Tank Killing Tractor, the ZIS-30 | Cursed by Design
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War Thunder is a highly detailed vehicle combat game containing over 2000 playable tanks, aircrafts and ships spanning over 100 years of development. Immerse yourself completely in dynamic battles with an unparalleled combination of realism and approachability.
Today we start our journey through the variety of early Soviet tank destroyers with a vehicle some of you may know, the ZIS-30. Mounting the powerful 57mm ZIS-2 this small TD was built using the T-20 artillery tractor with relatively few modifications. Stay tuned for future episodes where we continue looking at these interesting and important vehicles which helped halt the German advance into the Soviet Union.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - 2:12 Intro
2:12 - 5:10 Why was the ZIS-30 built?
5:10 - 12:00 Design and use in combat
12:00 - 13:01 Conclusion
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Feed the snail
Not the grind!
Cone has fallen into the Snail's claws.
the parasites got to him
You say cursed, I say the perfect little gremlin TD.
that title belongs to the ASU-57
@@TMreal05 But the ASU-57 isn't a TD
@@TMreal05Micro hetzer
@@TMreal05That thing is an insect
Yall gon forget about the M-50 Ontos?
Everyone loves the combination of a huge gun on a tiny vehicle
Really!
Agree fully :D
Absurd proportions are always entertaining
Gustav gun
Shortstacks ftw
Little freaky weaponised tractors are always underrated imo
Even that not weponised ;)
Pro made technicals.
The killdozer XD
No seriously, it was a fucking beast
Danger Tractor is fun to use
omg it's Alice
ZiS-2 57 mm cannon was designed and built in my city. Funniest thing about it is that its penetrating capability was deemed to be *excessive,* so it was pushed out of production in December of 1941... for some time, at least.
Nice, one of my (oddly enough) favorite tank destroyers of Soviet origin.
Mine is the SU85B
It is so simple, you can see very well out of it.
I can imagine operating that gun or driving it, must be fun until a mg42 shred you
@@puebespuebes8589onsidering the ridiculously long range, I would be more worried about attacks from the air than a infantry machine gun most of the time.
Agreed, still easily one of my favorite tank destroyers
@@puebespuebes8589this thing is one of the only Soviet open top td's that is mg42 proof from the front annoyingly enough
Zis-30: I'm only tractor
German tank crew: okay
Zis-30: -opens fire-
German tank crew: 😮
**IT FRONTALLY PENNED THE LEAD IN THE HEAVY TANK BRIGADE**
*panik*
**CRITICAL HIT**
scheiße
@@William_Bryant "Look out, air!"
The modern russian army would identify the tractor as leopard 2.
Emotional damage!
what an absolute menace of a vehicle
Hey Hans why is that push moving ?
The story of the gun itself is fascinating during barb there were more of it mounted on the ZiS30 than towed in standard divisional AT companies. Some dingus cavalry clique marshal decides that the gun is a needless overkill, and so he shut down production in 1941 after only a couple hundred guns made. A couple of years later a "tiger" panic has also sat in, and urgent need for high velocity high penetration guns was needed, which brought the ZiS2 back to production. However, the rather small 57mm caliber meant that the shell didn't hit quite as hard as desired. Luckily the 85mm gun was soon coming online on Su-85 and KV-85
The marshal was right though, in 1941 there was no need for it, and the 76mm was far more effective against infantry or fortifications.
@@quan-uo5wsyeah i guess
@@quan-uo5ws here's the catch. The ZiS3 76mm gun was also blocked from entering production. In fact, Grabin, the head of that artillery factory, had to start the production in secret and only in December of 41 convinced Stalin to give the gun a chance.
Those delays meant that for almost all of Barbarossa nd the spring 42 battles, the red army was handicapped against increasing numbers of up-armored panzer 3s and 4s and later StuGs since they had to rely on questionable AT rifles and weak 45mm AT guns.
@@darthcalanil5333 thats interesting, though the 45mm was still enough against panzers in 1941 (most of them had 30mm of frontal armor)
The high velocity didn't spall armor on the lighter tanks that were common in the early war, which meant that even a pz-38 could tank multiple hits without being knocked out
Tiny things like this would scare the crap out of me if I was a tank crewman. The thought of a powerful gun on a small easy to hide frame is scary.
