After owning the Duke390 for 2 years I finally trade in for the Kawa Z400...No regrets..Yes the Duke is torquey from low rpm which is good for city riding..But again lose juice around 90mph and with the counterbalance shaft againts vibration its quite struggling at 95mph on long freeways...I used to ride bigger bikes but again the Kawa is something i feel more confident for long rides with my wife..Can’t deny the looks goes to KTM but again reliability and cheap parts is my preferences
The way duke takes on the twisty roads looks absolutely mad😱,the level of performance on offer on such a lower CC bike is just incredible, brilliant chassis by KTM
Got a Z400 in July 2019 . I now have 41,500 KM on it and it run A1 . Started to use Amsoil 10W40 after the break-in . Very happy with the little bike .
Dang you put 40,000 on yours already hows it holding up so far? I've got 7600km on mine and most people think that's a lot for a 2 year old bike. Unfortunatly its snows 8 months of the year here. Change my oil every 1000 royal purple synthetic.
@@lucasc2945 Now at 48,000 KM . Second valve check next week with new spark plug and air filter . Not a single problem except the chaine failing ( just one bad link ) at around 30,000 KM . Can't ask for better than this . Ps. I just got a new Suzuki SV650X so I put a way less KM on the Z400 :-) Ride safe buddy !
I just bought a 2019 KTM Duke 390 as my first bike Wednesday... I have done every bit of research I could on all the suggested beginners bikes but it’s funny that the KTM was the bike I saw that got me itching for a motorcycle. I kept going back and forth on buying a used vs new, private or dealer, and ultimately decided on opting for the KTM when I got a hell of a deal. I got a 2019 KTM 390 Duke Brand new, zero miles for WTD price of $4500. It was a no brainer. I love the bike. I already added a wind screen as she’s going to be my commuter on most days. Gonna throw on a slip on later down the road but the biggest issue I am having is the seat height. I’m 5”6/5”7 chick and I am fine with everything BUT mounting. The Duke wants to sit up right and she likes to sit high. Problem is that when I mount her and go to place my right leg over she wants to buck you off and tip onto the right side. I’m buying a adjustable side stand which hopefully will resolve the issue and make it easier for me to get on with a better lean angle. If need be I will have her lowered as well. Point being... if you’re interested in the Duke and 5”8 and under, be prepared to do some mods to ride comfortably, especially if this is your first bike. I am have a lot of fun and regret nothing but I know I could’ve had them lower it and throw it into my purchase price. Oh well. Lesson learned. For the money, KTM knocked it out of the park. ABS, traction control, Slipper Clutch, Upside down Fork, LEDs, the display and of course the tech on this bike is sick. I love that it has Bluetooth and I can upload my directions/maps on to it, listen to music as well as answer calls, all at the tips of my fingers. The ability to turn abs off, or go supermoto, and the track feature is cool. It’s a great bike, highly recommend. I did test drive a Duke before buying but apparently they changed the seat height and I thought it was still 30”... well it’s really 32” on my years. Great review guys.
I am 5,10" and it was just right when i went to go sit on one today. I would imagine at 5,7" it would be a little challenging. Is this for first bike? I am really trying to convince my wife to let me buy it. I live in NYC and think it would be a great commuter.
Rob L hopefully im getting the duke too after all this coronavirus thing is over. I havent had the chance to sit on both of them, might do thta later too. My concern is seat height since I’m 6’3”. I hope it fit me well, really liking the duke so much..
hold on, the 390 has bluetooth and navigation? i thought it wasnt available on anything but the 1290. did you have to go to a dealer to unlock it? or did you get it like that from the factory? and did you have to pay anything extra for it? if so, how much?
Thanks for this detailed review .. I'm the same height as you so are you saying I will not be able to flat foot it? That's a big deal foe me as a new beginner..Kawasaki is great too low seat height cheap and reliable parts for the most part ...ABS for both bikes is great..I think I'll go with the z400 ..
