Hope everyone is enjoying the video and has a great start to their weekend! Here are some responses about frequently asked cards for this one. Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale - It isn't on the list because it doesn't have cumulative upkeep, it isn't an increasing amount of mana, it is always the same. Braid of Fire - Definitely an interesting one since it got powered up following the elimination of mana burn, and while this thing is a powerhouse in EDH and on kitchen tables because of that, it is too slow for constructed formats. Herlad of Leshrac - Another card that's nice in EDH, but too slow for GPs and PTs.
Sorry, but I could barely follow what you were talking about when discussing Mind Harness because of that "unique" art - possible future candidate for a top 10 most disturbing/unique MtG card artworks list ?
surprsed my favorite upkeep card isn't here, I never had the cards for it but wanted to make the deck, varchild's warriders. That with dingus staff, and anything that can kill 1/1 creatures easily.
I was wondering about that Braid of Fire. Of course it's from Coldsnap and the mana would need to be spent during upkeep but sure would have been a way to keep paying the upkeep on other spells. A crazy thought: How about some "top 10 rule changes" that drastically altered the power levels of certain cards. Right off three things that come to mind are Companions, mana burn which made anything that made "unneeded mana" painless instead of a risk, and also "Damage on the Stack" which completely altered how things like Mogg Fanatic and Morphling perform in combat.
Cumulative Upkeep is my favourite mechanic. The cards behind it are so obscenely powerful, and all it takes is one Solemnity, Eon Hub or Fatespinner to undo all the downsides.
@@cobra_commander2255 This is fair. Mystic Remora is stronger in more competitive EDH environments, whereas those cards are certainly better in more casually-oriented environments. But, other than Brainstorm, Mystic Remora is the only blue card that played in nearly 100% of competitively-oriented decks running blue. Edit: I have seen some variants of Zur that choose to exclude Mystic Remora because it can tutor Necropotence.
@@DeviousPie2 Mana Drain and Cyclonic Rift still see a fair amount of competitive play, but you're definitely right about how incredible Mystic Remora is. It certainly deserves recognition for its playability in EDH and cEDH.
NIzzahon, they aren't time counters, as you said when discussing Juju Bubble, but age counters (as we see on the first card on the list). I believe age counters are used exclusively for this.
@Dante Wright Platinum Empyrion is better in some ways, but worse in others. It costs 8 mana more than Glacial Chasm, it is a spell so it can be neutralized. It is a creature and an artifact, which makes it easier to destroy. It will take away your ability to pay life points.
There are plenty of decks out there whose wincon rely on damaging the opponent so I think it will see play again. Heck even if your wincon is emrakul it won't matter how much life your opponent has after you resolve that first annihilator trigger.
I don't think it's the upkeep part that holds it back. Control decks don't care about the opponent's life total. It's the fact that defenders (without abilities) are historically bad and only used as sideboard cards in very specific metagames. If anything the upkeep part is an upside that helps you trigger cards like timely reinforcements and stops your Death's Shadow opponent from going off.
I could see Wall of Shards working well in an Arcades EDH deck. Not only is it a cheap 8/8 flying, but many Arcades decks run a lot of flicker effects, to flicker walls to draw extra cards with Arcades, so that's an easy way to reset the time counters. Personally, I passed it up for my own Arcades deck, but it's definitely in the top 10 cards I'm considering putting in.
I have a deck built entirely around Eon hub and glacial chasm. Eon Hub says players skip their upkeep step so it works really well with all of the cumulative upkeep cards in the deck. Worked really well for a long time until we switch to commander.
Muldrotha is amazing with this mechanic. I like having the choice to just recast any of these after using then for a few turns. Especially mind harness.
Jotun Grunt get in my bat deck! Desecrated Tomb (3, Artifact, Whenever one or more creatures cards leave your graveyard, create a 1/1 black Bat creature token with flying.)
Desecrated Tomb is one of the coolest cards I've seen in a while. So much synergy with surveil and Gaea's Blessing, and that's just in Standard. Jotun Grunt would be excellent with it in Modern.
I played an aggro blue deck in Vintage after Darksteel (because of Vial) that ran Gilded Drake, Erayo, etc. because you could flip Erayo turn 1 with Moxen. Sticking a Mystic Remora against Vintage decks turn 1 means you don't lose when your deck is filled with Forces and such. Card is a house.
