and there it is...."if you violate a cultural norm that is so profound......" JP gets to decide which "cultural norms" are more profound than others....no different than the Taliban.
"The Sports Illustrated Spankatho-Swimsuit Edition is a cultural landmark, and I will defend it till I'm blue in the face. I will defend it today. I will defend it tomorrow. I will defend it every chance I get."
@@LogicalNimbus nice try.....only fundamentalists like JP & the Taliban & Evangelicals use religious text & pseudo-science to impose their views on the rest of us....dum dum never cites a study or data as justification for his claims....just talks out of his axx....because he has no proof...just like the Taliban...bring some data or stfu.
This is the regressive, right wing party line on this: transgenderism is destabilizing the country! No. The far right sees the writing on the wall. More Americans than ever before have no religious affiliation whatsoever. Not only do more Americans not agree with or believe in the fundamentalist theology of Christian birthright male headship, but they aren't living according to that worldview. More men are single. Single women continue to lead the nation in first-time home ownership. The nation isn't destabilized. Women don't have to get married, and largely resist the idea that they ought to submit to every single man because he's a man. And now transgender people are proving that a cocktail of hormones, surgery and practice can make gender truly a series of performances and aesthetics. Regressive conservative men and Christofascists know there is no way for them to stay on top just by being born with testicles and a penis. So they're doing everything they can to shove women and men back into the old boxes.
Great answer.that man has no moral fortitude,he wraps himself in his transphobic prejudices and expects us to swallow his drivel whilst trying vainly to validate his basic nastyness.
I don’t claim to understand what a trans person goes thru, but I certainly am not myopic enough to believe that because I don’t understand them it must be some perverse disorder that needs to be fixed.
Actually that is what people defend here: the dishonest concept of 'fixing' sold by a billion dollar industry that emerged when plastic tits came up. Now you fight for the most malicious exploitation of defenseless neurotic people by criminal grifters who ruin their somatic health.
In my country, it was a Christian hospital, at a time when they were still very strict about being Christian, that was the first to do gender transition operations. Because it’s NOT a mental illness, but a biological issue.
They also believe in the garden of eden, and that the way forward is the way back. The trick is to form them into a manageable herd that can be used to destroy democratic institutions and impose a dictatorship.
He’s like Trump in that he can rile up a conservative crowd by throwing out “ culture war “ red meat flash terms without having anything of true value to say. Just like Maher who’s screaming weekly that three year olds are being forced to get trans surgery .
“People can be confused for a long period of time.” They can also be hopped up on benzos for a long period of time and then travel to Russia for an induced coma treatment and emerge even more confused than they were before.
Such a devastating point. And one which any person with a modicum of self-awareness and respect for themselves would take as a helpful and honest, if not blunt cue that it was time for them to _peace the f#%k out_ of the public eye, take a huge step back and a very long break from social media (including by logging out and/or uninstalling if necessary), and just do whatever they needed to do to start working on an extensive deep dive (and this DOESN'T NEED TO BE ALONE) into themselves and of *everything* they've got going on. Y'know, re-evaluate personal perspectives and priorities. Consider the healthiness or unhealthiness of any relationships they might have, not just including romantic involvement. Or in a nutshell, very simply, slowing down, taking a breath, and just asking themselves "what's up" (we can ignore that question in our minds for years upon years on end without ever stopping to think about what that answer might be, because it can be genuinely uncomfortable to take one's subconscious awareness of their situation, problems, unhappiness, etc. into their conscious mind, but no matter what it might be, something is always up with all of us). BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE is going to be really, REALLY ugly for them if they don't change, get help, whatever it might be, especially for a public figure, and DOUBLE ESPECIALLY for a public figure like Jordan Peterson. But Peterson isn't a man with even that minute quantity of self-awareness and self-respect, let alone any freaking _wisdom_ lol. We can all see the signs with Peterson from a lightyear away, and people who disagree with everything he says are trying to warn him about the trajectory into madness, possibly addiction, and god knows what else which he's obviously on right now, but the man who exclaimed "I remember when pride used to be a sin" referring to the LGBTQ+ community is going to indisputably continue to live, or unfortunately die, by his own.
“He’s enticing young women to sterilise themselves” how? By just existing? What has Elliot page ever done to “entice” young people to transition? Other than transition himself.
JP and his ilk seriously think that "transgenderism" is some sort of fad. Yeah, I'm sure so many people are wanting to become another gender so they can face the idiotic and inane wrath of JP fanboys, religious conservatives, and other assorted societal reactionaries.
The biggest joke to me is that the whole 'sterilization' thing is what cishet people force on trans folk a lot of the time. Cishet people LOVE sterilizing people they don't like. So why are they made when people decide to do it voluntarily? Shouldn't they be happy?
In Jordan Peterson's perspective, Elliot Page is a child who needs to be protected from themselves. JP probably thinks that because in his point of view Elliot is actually a woman and therefore confused
Ah, not doing things that may upset the cultural norms of a conservative minority. That's it. That's the whole fucking game right there. "Don't do things that make me feel uncomfortable" - Jordan Peterson's entire philosophical world view exposed.
As with all things conservative, they project. Latching onto idioms like "Facts don't care about your feelings" are really expressions of their own will; they are desperate not only for others to consider their feelings, but for everyone to be beholden to them. It doesn't matter if its about nationalism, theism or being heterosexual, the conservative demands obedience. Especially amusing considering how often they pay lip service to "individualism"
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Is there anything more comical than the right wing haters appearing on various platforms to whine and cry about being cancelled, as they have access to speak to the country?
Men should be direct. I will now meander and mewl about many things to avoid anything resembling directness for the length of this video. That's pretty much JP.
This is the behavior of an abuser and gaslighter. When asked the question "Are trans people real?" and he replies "none of us truly know who we are" that is a classic abuser tactic when arguing. They philosophize and make the topic an abstraction at the right moment in an effort to try to confuse you. It's mentally abusive regardless of the context of which it's happening and regardless of whether they even realize that they are doing it.
And its a double standard, because people like that will fly into a rage if anyone suggests that they don't know themselves or aren't being honest about it. So its okay to question the existence of gay and trans folk... but not cishets? Interesting, isn't it? Personally I don't have any say in other peoples' identities. Just my own. I wish this was a more common viewpoint.
This. Especially at the end moving the goalpost for that trans fan of his by accepting that they may be self-actualized, but their existence "destabilizes the culture" it's unironically genocidal rhetoric.
@@andromidius I question the existence of specific people's cishet-edness all the time, whenever they talk about people "choosing" to be LGBTQ, citing the fact that I'm definitely cishet and can attest that I never had a choice in the matter, so the fact that they think that other people do suggests something very interesting about their own gender identity and/or sexuality.
I hate that this made me realize how skilled Peterson actually is at this. Hurwitz, to his credit, takes JBP to task on his misogynistic comments about the Swimsuit model. Peterson feigns agreement, but his words betray him. He acknowledges he was misogynistic but only indelicately so. Admitting a mistake, but not his message, only how it was delivered. He argued in bad faith with himself. It's incredible, and very shitty.
"Blaming others for your problems is a complete waste of time. When you do that, you don’t learn anything! You can’t grow and you can’t mature." Jordan Peterson
I can kind of understand freaking out at your concept of gender being turned upside down since it's such a foundational part of our identity. We really need PSAs and a much wider outreach scheme to try and educate older people so they have something to grab ahold of that isn't far right outrage.
And like, you know right away that people who deadname trans individuals are transphobic because of their straight friend just went and got their name changed legally, they would absolutely call them by their new name. If Joe Rogan changed his name to Jim Rogan, you can bet your ass Peterson would be calling him Jim right from the start. It's one thing to like, maybe forget that what you used to call them isn't their name anymore, but it's a whole nother thing when that person is someone in the media being talked about ALL THE TIME and because you're obsessed with the "culture war" there would be no fucking way you didn't know what their new name is by now.
I like to use the example of someone who converted to Islam and changed their name from Casius to Mohamed. And Peterson refusing to use the new name. Under laws that existed well before Bill C-16 that could easily be construed as a form of discrimination or harassment based on religion. Peterson wasn't freaking out about how religion should be removed from Canada's list of protected classes under the Human Rights Act because it was a "proper name" law.
He's already done it. Joe Rogan wasn't born Joe Rogan, he was born Joseph Rogan. He prefers to be called Joe and so everyone does it. Peterson doesn't even bother pretending to be confused by that, he just goes along with it because unlike with trans people, he respects Joe's humanity.
He's not saying that his viewers shouldn't respect what he says. He's saying they *should,* because his wisdom is saintly and absolute. However, when he delivers it in an incautious way, it may, perhaps, be conceivable, in *some* cases, that his viewers might NOT respect the full depth of that profound wisdom. But that's just because he's so much smarter than everyone else. Obviously.
@@aace6000 look at any video he makes these days there are hundreds at this point, let alone the very start of his public whining tour with him arguing against Bill C-16 in Canada.
That he was comparing doctors giving the official treatment for gender dysphoria to trans people to nazi doctors experimenting on people in the concentration camps when gays and trans people got the pink triangle in the camps should already have revoked his ability to work in his field with a public statement from the board on national TV
@@daniaallaf2032 i arrogantly assume you mean me :). The first transsurgery happened in 1930 in germany. The first known book about transsexuality was written in 1912 and part of the 20000 books from the institute of sexology nazis burned in 1933. The pink triangle is a marking Nazis used to signal that someone is a degenerate/untermensch that is grooming children, raping destroying the country (everything sex related that is not man-impragnates-woman basically). One of petersons first videos on Shapibos site was about not being able to call someone by their name if they had a different name in the past and pretend he is a toddler and confused by the accustical version of non existing object-permanance. Peterson then claimed doctors who perform trans surgery are butchers comparible to the doctors experimenting in concentration camps (maybe he said jews explicitly but Nazis experimented on gay,trans, political oppenent, criminals, roma... Everybody with a different colored triangle in short) I dont remember if he claimed doctors perform gender affirming surgery on children, as that is a blatant lie. The only gender affirming surgery allowed under 18 in USA are mastectomys (breast reductions) at 16 and above. Everything under 18 other than those are psychiatric treatment and hormone blockers, in some cases hormone therapy (if Im not mistaken). Non of which are irreversable. Hormone blockers are in use for over 40 years and well tested btw. I hope that satisfies your interest. The chart for the nazi triangles are preserved and online. You can look them up. Even though you have to know, Nazis didnt believe transgenderism could exist and didnt had a term as far as Im aware other then "degenerate" but hey. They were Nazis.
