The Glamorous Duchess Who Was A Third Wheel In Her OWN Marriage | PART 1 | Georgiana Cavendish

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  • @NoelleTakestheSky
    @NoelleTakestheSky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +199

    I love that this woman so thoroughly embraced her husband’s first extramarital child, even though it annoyed everyone. She loved that child and didn’t blame her and just loved her.

  • @liiiir
    @liiiir 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    The fact that her husband had fathered a child before their marriage and she took the little girl in and loved her like her own speaks volumes about her, I think.

  • @lrs7777
    @lrs7777 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +162

    Gambling is a dangerous addiction that still destroys families.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Absolutely - I think it's very telling that not only did she obviously gravitate towards it due to her parents' gambling when she was younger, but that a lot of her mother's reprimands were centred around it. I think Margaret understood she had helped facilitate Georgiana into that lifestyle through her own actions.

    • @cyankirkpatrick5194
      @cyankirkpatrick5194 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yes it's in my family as well as alcoholism 😢

    • @ea8269
      @ea8269 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      It always does.

    • @io100x100
      @io100x100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It can also be a coping mechanism! She was probably going through so much in her personal life, it was really difficult at the time

  • @ServraghGiorsal
    @ServraghGiorsal 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    The book THE DUCHESS IS A WONDERFUL READ. I HAD TO READ IT 3 TIMES TO TRULY UNDERSTAND. THE HISTORICAL AND POLITICAL SYSTEMS OF THE TIME. AND GAMBLING WAS AN ADDICTION OF MANT OF THE ARISTOCRACY. INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND PROPERTY WAS THROWN AWAY!!😮😮

    • @theresaschuebel5151
      @theresaschuebel5151 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They made it a movie staringvKeria Knightly

  • @t.m.a.3665
    @t.m.a.3665 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +140

    Her famous descendent is non other than Princess Diana who also lived a similarly heartbreaking love & life. ❤RIP Georgiana & Princess Diana .

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Is she a descendant of her through her husband or lover?

    • @Courtneybenson907
      @Courtneybenson907 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@lilacgirl-z8wShe’s not actually her descendant, rather a many times great niece, a descendant of her brother. Some who are actually descended from her through her illegitimate daughter, Eliza, is Princess Beatrice and Eugenie, through their mother.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      She is a descendent, but not a direct one - they are related through Georgiana's brother, George.

    • @natashaa43
      @natashaa43 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople That is not the accurate use of the word 'descent' those is it, someone who is a descendent is from a straight line parent to child on through the years, they are connected by being both daughters of the House of Spencer, but nothing further.

    • @debralevin4305
      @debralevin4305 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Neither. See comments below.

  • @TheOraclePriestessRa
    @TheOraclePriestessRa 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    It's like re-watching the life of Princess Diana.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      It really is strange how many parallels there are between the two women's lives!

    • @sherioneill2983
      @sherioneill2983 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Family qualities then

    • @dawnchute7449
      @dawnchute7449 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      she was an ancestor!!

  • @JLFAN2009
    @JLFAN2009 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Diana did not descend directly from Georgiana but rather, from her brother.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Yes, she was an indirect descendent, not a lineal one. I don't think I said she was a direct descendent.

    • @JLFAN2009
      @JLFAN2009 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople When people say "descendants", without specifications, it's typically assumed to imply direct descent.

    • @reenakemp9132
      @reenakemp9132 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You sort of did. ​@@HistorysForgottenPeople

    • @Luannnelson547
      @Luannnelson547 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Indirect descendant = not a descendant. A relative.

    • @theresaschuebel5151
      @theresaschuebel5151 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      We know dear. But she is still an ancestor to Diana

  • @dancingdingo
    @dancingdingo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +394

    The film starring Kiera Knightley the Duchess is an excellent look into this

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      Kiera should have gotten an oscar!

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      It really is - I've been recommending it in other comments! ☺ It was really accurate to actual events, and the casting was spot on.

    • @JSinuYasha
      @JSinuYasha 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Thanks for the recommendation. I've had that movie on my watch list for years. Finally, got the motivation to watch it.

    • @GeminiLesbian
      @GeminiLesbian 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      9 minutes into the video, I realized this is about the Georgiana in The Duchess.

    • @deathbycheese850
      @deathbycheese850 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      I found her story absolutely heartbreaking. The Earl appeared to be able to show more affection to his dogs than his wife.

