American Couple Reacts: London Underground VS New York City Subway! FIRST TIME REACTION! *IN DEPTH*
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- American Couple Reacts: London Underground VS New York City Subway! FIRST TIME REACTION! IN DEPTH This is a highly educational and informative episode on the 2 Giants when it comes to the Subway systems. New York City VS London Underground! Which one comes out as the winner? Will it be the USA or the UK? Both are iconic systems serving many, many people everyday. Each with flaws and each with incredible features. This in-depth look at both is fascinating and taught us a lot! Join us in learning more about each system and let us know your thoughts in the comments. Thank you SO much for watching! If you enjoy our content, please consider subscribing to our channel, it is the BEST way to support our channel and it's FREE! Also, please click the Like button. Thank you for your support! *More Links below...
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This is a highly educational and informative episode on the 2 Giants when it comes to the Subway systems. New York City VS London Underground! Which one comes out as the winner? Will it be the USA or the UK? Both are iconic systems serving many, many people everyday. Each with flaws and each with incredible features. This in-depth look at both is fascinating and taught us a lot! Join us in learning more about each system and let us know your thoughts in the comments. Thank you SO much for watching! If you enjoy our content, please consider subscribing to our channel, it is the BEST way to support our channel and it's FREE! Also, please click the Like button. Thank you for your support!
Even though the tube doesn't run 24 hours a day except weekends we have a night bus service that follows the same lines as the underground. All usable with your oyster card. Really informative, thanks ladies!!! Craig xxxx
If you want to learn more about London's underground and wider transport network, this channel, RMTransit, has plenty more great explainers on London that you should definitely check out.
Hi Natasha & Debbie,
When a Tube train reaches its destination, a cleaning party walks through the train.
The padding on the seats generally stays clean due to its construction (not always).
If the pad is soiled it can be removed.
Trains are removed from service if they are contaminated (vomit, pee, kebabs...)
Before they were 'walk through' occasionally a carriage was locked/taken out of service if they became 'too dirty', I suspect they just remove the whole train these days.
There is a system of cleaning for the insides of the carriages, outside I think they are cleaned every 2 or 3 days.
The system is old and was not designed for 24 hour running.
It needs to be closed for maintenance and cleaning.
Platform doors need the drivers to stop in exactly the same place every time, OK if the system is automated, but can and has caused issues, think its better now.
I think the 24 hour thing is covered by main line trains and night buses.
I think the coverage in South East London is a problem but is helped by main line trains, DLR and the tram, which can mostly be used with the same Oyster card system.
I'm not sure how express trains would help, I know its nice to be able to get places faster, but I'm not sure which places. In many cases journeys from outer zones to the centre can be taken by main line, which can be faster.
A major advantage of the system is, its difficult to take the wrong train and if you do its normally simple to just go back, not so simple if there is an express route?
Transport costs are generally to high in the England (probably the whole UK), its a political thing.
The Metro systems that made an impression on me was the Moscow and St. Petersburg ones, some of the stations built in Imperial times are like art galleries or Museums, stunningly beautiful.
Maybe an idea for the both of you to see how transportation (busses, trams, trains are cleaned) I know what dirt, yuck, and EEEW is. My uncle has worked in the cleaning part of the casinos in las Vegas. And I heard some EEEW stories.But I have seen also some very friendly and helping people who are cleaning up peoples dirt.
As an ex-Londoner I can say pigeons on the underground are a common thing. I remember once using a train and a pigeon walked on and just stood by the door quite patiently and stood there for THREE stations then at the fourth station it just calmly walked off the train onto the platform. To this day I swear that pigeon knew exactly where it wanted to go.
Also as an ex-Londoner, i've seen exactly the same thing happen.
@@veroniquewolff8963 Pigeons have a great knowledge of where they are & want to be guys.
hahahhaaahahaaa 😆👍brilliant!!! pigeons are smart 😉
I was riding the L in Chicago with my dad and was waiting for a train, when a pigeon came walking through the turnstile. It could have flown through it but I think it wanted to pay it’s fare.
Pigeons remind me of Harry Radknapp
"Underground overground, Wombling free, the Wonbles of Wimbledon Common are we." If you are British, you will know I haven't just lost my mind!
I won first prize in the carnival back in the day dressed as madam cholet😂 loved them.
I wish I still had my Wombles LPs! Wombling Merry Christmas is one of my all time favourite Christmas songs. 😁
Thanks.
I’m singing it now!!
Great Uncle Bulgaria Coburg 😅
I loved the Wombles as well they helped me get through serious childhood illnesses, I still think it's a great show because of Bernard Cribben's narration
The Oyster card may be used on the Tube, buses, Dockland Light Rail, trams, London Overground, most of the Elizabeth line, the cross-Thames cable car, and the Thames River Clipper services. I would also add that building very wide tunnels (such as to accommodate express lines alongside regular services) is much more challenging in a city 2000 yrs old than in one 300 yrs old.
