Small correction: In the comparison, I meant to write and say Zoom H5 and not F5. And one more thing I want to point out: I verified the preamp noise of the DR-40X with two separate devices to eliminate the chance of testing a defective recorder.
Looks like they have changed only screen light from orange to blue in the DR40-X compare to previous DR40-V2. Can tell you though, that this device is very sturdy (it has metal reinforcements inside in right places), even it looks "cheap".
@@Mr_G Good to know that there is some reinforcement in there. It really doesn't feel like it. I guess I have to incorporate drop tests into my future reviews :)
Hello Julian, and thank you for the great review. I'm planning to buy a cheap (under 200 Euro) recorder for ambient sound (so an A/B configuration would be preferable while the majority of them are X/Y and locked in place) and I was thinking to buy this one. However after watching your review I realized the background noise is too loud. Would you be nice to recommend me a good one? Low noise, enough fidelity. Thank you.
I've been using the DR-40 for +4 years. It's my No.1 choice for demoing and being creative, thanks to the great overdub / mix mode. The mics are not too brilliant or harsh, they have this slight warm touch*. From 2012 - 2015 I "worked" mostly with the DR-05, while also trying out the Boss BR-80 and ZOOM's multitrackers R8, R16 & R24 (I still use the R8 for demos, as audio interface & DAW controller). My first choice to grab was and still is the Tascam. I like the DR-40 a lot, but yet it's lights & shadows.I was looking forward to this upgrade, but there is rarely something new. What's NEW: - a slightly revised menu (EQ, Speaker & Level are now in a seperate ""E/A" folder) - Dictation Mode (well...) - USB Audio Interface - 16h battery running time instead of 17h (based on 4 years of using eneloops: 8h seems realistic) - That's it Still NOT CHANGED: - instead of the "play" button, the "Enter/Mark" button is in the middle - USB port not protected like the SD slot - display totally overloaded - display has still 1990's Game Boy graphics - I prefer a dial for adjusting the volume (like a good old Walkman) - Power Supply Status has only 3 bars. That's far too vague. 5 bars would be useful, an additional display in percent would be awesome - still not possible to change the brightness of the display, only contrast. That's ridiculous! Guys, every simple China-imported mp3 player has this function! - still not possible to disable the annoying "Change Mic directions?" popup in the system settings when adjusting the mic - NO accessories! Not even optional! No case, no sleeve, no bag - nothing! 10 years ago I bought a cheap Transcend mp3 player for like 40 EUR. It came with a silicon protection case, lanyard, USB cable, line cable, earbuds, 2 display protection sheets, software CD and a case. And you could even adjust the display brightness! 40 EUR! Shame on you, Tascam! Conclusion: If you need a great, simple recorder with brilliant mics for demoing: go fo the Tascam DR-05 V2. If you need additional features, like XLR, full 2-track recording, mixer and you can pass on Audio Interface: go for Tascam DR-40 V2. If you need all this AND an Audio Interface, you should rather check the ZOOM H4n Pro. It's in the same price range but it also has a Guitar Amp Simulation, Zoom G5n based Multi Effects, a Karaoke/Jam function and includes Steinberg Cubase LE & WaveLab LE Download licenses and a protective case *I recorded "Einsamer Wanderer (QuickShot Demo)" with the DR-05 (light reverb, intro & outro with Audacity) - check out on my channel if you like
I was concerned that I may have bought my H4n Pro too soon before seeing how the DR-40X fared, but based on Julian's great review and your helpful comment, I think I made the right choice. Thank you.
Great info and thank you for providing it. Though I do have a question that you may be able to provide some clarity to...say I need a decent quality budget priced 4 track digital recorder along the lines of the H4n Pro or H5 functionally speaking, etc but have no need for included microphones. Just portable and somewhat clean preamps XLR, line in etc for field recording samples and creative noodling. Thanks for any insight you can provide - I feel like Im just wading through thick fog at this point. lol
@@theorist5497 , thanks for your kind words. You are looking for a (portable) 4-track recorder with XLR and decent preamps, is that right? Unfortunately I'm not familiar with recorders less than 8 tracks. Over the years I've been working with all ZOOMs (R8, R16, R24) and the BOSS BR-80. You would not want the ZOOM R16 or R24, they're too big. The BOSS BR-80 might work for you. I remember it was built like a tank and was fun jamming around with this little thing. The downside is it has 1 Mic Line-in only (no XLR) and creating a multitrack recording was very very very complicated and confusing because you had to navigate with a tiny jog wheel. I always highly recommend the ZOOM R8. It's not that big as the R16 or R24 and it's definitely the best of the 3 models. You get 3 gears in one: portable recorder, audio interface, DAW controller. It's portable powered by 4 AAs (eneloops recommended), it has 2 Line/XLR combinations, fully adjustable drum machine with 5 different kits, very useful effects (R16 effects are more "Nintendo") and a line-in for a foot switch. This thing is really the heart of my bedroom studio. I use it for creating songs on the couch and as an interface when recording. Since it's also a DAW controller it makes working with (in my case) Cubase a little more comfortable. I bought it for about 220 EUR many years ago. The price is pending from 189 EUR up to 320 EUR. If you don't need it urgently wait for a good offer - I would not pay more than 245 EUR. Sorry I can't tell you more about field recorders - though I hope I could help you out a little. Cheers
@@einsamerwanderer6641Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate the input. Yeah, 4 tracks would basically be my mininum, 6 or 8 is probably the sweet spot for it be useful to me for anything other than field recording. I'm not sure how I wasn't aware of the R8 - it looks quite nice. For some reason I was under the impression that the R16 was the lowest model they made - so that may be a really nice solution for me both portability wise and for being able to record my musical projects. Thanks again, you may have just made my day!
Thanks for a nice review. I have been wanted to buying used one, but change my mind after watching this review. You saved my money, because I planned to use recorder with dynamic mic. Thank you once again
I posted a lengthy comment here earlier pointing out some things about this device. Hopefully it won’t “disappear” or be deleted again. Yes, this item is plastic which reduces its cost and second, it reduces weight as it is a portable device. Yes it has an intolerable built-in background hiss or noise. Nothing you can change via the menu for recording settings will lessen the hiss. Also the device will amplify and record any user handling of device while recording. So it must be positioned on a vibration free surface or a tripod. An accessory kit is available to allow device to be mounted on a typical mic stand. Any outside recording of music or nature sound will require a good wind screen added over mics. Lastly, if you have a good audio editor with a noise reduction tool the be advised of this good information. After recording something with this device - open your recording in your audio editor. Select a non-music or non-vocals portion with the hiss/noise section, copy this section. Then open your noise reduction tool. Choose clipboard as the parameter for what to remove. Play your recording to see if hiss is gone. It will be. Then save the hiss-free recording. Yes, it is a workaround but if you want a hiss free recording, this is absolutely necessary with this device. Editing out the noise from a field recording will require you first record somewhere quiet, then save say 5 or 10 seconds worth to a “hiss/noise” audio file first. Make your field recording. Then open both field recording and the hiss/noise recording at the same time in your audio editor. Copy the noise sample. Then select your field recording. Open noise reduction tool. Choose clipboard as the parameter for the noise reduction to use. Apply and check your field recording. It will be artifact free. Save your cleaned up file. Extra steps yes but doable. If you already own this device this procedure will help out. If you find a used one of these in good condition and know how to use an audio editor - consider grabbing it - as other than the irksome hiss/noise issue - it’s an affordable, overall useful and lightweight digital recorder. 😎👍🎥
I just got a FetHead Phantom today. I can confirm what you start--using the device easily improves the noise situation with my low sensitivity dynamic mics and the Behringer C-3, which is not terribly sensitive compared to other condensers. I am glad I got it and it will improve my experience with the DR40X and my other Tascam recorder. That said I have multiple uses for the FetHead beyond just lowering preamp noise on this device. I think someone starting clean is best to not worry about the FetHead and spend the extra money on a Zoom recorder with better preamps.
