That's actually a good reason to give the hatch away well for me of course don't know about anyone else. I know that feeling, you deserve the hatch! GG!" 😀
After well over 200 days played on Xbox I just moved to PC. My teammates leave me on the hook to die every single time and I literally cannot escape because of my garbage teammates who is self-care until everyone else is dead. The killers are also the same caliber so I think I might actually just be done with this garbage game. Lol.
If there's 1 gen left with the last survivor, I'll block hatch and force them to complete the last gen and escape through gate for the Left For Dead achievement. That's right, survivors, I will force you to get that tricky achievement!
funny you say anytime i see a baby killer in my game that dosent get a kill i let them kill me and ive seen other survs do it too its just alot more rare
@@ToxicTPlays i dont give hatch because when i lose a game i never see 1 of the 4 survivors giving me a kill, so why would i give them a free escape when i win?
I actually do give up my life when I reach the gates and it's very clear I was able to get out. And I'll just walk back to a hook and give the killer a kill. I will only do this for killers I feel like struggled a lot but didn't resort to shady tactics and if all the other survivors have left. I'm a killer main, so Im perfectly okay giving up my life. The amount of times I've done this, and the killer just picks me up and leaves me at the exit is wholesome. But we do exist.
Personally, I stopped playing DBD to win and started focusing on the moment-to-moment engagements and interactions. I don't tunnel, proxy camp, slug, chase off hook, or close hatch if the team I'm playing against aren't warranting it. To me, that stuff comes off as too sweaty, where the focus is put more on winning than anything else, and that's just not my vibe. In my perfect world everyone in the match gets to have fun playing together and then we part ways. When I down someone and they instantly DC, it just makes me a little sad. I never try to play mean unless warranted, and I hate seeing other players actions snowball the match for their teammates who don't deserve that kind of toxic behavior. I also feel confident in knowing when I've won a match, and as long as the team I'm going against isn't a swf running nightmare meta builds and playing super aggressive and in my face, I tend to be very lenient with how I treat the final survivor. I almost always give hatch since 9/10 I find it first, and I know that I could've won a 4k if I really wanted to. This emphasis on moment-to-moment, with less focus on winnings, also makes the losses easier to take. I put my focus more on learning loops, mind games, how to take chase better, counterplay, ect, and really focus on improving my moment-to-moment engagements. And I mean c'mon, baby Dwight giving you the puppy eyes for hatch? In a game where SO MANY players take this stuff way too seriously? It's a game, and anyone willing to take off their try hard pants and be a little silly deserves it imo. Running a super aggressive gen regression build with a focus on winning and making the other players miserable just isn't fun for me. I don't like when it happens to me as survivor, and I don't like being bullied as killer either. So I try to treat other players the way I wish to be treated, or at least give them ONE calm and nice game for the night. Idk that's just my perspective, not that I'm trying to change your mind! Everyone sees it differently.
@@ToxicTPlays Only seeing this 3 months later but yeah big agree. Focusing on wins as killer is an easy way to set yourself up for constant frustration, esp on certain maps that are absolute hell to go against survivors on. If you go in thinking "I'm gonna win this match" and then get raw dogged by an experienced SWF on RPD it feels horrible.
I don't expect hatch, but it's always so amazing when a killer, who has been SERIOUSLY playing against us the whole time, just looks at me and is like "I like this one. It can live" hahaha. And, I know a lot of survivors don't do this and wouldn't expect them to either, but I will generally 'play nice' with the killers I get since I like to play late at night and often don't get the most skilled players, so I will loop them for a while and if too many gens pop, I let them get a free hook state (you would be surprised how often this singular move can actually turn the game around for them and result in all of us survivors dying LMAO). Sometimes if they've really seemed to struggle, or were also nice to me at some point, I will offer the kill once my team is out or the gates are at least open or something. Many will take the offer, but a fair few will also acknowledge that I'm trying to give them some points by downing me and then carrying me to the edge of the gate. I assume some of those are just being nice, and some don't want the unfair kill, they wanted to earn it. I respect whatever choice the killers make though, I appreciate that they are willing to play the other side of the game so that I can play the side I prefer! ^ ^
The first time I ever genuinely let a survivor get hatch was when I faced a 3-man flashlight sabo squad that I absolutely destroyed with lightborn. The last guy wasn’t part of it so I didn’t see a reason to extend my wrath to him.
Sometimes I give the hatch away to the final Survivor depends on my mood though. But most of the time I give it away because I am a very humble person.
It's interesting to think that different killers spare survivors at different rates. I've never been given hatch by Clown--I've had a few PRETEND to, though--but lots of Ghostfaces and Spirits have. Heck, those killers straight give me the exit gate sometimes or want to farm. Never had a friendly Clown, Doctor or Legion. As a killer, if I spare someone depends on my mood. I also feel bad if they have multiple DCs early on, sometimes I'll just tunnel the bots and let the players go.
I'm pretty sure the devs know it's not as simple as "high kill rate = need nerf, low kill rate = need buff". You say the Nurse probably has a higher kill rate than Clown - no, she has the lowest kill rate in the game. There's a lot of context around it, such as how intuitive the killer is to play as and against. I just completely disagree that your personal contribution is in any way significant toward helping BHVR balance the game. It's like saying you're helping climate change by riding a bike instead of driving. It's a drop in the ocean. You are right about survivors waiting at the gate though. It's ridiculous that they need to be seen. And ultimately you don't need to justify not giving hatch. Personally I just think you're trading MMR for bloodpoints. By getting too many kills, your MMR raises to the point where every game is super sweaty SWF.
You make some great points. Of course the balance of the game is not based solely on kill rates. Like I said, it doesn’t make too big of a difference in the long run, but i’m sure it does skew the data at least a bit. I like your example of the bike riding and ocean. As for the sore winners, I like to utilize that time for practicing and getting better with my power rather than indulging them.
I had a somewhat recent shift in mindset on this. I used to give the last survivor hatch pretty frequently. But then I saw most survivors want to tbag at the gates and make you wait until EGC, and I realized, "Why do I bother?".
The hatch is pretty much just a survivor mechanic, i don't even think that it needs to be in the game, but i get why it is there. If you think about it, it means that one survivor gets 3 attempts at escaping: 1. Win normally by doing all gens and escaping through the gate. 2. Get to the hatch before the killer does. 3. Open the gate before the killer catches you. I think it would be fine if the endgame would just start immediately after the last survivor dies. Tho i do give hatch sometimes, i usually won't go out of my way, backpacking them until we find it, if it's close by, sure, but i don't want to artificially prolong the game.
I main Jumpscare Myers so alot of times just 2 hook all of them then let them finish the gens and leave. when I play someone else like Legion or Blight, they don't get the hatch unless their team mates were actively fucking them over all game.
why do you want to give a new player the hatch. they will earn a win for little effort and get matched against mutch stronger killers and get stomped immediatly
There are only 2 reason for me to give the survivor the hatch 1.They are a solo q survivor that have been playing well but the team they got is very trash 2.I feel bad for using a very strong killer and builds that the survivors can't counter
I think is kinda unfair that some survivors think you should give hatch to the last one, when they don't give free kills when the killer gets destroyed in a match.
I usually let survivors get the hatch in two situations: 1.I ABSOLUTELY DESTROY THEM (5 or 4 gen left no sweat), because I feel like this will boost my sbmm, so I let one escape, and because i feel sorry for such a easy win. 2. They got betrayed (this happens a lot to me). Someone uses a pallet earlier, and a survivour is left behind. Anything beside those two examples, you getting hooked, SWF? Hooked, bully squad? Hooked. "But i don't know them. I didn't choose this." I also didn't choose this, BUT HERE WE ARE. I also don't let ttv get the hatch no matter what. They are recording my failures, I will let them record theirs too.
That is a sensational video bro, I am a killer main and I always find myself in such situations where they sometimes even betray their friends to gain my trust, this video just fortifies my resolve not to act as Mr. Nice guy while they are waiting with bloodlust to T bag me so hard if they win and thank you sir for your contribution making other players understand how to play this game well.
I truly appreciate the kind words bro! Glad you enjoyed the vid and found it relatable. I try to give out a lot of tips and info on stream wherever I can. I want to raise people up, ya know?
I am the worst type of DBDer. I don't do these things every game but I evaluate the situation once the doors are open/hatch spawns. Not only will I give hatch if the game warrants it (for example they're stuck with really toxic solo queues) but I will totally offer the killer to kill me if the game warrants it (the killer had to deal with toxic asshole survives who did nothing but bully instead of trying to win, they're obviously new to the killer) I have a whole compilation of killers picking me up and throwing me out of the door which when they do this I accept it. I also have clips where I spent end game collapse helping a Billy learn to whip around the Skull Merchant's work bench cause the other survivors were total d-bag watch me leavers and it was obvious he was gonna use the time to practice. You cannot believe the amount of salt I get from other Survivors for doing that. I am also willing to die for a killer if they didn't get many hooks but it's the Anniversary and there are cakes.
I actually was spending time as Huntress practicing long shots, and had a survivor see what I was doing. They purposely climbed up to a high elevation so I could practice throwing over a wall to hit them. As well as some survivors saw me practicing throwing through cracks and holes in walls to see if I could actually get my hatchets through them, they'd stand on the other side to show me they could get hit. I let everyone leave during those matches.
i've been here since 2017 and i've never "given" anyone a free hatch or free win once in my entire life, who even cares, it's a game, why would you waste your time playing a game just to let the other side win it's like spending 20 minutes playing a chess match and resigning right before you checkmate, what the hell is the point of even playing if you do that i play, i kill, i win, or i get outplayed and they escape, we move onto the next match, like wtf dude it's not some big emotional thing, we play thousands of matches each year
I usually try to leave the best or kindest survivor for last, and generally give hatch or allow them to open a gate. I have many reasons. 1) maybe they don't deserve to lose points because their team wanted to bully, or because they were the weak link. 2) maybe they don't have to lose MMR(hatch), or they played so good they should totally go against a better killer than myself with better teammates, and not against a killer worse than myself (gate). 3) The golden rule for if I ever play survivor, because survivors recognize me. 4) Their teammate sold them out to me, so as compensation I save them. 5) Survivors one of every 12 games give me a free kill, and one of every 6 games that I lose, one or two get cocky and die to Agitation or something. But if I have an archive, they were toxic, or whatever, up the hook they go! Heck, if I bought a yellow mori and they didn't play nice, no way I give them hatch. 4:04 I seem to remember them not counting the hatch but that may have been MMR. And since I do this with all my killers, it evens out 6:42 Geography issue. In lat-am I only play brazilians and argentinians and they are all super kind and supportive. 9:39 I have 90 hours tho so that might be the problem. But i main Legion so I love to suffer. And when I don't, I play billy
6:42 Nice to hear it's not like that for all of us. Definitely depends on the time of day and region. I typically play killer at night when everyone's playing with their friends in the States and sometimes that makes them wilder.
@@ToxicTPlays Quite. But we are also known for sharing mate with randoms in parks, and having communal economies so that might be a culture factor as well
I usually don’t beg for hatch or anything unless I have a mission. But I’ve also had games where I essentially carried the whole game while everyone else kept getting hooked, and it can be pretty shitty to have that struggle and still not get out. I’ve let people go on occasion too.
