@@doomnationalist I never said anything about BSD systems being "smiles and kisses". Just saying it might be a breath of fresh air after distro hopping in Linux.
@@nelxcixMac os just take some userland tools from FreeBSD, but it’s kernel and most other libraries and stuff are completely Apple and not related to BSD
I worked for an Erlang shop that was all FreeBSD. FreeBSD uses kqueue for IO multiplexing and is (or was at the time) much more efficient than anything Linux supported (epoll). It was kind of amazing that Erlang handled IO so well that the OS itself became the bottleneck!
I use FreeBSD for my internet servers. Better security. Smaller amount of servers out there running FreeBSD therefore hackers don't have as many tools to break into the server.
"Nobody uses it" someone should tell the BSD jails call regulars. Bhyve is also quite nice. While it's going to depend on your BSD, all of your complaints about "not being POSIX" is actually places that it's _following_ POSIX (and just not true). All of the niceties of VIM are not required by POSIX (although vim is available on at least FreeBSD) POSIX does not require a '-i' option on sed. (although the sed in FreeBSD does support it) mkdir _is_ required to support '-p', and does in FreeBSD, at least. Personally I like Illumos-based (the Solaris fork) systems better (if I don't need a desktop), but we have a good working relationship with our BSD friends.
Hmm. Checking the source repository, FreeBSD had 'mkdir -p' back in version 2.0.5, which was released in 1995. And I'm pretty sure it had the option before that. Just when was the last time you "checked out FreeBSD"?
Bhyve and VMM are pretty good options - but lately i've been using Incus and it gets the job done. For desktop applications linux is ahead but for researchers BSD fits the bill.
mkdir -p exists in the BSDs and so does sed -i, but the latter involves adding an extra - in there somewhere. Linux does not accomplish what i want, except for more headaches. So I will not run Linux unless a specific program I need requires Docker…and dayjob is an Ubuntu shop. But we have introduced FreeBSD boxes for a couple places because it does it better than Linux and is worth it. Heck, I’m about to turn my server to Solaris soon (SmartOS, exactly). IMO, in terms of features, I think Linux has been playing catchup with the BSDs and Solaris, it’s just that it has the hive mind to push it that way
@@NitroNilz I’ve really come to like Illumos. It should get more recognition. I should have called SmartOS Illumos from the start but sometimes I think people know the name Solaris before they know Illumos :)
FreeBSD 14.1 won't open x11 on my brand new GMKtek K8 with 780M graphics. rtw88 WiFi driver would associate on 14.1-release, but won't on 14.1-stable. I have NEVER had audio out of HDMI on my Intel i3,i7 systems. None of these issues appear with Mint or Neon.
It's working on FreeBSD 15-CURRENT with DRM-61-KMOD. On 14* there was a problem with the linux kmod drivers. As far as HDMI audio with i3, i5 and i7 intel, I dont know what to tell you, other than that I've never had an issue with HDMI (audio, intel, etc)
Linux routes sound from the audio driver to the video driver causing sound to come out of the HDMI cable. FreeBSD can't. This affects ALL i3, i5, i7, i9 systems. FreeBSD can't even support x11 on my GMKtec K8 with Radeon 780M graphics. Linux Mint does.
Your doing too much. There is nothing wrong with HDMI on FreeBSD. Your Radeon works with FBSD 15 as of February 2024. Stick with Linux. Your best bet. But please, stop spreading misinformation. 🙄
I just want a easy od that ain't gonna let companies like big tech and microsoft including mac looking at my sh** bad enough four letter agencies do. I use q4os linux I just not happy how linux became more like Microsoft or mac reporting or log keying yout data.
BSD = Berkeley Software Distribution
The chaos and tribalism of Linux is tiring though. BSD can be a really nice escape from all that.
Debian very stable !
@@DavidCohen-ux8tz
Not on my laptop. Debian 12 broke on my laptop after 10 months of use. Broke from a simple update.
If you think BSD is all smiles and kisses you haven't been in the community for long lol
@@doomnationalist
I never said anything about BSD systems being "smiles and kisses". Just saying it might be a breath of fresh air after distro hopping in Linux.
PlayStation operating system is a modified version of FreeBSD
So is nintendo !
So as Mac OS. Like what the guy on the video said.
תנדור על זה@@nelxcix
@@nelxcixMac os just take some userland tools from FreeBSD, but it’s kernel and most other libraries and stuff are completely Apple and not related to BSD
I worked for an Erlang shop that was all FreeBSD.
