Great comparison review. Both fair and honest. The Value Equation: What do you gain by paying more? And what do you lose by paying less? The Staccato '2011' is their proprietary name and has a composite polymer lower grip frame. They go for $3K+, and mags are $75 each. Ironically STI use to rework RIA and other 1911's and parts. STI rebranded as Staccato. $3K is plenty of budget to play with. Trick out 1 pistol like the RIA 1911 and get more ammo and training. Or 3-4 other nice pistols. Heck an MP5 9mm clone plus accessories. Whatever mix you want.
I owned that RI at one point and shot it in 3-gun matches. I own an STI DVC 3-gun. I got trigger work done on the RI as the 5 lb+ trigger was not conducive to competitive shooting, and it did not have a mag well. It shot reasonably well, was good accuracy wise, and I had zero gun related malfunctions. I put about 1500 rounds through it. I sold it to purchase a CZ then sold the CZ to purchase the STI. There is a very noticeable difference between the RI and the STI. The STI has a super nice trigger, the slide felt like it was on ball bearings, and I loved the gun so much I put 25k rounds through it in the first year I owned it. Sadly, the plandemic put a damper on my cost per shot ratio, and I haven't been to a competition in years. But the STI still has 28k rounds through it without any gun related problems. It shot exactly like the Staccato XL that I rented at a local range and shot them both side by side. You can make the RI almost as nice as the higher end guns, but at the end of the day, you still have an RI and the resale value isn't very high.
No disrespect intended, but the bigger guy needs to take a few classes. Everything from poor hand placement on the pistols to inexperienced rushing of the trigger and reset, all things that can easily be improved with proper training. And then of course make the pistols as apples to apples as possible and throw the exact same light on both pistols or no lights if you are going to try to compare them.
Definitely no disrespect intended, but I have to agree. Any high-end gun will not make you a better shot. But it better tunes you in. It’s unforgiving for inconsistencies. I have found that if you shoot guns that eliminate any mechanical issue, you can really work on your technique. The bullets going to go where you hold itand pull the trigger consistently with a solid grip.
The weapon light hanging off the end of the staccato makes a noticeable difference in recoil when comparing to a pistol without, regardless of overall weight. Surprised yall didn't notice the obvious.
Maybe a little in muzzle flip but that light isn't soaking up any recoil more than the long steel rail on the RIA. But hey maybe it's not that obvious.
I love staccato but I could buy and build up a rock island and a tisas ds for staccato price and have 2 great running guns especially if your running competition and one messes up, just my thoughts, great videos really appreciate your take on the firearms.
When I first got my RIA 1911 A2 it was like an unpolished gem. After completely disassembling it and polishing the ever loving crap out of almost every moving part it became a smooth beautiful machine. The trigger was always about 3lbs though. With a polish more like 2.5lb. Couple guys at the range who weren't familiar with the RIA's held it and thought it was a competition build.
The recoil is also going to be easier to shoot when you have a light mounted on the staccato and not the RIA. I have both guns and I can hit everything at the same distance and accuracy and both have lasted the same amount of rounds at over 2000 on each with factory parts. But I have had more failures to feed from the staccato then the RIA and I had to do a 500 round break in with the staccato (like Kimber) and the RIA has been flawless from the box with everything.
@@TriggeredEasily Everyone is usually blown away by it. I guess luck of the draw. It was about 3lbs when I got it and all I did was lightly polish the trigger parts and heavily polished the rest.
Why no optics? I get the Rock Island not having an optics cut however I do believe RIA will cut it if you sent it back to them. The Rock Island Pro Tac Ultra is an amazing gun for the money. I know several guys running them in USPSA.
As far as the Triggered Easily we are big on shooting unmodified guns to show it in the purest form however we are starting to branch out and do more optic stuff
You can get the Rock Island and put 4000 rounds through it before you hit the cost of the Staccato P. I have the Rock Island Tac Ultra and have shot the Staccato. Staccato definitely was a smoother gun to shoot.
Yes on both points. Thanks for mentioning this. RIA mags are based on Para P18 type. The Staccato has a bushingless design. Yes it has a bull barrel fit to the front. But eventually the front lockup will wear out and become loose. It does not have a bushing to support it. I've seen other new Staccato's shoot loose groups too. The opposite to what Nathan said. Where that RIA 1911 has a bushing and better front lockup. Physically more material to support the barrel and seal the front of slide.
@@TriggeredEasily something I tell my buddies, a cheap PSA in the hands of a skilled and practiced individual is far more dangerous than a KAC or Noveske covered in dust.