Maybe, but much more soldiers were issued with only ATGs or even issued with close combat weapons.
That's one reason why tanks need to be supported by infantry and why most tank destroyers have at least a small amount of armor over the whole crew, even ones meant for ambushes like the Stug. A rifle round coming at most angles could mean a dead crew.
Regular people: OH that's a neat little tank!
WarThunder players: WHY ARE THE BUSHES SPEAKING RUSSIAN?!
I don't play tanks often (Air Sim Elite and I will not change my mind😂) BUT, when I do I only play a lineup of Russian tank destroyers, starting with the Zis 30, such an underrated gremlin
COMRADE! I SEE GERMAN TANK! COMRADE, LOAD ARMOR PIERCING! COMRADE, FIRE UNTIL TANK DEAD! AHAHAHA WE GOT THEM! WE WIN WAR!
I ram one of those pointblank, you can kill it by ramming it.
@@ringring8938you can even kill it by hitting the wall near it with HE
FOR REAL (IM a zis player)
I want to see a ZIS-30 mockup with a modern autoloader system and other modernizations so it can be used as an crewless robotic 'space tank' prop.
Mini Armata
Soviet Union already had S-60 57-mm AA gun with system of distance targeting.
Good idea to cover this. According to D. Stahel, only 13 % OF GERMAN TANKS at the start of Barbarossa were PZR 4s, 29% were Pzr 1 and 2s... Panzer IIIIs were 28% .. So it looks like IIIs were the workhorse.. And one can see how dangerous a 76mm AT gun could be to this attacking force. Germany started with too few Panzer IVs and never could make up for this deficit. I think historians are just now realizing how well the Soviet soldier fought back in the beginning.. The German Generals really fogged our understanding of Barbarossa because we believed all their versions of what happened.
What percentage were the Czech tanks?
@@kieranh2005 " D. Stahel Operation Barbarossa and Germany's defeat in the East " 22 june 41 .... 19% = 38t , : 4% = 35t.... P1= 8% : P 2 = 21% : P 3 = 28% and P 4 = 13% When you consider that many T-26s and BTs had a 45mm gun... Things don't look as good for Germany as many of us have believed. By about mid August many Panzer Divisions are at about half strength. ... and Hitler wants to build new units and not replace the losses .... some replacements were sent but never near what was lost. . so it's really no mystery why they failed.
@@kieranh200520%
@@samsuddin8249so wha tanks were last 10% then?
@@AKUJIVALDOeverything Else , Armoured halftrack, Tank Destroyer, Stug
YES! MY FAV!! The yeet tractor! Ive had a blast with this doinker in warthunder splashing bandits that far outclass it. I even built a scale model of one stylized just like the one I use in game :D
Love to see this little creature of an SPG getting some attention!
As i call it, "little goober guy"
A tankette with an artillery piece mounted on top.
I like it.
More like based by design
I’ve always got a weird soft spot for light tanks and tankettes. Everyone focuses on the beefy Tigers and Shermans and T-34s. But there’s just something I like about the little tanks that could
Asu
Its a self propelled gun. Its literaly just a gun mounted on a tractor.
It's kinda like seeing a tiny car or a keivan doing its job. There's just something about it.
AMX ELC 90mm comes to my mind.
TKS 20 my beloved
The early-ish Eastern Front seems to have had a large number of Frankenstein creations on both sides.
Thank you for covering this model. I've run across quite a few references to it but none with details or specs. Nicely done!
Was not a fan at first, but now I love it.
You didnt use it in WT? Its a gremlin.
@@robertharris6092 thats how we all felt at first
Would be nice if War Thunder added the small details/mechanics the existing tanks had such as the LEGS to stabilize the recoil of the 57mm.
Would be a nice thing to have for ZIS 30 users when they found a comfortable spot to snipe.
i think it wouldn't help much since the gun even wobbling on 14.8 tons LVT(A)(4) (ZiS-2)
@@myopickid4180 still helps reducing the wobble in rapid fire succession when you hit the gunner but still drives away to cover.
If the suspension is bad as the ELC Bis when they brake hard. It takes forever to even get it standing still while the target is already in cover by the time it's stable.