Thames Clipper and all river services are woefully ignored.
I feel that he failed to mention that the London Underground is the oldest in the world (the Metropolitan line was opened in 1863) and travels under most of the very historic parts of the city so it isn’t that easy to just put a new line in plus a lot of the tube lines are at different depths so an express line would be virtually impossible
I have never found it difficult to navigate the tube The underground map is an iconic piece of design and each station has its own guide just before you enter the platform so you know exactly which direction to travel. Some interconnected stations can be a bit daunting but considering how old and deep some lines are that’s not surprising
Re the signs on the trains they all have maps of the line you are on so you know exactly where to get off plus each station have massive signs on the walls so it’s not rocket science (and who cares about advertising anyway). There are also signs on the platforms telling you when the next trains are due and where they go to
I do agree about the aircon in summer it can be terrible I only worked in london for a few weeks and had to travel from Holborn station to Bank station on the Northern Line which I believe is the deepest line and felt the need to take a bath each time I got home because I felt so dirty
I remember that dirty feeling when I was a kid but it has improved a lot in recent years. I agree that it can get very hot down in some tunnels in the summer though.
I worked in London in 1979 as the IRA took up where the Luftwaffe left off. Holborn to Bank was a journey into terror - which was what was intended. On at least two occasions, not related to travel, I and my companions heard massive, sorry MASSIVE, explosions. Neither was reported on radio, tv or in the press. Go figure.
Yep and Boston got started on subways before NY
I was in the New York subway a few years ago, I literally thought I was in a horror movie .... the London one is like a royal carriage in comparison!
NY subway - grey metal tin can, no padded seats, gloomy low lighting. Maybe it's easier to hose them down at the end of the day. It amazed me to learn how close the subway is to the road level. In some places you can actually hear the rumble of the trains. This video is a bit out of date.
So agree, the subway in New York is very bleak and dark
He's very fixated on "Wayfinding" which I've never found to be a problem on the Tube, you don't need digital overload to work out where you are going, I also think he failed on the fact that London has an integrated system with TFL that not only covers the Tube but also Overground Rail, Elizabeth Line, DLR and of course the bus network, these also integrate with all the mainline rail stations in London all of which kind of negates cross city express lines underground, Heathrow has an underground direct link but Gatwick and Stanstead can be reached easily from the Tube network on to surface rail from London stations as well and London City Airport is on the DLR which links with the Tube.
The Tube is indeed pretty good for getting about. Particularly "northbound", "southbound" and so forth.
On the Paris metro they refer only to the terminal station which, unless you're a local, one has no idea so you have to study each route map in detail to see which one you want to head for. Useless.
Pidgeon's are famous here in London for riding on the underground, mainly on the surface lines. And no they do not pay, they just WING it lol
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I’ve used both the tube and the subway. The main difference I found is that in London you can use any station entrance and when you get down to train level there are left and right platforms yards apart with which stations each line services clearly marked. In New York you have different stations for each direction so you have to know in advance in which direction you’re going. Make a mistake and it’s incredibly difficult to get out of the station to find the correct one. For me london wins hands down but then I’m British!!
Yes!!! This the one thing i despise bout nyc subway. London underground for the win
A NYC Subway fare is not even a fare, quite frankly. It's more of an admission fee to a Subway platform.
There is a television series called "Secrets of the London Underground" It covers the history of the Underground and how stations have closed and sometimes bypassed.
This is also available on YT
1st class program, very informative even to me a former Londoner
Jago Hazzard on YT is a must.
I found the London trains and stations generally cleaner, even the cloth seats. At night when they are closed is when the rails are repaired and cleaned, the stations are cleaned too.Many of the tunnels are very old and cannot be made bigger to take bigger trains but in rush hour they come every couple of minutes, I did feel much safer generally in London as the lighting on the stations is better. Having said that the American system also has it's good points.
They also clean the tunnels! They have to periodically go through with a blower train to dislodge dust, hair. The amount of long hair that gets blown down the tunnels is surprising, and they have to clear it up to remove the fire risk!
The people who used to manually clean the hair and dust in the tunnels were known as 'fluffers'.
@@aaarrrggghhhh, are there no manual cleaners any longer?
The seat covers are made from a material called Moquette, a hard wearing, easy clean surface like carpet. Worked on the S stock as they were coming into service and still believe they are the best subsurface fleet out there.
Pigeons on the Underground - yes. I used to live out at Ealing and the station is above ground and pigeons would hop on the train to peck up crumbs from the carriage floors (or get fed by tourists grabbing a sandwich). They were so used to the trains they'd ride one or two stops before hopping off, presumably to either get a train back to Ealing Broadway or to fly back. And no, they didn't pay, they knew the ticket inspectors seldom worked that section.
they do leave a deposit!!