You don't have to explain your actions. Survivors don't give you free kills when you're having a rough killer game. Do whatever you want. I give hatches when their team played bad but they played well. Otherwise, I'll probably close it. As Survivor, I expect it to be closed 100% of games if I don't find it.
I feel like this wouldn't be so bad is there was an altruistic option for hatch. The community took the game in this direction on its own, so developers should lean into it. Perhaps you could have an extra option to mark the hatch and reveal its aura instead of closing it. An escape through a marked hatch would count as a kill stat-wise and give both the killer and survivor bloodpoints as if they got sacrificed and survived, but it would still trigger the collapse and power the gates as normal. Leaving through a gate would count as an escape stat-wise, since survivors still have a chance to escape through gates after closing hatch. There definitely may be issues with abusing a mechanic like this (i.e. tricking survivors to come to a marked hatch to kill them, or survivors becoming even more entitled), but either the community will iron those out by creating its own "culture" around the mechanics (i.e. the culture of giving hatch), or you could add positive reinforcement to encourage altruistic behavior without forcing it. After marking a hatch, the survivor could get the same amount of bloodpoints for escaping through gate, hatch, or even dying on hook. By granting bloodpoints to a survivor who dies on hook, killers who abuse the marked hatch as a bait to kill survivors won't be as punishing. To dissuade entitlement, all options for the survivor could only grant the standard 7k "survived" bloodpoints (If not less. I think reducing it to 4k would also work well, considering that a dead survivor gets 0.) and removing the hatch bonus if the hatch is marked, while increasing the killer's "hatch closed" bonus from 250 to 2500. This would give people enough reason to continue playing normally if they didn't want to give hatch or if a survivor finds the hatch first. This would absolutely need testing and community feedback, but I think it's a good start.
Hi @JesselsBetterThanYou I think you have some great, creative ideas and I definitely agree that there needs to be a way to dissuade entitlement. I think that’s ultimately the biggest issue that causes arguments on this subject - people trying to control the way others play. Do what’s fun for you and be respectful of others - that’s what’s important. 😁
as a killer main I will give hatch to baby meg because I want them to keep playing the game I need survivors to kill ... also sometimes I will give hatch if the survivor was funny and good at memeing but 90% of the time I get toxic teabagging survs who need to die lol
I say only give the hatch if the survivor had people disconnect and ruin his match, but it's shouldn't be a given every game, like 90% of these survivors are toxic af and don't deserve the hatch
| *Killer Role* | 1º If a object + offering is a key that means all are death. 2º If the match is normal a solo escape is beneficial. 3º If the survivor it's a high MMR you should kill minors and then catch the one that should benefit from it. (no matter what 1 escape, 2 escapes - 3 escapes) 4º If the big - squad do antitunnel you should priorize kills, hooks are just numbers for your match. (that means do wathever you can the good way... had chase, the bad way just play in the basement) 5º And the last one if the solo queue surrender just play chill do wathever you like with them. | *Survivor Role* | 1º Solo Queue (A lot of rules zzz) 2º High MMR (insert text here) 3º Low MMR (insert text here) 4º Squad Team (it should be good because I don't) 5º Train a lot
Usually i dont give a hatch, i block it and patrol the gates, and when i catch the last survivor... if he bullied me, then its a sweet sweet revenge. If he did not, i let him go like "You know i won, but i gave you escape because i know how desperate it is to be last one with hatch blocked and you see how kind i am, so you wont dare to toxic anytime soon"
I usually only give hatch in one of 3 scenarios 1.) that survivor was really good and there teammates were bad 2.) their obviously a solo player and their teammates are 3 tea bagging sweats with meta builds decked out med kits or BNPs 3.) I absolutely stomped the team and am feeling generous
I wouldn't say any of these are good arguments or points. 1) The existence of sore winners should not cause you to treat all survivors the same way. It would be one thing if you recognized a player that you played against and know they are sore winner, not giving them a free hatch. But, using that as a reason to deny everyone, is just not a good point. It is saying "Because some asshole exists, f you." 2) It isn't really a 50/50. Yes, there are only two possible outcomes for who finds hatch first, but hatches aren't 50/50. As you mention, the killer can find the survivor. If it is a killer who can down the survivor in one hit, the hatch does not matter. So, the game favors the killer in that scenario (not hugely, but it does). And in the gate scenario after the killer finds the survivor requires the survivor has had time to open the gate, as it is not instant. I would say it is more like 60/40 killer favor. Not huge, but definitely a favor towards killer. 3) The fact RNG is involved is well, irrelevant. It is just the same point just using different language. This is also true of hatch offerings, both killer and survivor would know where the hatch spawns. It doesn't alter the advantages. And I have never encountered someone going "I brought the hatch offering so I should get hatch." So, the offering is just bad. 4) Yes, kill rate impact balancing, but if you regardless of killer give hatch or not, you aren't having that big of an impact unless you are playing one killer for thousands of games in the period of time. And if everyone was giving hatch more often than not, not giving hatch artificially inflates kill numbers causing the same problem you are pointing out. 5) Your best point is you don't expect it. And this is frankly weak, what you expect is just what you expect. And expectation isn't really relevant here. I can expect killers and survivors to troll, that doesn't mean I should troll too. It just not a good point. I don't expect it, therefore I don't have to give it is just weak. No one is saying what you should or shouldn't expect. 6) When I started playing, I have ended up playing against people with hundreds of if not over a thousand hours in the game. I am currently sub 250 hours as I started last year. So, I am not convinced that you never encounter baby survivors. Pretty sure you do, but it is just a rare occurrence for you. Now, I am not saying you are wrong not to give hatch. You play however the hell you want. I am just explaining that your arguments for why you do so are weak. Play as you want, there is no reason to attempt to justify it. At the end of the day, it is a game. There are more important things to be bothered by (losing because of glitches (Wiggle bar disappearing for example), people hacking, etc) then whether or not you give or don't give hatch. For me, I give hatch when either a survivor clearly had a bad game because of their teammates, they outplayed me most of the game and I just got lucky in the end game, or I see a No Mither David. No Mither David gets to live because they are either going for the achievement or playing a goofy build. Either way, they make me happy and can live. And the only other time is when I no longer care/finished my challenge or daily ritual. Also, I tend to be more forgiving during the events I play in. Like in Blood Moon, it wasn't a big deal if I won or not because I rather everyone get as much BP as possible then screw someone over.
I let them live if one of their teammates rats them out. If a survivor is being chased and suddenly shines their flashlight on another survivors hiding place for example.
I never play killer in dbd since i only play survivor to play with friends (i only play killer on customs or when a new killer comes out) so when i play i'm chill most of the time, idk if it's because of region but in South America most killers let me escape when i'm the last one so SA community i'ts also pretty chill, and that influenced a little bit on my decision to let the last survi escape. That, and i only really hunt down "pro players wannabees" and let the newbie escape, i mean i'm ok with you being pro but you don't have to be toxic about it.
I rarely give hatch or gate. My reasoning is way differant though. The way I see it, the killer giving hatch or gate is a special treat. Something you don't get to have often. Give it too often and its not SPECIAL! So I give it maybe... once a month. If I feel like it. It is a rare and special treat. I'm less likely to give hatch to a 'baby' survivor because MMR should not have placed them against me. I'm going to send them back down to face killers they have a chance to actually escape.
Nurse’s kill rate is actually really low because most people are bad with her. She’s usually around bottom 5. They aren’t ever going to buff Nurse even if her kill rate was .099999999
Yeah I was just giving a theoretical example because nurse players at high MMR are typically competitive and strong. Looking back, Nurse was probably a poor choice to use for that example
@@ToxicTPlays that’s fair, it’s funny because going by kill rates usually some of the weaker killers top the lists because there’s more players in low MMR and they use less skill intensive killers.
I was actually just looking into the top 10 killers by live killrate stats and was really surprised at the results this week. It does make sense though since the more complex and/or licensed killers typically have less data of playtime and selection than those they are free to play and simpler to pick up.
Do survivors ever give kills? I'm not talking about quitting or dying to get out of the game, but out of generosity. If not, then why would killers give escapes?
i just completed like almost every Killers Adapt. i never played Dredge, i never played Artist, so most of the time i have to rely on the good ol M1. trying to get a 4k with no powers is pretty hard. And when i didnt gift hatch, every single time the survivors told me im toxic???? (i dont tunnel, i dont camp etc) Im just trying to get my Adept man
Killer Mains: *Playing the game nicely* Survivors if they win: “Haha noob killer GG EZ get owned loser”. Survivors if they lose even after the killer was disadvantaged: “WOOOOW toxic killer carried by perks” Killer Mains: “Well played you guys are really good. 😿”
To be honest, I don't understand why the video is 10 minutes long called "why i dont give survivors hatch" just to say that you dont give hatch in a normal game, only if the game was unfair to survivors. I think that's the most normal thing, not really a hot take and many people would agree. I personally thought you never give hatch under any conditions which the title also emplies. However, I must disagree with some of the things you said. For example, you mentioned that killers like Nurse who shouldn't get buffed are getting buffs because they don't give hatch, while underpowered killers don't because they do. I don't think that's really true. Firstly, Nurse mains are much more competitive and rarely give hatch, and that applies to most of the S-tier killers. Secondly, giving hatch every 10 matches, for example, isn't going to affect the kill rates by much. The developers know Nurse is OP, but it's hard to balance her while keeping her fun to play, which also affects killers like Blight. The only way to "balance" them is to make their cooldowns longer, which makes the game very boring. I would say that giving hatch just makes the game more casual, less toxic, and more enjoyable. If you take the game as competitive without the comp rules (banned perks, etc.), the game won't be fun due to how horribly balanced it is. Additionally, I always give hatch to survivors who are making the game more fun by going for crazy plays and just wanting to have a good time. I support these players because they are playing the game how it's supposed to be played. The game doesn't have to be perfectly balanced; you just have to find what makes the game fun for yourself, which can be for many reasons, I would personally say.
The Nurse example was just a bad choice because her kill rate is garbage but she only ever gets nerfs (outside of light burn) because they know she’s OP.
The nurse thing was just a theoretical; wasn’t me trying to say we should give her a buff 😬 and I totally agree that the game should be played the way that is fun for every individual. Play however you want! There is no right or wrong way.
@noel.7449 My first response to this thread of comments was a reply to what you said here, but I think maybe it wasn't clear. I wasn't trying to say that Nurse has been getting buffs lately nor that killers who don't give hatch aren't going to get any needed buffs due to this choice. The section on balance changes was all theoretical and looking back, I think I certainly could've made that more clear and chosen better examples. Also, I found it interesting that you felt my opinion on this subject was the average opinion. A lot of my regular viewers that watch my DbD gameplay on stream have not played the game for themselves and so I haven't heard from many people in the DbD community. I therefore wasn't sure quite how far on the outside I stood on this topic. Lastly, I absolutely agree that every player should do what makes the game most enjoyable for themselves. I LOVE that you support players that get creative and make the game more fun. We need more of that respect in this community. Unfortunately, I think the current meta of the game brings a high level of competitiveness even at a casual level. I do appreciate your comments, criticism, and viewership. I'm sorry if I made you feel otherwise. I strive to maintain a respectful environment at all times amongst the members of my community.
