Tascam DR-40X Review (Noise, Battery Life and more things tested!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- The Tascam DR-40X is a four-track portable audio recorder with built-in stereo microphones.
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Small correction: In the comparison, I meant to write and say Zoom H5 and not F5.
And one more thing I want to point out: I verified the preamp noise of the DR-40X with two separate devices to eliminate the chance of testing a defective recorder.
Looks like they have changed only screen light from orange to blue in the DR40-X compare to previous DR40-V2. Can tell you though, that this device is very sturdy (it has metal reinforcements inside in right places), even it looks "cheap".
@@Mr_G Good to know that there is some reinforcement in there. It really doesn't feel like it. I guess I have to incorporate drop tests into my future reviews :)
Drop tests - oh no!
One of my professional hobby is to fix electronics - often after drop tests :)
Hi Julian, thanks for the review. But, how's the audio playback quality versus a mid-range DAP?
Hello Julian, and thank you for the great review. I'm planning to buy a cheap (under 200 Euro) recorder for ambient sound (so an A/B configuration would be preferable while the majority of them are X/Y and locked in place) and I was thinking to buy this one. However after watching your review I realized the background noise is too loud. Would you be nice to recommend me a good one? Low noise, enough fidelity. Thank you.
This is how review should be made for most of us. Straight down to business with no flares, gimmicks etc. thank you!!!
he never blinked!
Found one at 8:09 ;)
Never notice till I read your comment, 😂
He is a robot... completely digital humanoid... :)...
German engineering.
What the F....this guy ain't human
I've been using the DR-40 for +4 years. It's my No.1 choice for demoing and being creative, thanks to the great overdub / mix mode. The mics are not too brilliant or harsh, they have this slight warm touch*.
From 2012 - 2015 I "worked" mostly with the DR-05, while also trying out the Boss BR-80 and ZOOM's multitrackers R8, R16 & R24 (I still use the R8 for demos, as audio interface & DAW controller).
My first choice to grab was and still is the Tascam. I like the DR-40 a lot, but yet it's lights & shadows.I was looking forward to this upgrade, but there is rarely something new.
What's NEW:
- a slightly revised menu (EQ, Speaker & Level are now in a seperate ""E/A" folder)
- Dictation Mode (well...)
- USB Audio Interface
- 16h battery running time instead of 17h (based on 4 years of using eneloops: 8h seems realistic)
- That's it
Still NOT CHANGED:
- instead of the "play" button, the "Enter/Mark" button is in the middle
- USB port not protected like the SD slot
- display totally overloaded
- display has still 1990's Game Boy graphics
- I prefer a dial for adjusting the volume (like a good old Walkman)
- Power Supply Status has only 3 bars. That's far too vague. 5 bars would be useful, an additional display in percent would be awesome
- still not possible to change the brightness of the display, only contrast. That's ridiculous! Guys, every simple China-imported mp3 player has this function!
- still not possible to disable the annoying "Change Mic directions?" popup in the system settings when adjusting the mic
- NO accessories! Not even optional! No case, no sleeve, no bag - nothing! 10 years ago I bought a cheap Transcend mp3 player for like 40 EUR. It came with a silicon protection case, lanyard, USB cable, line cable, earbuds, 2 display protection sheets, software CD and a case. And you could even adjust the display brightness! 40 EUR! Shame on you, Tascam!
Conclusion:
If you need a great, simple recorder with brilliant mics for demoing: go fo the Tascam DR-05 V2.
If you need additional features, like XLR, full 2-track recording, mixer and you can pass on Audio Interface: go for Tascam DR-40 V2.
If you need all this AND an Audio Interface, you should rather check the ZOOM H4n Pro. It's in the same price range but it also has a Guitar Amp Simulation, Zoom G5n based Multi Effects, a Karaoke/Jam function and includes Steinberg Cubase LE & WaveLab LE Download licenses and a protective case
*I recorded "Einsamer Wanderer (QuickShot Demo)" with the DR-05 (light reverb, intro & outro with Audacity) - check out on my channel if you like
I was concerned that I may have bought my H4n Pro too soon before seeing how the DR-40X fared, but based on Julian's great review and your helpful comment, I think I made the right choice. Thank you.
Great info and thank you for providing it. Though I do have a question that you may be able to provide some clarity to...say I need a decent quality budget priced 4 track digital recorder along the lines of the H4n Pro or H5 functionally speaking, etc but have no need for included microphones. Just portable and somewhat clean preamps XLR, line in etc for field recording samples and creative noodling. Thanks for any insight you can provide - I feel like Im just wading through thick fog at this point. lol
@@theorist5497 , thanks for your kind words.