Yes '2011' is Staccato's proprietary name and has a polymer grip frame. Ironically STI use to rework RIA and other 1911's and parts. STI rebranded as Staccato.
@@BAdventures you are correct in this as well. Another thing some people don't realize is that RIA, Remington, and Kimber as well as other 1911DS/2011 manufacturer's all used old leftover PARA Ordnance P14 45acp and P18 1911 double stack 1911 lower receivers/frames that were in an abundance to create their prototype versions of the double stack mag 1911/2011 and that in reality PARA Ordnance created the double stack mag compatible 1911 and paved the way for the current modern 1911DS/2011 guns that are around today and is why we have so many different companies creating their own version of the gun with different methods and materials which is why we have such a large difference between the cost of different brands of 1911DS/2011 guns from the new budget friendly Tisa 2011 $599 price tag to the Pit Viper 2011 (gotta see it in John Wick 4) of the extremely high price tag of between $5,000-$7,000 depending on when, how, and who you get it from and what you want on it. But I try to stay in the middle with RIA TAC 9mm 1911DS at $900 and Springfield Prodigy at $1300-$1600 (depending on if you get the one with the optic included or not) to Bull 2011 at $1400-$2000 and STI/Staccato at $2000-$3000 depending on which one you get. Also don't forget the Alien 2011 (that my buddy has and won't shut up about that to be honest I know nothing about and is why I won't put a price tag on it). But this is a very nice style gun that thanks to different people creating their own version of has made it possible for anyone who is in the market for a dependable 1911DS/2011 to get one they can afford without having to save up for years or sell multiple other guns to get one, and people that want a very special made to order style 2011 can spend their small fortune on a Pit Viper that the rest of us can only dream of owning or would have to sell a kidney or lung to be able to buy.
It's cheaper to modify the RIA and it will be better than the staccato than to buy the staccato. I have both and an extra RIA completely modified for a total of $1,600 including the gun from factory and is way better than my staccato P and a $1,600 investment compared to a $2,500 staccato P factory. A modified staccato P is going to be North of $3,500 and around $4,000 to be honest.
Totally agree. The Value Equation: What do you gain by paying more? And what do you lose by paying less? $4K budget? You could get your tricked out RIA 1911, and MP5 9mm clone with accessories.
@@BAdventures exactly, I was actually able to take my wife on a nice vacation with the money I saved by doing the modifications to my RIA with buying the extra gun to modify than the cost of just modifying the staccato P that I already have and would have been a lot more if I bought another staccato P to modify at around $2,500 not including modification parts, time, and labor plus shipping costs if I had to get a gunsmith do anything. I was also able to put some of the money I saved into paying part of the cost of my Benelli M4 12g with the rest of the cost coming out of my pocket.
@@TriggeredEasily yes it definitely is. But I'm not trying to bash staccato by any means. Staccato P is a very nice gun and if you don't have any plans to modify the gun you get and you just want a smooth fast shooting 2011 and can afford to pay the cost staccato is definitely the way to go. They have the best factory trigger of any 1911DS/2011 I have ever shot, and they are very reliable and accurate.
@@chadbrattain7185 Hey thanks for the reply and that's cool. You did the mix that worked for you. All nice options. It's not a RIA anymore, it's a top of the range custom piece. Plus you got enjoy a vacation with the boss (wife). Is any of this worth it? Your wife will be the judge, jokes.
Great comparison review. Both fair and honest.
The Value Equation: What do you gain by paying more? And what do you lose by paying less?
The Staccato '2011' is their proprietary name and has a composite polymer lower grip frame. They go for $3K+, and mags are $75 each. Ironically STI use to rework RIA and other 1911's and parts. STI rebranded as Staccato.
$3K is plenty of budget to play with. Trick out 1 pistol like the RIA 1911 and get more ammo and training. Or 3-4 other nice pistols. Heck an MP5 9mm clone plus accessories. Whatever mix you want.
Yes! Definitely love these ideas
I owned that RI at one point and shot it in 3-gun matches. I own an STI DVC 3-gun. I got trigger work done on the RI as the 5 lb+ trigger was not conducive to competitive shooting, and it did not have a mag well. It shot reasonably well, was good accuracy wise, and I had zero gun related malfunctions. I put about 1500 rounds through it. I sold it to purchase a CZ then sold the CZ to purchase the STI. There is a very noticeable difference between the RI and the STI. The STI has a super nice trigger, the slide felt like it was on ball bearings, and I loved the gun so much I put 25k rounds through it in the first year I owned it. Sadly, the plandemic put a damper on my cost per shot ratio, and I haven't been to a competition in years. But the STI still has 28k rounds through it without any gun related problems. It shot exactly like the Staccato XL that I rented at a local range and shot them both side by side. You can make the RI almost as nice as the higher end guns, but at the end of the day, you still have an RI and the resale value isn't very high.