Feels good to give people hatch in my opinion if the team was just being annoying fuck them but if it was a good match and they drop there item then they may have the hatch i agree with everything else tho great video
Honestly, I give hatch sometimes on occasions but sometimes regret it. Like the other day i had a 4k dead to rights and decided to be nice and give last dude hatch. As i was carrying him about 2m away he jumps off my shoulder, slams a pallet down on me for the stun, slides across the pallet into hatch. Its like calm down buddy i was tryna give you hatch anyways sheeesh. But honestly them doing that little stunt made me insta regret it cause it was like a slap in the face. And its not like he had no idea as i walked by a few hooks on way and didnt hook him and tried to be as obvious as i could about it.
The double iri 1s mean nothing lol, doesnt show skill in any way, thats why devs are removing depips, also the whole argument about giving the devs poor statistics makes no sense, since all good players agree that balancing around kills makes it hard to determine how good a killer really is, another thing was that nobody forced u to wait 2 minutes during end game collapse you're just spiteful and cant take a simple T-bag, you're wasting your own time - also a person with double iris that dont mean anything and 2.7k hrs
>Nobody forced you to wait 2 minutes >You just can't take a t-bag Bruh if they won't leave until they've gotten to t-bag in your face or until you smack them to leave, that's forcing you to waste your time when they could just escape and win on their end. The killer can't go next until the SURVIVOR decides to leave unless they indulge them in their poor sportsmanship, assuming they're at the exit gate and the EGC has started (which means they're guaranteed to get out no matter what the killer does)
The way the game should be balanced will always be a matter of opinion, of course. The bits about high MMR and kill statistics are simply minor examples of small things that can sometimes play a part in certain changes. Of course that won’t always be the basis of every change.
Exactly, maybe i’m just petty but I would rather spent the 2 minutes practicing killer powers and learning looping mechanics than save the time and indulge the person that’s being a sore winner. It’s making them waste their own time at that point.
@@ToxicTPlaysbut then you can’t say they ware wasting your time. You just simply don’t want them out, I am sorry but I only see the real issue that you can’t take toxicity which is „normal“ in dbd. Also I don’t get it why you only respond to comments that are positive you don’t respond to criticism
Hi @noel.7449 My point when I said "survivors waste your time" is that the game ends a lot later with you having to walk to the gate and hit every survivor (sometimes twice each) until they got knocked out of the gate than it would if they just left as soon as they were all safe. If I'm going to be spending 1-2 minutes fooling around at the exit gate trying to get them all to leave anyway, I may as well use that time as an opportunity to actually practice and get better at the killer I'm playing. At that point it's just making the decision to use that time to better myself instead of messing around and pretending like killer players enjoy that aspect of the endgame as much as the survivors do. Also, I respond to pretty much every single comment (even the criticism) and have even given people with opposing views props for arguments they made well. Thank you for your contribution to the conversation. :)
At this point make it a sweat feast because clearly people want dbd to be more comp than causal But then say its unfun when people don't know how to have fun they just sweating all the time people clearly want more comp
I think the current meta of the game unfortunately does makes it more competitive naturally, what with the high usage rate of slowdown and second chance perks.
two things. Not giving hatch is fine. But waiting for a survivor to come to the hatch before you close it is annoying. But on the flip side like you said. Survivors who don't leave the fucking match drive me crazy. I'm a survivor main but when I do play killer 20% of my play time. It happens almost every game where survivors just don't fucking leave. It's the most annoying thing. almost to the point of flaming other survivors for it. But don't get me wrong. i'm fucking sick of hostage killers. Had a game where i was held hostage from an artist for 60 minutes. I shouldn't have to leave the game because someone is a shit bag who can hold me hostage in a game. THAT ALSO INCLUDES killers who hold hostage even with the end game times. This is also a common occurrence when the timer starts they slug you and just wait for it to run out. idgaf if behavior doesn't consider this holding hostage. It is, and this community pisses me off because they are so arrogant
I never give it because i don't like when people don't play seriously, like come on just play the game give your maximum. I don't like it when people let me win, and I don't like to let people free win too. And even if you win like that, did you really win ? And if you don't win, is it because he's better or because you let him win ? Stop, can we just all agree on this : just play normally, give nothing, expect nothing to be gifted so your win is always yours and not a gift
Brother if you are playing this game serious you wont be sane after 3000 hours. The game is not supposed to get played serious also you dont let him win, winning isnt if 1 surivivor escapes also not 1 player can win its a team based game. Giving hatch is just a gesture for letting him know he played well and his team didnt. Its just symapthy for this person who did well.
I am really into playing board games, and I never liked it when my parents or sibling would let me win or have an advantage. I wouldn’t get the same satisfaction out of a win. I feel the same way about being given the hatch or given a kill. At the end of the day the killer’s objective is to kill. 💁🏼♂️
@@ToxicTPlaysyou can’t compare that which each other. Letting the other player win in a board game just shows that they are sorry for you and don’t want you to be mad or sad. In dbd giving hatch is just a compliment for the player that he played well. 2 different things.
@@noel.7449 you shouldn't expect a win just because you played well. If you did amazing, but still got outplayed it's gonna be your loss to bear. 🤷♂ and in a way, letting the last one escape is like showing pity... so the comparison seems to work fine.
@@joe20003331. I never said it should be expected I only said that it’s a sign of showing sympathy that he did his best 2. it’s not showing pity, it’s like I said a sign that he did good and he didn’t deserve to lose. No survivor will ever complain that you give hatch that’s just another sign that letting him get hatch isn’t showing pity.
I play 50/50 survivor killer. It makes me happy to get hatch, so i give hatch. If it's a tough game i won't give hatch, but if super 1 sided I might. Just because survivors might be sore winners, i don't see why that should change my behavior. Not every survivor is a sore winner, if you play sweaty after a sweaty game you are feeding the sweat cycle. "oh the killer was using meta, i better use meta" Then the next killer that gets hit with meta, plays meta. If i like someones name i might let them go. If i have some funny moment with a survivor i might let them go. If one teammate is obviously hiding like mega immersed, i might kill them and let someone else go. If survivors ask to farm, i'll farm. It's just a game, i don't need to win, improve my mmr, or help behaviors kill statistics. I want bloodpoints, fun, and a healthy endgame chat.
The other day I had this survivor team sandbag their noobie fourth survivor constantly. They somehow ended up being the only person left, so naturally I went and waited so I could give them the hatch. So they did a Gen instead without me realising, thinking they were trying to find the hatch that whole time because, well, new player. They did that Gen, Opened Door, waited out the endgame just to teabag me. Then I got banned for Gameplay Sabotage or smth.
@noel.7449 That giving them the hatch isn't worth it. Either they'll lose their item as a gift and take it, or they simply won't see the appreciation in it.
It sucks when people ruin things for everyone else. You want to do a nice thing for the one’s who you feel would benefit or appreciate it, but the opportunity is often missed or goes unnoticed. Unfortunately there seems to be a larger group of people in the DbD community sometimes that prefer to make people feel worse about a tough situation.
@@Unicobrathis is just simply false. 90% of the time when I give hatch they thank me and only 10% don’t say anything. I never had any toxicity when I gave them hatch. I played the game for 3000 hours. About 2k on killer so it’s not because I don’t play this game often.
Lol I feel you low key most of the time if I get a 4k I will just kill everyone and sometimes tho I have felt bad because I killed everyone at 4 gens sometimes I have let them live but tbh you right if you win you win imma stop being as nice lol 😅
I don't agree with the part where you say that the fourth kill affects the kill rates because if you follow this logic with every single killer, the kill rates would be higher, but the difference in between killers will be the same, however everything you say afetwards is totally on point and I couldn't have said it better
5:14 so someone Paying and bringing it into the game to use in worst case scenario means death sentence Nah man thats just being too serious when you already won 🏆 the game
But thats the problem People are taking this way too seriously and this reinforces the try hard mindset and be shitty to each other in game and get burnout and frustated Kill rates or not the justification is a flook When the devs balances things around what they think is "fun" makes everything mute 🔇 As they will do what they want to do They have the tools, resources, and community, to show them what is and isn't balanced A number on a spreadsheet is just to distract people from constructive game development and game management When they are printing money in the shop as others get distracted being unfun to each other no matter the side or situation If you want an active take on influencing the killers balance Get a Guage of skill, perks, base kit, and map knowledge and apply it and reach out in the forums and make videos
You make a point about killrates being influenced by giving hatch. This arguement makes sense exclusively if you can prove that players who play x killer sistematically have a bias toward giving hatch as opposed to another killer. If everybody gives hatch its the exact same as nobody giving hatch. Even better: if giviny hatch is completely unrelated to what killer you are playing (which to me has no reason not to be the case) is the same as not giving hatch
There’s definitely a bias. Pigs and Billy’s for example are usually “nice” killers. They’ll give hatch more often. And spirits / most high tier killers, almost never give hatch.
@@acrid2695 When I play Pig and get matched against newer survivors, my mind goes into "Lore Accurate Mode". I'll give em hats and go for 8 hooks. If I have everyone on 8 hooks and some of the survivors have hats that are active, I'll follow em around, observe while they fish for keys out of the Jigsaw Boxes (especially if they seem to not know how tf anything works) A lot my more devious Pig builds turn into wholesome interactions because most people see Plaything or Face The Darkness and expect the sweatiest Pig ever but I honestly am just a Saw fan who's happy that she's somewhat viable now lol
Yeah this is tough to prove without a record of which escapes were given and which were fought for. Obviously this isn’t going to make a huge difference in the grand scheme of devs making changes, but I feel that it does happen enough to obscure the clarity of an individual character’s “strength”
"why i dont give hatch" is such a messed up sentence, that someone even has to explain why they dont give away free wins to those they beat is.... well it shows a lot about the dbd community its completely up to if you wanna or dont on another point, the mmr system is so bad, being ranked based on kills is so exceptionally imprecise, though sadly because of killers they have made and addons, they cant really balance the game around hooks and there is no shot they are going to balance around bp
Yes unfortunately with a very popular, two team game like this there’s going to be many strong differing opinions and people arguing about it. I think as long as everyone plays the way they want without trying to appease others and is having fun playing the game, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I don't think this balance around kill rates logic is true. Reason being is nurse has the lowest kill rate in the game and she is not being buffed, and your argument pig having a high kill rate and therefore should be fine is also not correct since pig got buffed and by your own logic pig should be untouched or even nerfed (haha funny meme). Huntress got buffed and her kill rate is also fine. Give hatch or don't give it, does not phase me, I personally give it very occasionally but almost never simply because I want more BP, but this balance around stats whilst it has some truth, is definitely not as accurate as you think.
i agree with him on the hatch i can be a little more lenient it really depends on my mood and how the game went.. but the one thing i will do with out fail is if a glitch something for example the old rock glitch at in the Macmillan's estate hill traps a survivor and would be a free hook i would take them out as the killer and let them go give them a free gen or if its endgame and hatch or gates is the only option id let them go. i want my games to be fair wins, i get 0 satisfaction in a match that is glitched or cheated in the kills. if i catch a survivors team sand bagging a survivor in match i wont chase the sand bagged if anything i will let them escape and kill their team for being ass hats, i'm al ways on the watch for that kind of crap. that said if its a good game fair game all is well there is no survivor rule book i will kill by any means necessary in a proper fashion. the best way to honor a good game is to play it to the max.