3:20 On the inside of the battery compartment door there’s a special place to store the small rubber stand so you don’t end up losing it. Simply press the rubber piece between the 2 plastic stems on the inside of the door and when replaced the rubber stand will never get lost while stored between the batteries 🖐😉
Also, if you want a snug fit in the tripod socket, just turn it clockwise a few times. All this said, a flip out stand or something that doesn't detach would be better and if done right, far less fiddly. It's overall a very good review. My nitpicks is that critiques and praises aren't given with any nod toward prices. Also, I thought the build quality felt fine for a $180 portable four channel recorder. Maybe the feel is different depending on whether you pick it up empty or with batteries. Weight subjectively suggest quality. (I've had cheap phones in the past that had a lead weight in the handset presumably at least partly to weight it down when they went with lighter weight speakers and microphones.)
I’m so happy i bought this device already. Your description is interesting,personally any recording devise with XLR connections under 130.00 pounds is un heard of. I got virtually Binaural sound recorded with the Y configuration kept still outside a window. Playback you can hear the direction vehicles are driving in. Almost 3D sound. I prefer this to my sony linear PCM recorder
Very nice presentation. I think English is not your first language but the clarity flow and content is excellent. Very mature voice and a job well done 👍
Like many educated Germans Julian actually speaks perfect English. Let's put it this way--he is much easier to understand in English than a certain US president ;)
thanks for this wicked video- I have a dr40 and the noise floor is outrageous! I have been doing research to figure out if this normal for the system and I think your video totally confirms my belief. I guess I live and I learn haha
Not only great tech skill with lots of numbers and figures BUT also opinions based on fact check without any brand sponsorship. Well done! I'll always follow you review!
Personally, I love the "Record" feature of not going directly into record mode, as you need to set levels before you record anyway, and if you REALLY want to jump right in and record, just press the record button twice quickly. Also, you must remember price point when reviewing these recorders, and Tascam does make more expensive recorders for more exacting professional applications. All in all, in my opinion, this is a very fine recorder for under $200.00.
Even if all companies have better recorders, they should put pre-amps and a/d d/a converters. That should be HIGH-CLASS. All other things (cheap plastic, buttons etc.) I don’t care about.
Thank you!! I nearly "upgraded" from my DR-40 assuming that _of course_ Tascam improved the preamps, how could they not?? 🤦♂️ Also- I can't believe this channel escaped me until now! I know your name from all over the TH-cam audio community, and I see why. Glad to finally be subbed! 👍
Exceptionally clear and useful video. Thank you so much for putting the time in to this. I think you saved me some money and a lot of time getting frustrated with this machine, which I was close to buying.
I'm gonna pick one up tomorrow used for $50, as I'm mostly going to use it to digitize music I record on reel to reel and 4 track cassette, it's perfect. The fa t that I can take it out and grab samples to feed into my sampler is just icing on the cake.
Great review !!! You highlighted all the points that we should know about. That rubber back piece leveler thing is ridiculous. It shows that they did care enough to improve this product so we should not either. Thanks for the your time and expertise....
Thanks for this. I was looking to replace my DR-40 because it has a few issues and I just tested the noise level and it sounds pretty much like you just showed! So I'll keep looking. I may check to see if you have any reviews on good handhelds.
I have come to trust Julian's scientific approach and objective measurements. That said I get much better quality out of this with a Behringer XM8500 dynamic mic than this review suggests I should. Perhaps my old ears and high frequency hearing loss mean I don't hear noise as much ;) My main gripe with the unit is that it's overdubbing and mixing capabilities take some time to sort out. You really need to download the full reference manual from Tascam. In short it isn't a four-track recorder in the more traditional sense as in my old Zoom H4. The process is basically overdub-bounce-overdub-bounce on track at a time. Workable, but different. I find the build quality is fine. The little rubber foot has a storage slot in the battery cover. And the Peak Reduction level control is very useful (there are other TH-cam videos that extol the virtues), but I agree that the Auto and Limiter level controls are not. Julian doesn't mention that you can power the thing through USB too using computer port, a standard phone charger, or and external battery pack. In brief I like it a bit better than Julian does. However, I am keen to invest in a fethead to see it I can improve the noise performance on this and other beloved recorders I have.
Hey, thank for sharing your experience with the DR-40X and the additional input! The reason you are much better off with the XM8500 is that it is a more sensitive microphone. Meaning, it delivers a stronger signal in comparision to many other dyanmic microphones and that's why you end up with less noise in your recording.
@@JulianKrause Thanks. A couple of other things you didn't touch on. I have been experimenting with the thing as a USB interface, and it is surprisingly good, especially when using the built in mics. My DAW is Cakewalk, and I do find it takes a lot of fiddling with the ASIO4All property settings to get down to 128kbps latency (I have a small slow laptop so I don't go lower), but it is possible. As for the internal mics, there seems to be a slight QC issue with mine. In the XY position the Y is turned in a little more than the X. This means the stereo balance seems to slightly favour the R channel when you speak or sing dead on. The average difference on the meters is only a couple of dB, and it should only be audible to obsessive audiophiles, but this device isn't cheap and I would expect this to be in better nick. Also, the sensitivity of the mic to plosives is a huge headache--a pop filter or windcover of fur or foam is an absolute must, especially if you use Peak Reduction, as I do, to manage the the gain. I still really like the thing, but I can't deny that the mic asymmetry, which I suspect does not affect every unit out there, is a tad annoying (even if it is easy to compensate for by positioning).
Exceptionally thorough overview of the DR-40X. As someone who is on a strained budget, I was looking at this for a reasonable and portable recording unit. Its high noise is not desirable as many people do listen to music and to interviews through their headsets/earbuds. Thanks for making this vid.
Ive been using the DR40 for years, still works like on day 1, and still has the noise you describe ... you need hotter mics for it (been using it with AudioTechnica). Seems the only added feature is the usage as USB sound device on Mac/PC ... Reason why i bought it back in the day: the Zooms had even worst noise floor (and dont check the crap frequency response) and you could use it with external USB batteries. And ofc around 160€ it was cheap. And even after all these years of "abuse" - even it may feel cheap - never was broken, always worked. Yeah i agree 2020 the DR40II perfomance is not acceptable anymore.
Which field recorder in the DR-40X's price range would you guys recommend if you plan to mostly use the built in mic to record band practice? Would you go with the DR-40X for that purpose or is there another make or model you would consider first? Thanks!
Thank you for this video. Have you considered the following: 01) Simple button layout 02) quality of speaker on rear 03) weight 04) low cost 05) accessory options. I think for the cost window this recorder it the best - but it works out ok.
Yes! This is a review. No stupid, annoying background-music, just a normal setup behind you.... I now own a DR-40, which has a an extremely annoying 'chirp' sound when using a phantom powered microphone. (which is basically a 'continuation' of the very bad helicopter sound many experienced back in the days and was eventually fixed by Tascam). Just tried to record a voice-over, when the chirp came on AGAIN. I was so fed up that I started looking for something different. As I can read and write with my Tascam DR-40, I thought of the DR-40X. But darn, no. This will not be my choice. About the plastic ;) My DR-40 has survived many accidental drops, including drops on the metal guards that protect the internal microphones. It has never failed to amaze me how sturdy this thing is built. The mic-guards aren't even bent!