Cumulative upkeep of 1 life is interesting. As downsides go thats very minor at first, your opponent/s may even want it to stay alive. Even cumulative upkeep of 1 mana on a card that only costs 1 or 2 mana that need only hang around for a turn or two might not be expensive mana wise.
Black used to get some stupidly powerful color hosers. Another evil one was Perish, which pretty much read "B2: Target Green player loses the game." As though Green didn't have enough problems back then.
I was somehow expecting Stasis to be there, but it isn't actually a cumulative upkeep, it just feels like it because you can't use your previously tapped islands.
We bounced Stasis back to our hands at the end of our opponents turn with something like Time Elemental to recast on our next turn after we untap everything, plus drop a Kismet so anything opponent plays comes in to play tapped back in the day.
In Urza's saga they printed a card with the same effect of Infernal darkness named Contamination that only required to sacrifice a creature at the beginning of the upkeep. If I control an Eon hub, which allows me to skip my upkeep, do I have to sacrifice my permanent with cumulative upkeep? Believe it or not Juju bubble is part of the Legacy weapon which was planed to be used to defeat Yawgmoth
I’m super surprised that Braid of Fire didn’t appear on this list. It’s probably my favorite cumulative upkeep card. And literally the only cumulative upkeep card with no downside
Cumulative Upkeep just goes to show something I saw in the Worst Mechanics video; If you give a card powerful enough effects or cost them right, it doesn't matter if it has a poorly done mechanic. The problem was so many of those mechanics were creature mechanics, where the creatures had nothing to offer besides stats FROM the mechanic. Add Banding to a 2/2 first strike for 2 mana and it would be fine. Add Rampage 2 to a 3/4 to 4 with Vigilance and it would be nice if minor upside. Too many of those mechanics were seen as some huge upside and costed like they were; At least with Cumulative Upkeep they added it to some impactful cards since they already knew it was a downside.
I got to your mention of Illusions of Grandeur and that score seemed absurd to me, so I did some digging. Checked a few top 8 lists for extended GPs at that time, and every single one included 1-4 copies of Trix. I know you're not trying to do exhaustive research here, but remember that there's a lot of info from old tournaments still hanging around on WotC's archives. GP Florence and GP Kuala Lumpur both had 4 Trix decks in the top 8. Somebody needs to put that shit in an archive before it gets wiped.
remember: trix was known at the time as "the best combo deck ever". I only did a cursory check. Pretty sure every GP at that time was dominated by it, not to mention the later U/R version Kai Budde won a PT with later on (I'm sure that showed up in plenty of GP top 8s as well)
for reference: magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage still has archived coverage of many (if not all) events from that era and most of them include decklists.
So with cumulative upkeep, do you untap and then pay it’s cost? Or do you pay it before you untap? And if it’s “cumulative upkeep 1” do you pay 1 first then next upkeep you pay 2 and so on?
Not really related to the video, but I just theory crafted this card: 3B Enchantment Cumulative upkeep - pay 2 life, draw a card 1B: remove an age counter from ~
You know you only get the Mana from Braid of Fire on your upkeep, right? That's it. It empties from your mana pool as soon as you move to your draw phase. Also, EDH doesn't have sanctioned tournaments so he doesn't consider EDH when making these lists.
I ran chronotog with glacial chasm back in the day. Stasis, kismet, force of will..all the annoying stuff. Basically just skip infinite turns and i cant die while u just draw your whole deck. It was instascoop if i got it setup lol.
So the community never found a way to abuse Thought Lash? A shame, it was always my favorite of the cumulative upkeep cards. I went 2-2-1 in a local tournament with a Lash deck, it was 400 cards or so. Seems with all the improved "tutor" cards out there, it could be way easier to do now.
I know the logic behind positions but Illusions of Grandeur should be 1st without a doubt. One of the most dominant deck in the history of MTG, a deck that made Wizards ban 4 cards (Necro, Demonic, Ritual and Vault) to stop its dominance...The top 4 are all sideboard cards (except Chasm).
@@NizzahonMagic Not really. Combo winter was another thing. Cards banned on combo winter were, Tolarian, Windfall, Stroke and Memory. The only card that i mentioned that was in those combo winter Tolarian decks, was Vault. Combo winter was the winter of 1998. This Trix deck is from 2000. They first banned the fast mana (Ritual and Vault). That wasnt enough and later the same year they banned the card engine/tutor. Both incredible dominant decks but each one made different bans.