I started on a CB300F 2016 its perfect for beginners, 6 speed fuel injected single 296cc goes 100mph and 0 to 60 in 6 seconds. And honda are, yes boring but the most reliable bikes of them all. I plan for a z400 for my next sportbike. Im getting an XT225 first though dual sport
@@PartnerthedogI wish everyone would get experience in the dirt before their road going days. Less people would be crashing. As your skill increases you will be starting to want a bit more. It's inevitable. A six hundred would be a better choice. You're going there eventually. If you have the knowledge of what to do, how to control a bike so that you do not drop it while maneuvering at very slow speed, it's the same if you gained ten pounds, or one thousand pounds. You get used to the weight and handle it accordingly. There are little adjustments to make because of the mass, but it's easy A half a ton of Honda Gold Wing is light as soon as you are underway. It is still mammoth, but mammoth is fun too. Maybe your next bike is going to be a liter bike. Just get the training and you'll be just fine. But you won't be soon wishing for more.
The Duke being a single cylinder is going to need a new top end every so often, its just the nature of the beast. The bike it self is cheap but KTM parts are very expensive compared to Kawasaki parts. Something to be aware of before buying one. EDIT: THIS IS FOR U.S. BUYERS. The ways tariffs are Japanese bikes are ALWAYS CHEAPER then the European bikes in the states.
Just bought a 2023 KTM Duke 390 after contemplating between these two bikes for a month. Both great bikes but love the character of the KTM! So far I’m happy with my decision.
Initial models which were launched in 2017 had some minor issues but KTM was kind enough to solve all of them with a software updates for tft display and new remap for ecu for better throttle response at idling ❤️
Damn, i didn't know it was that highly priced in countries other than India over here we get a new one for $4000 and yes obviously because it is manufactured here but damn the prices are really high, i bought a second hand Duke 390 2014 model for $1000
Bro David that’s the RC390 lol the duke haven’t heard about that on the newer models , the RC390 people like to keep the revs highs at all times and you can’t do that lol have to cool the engine down 😂 do you watch moto3 ?
I think you got the point here... One thing they don't mention in the video is the position. I think that you'll be way more at easy on the track with the Kawi rather than the KTM
@Bernd DasBrot for me on most websites i see 43, also consider this Duke 43hp at 9500 rpm 37nm at 7000 rpm Z400 45hp at 10000 rpm 38nm at 8000 rpm 1 cylinder bikes have harder time reaching top speeds
siwavong yodnoo that power will delivered completely different in the duke though, you will get better torque through the low and mid range early on, which in my opinion is better and more fun
@@Tavinho502 wrong. Bajaj shares Engine with KTM. Those engines are made by KTM but since Bajaj manufacturers KTM's bike there,they can use the engine for their bikes.
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ your comment makes no sense. The heart can cause us to be emotional, which can cause us to be senseless. Logic and common sense can be muddied and unclear. "Listening to your heart" can cause people to make bad decisions. I know KTM likely has created the styling of this bike to move hearts, but when you look at the specs of this bike, it just doesn't compete with Z400. Sorry buddy.
The only weakness I have found with the Z 400 is the clutch springs. Slips bad in high rpm shifts. It only has 3 plates and 3 springs. __A set of Barnet springs for about $ 30 is the cure.
@@loganmw I actually changed out my springs. Didn't have to do the rod or bearing. Mine is a 2020 Z400 and beginning in model year 2020, Kawasaki used the shorter rod and thinner bearing, but still used the weak springs. Slapped in the Barnet springs, and it does not slip any more, no matter how hard I get on the throttle.
I like the ktm but I've owned Kawi's n they r dead reliable n cheap to own . I hear ktm 390's still overheat . I would keep the savings and update a few things on the Kawi . I would take the Kawi for sure
I live in a tropical country and it's already summer time here and it doesn't overheat at all. For warranty, at least here in Philippines, electronics is included.
@Mário Pereira Where are you from? Portugal? Your opinion is really important for me , because after this video my intention is to replace a Honda XRE 300 for this KTM. What can you tell more about your ex bike woes...
Awesome review. Just bought the 18 Duke 390 yesterday part of left over stock from the dealer and paid $5300 CAD is equivalent to $4000 USD. I can’t wait to rip around with this little bike. :)
Well I'm surprised to see the pricing of these 2 bikes in the USA. Here in India, it's totally different. You get the kTm at the half of the price of the Kawasaki. The 390 Duke we have at around like $3700 and the Ninja 400 at around $7500. The Z400 isn't yet released here. Though there is a HUGE price margin gap between these two here. Great video as always. Ride Safe ✌️
I'm pointing out at the margin gap and the price of the Kawasaki. I don't exactly know why Kawasaki has increased the price tag of the Ninja 400 by around $2000 in India compared to the as Ninja 300 was but the price remains same in USA I know KTM is made in India and that's why it's priced low. Why wouldn't I know 😄 I'm from India too.