Recently picked up two Fethead's for my DR-40 and wish I had years ago. Input volume without was around 80-90 whereas with the Fethead's it's down to 10, virtually eliminating the noise floor.
I was about to leave this same response. Comparing a $100 recorder to a $700 one. You obviously get better quality when you pay more. They design their budget devices with this in mind. I have an even cheaper version, the DR-22 WL and I love it for its size and functions, even if limited. I just clean up the his in post, I mean I'm going to do that anyway.
@@shadowsilhouette8499 The Zoom H5 (which is one of the recorders the Tascam is compared to) is not a $700 recorder, indeed it is only a bit more expensive than the Tascam. In fact, it is very important to be aware of the issue Julian points out because if you're recording, say, birdsong in the field, you may have difficulty finding a quiet enough spot to use as a basis for cleaning up the file in post.
@@djinibee2435 Current Amazon prices. DR 40x: $179 , Zoom H5 $279, F4 $444, F8 $849 SD MIX PRE-3 $680. There are other audio recorders in the Tascam's price range, but these are not them. As he mentioned you can add the Fathead Preamp ($99) and lower the dB by 22 decibels. Check his chart and see how that compares.
I’ve just fired mine up for the first time with a dynamic mic, and I’m disappointed to hear so much noise coming through. I’m so glad to have found this video because now I know why. Unfortunately, the Tascam DR-40 is not for me.
Your knowledge of electronics is obvious and I like your no-holds-barred critique style. I would definitely recommend your videos to my colleagues. 'No-nonsense' is how I describe your analysis. Good stuff here, Julian. Best Regards, Va. Cork
I'm glad you posted about the noise levels. I've got a DR-07X and am trying to record two lav mics but, for a podcast, it's just untenable. A HORRIBLE noise level. I need to find a new recorder ...
Hi Julian.. I've done nearly all my recording so far on the slightly older dr-40.. I have to say I'm really impressed with it (for it's price point).. although now I'm getting into recording a little more I really wish I'd bought the DR-100 MKIII ..
I just bought this to record rehearsals in the room and record line level and ambient (audience) from inbuilt mics during gigs. I’m sure it’ll be fine for capture ;)
This video made me cancel an order for DR-40x and instead ordered DR-70D. The preamps in the 70D are phenomenal and it has 4 xlr inputs, plus one stereo 1/8". I don't think I'll need to upgrade again.
Excellent review, I just bought one on line but maybe I'll send it back for something else. I did not like the fact of the noisy preamps, I agree that in 2019, a noisy preamp is not OK. And for God's sake this is TASCAM, Really, Say what? this is not OK! Thanx for your candid review
I appreciate this review and this brings up old nightmare about the DR-40 and Zoom H4n original... They were so similar: EIN of around -108dBu, max gain amount around 45dB, clickly buttons for gain control, and shared headphone/line out port. And bad headphone amp. Forget about driving a dynamic mic, just take Rode NTG2 for an example (-36dBV/Pa @1kHz), the noise produced by H4n and DR-40 still haunt me today. IMO the original H4n and DR-40 get a pass for their age, and Zoom did improve the game on H4nPro in 2016. Tascam c'mon, the DR-40x in 2019 with virtually no audio improvement over the original version? What is this? Anyway, thank you for this video. Not sure why it got so many dislikes compared to your other videos.
You are right, testing the DR-40X I felt like back in the times when the preamps even introduced noise to recordings with condenser mics. Oh, and the dislikes come from someone who dislike botted the video. Seems like I hurt someones feelings with an honest review...
*Subscribed* Been whatching your videos for a while now and I just got a DR05 v2 over the X version (here is a 50-55€ difference for the better screen and the usb interface). Since the preamps are the same I'm glad I didn't dish out the other 50€, maybe next time if I need XLR I may get a different brand or a DR-70D.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. I agree with you that having so much pre-amp noise is simply unacceptable in this day and age. Not being able to individually switch phantom power is also a dealbreaker, it's surely not uncommon to want to record from both condenser and dynamic mics simultaneously.
Dynamic microphones have no problem with phantom power.You can turn it on without any damage. Under no circumstances should you turn on phantom power for ribbon microphones. This destroys them.
A thorough review, and I really agree that the level meters should always be visible, and that it might as well go straight into record mode. The "armed" mode made a lot of sense on tape machines, but I don't think this device uses tape reels inside. ;) I also agree that the limiters being digital do not make sense.
Good review, but concerning Input Noise comparison it worth to mention the price of each device in the list because they are from the different price categories. Current prices on B&H: - SD MixPre-3: $650 - Zoom F4: $450 - Zoom F8: $1000 - Zoom H5: $280 - Tascam DR-40X: $170 Tascam decoders of the higher level have much better amplifiers. For example Tascam DR-60DMII ($200) has EIN rating of -120dBu (seems to be an excellent device for this price if you don't need build-in mics) and their flagship handheld recorder DR-100MKIII ($400) has EIN -124dBu with ability to record at 192kHz. BTH, SD MixPre-3 being very nice device in general has some issues with 192kHz recording according to "Most Helpful Critical Review" on B&H: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1333778-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_3_mixpre_3_mic_preamps.html/reviews The quote about cheap plastic from Tascam official site: "Despite using lightweight plastic for the body in order to keep the overall weight low ... the ribbed internal structure achieves robustness as well as its lightweight." You have inspired me on all those researches, so thanks for your video!
Hey, I was so critical about the preamp noise of the DR-40X because for nearly the same price you can get the Zoom H4n, which has an EIN of about -120dBu(A). That's the same preamp noise as the H5 and this is miles ahead of the DR-40X. Cheers!
@@JulianKrause That's a good point although Zoom H4n Pro ($220 on B&H) is still more expensive than Tascam DR-40X and Tascam DR-60DMKII. The latter has better preamps and more descent limiter function than DR-40X. And all Tascams (including the most cheap DR-05) have at least one very nice feature that Zoom recorders missed (please correct me if I'm not right about Zooms): it is so called "overdubbing" mode, when you can play a music track and simultaneously record new one over it. So, you can record each instrument and vocal one by one if you want. In models that have 4 inputs (DR-40X and above) you can choose to record a clean track or a mix, in cheaper models with 2 inputs only you can record a mix only, but you can change the input volume of the playing track and your recording sound separately. I found it very useful even in the cheapest models and for me it's a deal breaker. So, my understanding of Tascam line-up is following: From DR-05X to DR-40X/DR-44WL - low-range models with a lot of nice features and excellent sound quality for that low price, but more expensive models in that range offer more features/options, but not better sound quality; DR-60DMKII / DR-70D / DR-701D - specially designed for filmmakers, have better sound quality than lower models, good reputation on the market and very affordable price ($200-$450); DR-100MKIII - for music recording (up to 192kHz) or for everything else if you need better quality than DR-40X can provide and want handheld form factor. Has great sound quality and some extra features (like digital input). It is definitely better than Zoom H4n Pro which you've mentioned above (and Zoom H5 either if it has the same preamp noise as you say): th-cam.com/video/Difo4xr7j3w/w-d-xo.html I highly appreciate your criticism about preamp noise, it helps a lot to understand the position of each model on sound quality gradation and that understanding is not easy to get somewhere else.
Hi Julian, this might be a silly question, but what does the USB Audio Interface in this device do? Why is it handy to buy this one instead of the dr-40? Thank you.
Good review. I came to the very same conclusion after testing this device for a couple of weeks. The build in mic-pre-amps - for the use of external mics do have a very high self noise. The build-in mics are good, but very sensitive to wind-noise. Last but not least: the limiter function is useless because it's digital (meaning that it has to lower the total input first - which introduces extra noise). Next to this all, the recorder is very sensitive to RF-noise when using the build-in mics. Using a mobile phone in 1 meter from the unit, or standing in a ~50 meter range of a provider-antenna ruins your recording. That is unacceptable in my opinion.