You are looking for a (portable) 4-track recorder with XLR and decent preamps, is that right?
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with recorders less than 8 tracks. Over the years I've been working with all ZOOMs (R8, R16, R24) and the BOSS BR-80. You would not want the ZOOM R16 or R24, they're too big. The BOSS BR-80 might work for you. I remember it was built like a tank and was fun jamming around with this little thing. The downside is it has 1 Mic Line-in only (no XLR) and creating a multitrack recording was very very very complicated and confusing because you had to navigate with a tiny jog wheel.
I always highly recommend the ZOOM R8. It's not that big as the R16 or R24 and it's definitely the best of the 3 models. You get 3 gears in one: portable recorder, audio interface, DAW controller. It's portable powered by 4 AAs (eneloops recommended), it has 2 Line/XLR combinations, fully adjustable drum machine with 5 different kits, very useful effects (R16 effects are more "Nintendo") and a line-in for a foot switch. This thing is really the heart of my bedroom studio. I use it for creating songs on the couch and as an interface when recording. Since it's also a DAW controller it makes working with (in my case) Cubase a little more comfortable. I bought it for about 220 EUR many years ago. The price is pending from 189 EUR up to 320 EUR. If you don't need it urgently wait for a good offer - I would not pay more than 245 EUR.
Sorry I can't tell you more about field recorders - though I hope I could help you out a little.
Cheers
@@einsamerwanderer6641Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate the input. Yeah, 4 tracks would basically be my mininum, 6 or 8 is probably the sweet spot for it be useful to me for anything other than field recording. I'm not sure how I wasn't aware of the R8 - it looks quite nice. For some reason I was under the impression that the R16 was the lowest model they made - so that may be a really nice solution for me both portability wise and for being able to record my musical projects. Thanks again, you may have just made my day!
Idk if anybody will see this but what kind of SD card do I need for this because I have a mico SD card but it's say that the card does not work
Thanks for this, Julian.
You're welcome!!!
I posted a lengthy comment here earlier pointing out some things about this device. Hopefully it won’t “disappear” or be deleted again. Yes, this item is plastic which reduces its cost and second, it reduces weight as it is a portable device. Yes it has an intolerable built-in background hiss or noise. Nothing you can change via the menu for recording settings will lessen the hiss. Also the device will amplify and record any user handling of device while recording. So it must be positioned on a vibration free surface or a tripod. An accessory kit is available to allow device to be mounted on a typical mic stand. Any outside recording of music or nature sound will require a good wind screen added over mics.
Lastly, if you have a good audio editor with a noise reduction tool the be advised of this good information. After recording something with this device - open your recording in your audio editor. Select a non-music or non-vocals portion with the hiss/noise section, copy this section. Then open your noise reduction tool. Choose clipboard as the parameter for what to remove. Play your recording to see if hiss is gone. It will be. Then save the hiss-free recording. Yes, it is a workaround but if you want a hiss free recording, this is absolutely necessary with this device. Editing out the noise from a field recording will require you first record somewhere quiet, then save say 5 or 10 seconds worth to a “hiss/noise” audio file first. Make your field recording. Then open both field recording and the hiss/noise recording at the same time in your audio editor. Copy the noise sample. Then select your field recording. Open noise reduction tool. Choose clipboard as the parameter for the noise reduction to use. Apply and check your field recording. It will be artifact free. Save your cleaned up file. Extra steps yes but doable. If you already own this device this procedure will help out. If you find a used one of these in good condition and know how to use an audio editor - consider grabbing it - as other than the irksome hiss/noise issue - it’s an affordable, overall useful and lightweight digital recorder. 😎👍🎥
3:20 On the inside of the battery compartment door there’s a special place to store the small rubber stand so you don’t end up losing it. Simply press the rubber piece between the 2 plastic stems on the inside of the door and when replaced the rubber stand will never get lost while stored between the batteries 🖐😉
Also, if you want a snug fit in the tripod socket, just turn it clockwise a few times. All this said, a flip out stand or something that doesn't detach would be better and if done right, far less fiddly.
It's overall a very good review. My nitpicks is that critiques and praises aren't given with any nod toward prices. Also, I thought the build quality felt fine for a $180 portable four channel recorder. Maybe the feel is different depending on whether you pick it up empty or with batteries. Weight subjectively suggest quality. (I've had cheap phones in the past that had a lead weight in the handset presumably at least partly to weight it down when they went with lighter weight speakers and microphones.)
Thank you.
Another amazing contribution to TH-cam. Thanks for what you do, Julian!