Yeah it’s a solid choice but it has its flaws
No disrespect intended, but the bigger guy needs to take a few classes. Everything from poor hand placement on the pistols to inexperienced rushing of the trigger and reset, all things that can easily be improved with proper training. And then of course make the pistols as apples to apples as possible and throw the exact same light on both pistols or no lights if you are going to try to compare them.
Yeah for sure
Nah, he is more of a casual shooter like most people.
Definitely no disrespect intended, but I have to agree. Any high-end gun will not make you a better shot. But it better tunes you in. It’s unforgiving for inconsistencies. I have found that if you shoot guns that eliminate any mechanical issue, you can really work on your technique. The bullets going to go where you hold itand pull the trigger consistently with a solid grip.
Fun and excellent review. Please do a review on the MAC DS 1911 a.k.a. Turkatto and the APOLLO 11. Peace
The weapon light hanging off the end of the staccato makes a noticeable difference in recoil when comparing to a pistol without, regardless of overall weight. Surprised yall didn't notice the obvious.
I definitely did. It just may have not been talked about.
Maybe a little in muzzle flip but that light isn't soaking up any recoil more than the long steel rail on the RIA. But hey maybe it's not that obvious.
I love staccato but I could buy and build up a rock island and a tisas ds for staccato price and have 2 great running guns especially if your running competition and one messes up, just my thoughts, great videos really appreciate your take on the firearms.
Thanks 😊 we definitely try and take a different and more entertaining approach
When I first got my RIA 1911 A2 it was like an unpolished gem. After completely disassembling it and polishing the ever loving crap out of almost every moving part it became a smooth beautiful machine. The trigger was always about 3lbs though. With a polish more like 2.5lb. Couple guys at the range who weren't familiar with the RIA's held it and thought it was a competition build.
Cool channel, You guys wanna price friendly gun that will KO the M&P 2.0 give the Stoeger STR9 (Any version 9c, 9sc or 9) a look.
Thank you! Definitely like the sound of this idea we’ve never experienced a Stoeger STR9 before!
Does anyone know what brand of owb holster the guy in white shirt has. Tia.
@loc_tactical
The recoil is also going to be easier to shoot when you have a light mounted on the staccato and not the RIA. I have both guns and I can hit everything at the same distance and accuracy and both have lasted the same amount of rounds at over 2000 on each with factory parts. But I have had more failures to feed from the staccato then the RIA and I had to do a 500 round break in with the staccato (like Kimber) and the RIA has been flawless from the box with everything.
Good to know thanks for the info
My RIA has a 2.5 lb trigger tops lol
That’s a great trigger
@@TriggeredEasily Everyone is usually blown away by it. I guess luck of the draw. It was about 3lbs when I got it and all I did was lightly polish the trigger parts and heavily polished the rest.
Why no optics?
I get the Rock Island not having an optics cut however I do believe RIA will cut it if you sent it back to them.
The Rock Island Pro Tac Ultra is an amazing gun for the money.
I know several guys running them in USPSA.
As far as the Triggered Easily we are big on shooting unmodified guns to show it in the purest form however we are starting to branch out and do more optic stuff
RIA is value for money but expect spend more than the msrp for mods to run for competition
Unfortunately I haven’t gotten to much into competitions yet. Definitely need to get some intro videos of that
The ria uses para mags not sti / 2011 mags.
Makes a lot of sense
Next corvette vs vw jetta
This comment just made me burst out laughing 😂😂
You can get the Rock Island and put 4000 rounds through it before you hit the cost of the Staccato P. I have the Rock Island Tac Ultra and have shot the Staccato. Staccato definitely was a smoother gun to shoot.
Mags do not interchange. Para style for rock island. If the bushing is fit correctly it should last as long as the gun.
It makes a lot of sense
Yes on both points. Thanks for mentioning this. RIA mags are based on Para P18 type. The Staccato has a bushingless design. Yes it has a bull barrel fit to the front. But eventually the front lockup will wear out and become loose. It does not have a bushing to support it. I've seen other new Staccato's shoot loose groups too. The opposite to what Nathan said. Where that RIA 1911 has a bushing and better front lockup. Physically more material to support the barrel and seal the front of slide.