@@justasimplegamer129 What is said is that a pair of outriggers might help reduce the wobble of the cannon if it is on a heavy chassis. As you can see, the LVT (A)(4) (ZiS-2) with the same cannon still wobbles when firing, moving, and braking, even though the LVT chassis is three times heavier than the Zis-30 tractor. So maybe the developer considered that is an unnecessary feature to bring into the game.
I love my zis 57mm armed T-28 on WoT. It can pen heavies 2 tiers higher and take out Matildas with relative ease.
You can also use the gun in the T-34.
The Komsomolets T-20 #459 shown at 6:42 was captured by the Finns. Overall, about 500 of them were caught during the Winter war as trophies and put into use as artillery tractors. The text on the side, "Harjoitusvaunu" means "Training vehicle" (literally, training wagon). Also the ones which have the inverted swastika are Finnish captured ones.
Am I having a mandela effect or what?
I thought they were spelled "kosmolets" bruh
@@reedman0780Yes, you are. They are spelled Komsomolets 😊
Why did the Finns use inverted swastika?
@sofuswurtz5951 It dates back to the formation of the Finnish armed forces in 1918. It was a popular emblem at the time in many European countries, considered a symbol of good luck. It originally came from count Eric Von Rosen, a Swedish nobleman who gifted the newly independent Finnish nation its first military aircraft, adorned with his personal emblem, the swastika.
@@Saksikoipiwell that’s unfortunate lol
All hail the Danger Tractor!!
I feel like the russian 57mm gun is really under appreciated. Its got amazing pen and ballistics.
I think the 57mm has better penetration than the German short barrel 75mm.
@@albertwolanski7688 it can pen more than the medium length 75.
How does it compare to the British 6pdr / American 57mm?
@@kieranh2005worse pen, better post pen (excluding the t18e2s aphe)
Interested in how this tractor would fare against the Bob Semple in a fight.
I don't think you could even call that a fight. The ZIS-30 is properly armed, unlike the Bob Semple
Would't it make you... a kill dozer?
Just to help cone of Arc with his ad when you play war thunder one of the best things you want to focus on is figuring out what kind of tank you want to play if you're doing ground forces , are you a heavy tank player are you a medium tank player are you a light tank player are you a scout vehicle player , etc , also when you're attacking the tank you can kill all the crew inside the tank without having to kill the tank itself counting as a tank kill :3
When I first saw the ZIS-30 in WT, I thought it was some sorta conglomeration of a Stuant hull with the 57mm AT gun, but given how early it was produced, suppose it was a bit far-fetched to expect such a modification to exist, especially since the engine of the Stuart was in the back, right where the gun was.
Its sad that only German tractors are well known. Even in this video you see a number of German and Russian armored vehicles and you never see the number of tracked tractors. Tho I assume a high mobility Sdkfz 7 with towed 8,8cm was worth more than two T-26.
My favourite little Gremlin, murders everything when I use it.
I knew about the ZIS-43 AA halftrack and the 29K (YaG 10 truck) AAA but that one Bob Simple looking tank caught me off guard
I remember reading up somewhere that a vast majority were lost in action within a few months of combat.
That is most likely the case. As I said in the video a few survived for longer but as with most vehicles in that period they didn't have a long life.
The 57mm is one of my favorite anti thank guns of the war. Few other 1941 guns could peirce a tiger 1 hull at 500m!
Let's take a moment to appreciate how beautiful that thumbnail art is.
Literally looks like something some kobolds in a DND session would patch together and throw at the party, and I love it. The ZiS and ASU-57 will always be welcome in my eyes XD
Ran a kobold lair in pathfinder 1e: appropriately sized tunnels for kobolds, traps, mazelike pathing, and thrown weapons/nets made a 10th level party retreat and negotiate.
I didn't add levels to the kobolds either, just had the environment and the party's hubris do the work.
1:36 shots fired
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Years ago, I worked in a gun shop, in the middle of nowhere, in NH, which is saying a lot. The manager described the shop as Miller Country: nothing fancy. I did get to learn at the feet of some real neat firearms gurus. The shop didn't deal in antiques; we took them on consignment. I learned that what a lot of collectors wanted were some rarities that were rare specifically because nobody wanted them when they were new. Everybody and his brother bought a Winchester 1894 lever gun, in 30/30, but what about an 1894 in some weird, oddball cartridge, that failed to sell, and they only made 100000 of them? That's what a lot of collectors were searching for. Now, after that lengthy intro, this aspect of my antique firearms experience is why I really enjoy your videos, putting the spotlight on such interesting vehicles, that were nearly lost to history. Thank you and keep up the good work. It's July 4th, Happy Birthday.