😅😅 I have seen those crafty fare dodger before now too! Esp on the MetLine
@@airspeed_alive Well, Ealing Broadway is often where the cleaners go through the District Line trains... I did wonder if the pigeons were part of the cleaning crew
@@ianprince1698 I don't think the deposit they leave is legal currency
@@terryloveuk 😅😅 TFL cutbacks!
There's a few things you need to remember with London.
Firstly, the division between "Underground" and "Overground" or other train services is mostly a political decision rather than anything that makes any actual practical difference to someone using the service. You can use all of them with the same Oyster card. They are just painted different colours.
For example, the Waterloo and City Line used to be "overground" as part of the then Network South East, even though it is completely underground.
The East London Line and Northern City Line used to be "underground" and are now "overground" and "train" respectively.
The outer branches of the Central Line were previously trains as part of the Great Western and Great Eastern railways, and moved across to the Underground in the 1940s.
Between Richmond and just before Acton, you have Underground and Overground trains running on the same track and using the same platforms.
There are several points on the network where Overground trains cross underneath the Underground trains.
Where you have express lines running parallel with underground lines, they tend to be train services rather than express underground. The main exceptions are the Metropolitan Line, and the Piccadilly Line. But the Metropolitan Line does function more like a train service than a typical underground service. What happened was that when they were doing the regrouping of all the rail services in the 1930s, the politicians at the time decide to group the Metropolitan Railway with London Transport rather than LNER, but its sister company The Great Central Railway (now Chiltern Railway) which runs on may of the same alignments, was grouped with LNER.
So for those reasons, you have to consider London's transport network as a whole rather than just focus on those specific lines that a civil servant has decided should be funded out of the Underground budget.
What he didn't mention when saying about destination signs that there is an announcer telling you where the train is heading what stops are on the route and what the next stop is. This is repeated alot during the journey. Seats are very clean...
I worked for London Underground Limited for 5 years around the early 90s. The last trains that ran each night through the central zone were at around 1:30am to 2am. If there were any delays, then those trains would still run because once London Underground sell you a ticket, they have effectively entered into a contract with you to get you to that destination. If any of the connecting trains at any of the stations the train passed through were late, that connection still had to be made, meaning trains would be held. It was not unheard of for the last train to possibly leave just before 3am from those central stations, meaning it may arrive at the outer, end stations where the depots were one hour later. The first trains would arrive the next day at a little after 5am, having left the outer end stations an hour earlier. Yes, just after 4am. But here's where The Tube was so different to the US. During those brief hours when the trains were not running, maintenance work was carried out across the network. Most astoundingly, humans *walked* every single foot of the tracks during that downtime to check for safety issues. Every inch of track, every single night.
Additionally, during those very brief hours of closure, cleaners with long-handled scrapers and various cleaning chemicals would remove every single piece of gum from every platform, corridor, staircase, etc. The logistics of everything from minor daily cleaning and safety checking to serious engineering works via the special engineering trains (trains that are self-powered and don't need the whole track to be electrified) is simply astonishing.
So, while having a 24 hours service may _seem_ really cool, just think for a moment of what *has* to be sacrificed to make it even remotely possible. You pay heavily for those few extra hours of service in both safety standards, and hygiene.
It's unfair to say London is not expanding its network just because it isn't expanding actual "Underground" lines. The other services such as the Elizabeth Line have made a massive difference. If it's all on one fare system, which it is, and it's easy to transfer between services, which it is, then users don't care what colour the train is. The Elizabeth Line is not, strictly speaking, a Tube but it's definitely a hugely useful service.
Also there are a couple of tube expansions in the planning stage although moving very slowly giving TFL's finances. There's the bakerloo line extension and the Camden Town rebuild that'll enable the Northern like to finally be split back into 2 lines.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_line_extension_to_Battersea
@@etherealbolweevil6268 That's already completed
The London Overground was probably the biggest expansion, a lot of the tube expansion was put on hold due to lack of funds but things like the Docklands Light Railway to Thamesmead finally look certain as the developers over there are paying most of the costs.
@@DavidRobinson1978 DLR to thamesmead is a bit of a disappointing compromise, the overground extension from Barking Riverside to Abbey Wood would have been so much better. One is a short DLR extension to a suburb, the other a part of a new orbital rail route and cross river connection. Especially if they combine the new west London Orbital line with the Gospel Oak to Barking line as was originally planned.
I completely understand that this video focuses just (well mostly) on the underground/subway systems. But as he mentioned, the underground forms just one part of Londons overall public transport system. When you take public transport as a whole in to consideration, I’d say London wins convincingly.
