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Hello Broughy. I'm a big fan of what you do on this channel and great work on the Open Wheel testing however I believe there's one aspect that still needs to be tested. Please add as an update to this video a test to see whether or not downforce has any effect on tire wear. It is my belief that higher down forces create more or faster tire wear
@@lanedegener8 No it doesn't. Stop commenting this on other comments as you're misleading people. The footage you see in this video proving that it doesn't work is from PS4. Downforce is a thing, is on multiple cars in the game, and works fine. Changing setups to change the amount of downforce on these cars does not work as soon as you get to a race lobby.
even if softs make very little difference, I'm still going to have to pit stop every other lap because of XxX_IlIIIllII_XxX using my car instead of his brakes to slow down in the corners!
Yeah getting to the first corner in 1st place irl F1 means they're much more likely to win, but in GTA Open Wheel races it means you'll likely be missing your rear spoiler before you exit the corner & the chances of you winning is slim 🤦♂️
Add repair damage costs, problem solved. Everyone will be more careful. They'd just have to put some work into a system that is capable of identifying who is at fault.
It's usually safer to let all the tryhards go in front for the first lap, then just dodge all the wreckage as you breeze back into first place half way through lap 2.
not too sure why you'd expect gta players, one of the most inbred and toxic kiddie communities in gaming, to uphold racing standards that often fail in serious racing games and simulators because even those have inept pricks that can't drive
Rockstar: Makes Arena War races so when you drive the wrong way you cant ram your oponents. Also Rockstar: Adds F1 racing but dont add this feature. LOL
This might be the most complex testing since there are so many variables that can affect the car's performance. Even the smallest change can affect the car significantly. Good stuff tho, very well detailed testing.
Dude, finally someone did a proper test with the F1 Cars, the other youtubers ( most of them are just crap). Well done, you compleatly deserve it and hope you get way more Subscribers! Keep on the awesome work you are the best GTA youtuber according to Race Vids/Facts and Tests.
The tyres also deplete faster when you spin them which can cause issues when you spin out or when people hit you... Making it so you can't make it until the end of the race without hitting the pits. This also means that if your not a perfectly clean racer, your tires won't last as long.
I was fully expecting to finish a race in the tyres I was using but numerous incidents in the race meant they went with half a lap to go so obviously it's not just distance.
I'm both glad and disappointed that setup doesn't affect the cars in races. Glad because you can customise the car however you want and there won't be any detriment. Disappointed because setups would be very interesting for racing. Finding the absolute best setups for certain tracks, best all-rounders, and finding your personal preference.
13:30 I think R*'s intention is vice versa. Downforce will always be default values in free roam. But in races, the downforces will vary by different setups. I think it would be really cool if players can change the front and rear spoilers in open wheel races without spending extra money so that players can keep their favourite customisations in free roam. While choosing the best setups for different situations in open wheel races.
I think you got a bit wrong from that video here it's the other way around the setup worked on freeroam but once you start the open wheel race the downforce will revert back to default one
@@kratosgow342 Yeah, if you haven't already, read Ivan's original comment again. He's not saying that it's like that, he's saying that that could be what R* wanted it to be but swapped them accidentally.
@@Username-or9nr that's not the setups, rockstar is wierd and some players' cars go faster than others. My friend and I did drag races with jester classics with the same upgrades, and mine won by like 3 seconds.
perfectly simple but effective testing mehtods, anyone else would have over complicated this kinda stuff. im laughing so hard though, classic rockstar to finally make a more uniqie car setup system thats not even used during races
Hahaha the effort someone's gone to to change all those values per part ... only to have some moron forget to uncheck the "default downforce" box on the only mode you need it. Classic Rockstar. You couldn't write it. Only, by this point, we could.
it sounds stupid at first but if setups work in races we would have to buy multiple F1 with diferent setups for every race. Imagine you have to buy 5 F1 to be competitive in every situation.
