fluke lol
Can't help but notice PRX was looking pretty good on all those stats.
This is not a good analysis, any stat that includes the outcome of the round makes meaningless predictions. You are effectively saying teams that came first in tournaments... win rounds, this is obvious and not as insightful as it seems. making it 4v5 and 5v4 w/r doesn't make it meaningful, because obviously teams that win rounds are going to correlate with stats that are how often do you win the round.
Your prediction at the end is really just saying teams that have won are likely to win in the future, though true is trivial. A good prediction from statistical analysis would be if you could predict a team previously winning is going to do poorly or a team losing is going to do well this time. Or more usefully if you could apply your model to previous tournaments and predict the outcome only using data from before the tournament which from this video seems not the case
Bros the stat savant 😭😭😭
Thanks for the detailed feedback! You're 100% right that it is not a good statistical analysis and I'm sorry to have baited you into thinking it might have been.
While I still think trading/economic efficiency (in a different form)/late round success metrics (in a different form) could all be a part of a real predictive model for performance, I recognize that round-related outcomes are going to be extremely biased towards teams with higher round win pct to begin with.
These stats were mostly for fun to try and bring attention to what team factors contribute to consistently high performances (closing out advantages, but simultaneously not relying on them to succeed), and what people might want to qualitatively look out for while watching Champs, but I understand your feedback that they quantitatively don't hold much weight.
I realized early on that there are probably too many limitations to make any solid predictions to begin with, which is why I emphasized not taking these predictions seriously towards the end of the video. With more time in the future I'll try to do a more legitimate stats video on something else, but hopefully you enjoyed the video as much as you could anyway 😅
@@platoonval mm i wonder if someone put these numbers into a machine learning model to predict stuff
All i can see is that Gambit should have won in 2021
These stats are bit biased, they only include stats from champs but not during the seasons/masters, of course the winning teams will have highest stats across board but it doesnt mean it correlates if they didnt do this across their season
bro 100% works in data analytics
All this told me is that sen isn’t winning
my guess is a FNC and G2 grand fjnal
i dont mean to be a hindsight harry but acend got lucky because riot gave them free win against vivo keyd so they are not the champions gambit were
well i dont think this aged well
The most ridiculous thing i can extract is gmb should ve won champs
Make detail video about trading in PRO Val.
they all break up the next day
Nice Video
more proof that 23 EG was the greatest val team of all time
I'm pretty convinced that fb/non fb win percentage is useless data. Like if you win a lot you obviously have high fb and non fb win percentage. I guess your point remains, as it would be possible for a team to win champions with exclusively high fb wr, and therefore your data shows you should be well rounded. But like the data alone fells kinda useless. I could make a statistic of wr (winrate) when you use utility first (or something random which dosent impact gameplay) and claim that the champions winners also had the highest wr in rounds where they used utility first compared to other teams.
Anyway, long rant, your data feels a bit useless, however id say your point that the winners were well rounded makes sense. Please give an explanation if i simply couldn't interpret your data correctly
You're right! Full explanation in my pinned comment
Prx getting grouped
I genuinely would not be surprised if they get knocked out in groups. They got destroyed by G2, and if FUT actually pick their best map, ascent, then PRX have zero chance.
Tbh, the only reason PRX have been consistently in international events this season is because of their individual player skills. They flip flop between having good team play and not, and their map pool is arguably one of the worst out of all the teams, maybe only slightly ahead of Talon and Trace, purely because they are so dominant on Sunset. That is literally their only good map. Every other map besides Lotus (and abyss technically but they’ve only played one game on it so eh) has an under 50% win rate. Hence why they were very easily reverse swept by DRX.
you said dark horse, and then picked a top 4 team at Champs....
My red flag is thinking talon can win champs 😂
The 2024 stats just blatantly shows how bad TLN is 😂😂
I LOVE YOU BRO
Bro you sound like FNS
If you combine stat 2 and stat 3, you are essentially saying “champions winners tend to win rounds with or without a first blood”. Bruh. You are literally saying “winners tend to win”. Amazing analysis.
what a video
Mmhm prx post plant number 1 AINTNOWAY, also lev is winning
Having the same teams on top of charts when it comes to winning with 1st blood and without it means that these 2 stats don't mean much here. It's basically "teams that win bigger % of rounds win champs". Duh! What a revelation!
how did gen g win shanghai 💀
how do u check these stats im curious
Suffering
Acend had terrible stats cause every team threw against them
Edg won champs so
What all champions have in common is that the enemy team in the grand finals all should've won but then they threw
Bro said "early tournament exit" for a top4 finish lmfao
G2 3-2 GEN.G grand finals lock it in
all the stats here and SEN gonna win it all anyway 😭😭