Thanks for a nice review. I have been wanted to buying used one, but change my mind after watching this review. You saved my money, because I planned to use recorder with dynamic mic. Thank you once again
Personally, I love the "Record" feature of not going directly into record mode, as you need to set levels before you record anyway, and if you REALLY want to jump right in and record, just press the record button twice quickly. Also, you must remember price point when reviewing these recorders, and Tascam does make more expensive recorders for more exacting professional applications. All in all, in my opinion, this is a very fine recorder for under $200.00.
It is a horror system where you can miss the dubble tap or forget it. Stupid system.
Even if all companies have better recorders, they should put pre-amps and a/d d/a converters.
That should be HIGH-CLASS.
All other things (cheap plastic, buttons etc.) I don’t care about.
Very nice presentation. I think English is not your first language but the clarity flow and content is excellent.
Very mature voice and a job well done 👍
Like many educated Germans Julian actually speaks perfect English. Let's put it this way--he is much easier to understand in English than a certain US president ;)
I just got a FetHead Phantom today. I can confirm what you start--using the device easily improves the noise situation with my low sensitivity dynamic mics and the Behringer C-3, which is not terribly sensitive compared to other condensers. I am glad I got it and it will improve my experience with the DR40X and my other Tascam recorder. That said I have multiple uses for the FetHead beyond just lowering preamp noise on this device. I think someone starting clean is best to not worry about the FetHead and spend the extra money on a Zoom recorder with better preamps.
I’m so happy i bought this device already. Your description is interesting,personally any recording devise with XLR connections under 130.00 pounds is un heard of. I got virtually Binaural sound recorded with the Y configuration kept still outside a window. Playback you can hear the direction vehicles are driving in. Almost 3D sound. I prefer this to my sony linear PCM recorder
You should be comparing noise levels of comparably priced models.
I was about to leave this same response. Comparing a $100 recorder to a $700 one. You obviously get better quality when you pay more. They design their budget devices with this in mind. I have an even cheaper version, the DR-22 WL and I love it for its size and functions, even if limited. I just clean up the his in post, I mean I'm going to do that anyway.
@@shadowsilhouette8499 The Zoom H5 (which is one of the recorders the Tascam is compared to) is not a $700 recorder, indeed it is only a bit more expensive than the Tascam. In fact, it is very important to be aware of the issue Julian points out because if you're recording, say, birdsong in the field, you may have difficulty finding a quiet enough spot to use as a basis for cleaning up the file in post.
@@djinibee2435 Current Amazon prices. DR 40x: $179 , Zoom H5 $279, F4 $444, F8 $849 SD MIX PRE-3 $680. There are other audio recorders in the Tascam's price range, but these are not them. As he mentioned you can add the Fathead Preamp ($99) and lower the dB by 22 decibels. Check his chart and see how that compares.
I saw a TH-camr raving about the Roland r07. Have you seen it? Any other suggestions for around $200 US?
It didn't sound that noisy using the inbuilt mics just with the external dynamic mic.
Which field recorder in the DR-40X's price range would you guys recommend if you plan to mostly use the built in mic to record band practice? Would you go with the DR-40X for that purpose or is there another make or model you would consider first? Thanks!
I wonder just the same. He says there are better alternatives but I wouldn't know which ones 🤔
I could listen to you for hours! Great job!
Finally someone who does reviews that are critical. What alternatives do you recommend? Are there any similar recorders in the same price range?
Nobody:
Asmr TH-camrs: *ILL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK*
Asmr youtubers... And 5 years ago we thought influencers and binge eaters were the pinnacle.
I'm gonna pick one up tomorrow used for $50, as I'm mostly going to use it to digitize music I record on reel to reel and 4 track cassette, it's perfect. The fa t that I can take it out and grab samples to feed into my sampler is just icing on the cake.
Great to see a more detailed review on this, thank you!
Not only great tech skill with lots of numbers and figures BUT also opinions based on fact check without any brand sponsorship. Well done! I'll always follow you review!
Exceptionally clear and useful video. Thank you so much for putting the time in to this. I think you saved me some money and a lot of time getting frustrated with this machine, which I was close to buying.
Hi Julian, this might be a silly question, but what does the USB Audio Interface in this device do? Why is it handy to buy this one instead of the dr-40? Thank you.