@@AfroGelXT I have never tested that and therefore I cannot answer your question I am afraid. But now that I am here, the reliability of the unit seems fine. At this moment, and 3 years later, I am still using the Tascam. Now mainly as a back-up recorder while using the line-input XRLs. The sound quality is all right, but nothing to write home about. Still a wonderful recorder if you don't want to lose a special moment (and are using a reliable SD-card of couse). The unit itself had never let me down.
This is great work !!! Bravo. What with those "Dislike" people, what's wrong with you ??? You'd better give him applause for his work, and criticize Tascam for their poor product quality... NOT the other way round (which you did) you dumb ! This "evolution" really is disappointing from a brand with such huge R&D capabilities. They could have offered a DR-41 (or else) with the specifications pros are really in need for, when it comes to super-compact recorder... not a twin of what already exists with minor improvements. And the look of a 1990s pocket game console. When I look at the screen, it reminds me of those gaming sessions we had... all flocked on the sofa like seagulls, just to try and see what was happening on the minuscule display. It's 25 years later, but Tascam surely has some kind of nostalgic engineers in their ranks ! Tascam... give us screens, not backlit stamps !!! On each side of the device, you have about 1 cm between the actual edge of the display and the flanges of the body. Taking 'a few of this unused space for a wider screen : idea of the year (if you read this Mr Tascam). Once again... thank you Julian, you saved us (me included) lots of money with your work ! You should apply for a position at Tascam R&D departement ! ^_^
Probably because it's misleading to compare a $200 recorder to recorders costing far more. Plus it's utter BS to plug the Shure SM7B into this recorder. You don't buy a cheap Tascam to use that microphone. I have a Sound Devices MixPre3 and I have to use a Cloudlifter with that mic. This review would carry more weight if he had made it more about the difference between the $300 Zoom H5 and the $200 Tascam DR-40x. Then it would be a matter of, "do you want to pay the extra $100?" The noise level was closer between those two units. I have to laugh when he's beating up the Tascam for build quality. Wotta joke at $200! The noise floor complaint (especially old vs new) was the most valid part of the review. Too bad he didn't compare the Zoom H4n Pro. That's really the direct comparison Zoom and Tascam.
@@dollhausenx recently used the H4nPRO for live theatre caption. Was asked last minute, and had nothing available as multitrack... so borrowed that. Thankfully the thing was loud, and I got saved. This recorder also has a bad noisefloor. That alone keeps me away from buying ANY recorder at all. We're 2020, can't these guys offer clean preamps ? Not rocket-science level... just decently clean. What's the point in having fancy spec-list if first-of-first is not checked, and the raw tracks sound worse than 2000' DATs ones ? I hear what you point, but we need clean sound first... not second. Who can spend hours at the keyboard, just for cleaning and improving their tracks ? Well, for some weeks/months, we may have spare time inside... but its another story. ✋😏 He pushed the thing a tad, to see if it could handle pro gear... because Tascam claim it can. He took Tascam pretentions to the first degree... because these guys trade (our) money for (their) words. It's short on noisefloor, it's short on speclist compliance, it's short on delivering pro quality... enough known. They have the skills for a generation 3 with decent preamp stages... let's see ! 😇
Hi! Just a begginner here. I want to use this recorder to record nature sounds in quiet environments. I guess I will use the built-in mics. Would the noise you show in the video affect here? Or that noise only affects when you connect an external mic, like a dynamic one you mentioned?
Alas, I just purchased a used one. I usually revise my recordings with a audio editing program. I hope the "hiss" from the preamps can be removed with noise reduction and/or E Q settings.
That line noise as shown at 8:11 is unacceptable for my usage. I've tested across a number of mics. All the same. I'm extremely disappointed with this product and will be returning it.
I was considering buying a cheap recorder for outdoors recording but I just ended up using my Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with an android phone as a recorder. The setup can record for hours and the quality is way better than what you can get from these cheapies. However, obviously the phone costs more than a bunch of these things. Oh, and yes I figured that the Scarlett fits perfectly into a small 1/2 rack bag.
Great video. Thank you. I bought the DR-40X and very rarely use it. The reason to buy it was to spread the built-in mics, put it on a table in the centre of my music room, and face it towards my hifi speakers. This way, I assume it will record audio the way my speakers actually sound in person. I could take a line level out of my hifi system and directly plug it into the DR-40X but that would just give me a hi-res audio file on the SD card, right?. In order to share files with friends and family with music the way I hear it in my room, what best way would you suggest? I have 4 different pairs of speakers, and I want to share how they all differently sound while playing the same music from the same source. Your thoughts on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Julian, just got the DR-40X and I can assure you that the noise floor that you are experiencing is a fluke. There is little to NO noise in the one I got. I would return your unit and do another review because I feel your unit is defective giving you horrible noise. I feel people might see your review and NOT buy it which would be misleading because it is the best recorder I've had, even better than my Zoom H4n pro!
Hey, you use the recorder with a condenser or dynamic mic? With a condenser you are right, the noise is not that strong because a condenser has a decently strong output. But dynamic mics have a low sensitivity and thus you have to set the gain much higher. That's what I say in the video, the DR-40X produces an audible noise floor when used with a dynamic mic.
Small correction: In the comparison, I meant to write and say Zoom H5 and not F5.
And one more thing I want to point out: I verified the preamp noise of the DR-40X with two separate devices to eliminate the chance of testing a defective recorder.
Looks like they have changed only screen light from orange to blue in the DR40-X compare to previous DR40-V2. Can tell you though, that this device is very sturdy (it has metal reinforcements inside in right places), even it looks "cheap".
@@Mr_G Good to know that there is some reinforcement in there. It really doesn't feel like it. I guess I have to incorporate drop tests into my future reviews :)
Drop tests - oh no!
One of my professional hobby is to fix electronics - often after drop tests :)
Hi Julian, thanks for the review. But, how's the audio playback quality versus a mid-range DAP?
Hello Julian, and thank you for the great review. I'm planning to buy a cheap (under 200 Euro) recorder for ambient sound (so an A/B configuration would be preferable while the majority of them are X/Y and locked in place) and I was thinking to buy this one. However after watching your review I realized the background noise is too loud. Would you be nice to recommend me a good one? Low noise, enough fidelity. Thank you.
This is how review should be made for most of us. Straight down to business with no flares, gimmicks etc. thank you!!!
he never blinked!
Found one at 8:09 ;)
Never notice till I read your comment, 😂
He is a robot... completely digital humanoid... :)...
German engineering.
What the F....this guy ain't human
I've been using the DR-40 for +4 years. It's my No.1 choice for demoing and being creative, thanks to the great overdub / mix mode. The mics are not too brilliant or harsh, they have this slight warm touch*.
From 2012 - 2015 I "worked" mostly with the DR-05, while also trying out the Boss BR-80 and ZOOM's multitrackers R8, R16 & R24 (I still use the R8 for demos, as audio interface & DAW controller).
My first choice to grab was and still is the Tascam. I like the DR-40 a lot, but yet it's lights & shadows.I was looking forward to this upgrade, but there is rarely something new.
What's NEW:
- a slightly revised menu (EQ, Speaker & Level are now in a seperate ""E/A" folder)
- Dictation Mode (well...)