I don't give survivors hatch because i play to win, i pkay both sides also, when the killer gives me a win i always go to the hook and croutch so he will just hook me, the fun of the game is the challenge for me, if you take that away its no longer fun in my eyes
I feel that same way, I want to earn my wins and ultimately I play the game the way it was intended to be played: escape and survive or hunt and kill. 🤷🏼♂️
I usually give it if I feel like or if the survivor stop wiggling. I don't think its something ppl should be upset about tho. Pretty funny and good video tho.
I was in a game and my team hid in closets I fixed all 5 Gens by myself P[PL who work alone because your team hides. I think the one who fixes the gens should get hatch or be let out.
so your excuse is that you dont always have it easy, so you wont make it easier for anyone else? cool, whatever. but who are you even justifying yourself to at this point? because it sounds more like your problem. you might as well look at it another way - sometimes the killer will give you an escape down the hatch, whether you like it or not. why dont you give to someone sometimes? yes, it makes absolutely no sense. and finally - the hatch is simply a last chance and is certainly not taken into account in the killer balancing. so your theory immediately falls apart. i also dont know where you have been for the last 3 years, but rank doesnt matter for some time now. you can get a person who has 10 hours or a person who has 10000 hours. rank 1 means nothing.
Good points made. For me i have a certain conditions for if i give the hatch: If the survivor was a good player i do let them have it (if they beg for it) But if i get a Meg begging for a hatch when all she did was hide, get downed in 10 second chases and do no objectives.. I close the hatch in their face and hook them next to it
This video has no self-proclamation or discussion of skill. Only goes over one decision that comes up in this game and the factors one might consider before making it. No reason to make assumptions about someone because of how you feel, but thanks for your input. 👎
Kinda funny match vs a ghost face where a team mate dropped the pallet right on my face and the killer got a free hook. Then for w/e reason I ended up being a turn coat and it became a 2 v 3. Always feels great when your coward team mate waits it out for the hatch and you get to watch the killer deny them. God it was satisfying to watch a Billy chainsaw an Ash player when he was a couple meters from escape.
i look at it like this, if im getting wrecked by some survivors they arent gonna hesitate to all run out of that exit and escape, i dont expect one of them to give me 1 kill to make me feel better, and i accept that. so the survivors gotta accept that im not expected to give the last survivor hatch.
Rofl your reasonning because devs look at kill rates is contradictory. By your logic, if you're not giving hatch then devs will think your killer's better than the ones giving hatch so you're shooting yourself in the foot? I don't care if you do or don't give hatch, that's your choice, I always see it as you're either killing or teabagged at endgame, but your whole reasonning for this video is pretty trivial. Kind of just seems like you're that butt hurt that you need to spread the hate for revenge reasons rather than taking things as they come.
Hi @christophersadri6464 the kill rate thing was only one reason, and I never made the claim that the devs will think killers that don’t give hatch at better than ones that do - only that it has an affect on that character’s killrate, which the devs have openly admitted they do take into account. Also, like I said, I make exceptions for people that didn’t have a fair game or where sandbagged, etc. so I don’t think it’s fair of you to say I spread the “hate”. I fully expect survivors to take their W when they earn it, so most of the time I don’t go to the exit gate b/c I fully expect them to leave and take the W. I’d rather use those few extra seconds to practice using my power, farm bp’s and all that. Call me sweaty but I enjoy seeing myself improve at the game and play better than my past self. 🤷🏼♂️
@@ToxicTPlays you said if you lose survivors would wait at the gate and that if you won you wouldn't give hatch as a direct response, showing you're generating more anger from your anger. I also never said that about devs, I said if others are giving hatch and you're not, it adds to the overall kill amounts for your killer as your killers gaining hatch kills and others may not be, meaning your killer is rated higher because of your frustrations over other killers, making devs think your killer is potentially stronger. I don't care if you agree or not, was stating the real effects your frustrations may be having on the devs possible data and alterations. Truthfully people that win a lot don't care as much about gaining every kill they can get so either way, you're more than likely hurting your own killers balance more than helping balancing at all. That's why I think your argument made no sense from the start.
Never made a claim that players at Iridescent ranks were the most skilled players in the game. I just threw that picture up as an example that players that reach such ranks more than likely aren’t brand new players. 🤷🏼♂️ Try to be respectful next time
@@ToxicTPlays No, you still don’t get it and continue looking dumb. It’s not “rank”, it’s “grade”. Back in the day it used to be rank and it had a correlation with skill, but not now. That number does not mean anything except players time invested during current season.
When I play killer I often times give hatch. If I play survivor is often times give the killer a kill. This is an exception if that player was a dickhead. I think your kill rate argument is a bit weird since BHVR doesn't know what they're doing. That whole 'balance based on kill rate' thing is one of the biggest issues with the game anyway. I respect your opinion even If I disagree. I just like the wholesome moments. Some other people in the comments (like bahuvag) have said things that I agree with. Also since giving hatch doesn't depend on the killer you play, wouldn't that mean that all of this get's evened out? Since a certain percentage of all killer players give hatch sometimes, all killrates will go down by a tiny bit. It's not like that only three characters give hatch, so their kill rates are lower... no no the other ones do that too so it's even. What you're saying doesn't make much sense but I'll keep watching. I knew you where gonna touch on that sore winner stuff and I 100% agree. Usually survivors are so cocky when they win but when they don't then the killer is expected to give them hatch... it's dumb. If dbd just had a praise system then this could be midigated. Letting you rate players at the end of the match. You get a praise token for each positive review. Getting 10 of these will give you rewards, once that goal is reached the reward will become larger next time. Bad ratings however will reduce Praise Points, with the amount of lost points being attributed to the players average Good/Bad Ratio.
Hi @NotRenjiro Seeing a lot of comments about the kill rate thing, I think I could have been a lot more clear in my point and provided better examples. First of all, thank you respectfully disagreeing! My viewpoint/opinion will never be “right” or agreed with by everyone and I honestly do want to hear ya’ll feedback and opinions too, but thank you for keeping the respect there because that’s really important in a debate. 🫶 If all different killer characters give hatch from time to time than they would definitely even out an discrepancies in the killrates for the most part. Like I said, this has a small effect on the balance of the game anyway, and has a small affect on my personal decision to give hatch. I just enjoy playing games the way they were supposed to be played. In this case: survive/kill (w/ exceptions). But I wanted to cover every outlook when looking at potential reasons other people may consider when making this decision for themselves. Finally, I LOVE your ideas about the praise system. I dont know if something like this would ever come to DbD, but I think it would be a wonderful thing to be implemented into any online PvP game to incentivize civil, respectful gameplay. Thank you for viewership and your thoughts!
@@ToxicTPlays Hello TTP I just finished a match of playing Dredge with a Mad grit build. I wanted to mori em all but decided to give the last person hatch cuz I felt like being nice. Now that girl just straight up disconnected because I stood still to read the hatch offering. And that just reminded me of this video and how I forgot to mention something. Thank you for responding but these news aren't too great (unless bhvr changed it), but hatch escapes don't count as an 'escape' for the mmr. It counts it as a 'tie' between you and that survivor, but the system detects a 3k as a win so yeah. I don't think your efforts are doing much but I understand your 'philosophy' if that makes sense. Sorry I have no idea on what to call the way we play. Now I have a question, why don't you let the really good players go? My 'philosophy' is that they especially deserve it tbh but to each their own. I really hope that bhvr reworks the endgame and 1v1/1v2 scenarios. Hatch is a really dumb mechanic. Edit: Nvm vid get's a like
Dang that’s crazy they DC’ed when you were gonna give hatch. I think for me it’s just the idea that there’s generally no appreciation for kind acts and immediate hate over the smallest inconveniences in the DbD community. At the end of the day you’ll never please everyone and that’s just human nature. I definitely have given hatch to a few legends who made me laugh, played super well, etc. Like I said, I do make exceptions.
If you don't want to watch the video, I'll summarise it: I don't give hatch becuase I have deepl rooted insecurities and I project it on people in a videogame.
Giving a hatch can also be a "you played well and your team sucks, I know that feeling, you deserve the hatch! GG!"
just gonna say this. depends doesn’t matter though
Absolutely! Like I say, there are exceptions lol
I’ve definitely done this. Honestly most games I give hatch unless I got a kill archive or something.
That's actually a good reason to give the hatch away well for me of course don't know about anyone else. I know that feeling, you deserve the hatch! GG!" 😀
After well over 200 days played on Xbox I just moved to PC. My teammates leave me on the hook to die every single time and I literally cannot escape because of my garbage teammates who is self-care until everyone else is dead. The killers are also the same caliber so I think I might actually just be done with this garbage game. Lol.
If there's 1 gen left with the last survivor, I'll block hatch and force them to complete the last gen and escape through gate for the Left For Dead achievement. That's right, survivors, I will force you to get that tricky achievement!
What a legend. ✊
Gigachad. I usually do the same but I close the hatch. I'll use your strat next time maybe
I just just them hatch cuz if the game is close you get more points. I didnt know this achievement tho. Gonna try soma time
I sometimes used to give people the hatch, but I’ve stopped, and noticed people actually believe they’re ENTITLED to it. It’s actually crazy
Yeah, I don’t feel that either team should expect it from the other side
i dont give hatch because when i lose a game i never see 1 of the 4 survivors giving me a kill, so why would i give them a free escape when i win?
funny you say anytime i see a baby killer in my game that dosent get a kill i let them kill me and ive seen other survs do it too its just alot more rare
Like I say, I don’t feel as though either side should ever “expect” it from the other team.
@@ToxicTPlays i dont give hatch because when i lose a game i never see 1 of the 4 survivors giving me a kill, so why would i give them a free escape when i win?
@profii1233 Agree on this one
I actually do give up my life when I reach the gates and it's very clear I was able to get out. And I'll just walk back to a hook and give the killer a kill. I will only do this for killers I feel like struggled a lot but didn't resort to shady tactics and if all the other survivors have left.
I'm a killer main, so Im perfectly okay giving up my life. The amount of times I've done this, and the killer just picks me up and leaves me at the exit is wholesome. But we do exist.
This is why balance should be centered around hooks instead of kills
It’s a tough call. Killers like Onryo and Executioner would have skewed results, though. Even a Michael with tombstone. Something to consider…
People farm hooks that wouldn't work either. They need to add a comp mode and casual mode to determine more accurate data for balancing
@@ToxicTPlays so factor that stat in as well
no, balance should be centered around if a character sucks ass 😭
@@i_Inquisitor balancing around hooks would show what characters suck ass genius ..
Personally, I stopped playing DBD to win and started focusing on the moment-to-moment engagements and interactions.
I don't tunnel, proxy camp, slug, chase off hook, or close hatch if the team I'm playing against aren't warranting it. To me, that stuff comes off as too sweaty, where the focus is put more on winning than anything else, and that's just not my vibe. In my perfect world everyone in the match gets to have fun playing together and then we part ways. When I down someone and they instantly DC, it just makes me a little sad. I never try to play mean unless warranted, and I hate seeing other players actions snowball the match for their teammates who don't deserve that kind of toxic behavior.