A great honest review, thanks Julian 😎🎙️🔊
Thank you!! I nearly "upgraded" from my DR-40 assuming that _of course_ Tascam improved the preamps, how could they not?? 🤦♂️
Also- I can't believe this channel escaped me until now! I know your name from all over the TH-cam audio community, and I see why. Glad to finally be subbed! 👍
Incredible review! Holy ****. You should create a course to teach people how to create a review. 11/10!
thanks for this wicked video- I have a dr40 and the noise floor is outrageous! I have been doing research to figure out if this normal for the system and I think your video totally confirms my belief. I guess I live and I learn haha
Thanks, man!
Best audio reviewer / tester ever!
Ive been using the DR40 for years, still works like on day 1, and still has the noise you describe ... you need hotter mics for it (been using it with AudioTechnica). Seems the only added feature is the usage as USB sound device on Mac/PC ... Reason why i bought it back in the day: the Zooms had even worst noise floor (and dont check the crap frequency response) and you could use it with external USB batteries. And ofc around 160€ it was cheap. And even after all these years of "abuse" - even it may feel cheap - never was broken, always worked. Yeah i agree 2020 the DR40II perfomance is not acceptable anymore.
In the EIN section at about the 6:50 mark, you labeled a recorder with -120.5 dBu as a Zoom F5 when it should be the Zoom H5.
Love your stuff. I link it on the Reddit Podcasting sub all the time. Keep up the good work.
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Good catch, I even said F5 in the video... Of course, it is a Zoom H5!!! Thanks for linking the videos!
@@JulianKrause, ah... I wondered about F5 model...
Hey Julian! Great and detailed review. Really enjoying your content. Thanks!
I have come to trust Julian's scientific approach and objective measurements. That said I get much better quality out of this with a Behringer XM8500 dynamic mic than this review suggests I should. Perhaps my old ears and high frequency hearing loss mean I don't hear noise as much ;)
My main gripe with the unit is that it's overdubbing and mixing capabilities take some time to sort out. You really need to download the full reference manual from Tascam. In short it isn't a four-track recorder in the more traditional sense as in my old Zoom H4. The process is basically overdub-bounce-overdub-bounce on track at a time. Workable, but different.
I find the build quality is fine. The little rubber foot has a storage slot in the battery cover. And the Peak Reduction level control is very useful (there are other TH-cam videos that extol the virtues), but I agree that the Auto and Limiter level controls are not.
Julian doesn't mention that you can power the thing through USB too using computer port, a standard phone charger, or and external battery pack.
In brief I like it a bit better than Julian does. However, I am keen to invest in a fethead to see it I can improve the noise performance on this and other beloved recorders I have.
Hey, thank for sharing your experience with the DR-40X and the additional input!
The reason you are much better off with the XM8500 is that it is a more sensitive microphone. Meaning, it delivers a stronger signal in comparision to many other dyanmic microphones and that's why you end up with less noise in your recording.
@@JulianKrause Thanks. A couple of other things you didn't touch on. I have been experimenting with the thing as a USB interface, and it is surprisingly good, especially when using the built in mics. My DAW is Cakewalk, and I do find it takes a lot of fiddling with the ASIO4All property settings to get down to 128kbps latency (I have a small slow laptop so I don't go lower), but it is possible. As for the internal mics, there seems to be a slight QC issue with mine. In the XY position the Y is turned in a little more than the X. This means the stereo balance seems to slightly favour the R channel when you speak or sing dead on. The average difference on the meters is only a couple of dB, and it should only be audible to obsessive audiophiles, but this device isn't cheap and I would expect this to be in better nick. Also, the sensitivity of the mic to plosives is a huge headache--a pop filter or windcover of fur or foam is an absolute must, especially if you use Peak Reduction, as I do, to manage the the gain. I still really like the thing, but I can't deny that the mic asymmetry, which I suspect does not affect every unit out there, is a tad annoying (even if it is easy to compensate for by positioning).
Yes! This is a review. No stupid, annoying background-music, just a normal setup behind you.... I now own a DR-40, which has a an extremely annoying 'chirp' sound when using a phantom powered microphone. (which is basically a 'continuation' of the very bad helicopter sound many experienced back in the days and was eventually fixed by Tascam).
Just tried to record a voice-over, when the chirp came on AGAIN. I was so fed up that I started looking for something different. As I can read and write with my Tascam DR-40, I thought of the DR-40X. But darn, no. This will not be my choice.
About the plastic ;) My DR-40 has survived many accidental drops, including drops on the metal guards that protect the internal microphones. It has never failed to amaze me how sturdy this thing is built. The mic-guards aren't even bent!
Thanks for this. I was looking to replace my DR-40 because it has a few issues and I just tested the noise level and it sounds pretty much like you just showed! So I'll keep looking. I may check to see if you have any reviews on good handhelds.