Jordan Peterson: Clean up your room, actualize yourself and improve your mental health! Trans people: Okay, *transitions* Jordan Peterson: No, not like that!
Jordan Peterson: You should be a monster. Transwoman: A mermaid! Jordan Peterson: No.., No..., No... What I said, Not what I meant; Do what I mean not what I say!
hmm can you show any evidence that transitioning actually improves a trans person's mental health? especially when we're talking about CHILDREN???? seems to me like the suicide rate is the same after transition, even after SRS...
If you've never heard of them, check out "Some More News." They recently did a very comprehensive deep dive into Mr. Peterson's very public and successful life outside of clinical psychology.
That people watch this guy and think he is some kinda wise guru is totally incomprehensible to me. He can go on and on about bullshit, never giving a clear answer and the only time he does get to a point, he makes fascist arguments.
Conservatism is like jazz: you need to listen to the things they don't say. Peterson says that you don't have the right to disrupt social norms; what he's not saying, but clearly believes, is that social norms are inherently good, presumably so long as they're norms that he values. Respect for and acceptance of transgender identity (and identities elsewhere on the spectrum) will, in time, become a cultural norm unto itself, if it's not already.
Did he state that people don't have "the right" to disrupt social norms? I hate when people use responses like "you have no right" when it's something completely legal and morally indifferent lmao
Sex therapist Miranda Galbreath posted a video on youtube saying pedophiles should be referred to as minor attracted persons. This is the next abhorrant behavior leftist perverts want to normalize.
As a free form jazzer I must say that you must always try to come up with something new and exciting. If you instead try to go backwards, sounding like it should in the 1950s, you’re out. So free form jazz is not conservative and longing for the past, like Jordan Peterson.
@@charadreemurr8673 She was a conservative who, during the 70s argued against the Equal Rights Amendment using the same type of absurd interpretations of the law that Peterson is now using to oppose trans rights. For example, she said that equal rights for the sexes would lead to judges, in the case of custody battles, being forced to divide the children up between the parents. So in a family with 4 kids, two would have to go to the father and 2 to the mother, because that's what equality means. It's obviously ridiculous, but it convinced plenty of conservatives back then. Most people don't know who she is now, because her arguments are so contrived. The only people who do know who she is usually are well versed in the rightful struggles that she fought against. Everyone (nearly), knows who Martin Luther king Jr is. His arguments have stood the test of time. Peterson, imo, will go the way of Schlafly, being unknown to the general population because as rights advance his arguments will be proven to be as equally vacuous and reactionary.
@@charadreemurr8673 Every Single Time ...that rights are advanced to a new group some conservative windbag materializes to interpret that advancement of rights to others as a restriction of rights for themselves. It's the "States' rights" argument. Over and over. And every time they are proven wrong.
"we need to talk about it for 5 000 hours (...) because who knows what someone really is?" They do. 5 000 hours = 208 days. Trans people need to spend at least a year living in the gender they identify as before any medical intervention. And they need to have medical accompaniment. Not to mention the years they spent thinking about it before they get to that point.
Many end up waiting at least three years before they are able to receive hormonal treatment, let alone surgeries. Many wait much longer in countries without nationalised healthcare, because they cannot afford it.
Not just that, but in many places trans people have to repeatedly see a licensed psychiatrist who specializes in gender identity issues, which is both not cheap and not readily available for most people. So it's not just wearing clothing and using a different name, you're also spending multiple hours being analyzed by someone with extensive training in psychology pertaining to gender and sexuality. Peterson is literally unqualified to see patients for transgender issues so his opinion on the matter, from a clinical psychology perspective, is completely worthless.
Peterson bloviates and rarely provides studies that support his claims. How arrogant and despicable. There was a video in which someone asked him if he thought he was a prophet/Messiah, and he actually had to think about it for far too long before responding. I heard he wanted to purchase a church in Canada so he could pontificate from the pulpit. What a sick, narcissistic excuse for a man.
Why are these people so sensitive about people just being the gender they are. Peterson goes out of his way to say "he/she" when he talks about Elliot. He's over complicating something so simple to understand. It would be easier to just say "he".🤷♂️
Peterson didn't get put into a medically induced coma because of his diet. It was because he was addicted to benzos and didn't want to deal with withdrawals.
Well he got there because he was suffering from major depression and anxiety, something he tried to self-cure by switching to this idiotic all-meat diet. When things started falling apart further, he was treated with benzos at a clinic, etc etc...
@@majuli8420 ummmm no he’s JUST AN ADDICT. Addicts love to invent excuse after excuse WHY they are. I know I did it for years. I was run over by my ex husband he’s in prison for it But I had to have 5 surgeries and almost lost my arm. I was obviously in massive pain and had to have opiates. Well of course I got addicted…. And I’d claim I COULDNT be an addict this wasn’t some choice…. Only when I flat out just ACCEPTED I was an addict. Period. Only THEN have I stayed clean 7yrs now…..
He - by his own accord - has numerous autoimmune afflictions, sometimes referred to as allergies by himself and his daughter. You know the whole story about him drinking cider and being overcome by an impending sense of doom all that? THAT'S why he bought into his daughters batshit crazy all meat and salt diet. His dependency on benzos seems to be a longer running thing although his last spiral which put him into a coma in a Russian clinic, was caused by his wife being diagnosed with cancer. P.s. his wife is the sad victim of most of this whole shutshow btw. The scenes she has with Peterson in the few documentaries about him seem to show a deeply unhealthy relationship and Peterson being a complete narcissist in his home as well. Last time I heard years ago, she recovered from her cancer though
@@rothendryranwina3680 Everyone views the world through the lens of their experience. I'd be more interested in finding out what triggers him about these things, because it's more than "normal" intolerance... maybe a trans person bit him while he was in his pusher as a child?
"Maybe!" Peterson does this so often. When somebody gives him a factual statement that's inconvenient to him, he simply questions its reality. He did the same with men and women in the same workspaces.
He's JAQing off. Instead of coming out and saying "I hate trans people" he can hide behind the plausible deniability of "maybe trans people are all demons from hell who have come to steal my eyes and force me to witness horrors beyond my comprehension but we just don't know, do we?!!???"
He is so arrogant and rude. The interviewer relates a story about a relative who transitioned and he says the person is now the right person and the best that person can be. To which Peterson who has never met and known the relative says "maybe"!
I feel really bad for anyone who still thinks Jordan has any idea what he's talking about. It's almost impressive how little thought he has put into what he preaches. Down right lazy
"everyone i don't like is a fascist or a nazi" safe to assume you just recently cheered on the war in Ukraine and the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump??????? or did you rightfully speak out against the Azov Battalion and the fascism of the FBI?
Let me break down your comment for you as someone who has been on both sides of the aisle and is a deep thinker. What you call, “mental gymnastics” is the act of a philosopher trying to get to the bottom of things - which isn’t easy. Fascists believe in top-down authority, which is the opposite of what JP believes in. If you listened to anything he’s said in good faith you would see that. And the belief of the Nazis, as Jordan has pointed out to EXHAUSTION, is something that he and right wingers like him have drawn a box around and publicly outlawed. The confidence that you have is astounding to me. How could someone criticize another when they know nothing about them, didn’t listen to them speak, didn’t internalize what they said if they did listen, and yet frame them as a “Nazi,” the most deplorable term that we Americans can use? You are despicable for using such words. You should be embarrassed. You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@cherylfowler1234 You are a self proclaimed "deep thinker" yet you 1. Call JP a philosopher and 2. You write an essay defending a despicable person from being called despicable.
He's nuttier without them. I think he really actually needed them to quell his mania and anger, as well as the crying jags. Dr. Ben Zo Diaz-Apine Demento needs to try some antipsychotics and atypical antipsychotics if he wishes to remain on an even keel. He needs to be medicated, and HEAVILY.
At least he's not doubling down on cutting off his man parts. At least he's not doubling down on a $70,000 surgery to manufacture fake reproductive organs. At least he's not doubling down on demanding society take part in his mental problems. At least he's not doubling down on denying the fact that he has a mental problems that needs serious therapy to reconcile. At least he's not doubling down on paying a surgeon to shave down the natural bones in his face. At least he can double down and stand behind truth and universally understood ideas about humanity and life. He can also double down on that fat check he's making sharing his ideas. He can Also double down on the fact that he's more successful than you or i. So maybe he is flawed in the fact that he doubled down (and rectified, I might add) on benzos to treat his mental problems but it certainly is not the only thing Doctor Jordan Brent Peterson can double down on.
I'm not saying that Jordan Peterson doesn't have the right to talk about which Sports Illustrated models he does or doesn't find hot. It's that he shouldn't be triumphant about it. We should talk about it for 5000 hours.
And I don't think he's the type of guy who normally reads Sports Illustrated. If he was, he'd have railed against gymnast Aly Raisman due to the fact that she's a body positivity advocate. She's not fat, so you'd have to read the article to get that (I didn't, I got that from her autobiography), but she was definitely fat shamed by USA Gymnastics because of the fact that female gymnasts are held to unrealistic standards of being built like sylphs a lot of the time (though I think Simone Biles might be helping to change that trajectory by showing how powerful physiques can help there), and so Raisman knows you don't even have to actually be fat to be on the receiving end of fat shaming. And I know that women who work on building muscle intentionally get fat shamed as well, and I have also seen magazine articles where women are shown wearing dresses that emphasize a powerful look and get fat shamed for it (I suspect that depends partly on which body is "on trend", but the thing is, real bodies aren't a trend, they are what bodies look like). So Aly Raisman definitely has a point there. One that Jordan Peterson didn't refute with his intellectual fluff only because he doesn't actually read Sports Illustrated.
Regardless of how I see you. If it hurts your feelings to be called something, I'm not gonna do it. It doesn't hurt my feelings at all to call you by the name you choose. Your a person just trying to present yourself to the world the way you want. Thats real freedom, and I support that.
The last statement is a full, succinct embodiment of fascism. I never want to hear Peterson complain about collectivism, when he advocates for a state apparatus predicated on cultural collectivism at the detriment of the individual for so much as expressing oneself.
20:18 "If in finding your true identity you violate a *cultural norm that's so profound*..." What a breathtakingly ignorant, authoritarian, anti-individualist statement to make. Anyone who thinks JP is some kind of pro-individualist, anti-authoritarian thinker needs to reconcile this.