@@xJOJOx31 or, now stay with me here. OR you have the ONE car with a middle of the road quick setup that is average on all types of tracks, but racing communities that setup events on specific tracks are able to put the time and testing into preparing for that track. or you be an absolute madman and go to the extreme on one end and absolutely dominate all the other average joes with average setups when you get the right tracks. or yeah if you are rich you fill up one of your twenty 10car garages with open wheelers of varying setups. seriously is there anyone in the game who actually USES all of the garage slots we have access to now? or yeah i guess go "but muh balance" and say they should all be the same in the ONE class with TWO cars out of the what 14-15 other classes where all the other 464 vehicless dont have any of that depth, because its not accessible to normies.
i like that you only need to pit for a few seconds to fix the wings and top the tyres up slightly, if you just need to make the tyres last a few laps more
Thank you so much broughy, I'm 50 in the world on some tracks and I got in my head about different spoilers and front wings. Stressing, that made me slower. Now I can just get gud. Thanks mate and I'll see ya next time!
Good god, that must have taken hours to get all the information and make all the different tests. Thank you so much for all the effort you put into your videos.
I heard a lot of these different aspects of the cars through speculation, so it was very nice to have watched the entire video for solid evidence and conclusions! I'm greatly shocked by how the custom wings don't affect the cars in the races. I almost think I got the 'placebo effect' by that, because I pretty much assumed that I would do way better in races because I had a certain front/rear wing combo that was making me super good at the open wheel races. Now I kinda feel dumb thinking that...but either way, I hope this videos gets shared a lot and is made aware to majority of the community!
Amazing testing, so many variables! I bet Brough enjoyed understanding the complexity of F1 cars put into GTA of all games after all this time. This vid deserves views, likes, and the channel deserves many more subscribers! Great work Broughy, as always!
The problem with allowing custom downforce setups in a race lobby, is that R* has not yet given us the ability to change the setup pre-race for each track. Currently you would have to quit back out to free-roam after each race just to update your setup before starting another circuit with different demands.
What I'm hoping for is a new setup screen only for open-wheel racing where you can customize the car directly before the race starts. That would be perfect. Of course, you could only apply parts that you have bought. But it is Rockstar, so whether they'll actually do something like this is a coin toss.
Those 18 “dislikes” I see here (so far) , I wonder what issues they would have with this very professional style, easy to understand, very detailed video. Any true racer on GTA would fully appreciate this tutorial, especially knowing, that how much time it must have gone into it.I guess some people are just never happy. This video was simply amazing Broughy 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
He did 1 small error by saying that 121mph is the fastest top speed but forgot about R88 having option which removes the front wing so it's little bit faster but I liked the video anyway.
My hypothesis is that these cars will have the exact same lap times if they both have the same downforce values so when you do your offical testing, please inlcude the setup you are using. And it would be nice if you include the lap times for both cars with the stock setups, the lowest downforce setups, the highest downforce setups, and whatever setup you found was able to get you quickest around the track. I know that is a lot of testing to do but it would give us a good conclusion on how these cars fair against eachother.
This video is a work of art. Wow. Great work, man fingers crossed it's a bug and they fix it so that wings actually matter in races. That would make for such interesting races
The problem with having downforce carry over to a race is that rockstar can never win everybody over. If individual setups carry over, the hardcore racers will wet themselves once they can build custom tracks. Vettel fans can build a car he wont spin in, and people will most certainly have multiple cars with differing setups. On the other side of the coin, that makes the entry barrier to F1-style racing even higher than normal (ironically reflecting the situation with actual F1). On top of refining driver skill, you gotta be a good constructor as well, AND have the $$$ to afford it all, lest you end up like Russel and Williams. Will see what Rockstar's final decision is here. In the meantime thanks to you and Gaffa for providing actual number values for the different wing parts for us car nerds to play with.
I think this is one of the best videos you’ve made. Slick, Professional and very detailed. We know how much work went it as we seen on twitch was surprised though they were not quicker round the test track but I suppose it could be different when you actually can get a proper lap time. Also GG for giving credit to other for their research to
Another super job my man! That's why I tune in to watch all of your videos! I hope that u didn't mind me replying to someone about the down force. Told him that I have only tested in free mode, so take what I said with a pinch of salt and a grain of sand. And that my driving skills are nowhere near the level of yours. Keep up the great work! :-)
The real question is whether or not certain wings are less likely to come off, because honestly, that's all that matters if you're gonna be racing in public lobbies.