Thank you for this video. Have you considered the following: 01) Simple button layout 02) quality of speaker on rear 03) weight 04) low cost 05) accessory options. I think for the cost window this recorder it the best - but it works out ok.
Great video. Thank you. I bought the DR-40X and very rarely use it. The reason to buy it was to spread the built-in mics, put it on a table in the centre of my music room, and face it towards my hifi speakers. This way, I assume it will record audio the way my speakers actually sound in person. I could take a line level out of my hifi system and directly plug it into the DR-40X but that would just give me a hi-res audio file on the SD card, right?. In order to share files with friends and family with music the way I hear it in my room, what best way would you suggest? I have 4 different pairs of speakers, and I want to share how they all differently sound while playing the same music from the same source. Your thoughts on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
whats the better alternative? H4N Pro?
Excellent review, I just bought one on line but maybe I'll send it back for something else. I did not like the fact of the noisy preamps, I agree that in 2019, a noisy preamp is not OK. And for God's sake this is TASCAM, Really, Say what? this is not OK! Thanx for your candid review
Got a DR40 in 2015 and never looked back. I do not shoot 1 second of video without it also recording. This does not seem like a big upgrade
Hi! Just a begginner here. I want to use this recorder to record nature sounds in quiet environments. I guess I will use the built-in mics. Would the noise you show in the video affect here? Or that noise only affects when you connect an external mic, like a dynamic one you mentioned?
Hi I am looking for a audio record to record ambient sounds, like birds, rivers, trees etc etc. would this be a good recorder for this?
I love my dr-40x it works way better than my focusrite interface
how? i plugged it into mac but its not detected?
why better than focusrite?
I’ve just fired mine up for the first time with a dynamic mic, and I’m disappointed to hear so much noise coming through. I’m so glad to have found this video because now I know why. Unfortunately, the Tascam DR-40 is not for me.
Thanks for your test, the noise level is so bad to buy!
Thanks for this unbiased review
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If I had a billion dollars every time this guy blinks.
I would be broke.
You do not say which are the better alternatives, but thanks, a detailed and factual review.
Thanks for your clear and very detailed review!
Good review. I came to the very same conclusion after testing this device for a couple of weeks. The build in mic-pre-amps - for the use of external mics do have a very high self noise. The build-in mics are good, but very sensitive to wind-noise. Last but not least: the limiter function is useless because it's digital (meaning that it has to lower the total input first - which introduces extra noise). Next to this all, the recorder is very sensitive to RF-noise when using the build-in mics. Using a mobile phone in 1 meter from the unit, or standing in a ~50 meter range of a provider-antenna ruins your recording. That is unacceptable in my opinion.
I haven't had any RF problems so far but good to know. Thanks for sharing your experience with the DR-40X!
do you ever have this RF issue with external mics plugged in?
@@AfroGelXT I have never tested that and therefore I cannot answer your question I am afraid. But now that I am here, the reliability of the unit seems fine. At this moment, and 3 years later, I am still using the Tascam. Now mainly as a back-up recorder while using the line-input XRLs. The sound quality is all right, but nothing to write home about. Still a wonderful recorder if you don't want to lose a special moment (and are using a reliable SD-card of couse). The unit itself had never let me down.
@@IV0IV0IV0 thanks!
Excellent detailed review Julian!
Thanks Michael!!!
Thank you for the fantastic review - returned my unopened DR-40X and got the Zoom H5. So glad.
Great review !!! You highlighted all the points that we should know about. That rubber back piece leveler thing is ridiculous. It shows that they did care enough to improve this product so we should not either. Thanks for the your time and expertise....
Bit late, but you can insert that knob on the back (the one preventing the device from being tilted away from you) by turning it clockwise, as if it was a screw. This allows proper inserting and positioning.
Mine arrived just today, and I have yet to try it out in depth. I mainly bought it as a hardware recorder, so I can record my dawless jams / performances without always having to turn on the PC. First test recording sounded okay, but I'll have to do some further testing.
Btw, I fell into the "arm rec trap". "Made" a "recording" just to find out that all I did was arm the recorder ^^
Wow, the noise floor is so bad with the dynamic that I can even hear it through my iPhone speaker. Such strange design choices for a device that has to compete with a Zoom H5 or a MixPre-3 in today’s market. MixPres have analog limiters, Zoom F8n has advanced hybrid digital limiters. Both are highly effective compared to these useless limiters that just drop the recording gain. A very disappointing 2019 product indeed. I was expecting so much more from a new Tascam device. Excellent honest review.
RedBearAK I bought a dr40 and the noise is just awful. Almost as it is louder than the Shure SM58 signal itself.