  • @debralevin4305
    @debralevin4305 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Amanda Foreman's bio of Georgiana is my favorite book of all time. Highly recommended to anyone with an interest in her or the period. Actually, according to the book, she was not a great beauty, but managed to appear so due to her style and personality.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's my FAVOURITE book about Georgiana, it's really well researched.

  • @i.p.956
    @i.p.956 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +202

    Interesting how her descendant lived the exact same life, married the exact same man and had the exact same marriage! Almost like this is a family curse.

    • @jawo8754
      @jawo8754 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Princess Diana was her 8 times great niece. Not a direct descendant.

    • @marcietorrence5361
      @marcietorrence5361 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Curse, or genetic predisposition? Reincarnation is sometimes explained as genetic memory, similar to animal instinct-memories

    • @TinaButcher-r6m
      @TinaButcher-r6m 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Not really. This is common in aristocratic families, women are still chattel to be married to the highest bidder to be a brood mare. Most aristocratic women had and still have this life

    • @NatalieG427
      @NatalieG427 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, not exact. Diana admitted to Lady Colin Campbell that SHE was the first to cheat in the marriage with Barry Manakee. In reality, Diana had many lovers. She also said she didn’t blame Camilla for the way her marriage went. That it was the “ yes” men surrounding her husband she couldn’t stand. Diana found life in the RF too stifling & wanted out, but wanted Charles to file for divorce so she could look like the victim.

    • @saltycat662
      @saltycat662 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@TinaButcher-r6m Yup. Kate Middleton is living this life. I feel sorry for her.

  • @simon112
    @simon112 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Superb as always great presentation. and narration, she was a beautiful Inteligent lady, sadly she never knew true happiness her only solace were her children and gambling, I'd like to think history looks more kindly on her now, in many ways she led a sad life and deserved far more.

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Georgiana was a beauty, can't believe her husband didn't want sex with her.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Thank you so much! ☺ You're right, I think under the glittering surface Georgiana was an extremely sad person who tried to avoid her pain by drinking and gambling.

    • @simon112
      @simon112 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople thank you HFP always a plesure 😊

    • @Odo55
      @Odo55 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not sure if she deserved more. She had a very privileged life and so what she didnt have the perfect love match. Can any of us expect to have it all ?

  • @altinaykor364
    @altinaykor364 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Wow, I can't wait to hear the rest💗
    although everyone seem to think her life is parallel with her great niece Princess Diana, which I don't completely disagree, but in her case, I find her husband much more annoying. I mean he didn't like her and didn't bother himself to show her enough respect or attention either and the love triangle thing started in the half-way through of their married life and the other woman came to her life much years later and it wasn't like her husband being obsessed with another from the start, which honestly makes it more heartbreaking, because it means he could love her, he just didn't want to or didn't bother to💔💔💔

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You're right, there's a lot of parallels, but people often try to compare them directly - which as you say, isn't quite correct. Plus Georgiana turned to gambling and alcohol to cope, which Diana didn't...although, I suppose Diana had eating disorders which could be seen as the same desperate desire for control in their own lives. And yes, William didn't even try to care about Georgiana, whereas I think the situation for Charles and Diana was different on all sides.

  • @helpinyerdasellavon
    @helpinyerdasellavon 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Thank you for this amazing rendition on Georgiana Cavendish, the glamorous Duchess of Devonshire, her fabulous style and captivating beauty made her the "It" girl of her times. The best video about her I've ever seen so far. Excellent work as always 😊❤

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you so much! ☺ She was definitely the 'It' girl of her time, it would be fascinating to go back and see her life in action, although obviously heart-breaking as well. It makes me wonder how much people actually knew or cared about the private life causing the public one?

  • @newgabe09
    @newgabe09 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    ooh.. glad there's a part 2 and it didn't just end on the cliffhanger!

  • @jenihansen7201
    @jenihansen7201 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    This was a great video. Narration was on point with the comparisons. I saw a movie on Georgiana Cavendish, and the similarity with Diana, was amazing.

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It must be a sense of justice that Georgiana is remember as a beauty and victim of a horrid husband .

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you so much! ☺ And the movie is brilliant - it's very high on accuracy which is unusual for lots of historical films.

    • @anne-marie2972
      @anne-marie2972 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HistorysForgottenPeople May I ask what is the name of this movie you are talking about 🤔 ?

    • @deathbycheese850
      @deathbycheese850 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@anne-marie2972 The Duchess, with Keira Knightley, and Ralph Fiennes.