Z400 is super refined, its a twin, parts r cheaper, doesnt need much maintenance , dpendable, reliable.....on the other hand! Ktm looks much sexier than the kawi.
Been riding Sport bikes since 1965. Got up to a ZX-12 and Numerous Duc’s but as John said I have been downsizing for about 10 years and I have never had more fun than the KTM 390. Had to get it cause my wife hogged her old Duke 640 and I wanted to keep up. John and Egan have been my gurus since 35 cent gas.
Both are great bikes to be honest. I have friends who rip around the mountains with these bikes. The only thing I cannot be sure about is is the long term reliability of each bikes(for those who want to use these bikes all year round).
I agree with most of your comparison, but like most TH-cam bike reviewers, you didn't mention the elephant in the room- reliability and cost of ownership! The KTM looks better, might feel a tad more torquey (not why I buy small cc bikes). The Kawi gives you a great bike that's far more reliable for less $$. Make that a Ninja 400 for me though! 🏍
Good to see you guys again. I enjoyed the comparison. Based solely on the looks, KTM is a clear winner. Kawasaki's headlight and wheel design aren't my favorite.
Yes! What were Kawasaki thinking with that headlight design? If not for that, I would have picked the Z400 for it's reliability and the almost on par with Duke performance.
How can two people have such differing opinions? I don't know. For me it's the exact opposite, one of my reason to stay away from the KTM is it's horrible looks. Like seriously, that headlamp looks awful. Like really really awful. If I saw both of these on the streets, I think most people would say the Kawasaki looks much better
I have a 2015 RC390 and race it I have had only small problems and the bike has nealy 30,000km on it. And here in New Zealand we pay $8 for 1 us gal of fuel
I owned the 390 for three years and 35k km sold to my friend. Now it has almost 60. This bike is super fun but it you want to put more than 50k don't buy it. It ages badly and starts to fall apart. Has major electronic issues. Engine leaks. Harsh engine vibes in 1 and 2 gear. also it's not comfortable .
I agree, I ride with a friend who has a 390 and he's had a lot of engine problems, (runs sweet when it is running well) but I want to know that I'm not going to break down when I go for a ride.
You must get shitty 390's where you live... my 2016 Duke 390 is a few km's short of 110 000km, maybe a third of that off road... Here in Africa our summer temps are regularly way over 40 degreess C - no overheating... and I'm a big bloke - 6'5 and 97kg... So far I have had to replace one set of sprockets, 3 sets of brake pads and countless tyres (I ride it like I stole it)... no engine issues, nothing has fallen off or broken, even with some bad offroad conditions...
"The older you get, the smaller you like". After 35 years of riding that is so true. I think I'd still prefer a welterweight (550-750 cc) but I'm waiting until my daughter gets her Ninja 400 before I make my final decision. Living in the suburbs makes me appreciate torque over horsepower.
Not sure. Would have to evaluate all the nuance differences between the Duke and RC. The RC is still behind the times cohesively. It's got a lot of ignored bits and pieces that need updated. I'd buy a Duke over the RC as things sit right now, easily. But, that sensibility factor in the back of my mind knowing that a Kawasaki motorcycle just isn't going to give any trouble and can be trusted for well past 100k miles with proper maintenance? Hard to get away from that, in spite the character differences. Just hope Japan gets off its proverbial butt and starts making interesting reliable machines akin to the good stuff Europe has been churning out in the last decade, especially in the sub 1000cc sport market. I've got a unmodified '18 MT-09 right now, and that 790 Duke is really calling to me. I'm hoping to get a test drive this year.
@@jonasv19 Which is very true. However, people using the RC390 for club racing are doing maintenance, and using their machines to the limit. It's exposed a lot of issues (wiring, overheating, head gasket, etc) with the RC. Ari Henning has a video on that bike in full race trim.
I have no problems so far and tons of looks. I have heard from other riders the newer ones are having far less problems. So I think it's worth it if it's a 2018/2019 since they fixed the problems on those.