You can make any device sound bad (noise floor is so bad) if you aren't audio savvy and don't understand gain structure which is obviously the case here.
Sir Chivo so his review is wrong?
The Dr40X does not compete with the H5. Julian's comparisons are slightly misleading in this respect. The 40X is $100 cheaper, at least in the US. Which means its a competitor to the H4N - which has the same poor noise performance as the 40 and 40X, etc...
Alas, I just purchased a used one. I usually revise my recordings with a audio editing program. I hope the "hiss" from the preamps can be removed with noise reduction and/or E
Q settings.
Woe! Exceptional review! Really unfortunate not catching this before getting a DR 40......
Its normal for a recorder to require two button presses to start recording.
it has three modes: Stand by, play, record.
The audio input normally would not go to the headphones/line out in standby mode. If you are playing back tracks you dont want the microphones to send the audio to the headphones/line out, every time a track ends, while you select the next track to play, or reset the track to play it again.
the recorder cannot read your mind and know which button you will press next: play or record.
Tape recorders were made this way for decades.
Any observations on the noise when using condenser microphones with external phantom power? Is it any different if the tascam dr-40x's phantom power is off?
Al right I personally think that THIS is a review.
Thanks.
First time seeing your video. Glad to do that!
Thanks for the review! So... at the price of $170, is it a good value? Or should one buy the more expensive (by $50) H4n pro instead? (Edit: My main use case is recording piano concerts where there will likely be very quiet passages; I would like to have the audio interface feature so I can hook it up to a computer)
im also interested in the answer of this question!
Damn thats a lot of noise! Thx for the review!
Excellent review my friend! I have to say... i´m gonna buy this recorder, but right after your impressions... i´ll buy a Zoom instead
This video made me cancel an order for DR-40x and instead ordered DR-70D. The preamps in the 70D are phenomenal and it has 4 xlr inputs, plus one stereo 1/8". I don't think I'll need to upgrade again.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Much appreciated!
I am using Tascam DR40 the original(version 2) and Tascam DR07X and they both behave the same way with internal mics as does DR05(version 2) at recording level 32 there is much more noise than on recording level 33. Not sure if this is due to a filter from 33 or some sot of digital lifting up to 32,but for anyone using this right to a camera it is better to be at 33 and tune down headphone output level a notch than to record at level 32. This is also true for mic in 6.3mm from say a digital keyboard. If recording line in though level goes to 24 only and then it is linear. So better then as high output as possible from digital piano. Another thing to watch out is if you use bass+ EQ and Reverb effekts then line out will distort much earlier than the actually stored file. So if sending right to camera you cannot trust recording level as the added DB is not added on meter,so safest to be not to loud out. I usually like to be at 6 columns when going to high levels around -6db.I add further EQ through the tiny Shure SHA900 right before camera input which I have at the lowest possible.
The Shure SHA900 which os a tiny headphone amplifier does have 4 band parametric Equalizer and and you can store 4 different user presets of this. I use this to get rid of most of the noise from Tascam now. Tascam I use to add reverb and a sometimes a bass boost. This way I can record violin and piano directly to camera and not synch or edit in post. It though took some time to figure out best settings. The parametric Equalizing and in and out 3.5mm DAC is extremely quick. I wrote to check this before buying. So Tascam amd Shure SHA900 is still good for me I record at 24 frames per Second. I did also read your review about other equipment,so for those who need a really small parametric EQ for live stream or broadcast the SHA900 is generally overlooked. Battery lasts a long time,more thsn 10 hours per charge. I use with 3.5mm for reverb . I havent yet tested usb.
Forget the Tascam, I want that invisible watch!
Hello, this voice recorder doesn't make any "white noise" as background? The sound is really clea, or you edited the audio? I'm thinking about buying one Tascam Dr-40...
Excellent presentation and information, thanks.
Welp, even though you think that the build quality isn't good, thousands of DR-40 units are still banging around go bags and don't miss a beat. While many YT reviewers have a fetish about metal-only construction, the reality is that the DR-40X and the DR-40 are rugged and decent enough for all but the most discriminating uses. Plastic doesn't mean trashy. The X model was essentially unchanged at a surface level because it is a if-it-isn't-broken-don't-fix-it sequel. The X is also an audio interface, which the original was not. Good value for money for a sub $200 recorder.
You just made me cry. :'(
I just bought this to record rehearsals in the room and record line level and ambient (audience) from inbuilt mics during gigs. I’m sure it’ll be fine for capture ;)
Amazingly detailed and
critical review!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
TELL IT LIKE IT IS! 🤗🤗🤗
Thanks for this excellent review
Very informative review, Julian. Thank you.