FreeBSD uses kqueue for IO multiplexing and is (or was at the time) much more efficient than anything Linux supported (epoll). It was kind of amazing that Erlang handled IO so well that the OS itself became the bottleneck!
Wow! That's crazy
you can tell he never tried any of the bsd's.
"Berkeley systems development" says it all lol
@@adammontgomery7980 hah, he douched it ...didn't even attempt to correct that one .
I use FreeBSD for my internet servers. Better security. Smaller amount of servers out there running FreeBSD therefore hackers don't have as many tools to break into the server.
"Nobody uses it" someone should tell the BSD jails call regulars. Bhyve is also quite nice.
While it's going to depend on your BSD, all of your complaints about "not being POSIX" is actually places that it's _following_ POSIX (and just not true).
All of the niceties of VIM are not required by POSIX (although vim is available on at least FreeBSD)
POSIX does not require a '-i' option on sed. (although the sed in FreeBSD does support it)
mkdir _is_ required to support '-p', and does in FreeBSD, at least.
Personally I like Illumos-based (the Solaris fork) systems better (if I don't need a desktop), but we have a good working relationship with our BSD friends.
Ooo another Illumos user. I’m still learning to migrate my FreeBSD server to SmartOS :)
Plan 9 has mkdir -p
Hmm. Checking the source repository, FreeBSD had 'mkdir -p' back in version 2.0.5, which was released in 1995.
And I'm pretty sure it had the option before that. Just when was the last time you "checked out FreeBSD"?
Linux is more usable as a desktop. It supports more hardware and web browsers plugins.
Bhyve and VMM are pretty good options - but lately i've been using Incus and it gets the job done. For desktop applications linux is ahead but for researchers BSD fits the bill.
Yes I too wish to return to 2013 levels of hardware support Linux had for my primary OS.
The xc project made containers work on freebsd, natively.
Ran BSD on all my dns and web servers back in 1999. Back then it just worked better than Linux.
Jails - "Nobody uses it" ... hmmm
Well researched video !
openbsd is the best bsd.
I really like pledge, unveil, and pf firewall on openbsd... Wish to have something like that on RHEL out of the box...
mkdir -p exists in the BSDs and so does sed -i, but the latter involves adding an extra - in there somewhere. Linux does not accomplish what i want, except for more headaches. So I will not run Linux unless a specific program I need requires Docker…and dayjob is an Ubuntu shop. But we have introduced FreeBSD boxes for a couple places because it does it better than Linux and is worth it. Heck, I’m about to turn my server to Solaris soon (SmartOS, exactly). IMO, in terms of features, I think Linux has been playing catchup with the BSDs and Solaris, it’s just that it has the hive mind to push it that way
Hooray for mentioning an illumos (forked from OpenSolaris) distribution! Even "better" than the BSDs from an enterprise perspective.
@@NitroNilz I’ve really come to like Illumos. It should get more recognition. I should have called SmartOS Illumos from the start but sometimes I think people know the name Solaris before they know Illumos :)
What was the name of the twitch streamer mentioned? I did not get the name.
"so much better"... ALLOW ME TO LAUGH MY ASS OFF 🤣🤣🤣
do people run docker on bsd ?
I stopped watching at Berkeley Systems Development😅
you need to adjust your sound levels, the audio is low and muffled
FreeBSD 14.1 won't open x11 on my brand new GMKtek K8 with 780M graphics. rtw88 WiFi driver would associate on 14.1-release, but won't on 14.1-stable. I have NEVER had audio out of HDMI on my Intel i3,i7 systems. None of these issues appear with Mint or Neon.
It's working on FreeBSD 15-CURRENT with DRM-61-KMOD. On 14* there was a problem with the linux kmod drivers. As far as HDMI audio with i3, i5 and i7 intel, I dont know what to tell you, other than that I've never had an issue with HDMI (audio, intel, etc)
you need to install the drivers manually
just a bunch of ignorant opinions
Linux routes sound from the audio driver to the video driver causing sound to come out of the HDMI cable. FreeBSD can't. This affects ALL i3, i5, i7, i9 systems. FreeBSD can't even support x11 on my GMKtec K8 with Radeon 780M graphics. Linux Mint does.
Your doing too much. There is nothing wrong with HDMI on FreeBSD. Your Radeon works with FBSD 15 as of February 2024. Stick with Linux. Your best bet. But please, stop spreading misinformation. 🙄
I just want a easy od that ain't gonna let companies like big tech and microsoft including mac looking at my sh** bad enough four letter agencies do. I use q4os linux I just not happy how linux became more like Microsoft or mac reporting or log keying yout data.