We had only ONE HOUR to RECORD DRUMS!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- We face off against the makers of Lewitt mics in a one hour drum challenge: Setup, record and mix a drum set in only one hour. Who had the better mix? Team Spectre, or Team Lewitt? Leave a comment & tell us what your favourite mix is!
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I'm Glenn Fricker, engineer here at Spectre Sound Studios. I love making records, and after doing it for sixteen years, I want to pass on what I've learned. On my channel you can find tutorials on how to record guitar, bass, real drums and vocals. There's reviews and demos of tube amps, amp sims, drums, mics, preamps, outboard gear, Electric Guitar, Bass Guitar, and plugin effects.
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Thanks again to the both of you for dropping by. It was fun and exhausting indeed...let's see what happens in PART 2 of our epic studio battle.
That was awesome. The Lewitt guys were great. Fun challenge. I have the Lewitt LCT 640. I have had it for about 9 years and I use it all the time.
GG guys! Just got back from a gig with my MTP540. I have it for several years now and it's my preferred live mic!
You guys are doing great things, I have a pair of 140s on my radar!
Mix A is absolutely Glenn's mix. Not only does it sound miles better,, but there's his trademark "shit ton of reverb on the snare" technique that totally makes his signature sound.
I agree, same for the toms. They have that Glenn sound.
It's funny, because in more traditional pop, it works wonders as well :) You can have a loud, dry and punchy kick, and a 50% wet snare, and wetter toms - provided the latter is only here and there.
80's snare with a ton of reverb technique 👍
and that fat kick and crystal highs
@@phantasmich or mult the snare, eq, limit to hell, plate, limit as well - and then tuck it in beneath.
I'll go with mix A: it's a bit more rough on the cymbals but it sounds more full and modern. The fact that its volume is higher doesn't help in a fair comparison.
Hah yea mix A is definitely SSS, i can't imagine Glenn being so pleased himself with the sound of the mix B kick, but both sounded really good for 60 minutes to setup, record and mix... and i imagine Glenn has vastly more experience in making quick decisions about a mix. Thanks guys, love to Lewitt and SSS
"Somebody should've been a bass player."
You always sneak 'em in and I love it
this was really cool, liked both mixes, feel like Mix A was a bit raw, and Mix B went too far with a "safe" sound. that being said, its really really really amazing how you guys pulled this off in the time
You mean, the mix was alive, not raw, raw sounds different. B on the other hand was muffled dead.
@@GroovingDrums Are you just ignoring the glaring abudnance of 5-10k frequency on track A? That and the kick blended in with the rest of the band.
@@DudeMcGuybro Did I say it was perfect and nothing needs to be adjusted? Heck no. But for one hour including mic placement, recording, mixing, it feels just alive.
You can clearly hear how dead Mix B is when you directly listen from the End of A to the beginning of B. Not only the drums are more alive, but also the rest of the band. Track B is so muffled down, 'it's dead Jim'.
@@GroovingDrums You have a fair point! I prefer blankets instead of razor blade because my ears are big babies and can't handle the frequencies xD
Both mixes work, for sure. Mix A has more energy, but it almost sounds a bit too crushed/hyped, whereas B sounded like it was a little too safe, not quite energetic enough, but overall tone I did prefer B. Cool video though, would love to see more like this! Maybe something with Shure?
That's exactly what I thought.
Mix A peaked so bad.
mix b sounds a lot more like a demo
prefer the Team A mix, i'm assuming it's yours lol. Drums are lot more clearer there which fits better for modern sounding metal band.
I agree, only sounds a bit phasey on the cymbals xD
It’s so cool seeing Glenn just doing his thing and seeing him making micing and mixing decisions in the moment
Yes, he's definitely such a pro in so many things.
Me: at work listening to this
Glenn: Go waste a little more of your bosses time
Me: Good idea Glenn *heads over to the Lewiston TH-cam page
Mix B is clearer and more in control. Mix A sounds more up front but the bass is a bit boomy.
Fun video, thanks!
“B” reminded me of the sounds from some 90’s-00’s bands that I really enjoy, so I pick it. I do believe “A” is probably the better one for modern production. I dig this type of video. Good job, y’all
Hi Matthew, glad you liked it.
This is absolute GOLD!