- USB Audio Interface
- 16h battery running time instead of 17h (based on 4 years of using eneloops: 8h seems realistic)
- That's it
Still NOT CHANGED:
- instead of the "play" button, the "Enter/Mark" button is in the middle
- USB port not protected like the SD slot
- display totally overloaded
- display has still 1990's Game Boy graphics
- I prefer a dial for adjusting the volume (like a good old Walkman)
- Power Supply Status has only 3 bars. That's far too vague. 5 bars would be useful, an additional display in percent would be awesome
- still not possible to change the brightness of the display, only contrast. That's ridiculous! Guys, every simple China-imported mp3 player has this function!
- still not possible to disable the annoying "Change Mic directions?" popup in the system settings when adjusting the mic
- NO accessories! Not even optional! No case, no sleeve, no bag - nothing! 10 years ago I bought a cheap Transcend mp3 player for like 40 EUR. It came with a silicon protection case, lanyard, USB cable, line cable, earbuds, 2 display protection sheets, software CD and a case. And you could even adjust the display brightness! 40 EUR! Shame on you, Tascam!
Conclusion:
If you need a great, simple recorder with brilliant mics for demoing: go fo the Tascam DR-05 V2.
If you need additional features, like XLR, full 2-track recording, mixer and you can pass on Audio Interface: go for Tascam DR-40 V2.
If you need all this AND an Audio Interface, you should rather check the ZOOM H4n Pro. It's in the same price range but it also has a Guitar Amp Simulation, Zoom G5n based Multi Effects, a Karaoke/Jam function and includes Steinberg Cubase LE & WaveLab LE Download licenses and a protective case
*I recorded "Einsamer Wanderer (QuickShot Demo)" with the DR-05 (light reverb, intro & outro with Audacity) - check out on my channel if you like
I was concerned that I may have bought my H4n Pro too soon before seeing how the DR-40X fared, but based on Julian's great review and your helpful comment, I think I made the right choice. Thank you.
Great info and thank you for providing it. Though I do have a question that you may be able to provide some clarity to...say I need a decent quality budget priced 4 track digital recorder along the lines of the H4n Pro or H5 functionally speaking, etc but have no need for included microphones. Just portable and somewhat clean preamps XLR, line in etc for field recording samples and creative noodling. Thanks for any insight you can provide - I feel like Im just wading through thick fog at this point. lol
@@theorist5497 , thanks for your kind words.
You are looking for a (portable) 4-track recorder with XLR and decent preamps, is that right?
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with recorders less than 8 tracks. Over the years I've been working with all ZOOMs (R8, R16, R24) and the BOSS BR-80. You would not want the ZOOM R16 or R24, they're too big. The BOSS BR-80 might work for you. I remember it was built like a tank and was fun jamming around with this little thing. The downside is it has 1 Mic Line-in only (no XLR) and creating a multitrack recording was very very very complicated and confusing because you had to navigate with a tiny jog wheel.
I always highly recommend the ZOOM R8. It's not that big as the R16 or R24 and it's definitely the best of the 3 models. You get 3 gears in one: portable recorder, audio interface, DAW controller. It's portable powered by 4 AAs (eneloops recommended), it has 2 Line/XLR combinations, fully adjustable drum machine with 5 different kits, very useful effects (R16 effects are more "Nintendo") and a line-in for a foot switch. This thing is really the heart of my bedroom studio. I use it for creating songs on the couch and as an interface when recording. Since it's also a DAW controller it makes working with (in my case) Cubase a little more comfortable. I bought it for about 220 EUR many years ago. The price is pending from 189 EUR up to 320 EUR. If you don't need it urgently wait for a good offer - I would not pay more than 245 EUR.
Sorry I can't tell you more about field recorders - though I hope I could help you out a little.
Cheers
@@einsamerwanderer6641Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate the input. Yeah, 4 tracks would basically be my mininum, 6 or 8 is probably the sweet spot for it be useful to me for anything other than field recording. I'm not sure how I wasn't aware of the R8 - it looks quite nice. For some reason I was under the impression that the R16 was the lowest model they made - so that may be a really nice solution for me both portability wise and for being able to record my musical projects. Thanks again, you may have just made my day!
Idk if anybody will see this but what kind of SD card do I need for this because I have a mico SD card but it's say that the card does not work
Thanks for a nice review. I have been wanted to buying used one, but change my mind after watching this review. You saved my money, because I planned to use recorder with dynamic mic. Thank you once again
Thanks for this, Julian.
You're welcome!!!
I posted a lengthy comment here earlier pointing out some things about this device. Hopefully it won’t “disappear” or be deleted again. Yes, this item is plastic which reduces its cost and second, it reduces weight as it is a portable device. Yes it has an intolerable built-in background hiss or noise. Nothing you can change via the menu for recording settings will lessen the hiss. Also the device will amplify and record any user handling of device while recording. So it must be positioned on a vibration free surface or a tripod. An accessory kit is available to allow device to be mounted on a typical mic stand. Any outside recording of music or nature sound will require a good wind screen added over mics.
Lastly, if you have a good audio editor with a noise reduction tool the be advised of this good information. After recording something with this device - open your recording in your audio editor. Select a non-music or non-vocals portion with the hiss/noise section, copy this section. Then open your noise reduction tool. Choose clipboard as the parameter for what to remove. Play your recording to see if hiss is gone. It will be. Then save the hiss-free recording. Yes, it is a workaround but if you want a hiss free recording, this is absolutely necessary with this device. Editing out the noise from a field recording will require you first record somewhere quiet, then save say 5 or 10 seconds worth to a “hiss/noise” audio file first. Make your field recording. Then open both field recording and the hiss/noise recording at the same time in your audio editor. Copy the noise sample. Then select your field recording. Open noise reduction tool. Choose clipboard as the parameter for the noise reduction to use. Apply and check your field recording. It will be artifact free. Save your cleaned up file. Extra steps yes but doable. If you already own this device this procedure will help out. If you find a used one of these in good condition and know how to use an audio editor - consider grabbing it - as other than the irksome hiss/noise issue - it’s an affordable, overall useful and lightweight digital recorder. 😎👍🎥
Another amazing contribution to TH-cam. Thanks for what you do, Julian!
I just got a FetHead Phantom today. I can confirm what you start--using the device easily improves the noise situation with my low sensitivity dynamic mics and the Behringer C-3, which is not terribly sensitive compared to other condensers. I am glad I got it and it will improve my experience with the DR40X and my other Tascam recorder. That said I have multiple uses for the FetHead beyond just lowering preamp noise on this device. I think someone starting clean is best to not worry about the FetHead and spend the extra money on a Zoom recorder with better preamps.
3:20 On the inside of the battery compartment door there’s a special place to store the small rubber stand so you don’t end up losing it. Simply press the rubber piece between the 2 plastic stems on the inside of the door and when replaced the rubber stand will never get lost while stored between the batteries 🖐😉
Also, if you want a snug fit in the tripod socket, just turn it clockwise a few times. All this said, a flip out stand or something that doesn't detach would be better and if done right, far less fiddly.
It's overall a very good review. My nitpicks is that critiques and praises aren't given with any nod toward prices. Also, I thought the build quality felt fine for a $180 portable four channel recorder. Maybe the feel is different depending on whether you pick it up empty or with batteries. Weight subjectively suggest quality. (I've had cheap phones in the past that had a lead weight in the handset presumably at least partly to weight it down when they went with lighter weight speakers and microphones.)
Thank you.
I’m so happy i bought this device already. Your description is interesting,personally any recording devise with XLR connections under 130.00 pounds is un heard of. I got virtually Binaural sound recorded with the Y configuration kept still outside a window. Playback you can hear the direction vehicles are driving in. Almost 3D sound. I prefer this to my sony linear PCM recorder
Very nice presentation. I think English is not your first language but the clarity flow and content is excellent.