Man, you forgot Braid of Fire. In a mono red burn deck or if you pair it with Elephant Grass then you'll never end up paying the cumulative upkeep cost of Elephant Grass because the red mana you get from it will pay the Grass cost! I'm gonna run it in my Lord Windgrace commander deck pairing it with Grass and Darkest Hour. Basically it ensures that your opponents will not be able to attack you for the rest of the game short of having some sort of removal spells
I'm really surprised that Braid of Fire didn't get a decent number of tops. I mean, it's almost free mana. That kind of stuff should get out of hand after a few turns. Odd, that no deck has been able to utalize it yet.
So coming back to this vid after MH2 Spoiler season; now that Enchantress has gotten some support do you think Elephant Grass will put up some more points?
@@SorisMusic Most of the new enchantress cards are just reprints that were already legal in Legacy, with the exception of Sythis. It probably isn't enough to make Enchantress good in Legacy sadly.
No love for Braid of Fire? For 2 mana, you get crazy ramp. At the time, it was bad because of mana burn, but now that that doesn't exist, its only downside is that it costs 2 to cast. With enough instants or flash creatures, the fact that it's during your upkeep shouldn't matter too much.
Cumulative upkeep held the promise to make really obscenely powerful permanents playable, it never really lived up to it because cards power sucked between The Dark and Stronghold. Better mechanics came out since then.
Number one (or a really high number) on the Worst Mechanics List is going to be Epic, right? Only one of its cards are good enough to see tournament play, and there were only five of them. I don’t know how you’re going to weight things towards smaller mechanics though (One Cycle Only mechanics like Epic and Hideaway are automatically at a disadvantage, as are small set only mechanics like Chroma or whatever)
To be elligible, a mechanic has to be on 10 cards. That said, one card of a cycle of 5 seeing play is a rate of 20%, and that's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy higher than any mechanic to make the list.
That’s gonna be rough for mechanics with only 10 cards, but I imagine you can’t weight it by percentage or else evergreen mechanics since Alpha are going to get the short end of the stick.
Cumulative Upkeep can be worked around so easily these days there is no reason not run cards with it as it can be horrifically abused against the opposing player.
@@NizzahonMagic Of course. Whenever I think of cumulative upkeep I think of such horrible cards as Shaman, with such a niche and overpriced garbage effect and, the one you named, Juju Bubble. I really like making fun of those cumulative upkeep cards.
Hope everyone is enjoying the video and has a great start to their weekend!
Here are some responses about frequently asked cards for this one.
Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale - It isn't on the list because it doesn't have cumulative upkeep, it isn't an increasing amount of mana, it is always the same.
Braid of Fire - Definitely an interesting one since it got powered up following the elimination of mana burn, and while this thing is a powerhouse in EDH and on kitchen tables because of that, it is too slow for constructed formats.
Herlad of Leshrac - Another card that's nice in EDH, but too slow for GPs and PTs.
Sorry, but I could barely follow what you were talking about when discussing Mind Harness because of that "unique" art - possible future candidate for a top 10 most disturbing/unique MtG card artworks list ?
surprsed my favorite upkeep card isn't here, I never had the cards for it but wanted to make the deck, varchild's warriders. That with dingus staff, and anything that can kill 1/1 creatures easily.
I was wondering about that Braid of Fire. Of course it's from Coldsnap and the mana would need to be spent during upkeep but sure would have been a way to keep paying the upkeep on other spells.
A crazy thought: How about some "top 10 rule changes" that drastically altered the power levels of certain cards. Right off three things that come to mind are Companions, mana burn which made anything that made "unneeded mana" painless instead of a risk, and also "Damage on the Stack" which completely altered how things like Mogg Fanatic and Morphling perform in combat.
Top 10 decks named after cereals
amulet titan?
Top 10 cereals with the same names as decks pls
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Koko Puffs
Eggs, Cheerios, Cephalid breakfast
Pebbles is the best. Trix and Wheaties are the only others I can think of...
Cumulative Upkeep is my favourite mechanic. The cards behind it are so obscenely powerful, and all it takes is one Solemnity, Eon Hub or Fatespinner to undo all the downsides.
I really expected Braid of Fire to be on this list...it's really the only "cumulative upkeep" with no downside.
HaydenX its mostly an EDH card
The downside when it was printed was Mana Burn, so without something to spend the mana on it would kill you rather quickly
At the time, it could mana burn you pretty badly, and only having the mana for your upkeep kinda sucks since it can only be used at instant speed
Herald of Leshrac has no downside.