Definitely going with A here. Sounds much bigger to my ears, the snare has a lot more pop to it as well and doesn't sound as dead. Cymbals I'm more balanced and not as hissy in the top end. Both sound good but A gets my boat
What a fun challenge! Great to watch such vastly different perspectives. Wow! More than a touch of jealousy at the room you got to work in as well as having carte blanche of all those amazing Lewitt mics.
Of the two mixes, mIx A just has more oomph, and definitely feels like Glenn's signature mix tropes are all over it. I'm just a sucker for how Glenn crushes the drum sound.
Also, as a Reaper user, it was great to see Glenn just record the drums and then take the stems to his laptop and do his thing.
Oh wow. I’ve been in some insane studios in my day. The studio I grew up in was obsessed with upgrading to the newest unit every single time something came out. It was pretty insane. But this studio just looks beautiful. The studio grew up in looked like an 80s space shop, but this looks like a work of art!
Thanks! Much appreciated
Mix A is really great, everything feels like it was presented at their best. Mix B in comparison has a classic Morrisound vibe.
Big difference - the Lewitt guys treated it like a science experiment with their laser pointers and Glenn approached it from a "where do these mics sound good, where does the drummer hit the snare" etc
Well, you better be exact when setting up room mics in stereo, otherwise you won't get a well-balanced stereo image 🤓
Hope you had fun with the video! 🤘
One hour to record drums reminded me of some of my early serious recordings where each band had a block of 4 hours to track at least 2 songs. Most got to record 3 and some even 4 songs. Time limitations can really boost your productiveness.
That's very true, sometimes the time pressure helps to get in the zone and focus on your work 😁
I prefer Mix A, despite what appears to be some phase issues with the overheads. It just had more punch, and the snare sounds amazing. I'm gonna take a wild guess that mix A is Glenn's.
Definitely phase issues happening
More like this Glen! Please and thankyou!
Mix A is Glenn’s mix. Glenn always goes drummer perspective so the rack tom is on the left side and the floor tom is on the right.
Mix A is louder and more compressed(i think), and i find the snare a few dbs too loud for my taste. Mix B is the opposite, and as others noted, a bit too safe. I would prefer something in between of the 2. That beeing said, i lean more towards mix A because it conveys more excitement.Regardless, that is a top video! Looking forward to the next one!🤘
To my ears, there is a pretty huge volume difference between mix A and B, with A being the loudest. It makes it a little more difficult to not fall for the "loud is better" thing, but having jumped back and forth while adjusting the volume I'd still say mix A sounds bigger and more hard hitting. That being said, both mixes done in an hour is pretty incredible.
A suits my ear for sure. More crisp, fat kick, beautiful snare and up in the mix. Both fantastic for an hour!
Mix A is the one to beat here. Everything is so clear and forward. Nice work!
I really want to send this video to my friend that said "these days, the room doesnt really matter anyway." *sigh*
Man, that Mix A is definitely a Glenn Fricker mix. Over-compressed cymbals and guitars, sponging in and out, way too many layers of harmonic enhancement... sounds a lot like "The Eagle Has Landed."
I don't dig the mixes, but mix a sounds better overall, so i would guess it is Glenn's. Mix A is a lot louder (and pumpier), bass also overpowers mix b a bit at times. Would have been easier to "judge" if both mixes were on the same level. Mix b's drums are kinda buried. But for just one hour to do everything this is pretty cool!
I agree, I think that with w tad more volume on B it might stand out differently
Mix A is Team Specter Sound. It has more top end sparkle on the overheads and a livelier kick drum.
On mix B you can hear the dampening of the kick by their "foam tunnel".
There are things I like about each mix. Mix B kick sounds more genre appropriate. Mix A has more high end, cymbals up. They're both a bit dark on the snare.
Mix A - The snare is definitely more "in my face", louder and out of the background
I really enjoyed the different methods of "science" or "what sounds best?" attitude in the video.
Glenn has legs!!!
It's like the first time I saw a muppet walk . 😁
What a great idea. Super interesting!!
Fun video!
A is my preference. A feels much more present, though still a bit mushy in the lower-midrange. B has nice separation in the overheads - maybe to a fault, but lacks punch in both the snare and kick. Cymbals don't cut enough in either mix, and I would have put the drums more forward overall in the mix for this demo.
Super cool video guys! Looks like an absolute blast!
There is something about the bass drum EQ that I like, in B although I feel like it is more in post. Other than the China being a little washy, everything else sounds there. Really nice... Wonder how much of that is the room mic mixed in. Dunno. Wonder if we'll get a video recounting the options Glenn chose for the speedy mix. What a fun challenge.