Honestly, when you get invaded, I'd imagine you'd scramble up anything to try and slow the advance.
Even 100 anti-tank guns in the early months would be much more favorable than having nothing to slow the advance. Plus, it gives a great learning experience for what a proper design should look like, such as engine, crew locations, and armor, when using a small platform. Any experience and armor, is better than none.
You should do a video about the object TDs, such as the object 704 and object 268.
Yep
The one you’ve mentioned placed is a museum is a very close replica. Most likely it has some of the original parts, but definitely not a surviving example.
Call to Arms: Gates of Hell
Great game
Has a few less known Vics that did see service
And this is one of them
And it SLAYS if used at appropriate range and with appropriate tactics
I remember play this in War Thunder and calling it the "Soviet clown car". I don't know why but its compact unstable design coupled with crewmen hanging on for dear life screamed clown car.
This is one of my most favourite tank destroyers in warthunder. When I started the game it really made me fall in love with it. It had a gun with good velocity, range and penetration in a tech tree that for the most part lacks all those 3 features in rank I and II. Something about taking out a superior panzer in my rusty rickety tractor with a gun mounted on it also just activates all my neurones. I love my Angry Traktor.
Glad being a help! You deserve it ^^
I'd love to see more info about the T-14 heavy tank, or perhaps more modern vehicles. Great video, cone.
T14 is a very niche american tank
This reminds me of Ukraine mt-lb refitted with t-12 100mm AT guns. Always interesting to see artillery tractors get turned into spgs.
Or S-8 rocket pods!
I just plaster these in bushes and ambush panzer IIIs
Had to check my calendar because I thought its fake tank friday and I was pretty sure its real haha.
Love that janky fucker
Very much appreciate your channel. I consider myself fairly well versed on WWII battles and tactics but admit to not knowing much about the specific pieces of equipment involved.
I remember playing the Zis-30 years ago, when it was still ranked very low in the Soviet tech tree. It was quite hilarious to nail literally every enemy tank with ease, only really vulnerable to surprise air attacks
5:00 Yes the 34 was available in large ish numbers. The kv, bt, t26, and 34 were used on mass on day one.
This makes me want to craft a 2.0-3.0 lineup for USSR! Im about to log in and do it now. This thing might not have much armour but its gun and mobility are even more deadly! So fun to come back to as an experienced player. Very capable vehicle in hands of a hardened crew
When I played this thing in War Thunder it actually inspired me to a make a tractor Tank in Spore of a Similar Role, though in this case it was a hovertractor with a big gun thrown on with minimal protection.
Switching over from WoT to WT as a kid, got the zis-30 pretty quick, and absolutely loved how nothing i saw could survive. just hoped they dont see me
11:31 I wouldn’t say that’s “user error,” as the crew likely encountered enemy armor and didn’t have time to deploy the stabilizers before firing.
Back when I played WT (ussr and germany were the only ground trees) it was a favourite of mine, it was nice having historically consistent gameplay
Great thumbnail, love how I still use this TD even in T3 of War Thunder
Everyone run! Danger tractor! Your APHE wont do shit! Its too thin to arm it!
Back when I still played War Thunder i loved this thing. First sortie I fired sideways and flipped it over. Fun times.
It's kind'a like artillery analogue of technical trucks.
-" ...so, we have these tractors..., let's put the cannons on them..."
Love this thing, adorable and effective. Good to learn what those pointy caps are on the back, thought they were exhausts or something!
6:42 - The T-20 artillery tractor displayed here has “Exercise Baby” written in Finnish on its side. That is still a Finnish expression in use today that applies to lifelike baby-dolls for prospective mothers with learning difficulties to get used to carrying around a young baby. This T-20 is literally a Finnish “practice tank”.
One of my favourite vehicles to play in WT. it’s a perfect sniper. The biggest issue I have with it is that the gun is so comically large it’s the farthest thing from stabilized. It’s completely impossible to fire on the move, and it takes the gun a few seconds to stop wobbling when I suddenly stop. That’s gotten me killed quite a few times.