I had the DR-40, which got damaged so I've just ordered the DR-40X (same price). I didn't notice much of a floor noise before - at least not one that I couldn't easily remove in post.
I'm not familiar with all the technicalities, so what I got is more by luck than judgement.
I use this DVR with an LCT 640 condenser mic - so I'm not sure if the preamp noise issue is something I need to worry about.
Could you please clarify this for me. I understood the the LCT mic has a built-in preamp (is that correct)? So do I simply disable the preamp in the Tascam (how do I do this)? Is this what the input gain is all about?
I'm recording voiceover exclusively, so maybe none of this is relevant to me (just speak closer to the mic?)
Alternatively, what do you suggest as a decent, inexpensive preamp for a condenser mic like the LCT?
Or what do you suggest as a similar DVR like the Tascam in the same price range, but which doesn't have the problems you mentioned?
:)
Well, I managed to cancel my order for the DR-40X and decided to go for the Zoom H4n Pro for an extra $30. I hope I made the right choice, but one reviewer did seem to think it had a lower noise floor, plus the button layout seems a bit more logical (you can quickly select any of the 4 input channels in any combination and the menu button is away on the side) but otherwise all the other features seem identical. The only difference being that the built-in mics are fixed in XY position, but you can adjust the directionality from 90 to 120 degrees. Thanks again :)
@@LearnThaiRapidMethod Hey, I would have recommended you the H4n Pro as well. As far as I know, the preamps are the same as in the Zoom H5. You can hear the difference to the H5 in this video (I accidentally labeled the H5 as F5 at 6:47). With a Zoom H4n Pro in combination with your LCT 640 you can make very low noise recordings. Enjoy your new recorder!
@@JulianKrause TY :)
@@JulianKrause Thank you. I've been working with the H4n Pro for a few days now and it's a great little device, solidly built, impressive internal mics (albeit super-sensitive to ambient noise) and low noise floor - esp. with my LCT640 XLR mic.
@@LearnThaiRapidMethod Great to hear! Btw. the preamp has nothing to do with how much ambient noise you pick up. That has to do with the mic you use. Be sure to get the mic close (about 8 inches) to your mouth to get the best sound quality possible.
Thanx for this video, is it possible to use the DR-40 for a webinar as a regular audio interface by connecting it to the Notebook?
Only with the DR-40X, not the older DR-40 with the yellow display
Fabulous review, mate.
I'm glad you posted about the noise levels. I've got a DR-07X and am trying to record two lav mics but, for a podcast, it's just untenable. A HORRIBLE noise level. I need to find a new recorder ...
Recently picked up two Fethead's for my DR-40 and wish I had years ago. Input volume without was around 80-90 whereas with the Fethead's it's down to 10, virtually eliminating the noise floor.
Exactly!
When you plug an electric guitar straight into the Tascam DR-40X, do you need a pre-amp? Without pre-amping, it seems like Tascam doesn't pick up an electric guitar signal much at all. The levels are barely there. Put a pre-amp between the guitar and the Tascam, and the levels are 'normal'. Is there something I've not discovered on the internal menus of the Tascam, or is that just the way it is (signal almost nil when recording electric guitar direct)?
Very nice review. Really helpful .
Excellent review - well done.
I use an SM57 for spoken word on this recorder. With a FETHEAD, I have very little noise. Great review!
Klasse Test! Weiter so Julian :)
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Been whatching your videos for a while now and I just got a DR05 v2 over the X version (here is a 50-55€ difference for the better screen and the usb interface).
Since the preamps are the same I'm glad I didn't dish out the other 50€, maybe next time if I need XLR I may get a different brand or a DR-70D.
Thanks. Very complete review.
HI, I'm using a Fethead for this recorder but the Phantom Energy it's not passing to my Rode NTG4. Any idea how to fix this?
Hello Julian! Thank you for the video! I was starting to consider the DR-40x but was dissapointed by the noise level... If I'm going to be limited to the built-in microphones in order to avoid noise, than I guess it makes more sense to look at the Tascam DR-05x or the Zoom H1n... Do you have a suggestion between those two or in general? I'm looking to spend around $100 - $200... It's for recording the audio in my rock band's rehearsals. The DR-05x seems to have more features than the H1n so I'm not sure. Thanks again!