The Elizabeth line may not be officially a tube line, but effectively it is. It’s central portion is underground it is connected to tube stations i.e easy transfer between the lines, and it is shown on the tube maps. For anyone using London Underground, it makes little difference that it’s not officially designated a tube line.
I had no idea it wasn’t a tube line ! Love it though.
The central section of the Elizabeth line is the first railway tunnel under London to use overhead wires for electrification (rather than electrified track) and be big enough to fit full-size / mainline-size trains under the city.
It's not a 12th line of the London Underground, which remains as 11 lines - the 4 oldest "subsurface" lines with bigger, squarer (but not full-size / main-line size) passages and trains, and the 7 later "deep-level tube" lines with smaller, literal tube tunnels and trains.
Have you not heard the song by "The Wombles" which has the line Underground, Overground, Womberling free? 🤣 Also though he doesn't include it as part of the Underground, The Dockland Light Railway is part of the integrated London Transport system. Although this video is about the Underground System, it is worth pointing out that London has an extensive and well regarded Bus System which is part of the London Integrated Transport System.
hahahhahhaaaa the wombles hah 😆
@@ajayjackson7727 A major Grunge Band (or was it Grudge) 🤣
About London being more expensive, That may be true regarding single journey prices, but with the oyster card there's a daily cap on how much you're charged. There's also a weekly cap, which further reduces your total travel costs. Specially if you travel a lot.
Also, the oyster card can be used on all TFL services. This includes the tube, overground rail, busses, trams, river busses, and DLR.
Once you reach the daily cap, you pay nothing more for the rest of the day, no matter how much more you use the tfl services. If you choose to only use the busses, the daily and weekly caps are even lower.
I have used the London underground occasionally. The first time I was nervous and wondered how on earth I would find my way around but I'm used to it now. I have found the staff extremely helpful and most of the staff can tell you off the top of their heads which line to take and where to change. I asked one friendly staff member once if they were required to memorise the entire underground system she just laughed.
thats the black cab drivers ( cabs are mostly black but they are other colours.)
The 24 hour thing is not available every night in London but night buses replace them for the three or four hours when the underground trains are being thoroughly cleaned and repairs making. The Oyster card is valid on buses, tube and overground trains across Greater London. I can't imagine where this guy thinks more lines could be added in London centre of why it should be taken further outside London.
The Jubilee line was not a great addition for me, but as I was either getting to work in the City, financial area of to the theatre/shopping/museums that were already really well served, maybe I am not a good judge. As to the deep stations, I'm disabled (MS) and never had a problem as they have elevators down to platform level.
lol, loving the 'never forget' t-shirt...those were the days, floppy disks, VHS tapes and music on cassette
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I don't know about the NY Subway, but the London Underground goes a long way out into the suburbs in places, so an unpadded seat would be really uncomfortable after an hour or more. Yes, you can interchange between systems using the same card. On the subject of through-services, London has Thameslink a national rail franchise which runs from Surrey and Kent in the south and south-east through London to Bedfordshire in the north.
Add Sussex and Cambridgeshire to that list of counties served by Thameslink. These days they go as far north as Peterborough and Cambridge, and as far south as Horsham and Brighton.
I travel into town from Amersham in zone 9 every day, so I spend up to 3 hours a day on S stock trains. Without the padded seats, it would be unbearable.
With you on that one, I used to travel almost the length of the District line on a regular basis, a rattly old journey to say the least.
I’m very biased on this one! I’m from London and spent much of my childhood using the tube. When those train doors open, and you get a gust of warm air that smells like steel from the tracks, it smells like home ❤️
Yes! Exactly this!! I lived in London until a few years ago and when I went back to visit last summer that precise thing happened and suddenly it was like the years in between just evaporated. So much of traveling on the underground does that, like that blast of air from the tunnel before a train enters the station or even just the names of the stations where the trains terminate like Cockfosters, Stanmore, Ealing Broadway - places I never went to but heard mentioned everyday, it felt like you knew them!
The problem with the 'wayfinding' on London Underground is that a lot of the rolling stock is fairly old so didn't/doesn't have the electronic signs inside, you just have to be aware of where you are and check for the station names as you come in, all stops (as far as I'm aware) are announced on the trains as they approach a station. I spent a fair bit of time on the Tube but I still plan it in my head (which line, where to change if needed,). As soon as you realise how useful the Circle line is ( clockwise and anti-clockwise around the majority of central London) then it makes any journey quite simple.
Good point - having digital screens displaying stations is helpful (as the UK rail networks do), though not for the blind or poorly sighted - audio announcements not only announce stops but can provide updates on lines, closures, emergencies…
Last time I went on the London Underground each coach had a number of posters inside showing a map of the line. Provided you know what stop you're at or what the next stop is, you can easily work out what stops are between where the train is and the stop that you want
When I hear the word 'Subway' I think of the old subways we used to have in UK. Nothing to do with trains, it was a walkway that went under a busy road (the opposite of a brdge). There would usually be a small shop built into a wall that sold newspapers, magazines, sweets and cigarettes.