So, it seems like Jordan Peterson doesn't care about science at all. People have studied gender, and the effects of social transitioning, the impact of hormones, the impact of surgery. Social transitioning has always existed through human history. But, even these medical interventions are not new and mysterious. Lots of people have done it, and it has received TONS maybe even too much scrutiny. And the bottom line in study after study is that it just works. But, there are other benefits to being a trans accepting society that we don't discuss as often, and that's the impact on people who aren't trans. Think of all the anxiety and self-hate that's tied to failing to fit perfectly within your assigned gender roll. Everyone feels this a little, some of us feel it a lot. In a world where trans people, including non-binary trans people are just part of the landscape that anxiety is suddenly very small. I think this is what really scares people like Peterson about trans acceptance. Peterson thinks that it's healthy to beat yourself up for failing to be "enough of a man" -- he thinks there's some value in little girls growing up with bulimia and anorexia for fear of being worthless. If all of those pathologies are exposed as artificial what will keep the swimsuit models thin? What will keep the boys tough? After all he grew up with all these things and cannot imagine a world without them. Or he imagines that such a world is one without borders, or standards. Which of course it isn't. The creativity and mental discipline that is wasted on conforming to gender roles will be applied to other projects. That could be scientific exploration, artistic creation, or simply taking good care of the elderly in your community. There is no inherent virtue in the suffering. And we have hard evidence that it's unproductive. Show me a improving purpose and I'll change my mind.
He's constantly contradicting himself as well. So, according to Peterskin, orientation is not immutable: gays can become straight through Conversion Therapy, but gender is fixed, and transpeople cannot have surgery. If he wants to insist it is detrimental to change something we're born as, then he should see it is unnatural to attempt to change one's sexual orientation. He's a bloody lunatic.
Please let them come to adulthood first. Would you give your child a gun to shoot their own dick off? or just give us surgeon a scalpel instead. And proclaim its for the child.. and not for your ideology?
Ending slavery was far more "destabilizing to a cultural norm" than the 2% of people becoming trans... It's pretty obvious what side of the abolitionist debate Jordan Peterson would have been on.
12:00 Isn't it interesting how Peterson isn't pointing at social media posts where cis women get cosmetic surgery, how his reaction to that isn't screaming "They're trying to convince men to get surgery and become sexy femboy pornstars!" It's almost like he only cares about attacking trans people on this particular issue, doesn't it?
Hi MR team, i am a trans girl and i have to say, gender dysphoria absolutely is a mental disorder, however the consensus on it in the medical and psychiatric community is, overwhelming, that medical and social transition is the best treatment for that disorder currently available. Jordan Peterson, however, is not a physician, nor is he a practicing psychologist or even a professor anymore, so why anyone should even humor his thoughts on the matter is beyond me. There are few people in public life less deserving of a career of any kind than this man, he is tedious, he is profoundly unintelligent and the fact that he is considered, by a large swath of our society, to be a public intellectual is a horror.
He does say some things that make a lot of sense, but overall, yes, he is overrated and speaks far, far too much about things he shouldn't. Namely his bizarre and irrational infatuation with Abrahamic monotheist myths/fables.
It kills me when I hear people lauding him and Shapiro as intellectuals. They are professional political crybabies. Likewise, the ability to string together coherent sentences with a little verbosity is a child's idea of intellectualism. What it takes to actually be intelligent and boundary pushing is much more than that. And that's one of the issues, Peterson is not boundary pushing in any way, he's embarrassingly proven multiple times that he's not even well versed on the study/theory behind his own core talking points that he went viral for. Tbh I'm astonished that his TH-cam career has made it this far
Actually, the consensus is that therapy and guidance without surgical and hormonal intervention will see that individual mature into their biological sex and homosexuality in adult life. The best treatment currently available is not for a for profit billion dollar medical growth industry to prey on confused kids and usher them through irreversible medical procedures. The social contagion of gender dysphoria is being reported in record numbers, in large part due to the minimisation of the severity of this decision by its most vocal proponents, in turn, victimising impressionable young people further. Sweden, Finland, the UK, and Norway all have concluded through longitudinal studies that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable, and now recommend addressing psychiatric co-morbidities, not gender affirming care. To say jordan doesn't deserve a career because he is aware of this fundamental reality and concerned with protecting children is absurd. Children deserve to be protected from an ideologically corrupt society, and medical industry.
My good friend Ash is Trans. Completely changed me being on the fence on it. He transitioned from a girl. He knew it as young as 6!!! Love the guy and so thankful to get the exposure.
He's tapping into the incel mindset for fun and profit. Young men who otherwise might take steps to improve themselves, in order to gain friends and attract potential lovers, are instead being validated by this man in their misery. Now, they can be great, attractive, influential people - if only the rest of society wasn't so mean and hateful to them in giving them the consequences for being boorish, selfish and entitled.
His argument is the most basic, fundamental tactic for fascists: "These people are our enemies. The are pathetically weak and mentally unwell. They are also somehow powerful enough to destroy our entire culture."
It's much worse than that but yeah. One thing I'd like to add is that those "too many people" are white christian nationalist, a.k.a. fascists. He's basically saying that China, the USSR, and Nazi Germany had it right and that we shouldn't progress but regress instead. If he dies tonight, I'm drinking to that, a lot! That's a promise!
@@morgancody6752 I wish people would loudly say this _every_ time someone whines about "cancel culture"-it is impotent envy and nostalgia for their own dominance.
Jordan Peterson's despicable combination of disingenuousness, misogyny, racism, bigotry, (and let's not forget the inherent patriarchy) and just general meanness of nature thinly disguised as pseudo-science is astounding.
Weird thing I noticed about myself. I’m cool with guys kissing, girls kissing, trans people - same argument Sam was talking about from the 90’s. But any form of PDA more than handholding is kinda gross to me. Id be just as uncomfortable to see a straight white couple kissing as I would with anyone else.
JP is quite dramatic isnt he? He can’t answer the simple question of whether or not trans people are real and deflects by saying you would need to talk 5000 hours about it, which is adjacent to saying it’s impossible to really know.
Jordan Peterson: We need to talk about it for 5,000 hours Also Jordan Peterson: Don’t speak publicly about it because it’s grooming. If neofascists didn’t have double standards they would have any at all:
I'm pretty sure he's saying that the scientists and psychologist should discuss the phenomena for 5,000 hours before we present it to the public as though we KNOW the facts on this topic when we don't. Especially when your presenting it to
Peterson didn't think through his career long enough, which is why he became a psychologist before he came out of the closet as an outright purveyor of hate and lies. He should have just started off with that, because obviously it's what makes him happy, and what he does far better than anything else.
3 Things: 1. It's clearly wrong to inflict prejudice/discrimination on someone who's already transitioned even if, for arguments sake, we assume that it was wrong for them to do so--full castration is obviously an excessive punishment for any offense. 2. The surgery involved in transitioning makes it very hard to believe that any cultural trend could convert anyone to transgenderism. 3. A point that needs to be made here is that people w/mental illness also constitute a wrongly marginalized group that deserves to be free from prejudice and discrimination.
I love how they ignore the arrogance that JP thinks it is right to judge about what women or men can do with their own body. Can’t he just leave them alone? He has no say in this thing!
Last time i checked the billion dollar plastic tits industry still destroyed other people's health, not their own. Seems you like corrupt surgeons and their exploitation of gullible neurotics.
It’s telling that Peterson defends his least defensible statements by dismissing them as “incautious” instead of “incorrect”. This means he believes _what_ he says is correct, and merely the fact _that_ he said it was incorrect. He’s basically admitting he’s a crypto-fascist.
Adding onto the statement about being trans for any Jordan Peterson watchers. It's definitely not something we can just "go and do." It takes so much confidence to tell people, let alone openly go and walk around even a few minutes as your actual gender identity. I struggle with even just wearing simple femme clothing at work even though everyone is aware, I feel as though I'm still being stared at. And yeah, I WISH I had the confidence that Elliot Page does, because that's awesome.
Meh. I’m like that, I think we’re born this way. It doesn’t take anything. I just freaking DO IT. I never got all the praise I’d get for being brave or this or that….. It just isn’t: JUST DO IT.
Also….I’m not trans but i can see why that might take courage, I guess? Frankly men wearing women stuff, just wear it. Women started wearing mens stuff and looking like men what 70yrs ago? No I’ve faced things and done stuff that takes TRUE ACTUAL COURAGE to face to do. Your talking societies judgement and frankly I always thought people that had SUCH HUGE ISSUES about what society things or reactions … Ummmmm well then they got HUGE issues they need therapy for imo. And that’s anyone that cares SOOOOO MUCH what strangers think or society. Christ, wtf….that’s what I mean. Us types that were born this way, not caring what this vacuous ephemeral “thing” is thinking of me or us….and just doing it….. Meh. You CAN BECOME like that but it’ll take massive work. And just turning trans and going as a girl isn’t gonna do it. NOT AT ALL.
don't you walk around "as your actual gender identity" all the time? like is it only "as your actual gender identity" when you take hormones or is it when you get surgery or is it when you "perform" that gender or is it just when you Identify "as your actual gender identity"...
@@spellman007 In our heads it all the time, but while in public it's entirely up to us individually if we're comfortable doing it and if we're not, we will say we're our assigned gender at birth to alleviate the situation. It's stressful stuff.
Look who knows how to use singular they/ them pronouns! 3 minutes in - Interviewer refers to single trans person's decision to transition - JP - "Right but people can be unbelievably confused for a very long period of time and the mere fact that it's been a long time that THEY'VE been confused doesn't mean that THEY thought it through when THEY make THEIR decision."
I wonder how much of the 5000 hours of talking about trans people Jordan requests could be put together from public statements made by Jordan alone. I wonder whether we have reached 5000 hours of talking about trans people just from the sum of TH-cam videos talking about it in the past week. He might have been speaking incautiously. I have found it in me to lose more respect for him from what I presumed to be a dry well.
It was a good podcast. What he could do is change his fundamental values and step away from the public eye. But that's not lucrative to the bank account.
He doesn’t ‘fold’ every time, he’s humble enough to listen and change his mind. Why does everyone revert to middle school bullying behavior any time Jordan is brought up.
@@sheridan7475 No he doesn't, he takes time to construct misleading and incoherent retorts that make no sense just to throw off his debate opponents. It's just word salad that appeals to those who want to feel smart.
I know they sound the same, but dysphoria and dysmorphia are completely different. I don't know why he feels the need to compare being trans to anorexia when they're entirely different experiences.
Cultural regression such as allowing dudes pretending to be women to parade their junk in women's safe places? Allowing a boy that was pretending to be a girl to rape a young girl in a bathroom like it happened in a Loundoun County school? Allowing a man pretending to be a woman to literally break the skull of an actual woman in a combat sport? Saying that lesbians are transphobes because they don't want to sleep with men that are pretending to be women? The trans movement cult is the embodiment of misoginy and is piece by piece taking every right that women have fought for in the last 100 years.