...And to find out how fast it is, we handed it over to our tame racing driver. Some say, his testes have a small gravitational field, and that he can catch fish with his tongue. All we know is, he's called The Stig!!
Great video, thanks for the mentions. Some slight other testing I did had the results of hard tyres having a slightly higher top speed than soft tyres - when tyre wear was controlled and couldn't wear further so the tests were like-for-like. It's pretty weird, but I guess Rockstar will iron some things out as they go along.
That's some pretty extensive preliminary testing, Mr Broughy. Thank you! And to Mr Rockstar: please remember to fix your game in addition to pandering to your TakeTwo overlords.
I am pretty sure that using KERS right out of a corner also has an effect on the tyre wear. With the races that I have done so far hard usually can't carry me through a ten laps and those laps are more often than not around or below the one minute mark. The testing method around 12:30 seems a bit iffy to me. At the start of the clips the low downforce car is further behind and catches up to the other one right at the turn in point. At that point both cars have presumably reached their top speed with around 8 mph difference to each other. So the low df car takes a wider line partially due to its higher speed. Also the line you take as target favours a tighter turning radius because it doesn't go through the centre point of turns the cars are doing. You see the first car hitting the line at an angle of maybe 30° where the second one hits at almost 90°, meaning it turned way further. Actually when the high df car hits the line the low df car was just about done doing a 180° turn. One issue I have with the downforce setups though is that the game doesn't tell you that this is a thing. If I didn't know I'd likely set up my car to look nice and that'd be it. Still, I appreciate the effort, there is a lot of good information in this video. It obviously isn't easy to come up with new testing methods, especially when you can't use the creator to help with it.
Some very in-depth F1 testing there indeed, with a lot of useful information provided overall 👍👏 Will look forward to seeing more in future when Rockstar adds the Open Wheel to the Creator and effectively 'unlocks' it for some even more beneficial testing, though here's to hoping they fix/correct that issue with the front/rear downforce actually making a difference in the actual Open Wheel Races, given that surely must've been a mere oversight and not intentional D:
This is way more detail than I ever expected r* to put in gta online, but sad that the rally update couldn't get anything near this. :/ Instead we got some pretty good looking rally car lookalikes but they grip dirt like its asphalt and cant accelerate during slides which is like the whole point of awd rally.
Damaging the car also effects tire wear. I was doing a race with randoms (worst experience of my life ngl) to check out what the open wheel series was like, and my tires were gone in a 6 minute race, presumably because everyone was just driving into eachother. I suspect the tires wear more quickly when driving without a wing?
When you can’t wait for broughly to come out with an f1 video so you buy 5 F1 cars to make Ferrari, Mclaren, Benetton, Lotus, and Williams all with different setups for specific tracks only to find out wings don’t effect handling in the races.
Okay so question. So the R88 has that option for "No Wing" as the front wing and the races default you back to stock settings right? So like how would the damage on that work since you can't lose a front wing if you don't have one? Or would it default the back wing to stock however you keep no downforce on the front? Or have I missed something here?
This is a little old and I can test it next time I race but I'm fairly sure if you lose your "front bumper", "nose" whatever, or the piece that connects all the other wings to the car, that would determine if you lose the downforce effect. I'll test and recomment though.
Brilliant video with great info. I was surprised you didn't pick a new track and do some comparison testing, until it was revealed that aero setup makes no difference in a race... Wtf.
thank you for confirming my theory on the wings. i kinda figures that this attributed to mass having a significant effect with other cars but this video confirmed it
I'll still be driving the Kreiger freemode. Racing mechanics will never be perfect in this game but that's not why I have over a year in game. This is GTA.