I think they were considered unsafe at night, so they were filled in and replaced by traffic lights and pelican crossings.
Except for the Glasgow subway, which is a local underground rail system in the UK.
The turnstile complaint was a bit picky, but the gates are far superior in my opinion. If you’re carrying a wheelie suitcase or heavy suitcase with you, you can just drag it through the gate with you. In a turnstile you’d have to lift it over! Great video as always!
Gates also come in a wider format as well which makes it a lot easier for families with small kids or pushchairs or people with lots of bags. Especially when the more helpful staff members override the locking machinisimun that keeps the gate open until they re-engage it.
I hate turnstiles. They make me feel I'm being treated as cattle.
I don’t visit London very often as I live too far away, but when I do, I always travel by train to London and then use the tube to get around. I once met up with friends in London for a long planned day out, but I developed a migraine while I was there. Without my medication my vision and cognitive function are impaired, not good when you’re unfamiliar with the system. I still managed to find my way alone back to the train station using just the underground signs and maps, a journey which meant I had to change tube lines twice en route. So I’d say it’s pretty easy to navigate your way around London using the tube.
When I was about 12, my older sister told me that it is impossible to get lost on the tube, and I'm inclined to agree.
I've regularly used the Underground for more than 30 years and I've also used the New York Subway quite a bit too. The Subway is much cheaper than the Underground, but is initially more difficult to navigate until you get your head around how it works, then it is fine. On my last visit last summer the Subway was filthy almost everywhere I went, the worst I've ever known it to be. Also the Underground is just overall more aesthetically pleasing. So in my experience the Underground is much cleaner and I always feel a lot safer, but the Subway is cheaper and gets me where I want to go so I'm happy to use it.
Natasha wasn’t totally wrong in thinking the ‘Underground’ was a rock club. It’s called the ‘Underworld’ and it’s directly opposite Camden Town tube station. I go there several times a year and I’ve been lucky enough to perform there several times. This was a fun one, I didn’t know anything about the New York subway other than films.
The Elizabeth Line covers 3 sections of London.
The Elizabeth Line is on the London Tube maps, but according to the TFL (Transport for London), because it uses the National Rail network, and the trains are much bigger.
About 55% of Londons Underground is above ground.
there are late night Tube services, just not that many. The thing is that London is mainly a place people go to work or for visitors travel during the day, there is a lot less call for people to be travelling the Tube at night than in New York. 2am in London is probably a LOT less active than New York
The fabric on the seats on the underground is called "moquette" and is more like a carpet fabric than anything you would expect to find on a cushion. It's generally vacuumed daily and then gets a proper clean once every two or three weeks with carpet shampoo and the like.
Glasgow has a tiny underground system known as "The Clockwork Orange." Consisting of a dual loop - clockwise and anti - its coaches and trains are notoriously under powered, hence "clockwork," but also painted, you guessed it, orange. I have often wondered which came first, Anthony Burgess' novel or the Weegie Metro. Still no clue.
In the Glasgow Corporation days, there were only island platforms, so the carriages were elaborately painted (not orange) on the only side that you could see, and evidently red-leaded or similar on the side which you couldn’t.
Another great show , lots of information about both Systems that l didn’t know, both could take things from the other to improve. Been on The Tube but only seen the subway in films . I will be rewatching this again and l also will be listening to the jam going Underground today that’s for sure . Love that l always learn stuff along with you lovely ladies ( Debbie’s hair did need fingers running through it , it was extra beautiful today )
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Found this video interesting , but living up north never used the tube , my daughter used to work on cleaning trains on nights they steam clean seats and floors , toilets but had huge back packs which contain vacs like ghost busters lol ❤
I live at the end of two tube lines in Uxbridge, west London. The reason we have the smaller trains is the smaller tunnels, this creates constraints on rolling stock with Uxbridge hosting both types. The problem of the smaller trains is still to be solved. The lack of south London tube stations is because of the soil type which does not support tunneling well relying instead on overground trains. As for wayfinding, many experienced tube travellers use one of the many underground phone apps, they provide a mass of extra info and maps and help find the nearest station above ground when your wandering, i never use the under ground for less tha three stops near the center as walking between stations is often so interesting.
There are extensive night buses in London. Not as frequent but the traffic requirements are also significantly reduced.
In central London, the Elizabeth line is effectively operating as a brand new tube line.
I have been on both. I found the tube easier to travel around. Better information. You are right I don’t think that there is much space to add more lines. In general the station are kept clean. This has a lot to do with preventing to much rubbish build up, which can be a fire risk. Which was one of the reasons for the King’s Cross fire tragedy when many people lost their lives. Yes Pigeons get a free ride.