  • @Topher86
    @Topher86 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Look at her still rockin' them heels😊

  • @greenblood64
    @greenblood64 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    THE DUCHESS is a great movie that tells this story perfectly starring Kiera Knightly.

    • @Satu-zs7gm
      @Satu-zs7gm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      if you knew anything about this story, then you'd know that the movie did a terrible job telling this story, i remembered when i first watch the movie and it didn't even make sense because it didn't, after reading their history it made more sense! the movie changed a lot of their personality made one bad one good, in reality neither of them is good or bad, infact georgiana by category is the bad one

  • @esterherschkovich6499
    @esterherschkovich6499 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    New sub here love a bit of history...which shows them to be human..even though they had lots of money...Money does not buy love...

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good to have you here! ☺And you're right, it's at least some comfort to the rest of us that money really doesn't seem to buy happiness, even though plenty of people in history have tried!

  • @JangianTV
    @JangianTV 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Excellent as always! Must confess I picked up but never finished Amanda Foreman's bio of her. Will have to finish it sometime.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you! And Foreman's biography is one of my main sources for this (and the next) video, definitely recommend finishing it if you ever get chance. It's worth it just for all the letters in there, that give Georgiana her 'voice'. ☺

    • @JangianTV
      @JangianTV 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople Noted, thank you! 😊

  • @christyhollis7909
    @christyhollis7909 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Beautifully well done. I can't believe it. You did a lot of research and taken the real time to do georgiana duchess of devonshire justice. I can't thank you enough and everyone evolved in her circle a better understanding who they too .

  • @marcietorrence5361
    @marcietorrence5361 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I love your voice, thank you for a good story

  • @monicatindercosmos
    @monicatindercosmos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Cavendish was the ancestor of Bess of Hardwick. Georgina was a contemporary of Marie Antoinette; imagine having a friendship to Mr. Fox and his parliament. She is a fabulous figure of history, and I recommend anybody dig deeper and read a biography on her to gain a deeper respect of the woman, the era, as opposed to her gambling issues, poor choices, husband, and waste of brains. Ps. She is princess Diana’s relative and had more royal blood than any of the Windsors today (who are more Germanic than English).

    • @aw6356
      @aw6356 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Can you recommend a book, I’m really interested! ❤

    • @monicatindercosmos
      @monicatindercosmos 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aw6356 It's so funny, but when my kiddos were tutored at our local library, my daughter found a section on Bes of Hardwick and Georgiana; she picked it out for me, and it was so good. Written by Amanda Foreman (Whitbread recipient) titled: Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire. It was a great biography. Amanda Foreman left nothing off the table; political intrigue, fashionistas, relationships (husband) and an insight to an incredibly spirited/kind hearted woman (anyone who accepts her husbands bastard children as her own is a hero to me), and someone who was both smart, witty but sadly, misunderstood...she brought a spark to the lives of many. My heart goes out to her b/c she was born in the wrong era; similar to Marie Antionette; both women were brilliant, but because of gender, political limitations, and massive geopolitical changes, never met their true potential. I hope you enjoy😊

    • @pedanticradiator1491
      @pedanticradiator1491 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bess was his ancestor. Can't believe how many people get ancestor and descendant the wrong way round

    • @monicatindercosmos
      @monicatindercosmos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pedanticradiator1491 I was referencing her husband; not Georgiana.

    • @pedanticradiator1491
      @pedanticradiator1491 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @monicatindercosmos Well Bess was his ancestor then he isn't an ancestor of Bess

  • @KatAdVictoriam
    @KatAdVictoriam 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I've always thought that Georgiana, her sister Harriet, her children, Lady Elizabeth and her children and those in their circle, Georgiana's niece Caroline and all of the various lovers between everyone- the entire family were such a fascinating, though highly dysfunctional bunch. I've read books about each of these people, or their writing themselves, and their social circle and I love them because they're so compelling.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You're right, they were definitely a fascinating but dysfunctional lot! Equally so were the family of Lady Elizabeth, the dynamics with her father sound ridiculous. 😂

  • @theresaschuebel5151
    @theresaschuebel5151 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Her son was known ad the bachelor of Devon. He even once hosted Queen Victoria when she was a child

  • @mymai5859
    @mymai5859 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Interesting that modern Royal Family names were close around both Georgina & Diana: George, William, Charlotte, Elizabeth, Henry/Henrietta, Harry/Harrio, Margaret, Louis

    • @moniqueengleman873
      @moniqueengleman873 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is on purpose. The Queen had to approve the names for decorum. That is why Harry and Meghan broke protocol and named their daughter what they wanted. Good for them.