Hahah awesome!
Thank you!
Can it beat? Eh probably not. Can it hold up? Maybe.
It was pretty close in the experienced shooters hands and even the inexperienced shooters hand
@@TriggeredEasily something I tell my buddies, a cheap PSA in the hands of a skilled and practiced individual is far more dangerous than a KAC or Noveske covered in dust.
The RIA isn’t a 2011, it’s a double stack 1911
Technically only staccato are 2011, if you wanna get really technical.
Actually STI would be the original 2011, but they did turn into Staccato so you are still correct.
Yes '2011' is Staccato's proprietary name and has a polymer grip frame. Ironically STI use to rework RIA and other 1911's and parts. STI rebranded as Staccato.
@@BAdventures you are correct in this as well. Another thing some people don't realize is that RIA, Remington, and Kimber as well as other 1911DS/2011 manufacturer's all used old leftover PARA Ordnance P14 45acp and P18 1911 double stack 1911 lower receivers/frames that were in an abundance to create their prototype versions of the double stack mag 1911/2011 and that in reality PARA Ordnance created the double stack mag compatible 1911 and paved the way for the current modern 1911DS/2011 guns that are around today and is why we have so many different companies creating their own version of the gun with different methods and materials which is why we have such a large difference between the cost of different brands of 1911DS/2011 guns from the new budget friendly Tisa 2011 $599 price tag to the Pit Viper 2011 (gotta see it in John Wick 4) of the extremely high price tag of between $5,000-$7,000 depending on when, how, and who you get it from and what you want on it. But I try to stay in the middle with RIA TAC 9mm 1911DS at $900 and Springfield Prodigy at $1300-$1600 (depending on if you get the one with the optic included or not) to Bull 2011 at $1400-$2000 and STI/Staccato at $2000-$3000 depending on which one you get. Also don't forget the Alien 2011 (that my buddy has and won't shut up about that to be honest I know nothing about and is why I won't put a price tag on it). But this is a very nice style gun that thanks to different people creating their own version of has made it possible for anyone who is in the market for a dependable 1911DS/2011 to get one they can afford without having to save up for years or sell multiple other guns to get one, and people that want a very special made to order style 2011 can spend their small fortune on a Pit Viper that the rest of us can only dream of owning or would have to sell a kidney or lung to be able to buy.
Unfair comparison. The pistol light makes a huge difference in reducing recoil. This test should be repeated
Definitely planning on redoing the video also I don’t feel there were enough comparison tests done.
It's cheaper to modify the RIA and it will be better than the staccato than to buy the staccato. I have both and an extra RIA completely modified for a total of $1,600 including the gun from factory and is way better than my staccato P and a $1,600 investment compared to a $2,500 staccato P factory. A modified staccato P is going to be North of $3,500 and around $4,000 to be honest.
Wow it’s definitely a huge difference in price
Totally agree. The Value Equation: What do you gain by paying more? And what do you lose by paying less?
$4K budget? You could get your tricked out RIA 1911, and MP5 9mm clone with accessories.
@@BAdventures exactly, I was actually able to take my wife on a nice vacation with the money I saved by doing the modifications to my RIA with buying the extra gun to modify than the cost of just modifying the staccato P that I already have and would have been a lot more if I bought another staccato P to modify at around $2,500 not including modification parts, time, and labor plus shipping costs if I had to get a gunsmith do anything. I was also able to put some of the money I saved into paying part of the cost of my Benelli M4 12g with the rest of the cost coming out of my pocket.
@@TriggeredEasily yes it definitely is. But I'm not trying to bash staccato by any means. Staccato P is a very nice gun and if you don't have any plans to modify the gun you get and you just want a smooth fast shooting 2011 and can afford to pay the cost staccato is definitely the way to go. They have the best factory trigger of any 1911DS/2011 I have ever shot, and they are very reliable and accurate.
@@chadbrattain7185 Hey thanks for the reply and that's cool. You did the mix that worked for you. All nice options. It's not a RIA anymore, it's a top of the range custom piece. Plus you got enjoy a vacation with the boss (wife). Is any of this worth it? Your wife will be the judge, jokes.
You can easily put 700-1000 into the rock island and make it a way better gun for less
Definitely!
$2.500 vs 600 come on u guys talking bad about rock island.
Actually it’s the opposite way around 🤣 the rock island is great
The Staccato is a much better gun in almost every category.
Yeah definitely just not price 😂
Everyone knows the staccato is better and worth every penny
But without this excellent journalism, would you really know?