I’m going with Mix A as the SMG mix. The cymbal volume sounds a lot more like Glen’s mixes that Mix B.
Mix B is Lewitt’s mix; they kept the overhead volume low to try and ensure clarity of the close mics, but for the genre, the overheads sound a bit soft (to my ear).
I prefer Mix A. The drums just pop out of the mix a bit more and that snare tone is amazing. Really cuts through the band with the backbeat. Love it.
I would try to take the drums from mix B, and the cymbals from mix A, and see how that sounds together. Fun video!
I vote for "A" Bass Drum mix had much better definition. I do wish the snare had a bit more "crack" to it, but that's a personal preference. All in all, a great job Glen. From one dumb ass to another, LOL, thanks for delivering great vids!!!
i enjoy both for different reasons. the kick in mix B is more punchy and has more weight. mix A's snare is perfect though. more cymbal definition in mix A though. mix A feels like a finished product though, but if we took the kick sound from mix B and put it into mix A it would be *chef kiss*
Gotta go with A. Not sure if that's the mic they put outside of the room that I'm hearing or if that's synthetic reverb but it's really nice.
Mix A was fairly louder, which doesn't do the A/B much justice. Anyway, interesting exercise (that I actually do almost every weekend :D )
Mix A is 100% Glenn's Mix. Glenn gave the drums the right attention and impact they need in a metal context.
WOW Big drop switching from A to B. The team from SpectreSoundStudio did a Great Job . Only Pro can make that look Fun and EZ
I prefer Mix A because it’s brighter and more crisp. The guitar sounds solid. Mix B seems muffled and far. I’m pretty sure both team are great. An hour challenge for all this, is absolutely crazy (and fun to watch). Looking forward for part 2 😁😈🤘
Wow. this is great! Listened to both mixes several times.
Mix A sounds the loudest and most open to me. There is more top end, but there is a weird phase issue going on with the hi-hat / cymbals in the center? Sounds like they could've been panned more to one side. It sounds a little "harsh" to me.
Mix B is more subdued, but definitely cleaner. The spread on the drums is better and sounds a lot cleaner. I think it's just missing some high end sparkle to make it shine and this would easily be the winner.
I'm leaning more towards Mix A. Just barely though!!
Yep, I noticed the Hi Hat issue as well. For whatever reason I find the snare to not sit too well in both mixes. With half an hour more the tuning should have been a topic.
In Downtown Detroit at work watching this. All I gotta say is MIX A and a good old fashioned Rick Flair "Woo!"
A is definitely Glenn, but I really enjoyed the stereo imaging and the smoothness of the cymbals of the mix B
A for sure, it’s just a little bit on the higher freqs on the EQ, sounds a bit “hissy” but is overall more present and in my face. B sounds a bit dull and muted.
A mix the drums are very front and center and sound loud and filling. Mix B the guitars where more out front, but the Drums we were looking for were EQed way down and you could not make out the individual drum sounds as well as you could in A.
This video is supercool :) Mix A sounds more "like a record". This doesn't mean that mix B is bad, it just has a bit dull or lo-fi vibe (which not neccesarly a bad thing, some records were pruposedly made like this.) Mix B is like a Justice for All WITH BASS :D (actually with a lot of bass)
Gear used: Sennheiser HD800S/RME ADI-2 P FS R -Internet Opinion Only-
Adjusted for loudness difference, I preferred Mix B. "A" stylistically might be a better overall song fit. For me Mix A had some unpleasant stuff occurring with the upper bass/low mid transients along with the overly present cymbals. Both have something slightly odd going on with the cymbal attack & release in parts of the mix. Enjoyed the panning of the toms more in Mix B.
Anyway, time constraints; nice shootout.
Glenn is Mix A. Snappy snare gave you away. Good job guys. Love my Lewitt mics.
Mix A for the drum sound, Mix B for the song mix. Since it's specified as a drum mix competition, I believe that makes A the winner. A's drums just have a lot more clarity and life to them.
I prefer B. It's sounds tighter and more punchy than A. Curious to see who mix was which.
You can definitely hear how close the overheads were on mix A, that’s got to be Glenn’s. Overall it’s the more satisfying mix, but man that kick is clicky and the snare too even. Mix B was much more natural sounding, and the snare sounded way better, but those overheads need to come up in the mix for sure. A happy medium between the two mixes would be perfect, but if I had to pick one I’d probably go with A.