I've put 800 miles on the bike in 5 months now and I Love my Kawasaki z400 it's so light and fast for a 400cc bike....I feel 25 again every time I Ride it
390 Duke is so much more desirable if you can accept that it will likely have issues. One of many vehicles for me so the issues have been no big deal! Great back road ripper.
I’m 6’4” and i own the 2020 390 Duke and I love it. It’s plenty comfortable and punchy torque. If you core drill out the baffle/db killer in the exhaust it sounds a lot better too without being too loud/obnoxious. I love it. Awesome bike, looks cool, handles really well and is really easy to ride in traffic and on a faster windy road. The tyres are okay but they wear out very quickly so you’ll have to factor that in. I had to replace mine at 4,000km and I put on Michelin Road 6’s that are supposed to last a very long time have great grip in dry and wet.
The only thing I’m hesitant on the KTM is the color. Green is my #1 in almost everything but as a first bike I’m having a hard time finding anything better for the price over the Duke 390. If anyone has any suggestions I’d love to hear them.
I bought my white 390 Duke new in 2020. I did the de-cat, derestricted air box cover and a Coober piggyback ECU on a stock muffler. Engine cage, bark busters, and sliders. These mods turned it into a different bike. It now redlines just under 10k. I giggle every time I get on it but with that said, it's so light that passing 18 wheelers on the highway at 75-85mph can be like going into a wind-tunnel sideways. Also, I do regular maintenance on it and have had -0- issues in 6000 miles. KTM >> READY TO RACE
@@siddhantbaranwal5339 Because the ninja 400 is not made in India, mean while ninja 300 since last year is made in India and kawasaki doesn´t have to pay so much taxes to sell it in that country.
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 I think only the plastics consoles brakes tyres and stuff are made in India else are brought as a CKD. Ninja 300 sells for a price in which an American could buy a 400
@Pantos Soup MADE IN INDIA = KTM So prices in ₹ is 2.3 lakhs which is $3200 If it's made in India it's about 60% of the price sold in US. AND YES THAT INCLUDES PARTS which also cost less (60%) if you buy it from OEMs
One of the better reviews online. I like the way you guys leave subjective opinions out of the mix and don't just talk about yourselves... Refreshing. I'm an experienced rider and I USED to own a couple Yamaha 1981 RD350LCs. The power to weight ratio (read FUN Ratio) is right close to these subjects. I sold the Yamaha(s) because by the time you get into the power band, the law enforcement overkill will ensure you lose your license and there's just NO way to ride an LC legally.... I always liked the ER6N, which was the closest thing to the LC in pure "feel" a little bit buzzy and a little bit twitchy and just about the same performance. But I have always had a soft spot for the Duke 390 and this review points out the Duke's advantages. looking at the aftermarket power commanders and so forth on the Duke forums it would seem that after overcoming the emissions tuning of the bike, there will be an acceptable level of fun and performance in the Duke. I think I'll be purchasing a 390 real soon. I didn't hear anything convincing about the ABS and the quick shifter, although I don't believe that is stock in the US. Also, I don't recall you guys mentioning the slipper clutch.
Though KTM has some higher spec components, I think my choice would be for the Kawasaki. The twin cylinder versus the single may prove more reliable in the long term. As for me, I typically upgrade my bikes with aftermarket pieces anyway, so the addition of braided lines, or fork springs is a small thing.
1:32 Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Brother John, Brother John, Morning bells are ringing! Morning bells are ringing! Ding, dang, dong. Ding, dang, dong.
As much as I love the KTM, and it is a great bike, I keep my motorcycles at least 4-5 years or longer I just don’t trust the KTM long term. Every Kawasaki I’ve owned has been absolutely perfect in regards to reliability, although I’m sure that could be said for most Japanese bikes. Currently I have a 2005 Kawasaki Z1000 and it does everything I need it to. I can’t imagine getting another bike in the next 5-10 years, that’s how much I love and trust it. I will say that the Z900RS is very tempting looks wise and I may get the Z400 for my wife as she wants to ride with me on her own bike
My duke 390 is almost 4 years old Ill be lucky if I get to keep it for life I wouldn't sell it because it so unique. It all about maintenance and caring for it like a pet. Take the risk buy ktm if you like it otherwise have fun anyways.