    • @cinnow
      @cinnow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@moniqueengleman873awful names though. Archie for a comic character and Lilibet by appropriating the Queen's pet name. Crass.

    • @cinnow
      @cinnow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This ends abruptly. What about her famous affair with Charles Grey and their child which she had to give up?

    • @moniqueengleman873
      @moniqueengleman873 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @cinnow Archie is a Royal bloodline name. The spare so to speak
      You need to study history so all your information doesn't come from co.ic books 🙄 😒 😑

    • @mymai5859
      @mymai5859 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@moniqueengleman873 Pull your head in Parasite Meghan sugar. I was referring to how the names of the vid. from this window of history, were similar to what contemporary Princess Diana had around her.

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Speaking of Keira Knightley, today’s question is which Pride and Prejudice do you prefer? 1995 or 2005👀? Personally, I’m for 1995- it’s as accurate as one can hope- Colin Firth plays a part in my preference, icl😭- but the actors are much more carefully cast and the clothing is much more accurate- this is all just my opinion, ofc- I feel like this is one of those questions like “are you for York or Lancaster” which put people against each other and that’s not what I wish😭😭

    • @lilacgirl-z8w
      @lilacgirl-z8w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Accuracy goes 1995 version is the best.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Oh, this is an easy one - the 1995 version! ❤ It was the most accurate to the book to start with, I thought the casting was spot on, and, you know....Colin Firth. 😂 Also, I thought the costumes were the most accurate, which is always lovely.
      But basically, Colin Firth LOL.

    • @bethwilliams4903
      @bethwilliams4903 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      1995 no question and always York

    • @Eristotl3
      @Eristotl3 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      2005. I watch it 3-4 times a year since that year

    • @steampunkrose1010
      @steampunkrose1010 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2005

  • @Odo55
    @Odo55 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Very good storytelling.

  • @VoiceForTheSilenced
    @VoiceForTheSilenced 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I must know what hath prevailed! How could you conclude such a suspenseful story on such a note?! 👌

  • @dafinker3443
    @dafinker3443 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love that the real Blue blooded Spencers , far outclassed the English Royal Family ! Also They were beautiful ,tall, intelligent , and NICE 😊.

    • @toomignon
      @toomignon 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Since when are beauty and height virtues? They’re not - it’s just a genetic lottery. There is no moral superiority in what genes you get.

  • @juliecoop66
    @juliecoop66 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant, I really enjoyed your work. Thank you 🙏

  • @aka99
    @aka99 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very good video and very interestingn videos in general! But are you going to do some content about german and italian women and people too?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Definitely! I have a HUGE list of people still to cover, but I can only do one a week! 🤣

  • @goeegoanna
    @goeegoanna 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Fascinating, as always, thank you. One has to ask, why can't the aristocracy keep their legs shut? They do seem to get away with promiscuity quite freely...well, as long as they have money and power, I suppose. It seems to me that it's usually the middling sort that clutches their pearls at sexuality. Not much changes.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's funny, isn't it? It's almost as though the more money and power, the more they were able to do what they told the rest of society not to do - and then you had those in a sort of gentry class, as you say, clutching their pearls while simultaneously trying to get their children into the upper classes. 😂

    • @LollyGagger-tl9ub
      @LollyGagger-tl9ub 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not only for aristocracy can’t close their legs even the broke peasant neither can’t close their legs .

  • @BetsyRomano
    @BetsyRomano 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ❤I am not really hung up on the descendent thing, I'm enjoying the story.

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Interesting!! Idk much about her ngl, apart from Keira Knightley’s movie (which I haven’t even watched😭) and a satirical pamphlet mocking her and someone else, but it’s very interesting!! Alas now we gotta wait for part two🥲
    Have a nice week!!

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hi friend. I have A question about you: have you ever watch the fall of eagles ? It tells the story of the fall of monarchies.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh, you should DEFINITELY watch the film if you ever get chance. I watch most historical movies expecting no accuracy at all, but they really made an effort with this one. Her most recent biographer worked on it with them to get it as accurate as possible and it's really well cast.