@@FlawlessRhythmGG Other than an upfront cost of 7cc that is...
Mystic Remora is also one of the, if not the, best blue cards in EDH.
What about Rhystic Study, Cyclonic Rift or Mana Drain?
@@cobra_commander2255 This is fair. Mystic Remora is stronger in more competitive EDH environments, whereas those cards are certainly better in more casually-oriented environments. But, other than Brainstorm, Mystic Remora is the only blue card that played in nearly 100% of competitively-oriented decks running blue.
Edit: I have seen some variants of Zur that choose to exclude Mystic Remora because it can tutor Necropotence.
@@DeviousPie2 Mana Drain and Cyclonic Rift still see a fair amount of competitive play, but you're definitely right about how incredible Mystic Remora is. It certainly deserves recognition for its playability in EDH and cEDH.
It’s right below consecrated Sphinx for me
Cyclonic Rift is *the* blue EDH card. Remora is up there tho.
NIzzahon, they aren't time counters, as you said when discussing Juju Bubble, but age counters (as we see on the first card on the list). I believe age counters are used exclusively for this.
Does that mean that you can proliferate them?
@@masonfreng3206 Yep.
@@TheSquareOnes That'd make for a spicy play in the Delusions of Grandeur/Donate combo.
One important fact about Glacial Chasm: It prevents not just your opponent from damaging you, but also yourself.
It is nice...but if your implying that that nullifies the cumulative upkeep, it doesn't. Paying life isn't dealing damage.
@@nicholas8739 I was thinking of spells and effects that damage yourself, like Pestilence, Ancient Tomb, Orc Artillery.
That was what I thought you were talking about, but just had the other thought in my mind too. Sorry about that.
@Dante Wright Platinum Empyrion is better in some ways, but worse in others.
It costs 8 mana more than Glacial Chasm, it is a spell so it can be neutralized. It is a creature and an artifact, which makes it easier to destroy. It will take away your ability to pay life points.
With the recent " your opponent can't gain life" cards printed, I could see wall of shards returning.
Except then you can't pay the upkeep
There are plenty of decks out there whose wincon rely on damaging the opponent so I think it will see play again. Heck even if your wincon is emrakul it won't matter how much life your opponent has after you resolve that first annihilator trigger.
Deaths shad hate
I don't think it's the upkeep part that holds it back. Control decks don't care about the opponent's life total. It's the fact that defenders (without abilities) are historically bad and only used as sideboard cards in very specific metagames. If anything the upkeep part is an upside that helps you trigger cards like timely reinforcements and stops your Death's Shadow opponent from going off.
For me there is nothing more glorious than a card with a terrible mechanic being top tier in vintage, its just beautiful
Like Slash Panther
I could see Wall of Shards working well in an Arcades EDH deck. Not only is it a cheap 8/8 flying, but many Arcades decks run a lot of flicker effects, to flicker walls to draw extra cards with Arcades, so that's an easy way to reset the time counters. Personally, I passed it up for my own Arcades deck, but it's definitely in the top 10 cards I'm considering putting in.
I have a deck built entirely around Eon hub and glacial chasm. Eon Hub says players skip their upkeep step so it works really well with all of the cumulative upkeep cards in the deck. Worked really well for a long time until we switch to commander.
Muldrotha is amazing with this mechanic. I like having the choice to just recast any of these after using then for a few turns. Especially mind harness.
I would do some very very questionable things for 1 copy of tabernacle
I would do even more questionable things for a Klondike Bar
Left Thigh like trade a tabernacle?
@@mr.joesterr5359 i said questionable not completely insane
Jotun Grunt get in my bat deck! Desecrated Tomb (3, Artifact, Whenever one or more creatures cards leave your graveyard, create a 1/1 black Bat creature token with flying.)
Desecrated Tomb is one of the coolest cards I've seen in a while. So much synergy with surveil and Gaea's Blessing, and that's just in Standard. Jotun Grunt would be excellent with it in Modern.
@@Sauvenil throw in a Coat of Arms and you are good to go ;)
I played an aggro blue deck in Vintage after Darksteel (because of Vial) that ran Gilded Drake, Erayo, etc. because you could flip Erayo turn 1 with Moxen. Sticking a Mystic Remora against Vintage decks turn 1 means you don't lose when your deck is filled with Forces and such. Card is a house.
Uncompetitive deck idea:
White Black: Wall of Shards plus Tainted Remedy equals cumulative enemy damaging.