Next May,I enter my 8th decade as a Londoner and the longest I ever waited for a London Tune Train is 9 minutes.
It has been a fantastic service.
As I understand it, the London underground originally came about as a way of connecting various different rail stations, as London (deliberately) doesn't have one central station. Of course what London and NYC both lack is the cool entrances that Paris has.
He mentions the tickets on the London tube is more expensive, but now I'm 60, I have an Oyster card that allows me to travel on the tube (and London buses and rail) for free. Is there an equivalent to that in New York?
I have not tried the New York subway, but compared to European Metro systems in Germany and Czech Republic, the Underground has evolved over many decades and they are very good at getting "tube maps" The cover design changes each month, great for collectors! The problem is that you need a magnifying glass to be able to read them!
The London Overground is really the re-Branding of existing routes that were previously Network Rail ( the UK National Rail system). Overground is part of TfL, uses the same zones as the Underground. All Overground trains have the same colour scheme.
In the Greater London area the suburban services of National Rail use the Underground zones, though the ticket prices are particular to the company tuning the service.
The Underground, Overground, National Rail suburban services, trams and buses all accept: Oyster Cards, & contactless debit/credit cards. Paper tickets can be bought for underground overground & suburban services.
Having ridden many “tubes” around the world, there are good and bad with each. As a visitor, the metro was the most modern, Penn street to JFK was amazing, Toronto was more overland than underground, New York was tired and noisy, London is my favorite despite it’s issues
you can use the oyster in all transport service in London
Little late to the party here but as a Londoner I just want to say that on Sunday to Thursday the underground system gets cleaned through the night when it's not running, in which time the seats will be shampooed. The seats always look clean. And, we don't need to rely on the underground at night because we have a very comprehensive night bus network.
True story. When I lived in London, three pigeons patiently waited for the train to arrive, hopped on and all hopped off one stop later to be greeted by 4 other pigeons.
I was on the London underground on both Wednesday and friday..It is an excellent service,helpful.staff,
The overground was created as part of a restructuring of rail transport ahead of the 2012 Olympics. They separated a lot of old above level Underground stations and linked them into a new higher speed service with faster trains than the Tube, this is why the NYC Subway is now listed as having a hundred or so more stations, before the restructuring the networks were similar in scale. It's also why it's not a fair comparison to compare NYC's express services because London has a selection of higher speed services external to the Tube. The other thing not mentioned is the level of integration in London, both between the tube lines but also the external rail services and extensive bus services.
Fun fact: The reason the Tube is mostly north of the river is because back in the mid 19th century the north was already fully developed making land expensive so they went underground to save money. South of the river had no shortage of land so it was cheaper to build above ground so the regional rail services covered that area and largely still do to this day.
Long time listener, first time caller. Did you know Jerry ( former mayor of Cincinnati ) Springer was born in the London underground during the blitz of world war 2.
Hi Natasha and Debbie! When you think that London as a built up area goes back almost 2,000yrs and has been closely populated since around 1,000yrs ago, the city is restricted before anything modern is built! Try looking at a cross-section of all those tube lines and other tunnels: New York is a much younger city and noy built layer upon layer of previous settlements. That said, it was a very interesting video!
The overground line and the Elizabeth line are the newest and more updated trains on the network.
Good to see your subscribers are growing! Keep up the good work!
Although the London Underground is not running 24hrs a day throughout the week, there is an extensive network of night buses which do run throughout the night so people can still get home at night.
Thank you both, learned a lot on this one as have never seen New York Subway, other than in films. But been on the Underground a lot and have never had a bad experience with it. The only challenge was once the train had to stop between stations and it got a little hot with no air con. But when the train is moving it was fine. Also the gust of wind you get on the platform when the train is coming in is a good indicator to get ready :-)
Brilliant video guys 👍👍👍 I remember when i was a kid and the movie Saturday Night Fever was on the tv and one clip shows John Travolta sitting on the subway in the early hours of the morning and i remember my dad saying that in New York the underground trains run through the night and i remember thinking that was brilliant because in the 80s most buses and trains stopped around midnight and most of them still do in Scotland. I love all the unusual names of the underground stations in London such as Elephant and Castle, Angel and Swiss Cottage etc and the thing with the London underground they give you free little tube maps that show all the connections and there's always plenty staff around when you get off the train to help. The comments about the pigeons using the underground in the comments are brilliant 🚇🐦🐦🐦🐦👍
The reason for the lack of tube lines in South London is because of the difference in the soil that stops further development of underground tube lines.