Mix A has a brightness that reminds you of Glenn almost immediately. It was also apparent Mix A had a regular kick drum while Mix B had that coffin sound in the bass, which I kinda liked even tho they called it a fail
I liked B a bit more, it was more raw, maybe less controlled, but first one sounded maybe a little overcompressed, and also the cymbals had some funky feeling to them. But hi-hats off for both teams, time limit was completely insane!
Two things.
First: I'm pretty sure Mix A is from Glenn's team.
Second: I think the drums on Mix A sounds the best.
But it's not the reason I think it's Glenn's doing.
I've listened to Glenn's work for a while, but a lot of his drum mixing he did recently. And Mix A sounds (at least to me), close to what I heard from him in his recent drum videos.
Anyways, great video!
Cheers from France! 🍻
Mix Aaaaaaaaa! Great drum sound. Thanks for the vid. Learned a lot
The bassdrum in the Glenn mix sounds fucking huge! We can heard it when he was mixing! Mix A , Glenn!
Strong preference for Mix A. Didn't listen on headphones, had some Neumann KH120 monitors in front of me instead, haha. Kick and snare punched through well, whereas they felt a bit buried in the other one. Mix B was less crispy and felt less defined overall, but an aggressive mastering chain might help it to sound as loud as the song feels like it wants to be. I err on the side of drums over guitars in my mix level preference though, so as always, YMMV!
Awesome video. Love the whole fun competition idea. 🙏
After a few listens I like mix a more, feels more open and natural. Mix b was my first choice on the first listen but it was darker after a few listens and I like to hear the cymbals more since there was a lot of it.
Need more of these challenges. This is fucking awesome. Mix A for sure.
Glenn, do you see that? We really need to do that again sometime! 😁
I'd like the symbols of MIX A thrown onto the drums of MIX B :) The rolls went from ear to ear!
Mix B was certainly quieter to me, especially on the bass drum but both were surprising decent for a one hour contest! I prefer Mix A because it does seem to pop more. Great job everyone!
Mix b was the best in my opinion the symbols could have been a bit louder, but mix a was definitely raw sounding and the drums were a bit loud. Though both were better than I could do in that time frame so kudos to both.
Mix A: the kick pokes out of the mix a little, I have a suspision this is team SMG's mix. Mix A also seems to have more "width"
Mix A is absolutely Gelnn's mix because the snare sounds like the intro from his videos that signature crack im familiar with and that reverb on the snare.
I like the energy in A's Drums, Theyve got body all over the place. the out of phase ness of the cymbals is painful though. I don't know if that was on the room mics, overheads or what, but there was a major issue with mic setup on A. i think my biggest problem with A's drums is that they are too loud. if they were turned down, the level of energy might work really well in the mix instead of dominating it. but for 1 hr of work from scratch it sounds about right. I can easily spend more than an hour just assigning inputs, gain staging, and checking phase. nevermind actually placing mics, routing cables, tracking and basic mixing. so well done. the energy on this track is great, and certainly something worth learning from.
B's drums are a bit more basic bitch, but they do sound better. I'd guess that simply bringing the drum levels up a bit would solve a good chunk of that lack of energy problem. But correcting the issues with these drums wouldn't take as long as correcting the issues with A's Drums. I think it's also worth mentioning that the guitars in B lack energy as well. while they sound great, they don't feel as aggressive or powerful as A's. that made mix B as a whole sound weaker. All that being said, i prefer mix B. It's a bit more refined, but wouldn't take much tweaking to brighten up into something pretty energetic. some low mids here and there, some hi mids here and there, an exciter here and there and it would be pretty damn decent. (I should also say, that i genuinely can't tell if B's cymbals are also super phasey, and i just can't tell becuase they're not loud enough in the mix).
I didn't listen on headphones. just my monitor setup i always mix on.
i agree
I like the part at 1:54 where the Lewitt guys are putting up a foam tunnel in front of the Kick drum. I must assume they have never seen your video on stop cupping the Mic LoL!!!!
There's more high end in A, I like that one over the other.
But I couldn't have done either of them in a day, let alone an hour!!
Well done guys, loved this episode!
Great to hear that you enjoyed this episode! Have you already watched part 2? What do you think about it? 😊
Mix A sounds like it made it to some mastering. Both very well done.
Mix A drums sound like they are cutting through the mix more.