Hey, if you only need the built in mics the DR-05X or a Zoom H1n would be a good choice. I haven't had a chance to test the DR-05X, so I can't really compare it to the Zoom H1n. If the DR-05X has a special feature you need, then I would go for that device. But other than that, I would buy the cheaper one. I have the feeling that the audio quality of the built-in mics is not too different.
excellent presentation and informative , thanks
Very informative video specially on the noise floor. So which recorder model would you recommend please? This is my criteria:
- have xy and ab configuration
- can support adding 2 external condenser mics
- can be used as an interface and connected to PC for either broadcasting and recording
- decent low noise
- budget up to $300
Thanks a lot
That line noise as shown at 8:11 is unacceptable for my usage. I've tested across a number of mics. All the same. I'm extremely disappointed with this product and will be returning it.
I was considering buying a cheap recorder for outdoors recording but I just ended up using my Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with an android phone as a recorder. The setup can record for hours and the quality is way better than what you can get from these cheapies. However, obviously the phone costs more than a bunch of these things. Oh, and yes I figured that the Scarlett fits perfectly into a small 1/2 rack bag.
Also depends on the mic
Hi Julian what audio recorder by Zoom or Tascam will you recommend? That you are impressed with.
So: Pluging dynamic microphones to the imputs create a non-professional noise. If i plug in a synthesizer..... i would get the same noisy results ????????
Good review, but concerning Input Noise comparison it worth to mention the price of each device in the list because they are from the different price categories. Current prices on B&H:
- SD MixPre-3: $650
- Zoom F4: $450
- Zoom F8: $1000
- Zoom H5: $280
- Tascam DR-40X: $170
Tascam decoders of the higher level have much better amplifiers. For example Tascam DR-60DMII ($200) has EIN rating of -120dBu (seems to be an excellent device for this price if you don't need build-in mics) and their flagship handheld recorder DR-100MKIII ($400) has EIN -124dBu with ability to record at 192kHz.
BTH, SD MixPre-3 being very nice device in general has some issues with 192kHz recording according to "Most Helpful Critical Review" on B&H:
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1333778-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_3_mixpre_3_mic_preamps.html/reviews
The quote about cheap plastic from Tascam official site:
"Despite using lightweight plastic for the body in order to keep the overall weight low ... the ribbed internal structure achieves robustness as well as its lightweight."
You have inspired me on all those researches, so thanks for your video!
Hey, I was so critical about the preamp noise of the DR-40X because for nearly the same price you can get the Zoom H4n, which has an EIN of about -120dBu(A). That's the same preamp noise as the H5 and this is miles ahead of the DR-40X. Cheers!
@@JulianKrause That's a good point although Zoom H4n Pro ($220 on B&H) is still more expensive than Tascam DR-40X and Tascam DR-60DMKII. The latter has better preamps and more descent limiter function than DR-40X. And all Tascams (including the most cheap DR-05) have at least one very nice feature that Zoom recorders missed (please correct me if I'm not right about Zooms):
it is so called "overdubbing" mode, when you can play a music track and simultaneously record new one over it. So, you can record each instrument and vocal one by one if you want. In models that have 4 inputs (DR-40X and above) you can choose to record a clean track or a mix, in cheaper models with 2 inputs only you can record a mix only, but you can change the input volume of the playing track and your recording sound separately. I found it very useful even in the cheapest models and for me it's a deal breaker.
So, my understanding of Tascam line-up is following:
From DR-05X to DR-40X/DR-44WL - low-range models with a lot of nice features and excellent sound quality for that low price, but more expensive models in that range offer more features/options, but not better sound quality;
DR-60DMKII / DR-70D / DR-701D - specially designed for filmmakers, have better sound quality than lower models, good reputation on the market and very affordable price ($200-$450);
DR-100MKIII - for music recording (up to 192kHz) or for everything else if you need better quality than DR-40X can provide and want handheld form factor. Has great sound quality and some extra features (like digital input). It is definitely better than Zoom H4n Pro which you've mentioned above (and Zoom H5 either if it has the same preamp noise as you say): th-cam.com/video/Difo4xr7j3w/w-d-xo.html
I highly appreciate your criticism about preamp noise, it helps a lot to understand the position of each model on sound quality gradation and that understanding is not easy to get somewhere else.
very helpful review thank you
Hi Julian. This is a great video. Thank you. You mentioned some other recorders at this position in the market which were better choices. Please would you recommend one for me. I'm looking for one that will record outdoor sounds of nature at a reasonable level? Thank you.
Excellent review!
It looks like it has a lot of useful features & it just needs an extra $100 for a FET-head if you use the mic preamp & also to ignore the limiter & do that elsewhere with post-processing. Plus a cover for the mic to keep wind out. That's not too bad I guess.
Thanks Julian for the review very good job!! Could you please tell me witch pop filter you're using? Thanks ;)