He thinks he's the arbiter of literally all knowledge. No one has ever *really* thought about or studied or searched for answers to anything before he has, nor can they until he has posed the question. It's like... impawssible. He's the much wordier, more pompous version of Trimp's "nobody knew/ nobody ever heard/ nobody's talking about but me"
‘Glad to meet you Joseph’ - ‘Actually, I prefer to be called Joe’ - ‘I refuse to recognise your preferred monicker but I believe it could lead to the death of western civilisation for reasons so complicated it would take 3 million light years to explain’
I wonder if Jordan Peterson would be willing to take a sociopathy test on camera. Like, tell him that it's a test to see how alpha he is, or something, then just publicly try and figure out whether he is capable of caring if he harms others, or even believes that other people have rights and feelings beyond what is convenient for him.
In many ways this is what Peterson is already unwittingly doing in front of the cameras. In his many appearances like this, he thinks he is imparting some form of wisdom to his followers. But many of us see him instead as actually revealing his personal struggles with his pathological mental health issues. It seems he can't stop himself from doing this, because he is clearly now completely addicted to the attention and the "high life" of being a celebrity.
If someone tells you call me this.. why wouldn't anyone not call them that. I could say my name is Robert but want you to call me Bobby, what's the difference?
14:52 - Talking about it for five thousand hours is his preferred method of avoiding having to give an uncynical and intellectually honest response to a simple question.
Peterson's argument is the classic: you can be gay just not in public. If you're loud about it you're encouraging others to be gay too and that's dangerous.
“If in finding your true identity, you violate a cultural norm that is so profound you destabilize the entire country, the entire culture, then maybe you don’t have the right to do that even if it actualizes yourself.” There it is. That’s the whole game. He believes the preservation of existing society tales precedence over the interests of the people that form it.
The most impressive thing Peterson has ever done, is the fact that he has to be debunked by so many different disciplines, because he talks about so much stuff he doesn't understand. From Biologist, to the Bar association of Canada, economics, fellow psychologists, philosophers, even supermodels are making fun of him. I'd di e of embrassement if I said even half the amount of things he has that were just so wrong and easily debunkable. Just the line about staying awake for 27 days due to Apple Cider would be too much on it's own. Yet for Peterson he just goes on, it's fascinating how one man can have such an undeserved ego and prefers to be ignorant on every topic he talks about, he is the defintion of Dunning Kruger.
Sure, Jordan Peterson knows more about trans people's lives and motivations than the people who actually live those lives 🙄 How did he come to be considered the great intellectual giant of our time? I find him quite unimpressive. 🤔
Jordan Peterson speaks but says nothing. Can someone help me out as to what his contributions to modern thought are exactly? Sure, his instant victim stance and pseudo-intellectual babbling are in line with OAN/Newsmax page-bottom chatline discourse, but how did this guy ever become a "thing?"
I disagree. His "incautious" statement was not that he was wrong -- he can't admit error -- but that he was impolitic and wreckless and speaking the truth too vigorously.
This idea of trendy trans baffles me. Who would want to transition and go through all that time, effort, and hardship, in a society that generally victimizes, others, hates on, and commits violence on trans people? No one is dealing with all of that just to be trendy or cool, especially knowing it's not like they can just snap their fingers and go back to how they were. The idea that there are many, if any people doing this to be cool or trendy is utterly absurd when you think about it. The process is so long and painful just to be hated on and attacked.
and there it is...."if you violate a cultural norm that is so profound......" JP gets to decide which "cultural norms" are more profound than others....no different than the Taliban.
No different then a Nazi concerned about cultural bolshevism.
"The Sports Illustrated Spankatho-Swimsuit Edition is a cultural landmark, and I will defend it till I'm blue in the face. I will defend it today. I will defend it tomorrow. I will defend it every chance I get."
Yikes, that means all activists are Taliban? Good point.
@@LogicalNimbus nice try.....only fundamentalists like JP & the Taliban & Evangelicals use religious text & pseudo-science to impose their views on the rest of us....dum dum never cites a study or data as justification for his claims....just talks out of his axx....because he has no proof...just like the Taliban...bring some data or stfu.
This is the regressive, right wing party line on this: transgenderism is destabilizing the country!
No.
The far right sees the writing on the wall. More Americans than ever before have no religious affiliation whatsoever.
Not only do more Americans not agree with or believe in the fundamentalist theology of Christian birthright male headship, but they aren't living according to that worldview. More men are single. Single women continue to lead the nation in first-time home ownership.
The nation isn't destabilized. Women don't have to get married, and largely resist the idea that they ought to submit to every single man because he's a man. And now transgender people are proving that a cocktail of hormones, surgery and practice can make gender truly a series of performances and aesthetics.
Regressive conservative men and Christofascists know there is no way for them to stay on top just by being born with testicles and a penis. So they're doing everything they can to shove women and men back into the old boxes.
Whenever that man is presented with even the slightest pushback, he shrivels up like a testicle in ice water.
That made me laugh. Good one.
Great answer.that man has no moral fortitude,he wraps himself in his transphobic prejudices and expects us to swallow his drivel whilst trying vainly to validate his basic nastyness.
@@tracygeddes5867 or you are just 2 muppets reflecting each other while the culprit party laughs eternally
He doesn’t seem to be a “happy camper”. But Im too stupid to recognize the “profound wisdom” I guess.
I’ve noticed he particularly likes going after women. Whenever it’s a man debating him it’s a different matter.
I don’t claim to understand what a trans person goes thru, but I certainly am not myopic enough to believe that because I don’t understand them it must be some perverse disorder that needs to be fixed.
Can i ask why do straight white men think they need to talk about everything that they don't understand?
Actually that is what people defend here: the dishonest concept of 'fixing' sold by a billion dollar industry that emerged when plastic tits came up. Now you fight for the most malicious exploitation of defenseless neurotic people by criminal grifters who ruin their somatic health.
In my country, it was a Christian hospital, at a time when they were still very strict about being Christian, that was the first to do gender transition operations. Because it’s NOT a mental illness, but a biological issue.
Why are you so sure that it isn't?
Peterson also said young men need to brought back into the church. Assume so they can be abused by those churches.
He's probably assuming the churches will reinforce his specific worldview.
The fact that ANYONE cares to hear what this guy says is insane to me
They also believe in the garden of eden, and that the way forward is the way back. The trick is to form them into a manageable herd that can be used to destroy democratic institutions and impose a dictatorship.
Go on…
He’s like Trump in that he can rile up a conservative crowd by throwing out “ culture war “ red meat flash terms without having anything of true value to say.
Just like Maher who’s screaming weekly that three year olds are being forced to get trans surgery .
@@TheDivayenta oh. Are 3 years olds making that decision?
There are a lot of lost desperate boys out there, looking for any guidance
“People can be confused for a long period of time.” They can also be hopped up on benzos for a long period of time and then travel to Russia for an induced coma treatment and emerge even more confused than they were before.
To be fair, he doesn't know who he is.
(I think I know what he is!)
That statement sung to me as well. I think it's projection.
Such a devastating point. And one which any person with a modicum of self-awareness and respect for themselves would take as a helpful and honest, if not blunt cue that it was time for them to _peace the f#%k out_ of the public eye, take a huge step back and a very long break from social media (including by logging out and/or uninstalling if necessary), and just do whatever they needed to do to start working on an extensive deep dive (and this DOESN'T NEED TO BE ALONE) into themselves and of *everything* they've got going on. Y'know, re-evaluate personal perspectives and priorities. Consider the healthiness or unhealthiness of any relationships they might have, not just including romantic involvement. Or in a nutshell, very simply, slowing down, taking a breath, and just asking themselves "what's up" (we can ignore that question in our minds for years upon years on end without ever stopping to think about what that answer might be, because it can be genuinely uncomfortable to take one's subconscious awareness of their situation, problems, unhappiness, etc. into their conscious mind, but no matter what it might be, something is always up with all of us).
BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE is going to be really, REALLY ugly for them if they don't change, get help, whatever it might be, especially for a public figure, and DOUBLE ESPECIALLY for a public figure like Jordan Peterson. But Peterson isn't a man with even that minute quantity of self-awareness and self-respect, let alone any freaking _wisdom_ lol. We can all see the signs with Peterson from a lightyear away, and people who disagree with everything he says are trying to warn him about the trajectory into madness, possibly addiction, and god knows what else which he's obviously on right now, but the man who exclaimed "I remember when pride used to be a sin" referring to the LGBTQ+ community is going to indisputably continue to live, or unfortunately die, by his own.
It's a journey of discovery to find the inner fascist. My inner fascist isn't getting me to the gym enough 😊
You read my thoughts 😃
He's against pro-choice sterilization but advocates for forced pregnancy?? So clearly he's not about freedom...
UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTS!
he's all about "freedumb."
@@IMPOTUSx2 and you’re about?
What the fuck is "forced pregnancy"? If you want to talk about rape call it rape. If not shut up!
@@LogicalNimbusreal freedom. But you wouldn't get that. If you ever do, the left will welcome you, but I'm guessing you're too indoctrinated
“He’s enticing young women to sterilise themselves” how? By just existing? What has Elliot page ever done to “entice” young people to transition? Other than transition himself.
"Other than transition himself" Yeah, that'll do it in his opinion
JP and his ilk seriously think that "transgenderism" is some sort of fad. Yeah, I'm sure so many people are wanting to become another gender so they can face the idiotic and inane wrath of JP fanboys, religious conservatives, and other assorted societal reactionaries.
The biggest joke to me is that the whole 'sterilization' thing is what cishet people force on trans folk a lot of the time. Cishet people LOVE sterilizing people they don't like. So why are they made when people decide to do it voluntarily? Shouldn't they be happy?
If it weren't for him, most people would have seen Elliot Page in a news story, then went about their lives and that would have been about it.
In Jordan Peterson's perspective, Elliot Page is a child who needs to be protected from themselves. JP probably thinks that because in his point of view Elliot is actually a woman and therefore confused
Ah, not doing things that may upset the cultural norms of a conservative minority. That's it. That's the whole fucking game right there. "Don't do things that make me feel uncomfortable" - Jordan Peterson's entire philosophical world view exposed.