Fantastic fun in the studio
Yeah..... got to go with mix A.. Thanks Glenn,you make great content
Glenn nailed the mix. No replacement for experience (I'm working on that)
Very cool video! It's hard to say what mix I'd put in the final mix... Like the kit sound (and reverbs) on mix A better, but the sound of the cymbals and hi-hat in B better... Both cool though
Love the Aux Cable ! Tone Bro !
6:52 My new go to insult when someone fucks something up lol
I definitely prefer A overall. They weren't afraid to hit the drums with a little more compression, and they EQ'd the shells for a good top end attack. I actually think the way the overheads were EQ'd on mix B sounded a bit more natural, but the overall level of them could've been brought up in that mix.
Very cool video! Always interesting to see more-or-less direct comparisons in how different people approach a mix.
I listened to this on my 5.1 system and Mix 1 made me feel like I was center stage. A bit unbalanced but a very live feel. I felt the kick needed tweaking, but overall the best IMHO.
Mix 2 was less sonically pleasing and had less use of stereo, but had a better kick sound and felt polished and with some more time might've outshone Mix 1 with some extra tweaking.
I only listened on my tv, but mix A blows mix B out of the water. A definitely the winner.
waaaait a minute, GLEN F knows what hes doing?! hahaha just kidding, love the channel man! We already know you kick ass in the studio
great vid!
Mix C. Lol. A is louder, more reverb. B sounds a bit dead. You all did an amazing job for the time frame!
Mix A for the win! Mix A was also most definitely Glenn and Alex. Great work guys with such limited time! Mix B was more on the safe side, but the lewitt mics still let through the tamber of the toms beautifully. :) Awesome idea you guys!
In short, I prefer Mix A. Great job on both teams' parts, cuz doing all that in an hour is amazing! 🤘🏻In more detail: without reading any comments, and after listening a few times, adjusting for volume level (mix A was overall louder than mix B, but one click of my keyboard volume matched them quite well), I lean towards mix A as "better" for my ears. The cymbals are more present and swirl around my head, and the snare and kick are clearer. I like the sound of the snare in mix B a little more, though.
Mix A gotta be Glenn's. Awesome video btw!
A is Glenn mix absolutely, beefy and punchy yet open up more than B. Good job both team
I'll choose Mix A purely because of that Snare. Mix B sounds much more natural as if I was in the room but also more muted than A. B would be great for a jazzy sound, but for metal definitely mix A
A's definitely Glenn's. It sounds louder but I bet you that's the room channels in the corridor (which he very much likes to do). That definitely adds to the overall sound and makes the drums sound bigger, which allows heavy compression. Clarity and air of Mix A are on point adding intelligibility to the mix (something B has a lot less of). And the low freqs of the Kick ...oh man that sounded so fat.
Mix A agressive and full, bangs like a real kit and is super alive in the mix. Mix B sounded sorta sterile, I think its ready for more volume, less agressive with sweet spots that make it sit in the mix better
I went back and forth a few times listening with my Kali LP6s and my Sennheiser HD 280 headphones. Besides the drums having different mixes, I found the overall mixes were different. I thought that Mix A's kick needed a bit more snap but Mix B's had too much. Mix A had louder cymbals and and overall better sound although I did like the snappy crack of Mix G's snare. I think mix A was Glenn's and also the winner!
Mix A is killer and dynamic. Maybe a bit too much compression on the kick, otherwise good. B sounded more leveled but not loud and expressive enough. Needed more attack. I'd drop the kick a bit on A or turn B up a bit in general, but I'd use either depending on the application. Both are really good for 60 minutes. Cheers!!!
Mix A sounds killer!!
Got a set of matched Lewitts mostly based on what I've seen Spectre demo/discuss - I only use one but if it dies I know I don't have to touch a knob and just swap em out to get right back to where I was.
Punches above its price point in that I've heard more expensive mics sound worse; disclaimer - not clear on all my mics yet, but tryna learn. I'll have to as I've been experimenting with ruggedized tube/strip mic designs and at some point I'll have to learn what it's actually supposed to output instead of just making the thing work.
I like parts of both. Mix A is a lot louder and the drums are more upfront. Mix B is a little darker, but the drums fit in the overall mix better. I prefer B.
Mix A because punch, dynamics and cutting through. Mix B sounds good but a bit overprocessed/compressed maybe? TBH something in between the two mixes would be awesome