I also feel confident in knowing when I've won a match, and as long as the team I'm going against isn't a swf running nightmare meta builds and playing super aggressive and in my face, I tend to be very lenient with how I treat the final survivor. I almost always give hatch since 9/10 I find it first, and I know that I could've won a 4k if I really wanted to.
This emphasis on moment-to-moment, with less focus on winnings, also makes the losses easier to take. I put my focus more on learning loops, mind games, how to take chase better, counterplay, ect, and really focus on improving my moment-to-moment engagements.
And I mean c'mon, baby Dwight giving you the puppy eyes for hatch? In a game where SO MANY players take this stuff way too seriously? It's a game, and anyone willing to take off their try hard pants and be a little silly deserves it imo.
Running a super aggressive gen regression build with a focus on winning and making the other players miserable just isn't fun for me. I don't like when it happens to me as survivor, and I don't like being bullied as killer either. So I try to treat other players the way I wish to be treated, or at least give them ONE calm and nice game for the night.
Idk that's just my perspective, not that I'm trying to change your mind! Everyone sees it differently.
Sometimes it's nice to just turn your brain off and have fun. This game can definitely be a mental drain when you're competitive for too long.
Finally a Killer with the same mindset as me, very nice to see! 👏
if it moves, it dies
you guys waste a whole lot of emotion on video games lol
@@roflmows You're so cool and badass thank you for sharing with the class.
@@ToxicTPlays Only seeing this 3 months later but yeah big agree. Focusing on wins as killer is an easy way to set yourself up for constant frustration, esp on certain maps that are absolute hell to go against survivors on.
If you go in thinking "I'm gonna win this match" and then get raw dogged by an experienced SWF on RPD it feels horrible.
I mostly just give hatch cause I like being nice, even though I never get hatch haha
Good on you for being a nice player ✊
I don't expect hatch, but it's always so amazing when a killer, who has been SERIOUSLY playing against us the whole time, just looks at me and is like "I like this one. It can live" hahaha. And, I know a lot of survivors don't do this and wouldn't expect them to either, but I will generally 'play nice' with the killers I get since I like to play late at night and often don't get the most skilled players, so I will loop them for a while and if too many gens pop, I let them get a free hook state (you would be surprised how often this singular move can actually turn the game around for them and result in all of us survivors dying LMAO). Sometimes if they've really seemed to struggle, or were also nice to me at some point, I will offer the kill once my team is out or the gates are at least open or something. Many will take the offer, but a fair few will also acknowledge that I'm trying to give them some points by downing me and then carrying me to the edge of the gate. I assume some of those are just being nice, and some don't want the unfair kill, they wanted to earn it. I respect whatever choice the killers make though, I appreciate that they are willing to play the other side of the game so that I can play the side I prefer! ^ ^
The first time I ever genuinely let a survivor get hatch was when I faced a 3-man flashlight sabo squad that I absolutely destroyed with lightborn. The last guy wasn’t part of it so I didn’t see a reason to extend my wrath to him.
Sometimes I give the hatch away to the final Survivor depends on my mood though. But most of the time I give it away because I am a very humble person.
It's interesting to think that different killers spare survivors at different rates. I've never been given hatch by Clown--I've had a few PRETEND to, though--but lots of Ghostfaces and Spirits have. Heck, those killers straight give me the exit gate sometimes or want to farm. Never had a friendly Clown, Doctor or Legion.
As a killer, if I spare someone depends on my mood. I also feel bad if they have multiple DCs early on, sometimes I'll just tunnel the bots and let the players go.
I'm pretty sure the devs know it's not as simple as "high kill rate = need nerf, low kill rate = need buff".
You say the Nurse probably has a higher kill rate than Clown - no, she has the lowest kill rate in the game.
There's a lot of context around it, such as how intuitive the killer is to play as and against. I just completely disagree that your personal contribution is in any way significant toward helping BHVR balance the game.
It's like saying you're helping climate change by riding a bike instead of driving. It's a drop in the ocean.
You are right about survivors waiting at the gate though. It's ridiculous that they need to be seen. And ultimately you don't need to justify not giving hatch.
Personally I just think you're trading MMR for bloodpoints. By getting too many kills, your MMR raises to the point where every game is super sweaty SWF.
You make some great points. Of course the balance of the game is not based solely on kill rates. Like I said, it doesn’t make too big of a difference in the long run, but i’m sure it does skew the data at least a bit. I like your example of the bike riding and ocean. As for the sore winners, I like to utilize that time for practicing and getting better with my power rather than indulging them.
I had a somewhat recent shift in mindset on this. I used to give the last survivor hatch pretty frequently. But then I saw most survivors want to tbag at the gates and make you wait until EGC, and I realized, "Why do I bother?".
The hatch is pretty much just a survivor mechanic, i don't even think that it needs to be in the game, but i get why it is there.
If you think about it, it means that one survivor gets 3 attempts at escaping:
1. Win normally by doing all gens and escaping through the gate.
2. Get to the hatch before the killer does.
3. Open the gate before the killer catches you.
I think it would be fine if the endgame would just start immediately after the last survivor dies.
Tho i do give hatch sometimes, i usually won't go out of my way, backpacking them until we find it, if it's close by, sure, but i don't want to artificially prolong the game.
I main Jumpscare Myers so alot of times just 2 hook all of them then let them finish the gens and leave. when I play someone else like Legion or Blight, they don't get the hatch unless their team mates were actively fucking them over all game.
why do you want to give a new player the hatch. they will earn a win for little effort and get matched against mutch stronger killers and get stomped immediatly
Actually I'm pretty sure Hatch escapes don't count towards MMR gain (or they cancel out any gain)
Hatch doesn’t increase MMR
Ngl game is already hard enough for new players, dont make it more tedious than it has to be for them
There are only 2 reason for me to give the survivor the hatch
1.They are a solo q survivor that have been playing well but the team they got is very trash
2.I feel bad for using a very strong killer and builds that the survivors can't counter
I think is kinda unfair that some survivors think you should give hatch to the last one, when they don't give free kills when the killer gets destroyed in a match.
Slipknot · Custer: "THE LAST MAN STANDING GETS NO PITYYYY"
I usually let survivors get the hatch in two situations:
1.I ABSOLUTELY DESTROY THEM (5 or 4 gen left no sweat), because I feel like this will boost my sbmm, so I let one escape, and because i feel sorry for such a easy win.
2. They got betrayed (this happens a lot to me). Someone uses a pallet earlier, and a survivour is left behind.
Anything beside those two examples, you getting hooked, SWF? Hooked, bully squad? Hooked.
"But i don't know them. I didn't choose this."
I also didn't choose this, BUT HERE WE ARE.
I also don't let ttv get the hatch no matter what. They are recording my failures, I will let them record theirs too.
That is a sensational video bro, I am a killer main and I always find myself in such situations where they sometimes even betray their friends to gain my trust, this video just fortifies my resolve not to act as Mr. Nice guy while they are waiting with bloodlust to T bag me so hard if they win and thank you sir for your contribution making other players understand how to play this game well.
I truly appreciate the kind words bro! Glad you enjoyed the vid and found it relatable. I try to give out a lot of tips and info on stream wherever I can. I want to raise people up, ya know?
I don't give a hatch for a simple reason.
I don't have every single character on Prestige 3, so I need those BP.
I am the worst type of DBDer. I don't do these things every game but I evaluate the situation once the doors are open/hatch spawns.
Not only will I give hatch if the game warrants it (for example they're stuck with really toxic solo queues) but I will totally offer the killer to kill me if the game warrants it (the killer had to deal with toxic asshole survives who did nothing but bully instead of trying to win, they're obviously new to the killer) I have a whole compilation of killers picking me up and throwing me out of the door which when they do this I accept it. I also have clips where I spent end game collapse helping a Billy learn to whip around the Skull Merchant's work bench cause the other survivors were total d-bag watch me leavers and it was obvious he was gonna use the time to practice. You cannot believe the amount of salt I get from other Survivors for doing that.
I am also willing to die for a killer if they didn't get many hooks but it's the Anniversary and there are cakes.
“Worst type of DbDer”? Nah good on you for being a good sport in either outcome. ✊
I actually was spending time as Huntress practicing long shots, and had a survivor see what I was doing. They purposely climbed up to a high elevation so I could practice throwing over a wall to hit them. As well as some survivors saw me practicing throwing through cracks and holes in walls to see if I could actually get my hatchets through them, they'd stand on the other side to show me they could get hit. I let everyone leave during those matches.
Yeah those moments where everyone agrees to farm and/or practice are pretty sweet. 💚
Lmao the edits are so good. Meme inserts are very good
Thank you 😭💚
i've been here since 2017 and i've never "given" anyone a free hatch or free win once in my entire life, who even cares, it's a game, why would you waste your time playing a game just to let the other side win
it's like spending 20 minutes playing a chess match and resigning right before you checkmate, what the hell is the point of even playing if you do that
i play, i kill, i win, or i get outplayed and they escape, we move onto the next match, like wtf dude it's not some big emotional thing, we play thousands of matches each year
I usually try to leave the best or kindest survivor for last, and generally give hatch or allow them to open a gate. I have many reasons. 1) maybe they don't deserve to lose points because their team wanted to bully, or because they were the weak link. 2) maybe they don't have to lose MMR(hatch), or they played so good they should totally go against a better killer than myself with better teammates, and not against a killer worse than myself (gate). 3) The golden rule for if I ever play survivor, because survivors recognize me.
4) Their teammate sold them out to me, so as compensation I save them. 5) Survivors one of every 12 games give me a free kill, and one of every 6 games that I lose, one or two get cocky and die to Agitation or something.
But if I have an archive, they were toxic, or whatever, up the hook they go! Heck, if I bought a yellow mori and they didn't play nice, no way I give them hatch.
4:04 I seem to remember them not counting the hatch but that may have been MMR. And since I do this with all my killers, it evens out
6:42 Geography issue. In lat-am I only play brazilians and argentinians and they are all super kind and supportive.
9:39 I have 90 hours tho so that might be the problem. But i main Legion so I love to suffer. And when I don't, I play billy
6:42 Nice to hear it's not like that for all of us. Definitely depends on the time of day and region. I typically play killer at night when everyone's playing with their friends in the States and sometimes that makes them wilder.
@@ToxicTPlays Quite. But we are also known for sharing mate with randoms in parks, and having communal economies so that might be a culture factor as well
Lmao that’s fair
I usually don’t beg for hatch or anything unless I have a mission. But I’ve also had games where I essentially carried the whole game while everyone else kept getting hooked, and it can be pretty shitty to have that struggle and still not get out. I’ve let people go on occasion too.
You don't have to explain your actions. Survivors don't give you free kills when you're having a rough killer game. Do whatever you want. I give hatches when their team played bad but they played well. Otherwise, I'll probably close it. As Survivor, I expect it to be closed 100% of games if I don't find it.
Exactly.