Great testing as always! So in depth! 😀👍 Only thing I'd like to mention is that when you lose your floor, you also lose downforce from that. Don't know for the main shell or smaller nose piece. These cars have so much downforce you can actually drive them upside down in the Braddock Pass tunnel if you get it right! 😄
It's pretty easy to manage a car that has lost it's wings, you just have to be a little slower through corners, and make sure you're not turning too hard or on the throttle when turning. It's good enough to get back to the pits and repair without losing too much time.
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Hello Broughy. I'm a big fan of what you do on this channel and great work on the Open Wheel testing however I believe there's one aspect that still needs to be tested. Please add as an update to this video a test to see whether or not downforce has any effect on tire wear. It is my belief that higher down forces create more or faster tire wear
I am pretty sure the downforce works on ps4 to at least to keep on car on the ground in the races
@@lanedegener8 No it doesn't. Stop commenting this on other comments as you're misleading people. The footage you see in this video proving that it doesn't work is from PS4. Downforce is a thing, is on multiple cars in the game, and works fine. Changing setups to change the amount of downforce on these cars does not work as soon as you get to a race lobby.
can we just appreciate the fact that broughy drove in a circle for almost half an hour to get these results lol
Devotion!
@@joshuathomas512 revolution technically
work smarter, not harder
enter the turn and flip on the makro to w and d, then review the footage with ff
🤔........😉👌
DarkIzo he’s using a controller
even if softs make very little difference, I'm still going to have to pit stop every other lap because of XxX_IlIIIllII_XxX using my car instead of his brakes to slow down in the corners!
Yeah that's annoying
Yeah getting to the first corner in 1st place irl F1 means they're much more likely to win, but in GTA Open Wheel races it means you'll likely be missing your rear spoiler before you exit the corner & the chances of you winning is slim 🤦♂️
Add repair damage costs, problem solved. Everyone will be more careful. They'd just have to put some work into a system that is capable of identifying who is at fault.
It's usually safer to let all the tryhards go in front for the first lap, then just dodge all the wreckage as you breeze back into first place half way through lap 2.
not too sure why you'd expect gta players, one of the most inbred and toxic kiddie communities in gaming, to uphold racing standards that often fail in serious racing games and simulators because even those have inept pricks that can't drive
Rockstar: *makes a cool new level of customization for racing*
Also rockstar: *doesn't allow it in a race*
:(
more like >:( to be honest
I really hope this is a bug and this will be fixed soon.
@@Hitoraya they only fix bugs that help people get in-game money lol
Aldo Zarate they will allow it a few weeks later, they always do with new race types
Rockstar: Makes Arena War races so when you drive the wrong way you cant ram your oponents.
Also Rockstar: Adds F1 racing but dont add this feature.
LOL
This might be the most complex testing since there are so many variables that can affect the car's performance. Even the smallest change can affect the car significantly. Good stuff tho, very well detailed testing.
Dude, finally someone did a proper test with the F1 Cars, the other youtubers ( most of them are just crap). Well done, you compleatly deserve it and hope you get way more Subscribers! Keep on the awesome work you are the best GTA youtuber according to Race Vids/Facts and Tests.
The tyres also deplete faster when you spin them which can cause issues when you spin out or when people hit you... Making it so you can't make it until the end of the race without hitting the pits. This also means that if your not a perfectly clean racer, your tires won't last as long.
I was fully expecting to finish a race in the tyres I was using but numerous incidents in the race meant they went with half a lap to go so obviously it's not just distance.
I'm both glad and disappointed that setup doesn't affect the cars in races.
Glad because you can customise the car however you want and there won't be any detriment.
Disappointed because setups would be very interesting for racing. Finding the absolute best setups for certain tracks, best all-rounders, and finding your personal preference.
@@TimLake It would be great if they let you save different set ups for races
Tim Lake just but multiple, but I get what you mean
Broughy lays down another Master Class Video
Indeed he does
He's the Gordan Ramsey of racing
As he does
Wow, so the Vagner and Krieger really do live up to being street legal F1 cars in GTA lore.
10:51 - Ooh, nice spirograph.
13:30 I think R*'s intention is vice versa. Downforce will always be default values in free roam. But in races, the downforces will vary by different setups. I think it would be really cool if players can change the front and rear spoilers in open wheel races without spending extra money so that players can keep their favourite customisations in free roam. While choosing the best setups for different situations in open wheel races.