As with all things conservative, they project. Latching onto idioms like "Facts don't care about your feelings" are really expressions of their own will; they are desperate not only for others to consider their feelings, but for everyone to be beholden to them. It doesn't matter if its about nationalism, theism or being heterosexual, the conservative demands obedience. Especially amusing considering how often they pay lip service to "individualism"
"do things" = just existing
But, but, we're all disrupting society with our non-
Jordan-Peterson-ness!
add in some goofy hand gestures and the performative gesturing insisting he is 'dangerous' and 'cancelled' LOL these poor kids
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Is there anything more comical than the right wing haters appearing on various platforms to whine and cry about being cancelled, as they have access to speak to the country?
Men should be direct. I will now meander and mewl about many things to avoid anything resembling directness for the length of this video.
That's pretty much JP.
Maybe its a cry for help?
Though I don't want him as a trans sibling. I'm an accepting person, but I have limits.
Good point. For a man so obsessed with classic masculinity, he certainly doesn’t demonstrate the directness of speech associated with it.
This is the behavior of an abuser and gaslighter. When asked the question "Are trans people real?" and he replies "none of us truly know who we are" that is a classic abuser tactic when arguing. They philosophize and make the topic an abstraction at the right moment in an effort to try to confuse you. It's mentally abusive regardless of the context of which it's happening and regardless of whether they even realize that they are doing it.
And its a double standard, because people like that will fly into a rage if anyone suggests that they don't know themselves or aren't being honest about it.
So its okay to question the existence of gay and trans folk... but not cishets? Interesting, isn't it?
Personally I don't have any say in other peoples' identities. Just my own. I wish this was a more common viewpoint.
This. Especially at the end moving the goalpost for that trans fan of his by accepting that they may be self-actualized, but their existence "destabilizes the culture" it's unironically genocidal rhetoric.
@@andromidius I question the existence of specific people's cishet-edness all the time, whenever they talk about people "choosing" to be LGBTQ, citing the fact that I'm definitely cishet and can attest that I never had a choice in the matter, so the fact that they think that other people do suggests something very interesting about their own gender identity and/or sexuality.
Yes; yes it most certainly does.
@@lnsflare1 YES! That has been my argument.
I hate that this made me realize how skilled Peterson actually is at this. Hurwitz, to his credit, takes JBP to task on his misogynistic comments about the Swimsuit model. Peterson feigns agreement, but his words betray him. He acknowledges he was misogynistic but only indelicately so. Admitting a mistake, but not his message, only how it was delivered. He argued in bad faith with himself. It's incredible, and very shitty.
He's not skilled, everyone can see what he's doing, bsing. You just realized he's self aware.
He's a glorified car salesman.
He's just playing the artful dodger, it's a skill that any internet troll can pick up
"Blaming others for your problems is a complete waste of time. When you do that, you don’t learn anything! You can’t grow and you can’t mature."
Jordan Peterson
@@olivervision Tidy your room - it's magic!
What's weirder, feeling like you were born the wrong gender or obsessing over people who feel they were born the wrong gender?
idk. being trans can be pretty wild but it’s not so bad once you get used to it
I can kind of understand freaking out at your concept of gender being turned upside down since it's such a foundational part of our identity. We really need PSAs and a much wider outreach scheme to try and educate older people so they have something to grab ahold of that isn't far right outrage.
Seriously. I couldn’t imagine what these people are going through. We should be sympathizers with them.
@@allprogressivesarechildgro7761 Practice what you preach, "Alabama".
Probably the former, but at least trans people seem capable of taking steps to rectify the situation, transphobes seem to be forever stuck obsessing.
And like, you know right away that people who deadname trans individuals are transphobic because of their straight friend just went and got their name changed legally, they would absolutely call them by their new name. If Joe Rogan changed his name to Jim Rogan, you can bet your ass Peterson would be calling him Jim right from the start. It's one thing to like, maybe forget that what you used to call them isn't their name anymore, but it's a whole nother thing when that person is someone in the media being talked about ALL THE TIME and because you're obsessed with the "culture war" there would be no fucking way you didn't know what their new name is by now.
I like to use the example of someone who converted to Islam and changed their name from Casius to Mohamed. And Peterson refusing to use the new name.
Under laws that existed well before Bill C-16 that could easily be construed as a form of discrimination or harassment based on religion.
Peterson wasn't freaking out about how religion should be removed from Canada's list of protected classes under the Human Rights Act because it was a "proper name" law.
He's already done it. Joe Rogan wasn't born Joe Rogan, he was born Joseph Rogan. He prefers to be called Joe and so everyone does it. Peterson doesn't even bother pretending to be confused by that, he just goes along with it because unlike with trans people, he respects Joe's humanity.
Peterson walks in where angels fear to tread.
He's not saying that his viewers shouldn't respect what he says. He's saying they *should,* because his wisdom is saintly and absolute. However, when he delivers it in an incautious way, it may, perhaps, be conceivable, in *some* cases, that his viewers might NOT respect the full depth of that profound wisdom. But that's just because he's so much smarter than everyone else.
Obviously.
Jordan “I believe in freedom only for me but not for others” Peterson.
yes. He's a very typical conservative.
"please tread on others"
But I m speshul
PLEASE QUOTE EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID OR DID TO MAKE YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.
@@aace6000 look at any video he makes these days there are hundreds at this point, let alone the very start of his public whining tour with him arguing against Bill C-16 in Canada.
If Jordan Peterson can't see why anorexia and transgenderism are not analogous then he should give up his job. He can't recognise simple differences.
He kinda did give up his job. People need to recognize he is no longer a credible source on psychology (or never was) he is a right wing commentator
That he was comparing doctors giving the official treatment for gender dysphoria to trans people to nazi doctors experimenting on people in the concentration camps when gays and trans people got the pink triangle in the camps should already have revoked his ability to work in his field with a public statement from the board on national TV
Can you tell me more about this? I’ve never thought about it that way
@@daniaallaf2032 i arrogantly assume you mean me :).
The first transsurgery happened in 1930 in germany. The first known book about transsexuality was written in 1912 and part of the 20000 books from the institute of sexology nazis burned in 1933. The pink triangle is a marking Nazis used to signal that someone is a degenerate/untermensch that is grooming children, raping destroying the country (everything sex related that is not man-impragnates-woman basically).
One of petersons first videos on Shapibos site was about not being able to call someone by their name if they had a different name in the past and pretend he is a toddler and confused by the accustical version of non existing object-permanance.
Peterson then claimed doctors who perform trans surgery are butchers comparible to the doctors experimenting in concentration camps (maybe he said jews explicitly but Nazis experimented on gay,trans, political oppenent, criminals, roma... Everybody with a different colored triangle in short)
I dont remember if he claimed doctors perform gender affirming surgery on children, as that is a blatant lie. The only gender affirming surgery allowed under 18 in USA are mastectomys (breast reductions) at 16 and above. Everything under 18 other than those are psychiatric treatment and hormone blockers, in some cases hormone therapy (if Im not mistaken). Non of which are irreversable. Hormone blockers are in use for over 40 years and well tested btw.
I hope that satisfies your interest. The chart for the nazi triangles are preserved and online. You can look them up. Even though you have to know, Nazis didnt believe transgenderism could exist and didnt had a term as far as Im aware other then "degenerate" but hey. They were Nazis.
I tried explaining this difference to a creationist with a PhD in fruit breeding and he doubled down on saying they're the same.
love how it's Jordan Peterson who gets to decide if trans people are making "mistakes," not THIRTY FIVE year old Elliot Page
But Jordan Peterson is an expert in Jungian Psychology. He HAS to always know what he's talking about all the time and is never wrong ever.
@@jodajoda2863 According to him. How... circular.
Allow me to simplify Jordan Peterson's entire philosophy...
"Whatever I do is right, whatever you do is wrong"
'I'm right and you're wrong, I'm smart and you're dumb."
"No refunds".
This thread gave me a delightful image of Michael reciting Matilda lines in Jordan Peterson and it's the first thing that made me smile all day.
@@josephgreear5789 happy to spread joy Joe ;]
Also that's totally what I was going for
@NostradamusJr. I don't think he even thinks about the 2nd part
Jordan Peterson: Clean up your room, actualize yourself and improve your mental health!
Trans people: Okay, *transitions*
Jordan Peterson: No, not like that!
this
Abigail Thorn did this as a bit in her Jordan Peterson video.
Jordan Peterson: You should be a monster.
Transwoman: A mermaid!
Jordan Peterson: No.., No..., No... What I said, Not what I meant; Do what I mean not what I say!
hmm can you show any evidence that transitioning actually improves a trans person's mental health? especially when we're talking about CHILDREN???? seems to me like the suicide rate is the same after transition, even after SRS...
@@sirspookington No wait not like that! Delete this!
He wants to tell other people how to lead their lives but gets offended if they show him that there are other possibilities to get by just fine.
Can't stand that dude. Instead of having a straight up discussion he plays with definitions. It's a debate tactic of someone who is losing.
If you've never heard of them, check out "Some More News."
They recently did a very comprehensive deep dive into Mr. Peterson's very public and successful life outside of clinical psychology.
Peterson is far more concerned with sounding correct than being correct. He's an egotistical sophist.
@@jonahkaun891 That was a great and concise, even bite-sized clip, yeah.
Semantics, my son.
@@jonahkaun891 it's also an extremely brief video, the Cody's Showdy has done it again
That people watch this guy and think he is some kinda wise guru is totally incomprehensible to me. He can go on and on about bullshit, never giving a clear answer and the only time he does get to a point, he makes fascist arguments.
From what I hear that sounds a lot like Joe Rogan too.
He's justifying hate for people.
I agree. This is the same person who said he was Christian but also said that if every human mind stop existing so would God lol.
Agree. A master of double-speak. Such a fraud
@Rachel Landry idk, we might need about 5000 hours of discussion to be sure.
Peterson is more "confused" than any trans person. Total narcissist, he needs so much therapy.
Conservatism is like jazz: you need to listen to the things they don't say. Peterson says that you don't have the right to disrupt social norms; what he's not saying, but clearly believes, is that social norms are inherently good, presumably so long as they're norms that he values. Respect for and acceptance of transgender identity (and identities elsewhere on the spectrum) will, in time, become a cultural norm unto itself, if it's not already.
Did he state that people don't have "the right" to disrupt social norms? I hate when people use responses like "you have no right" when it's something completely legal and morally indifferent lmao
Sex therapist Miranda Galbreath posted a video on youtube saying pedophiles should be referred to as minor attracted persons.
This is the next abhorrant behavior leftist perverts want to normalize.
It's like jazz... in the way that they make it up as they go.