Loved it, very fair. I can’t remember if you’ve seen Jay Foreman’s videos on the Underground
We have not
@@TheNatashaDebbieShow definitely recommend those
@@TheNatashaDebbieShow Jay Foreman and Geoff Marshall are both good London transport video producers. Geoff once held the world record for visiting all tube stations in the fastest time, and has also done a video series visiting every railway station in Britain a few years back (over 3000 stations!). Jay also does the "map men" series which is very informative
17:58 The platform edge doors are only on the Jubilee line from Westminster to North Greenwich and the Elizabeth line from Paddington to Whitechapel on the designated Elizabeth line platforms.
Great video ❤ I’ve been on both but of course use the underground a lot to go to work. I’ve used the jubilee line many times and for me the noise is not bad! The overground covers some suburban railways in the Greater London area, other mainline railway companies (Southern, South Eastern etc) also run services. London also has a vast night bus network which runs 24 hours a day. You can use oyster or contactless on debit or credit cards.
The overground has been developed in recent years using existing tracks from previous services including the north London line and east London line. It is both orbital and has other lines to end destinations.. I lived in London most of my Life before moving to Barcelona and i am always impressed at the amount of options you have in London wether It be tube, train, tram or bus etc.
In 35 years of using the London Underground I’ve never found a seat to be gross or messy.
I'm from Lincolnshire and went to London for the first time over the weekend and had a blast. Went to two live music events and visited a selection of tourists destinations including Buckingham Palace and the London Eye. We used the underground allot and its ease of use just tapping your card as you enter and leave is brilliant but... you aren't told how much you were charged until later. Anyways I loved my time there and will most definitely visit London again.
I’m pleased they touched on accessibility. I am a wheelchair user and I actually avoid the Tube when going into London, due to how inaccessible most of the stations are.
Very interesting video as usual you always learn something new 🇬🇧
The headroom is lacking on the tube trains? 😂 Cant say I’ve noticed. It’s not really a problem when you’re just 4ft 7’!
Well spotted with the pigeon!
The Elizabeth line isn't a tube line, but for the core section it may as well be, it is super fast to cross town now. NYC Express trains are great, but you need parallel tracks to overtake the local trains, you'd need to bore so many new tunnels in London to achieve that the costs would be astronomical.
London is limited by finance, space, and safety issues. There are old tunnels not utilised, we even had a mail delivery system in the tube but that was discontinued in the 70’s/80’s. There is a lot of tunnel connections on the tube which makes you feel you travel a lot to cover short distances. The tube gets very unpleasant at peak commuter times, can be noisy and dirty, but also a great way to travel.
As an American I can assure you it is much much cleaner than the NYC subway!
Overground is basically an outer ring rail, from former surface railway lines.
(IE former commuter/freight lines +1ex tube line)
The underground routes are mainly radial routes IE in/out from central London.
The overground allows you to go around London without having to go thru the city core around Westminster and the city. IE a ring rail about 4 to 10 miles from the central point. The overground does have branches what go further out upto about 15 miles out.
The overground is basically 4 routes north, east, south, and west that circle the core, some interlining.
With a 5th big hemisphere line going from Thames to Thames around the northern side of London about 10 miles from the central point. This covers about 60% of the circle of London at this circumference.
Cool vid! The train dynamic maps on NYC subway is very cool!
Trains generally run between 5am and 12.30am from Sunday to Thursday and throughout the night on Fridays and Saturdays. So it's not to bad Plus the many night buses help.
The possible reason for lack of an express train is because from zone 6 in the east of the edgeland to the respective zone 6 in the west will probably only take an hour and a half, so an express train would have to miss too many stations to be worth while.
I will add that in Central London, the Elizabeth line (marked in purple on the TFL map) runs almost parallel to the Central line (marked in red on the map) however the Elizabeth line does not stop at as many stations as the Central line. When leaving Bond Street station, the Elizabeth line skips Oxford Circus, Holborn, Chancery Lane, St Paul's and Bank stations, before the two lines rejoin again at Liverpool Street station.
I'm a Londoner, although I live in Japan and found this really interesting as I was mentally making comparisons between Tokyo too. Interestingly, it's true that you don't see many rats in London but you will see lots of 'tube mice' on the tracks. They were so common that in 1988 there was a children's TV animation, called Tube Mice about 4 mice who lived at Oxford Circus Station and travel around on the trains having adventures. Pigeons often hop on the trains and seem to know where they want to get off but nobody has thought to make an animation about them, yet!
London has alot of main line terminals around the city as well which can get you out to suburbs and beyond.
I felt more nervous in NY but I think that was partly because it was so grubby. I was used to London so didn't think about it but I got totally lost in the Paris Metro!
Last 20 seconds had me laughing so hard Natasha...my mini dashund jumped up and gave me a crazy look...and no. I've never heard of the over ground as well..