Ivan L maybe they could do it like arena war where you can purchase the parts in the car select lobby
DAYASHII Yes that's what I meant
I think you got a bit wrong from that video here it's the other way around the setup worked on freeroam but once you start the open wheel race the downforce will revert back to default one
kratosgow342 It's never too late to do an eyes check lol
@@kratosgow342 Yeah, if you haven't already, read Ivan's original comment again. He's not saying that it's like that, he's saying that that could be what R* wanted it to be but swapped them accidentally.
Thank you again for the effort, Brough
15:04 is just so funny to me.
Incredible stuff Brough! Thank you.
The fact that the setups doesnt affect races is disappointing
They do at least on the ps4
In console they do
No they don’t. This testing was done on console
That’s odd because my friend and I were racing and used the same tires and car and he was able to go faster without boost
@@Username-or9nr that's not the setups, rockstar is wierd and some players' cars go faster than others. My friend and I did drag races with jester classics with the same upgrades, and mine won by like 3 seconds.
perfectly simple but effective testing mehtods, anyone else would have over complicated this kinda stuff. im laughing so hard though, classic rockstar to finally make a more uniqie car setup system thats not even used during races
aSmallDot froot shush
@@collinghood6828 im sure darkviper doesn't approve attacking him.
@@collinghood6828 that doesn't mean you need to harass Baron. I'm sure dviper wouldn't want that either.
@@collinghood6828 flaming is gay.
Don't do it.
@@collinghood6828 the main issue isn't content it characteristic
Finally somebody dives deep enough into tests, its breathtaking!!
Hahaha the effort someone's gone to to change all those values per part ... only to have some moron forget to uncheck the "default downforce" box on the only mode you need it. Classic Rockstar. You couldn't write it. Only, by this point, we could.
it sounds stupid at first but if setups work in races we would have to buy multiple F1 with diferent setups for every race. Imagine you have to buy 5 F1 to be competitive in every situation.
@@xJOJOx31 good point, but the way I see it is if you dont want to race with custom cars, turn off custom cars
@@xJOJOx31 or, now stay with me here. OR you have the ONE car with a middle of the road quick setup that is average on all types of tracks, but racing communities that setup events on specific tracks are able to put the time and testing into preparing for that track.
or you be an absolute madman and go to the extreme on one end and absolutely dominate all the other average joes with average setups when you get the right tracks.
or yeah if you are rich you fill up one of your twenty 10car garages with open wheelers of varying setups. seriously is there anyone in the game who actually USES all of the garage slots we have access to now?
or yeah i guess go "but muh balance" and say they should all be the same in the ONE class with TWO cars out of the what 14-15 other classes where all the other 464 vehicless dont have any of that depth, because its not accessible to normies.
@@foxboy64 i use all the garage slots and im not the only one
@@xJOJOx31 which only die-hard f1 fans do... my friend bought 13 or so F1 cars, each having a real-life counterpart...
i like that you only need to pit for a few seconds to fix the wings and top the tyres up slightly, if you just need to make the tyres last a few laps more
Thank you so much broughy, I'm 50 in the world on some tracks and I got in my head about different spoilers and front wings. Stressing, that made me slower. Now I can just get gud. Thanks mate and I'll see ya next time!
been looking forward to this. absolutely brilliant thorough and dedicated work!
Thank you for your hard work on this as always, Brough. Really appreciate the amount of work you put into testing.
Good god, that must have taken hours to get all the information and make all the different tests.
Thank you so much for all the effort you put into your videos.
I heard a lot of these different aspects of the cars through speculation, so it was very nice to have watched the entire video for solid evidence and conclusions! I'm greatly shocked by how the custom wings don't affect the cars in the races. I almost think I got the 'placebo effect' by that, because I pretty much assumed that I would do way better in races because I had a certain front/rear wing combo that was making me super good at the open wheel races. Now I kinda feel dumb thinking that...but either way, I hope this videos gets shared a lot and is made aware to majority of the community!