As a free form jazzer I must say that you must always try to come up with something new and exciting. If you instead try to go backwards, sounding like it should in the 1950s, you’re out. So free form jazz is not conservative and longing for the past, like Jordan Peterson.
'you can't disrupt social norms' -Jordan Peterson, an Intellectual whom is clearly not familiar with any history books
Please let this weirdo fade into obscurity
Do you know who Phylis Schlafly is?
@@hhiippiittyy Sadly I do 🤦♂️
@@hhiippiittyy who is that?
@@charadreemurr8673
She was a conservative who, during the 70s argued against the Equal Rights Amendment using the same type of absurd interpretations of the law that Peterson is now using to oppose trans rights.
For example, she said that equal rights for the sexes would lead to judges, in the case of custody battles, being forced to divide the children up between the parents. So in a family with 4 kids, two would have to go to the father and 2 to the mother, because that's what equality means. It's obviously ridiculous, but it convinced plenty of conservatives back then.
Most people don't know who she is now, because her arguments are so contrived. The only people who do know who she is usually are well versed in the rightful struggles that she fought against. Everyone (nearly), knows who Martin Luther king Jr is. His arguments have stood the test of time.
Peterson, imo, will go the way of Schlafly, being unknown to the general population because as rights advance his arguments will be proven to be as equally vacuous and reactionary.
@@charadreemurr8673
Every
Single
Time
...that rights are advanced to a new group some conservative windbag materializes to interpret that advancement of rights to others as a restriction of rights for themselves.
It's the "States' rights" argument. Over and over.
And every time they are proven wrong.
The fact that he is denying someone he has never even met, there identity is baffling
"we need to talk about it for 5 000 hours (...) because who knows what someone really is?"
They do. 5 000 hours = 208 days. Trans people need to spend at least a year living in the gender they identify as before any medical intervention. And they need to have medical accompaniment.
Not to mention the years they spent thinking about it before they get to that point.
Many end up waiting at least three years before they are able to receive hormonal treatment, let alone surgeries. Many wait much longer in countries without nationalised healthcare, because they cannot afford it.
@@edwardkantowicz4707 Exactly.
Damn...I'm AMAB, and live in a deep red conservative state...
Comments like these really make me realize I don't have much hope...
Not just that, but in many places trans people have to repeatedly see a licensed psychiatrist who specializes in gender identity issues, which is both not cheap and not readily available for most people. So it's not just wearing clothing and using a different name, you're also spending multiple hours being analyzed by someone with extensive training in psychology pertaining to gender and sexuality. Peterson is literally unqualified to see patients for transgender issues so his opinion on the matter, from a clinical psychology perspective, is completely worthless.
Peterson bloviates and rarely provides studies that support his claims. How arrogant and despicable. There was a video in which someone asked him if he thought he was a prophet/Messiah, and he actually had to think about it for far too long before responding. I heard he wanted to purchase a church in Canada so he could pontificate from the pulpit. What a sick, narcissistic excuse for a man.
Why are these people so sensitive about people just being the gender they are. Peterson goes out of his way to say "he/she" when he talks about Elliot. He's over complicating something so simple to understand. It would be easier to just say "he".🤷♂️
That's how it flows
it's just as easy (and correct) to say she.
You people are fascinating to watch lol
@@spellman007 Okay little girl.
@@LogicalNimbus I love it when fascists don't notice the number of times they say "you people."
I will never not laugh at Sam's Jordan Peterson voice lol.
will always be a cheap knock off compared to michael brooks JP voice lol 🙏😆
You can laugh more by looking in the mirror
@@karankapoor2701 Why, did OP tape a photo of you on it, as a warning against neglecting their personal hygiene?
@@lnsflare1 Burning people is illegal, good sir/ma'am
@@karankapoor2701 i can laugh even more at the clinical psychologist who didnt know benzos were addictive
"No one knows who we really are." Such a post modern take from someone who claims to hate it
Peterson didn't get put into a medically induced coma because of his diet. It was because he was addicted to benzos and didn't want to deal with withdrawals.
Well he got there because he was suffering from major depression and anxiety, something he tried to self-cure by switching to this idiotic all-meat diet. When things started falling apart further, he was treated with benzos at a clinic, etc etc...
@@majuli8420 I think he was on benzos way before any of that, just a convenient excuse.
Great pic
@@majuli8420 ummmm no he’s JUST AN ADDICT.
Addicts love to invent excuse after excuse WHY they are. I know I did it for years.
I was run over by my ex husband he’s in prison for it
But I had to have 5 surgeries and almost lost my arm.
I was obviously in massive pain and had to have opiates.
Well of course I got addicted….
And I’d claim I COULDNT be an addict this wasn’t some choice….
Only when I flat out just ACCEPTED I was an addict. Period.
Only THEN have I stayed clean 7yrs now…..
He - by his own accord - has numerous autoimmune afflictions, sometimes referred to as allergies by himself and his daughter. You know the whole story about him drinking cider and being overcome by an impending sense of doom all that?
THAT'S why he bought into his daughters batshit crazy all meat and salt diet.
His dependency on benzos seems to be a longer running thing although his last spiral which put him into a coma in a Russian clinic, was caused by his wife being diagnosed with cancer.
P.s. his wife is the sad victim of most of this whole shutshow btw. The scenes she has with Peterson in the few documentaries about him seem to show a deeply unhealthy relationship and Peterson being a complete narcissist in his home as well. Last time I heard years ago, she recovered from her cancer though
“None of know who we are “ Elliott Page knows. Maybe the issue is Jordan Peterson doesn’t know who he is and he’s jealous.
Peterson will spend 5,000 hours talking about who someone really is but won't spend 5 hours reading the scientific literature.
He is a classic know it all professor who applies his "specialty" as a lense to everything
@@rothendryranwina3680 Everyone views the world through the lens of their experience. I'd be more interested in finding out what triggers him about these things, because it's more than "normal" intolerance... maybe a trans person bit him while he was in his pusher as a child?
@@BlackHearthguard stoopid. he's read more scientific literature than you could imagine
What is science?
Science is not experimenting on children.
"Maybe!" Peterson does this so often. When somebody gives him a factual statement that's inconvenient to him, he simply questions its reality. He did the same with men and women in the same workspaces.
Very postmodern of him lmao
@@ismth Perfect!
You hate him
He's JAQing off. Instead of coming out and saying "I hate trans people" he can hide behind the plausible deniability of "maybe trans people are all demons from hell who have come to steal my eyes and force me to witness horrors beyond my comprehension but we just don't know, do we?!!???"
He is so arrogant and rude. The interviewer relates a story about a relative who transitioned and he says the person is now the right person and the best that person can be. To which Peterson who has never met and known the relative says "maybe"!
I feel really bad for anyone who still thinks Jordan has any idea what he's talking about. It's almost impressive how little thought he has put into what he preaches. Down right lazy
That meat only diet seems to be rotting what little brain he had left
It's 90% RAW beef, and tonnes of salt. No veg, and zero fibre. He's nothing but a rallow-soaked fruitcake at this point.
Tallow-soaked
Yeah, remember that time he got owned by Jim Jefferies a comedian with no background in academia.
and all he does is preach too, evangelizing to his class or meat club and lobster mafia
my god the mental gymnastics this man does with everything. to somehow end up always with the same conclusions as facists, or neo nazis is insane.
it's deliberate
"everyone i don't like is a fascist or a nazi" safe to assume you just recently cheered on the war in Ukraine and the FBI raid on former President Donald Trump??????? or did you rightfully speak out against the Azov Battalion and the fascism of the FBI?
I think you need to re-examine what those words mean.
Let me break down your comment for you as someone who has been on both sides of the aisle and is a deep thinker. What you call, “mental gymnastics” is the act of a philosopher trying to get to the bottom of things - which isn’t easy.
Fascists believe in top-down authority, which is the opposite of what JP believes in. If you listened to anything he’s said in good faith you would see that. And the belief of the Nazis, as Jordan has pointed out to EXHAUSTION, is something that he and right wingers like him have drawn a box around and publicly outlawed. The confidence that you have is astounding to me. How could someone criticize another when they know nothing about them, didn’t listen to them speak, didn’t internalize what they said if they did listen, and yet frame them as a “Nazi,” the most deplorable term that we Americans can use? You are despicable for using such words. You should be embarrassed. You don’t know what you are talking about.
@@cherylfowler1234 You are a self proclaimed "deep thinker" yet you 1. Call JP a philosopher and 2. You write an essay defending a despicable person from being called despicable.
The only thing Jordy can "double-down" on is Benzos. 🙄😒
He's nuttier without them. I think he really actually needed them to quell his mania and anger, as well as the crying jags. Dr. Ben Zo Diaz-Apine Demento needs to try some antipsychotics and atypical antipsychotics if he wishes to remain on an even keel. He needs to be medicated, and HEAVILY.
More meat needed here.
Dang son
At least he's not doubling down on cutting off his man parts. At least he's not doubling down on a $70,000 surgery to manufacture fake reproductive organs. At least he's not doubling down on demanding society take part in his mental problems. At least he's not doubling down on denying the fact that he has a mental problems that needs serious therapy to reconcile. At least he's not doubling down on paying a surgeon to shave down the natural bones in his face. At least he can double down and stand behind truth and universally understood ideas about humanity and life. He can also double down on that fat check he's making sharing his ideas. He can Also double down on the fact that he's more successful than you or i. So maybe he is flawed in the fact that he doubled down (and rectified, I might add) on benzos to treat his mental problems but it certainly is not the only thing Doctor Jordan Brent Peterson can double down on.
Mocking drug addiction because you don't like an individual. Grow up.
I'm not saying that Jordan Peterson doesn't have the right to talk about which Sports Illustrated models he does or doesn't find hot. It's that he shouldn't be triumphant about it. We should talk about it for 5000 hours.
And I don't think he's the type of guy who normally reads Sports Illustrated. If he was, he'd have railed against gymnast Aly Raisman due to the fact that she's a body positivity advocate. She's not fat, so you'd have to read the article to get that (I didn't, I got that from her autobiography), but she was definitely fat shamed by USA Gymnastics because of the fact that female gymnasts are held to unrealistic standards of being built like sylphs a lot of the time (though I think Simone Biles might be helping to change that trajectory by showing how powerful physiques can help there), and so Raisman knows you don't even have to actually be fat to be on the receiving end of fat shaming. And I know that women who work on building muscle intentionally get fat shamed as well, and I have also seen magazine articles where women are shown wearing dresses that emphasize a powerful look and get fat shamed for it (I suspect that depends partly on which body is "on trend", but the thing is, real bodies aren't a trend, they are what bodies look like). So Aly Raisman definitely has a point there. One that Jordan Peterson didn't refute with his intellectual fluff only because he doesn't actually read Sports Illustrated.