London's tube network is very old next to the "subway" and because of that retrofitting improvements are both costly and inconvenient to the travelling public. Space above and below London is very crowded with other services, building basements, piles etc. (London is built on clay and it can flood too) so there are limits to expansion. Others have pointed out that the "underground" is only a small part of the integrated transport system available in the capital. When I lived there I had a choice of two rail options, underground and British Rail (they cover the whole nation) within walking distance of my house and over a dozen different bus routes, also within walking range, to take me anywhere within about 45 to 50 miles away probably further if I checked. So for our very densely packed city we were not badly served.
At Fenchurch Street you can get the C2C which is an express train, going to Shoeburyness. I used it to get to Barking in about 15 minutes, with only 2 stops en route
Most of the London Underground is single track in each direction, so there is no way for an express service to overtake a slower stopping service
When my uncle used to live in a London suburb, we used to go on the overground system daily. Sometimes a few times a day.
His point on sound is spot on. Just to put it into perspective on some tube lines they offer the train drivers ear defenders because it's that loud!
We really need platform screen doors in the Subway. Fairly recently the past few years there’s climbing cases of people getting pushed onto the tracks, so this would be a good PR move to do to assure people of its safety.
It's not just accidents of people being accidentally or otherwise pushed onto the tracks, but some are intentionally ending their life like this. It must be horrific for the drivers and emergency services that attend, so any way to reduce this occurrence is welcome.
Platform screen doors are only usable if all stock on all lines that call at a station are the same size and have their doors in the exact same places
I’ve never been on the New York subway so I can’t really compare but the last time I used the London Underground it wasn’t really that expensive. From Westminster station and changing to the DLR to London city airport only cost me £3. I will agree with him about the noise though, at one point it was so loud it rattled my eardrums.
Yikes!!
Top tip someone once told me for boarding the tube. Stand in front of one of the ( usually) tiled station names on the platform and the door will stop right in front of you. Try it it’s true!! The drivers line up the doors with the signage.
Been on tube( countess times) MTR in Hong Kong, Stockholms’ Tunnelbanna and the Moscow subway ( beautiful) but never been to New York.
Interesting video again. Thankyou
We would all love to visit the New York underground I bet it's an amazing place just like New York city. It's the one place like to visit. I think when you to come to London you can lend really compare the London underground for yourselves. ❤️
I found this video fascinating as I’m completely inexperienced when it comes to subways and underground rail. I think I’d find them a bit overwhelming 😳 They both looked pretty awesome to me 😉❤️
Surely you meant under-whelming. 😱
Certainly not.
@@Heather.C-kiwi-ninja I was joking, as in under-ground
I've used both systems, although I travelled on the New York Subway in the mid 1980s, so unfair to make a fair comparison now. I remember London's Tube then, and it's so much cleaner and better now.
As the video mentioned (and other comments) there are other modes of transport that connect with the Tube, and you can use your Oyster card as part of the easy integrated travel experience.
I've just got back from a long weekend in Sweden and the Metro system in Stockholm is clean, safe and a joy to use.
TfL includes Underground, Overground,DLR and buses and trams. DLR (Docklands Light Railway) is awesome with it's driverless trains. Check it out sometime.
There was a recent program on Smithsonian about expanding the tube system. Going under a performing arts center they actually put shock absorbers under the tracks to deaden sound or vibration that might interfere with the music above. I find the colour coding in London quite easy to navigate and I just like it historically, some of the older stations are cool. The Moscow underground (wouldn't advise going there at present) is a work of art.
That's the new Elizabeth Line
The reason why the deep level tube lines make a high pitched screeching sound when going along the tracks is because the wheels on some of the newer stock were measured in different units compared to the track, this leaves a couple millimeters where the wheels scrape against the side of the rails, making the sound. It can be quite unpleasant but it's kind of iconic at this point
Fun Fact As You Mentioned in terms of expansion, London does not have the Room, in terms of SQ Miles London covers a considerably larger area than New York.
The Staff that clean the tunnels are called Fluffers they work at early hours when it's shut down,as for extensions the Elzabeth line became operational this year it runs between Reading (Berkshire ) in the west & Abbey Wood (Essex) North of the Thames & Shenfield(Kent) South East of the River, & the Northern line has just been extended to Battersea.
You might find some videos on the Isle of Wight railway interesting. Located just off the South coast of England, it uses retired London Underground stock that has been refurbished and given a new lease of life.
Don't know if I'm joined or not. But love your chanel. Will try again tomorrow 😅❤❤❤
In all of the decades of travelled on the tube, I never remember seeing a dirty seat and I would hated to have to seat on plastic seats, as would most Londoners. I understand not liking germs, but if you think about it, all that touches the seats is mostly clothes, so what's to get dirty?
This guy really tried to keep a façade of neutrality whilst being a big NYC subway apologist. No idea how hes arrived at a 3-4 final score.