Amazing testing, so many variables! I bet Brough enjoyed understanding the complexity of F1 cars put into GTA of all games after all this time. This vid deserves views, likes, and the channel deserves many more subscribers! Great work Broughy, as always!
Vintage Broughy, truly. This is the investigative communicative genius I subscribed to.
You REALLY deserve more recognition! This is way more than thorough!
Also worth noting that they have a higher top speed when driving on the wooden surface at the side of a track piece :)
The problem with allowing custom downforce setups in a race lobby, is that R* has not yet given us the ability to change the setup pre-race for each track. Currently you would have to quit back out to free-roam after each race just to update your setup before starting another circuit with different demands.
maybe it is a scheme to make us racers buy like 4-5 PR4s for each track and each setup.
@@FalbereChan and a showroom to add some extra garage spots for multi million cars
What an absolute bruh moment. Rockstar added these mechanics but didn't use them in a race. Hope that this is a bug so it gets fixed soon.
Or maybe it's a feature for a future update...
Even if it's a bug they won't fix it because Rockstar.
What I'm hoping for is a new setup screen only for open-wheel racing where you can customize the car directly before the race starts. That would be perfect. Of course, you could only apply parts that you have bought. But it is Rockstar, so whether they'll actually do something like this is a coin toss.
Really good video, shame about the downforce in open wheel races though
Can we all just appreciate the amount of time this man took to test these vehicles to get results to show us viewers in a 17 minute video.
Props to you Brough, to get all this info out only a week after the cars released is quite something, massive GGs
I was wondering why stock cars were performing the same as custom cars in racing. This answers all my questions.
Great video as always Broughy.
Broughy1322
, the benchmark of GTA cars never fails. Well done!
Now I want to see you race these cars!
Those 18 “dislikes” I see here (so far) , I wonder what issues they would have with this very professional style, easy to understand, very detailed video. Any true racer on GTA would fully appreciate this tutorial, especially knowing, that how much time it must have gone into it.I guess some people are just never happy. This video was simply amazing Broughy 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
He did 1 small error by saying that 121mph is the fastest top speed but forgot about R88 having option which removes the front wing so it's little bit faster but I liked the video anyway.
You took the words right outta my mouth! :-)
My hypothesis is that these cars will have the exact same lap times if they both have the same downforce values so when you do your offical testing, please inlcude the setup you are using. And it would be nice if you include the lap times for both cars with the stock setups, the lowest downforce setups, the highest downforce setups, and whatever setup you found was able to get you quickest around the track. I know that is a lot of testing to do but it would give us a good conclusion on how these cars fair against eachother.
This video is a work of art. Wow.
Great work, man
fingers crossed it's a bug and they fix it so that wings actually matter in races. That would make for such interesting races
The problem with having downforce carry over to a race is that rockstar can never win everybody over.
If individual setups carry over, the hardcore racers will wet themselves once they can build custom tracks. Vettel fans can build a car he wont spin in, and people will most certainly have multiple cars with differing setups.
On the other side of the coin, that makes the entry barrier to F1-style racing even higher than normal (ironically reflecting the situation with actual F1). On top of refining driver skill, you gotta be a good constructor as well, AND have the $$$ to afford it all, lest you end up like Russel and Williams.
Will see what Rockstar's final decision is here. In the meantime thanks to you and Gaffa for providing actual number values for the different wing parts for us car nerds to play with.
I think this is one of the best videos you’ve made. Slick, Professional and very detailed. We know how much work went it as we seen on twitch was surprised though they were not quicker round the test track but I suppose it could be different when you actually can get a proper lap time. Also GG for giving credit to other for their research to
Broughy you r a blessing für the racers. No bullshit, just straight up facts. Thx
Amazing work man, this is why I come exclusively to you for info on cars in GTA
Thank you for the help man, i appreciate the time you spent doing these tests👍
You can tell how much you've enjoyed this. I think the video proves it. It's a great video.
One of your best fact finding vids to date. Amazing as always broughy
This shows how acceleration based your track is. I feel like itd be many seconds faster than supers on a true grip track
Valid information, clear comparisons and covering all aspects once again a great video!