Cumulative upkeep of 1 life is interesting. As downsides go thats very minor at first, your opponent/s may even want it to stay alive.
Even cumulative upkeep of 1 mana on a card that only costs 1 or 2 mana that need only hang around for a turn or two might not be expensive mana wise.
Yes! Glacial Chasm! Got one. Never managed to make it work. 😁
One danger of reduce damage cards is that it doesnt prevent loss of life, something that black will only get more and more of as time goes on.
Black used to get some stupidly powerful color hosers. Another evil one was Perish, which pretty much read "B2: Target Green player loses the game." As though Green didn't have enough problems back then.
Wall of Shards is awesome in Arcades the strategist decks, 1w for a 8/8 and it draws you a card
I still run Infernal Darkness in most of my mono black commander decks. Legit one of my fav cards of all time.
I wonder how the Trix mirror match would've played
My favorite cumulative upkeep card is varchilds war riders. I know there will be a way to break it someday :P
Repercussions and Pyroclasm... throw in some Tamanoa for extra yuks. (I also use Forbidden Orchards with it.)
AKA: the list I'm surprised Braid Of Fire wasnt on (the card with cumulative upkeep 1 red mana)
I was somehow expecting Stasis to be there, but it isn't actually a cumulative upkeep, it just feels like it because you can't use your previously tapped islands.
We bounced Stasis back to our hands at the end of our opponents turn with something like Time Elemental to recast on our next turn after we untap everything, plus drop a Kismet so anything opponent plays comes in to play tapped back in the day.
I love every top 10s with Ice Age, Alliance and Mirage cards in it
I'm just watching this for EDH uses. Woot woot
Phyrexian Unlife and glacial chasm makes you virtually indestructible.
I prefer the hour of devastation “Counters can’t be put on anything except planeswalkers”
In Urza's saga they printed a card with the same effect of Infernal darkness named Contamination that only required to sacrifice a creature at the beginning of the upkeep.
If I control an Eon hub, which allows me to skip my upkeep, do I have to sacrifice my permanent with cumulative upkeep?
Believe it or not Juju bubble is part of the Legacy weapon which was planed to be used to defeat Yawgmoth
That's embarrassing for the Father of Machines...
I’m super surprised that Braid of Fire didn’t appear on this list. It’s probably my favorite cumulative upkeep card. And literally the only cumulative upkeep card with no downside
I expected Cover of Winter to be in this list.
Edit: I guess it's more of an EDH card though.
Cumulative Upkeep just goes to show something I saw in the Worst Mechanics video; If you give a card powerful enough effects or cost them right, it doesn't matter if it has a poorly done mechanic. The problem was so many of those mechanics were creature mechanics, where the creatures had nothing to offer besides stats FROM the mechanic. Add Banding to a 2/2 first strike for 2 mana and it would be fine. Add Rampage 2 to a 3/4 to 4 with Vigilance and it would be nice if minor upside. Too many of those mechanics were seen as some huge upside and costed like they were; At least with Cumulative Upkeep they added it to some impactful cards since they already knew it was a downside.
You just showed me all these dirty cards for my Muldrotha
I run Mystic Remora in my Simic EDH deck and lasted seven turns.
Jotun Grunt is powerful against Dredge. :3
Dystopia + Vilis Broker of Blood + Venser's journal.
Has Nizzahon done a top 10 gods. I would love to see that one
I got to your mention of Illusions of Grandeur and that score seemed absurd to me, so I did some digging. Checked a few top 8 lists for extended GPs at that time, and every single one included 1-4 copies of Trix. I know you're not trying to do exhaustive research here, but remember that there's a lot of info from old tournaments still hanging around on WotC's archives. GP Florence and GP Kuala Lumpur both had 4 Trix decks in the top 8. Somebody needs to put that shit in an archive before it gets wiped.
remember: trix was known at the time as "the best combo deck ever". I only did a cursory check. Pretty sure every GP at that time was dominated by it, not to mention the later U/R version Kai Budde won a PT with later on (I'm sure that showed up in plenty of GP top 8s as well)
for reference: magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage still has archived coverage of many (if not all) events from that era and most of them include decklists.
I've always considered Snowfall to be the worst card with a culminative upkeep
it had it's uses, especially back when it came out
I wonder why some of the really efficient cards arent played more with Solemnity.
They still aren't good enough for non-rotating formats, if the only way to take advantage is making sure you get Solemnity in play.