    • @lindadeal3344
      @lindadeal3344 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@DarthDread -oh2ne I watched it in 1970 or 71 and really enjoyed it...maybe they will do a rerun I would gladly watch it again.

  • @coyotedust
    @coyotedust 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Diana Spencer is the direct descendant of Georgiana's brother Earl Spencer, making the Duchess of Devonshire her great-great-great-great-great aunt.

  • @pattywolford
    @pattywolford 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I kept thinking this all sounds familiar, then realized it was the excellent movie, The Duchess 2008.

  • @jetplane10
    @jetplane10 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a great show 🫠

  • @ГюляИбрагимова-м7ч
    @ГюляИбрагимова-м7ч 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What abt the music background? Pls, help me to find it.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The music is No.1 A Minor Waltz by Esther Abrami, available in the TH-cam audio library. ☺

  • @onemorechance2037
    @onemorechance2037 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    That first picture is what my hair looks like in the morning

  • @ElectricSoul828
    @ElectricSoul828 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She was beautiful, just like her descendant Diana. I enjoy learning about these people so much. No wonder movies and tv shows are made about them.

  • @annfisher3316
    @annfisher3316 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wonderful, thank you
    Looking forward to part two

  • @mariekastler5391
    @mariekastler5391 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't Wait for part 2!!!

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's already out! ☺Part 2 here ----> th-cam.com/video/-BGQQvPkXDU/w-d-xo.html

  • @funtimefoxy6136
    @funtimefoxy6136 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Can I ask you which Plantagenet monarch is your favorite? Which one was the most successful one and the one that had the best legacy?
    1. Henry II
    2. Richard I
    3. John
    4. Henry III
    5. Edward I
    6. Edward II
    7. Edward III
    8. Richard II

    • @bethwilliams4903
      @bethwilliams4903 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Certainly the most intriguing legacy (if lacking accurate scholarship, take note academics!) would be Richard III

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Okay, so...from best to worst;
      1. Edward III
      2. Henry II
      3. Edward I
      4. Henry III
      5. Richard II (although in fairness to him, he didn't get much opportunity to do a lot!)
      6. Richard I
      7. John
      8. Edward II
      Your second question is definitely harder! I think either Edward III or Henry II were the most successful, if measuring by what was expected of them as kings at the time. But if we're including legacy, I would say Edward III. He was a pretty good king in defending his country, supporting the economy, creating relations with allies, and he was a good husband to his queen (despite the obligatory affairs of medieval kings), and he listened to his advisors. He was seen as a strong, capable king, but was also well liked.

    • @lindadeal3344
      @lindadeal3344 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Edward 1st as I liked the dynamics between the Kingmaker and Edward and he picked a love match instead of a queen from France or another country.

  • @janerogers2101
    @janerogers2101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is that painting just before you show Althorp a depiction of Georgiana? The crescent moon is the symbol of Diana the Huntress. Was Diana named Diana as a nod to Georgiana?

  • @chasingthestorms
    @chasingthestorms 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I am a proud Spencer, we shared John as a grandfather. ❤

  • @cinnow
    @cinnow 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It was said that every man in high society found Georgina beautiful and desirable- except her husband.

  • @susanbien6957
    @susanbien6957 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The video just cuts off. Is there a part two?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Er, yup...at the end of the video I have put up a subtitle explaining when Part 2 is on. ☺

  • @charleslewis6815
    @charleslewis6815 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    These poor people they suffered so much 😢

  • @catherinenewman6516
    @catherinenewman6516 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That bio is much better than the film

  • @julzs7493
    @julzs7493 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Is the name pronounced georgeayna? I thought it was georgeeearna

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Technically, it is meant to be 'George-jay-na' (like I say it), but I've also heard people pronounce it 'George-gee-ana'. I think it's one of those names where it's taken on two different pronunciations - the second one being more modern. ☺

    • @KG-ui7ji
      @KG-ui7ji 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So did I! I'm sure it should bt pronounced Georgie- anna

  • @janice8514
    @janice8514 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! So not only did Georgina and Princess Diana have similar impacts on society, and a bad marriage, but they were both Spencer's, who lived at Althorp?? Amazing.

  • @jessicaperez1370
    @jessicaperez1370 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    So it seems mental instability may run in this family, which is not unusual; though not fully researched at this time.

  • @RobertEnsley-mt3ys
    @RobertEnsley-mt3ys 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    God, I love your voice!