Thank you Broughy! You're the best for sharing all your work! I appreciate your page.
Thank you appreciate all the hard work and research for my free benefit. It doesn’t go unnoticed. Love and respect.
Another super job my man! That's why I tune in to watch all of your videos! I hope that u didn't mind me replying to someone about the down force. Told him that I have only tested in free mode, so take what I said with a pinch of salt and a grain of sand. And that my driving skills are nowhere near the level of yours. Keep up the great work! :-)
The real question is whether or not certain wings are less likely to come off, because honestly, that's all that matters if you're gonna be racing in public lobbies.
Holy shit broughy, thanks for the testing. Not only did you have to test it you drove it from another part of the map just to use ur testing layout
...And to find out how fast it is, we handed it over to our tame racing driver. Some say, his testes have a small gravitational field, and that he can catch fish with his tongue. All we know is, he's called The Stig!!
Thanks for the video. The waiting was worth it. Great job Broughy, as always! See you on the tracks..
Excellent Work as always
Watching the solid white line in the tire wear testing was almost therapeutic 😂
Incredible work, Brough.
oh boy time to revisit this! does look like we're getting open wheel track editor and two new open wheel cars.
yep he's already planning to update his testing and do it properly
Great job, Broughy, keep it up
You're an amazing person ;) The only person anyone would ever need for anything GTA Online racing!
Great video, thanks for the mentions.
Some slight other testing I did had the results of hard tyres having a slightly higher top speed than soft tyres - when tyre wear was controlled and couldn't wear further so the tests were like-for-like.
It's pretty weird, but I guess Rockstar will iron some things out as they go along.
Been waiting for this. Thanks brough
Once again another fully comprehensive masterpiece 😁 that's why I only come here for gta car info keep up the great work Broughy
Fantastic and Thorough Testing as usual!
Thanks for this bro... I wish I would've known this earlier this week... I spent so much money on different wing set-up for the races lol
I was waiting for this video for so long! thankyou Broughy!!
That's some pretty extensive preliminary testing, Mr Broughy. Thank you!
And to Mr Rockstar: please remember to fix your game in addition to pandering to your TakeTwo overlords.
Cheers as always Broughy for the imformation. :)
Thanks for this, you do such great work that helps a lot of people
That overtake at the end!
and after all this, you had to go and test the Stryder, you poor thing.
Haven't even bothered yet. It can wait.
@@broughy1322 From what I've heard and seen most people say its not that good.
@@SoraFan23 i brought it its the worst thing to drive on the game
Broughy1322 will it be challenging the Shotaro? I haven’t been able to to get on today
@@repothenon2706 not even a little bit
Nice one Broughy. Thanks for putting the work in to test these. Useful info.
A great review on the Formula cars. Learn'd alot, thanks Broughy!
Thank you Brough, great work as always!
Love your channel Broughy, you are No.1. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😃😃😃😃👍
Great work on testing as always
I am pretty sure that using KERS right out of a corner also has an effect on the tyre wear. With the races that I have done so far hard usually can't carry me through a ten laps and those laps are more often than not around or below the one minute mark.
The testing method around 12:30 seems a bit iffy to me. At the start of the clips the low downforce car is further behind and catches up to the other one right at the turn in point. At that point both cars have presumably reached their top speed with around 8 mph difference to each other. So the low df car takes a wider line partially due to its higher speed.
Also the line you take as target favours a tighter turning radius because it doesn't go through the centre point of turns the cars are doing. You see the first car hitting the line at an angle of maybe 30° where the second one hits at almost 90°, meaning it turned way further. Actually when the high df car hits the line the low df car was just about done doing a 180° turn.
One issue I have with the downforce setups though is that the game doesn't tell you that this is a thing. If I didn't know I'd likely set up my car to look nice and that'd be it.
Still, I appreciate the effort, there is a lot of good information in this video. It obviously isn't easy to come up with new testing methods, especially when you can't use the creator to help with it.
thank you for this very in-depth testing!