I honestly forgot this mechanic existed.
So...
Energy storm+swiftfoot boots+Opalescence+suncleanser
It no longer can gain or has upkeep, meaning your opponents can't cast burn
I understand the grading policy, but mystic remora really is #1 by far for being the best blue draw spell in edh, it can actually be ancestral recall
So with cumulative upkeep, do you untap and then pay it’s cost? Or do you pay it before you untap? And if it’s “cumulative upkeep 1” do you pay 1 first then next upkeep you pay 2 and so on?
Mox Lotus plus a cumulative upkeep boom
If the pattern holds, Mind Harness will see play again in 2027.
Buy them out now!
Huh, kinda through “mana chains” would make it to this list
fun card in an atraxa edh deck!
Not really related to the video, but I just theory crafted this card:
3B
Enchantment
Cumulative upkeep - pay 2 life, draw a card
1B: remove an age counter from ~
This would work better for vanishing/fading.
My favorite cumulative upkeep card is hibernation’s end.
Where was braid of fire? So good. Also very good in commander because you ramp twice as fast
You know you only get the Mana from Braid of Fire on your upkeep, right? That's it. It empties from your mana pool as soon as you move to your draw phase.
Also, EDH doesn't have sanctioned tournaments so he doesn't consider EDH when making these lists.
I ran chronotog with glacial chasm back in the day. Stasis, kismet, force of will..all the annoying stuff. Basically just skip infinite turns and i cant die while u just draw your whole deck. It was instascoop if i got it setup lol.
Before I'm watching the video I'd guess Infernal Darkness and Psychic Vortex are on the list.
So I have one problem with the list you are excluding command on this 1 as there are a few cards that see a lot of play
Braid of fire is amazing now that mana burn is gone
So the community never found a way to abuse Thought Lash? A shame, it was always my favorite of the cumulative upkeep cards. I went 2-2-1 in a local tournament with a Lash deck, it was 400 cards or so. Seems with all the improved "tutor" cards out there, it could be way easier to do now.
I know the logic behind positions but Illusions of Grandeur should be 1st without a doubt. One of the most dominant deck in the history of MTG, a deck that made Wizards ban 4 cards (Necro, Demonic, Ritual and Vault) to stop its dominance...The top 4 are all sideboard cards (except Chasm).
Necro-Donate was not the only reason any of those cards were banned. Combo winter collectively was.
@@NizzahonMagic Not really. Combo winter was another thing. Cards banned on combo winter were, Tolarian, Windfall, Stroke and Memory. The only card that i mentioned that was in those combo winter Tolarian decks, was Vault.
Combo winter was the winter of 1998. This Trix deck is from 2000. They first banned the fast mana (Ritual and Vault). That wasnt enough and later the same year they banned the card engine/tutor.
Both incredible dominant decks but each one made different bans.
Man, you forgot Braid of Fire. In a mono red burn deck or if you pair it with Elephant Grass then you'll never end up paying the cumulative upkeep cost of Elephant Grass because the red mana you get from it will pay the Grass cost! I'm gonna run it in my Lord Windgrace commander deck pairing it with Grass and Darkest Hour. Basically it ensures that your opponents will not be able to attack you for the rest of the game short of having some sort of removal spells
I forgot nothing. It has 0 points.
I'm really surprised that Braid of Fire didn't get a decent number of tops. I mean, it's almost free mana. That kind of stuff should get out of hand after a few turns.
Odd, that no deck has been able to utalize it yet.
Too slow for any format its legal in. You can just play tron, its faster.
No Braid of Fire? Funky.
Skullgrin its mostly a commander card
Really expected contaminate to be on this list kind of surprised
So coming back to this vid after MH2 Spoiler season; now that Enchantress has gotten some support do you think Elephant Grass will put up some more points?
It still isn't in Modern
@@NizzahonMagic Nah, I meant having those new Enchantress cards seeing play in Legacy
@@SorisMusic Most of the new enchantress cards are just reprints that were already legal in Legacy, with the exception of Sythis. It probably isn't enough to make Enchantress good in Legacy sadly.
@@NizzahonMagic Man, that's a shame. I've never played any sort of enchantress but it seems like a fun archetype when it starts popping off
@@SorisMusic It might be good enough for Modern now, so there's that
I was really expecting smokestack somewhere on this list, only to look it up and realize while it is the same effect it isn't keyworded.