So my 390 will do 6yrs now (the first version) and the engine still performs well, getting a good mileage of 28-30kmpl and changed the sprocket ONCE... No other engine,coolant,suspension issues and i usually ride like a hooligan....have done 65k and the bike still touches a top speed of 100mph with little vibration(because you know the single cylinder) and most of all the only 2 times i had to get it serviced for parts was because i crashed !!! So mirrors,the side fairing stickers and rear wheel is changed!!! Now how's that for your reliability doubts
@@joebotz1243 I'm 5'7 and can't flat foot on the bike however it's very comfortable for me and doesn't feel very big...also I have the first version of the bike and have ridden the latest version and it'sbetter than the first. It's better if you try the bike yourself
Had the 2017 Duke 390 for 1 1/2 years , no serious problems apart from condensation on the TFT display which they replaced. no over heating issues, but as the bike runs lean due to EU emmision law I fit a Rapid Bike easy fueling module which helps keep the pot cooler and have notice the fan doesn't need to come on as much.. Oh and the bike is awesome 👍
At these prices it's no brainer for me to choose Z400!! More HP, torque, reliability, fun, top speed, nibble and peace of mind. Oh the Z400 exhaust sound is so addictive.
@@solar8600 kawi spare parts also expensive in India it need to imported(long waiting time) from Indonesia As I said before it depends on where you from
@@Masters_Yukesh Thought you just meant the bike, you did not say anything about parts... By the way are there no Kawasaki dealerships in India? (Genuinely Curious)
In India ktm price is low. ..it is half of that of a ninja 400..ninja will cost more than 7500 $ ...so Indians always prefer 390 and we have a lot of 390sss
Oh, I sat on the Duke and couldn’t get off of it fast enough. It was incredibly uncomfortable. The two bikes that I was having a tough time deciding between were the Yamaha RT 03 and the Kawasaki Z 400 and after driving both of them back to back, the Kawasaki for me was the clear winner, and I bought one this morning. I am 6 feet tall 185 pounds and was much more comfortable on the Kawasaki. Also, the Kawasaki had a much more forgiving and gentle clutch. Hope this helps someone deciding which bike to buy.
KTM. is listening and also making changes as requested by its customers, and this makes it win every type of buyers. ... I LOVE KTM ... I have a DUKE 390 - 2015 and I can say it's a war tank ... It's PERFECT ... only thing I would change - it would be the bank because it's hard ... out this is WONDERFUL ...
I was looking to get a Duke 390 but the reliability issues put me off especially the TFT getting condensation inside. I know someone who had 3 screens do the same. I bought the Ninja 400 Dec 18 and it hasn’t missed a beat.
I've been planning on the N400, mostly city riding, occasional hour on the freeway at a max of 85 90mph. Would you think the 400 would be good or Z400?
Dakota Harless - I’ve never ridden the Z400 but one of the reasons I got the Ninja over others was the full fairing. I use my bike to commute but if I need to go on a longer trip the extra wind protection will be very welcome. At 90 mph you’ll miss a fairing if you go for the Z. I’m not a fan of naked bikes and prefer the sports bike style, hence the Ninja purchase. Best thing is to test ride at your local dealer.
I saw quite a few of those KTMs ripping around the hill roads around Barcelona. They can't all be wrong :) Also: don't you dare complain about gas prices...!
We can complain about gas prices because we have further to ride. SF to LA is 400 miles. Looked it up, it's nearly the same distance from Madrid to Barcelona. ...that's one state. It takes me 3 days to ride to Colorado.
@@aluisious , at $4.50 per gallon I'd complain. Just fueled up today in South Carolina and paid less than $3.00 for 93 (dead dinosaurs, you go Blockhead!) octane.
@@aluisious In Greece, we unfortunately pay 1,6 euros for 1lt of gas, so its 1,8 dollars/lt here vs 1,2 dollars/lt in USA ( if we agree that 4,5dollars/gallon is a good example). If you consider the salary differences and the fact that few people do more than 50km/day to go to work (is that true for USA?) gas in USA seems very cheap.
I'd pick the kawi any day. I've had horrible reliabillity issues on my rc125 and considering the fact that the 390 is built in the same factory i'd rather have the kawi.