  • @vivelaresistance3239
    @vivelaresistance3239 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She and her sister had 14 children between them, over a third of whom were the product of affairs. The extended family called them “Children of the Mist.” Jane Harley’s children of uncertain paternity were referred to as the “Harleian Miscellany.”

  • @kimmccabe1422
    @kimmccabe1422 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Funny how her and Princess Diana had so much in common. 3rd wheel to Camilla..and both followed by paparazzi and anorexia instead of gambling..

  • @RosHaywood
    @RosHaywood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Isn't it Georgiana (like Victoriana), rather than Georgaina?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It is traditionally 'Georg-jay-na' as I'm saying it, but there is a second modern pronunciation of it as 'Georg-gee-ana', which is likely because it's not a name that's heard spoken aloud a lot.

    • @verenamaharajah6082
      @verenamaharajah6082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Today we say the name as it’s written but in the 18th century, words and names were often pronounced differently than today. You will have noticed that many old aristocratic names are not pronounced at all how they are spelled.

  • @missm4731
    @missm4731 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It looks like Georgina and Diana had much more in common then the superficialities mentioned at the beginning: the infatuation with the media attention, the desire to be in the spotlight all the time…

  • @elizabethsmith8609
    @elizabethsmith8609 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Poor poor woman a gambling addict and a drunk and having to console herself with fashion and affairs ..had she been a common person this behavior would be frowned apon ..oh yes things havent changed that much ..let the rich do stuff its cute and excentric ..when poor well i need not use the words ...attention seaker

  • @MichelleBruce-lo4oc
    @MichelleBruce-lo4oc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hi, awesome live video history on Georgiana Spencer the Duchess of Devonshire. She is one of my favorite historical people in history. How are you doing? I'm doing well, and so is my cat Benjamin. Who is your favorite person in history? Benjamin and I always enjoy watching your history videos. Have a great day see you next video 😊

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Michelle, I'm glad you and Benjamin are doing well! My favourite person in history? It's tough to pin one person down as I like a lot of different figures, but I think my favourite is probably Empress Matilda. I'm fascinated by her entire life and how strong she was, and I think England would have turned into a very different place had she been able to become queen.

  • @77elleinad73
    @77elleinad73 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It’s bananas! 😂

  • @YDuskyCricket
    @YDuskyCricket 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What happened to her after the birth of her son?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've continued her story in Part 2. 😊

    • @YDuskyCricket
      @YDuskyCricket 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople perfect! Thanks so much!

  • @LadyJayde2122
    @LadyJayde2122 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Dutchess was an excellent portrail about this

  • @irawilliams343
    @irawilliams343 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    History repeats itself considering that her descendant, Princess Diana, suffered a very similar fate as hers.

    • @M.Campbell-Sherwood
      @M.Campbell-Sherwood 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She’s not Diana’s “descendant”. Her Brother was Diana’s descendant. Georgina is her grt, however many times, aunt. A descendant is a grandparent.

  • @patricialong5767
    @patricialong5767 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Diana Spencer's direct ancestor.

  • @SeeWoelfin
    @SeeWoelfin 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is the pronunciation of Georgiana correct?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, although there is a more modern pronunciation that is 'George-gee-ana'. 😊

    • @verenamaharajah6082
      @verenamaharajah6082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It was the pronunciation of the time.

  • @lindsaycaress450
    @lindsaycaress450 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Princess Diana was related to Georgina.

  • @onagaali2024
    @onagaali2024 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    She didn't seem very prudent,moral, or smart.

  • @ledam2654
    @ledam2654 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Princess Diana was definitely more popular than Georgianna. No comparison at all, Diana had fans on all seven continents.

  • @crocodiledundee8685
    @crocodiledundee8685 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Speaking of the American War of Independence, have you heard of Deborah Sampson?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I hadn't! I just went to look her up now, she sounds like a very interesting figure! I'm adding her to my list, thank you. ☺

  • @zabrinna6554
    @zabrinna6554 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

  • @rosecroix2467
    @rosecroix2467 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is a movie, The Duchess about her.

  • @Heothbremel
    @Heothbremel 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @EmilyGloeggler7984
    @EmilyGloeggler7984 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    She was a messed up piece of work… yeesh!

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think some of it was personality, and some of it was societal pressure as well - especially from her own parents.

  • @SofiiGolding
    @SofiiGolding 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    History repeats itself, hmmm.