And we can tell him off for seriously claiming that putting a model he isn't attracted to on a magazine cover is authoritarianism.
Regardless of how I see you. If it hurts your feelings to be called something, I'm not gonna do it. It doesn't hurt my feelings at all to call you by the name you choose. Your a person just trying to present yourself to the world the way you want. Thats real freedom, and I support that.
It's not exactly that simple.
Talk about bad role models. People should keep you away from their kids.
If only more people good engage their empathy like you
@Wonder Woman It took me a while to get here, but thanks.
Ignore the transphobes in the comments. You're right. Basic empathy isnt hard.
Peterson: I'm not convincing people to sterilize themselves
Also Peterson: Promotes an all meat diet which left him impotent
Well, he has zero f**kabilty, so he shouldn’t be so sensitive about his impotence.
And his diet caused him so much pain he got addicted to benzos.
his bones would probably snap like twigs lol
Yeah, but you see; he was encouraging people not to follow his advise when he was being uncautious.
Man was already impotent. His 'daughters' just the leftovers of his wifes affairs XD
The last statement is a full, succinct embodiment of fascism. I never want to hear Peterson complain about collectivism, when he advocates for a state apparatus predicated on cultural collectivism at the detriment of the individual for so much as expressing oneself.
Stopping using words you don’t know the meaning of
@@willr4849 Which ones were misused?
20:18 "If in finding your true identity you violate a *cultural norm that's so profound*..."
What a breathtakingly ignorant, authoritarian, anti-individualist statement to make. Anyone who thinks JP is some kind of pro-individualist, anti-authoritarian thinker needs to reconcile this.
So, it seems like Jordan Peterson doesn't care about science at all. People have studied gender, and the effects of social transitioning, the impact of hormones, the impact of surgery. Social transitioning has always existed through human history. But, even these medical interventions are not new and mysterious. Lots of people have done it, and it has received TONS maybe even too much scrutiny. And the bottom line in study after study is that it just works.
But, there are other benefits to being a trans accepting society that we don't discuss as often, and that's the impact on people who aren't trans. Think of all the anxiety and self-hate that's tied to failing to fit perfectly within your assigned gender roll. Everyone feels this a little, some of us feel it a lot. In a world where trans people, including non-binary trans people are just part of the landscape that anxiety is suddenly very small.
I think this is what really scares people like Peterson about trans acceptance. Peterson thinks that it's healthy to beat yourself up for failing to be "enough of a man" -- he thinks there's some value in little girls growing up with bulimia and anorexia for fear of being worthless. If all of those pathologies are exposed as artificial what will keep the swimsuit models thin? What will keep the boys tough? After all he grew up with all these things and cannot imagine a world without them.
Or he imagines that such a world is one without borders, or standards.
Which of course it isn't.
The creativity and mental discipline that is wasted on conforming to gender roles will be applied to other projects. That could be scientific exploration, artistic creation, or simply taking good care of the elderly in your community. There is no inherent virtue in the suffering. And we have hard evidence that it's unproductive.
Show me a improving purpose and I'll change my mind.
what do you expect. he doesn't think we know if "men and women can work together, it's never been done before."
He talks in circles and thank you for calling him out.
He's constantly contradicting himself as well. So, according to Peterskin, orientation is not immutable: gays can become straight through Conversion Therapy, but gender is fixed, and transpeople cannot have surgery. If he wants to insist it is detrimental to change something we're born as, then he should see it is unnatural to attempt to change one's sexual orientation. He's a bloody lunatic.
His philosophy is nothing but non sequiturs and word salad.
Any suggestions?
@@boogynights How about JP sticks his head in a bucket of water 3 times, but takes it out only twice?
@@BlackHearthguard this was for the reply for Sammy.
“None of us know who we really are”
And yet he can decide someone can’t transition,
Was this a Freudian slip by Jordan, I wonder?
Please let them come to adulthood first.
Would you give your child a gun to shoot their own dick off? or just give us surgeon a scalpel instead.
And proclaim its for the child.. and not for your ideology?
By the looks of you I'm sure you haven't been called a breeder because you had children and try to propagate a good society.
Oh my God? He's not allowed to be public about it..
Hippocrates never look in a mirror.
Somehow everyone is confused but Peterson. Daily reminder that Peterson is confused enough to sell self-help books while he's addicted to drugs.
Is that why he looks like that I thought it was because it went on that all meat diet and it made him look horrible
@@brandonfitzgerald8831 I'm sure the all-meat diet is as horrible for his health as the drugs, I'd be crying all the time too if that was all I ate
He is like the original Omega man.
Ending slavery was far more "destabilizing to a cultural norm" than the 2% of people becoming trans... It's pretty obvious what side of the abolitionist debate Jordan Peterson would have been on.
Keep on projecting 👌
@@sampedro9316 I think you need to understand the definition of "projecting".
@@sampedro9316 projecting what?
He would oppose black people transitioning from slave to free person. Can't destabilise society!
12:00 Isn't it interesting how Peterson isn't pointing at social media posts where cis women get cosmetic surgery, how his reaction to that isn't screaming "They're trying to convince men to get surgery and become sexy femboy pornstars!" It's almost like he only cares about attacking trans people on this particular issue, doesn't it?
3:23 This dude is definitely regretting all of the life choices he made that brought him in the middle of this conversation.
😆
🤣🤣😭😭😭😅
Hey, he’s a better man than I am, I would have throat punched JP and said “I’m out”
That's Jonathan Pageau, Orthodox Icon carver and has youtube channel. JP's fan and quite anti-trans himself.
@@Second247 Oh…
Jordan Peterson thinks he's a genius trapped in Joran Peterson's body
Hi MR team, i am a trans girl and i have to say, gender dysphoria absolutely is a mental disorder, however the consensus on it in the medical and psychiatric community is, overwhelming, that medical and social transition is the best treatment for that disorder currently available. Jordan Peterson, however, is not a physician, nor is he a practicing psychologist or even a professor anymore, so why anyone should even humor his thoughts on the matter is beyond me. There are few people in public life less deserving of a career of any kind than this man, he is tedious, he is profoundly unintelligent and the fact that he is considered, by a large swath of our society, to be a public intellectual is a horror.
He does say some things that make a lot of sense, but overall, yes, he is overrated and speaks far, far too much about things he shouldn't. Namely his bizarre and irrational infatuation with Abrahamic monotheist myths/fables.
It kills me when I hear people lauding him and Shapiro as intellectuals. They are professional political crybabies.
Likewise, the ability to string together coherent sentences with a little verbosity is a child's idea of intellectualism. What it takes to actually be intelligent and boundary pushing is much more than that. And that's one of the issues, Peterson is not boundary pushing in any way, he's embarrassingly proven multiple times that he's not even well versed on the study/theory behind his own core talking points that he went viral for. Tbh I'm astonished that his TH-cam career has made it this far
AMEN!
He’s merely justifying his transphobia with superfluous BS.
Actually, the consensus is that therapy and guidance without surgical and hormonal intervention will see that individual mature into their biological sex and homosexuality in adult life. The best treatment currently available is not for a for profit billion dollar medical growth industry to prey on confused kids and usher them through irreversible medical procedures. The social contagion of gender dysphoria is being reported in record numbers, in large part due to the minimisation of the severity of this decision by its most vocal proponents, in turn, victimising impressionable young people further. Sweden, Finland, the UK, and Norway all have concluded through longitudinal studies that the risk-benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable, and now recommend addressing psychiatric co-morbidities, not gender affirming care. To say jordan doesn't deserve a career because he is aware of this fundamental reality and concerned with protecting children is absurd. Children deserve to be protected from an ideologically corrupt society, and medical industry.
My good friend Ash is Trans. Completely changed me being on the fence on it. He transitioned from a girl.
He knew it as young as 6!!!
Love the guy and so thankful to get the exposure.
And why would young men listen to Jordan Peterson...what am I missing?
He's tapping into the incel mindset for fun and profit. Young men who otherwise might take steps to improve themselves, in order to gain friends and attract potential lovers, are instead being validated by this man in their misery. Now, they can be great, attractive, influential people - if only the rest of society wasn't so mean and hateful to them in giving them the consequences for being boorish, selfish and entitled.
@@kellyvaters1689 Thank you for the information. That is sad, indeed.
This is one of the best pieces of evidence I've seen on Peterson's work being ridiculous bullshit
Well He is right that people can be confused for a long time.. He is a Living proof 😂..
😅😊
Jordan beats his meaterson once again
Jorpson's last caveat is basically "if too many people don't like it, you can't do it (even if it doesn't affect them)
His argument is the most basic, fundamental tactic for fascists: "These people are our enemies. The are pathetically weak and mentally unwell. They are also somehow powerful enough to destroy our entire culture."
This almost sounds like moralist authoritarianism and *gasp* cancel culture. Surely he must be aware of that incongruity...?
It's much worse than that but yeah. One thing I'd like to add is that those "too many people" are white christian nationalist, a.k.a. fascists. He's basically saying that China, the USSR, and Nazi Germany had it right and that we shouldn't progress but regress instead. If he dies tonight, I'm drinking to that, a lot! That's a promise!
@@morgancody6752 I wish people would loudly say this _every_ time someone whines about "cancel culture"-it is impotent envy and nostalgia for their own dominance.
Doesn't Jordan Peterson realize he would lose a fight to any women. Does that make him a not male?
In his eyes, yes. But he's also not healthy or athletic, so there's that. I guess he's just a tool, only useful for other fascists.
@@stylis666 though Jordan Peterson was an "Alpha" that conservative bow too. Yet bows to those "lower" than him
Jordan Peterson's despicable combination of disingenuousness, misogyny, racism, bigotry, (and let's not forget the inherent patriarchy) and just general meanness of nature thinly disguised as pseudo-science is astounding.
“Deluded, self-involved prick”
❤️
Weird thing I noticed about myself. I’m cool with guys kissing, girls kissing, trans people - same argument Sam was talking about from the 90’s.
But any form of PDA more than handholding is kinda gross to me. Id be just as uncomfortable to see a straight white couple kissing as I would with anyone else.
Ending slavery is really disruptive to society, and yet I would argue we should still do it...
JP is quite dramatic isnt he? He can’t answer the simple question of whether or not trans people are real and deflects by saying you would need to talk 5000 hours about it, which is adjacent to saying it’s impossible to really know.