I feel like this wouldn't be so bad is there was an altruistic option for hatch. The community took the game in this direction on its own, so developers should lean into it. Perhaps you could have an extra option to mark the hatch and reveal its aura instead of closing it. An escape through a marked hatch would count as a kill stat-wise and give both the killer and survivor bloodpoints as if they got sacrificed and survived, but it would still trigger the collapse and power the gates as normal. Leaving through a gate would count as an escape stat-wise, since survivors still have a chance to escape through gates after closing hatch. There definitely may be issues with abusing a mechanic like this (i.e. tricking survivors to come to a marked hatch to kill them, or survivors becoming even more entitled), but either the community will iron those out by creating its own "culture" around the mechanics (i.e. the culture of giving hatch), or you could add positive reinforcement to encourage altruistic behavior without forcing it. After marking a hatch, the survivor could get the same amount of bloodpoints for escaping through gate, hatch, or even dying on hook. By granting bloodpoints to a survivor who dies on hook, killers who abuse the marked hatch as a bait to kill survivors won't be as punishing. To dissuade entitlement, all options for the survivor could only grant the standard 7k "survived" bloodpoints (If not less. I think reducing it to 4k would also work well, considering that a dead survivor gets 0.) and removing the hatch bonus if the hatch is marked, while increasing the killer's "hatch closed" bonus from 250 to 2500. This would give people enough reason to continue playing normally if they didn't want to give hatch or if a survivor finds the hatch first. This would absolutely need testing and community feedback, but I think it's a good start.
Hi @JesselsBetterThanYou I think you have some great, creative ideas and I definitely agree that there needs to be a way to dissuade entitlement. I think that’s ultimately the biggest issue that causes arguments on this subject - people trying to control the way others play. Do what’s fun for you and be respectful of others - that’s what’s important. 😁
as a killer main I will give hatch to baby meg because I want them to keep playing the game I need survivors to kill ... also sometimes I will give hatch if the survivor was funny and good at memeing but 90% of the time I get toxic teabagging survs who need to die lol
Bro I've been saying this for years! Very good video, i automatically sent it to all my friends that always asked why i don't give hatch
I appreciate that! I figured other killer mains would relate lol. You’re a legend for sharing the vid, much love ✊
I say only give the hatch if the survivor had people disconnect and ruin his match, but it's shouldn't be a given every game, like 90% of these survivors are toxic af and don't deserve the hatch
| *Killer Role* |
1º If a object + offering is a key that means all are death.
2º If the match is normal a solo escape is beneficial.
3º If the survivor it's a high MMR you should kill minors and then catch the one that should benefit from it. (no matter what 1 escape, 2 escapes - 3 escapes)
4º If the big - squad do antitunnel you should priorize kills, hooks are just numbers for your match. (that means do wathever you can the good way... had chase, the bad way just play in the basement)
5º And the last one if the solo queue surrender just play chill do wathever you like with them.
| *Survivor Role* |
1º Solo Queue (A lot of rules zzz)
2º High MMR (insert text here)
3º Low MMR (insert text here)
4º Squad Team (it should be good because I don't)
5º Train a lot
Funny asf this gets recommended to me after killer gave me hatch today 😂
DbD is listening… 👂🏼
Usually i dont give a hatch, i block it and patrol the gates, and when i catch the last survivor... if he bullied me, then its a sweet sweet revenge. If he did not, i let him go like "You know i won, but i gave you escape because i know how desperate it is to be last one with hatch blocked and you see how kind i am, so you wont dare to toxic anytime soon"
I usually only give hatch in one of 3 scenarios
1.) that survivor was really good and there teammates were bad
2.) their obviously a solo player and their teammates are 3 tea bagging sweats with meta builds decked out med kits or BNPs
3.) I absolutely stomped the team and am feeling generous
I wouldn't say any of these are good arguments or points.
1) The existence of sore winners should not cause you to treat all survivors the same way. It would be one thing if you recognized a player that you played against and know they are sore winner, not giving them a free hatch. But, using that as a reason to deny everyone, is just not a good point. It is saying "Because some asshole exists, f you."
2) It isn't really a 50/50. Yes, there are only two possible outcomes for who finds hatch first, but hatches aren't 50/50. As you mention, the killer can find the survivor. If it is a killer who can down the survivor in one hit, the hatch does not matter. So, the game favors the killer in that scenario (not hugely, but it does). And in the gate scenario after the killer finds the survivor requires the survivor has had time to open the gate, as it is not instant. I would say it is more like 60/40 killer favor. Not huge, but definitely a favor towards killer.
3) The fact RNG is involved is well, irrelevant. It is just the same point just using different language. This is also true of hatch offerings, both killer and survivor would know where the hatch spawns. It doesn't alter the advantages. And I have never encountered someone going "I brought the hatch offering so I should get hatch." So, the offering is just bad.
4) Yes, kill rate impact balancing, but if you regardless of killer give hatch or not, you aren't having that big of an impact unless you are playing one killer for thousands of games in the period of time. And if everyone was giving hatch more often than not, not giving hatch artificially inflates kill numbers causing the same problem you are pointing out.
5) Your best point is you don't expect it. And this is frankly weak, what you expect is just what you expect. And expectation isn't really relevant here. I can expect killers and survivors to troll, that doesn't mean I should troll too. It just not a good point. I don't expect it, therefore I don't have to give it is just weak. No one is saying what you should or shouldn't expect.
6) When I started playing, I have ended up playing against people with hundreds of if not over a thousand hours in the game. I am currently sub 250 hours as I started last year. So, I am not convinced that you never encounter baby survivors. Pretty sure you do, but it is just a rare occurrence for you.
Now, I am not saying you are wrong not to give hatch. You play however the hell you want. I am just explaining that your arguments for why you do so are weak. Play as you want, there is no reason to attempt to justify it. At the end of the day, it is a game. There are more important things to be bothered by (losing because of glitches (Wiggle bar disappearing for example), people hacking, etc) then whether or not you give or don't give hatch.
For me, I give hatch when either a survivor clearly had a bad game because of their teammates, they outplayed me most of the game and I just got lucky in the end game, or I see a No Mither David. No Mither David gets to live because they are either going for the achievement or playing a goofy build. Either way, they make me happy and can live. And the only other time is when I no longer care/finished my challenge or daily ritual. Also, I tend to be more forgiving during the events I play in. Like in Blood Moon, it wasn't a big deal if I won or not because I rather everyone get as much BP as possible then screw someone over.
(i ain't read shit)
ok
The editing for this was funny af
@GeneralSinner Thanks man I'm glad you enjoyed! I had fun making this one for sure...
I let them live if one of their teammates rats them out. If a survivor is being chased and suddenly shines their flashlight on another survivors hiding place for example.
I never play killer in dbd since i only play survivor to play with friends (i only play killer on customs or when a new killer comes out) so when i play i'm chill most of the time, idk if it's because of region but in South America most killers let me escape when i'm the last one so SA community i'ts also pretty chill, and that influenced a little bit on my decision to let the last survi escape.
That, and i only really hunt down "pro players wannabees" and let the newbie escape, i mean i'm ok with you being pro but you don't have to be toxic about it.
I rarely give hatch or gate. My reasoning is way differant though. The way I see it, the killer giving hatch or gate is a special treat. Something you don't get to have often. Give it too often and its not SPECIAL! So I give it maybe... once a month. If I feel like it. It is a rare and special treat.
I'm less likely to give hatch to a 'baby' survivor because MMR should not have placed them against me. I'm going to send them back down to face killers they have a chance to actually escape.
Nurse’s kill rate is actually really low because most people are bad with her. She’s usually around bottom 5. They aren’t ever going to buff Nurse even if her kill rate was .099999999
Yeah I was just giving a theoretical example because nurse players at high MMR are typically competitive and strong. Looking back, Nurse was probably a poor choice to use for that example
@@ToxicTPlays that’s fair, it’s funny because going by kill rates usually some of the weaker killers top the lists because there’s more players in low MMR and they use less skill intensive killers.
I was actually just looking into the top 10 killers by live killrate stats and was really surprised at the results this week. It does make sense though since the more complex and/or licensed killers typically have less data of playtime and selection than those they are free to play and simpler to pick up.
Do survivors ever give kills? I'm not talking about quitting or dying to get out of the game, but out of generosity. If not, then why would killers give escapes?
i just completed like almost every Killers Adapt. i never played Dredge, i never played Artist, so most of the time i have to rely on the good ol M1.
trying to get a 4k with no powers is pretty hard. And when i didnt gift hatch, every single time the survivors told me im toxic???? (i dont tunnel, i dont camp etc)
Im just trying to get my Adept man
Killer Mains: *Playing the game nicely*
Survivors if they win: “Haha noob killer GG EZ get owned loser”.
Survivors if they lose even after the killer was disadvantaged: “WOOOOW toxic killer carried by perks”
Killer Mains: “Well played you guys are really good. 😿”
To be honest, I don't understand why the video is 10 minutes long called "why i dont give survivors hatch" just to say that you dont give hatch in a normal game, only if the game was unfair to survivors. I think that's the most normal thing, not really a hot take and many people would agree. I personally thought you never give hatch under any conditions which the title also emplies. However, I must disagree with some of the things you said. For example, you mentioned that killers like Nurse who shouldn't get buffed are getting buffs because they don't give hatch, while underpowered killers don't because they do. I don't think that's really true. Firstly, Nurse mains are much more competitive and rarely give hatch, and that applies to most of the S-tier killers. Secondly, giving hatch every 10 matches, for example, isn't going to affect the kill rates by much. The developers know Nurse is OP, but it's hard to balance her while keeping her fun to play, which also affects killers like Blight. The only way to "balance" them is to make their cooldowns longer, which makes the game very boring.
I would say that giving hatch just makes the game more casual, less toxic, and more enjoyable. If you take the game as competitive without the comp rules (banned perks, etc.), the game won't be fun due to how horribly balanced it is. Additionally, I always give hatch to survivors who are making the game more fun by going for crazy plays and just wanting to have a good time. I support these players because they are playing the game how it's supposed to be played. The game doesn't have to be perfectly balanced; you just have to find what makes the game fun for yourself, which can be for many reasons, I would personally say.
Idk why this comment is the length of my phone
The Nurse example was just a bad choice because her kill rate is garbage but she only ever gets nerfs (outside of light burn) because they know she’s OP.
The nurse thing was just a theoretical; wasn’t me trying to say we should give her a buff 😬 and I totally agree that the game should be played the way that is fun for every individual. Play however you want! There is no right or wrong way.
@@ToxicTPlays oh I know you weren’t suggesting she get a buff. Though I wish we could get more blinks to make that trophy easier lol
@noel.7449 My first response to this thread of comments was a reply to what you said here, but I think maybe it wasn't clear. I wasn't trying to say that Nurse has been getting buffs lately nor that killers who don't give hatch aren't going to get any needed buffs due to this choice. The section on balance changes was all theoretical and looking back, I think I certainly could've made that more clear and chosen better examples. Also, I found it interesting that you felt my opinion on this subject was the average opinion. A lot of my regular viewers that watch my DbD gameplay on stream have not played the game for themselves and so I haven't heard from many people in the DbD community. I therefore wasn't sure quite how far on the outside I stood on this topic.
Lastly, I absolutely agree that every player should do what makes the game most enjoyable for themselves. I LOVE that you support players that get creative and make the game more fun. We need more of that respect in this community. Unfortunately, I think the current meta of the game brings a high level of competitiveness even at a casual level.
I do appreciate your comments, criticism, and viewership. I'm sorry if I made you feel otherwise. I strive to maintain a respectful environment at all times amongst the members of my community.