What else can you expect?Stay hidden,be cautious and thank god you will be fighting german mains most of the time.
Well that's what you get for not using the deployable recoil absorbing feet.
Bruh you’d be seeing this shit at top tier and still getting fuck ton of kills
I remember building a 1/72 model of one of these
I use the ZiS-30 all the time in War Thunder. Awesome gun for the battle rating. You can one-shot kill just about everything, even frontally if you know where to aim. Definitely a camper's best friend if you can find good cover from strafing aircraft. However, it's as slow as molasses going uphill in January, can be killed by someone throwing a rock, and only has a main gun ammo capacity of 20 rounds.
Thanks to WoT I learned of a similar tank that was a Chinese concept but like most ideas for Chinese tank destroyers it was scrapped,basically the same gun as the Zis-30 but mounted on an M5 Stuart
Zis-30 is good in every way exept being open-topped and almost unarmored. (strongest armor is the crew's helmets lol) I love my little gremlin tank :D
i really like the animated intro, it is simple but says a lot
The ZIS-30 is a perfect example of the Soviet strategy that won the war.
An utter dependence on Lend-Lease?
@@lexbrightraven8049 I know. I was being snarky.
@@lexbrightraven8049The USSR had its own industries. Ukraine is much more reliant on foreign aid.
Fascinating! Love your content.
Thanks for an entertaining and educational video
0:15 "advance back east into the german homeland" *wheeez*
I look forward to the rest of the hilariously stupidly amazing looking danger tractors.
Yooooo, love the new intro!!!
Love your work thank you for all your work and effort you put in to your videos
Well done. Good episode
Really cool!! Thank you
A small vehicle can go places many others can not. Combined with the excellent high velocity gun & well designed ergonomics(would be easily able to utilize two loaders & a dismounted spotter) this is a good system.
The only cursed thing here is WT and its grind. Aside that, great video.
I love these small vehicles with big guns! Like the Marder-Series or even this funny Tractor.
One of my favorites in Warthunder the 57 is just a good gun and I love using it
Dat gaz truck wit dat 76mm aa gun doe... I mean don't get me wrong, the ZiS Wobblin' Goblin is a fun tank to use, the Buck Truck willl remain muh favrut' for sometime
Appearance wise the ZIS-30 is an oddly endearing combination of "cute" and "serious weapon system".
I would not want to crew one for an extended period though.
Yay!
Danger Tractor!
i love the zis 30 in warthunder. its really fun to play and sneak around in.
NICE ART WORK👍👍👍
This was my favourite TD back when I played WT
I used this Lil guy sooooo much when starting ussr tech tree in war thunder. It's so sneaky and powerful
I believe it was a good idea, the only thing i'd change was to make it longer to it doenst need the supporters for the gun recoil and maybe fit a better engine. Very good in WT too
The little TD that could.
My MVP in WT. 57mm ZiS-2 sends most of vehicles back to hangar.
The little tank destroyer that could. LOL.
Finally a video of my favorite WW2 tank 😌
man, young me back in 2017 when i first started playing war thunder, i love this little dude, i grinded most of russian early tank with this because gaijin gave free talisman to it
Fun fact, the vehicle at 6:41 is a finnish captured vehicle. The text in the side (Harjoitusvaunu) means "training vehicle/carriage"
3:26 its sounds more terrorfying if you dont know that a large part of those 3000 tanks ... were panzer 1... armed with a machine gun and panzer 2s ...armed with an 20mm autocannon
Which the old 45mm Soviet AT/tank guns could easily handle.
Lol got your new video notification as I finished this one!
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the 57mm is so underated
Mostly because Soviet armour doctrine considered tanks and self-propelled guns not as a tool for destroying enemy tanks, but as tool for destroying enemy trenches, earth, wooden and concrete defence positions, and etc. Fight against enemy tanks was a secondary priority.
Thats why soviet tanks had tendency to mount guns with high caliber, where piercing power was usually lower, than in German guns, but it was much more power in HE shells. And some huge calibers like 122mm (Is-2) or 152mm (ISU-152) was able just knock out a crew of the most armoured beast like kingtiger without broken armour itself.
57mm Zis-2 had a very weak HE shell, comparing with 76-mm ZiS-3, which was weaker as AT-gun, but was able to work as cheap and effective field gun.