Jordan Peterson: We need to talk about it for 5,000 hours
Also Jordan Peterson: Don’t speak publicly about it because it’s grooming.
If neofascists didn’t have double standards they would have any at all:
I'm pretty sure he's saying that the scientists and psychologist should discuss the phenomena for 5,000 hours before we present it to the public as though we KNOW the facts on this topic when we don't. Especially when your presenting it to
Peterson didn't think through his career long enough, which is why he became a psychologist before he came out of the closet as an outright purveyor of hate and lies. He should have just started off with that, because obviously it's what makes him happy, and what he does far better than anything else.
3 Things:
1. It's clearly wrong to inflict prejudice/discrimination on someone who's already transitioned even if, for arguments sake, we assume that it was wrong for them to do so--full castration is obviously an excessive punishment for any offense.
2. The surgery involved in transitioning makes it very hard to believe that any cultural trend could convert anyone to transgenderism.
3. A point that needs to be made here is that people w/mental illness also constitute a wrongly marginalized group that deserves to be free from prejudice and discrimination.
I love how they ignore the arrogance that JP thinks it is right to judge about what women or men can do with their own body. Can’t he just leave them alone? He has no say in this thing!
Aren’t you judging him? Hmmmm
Last time i checked the billion dollar plastic tits industry still destroyed other people's health, not their own. Seems you like corrupt surgeons and their exploitation of gullible neurotics.
@@LogicalNimbus aren't you judging for judging him?
@@digbycrankshaft7572 you’re adorable.
It’s telling that Peterson defends his least defensible statements by dismissing them as “incautious” instead of “incorrect”.
This means he believes _what_ he says is correct, and merely the fact _that_ he said it was incorrect.
He’s basically admitting he’s a crypto-fascist.
That dude needs to clean his room.
Lol
😂😂I would love to see someone debate him and start by asking him if he cleaned his room before showing up to this debate
Adding onto the statement about being trans for any Jordan Peterson watchers. It's definitely not something we can just "go and do." It takes so much confidence to tell people, let alone openly go and walk around even a few minutes as your actual gender identity. I struggle with even just wearing simple femme clothing at work even though everyone is aware, I feel as though I'm still being stared at. And yeah, I WISH I had the confidence that Elliot Page does, because that's awesome.
Meh. I’m like that, I think we’re born this way. It doesn’t take anything.
I just freaking DO IT.
I never got all the praise I’d get for being brave or this or that…..
It just isn’t: JUST DO IT.
I don't claim to understand these right wing grifters but their aim is to make you uncomfortable in your own skin , big up yourself 🌷
Also….I’m not trans but i can see why that might take courage, I guess? Frankly men wearing women stuff, just wear it.
Women started wearing mens stuff and looking like men what 70yrs ago?
No I’ve faced things and done stuff that takes TRUE ACTUAL COURAGE to face to do.
Your talking societies judgement and frankly I always thought people that had SUCH HUGE ISSUES about what society things or reactions …
Ummmmm well then they got HUGE issues they need therapy for imo.
And that’s anyone that cares SOOOOO MUCH what strangers think or society.
Christ, wtf….that’s what I mean. Us types that were born this way, not caring what this vacuous ephemeral “thing” is thinking of me or us….and just doing it…..
Meh. You CAN BECOME like that but it’ll take massive work.
And just turning trans and going as a girl isn’t gonna do it. NOT AT ALL.
don't you walk around "as your actual gender identity" all the time? like is it only "as your actual gender identity" when you take hormones or is it when you get surgery or is it when you "perform" that gender or is it just when you Identify "as your actual gender identity"...
@@spellman007 In our heads it all the time, but while in public it's entirely up to us individually if we're comfortable doing it and if we're not, we will say we're our assigned gender at birth to alleviate the situation. It's stressful stuff.
Look who knows how to use singular they/ them pronouns! 3 minutes in - Interviewer refers to single trans person's decision to transition - JP - "Right but people can be unbelievably confused for a very long period of time and the mere fact that it's been a long time that THEY'VE been confused doesn't mean that THEY thought it through when THEY make THEIR decision."
I wonder how much of the 5000 hours of talking about trans people Jordan requests could be put together from public statements made by Jordan alone. I wonder whether we have reached 5000 hours of talking about trans people just from the sum of TH-cam videos talking about it in the past week.
He might have been speaking incautiously. I have found it in me to lose more respect for him from what I presumed to be a dry well.
Fantastic to see peterson get some pushback, I love how he folds every single time
It was a good podcast.
What he could do is change his fundamental values and step away from the public eye. But that's not lucrative to the bank account.
It's rather odd, but I haven't seen him "fold" to women, just to men... even to men with voices as or even more effeminate than his own.
@@letsomethingshine Any of the women I work with would fold him up pretty quick I tell ya what
He doesn’t ‘fold’ every time, he’s humble enough to listen and change his mind. Why does everyone revert to middle school bullying behavior any time Jordan is brought up.
@@sheridan7475 No he doesn't, he takes time to construct misleading and incoherent retorts that make no sense just to throw off his debate opponents. It's just word salad that appeals to those who want to feel smart.
considering this man came to prominence literally due to his transphobia, I'm not sure what anyone expects.
A proper analysis his agenda, which we got.
Jordy P taught me a bulletproof response to evidence I don't like: "It's like, no, it's not, YOU'RE WRONG" works every time.
Peterson had to go to another country to be put in a medically induced coma for his BENZODIAZAPINE ADDICTION! His 13th rule for life.
I know they sound the same, but dysphoria and dysmorphia are completely different. I don't know why he feels the need to compare being trans to anorexia when they're entirely different experiences.
A very thoughtful and thorough examination of Jordan's thinking; congrats TMR.
Excellent point by Emma Vigland about the right showing their🐴 on cultural regression
Cultural regression such as allowing dudes pretending to be women to parade their junk in women's safe places? Allowing a boy that was pretending to be a girl to rape a young girl in a bathroom like it happened in a Loundoun County school? Allowing a man pretending to be a woman to literally break the skull of an actual woman in a combat sport? Saying that lesbians are transphobes because they don't want to sleep with men that are pretending to be women? The trans movement cult is the embodiment of misoginy and is piece by piece taking every right that women have fought for in the last 100 years.
I volunteer to talk to Jordan Peterson for 5000 hours so he can understand trans people. Can anyone put me in touch with him?
How anyone thinks this man is brilliant is beyond me.
He thinks he's the arbiter of literally all knowledge. No one has ever *really* thought about or studied or searched for answers to anything before he has, nor can they until he has posed the question. It's like... impawssible. He's the much wordier, more pompous version of Trimp's "nobody knew/ nobody ever heard/ nobody's talking about but me"
How he has a following is beyond me.
‘Glad to meet you Joseph’ - ‘Actually, I prefer to be called Joe’ - ‘I refuse to recognise your preferred monicker but I believe it could lead to the death of western civilisation for reasons so complicated it would take 3 million light years to explain’
I wonder if Jordan Peterson would be willing to take a sociopathy test on camera. Like, tell him that it's a test to see how alpha he is, or something, then just publicly try and figure out whether he is capable of caring if he harms others, or even believes that other people have rights and feelings beyond what is convenient for him.
In many ways this is what Peterson is already unwittingly doing in front of the cameras.
In his many appearances like this, he thinks he is imparting some form of wisdom to his followers. But many of us see him instead as actually revealing his personal struggles with his pathological mental health issues.
It seems he can't stop himself from doing this, because he is clearly now completely addicted to the attention and the "high life" of being a celebrity.
Let's now all call Jordan Peterson Barbara Campbell regardless what he wants.
I like that
@@i.ehrenfest349 please do
If someone tells you call me this.. why wouldn't anyone not call them that. I could say my name is Robert but want you to call me Bobby, what's the difference?
up yours, woke moralists! roberts can NOT transition to bobbys! follow the science!
@@jasonclarke7557 snarky I like it lol 😆
@@jasonclarke7557 lol
14:52 - Talking about it for five thousand hours is his preferred method of avoiding having to give an uncynical and intellectually honest response to a simple question.
Meanwhile, as JP delves further into sophistry, Elliot Page is just totally ignoring him and living like a bowse
Peterson's argument is the classic: you can be gay just not in public. If you're loud about it you're encouraging others to be gay too and that's dangerous.
“If in finding your true identity, you violate a cultural norm that is so profound you destabilize the entire country, the entire culture, then maybe you don’t have the right to do that even if it actualizes yourself.”
There it is. That’s the whole game. He believes the preservation of existing society tales precedence over the interests of the people that form it.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Jordan Peterson can say whatever she wants. I don't have to respect her pronouns that's all.
The most impressive thing Peterson has ever done, is the fact that he has to be debunked by so many different disciplines, because he talks about so much stuff he doesn't understand. From Biologist, to the Bar association of Canada, economics, fellow psychologists, philosophers, even supermodels are making fun of him. I'd di e of embrassement if I said even half the amount of things he has that were just so wrong and easily debunkable. Just the line about staying awake for 27 days due to Apple Cider would be too much on it's own. Yet for Peterson he just goes on, it's fascinating how one man can have such an undeserved ego and prefers to be ignorant on every topic he talks about, he is the defintion of Dunning Kruger.
"People can be unbelievably confused for a very long time!"
Speaking from personal experience much?
Please never refer to Jordan Peterson's spank bank ever again. I don't want to ever think of that unpleasantness.
Pretty sure reproduction for him involves holding hands reluctantly with his wife to exchange long protein strands - kinda like Kang and Kodos.
Sure, Jordan Peterson knows more about trans people's lives and motivations than the people who actually live those lives 🙄
How did he come to be considered the great intellectual giant of our time? I find him quite unimpressive. 🤔
Jordan Peterson speaks but says nothing. Can someone help me out as to what his contributions to modern thought are exactly? Sure, his instant victim stance and pseudo-intellectual babbling are in line with OAN/Newsmax page-bottom chatline discourse, but how did this guy ever become a "thing?"
I disagree. His "incautious" statement was not that he was wrong -- he can't admit error -- but that he was impolitic and wreckless and speaking the truth too vigorously.
"People can be unbelievably confused for a long period of time"
He can't imagine he might be the one who is confused.
This idea of trendy trans baffles me. Who would want to transition and go through all that time, effort, and hardship, in a society that generally victimizes, others, hates on, and commits violence on trans people? No one is dealing with all of that just to be trendy or cool, especially knowing it's not like they can just snap their fingers and go back to how they were.
The idea that there are many, if any people doing this to be cool or trendy is utterly absurd when you think about it. The process is so long and painful just to be hated on and attacked.