Feels good to give people hatch in my opinion if the team was just being annoying fuck them but if it was a good match and they drop there item then they may have the hatch i agree with everything else tho great video
Honestly, I give hatch sometimes on occasions but sometimes regret it. Like the other day i had a 4k dead to rights and decided to be nice and give last dude hatch. As i was carrying him about 2m away he jumps off my shoulder, slams a pallet down on me for the stun, slides across the pallet into hatch. Its like calm down buddy i was tryna give you hatch anyways sheeesh. But honestly them doing that little stunt made me insta regret it cause it was like a slap in the face. And its not like he had no idea as i walked by a few hooks on way and didnt hook him and tried to be as obvious as i could about it.
Yeah its just not worth it trying to be nice most of the time
Survivors never give mercy kills. So I'm not going to give any mercy hatches.
So what you say, is that you should give hatch if you play a weaker killer
There is no right or wrong answer, it’s up to whatever each person chooses to do. I was just offering an example. 🙂
The double iri 1s mean nothing lol, doesnt show skill in any way, thats why devs are removing depips, also the whole argument about giving the devs poor statistics makes no sense, since all good players agree that balancing around kills makes it hard to determine how good a killer really is, another thing was that nobody forced u to wait 2 minutes during end game collapse you're just spiteful and cant take a simple T-bag, you're wasting your own time
- also a person with double iris that dont mean anything and 2.7k hrs
>Nobody forced you to wait 2 minutes
>You just can't take a t-bag
Bruh if they won't leave until they've gotten to t-bag in your face or until you smack them to leave, that's forcing you to waste your time when they could just escape and win on their end. The killer can't go next until the SURVIVOR decides to leave unless they indulge them in their poor sportsmanship, assuming they're at the exit gate and the EGC has started (which means they're guaranteed to get out no matter what the killer does)
The way the game should be balanced will always be a matter of opinion, of course. The bits about high MMR and kill statistics are simply minor examples of small things that can sometimes play a part in certain changes. Of course that won’t always be the basis of every change.
Exactly, maybe i’m just petty but I would rather spent the 2 minutes practicing killer powers and learning looping mechanics than save the time and indulge the person that’s being a sore winner. It’s making them waste their own time at that point.
@@ToxicTPlaysbut then you can’t say they ware wasting your time. You just simply don’t want them out, I am sorry but I only see the real issue that you can’t take toxicity which is „normal“ in dbd. Also I don’t get it why you only respond to comments that are positive you don’t respond to criticism
Hi @noel.7449 My point when I said "survivors waste your time" is that the game ends a lot later with you having to walk to the gate and hit every survivor (sometimes twice each) until they got knocked out of the gate than it would if they just left as soon as they were all safe. If I'm going to be spending 1-2 minutes fooling around at the exit gate trying to get them all to leave anyway, I may as well use that time as an opportunity to actually practice and get better at the killer I'm playing. At that point it's just making the decision to use that time to better myself instead of messing around and pretending like killer players enjoy that aspect of the endgame as much as the survivors do.
Also, I respond to pretty much every single comment (even the criticism) and have even given people with opposing views props for arguments they made well. Thank you for your contribution to the conversation. :)
i dont typically give hatch unless its a Yun Jin since on Survivor i am a Yun Jin main... i dont like killing Yun Jins
Least biased dbd player:
At this point make it a sweat feast because clearly people want dbd to be more comp than causal
But then say its unfun when people don't know how to have fun they just sweating all the time people clearly want more comp
I think the current meta of the game unfortunately does makes it more competitive naturally, what with the high usage rate of slowdown and second chance perks.
two things. Not giving hatch is fine. But waiting for a survivor to come to the hatch before you close it is annoying. But on the flip side like you said. Survivors who don't leave the fucking match drive me crazy. I'm a survivor main but when I do play killer 20% of my play time. It happens almost every game where survivors just don't fucking leave. It's the most annoying thing.
almost to the point of flaming other survivors for it. But don't get me wrong. i'm fucking sick of hostage killers. Had a game where i was held hostage from an artist for 60 minutes. I shouldn't have to leave the game because someone is a shit bag who can hold me hostage in a game.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES killers who hold hostage even with the end game times. This is also a common occurrence when the timer starts they slug you and just wait for it to run out. idgaf if behavior doesn't consider this holding hostage. It is, and this community pisses me off because they are so arrogant
I never give it because i don't like when people don't play seriously, like come on just play the game give your maximum. I don't like it when people let me win, and I don't like to let people free win too. And even if you win like that, did you really win ? And if you don't win, is it because he's better or because you let him win ? Stop, can we just all agree on this : just play normally, give nothing, expect nothing to be gifted so your win is always yours and not a gift
Brother if you are playing this game serious you wont be sane after 3000 hours. The game is not supposed to get played serious also you dont let him win, winning isnt if 1 surivivor escapes also not 1 player can win its a team based game. Giving hatch is just a gesture for letting him know he played well and his team didnt. Its just symapthy for this person who did well.
I am really into playing board games, and I never liked it when my parents or sibling would let me win or have an advantage. I wouldn’t get the same satisfaction out of a win. I feel the same way about being given the hatch or given a kill. At the end of the day the killer’s objective is to kill. 💁🏼♂️
@@ToxicTPlaysyou can’t compare that which each other. Letting the other player win in a board game just shows that they are sorry for you and don’t want you to be mad or sad. In dbd giving hatch is just a compliment for the player that he played well. 2 different things.
@@noel.7449 you shouldn't expect a win just because you played well. If you did amazing, but still got outplayed it's gonna be your loss to bear. 🤷♂ and in a way, letting the last one escape is like showing pity... so the comparison seems to work fine.
@@joe20003331. I never said it should be expected I only said that it’s a sign of showing sympathy that he did his best 2. it’s not showing pity, it’s like I said a sign that he did good and he didn’t deserve to lose. No survivor will ever complain that you give hatch that’s just another sign that letting him get hatch isn’t showing pity.
I play 50/50 survivor killer. It makes me happy to get hatch, so i give hatch. If it's a tough game i won't give hatch, but if super 1 sided I might. Just because survivors might be sore winners, i don't see why that should change my behavior. Not every survivor is a sore winner, if you play sweaty after a sweaty game you are feeding the sweat cycle. "oh the killer was using meta, i better use meta" Then the next killer that gets hit with meta, plays meta.
If i like someones name i might let them go. If i have some funny moment with a survivor i might let them go. If one teammate is obviously hiding like mega immersed, i might kill them and let someone else go. If survivors ask to farm, i'll farm. It's just a game, i don't need to win, improve my mmr, or help behaviors kill statistics. I want bloodpoints, fun, and a healthy endgame chat.
The other day I had this survivor team sandbag their noobie fourth survivor constantly. They somehow ended up being the only person left, so naturally I went and waited so I could give them the hatch.
So they did a Gen instead without me realising, thinking they were trying to find the hatch that whole time because, well, new player.
They did that Gen, Opened Door, waited out the endgame just to teabag me.
Then I got banned for Gameplay Sabotage or smth.
So? What do you want to tell us with that?
@noel.7449 That giving them the hatch isn't worth it.
Either they'll lose their item as a gift and take it, or they simply won't see the appreciation in it.
It sucks when people ruin things for everyone else. You want to do a nice thing for the one’s who you feel would benefit or appreciate it, but the opportunity is often missed or goes unnoticed. Unfortunately there seems to be a larger group of people in the DbD community sometimes that prefer to make people feel worse about a tough situation.
@@Unicobrathis is just simply false. 90% of the time when I give hatch they thank me and only 10% don’t say anything. I never had any toxicity when I gave them hatch. I played the game for 3000 hours. About 2k on killer so it’s not because I don’t play this game often.
@@Unicobrait’s just because you had 1 guy who was toxic doesn’t mean everyone is
Lol I feel you low key most of the time if I get a 4k I will just kill everyone and sometimes tho I have felt bad because I killed everyone at 4 gens sometimes I have let them live but tbh you right if you win you win imma stop being as nice lol 😅
I don't agree with the part where you say that the fourth kill affects the kill rates because if you follow this logic with every single killer, the kill rates would be higher, but the difference in between killers will be the same, however everything you say afetwards is totally on point and I couldn't have said it better
I’ve been told since making this that hatch doesn’t affect kill rates… still trying to figure out the details on that. Thanks for the love though ✊
5:14 so someone
Paying and bringing it into the game to use in worst case scenario means death sentence
Nah man thats just being too serious when you already won 🏆 the game
But thats the problem
People are taking this way too seriously and this reinforces the try hard mindset and be shitty to each other in game and get burnout and frustated
Kill rates or not the justification is a flook
When the devs balances things around what they think is "fun" makes everything mute 🔇
As they will do what they want to do
They have the tools, resources, and community, to show them what is and isn't balanced
A number on a spreadsheet is just to distract people from constructive game development and game management
When they are printing money in the shop as others get distracted being unfun to each other no matter the side or situation
If you want an active take on influencing the killers balance
Get a Guage of skill, perks, base kit, and map knowledge and apply it and reach out in the forums and make videos
You make a point about killrates being influenced by giving hatch.
This arguement makes sense exclusively if you can prove that players who play x killer sistematically have a bias toward giving hatch as opposed to another killer. If everybody gives hatch its the exact same as nobody giving hatch. Even better: if giviny hatch is completely unrelated to what killer you are playing (which to me has no reason not to be the case) is the same as not giving hatch
There’s definitely a bias. Pigs and Billy’s for example are usually “nice” killers. They’ll give hatch more often.
And spirits / most high tier killers, almost never give hatch.
@@acrid2695 When I play Pig and get matched against newer survivors, my mind goes into "Lore Accurate Mode".
I'll give em hats and go for 8 hooks. If I have everyone on 8 hooks and some of the survivors have hats that are active, I'll follow em around, observe while they fish for keys out of the Jigsaw Boxes (especially if they seem to not know how tf anything works)
A lot my more devious Pig builds turn into wholesome interactions because most people see Plaything or Face The Darkness and expect the sweatiest Pig ever but I honestly am just a Saw fan who's happy that she's somewhat viable now lol
Yeah this is tough to prove without a record of which escapes were given and which were fought for. Obviously this isn’t going to make a huge difference in the grand scheme of devs making changes, but I feel that it does happen enough to obscure the clarity of an individual character’s “strength”
Could definitely be a factor 🤔
"why i dont give hatch" is such a messed up sentence, that someone even has to explain why they dont give away free wins to those they beat is.... well it shows a lot about the dbd community
its completely up to if you wanna or dont
on another point, the mmr system is so bad, being ranked based on kills is so exceptionally imprecise, though sadly because of killers they have made and addons, they cant really balance the game around hooks and there is no shot they are going to balance around bp
Yes unfortunately with a very popular, two team game like this there’s going to be many strong differing opinions and people arguing about it. I think as long as everyone plays the way they want without trying to appease others and is having fun playing the game, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I don't think this balance around kill rates logic is true. Reason being is nurse has the lowest kill rate in the game and she is not being buffed, and your argument pig having a high kill rate and therefore should be fine is also not correct since pig got buffed and by your own logic pig should be untouched or even nerfed (haha funny meme). Huntress got buffed and her kill rate is also fine. Give hatch or don't give it, does not phase me, I personally give it very occasionally but almost never simply because I want more BP, but this balance around stats whilst it has some truth, is definitely not as accurate as you think.
i agree with him on the hatch i can be a little more lenient it really depends on my mood and how the game went.. but the one thing i will do with out fail is if a glitch something for example the old rock glitch at in the Macmillan's estate hill traps a survivor and would be a free hook i would take them out as the killer and let them go give them a free gen or if its endgame and hatch or gates is the only option id let them go. i want my games to be fair wins, i get 0 satisfaction in a match that is glitched or cheated in the kills. if i catch a survivors team sand bagging a survivor in match i wont chase the sand bagged if anything i will let them escape and kill their team for being ass hats, i'm al ways on the watch for that kind of crap. that said if its a good game fair game all is well there is no survivor rule book i will kill by any means necessary in a proper fashion. the best way to honor a good game is to play it to the max.