  • @truthjunkie63
    @truthjunkie63 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Her husband. 🤦

  • @aw6356
    @aw6356 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great episode, but isn’t it GeorgiANA and not GeorgINA?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not saying 'Georgina', but 'George-jay-na', the original pronunciation of the name. There is now a modern pronunciation of it as 'George-gee-ana', but it's not how she would have pronounced her name at the time.

  • @joebertdaineramos7835
    @joebertdaineramos7835 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Princess Diana's ancestress!

  • @inesborstel5592
    @inesborstel5592 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

  • @jh9391
    @jh9391 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Poor little rich girl!

  • @dafinker3443
    @dafinker3443 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Late Esteemed Royal Princess Diana 🌟 came from pure stock , something that her second , now pitiful son Harry ,has obviously ignored.

  • @Sharon-fw9qw
    @Sharon-fw9qw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So she was human.

  • @beckyringkamp-wells1619
    @beckyringkamp-wells1619 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She was a great lady. Her husband and Bess not so much

  • @TrueWalker88
    @TrueWalker88 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm so confused about the pronunciation of her name. Everyone seems to say it as Georgaina but it is spelled Georgiana, like George-ee-ah-na. Even in the film about her, they were transposing the A and I. What gives?

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Welcome to random British pronunciations! 😂 Honestly, I'm not sure why the pronunciation is that way, but it definitely is - I have a friend whose little girl has the same name, and is also pronounced 'George-jay-na'. Lots of people do also say it 'George-gee-ana' now, which I think of as a modern pronunciation. Neither is wrong, but Georgiana Cavendish was alive when the first pronunciation was used, so I stuck with that. ☺

  • @zabrinna6554
    @zabrinna6554 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She looks so much like Diana

  • @stephaniecolburn
    @stephaniecolburn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My ancestor.

  • @catherinenewman6516
    @catherinenewman6516 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is her name pronounced Georgian nah and not heritage ee sh na

  • @reneecrotty6910
    @reneecrotty6910 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can see the genetics in Diana’s face

  • @LeilaniG808
    @LeilaniG808 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks like Diana!

  • @kh7794
    @kh7794 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5 minutes in and it's really unclear who this person is talking about when the 2 babies dying and gambling comes in. When I have to go back more than once, you've failed.

  • @lesleythomson2823
    @lesleythomson2823 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sorry but I can’t hear her name pronounced like that !

  • @harrietyounger6118
    @harrietyounger6118 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The nose and face shape looks like strong DNA.

  • @patricialong5767
    @patricialong5767 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn't the upper crust ladies have any morals at all??

  • @kimturner2105
    @kimturner2105 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow Charles and Diana previous karmic entanglement?

  • @claretwomey2596
    @claretwomey2596 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Georg ee ana. Not Georgaina.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No, it's not. 'Georg-gee-ana' is a modern pronunciation.

  • @antevenio8303
    @antevenio8303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Georgaina?
    Not being British ..but still "Georgiina"

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, it's not. It's pronounced like I've said it - they even pronounce it that way it in the very expensive film. 'Georgina' is different from 'Georgiana'.

  • @giuliettamassina7787
    @giuliettamassina7787 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The saying is fifth wheel, not third wheel.

  • @drebaswing5079
    @drebaswing5079 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fifth wheel. 5th wheel, not third wheel.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ?

    • @suspectsez4203
      @suspectsez4203 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Third wheel is that extra unwanted person in a relationship with a couple. Fifth wheel is that person in a group. So in this case drebasing you are wrong.

    • @merlinshouseoffreereadings4641
      @merlinshouseoffreereadings4641 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s their wheel.

  • @sonaterese799
    @sonaterese799 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This has to be yet another useless AI narration, - it is horrendous that it cannot pronounce the name of the duchess and really annoying.

    • @HistorysForgottenPeople
      @HistorysForgottenPeople  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not AI, and I am pronouncing her name correctly. They even pronounced it that way it the big budget film of her life with Keira Knightly in, for heaven's sake! 😂

    • @sonaterese799
      @sonaterese799 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HistorysForgottenPeople Well I am British and I am telling you that is NOT the correct pronounciation - it is Georgie-Anna

    • @bambina3148
      @bambina3148 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sonaterese799at that time it was pronounced George- ay- nah, not George- ee-na. The video narrator is correct.

  • @dafinker3443
    @dafinker3443 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Er Keira Knightly bad choice 👎

  • @fedmara5058
    @fedmara5058 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Still trying to trash Lady Di. You should be ashamed of yourselves.