Very mature voice and a job well done 👍
Like many educated Germans Julian actually speaks perfect English. Let's put it this way--he is much easier to understand in English than a certain US president ;)
thanks for this wicked video- I have a dr40 and the noise floor is outrageous! I have been doing research to figure out if this normal for the system and I think your video totally confirms my belief. I guess I live and I learn haha
Not only great tech skill with lots of numbers and figures BUT also opinions based on fact check without any brand sponsorship. Well done! I'll always follow you review!
Personally, I love the "Record" feature of not going directly into record mode, as you need to set levels before you record anyway, and if you REALLY want to jump right in and record, just press the record button twice quickly. Also, you must remember price point when reviewing these recorders, and Tascam does make more expensive recorders for more exacting professional applications. All in all, in my opinion, this is a very fine recorder for under $200.00.
It is a horror system where you can miss the dubble tap or forget it. Stupid system.
Even if all companies have better recorders, they should put pre-amps and a/d d/a converters.
That should be HIGH-CLASS.
All other things (cheap plastic, buttons etc.) I don’t care about.
Thank you!! I nearly "upgraded" from my DR-40 assuming that _of course_ Tascam improved the preamps, how could they not?? 🤦♂️
Also- I can't believe this channel escaped me until now! I know your name from all over the TH-cam audio community, and I see why. Glad to finally be subbed! 👍
Exceptionally clear and useful video. Thank you so much for putting the time in to this. I think you saved me some money and a lot of time getting frustrated with this machine, which I was close to buying.
I could listen to you for hours! Great job!
I'm gonna pick one up tomorrow used for $50, as I'm mostly going to use it to digitize music I record on reel to reel and 4 track cassette, it's perfect. The fa t that I can take it out and grab samples to feed into my sampler is just icing on the cake.
Great to see a more detailed review on this, thank you!
Thanks, man!
Best audio reviewer / tester ever!
Finally someone who does reviews that are critical. What alternatives do you recommend? Are there any similar recorders in the same price range?
Hey Julian! Great and detailed review. Really enjoying your content. Thanks!
Incredible review! Holy ****. You should create a course to teach people how to create a review. 11/10!
A great honest review, thanks Julian 😎🎙️🔊
Great review !!! You highlighted all the points that we should know about. That rubber back piece leveler thing is ridiculous. It shows that they did care enough to improve this product so we should not either. Thanks for the your time and expertise....
Woe! Exceptional review! Really unfortunate not catching this before getting a DR 40......
Thanks for your clear and very detailed review!
You do not say which are the better alternatives, but thanks, a detailed and factual review.
Thank you for the fantastic review - returned my unopened DR-40X and got the Zoom H5. So glad.
Thanks for this. I was looking to replace my DR-40 because it has a few issues and I just tested the noise level and it sounds pretty much like you just showed! So I'll keep looking. I may check to see if you have any reviews on good handhelds.
I have come to trust Julian's scientific approach and objective measurements. That said I get much better quality out of this with a Behringer XM8500 dynamic mic than this review suggests I should. Perhaps my old ears and high frequency hearing loss mean I don't hear noise as much ;)
My main gripe with the unit is that it's overdubbing and mixing capabilities take some time to sort out. You really need to download the full reference manual from Tascam. In short it isn't a four-track recorder in the more traditional sense as in my old Zoom H4. The process is basically overdub-bounce-overdub-bounce on track at a time. Workable, but different.
I find the build quality is fine. The little rubber foot has a storage slot in the battery cover. And the Peak Reduction level control is very useful (there are other TH-cam videos that extol the virtues), but I agree that the Auto and Limiter level controls are not.
Julian doesn't mention that you can power the thing through USB too using computer port, a standard phone charger, or and external battery pack.
In brief I like it a bit better than Julian does. However, I am keen to invest in a fethead to see it I can improve the noise performance on this and other beloved recorders I have.
Hey, thank for sharing your experience with the DR-40X and the additional input!
The reason you are much better off with the XM8500 is that it is a more sensitive microphone. Meaning, it delivers a stronger signal in comparision to many other dyanmic microphones and that's why you end up with less noise in your recording.
@@JulianKrause Thanks. A couple of other things you didn't touch on. I have been experimenting with the thing as a USB interface, and it is surprisingly good, especially when using the built in mics. My DAW is Cakewalk, and I do find it takes a lot of fiddling with the ASIO4All property settings to get down to 128kbps latency (I have a small slow laptop so I don't go lower), but it is possible. As for the internal mics, there seems to be a slight QC issue with mine. In the XY position the Y is turned in a little more than the X. This means the stereo balance seems to slightly favour the R channel when you speak or sing dead on. The average difference on the meters is only a couple of dB, and it should only be audible to obsessive audiophiles, but this device isn't cheap and I would expect this to be in better nick. Also, the sensitivity of the mic to plosives is a huge headache--a pop filter or windcover of fur or foam is an absolute must, especially if you use Peak Reduction, as I do, to manage the the gain. I still really like the thing, but I can't deny that the mic asymmetry, which I suspect does not affect every unit out there, is a tad annoying (even if it is easy to compensate for by positioning).
Thanks for this unbiased review
First time seeing your video. Glad to do that!
especially thank you for doing the demo with an sm57- this is the exact noise floor I get when I use it for video and I agree- it's unacceptable
U need a Klark-Teknik $30 Cloud-Lifter on the mic!
@@MrmelodyUs thankyou so much
Exceptionally thorough overview of the DR-40X. As someone who is on a strained budget, I was looking at this for a reasonable and portable recording unit. Its high noise is not desirable as many people do listen to music and to interviews through their headsets/earbuds. Thanks for making this vid.
Ive been using the DR40 for years, still works like on day 1, and still has the noise you describe ... you need hotter mics for it (been using it with AudioTechnica). Seems the only added feature is the usage as USB sound device on Mac/PC ... Reason why i bought it back in the day: the Zooms had even worst noise floor (and dont check the crap frequency response) and you could use it with external USB batteries. And ofc around 160€ it was cheap. And even after all these years of "abuse" - even it may feel cheap - never was broken, always worked. Yeah i agree 2020 the DR40II perfomance is not acceptable anymore.
Julian, don't let anyone ever criticise you, your reviews and presentation style are detailed , in-depth and professional!! Thank you :-)
Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Much appreciated!
Damn thats a lot of noise! Thx for the review!
Excellent detailed review Julian!
Thanks Michael!!!
Got a DR40 in 2015 and never looked back. I do not shoot 1 second of video without it also recording. This does not seem like a big upgrade
Which field recorder in the DR-40X's price range would you guys recommend if you plan to mostly use the built in mic to record band practice? Would you go with the DR-40X for that purpose or is there another make or model you would consider first? Thanks!
I wonder just the same. He says there are better alternatives but I wouldn't know which ones 🤔
Thank you for this video. Have you considered the following: 01) Simple button layout 02) quality of speaker on rear 03) weight 04) low cost 05) accessory options. I think for the cost window this recorder it the best - but it works out ok.
Nobody:
Asmr TH-camrs: *ILL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK*
Asmr youtubers... And 5 years ago we thought influencers and binge eaters were the pinnacle.
Yes! This is a review. No stupid, annoying background-music, just a normal setup behind you.... I now own a DR-40, which has a an extremely annoying 'chirp' sound when using a phantom powered microphone. (which is basically a 'continuation' of the very bad helicopter sound many experienced back in the days and was eventually fixed by Tascam).
Just tried to record a voice-over, when the chirp came on AGAIN. I was so fed up that I started looking for something different. As I can read and write with my Tascam DR-40, I thought of the DR-40X. But darn, no. This will not be my choice.