Yeah, I guess that could be worded "Cumulative upkeep -- each player sacrifices a permanent"
@@NizzahonMagic Except adding the counter to Smokestack is optional.
Hej Nizza. A top 10 permanent destruction spells would be awesome
Do you mean "Destroy target permanent"?
My favorite accumulate upkeep is herald of leshrac
Should do a Top 10 for decks, or deck archetypes
What a great list!
Thanks!
Make a top ten of the most surprising premier event performers.
If this is MTG Top 10 Worst Mechanics in a 10 part series, then the video should be called "MTG Top 10 Worst Mechanics: #10 Cumulative Upkeep"
It isn't on the list, that's the point. It is one of the 10 worse.
No Fiery Braid? I guess it's more of a commander card than legacy
Excellent work 👍👍👍
Uh oh, Banding is coming...
Good let it come back evil laugh
I feel like there's a Red card that has a cumulative upkeep that adds 1 red mana to your mana pool. I don't remember the card name though
Braid of fire
Ummm... Herald of Leshrac definitely deserves a spot on this list!!!
Granted it didn't see any play really but it's powerful
I use wall of shards in my modern bant walls deck
How do you remove time counters?? I thought you couldn't
There are several cards, like hex parasite, that can remove counters
How was Braids and Herald not on the list?..
That’s what I came to ask.
I don't think either version of Braids had Cumulative Upkeep...
Dapperghast Meowregard he meant Braid of Fire, Cumulative Upkeep: Add R to your mana pool
As a cumulative upkeep, I have to request this on every video.
Top 10 vintage cards (obviously excluding power 9)?
I'd say top 10 non-Reserve List vintage cards
No love for Braid of Fire? For 2 mana, you get crazy ramp. At the time, it was bad because of mana burn, but now that that doesn't exist, its only downside is that it costs 2 to cast. With enough instants or flash creatures, the fact that it's during your upkeep shouldn't matter too much.
Has nothing to do with love, gotta go with the the numbers. It has 0 points.
Love the list keep up the great job:)!!
I would be interested in top 10 cantrips
Cumulative upkeep held the promise to make really obscenely powerful permanents playable, it never really lived up to it because cards power sucked between The Dark and Stronghold. Better mechanics came out since then.
Number one (or a really high number) on the Worst Mechanics List is going to be Epic, right? Only one of its cards are good enough to see tournament play, and there were only five of them. I don’t know how you’re going to weight things towards smaller mechanics though (One Cycle Only mechanics like Epic and Hideaway are automatically at a disadvantage, as are small set only mechanics like Chroma or whatever)
To be elligible, a mechanic has to be on 10 cards. That said, one card of a cycle of 5 seeing play is a rate of 20%, and that's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy higher than any mechanic to make the list.
That’s gonna be rough for mechanics with only 10 cards, but I imagine you can’t weight it by percentage or else evergreen mechanics since Alpha are going to get the short end of the stick.
No evergreen mechanic makes the list, they are all too succesful, so the problems you are imagining don't show up.
I'm so excited about worst mechanics
Cumulative Upkeep can be worked around so easily these days there is no reason not run cards with it as it can be horrifically abused against the opposing player.
It can't ve worked out around without running otherwise janky cards. That's why no one plays them, even in EDH only a few are played
I like cumulative upkeep actually as a mechanic
Me too, there are interesting ways to use it. Execution just failed on lots of cards
Man, I was sure Braid of Fire was gonna be #1.
what about braid of fire?
9:36 number 8..... 3 you mean right?
Mana Chains kicks ass
Illusionary Presence, too.
Grunts only downside is it’s white. It would be in a lot of edh decks if it was black
Mystic Remora is obnoxious in EDH :)
WHAT IS YOUR OUTRO SONG?
Does anyone knows why juju bubble is so freaking horrible? What was the reasoning?
Lawl
This list plus soleminity, your welcome.
I am guessing any mechanic with a reprint is likely not on the worst mechanics list.
You would be wrong! Several mechanics that appeared in multiple sets will be on the list.
Why didn't Balduvian Shaman make the list?
That's a joke right?
@@NizzahonMagic Of course. Whenever I think of cumulative upkeep I think of such horrible cards as Shaman, with such a niche and overpriced garbage effect and, the one you named, Juju Bubble. I really like making fun of those cumulative upkeep cards.
Eon Hub ftw!
Have you already made top 10 gods
Not enough
How on earth is Braid of Fire not on this list?
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