Well said
I don't give survivors hatch because i play to win, i pkay both sides also, when the killer gives me a win i always go to the hook and croutch so he will just hook me, the fun of the game is the challenge for me, if you take that away its no longer fun in my eyes
I feel that same way, I want to earn my wins and ultimately I play the game the way it was intended to be played: escape and survive or hunt and kill. 🤷🏼♂️
@@ToxicTPlays I hate it when killers give me free wins, it's like why'd I even pick up the game, glad I ain't alone on that one
I only let Jill players escape because i am a Jill simp.
Same for me with Cheryl. I love Silent Hill.
Bruh a 10 min video on why you don't give hatch? No way people complain enough for you to make a video on this.
I don't personally get a lot of complaints, but as you can see by the comments, this is a controversial decision in the DbD community.
@@ToxicTPlays yeah I stood corrected lol
You are not wrong. Who wants a gift from the side they constantly grief? So pathetic.
You can't "give" me the hatch if I'm already escaping through it. ez
I usually give it if I feel like or if the survivor stop wiggling. I don't think its something ppl should be upset about tho. Pretty funny and good video tho.
Thank you!! ✊
I was in a game and my team hid in closets I fixed all 5 Gens by myself P[PL who work alone because your team hides. I think the one who fixes the gens should get hatch or be let out.
0:22 Because the whole point is to win.
Hatch escapes don’t count towards kill rate to be fair
so your excuse is that you dont always have it easy, so you wont make it easier for anyone else? cool, whatever. but who are you even justifying yourself to at this point? because it sounds more like your problem.
you might as well look at it another way - sometimes the killer will give you an escape down the hatch, whether you like it or not. why dont you give to someone sometimes? yes, it makes absolutely no sense.
and finally - the hatch is simply a last chance and is certainly not taken into account in the killer balancing. so your theory immediately falls apart.
i also dont know where you have been for the last 3 years, but rank doesnt matter for some time now. you can get a person who has 10 hours or a person who has 10000 hours. rank 1 means nothing.
Brainrot has set in
Good points made.
For me i have a certain conditions for if i give the hatch:
If the survivor was a good player i do let them have it (if they beg for it)
But if i get a Meg begging for a hatch when all she did was hide, get downed in 10 second chases and do no objectives.. I close the hatch in their face and hook them next to it
Brutal and understandable lmao. There’s a time and a place for giving hatch for sure
I'm a Legion main, so i think that says enough...
Check out my video where I trap a survivor while playing as Legion - I think you’ll enjoy it. It’s something about playing Legion man 🤣
give not give who cares
Just call the video “Why I’m a POS killer main”
This video has no self-proclamation or discussion of skill. Only goes over one decision that comes up in this game and the factors one might consider before making it. No reason to make assumptions about someone because of how you feel, but thanks for your input. 👎
hatch given games dont count, they said it themselves
Kinda funny match vs a ghost face where a team mate dropped the pallet right on my face and the killer got a free hook. Then for w/e reason I ended up being a turn coat and it became a 2 v 3.
Always feels great when your coward team mate waits it out for the hatch and you get to watch the killer deny them. God it was satisfying to watch a Billy chainsaw an Ash player when he was a couple meters from escape.
That’s a great story! Thanks for sharing. Always nice when justice is served lol
Well all 12 of my favorite killers will have a horrible kill raye because idc to let a survivor go. Im old, and just javing fun playing my game
As long as you’re having fun, that’s what’s important
i look at it like this, if im getting wrecked by some survivors they arent gonna hesitate to all run out of that exit and escape, i dont expect one of them to give me 1 kill to make me feel better, and i accept that. so the survivors gotta accept that im not expected to give the last survivor hatch.
Yes! That’s the point I’m trying to make. Didn’t mean to start a comment war 😂🙊
And that's why these numbers are so low
really good vid
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed! ☺️
If the killer is toxic camper/tunnler/sluger i gona say GG EZ if not even i die i say gg
when i play killer NO WIGGLE = HATCH / Wiggle = 4K
But but my brown toolbox🥺🥺
Rofl your reasonning because devs look at kill rates is contradictory. By your logic, if you're not giving hatch then devs will think your killer's better than the ones giving hatch so you're shooting yourself in the foot? I don't care if you do or don't give hatch, that's your choice, I always see it as you're either killing or teabagged at endgame, but your whole reasonning for this video is pretty trivial. Kind of just seems like you're that butt hurt that you need to spread the hate for revenge reasons rather than taking things as they come.
Hi @christophersadri6464 the kill rate thing was only one reason, and I never made the claim that the devs will think killers that don’t give hatch at better than ones that do - only that it has an affect on that character’s killrate, which the devs have openly admitted they do take into account.
Also, like I said, I make exceptions for people that didn’t have a fair game or where sandbagged, etc. so I don’t think it’s fair of you to say I spread the “hate”. I fully expect survivors to take their W when they earn it, so most of the time I don’t go to the exit gate b/c I fully expect them to leave and take the W. I’d rather use those few extra seconds to practice using my power, farm bp’s and all that. Call me sweaty but I enjoy seeing myself improve at the game and play better than my past self. 🤷🏼♂️
@@ToxicTPlays you said if you lose survivors would wait at the gate and that if you won you wouldn't give hatch as a direct response, showing you're generating more anger from your anger. I also never said that about devs, I said if others are giving hatch and you're not, it adds to the overall kill amounts for your killer as your killers gaining hatch kills and others may not be, meaning your killer is rated higher because of your frustrations over other killers, making devs think your killer is potentially stronger. I don't care if you agree or not, was stating the real effects your frustrations may be having on the devs possible data and alterations. Truthfully people that win a lot don't care as much about gaining every kill they can get so either way, you're more than likely hurting your own killers balance more than helping balancing at all. That's why I think your argument made no sense from the start.
I just can’t find hatch ):
Good luck to you!
Uh ok but like who cares its just a game bro
you earn your mmr
8:11 Grade means nothing, it's not a measure of skill. Matchmaking is regulated by hidden MMR, try not to look dumb next time.
Never made a claim that players at Iridescent ranks were the most skilled players in the game. I just threw that picture up as an example that players that reach such ranks more than likely aren’t brand new players. 🤷🏼♂️ Try to be respectful next time
@@ToxicTPlays No, you still don’t get it and continue looking dumb. It’s not “rank”, it’s “grade”. Back in the day it used to be rank and it had a correlation with skill, but not now. That number does not mean anything except players time invested during current season.
Either way, that doesn’t change what I said. Replace “ranks” with “grades” and read my last response again.
@@ToxicTPlays Your choice to stay dumb. Good luck responding to criticism in future, you’ll need it.
i agree so maybe i should start doing really bad with trapper so they will buff him (jk)
Also Hatch doesn’t have an effect on MMR opening and escaping through the gate does
the dislikes are definitely some redditors
When I play killer I often times give hatch. If I play survivor is often times give the killer a kill. This is an exception if that player was a dickhead. I think your kill rate argument is a bit weird since BHVR doesn't know what they're doing. That whole 'balance based on kill rate' thing is one of the biggest issues with the game anyway. I respect your opinion even If I disagree. I just like the wholesome moments. Some other people in the comments (like bahuvag) have said things that I agree with.
Also since giving hatch doesn't depend on the killer you play, wouldn't that mean that all of this get's evened out? Since a certain percentage of all killer players give hatch sometimes, all killrates will go down by a tiny bit. It's not like that only three characters give hatch, so their kill rates are lower... no no the other ones do that too so it's even. What you're saying doesn't make much sense but I'll keep watching.
I knew you where gonna touch on that sore winner stuff and I 100% agree. Usually survivors are so cocky when they win but when they don't then the killer is expected to give them hatch... it's dumb. If dbd just had a praise system then this could be midigated. Letting you rate players at the end of the match. You get a praise token for each positive review. Getting 10 of these will give you rewards, once that goal is reached the reward will become larger next time. Bad ratings however will reduce Praise Points, with the amount of lost points being attributed to the players average Good/Bad Ratio.
Hi @NotRenjiro Seeing a lot of comments about the kill rate thing, I think I could have been a lot more clear in my point and provided better examples. First of all, thank you respectfully disagreeing! My viewpoint/opinion will never be “right” or agreed with by everyone and I honestly do want to hear ya’ll feedback and opinions too, but thank you for keeping the respect there because that’s really important in a debate. 🫶 If all different killer characters give hatch from time to time than they would definitely even out an discrepancies in the killrates for the most part. Like I said, this has a small effect on the balance of the game anyway, and has a small affect on my personal decision to give hatch. I just enjoy playing games the way they were supposed to be played. In this case: survive/kill (w/ exceptions). But I wanted to cover every outlook when looking at potential reasons other people may consider when making this decision for themselves.
Finally, I LOVE your ideas about the praise system. I dont know if something like this would ever come to DbD, but I think it would be a wonderful thing to be implemented into any online PvP game to incentivize civil, respectful gameplay. Thank you for viewership and your thoughts!
@@ToxicTPlays Hello TTP I just finished a match of playing Dredge with a Mad grit build. I wanted to mori em all but decided to give the last person hatch cuz I felt like being nice. Now that girl just straight up disconnected because I stood still to read the hatch offering. And that just reminded me of this video and how I forgot to mention something.
Thank you for responding but these news aren't too great (unless bhvr changed it), but hatch escapes don't count as an 'escape' for the mmr. It counts it as a 'tie' between you and that survivor, but the system detects a 3k as a win so yeah.
I don't think your efforts are doing much but I understand your 'philosophy' if that makes sense. Sorry I have no idea on what to call the way we play.
Now I have a question, why don't you let the really good players go? My 'philosophy' is that they especially deserve it tbh but to each their own. I really hope that bhvr reworks the endgame and 1v1/1v2 scenarios. Hatch is a really dumb mechanic.
Edit: Nvm vid get's a like
Dang that’s crazy they DC’ed when you were gonna give hatch. I think for me it’s just the idea that there’s generally no appreciation for kind acts and immediate hate over the smallest inconveniences in the DbD community. At the end of the day you’ll never please everyone and that’s just human nature. I definitely have given hatch to a few legends who made me laugh, played super well, etc. Like I said, I do make exceptions.
im just not giving hatch cause im "merciless"
Nerf Pig
If you don't want to watch the video, I'll summarise it: I don't give hatch becuase I have deepl rooted insecurities and I project it on people in a videogame.
Bro nobody watches ur streams to be called "everybody" also this vid is useless u don't need to explain urself nobody cares😂