Some very in-depth F1 testing there indeed, with a lot of useful information provided overall 👍👏
Will look forward to seeing more in future when Rockstar adds the Open Wheel to the Creator and effectively 'unlocks' it for some even more beneficial testing, though here's to hoping they fix/correct that issue with the front/rear downforce actually making a difference in the actual Open Wheel Races, given that surely must've been a mere oversight and not intentional D:
Splendid job there brotendo, have some ranch!
I don't think I'm so sure about the tire wear part.
When I hit a hairpin at about 30% compared to near 100% I could tell the difference.
Same, I just feel the difference at about 50% in mid- and low-speed corners where I actually have to take an other racing line
True
I was sure I felt it too but if I had to bet if broughy or me was right even I wouldn't take that bet ;)
@@davidmurphy8821 i think the problem with his test is that he is already turning while the tires lose grip.
I usually don't dare to question broughy's results, but I have to agree here. I'm almost certain there is a difference during races.
This is way more detail than I ever expected r* to put in gta online, but sad that the rally update couldn't get anything near this. :/ Instead we got some pretty good looking rally car lookalikes but they grip dirt like its asphalt and cant accelerate during slides which is like the whole point of awd rally.
Damaging the car also effects tire wear. I was doing a race with randoms (worst experience of my life ngl) to check out what the open wheel series was like, and my tires were gone in a 6 minute race, presumably because everyone was just driving into eachother. I suspect the tires wear more quickly when driving without a wing?
Thorough and well done as always.👍👏👏👏
That Benetton-like livery on the pr4 looks excellent
Thank you :D
you can do both Senna's Lotus paints, the JPS black, and Camel orange and blue, and obviously the Marlboro McLaren, as well as an almost Williams
Thank you for the review. Fasinating
When you can’t wait for broughly to come out with an f1 video so you buy 5 F1 cars to make Ferrari, Mclaren, Benetton, Lotus, and Williams all with different setups for specific tracks only to find out wings don’t effect handling in the races.
FINALLY!!! Thank you very much Broughy :)
Okay so question. So the R88 has that option for "No Wing" as the front wing and the races default you back to stock settings right? So like how would the damage on that work since you can't lose a front wing if you don't have one? Or would it default the back wing to stock however you keep no downforce on the front? Or have I missed something here?
reported.
This is a little old and I can test it next time I race but I'm fairly sure if you lose your "front bumper", "nose" whatever, or the piece that connects all the other wings to the car, that would determine if you lose the downforce effect. I'll test and recomment though.
If you wheelspin, the tires will consume faster, they are also affected by offroading during races
Absolute beast Brough. Thanks =)
Brilliant video with great info. I was surprised you didn't pick a new track and do some comparison testing, until it was revealed that aero setup makes no difference in a race... Wtf.
thank you for confirming my theory on the wings. i kinda figures that this attributed to mass having a significant effect with other cars but this video confirmed it
Now we just need this kind of video for the new open wheel cars
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DiNmiTe i seen that
Thank you so much, I’ve been waiting for a video like this. And if you’re reading this, don’t run into each other at open wheel races ya hags
Great work again, thank you very much
XD i wanna find the rankle that said the kreiger can beat these things around the track he owes me 50$
I remember you and that dude, actually. I remember specifically telling him he had no idea what he was talking about.
@@DarkVoxis i want my money from em >:)
Go back to that vid and heckle him ;)
@@acethehuskyhusky2758 " fuck him, fuck you, I want my money Jimmy! "
Be careful what you demand....
I'll still be driving the Kreiger freemode. Racing mechanics will never be perfect in this game but that's not why I have over a year in game. This is GTA.
Great testing as always! So in depth! 😀👍
Only thing I'd like to mention is that when you lose your floor, you also lose downforce from that. Don't know for the main shell or smaller nose piece.
These cars have so much downforce you can actually drive them upside down in the Braddock Pass tunnel if you get it right! 😄
Great video. Thank you broughy ♥️
It's pretty easy to manage a car that has lost it's wings, you just have to be a little slower through corners, and make sure you're not turning too hard or on the throttle when turning. It's good enough to get back to the pits and repair without losing too much time.