"Lightweight Rippers" SHOCK!! Motorcycle stopped using the title "beginner bikes" or "entry-level motorcycles" Kawasaki really missed their opportunity with the 400 when they decided NOT to use a 270° firing interval. Can you imagine? A 400cc twin sounding like a Ducati? Like a high strung MT-07?
Totally agree. I test rode the duke 390 and bought a ninja instead myself. Saw the Z at the dealer and can say that stripping it down to a Z it needs character to make up for the lack of fairings and sporty look - a great sound would be perfect here
@@vinerod12 In terms of quality, I think the Kawasaki is better. If you're buying new and don't mind the possibility of giving the Duke in for repairs under warranty, just go with what feels right - test ride them at a dealership to see what fits you. The Duke is a very fun bike, but too small and light for me, feels a bit like a rocket bicycle. The Kawasaki feels more refined, controlled and substantial.
I’ve had a test ride on the Svartpilen 401 and a Z400 as a rental for a few days. The Z wins hands down for the quality feel and more relaxed nature of the twin.
As an avid Kawi fanatic . . . I have switched to DUKE, , , on a KTM you ride magic on two wheels and no one can argue that KTM DUKE is the ultimate when it comes to character.
The 2017 duke 390 is far more reliable than people think. I own that motorcycle and drive it daily on indian roads and indian climates. The problems I've had were the tail light keeps going bust every indian monsoon( seasonal rains that usually ends up flooding the roads). Other than that the seat is definitely harder than most motorcycles but is manageable. No other complaints that are worthy enough to moan about.
Vamsi Krishna Ktm in general on most models have issues. My 690 duke was a bag of shite. Great when running but broke down religiously every 21 miles! Binned it and stayed away ever since. The mx bikes would have anything happen floppy levers etc.
Wondering if the peeps "complaining" about KTM reliability have A). Seen one in person; or B). Ridden one; or C). Owned one; or D). Known someone who owned one. I have owned 10 KTM's of every type and genre since 2008. ONE freak issue with a wiring loom on my 1190 Adventure. It took awhile to find and fix the issue. I got a bit testy. So--KTM GAVE me a Alpinestars Adventure jacket worth $850. Now I wear that jacket when it is a bit cooler on my: 1290 Adventure S; my Superduke 1290 R; My SMC R 690; And my XCF 250. And live happily ever after. Except I want the 690 Endure now, too. I TRIED to own and enjoy other brands--most lately a beautiful Triumph Thruxton 1200 (And some Ducatis and a 1000 Tuono along the way too. THAT bike worried me a bit for reliability: warm-start cam chain rattle....gauge lighting "browning out" intermittently.....hot start issues.....25 MPG/fill-up every 100 miles...). And the Triumph--it WAS....nice. Nice and boring. Traded it in for the SMC R 690. I put more miles on that SMC R 690 bike in 3 weeks than I did the Triumph in 3 months. Your results may vary--but do the naysayers ACTUALLY have any personal results to question what seems an age-old, knee-jerk comment on KTM reliability/reputation? Pretty sure the consumer reliability results say BMW and Ducati tend to be the Euro shitters.
The reliability issues people mention are not with ALL KTMs, only the Indian-built 390 series of bikes (and others like 200, 125 etc built in India). I test rode a Duke 390 and RC390 about two weeks ago and they are hella fun, but I asked the dealer where the used duke 390 he had on his website was (it wasnt it the showroom) and he said he gave it as a temp loaner to an owner of a duke 390 that was being fixed under warranty. Coincidence? He also was interested in telling me that they are very quick to service or fix any issues I might have. Maybe the reliability of the 390s has improved, but I wouldnt risk my money on it. About your larger KTMs - no one is disputing overall KTM reliability, just the smaller cheaper bikes which are built to a price. Dont be so defensive 😄
They did have a lot of issues with the bikes being raced, and some with the very early bikes. The problem was how KTM North America dealt with the problems. It was so bad that you had to sue them to deal with the issues. If you check the forums it's not difficult to find the information. But for the most part if you don't over revving the heck out of the bikes they are fine.
KTM has a better looking design and is more fun to ride in the hills/canyons, but listening to its flatulent sounding exhaust blowing raspberries gets old really quickly.