About the plastic ;) My DR-40 has survived many accidental drops, including drops on the metal guards that protect the internal microphones. It has never failed to amaze me how sturdy this thing is built. The mic-guards aren't even bent!
I use an SM57 for spoken word on this recorder. With a FETHEAD, I have very little noise. Great review!
Recently picked up two Fethead's for my DR-40 and wish I had years ago. Input volume without was around 80-90 whereas with the Fethead's it's down to 10, virtually eliminating the noise floor.
Exactly!
Amazingly detailed and
critical review!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
TELL IT LIKE IT IS! 🤗🤗🤗
Klasse Test! Weiter so Julian :)
Thanks for this excellent review
You should be comparing noise levels of comparably priced models.
I was about to leave this same response. Comparing a $100 recorder to a $700 one. You obviously get better quality when you pay more. They design their budget devices with this in mind. I have an even cheaper version, the DR-22 WL and I love it for its size and functions, even if limited. I just clean up the his in post, I mean I'm going to do that anyway.
@@shadowsilhouette8499 The Zoom H5 (which is one of the recorders the Tascam is compared to) is not a $700 recorder, indeed it is only a bit more expensive than the Tascam. In fact, it is very important to be aware of the issue Julian points out because if you're recording, say, birdsong in the field, you may have difficulty finding a quiet enough spot to use as a basis for cleaning up the file in post.
@@djinibee2435 Current Amazon prices. DR 40x: $179 , Zoom H5 $279, F4 $444, F8 $849 SD MIX PRE-3 $680. There are other audio recorders in the Tascam's price range, but these are not them. As he mentioned you can add the Fathead Preamp ($99) and lower the dB by 22 decibels. Check his chart and see how that compares.
I saw a TH-camr raving about the Roland r07. Have you seen it? Any other suggestions for around $200 US?
It didn't sound that noisy using the inbuilt mics just with the external dynamic mic.
I’ve just fired mine up for the first time with a dynamic mic, and I’m disappointed to hear so much noise coming through. I’m so glad to have found this video because now I know why. Unfortunately, the Tascam DR-40 is not for me.
Your knowledge of electronics is obvious and I like your no-holds-barred critique style. I would definitely recommend your
videos to my colleagues. 'No-nonsense' is how I describe your analysis. Good stuff here, Julian. Best Regards, Va. Cork
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Fabulous review, mate.
I'm glad you posted about the noise levels. I've got a DR-07X and am trying to record two lav mics but, for a podcast, it's just untenable. A HORRIBLE noise level. I need to find a new recorder ...
Very nice review. Really helpful .
Hi Julian.. I've done nearly all my recording so far on the slightly older dr-40.. I have to say I'm really impressed with it (for it's price point).. although now I'm getting into recording a little more I really wish I'd bought the DR-100 MKIII ..
I just bought this to record rehearsals in the room and record line level and ambient (audience) from inbuilt mics during gigs. I’m sure it’ll be fine for capture ;)
This video made me cancel an order for DR-40x and instead ordered DR-70D. The preamps in the 70D are phenomenal and it has 4 xlr inputs, plus one stereo 1/8". I don't think I'll need to upgrade again.
Excellent review, I just bought one on line but maybe I'll send it back for something else. I did not like the fact of the noisy preamps, I agree that in 2019, a noisy preamp is not OK. And for God's sake this is TASCAM, Really, Say what? this is not OK! Thanx for your candid review
Excellent presentation and information, thanks.
I appreciate this review and this brings up old nightmare about the DR-40 and Zoom H4n original... They were so similar: EIN of around -108dBu, max gain amount around 45dB, clickly buttons for gain control, and shared headphone/line out port. And bad headphone amp. Forget about driving a dynamic mic, just take Rode NTG2 for an example (-36dBV/Pa @1kHz), the noise produced by H4n and DR-40 still haunt me today. IMO the original H4n and DR-40 get a pass for their age, and Zoom did improve the game on H4nPro in 2016. Tascam c'mon, the DR-40x in 2019 with virtually no audio improvement over the original version? What is this? Anyway, thank you for this video. Not sure why it got so many dislikes compared to your other videos.
You are right, testing the DR-40X I felt like back in the times when the preamps even introduced noise to recordings with condenser mics.
Oh, and the dislikes come from someone who dislike botted the video. Seems like I hurt someones feelings with an honest review...
excellent presentation and informative , thanks
super nice review. thanks
very helpful review thank you
Thanks. Very complete review.
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Been whatching your videos for a while now and I just got a DR05 v2 over the X version (here is a 50-55€ difference for the better screen and the usb interface).
Since the preamps are the same I'm glad I didn't dish out the other 50€, maybe next time if I need XLR I may get a different brand or a DR-70D.
Excellent review!
Thanks a lot for the very interesting information
Great review. I sure hope Tascam is listening to this one.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. I agree with you that having so much pre-amp noise is simply unacceptable in this day and age. Not being able to individually switch phantom power is also a dealbreaker, it's surely not uncommon to want to record from both condenser and dynamic mics simultaneously.
Dynamic microphones have no problem with phantom power.You can turn it on without any damage. Under no circumstances should you turn on phantom power for ribbon microphones. This destroys them.
A thorough review, and I really agree that the level meters should always be visible, and that it might as well go straight into record mode. The "armed" mode made a lot of sense on tape machines, but I don't think this device uses tape reels inside. ;)
I also agree that the limiters being digital do not make sense.
You just made me cry. :'(
Good review, but concerning Input Noise comparison it worth to mention the price of each device in the list because they are from the different price categories. Current prices on B&H:
- SD MixPre-3: $650
- Zoom F4: $450
- Zoom F8: $1000
- Zoom H5: $280
- Tascam DR-40X: $170
Tascam decoders of the higher level have much better amplifiers. For example Tascam DR-60DMII ($200) has EIN rating of -120dBu (seems to be an excellent device for this price if you don't need build-in mics) and their flagship handheld recorder DR-100MKIII ($400) has EIN -124dBu with ability to record at 192kHz.
BTH, SD MixPre-3 being very nice device in general has some issues with 192kHz recording according to "Most Helpful Critical Review" on B&H:
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1333778-REG/sound_devices_mixpre_3_mixpre_3_mic_preamps.html/reviews
The quote about cheap plastic from Tascam official site:
"Despite using lightweight plastic for the body in order to keep the overall weight low ... the ribbed internal structure achieves robustness as well as its lightweight."
You have inspired me on all those researches, so thanks for your video!
Hey, I was so critical about the preamp noise of the DR-40X because for nearly the same price you can get the Zoom H4n, which has an EIN of about -120dBu(A). That's the same preamp noise as the H5 and this is miles ahead of the DR-40X. Cheers!
@@JulianKrause That's a good point although Zoom H4n Pro ($220 on B&H) is still more expensive than Tascam DR-40X and Tascam DR-60DMKII. The latter has better preamps and more descent limiter function than DR-40X. And all Tascams (including the most cheap DR-05) have at least one very nice feature that Zoom recorders missed (please correct me if I'm not right about Zooms):
it is so called "overdubbing" mode, when you can play a music track and simultaneously record new one over it. So, you can record each instrument and vocal one by one if you want. In models that have 4 inputs (DR-40X and above) you can choose to record a clean track or a mix, in cheaper models with 2 inputs only you can record a mix only, but you can change the input volume of the playing track and your recording sound separately. I found it very useful even in the cheapest models and for me it's a deal breaker.
So, my understanding of Tascam line-up is following:
From DR-05X to DR-40X/DR-44WL - low-range models with a lot of nice features and excellent sound quality for that low price, but more expensive models in that range offer more features/options, but not better sound quality;
DR-60DMKII / DR-70D / DR-701D - specially designed for filmmakers, have better sound quality than lower models, good reputation on the market and very affordable price ($200-$450);
DR-100MKIII - for music recording (up to 192kHz) or for everything else if you need better quality than DR-40X can provide and want handheld form factor. Has great sound quality and some extra features (like digital input). It is definitely better than Zoom H4n Pro which you've mentioned above (and Zoom H5 either if it has the same preamp noise as you say): th-cam.com/video/Difo4xr7j3w/w-d-xo.html
I highly appreciate your criticism about preamp noise, it helps a lot to understand the position of each model on sound quality gradation and that understanding is not easy to get somewhere else.
Vielen lieben Dank für dieses informative Video 👍🤝weiter so
Hi Julian, this might be a silly question, but what does the USB Audio Interface in this device do? Why is it handy to buy this one instead of the dr-40? Thank you.
Nice review J,)
Good review. I came to the very same conclusion after testing this device for a couple of weeks. The build in mic-pre-amps - for the use of external mics do have a very high self noise. The build-in mics are good, but very sensitive to wind-noise. Last but not least: the limiter function is useless because it's digital (meaning that it has to lower the total input first - which introduces extra noise). Next to this all, the recorder is very sensitive to RF-noise when using the build-in mics. Using a mobile phone in 1 meter from the unit, or standing in a ~50 meter range of a provider-antenna ruins your recording. That is unacceptable in my opinion.
I haven't had any RF problems so far but good to know. Thanks for sharing your experience with the DR-40X!
do you ever have this RF issue with external mics plugged in?
@@AfroGelXT I have never tested that and therefore I cannot answer your question I am afraid. But now that I am here, the reliability of the unit seems fine. At this moment, and 3 years later, I am still using the Tascam. Now mainly as a back-up recorder while using the line-input XRLs. The sound quality is all right, but nothing to write home about. Still a wonderful recorder if you don't want to lose a special moment (and are using a reliable SD-card of couse). The unit itself had never let me down.
@@IV0IV0IV0 thanks!
Another excellent review!
Thanks man!
Thanks for your test, the noise level is so bad to buy!
Very good review.
Excellent review my friend! I have to say... i´m gonna buy this recorder, but right after your impressions... i´ll buy a Zoom instead
Thank you very much. from Thailand.
Al right I personally think that THIS is a review.
Thanks.
Great review
This is great work !!! Bravo.
What with those "Dislike" people, what's wrong with you ??? You'd better give him applause for his work, and criticize Tascam for their poor product quality... NOT the other way round (which you did) you dumb !
This "evolution" really is disappointing from a brand with such huge R&D capabilities. They could have offered a DR-41 (or else) with the specifications pros are really in need for, when it comes to super-compact recorder... not a twin of what already exists with minor improvements. And the look of a 1990s pocket game console. When I look at the screen, it reminds me of those gaming sessions we had... all flocked on the sofa like seagulls, just to try and see what was happening on the minuscule display. It's 25 years later, but Tascam surely has some kind of nostalgic engineers in their ranks !
Tascam... give us screens, not backlit stamps !!! On each side of the device, you have about 1 cm between the actual edge of the display and the flanges of the body. Taking 'a few of this unused space for a wider screen : idea of the year (if you read this Mr Tascam).
Once again... thank you Julian, you saved us (me included) lots of money with your work ! You should apply for a position at Tascam R&D departement ! ^_^
Probably because it's misleading to compare a $200 recorder to recorders costing far more. Plus it's utter BS to plug the Shure SM7B into this recorder. You don't buy a cheap Tascam to use that microphone. I have a Sound Devices MixPre3 and I have to use a Cloudlifter with that mic. This review would carry more weight if he had made it more about the difference between the $300 Zoom H5 and the $200 Tascam DR-40x. Then it would be a matter of, "do you want to pay the extra $100?" The noise level was closer between those two units. I have to laugh when he's beating up the Tascam for build quality. Wotta joke at $200! The noise floor complaint (especially old vs new) was the most valid part of the review. Too bad he didn't compare the Zoom H4n Pro. That's really the direct comparison Zoom and Tascam.
@@dollhausenx recently used the H4nPRO for live theatre caption. Was asked last minute, and had nothing available as multitrack... so borrowed that. Thankfully the thing was loud, and I got saved. This recorder also has a bad noisefloor.
That alone keeps me away from buying ANY recorder at all. We're 2020, can't these guys offer clean preamps ? Not rocket-science level... just decently clean.
What's the point in having fancy spec-list if first-of-first is not checked, and the raw tracks sound worse than 2000' DATs ones ?
I hear what you point, but we need clean sound first... not second. Who can spend hours at the keyboard, just for cleaning and improving their tracks ?
Well, for some weeks/months, we may have spare time inside... but its another story. ✋😏
He pushed the thing a tad, to see if it could handle pro gear... because Tascam claim it can. He took Tascam pretentions to the first degree... because these guys trade (our) money for (their) words.
It's short on noisefloor, it's short on speclist compliance, it's short on delivering pro quality... enough known.
They have the skills for a generation 3 with decent preamp stages... let's see ! 😇
Thanks for that video. Verry informativ and well done.
Thanx for this video, is it possible to use the DR-40 for a webinar as a regular audio interface by connecting it to the Notebook?
Only with the DR-40X, not the older DR-40 with the yellow display
I love my dr-40x it works way better than my focusrite interface
how? i plugged it into mac but its not detected?
why better than focusrite?
Thanks for this review
Hi! Just a begginner here. I want to use this recorder to record nature sounds in quiet environments. I guess I will use the built-in mics. Would the noise you show in the video affect here? Or that noise only affects when you connect an external mic, like a dynamic one you mentioned?
Great review ... Excellent :-)
Alas, I just purchased a used one. I usually revise my recordings with a audio editing program. I hope the "hiss" from the preamps can be removed with noise reduction and/or E
Q settings.
great video
That line noise as shown at 8:11 is unacceptable for my usage. I've tested across a number of mics. All the same. I'm extremely disappointed with this product and will be returning it.
I was considering buying a cheap recorder for outdoors recording but I just ended up using my Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with an android phone as a recorder. The setup can record for hours and the quality is way better than what you can get from these cheapies. However, obviously the phone costs more than a bunch of these things. Oh, and yes I figured that the Scarlett fits perfectly into a small 1/2 rack bag.
Also depends on the mic
Great video. Thank you. I bought the DR-40X and very rarely use it. The reason to buy it was to spread the built-in mics, put it on a table in the centre of my music room, and face it towards my hifi speakers. This way, I assume it will record audio the way my speakers actually sound in person. I could take a line level out of my hifi system and directly plug it into the DR-40X but that would just give me a hi-res audio file on the SD card, right?. In order to share files with friends and family with music the way I hear it in my room, what best way would you suggest? I have 4 different pairs of speakers, and I want to share how they all differently sound while playing the same music from the same source. Your thoughts on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
You just saved a lot of my money
Julian, just got the DR-40X and I can assure you that the noise floor that you are experiencing is a fluke. There is little to NO noise in the one I got. I would return your unit and do another review because I feel your unit is defective giving you horrible noise. I feel people might see your review and NOT buy it which would be misleading because it is the best recorder I've had, even better than my Zoom H4n pro!
Hey, you use the recorder with a condenser or dynamic mic? With a condenser you are right, the noise is not that strong because a condenser has a decently strong output. But dynamic mics have a low sensitivity and thus you have to set the gain much higher. That's what I say in the video, the DR-40X produces an audible noise floor when used with a dynamic mic.