The biggest downfall of KTM is it's reliability. The thing about KTM is, you'd be envious of the people who own it, but you don't really want to own it. A lot of KTM owners / reviewers says that KTM is a lot more "fun" due to the engine. However, as a long time owner, a smooth and reliable engine will outshine any other engine any day. It's kind of sad because KTM makes beautiful bikes, the tech. is there, and the look is there. Again however, a motorcycle is purposed to be driven. At such a price, why bother with everything else, when you still need to improve the basics of motorcycles? It's like slapping a 1900+ abused car with heated seats, bluetooth connection, wifi access etc. when you can't drive it around reliably? Vs the Kawasaki (or other competitors honestly), the reason you're buying a 400cc bike is because you want to ride it. And at that price point, you *JUST* want to ride it, you don't want to think about the tech. needing to be updated etc. etc.
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ I'd agree with you if it wasn't a compromise on the main purpose of why you bought it. To rephrase what my point is, how can a bike be fun, if you can't ride it anymore since it already broke itself?
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ If that is your view, then I can't argue with it. I just speak in general, where people would rest easy knowing well that tomorrow, when they sit on their bike, it will run and get them to their destination. In my opinion, I don't own either, just tested it... I picked a Honda from the date of my original comment, much more reliable. It's smooth and fast, and that's what I like. If smooth and reliable is what people consider boring, then so be it. We have different perspectives of what "fun" is. My point is, what can't be argued is the statistic on reliability ratings based on quality control. I'm not saying you can't have "fun" on a KTM you get me? What I am implying is, if you plan on getting a KTM, then expect the odds of you going to a mechanic to be higher, or you should at least know how to fix a bike, which you do, so that's good for you.
After owning the Duke390 for 2 years I finally trade in for the Kawa Z400...No regrets..Yes the Duke is torquey from low rpm which is good for city riding..But again lose juice around 90mph and with the counterbalance shaft againts vibration its quite struggling at 95mph on long freeways...I used to ride bigger bikes but again the Kawa is something i feel more confident for long rides with my wife..Can’t deny the looks goes to KTM but again reliability and cheap parts is my preferences
im the only one who prefer kawasaky estetic?
Did you find them much different in comfort levels? I'm 6 ft 2 and wondered if either was better for a taller person
I got the saki for the same reasons you said
Well i dont cruise at 90+ mph but are these things buzzy at all at 70-75mpg?
@@bearlusconi3915 no bro, I'm also in Kawasaki esthetic!
1:40 dude on the left totally just almost passed out 🤣
Haha he's just in his head thinking "blah blah blah shut up so we can ride" I love that they kept that shot.
I can't believe that they left that in lmao
Jason Hart jesus that was weirdly aggressive
@@BEEBEE159
I am american...
@@BEEBEE159
No thanks, but I appreciate the offer
The way duke takes on the twisty roads looks absolutely mad😱,the level of performance on offer on such a lower CC bike is just incredible, brilliant chassis by KTM
Got a Z400 in July 2019 . I now have 41,500 KM on it and it run A1 . Started to use Amsoil 10W40 after the break-in . Very happy with the little bike .
Mind me asking for your height?
@@yuriteixeira5816 1.76 Meters .
Dang you put 40,000 on yours already hows it holding up so far? I've got 7600km on mine and most people think that's a lot for a 2 year old bike. Unfortunatly its snows 8 months of the year here. Change my oil every 1000 royal purple synthetic.
@@lucasc2945 Now at 48,000 KM . Second valve check next week with new spark plug and air filter . Not a single problem except the chaine failing ( just one bad link ) at around 30,000 KM . Can't ask for better than this .
Ps. I just got a new Suzuki SV650X so I put a way less KM on the Z400 :-)
Ride safe buddy !
@Alex To run A1 : Run perfect
I just bought a 2019 KTM Duke 390 as my first bike Wednesday... I have done every bit of research I could on all the suggested beginners bikes but it’s funny that the KTM was the bike I saw that got me itching for a motorcycle. I kept going back and forth on buying a used vs new, private or dealer, and ultimately decided on opting for the KTM when I got a hell of a deal. I got a 2019 KTM 390 Duke Brand new, zero miles for WTD price of $4500. It was a no brainer.
I love the bike. I already added a wind screen as she’s going to be my commuter on most days. Gonna throw on a slip on later down the road but the biggest issue I am having is the seat height. I’m 5”6/5”7 chick and I am fine with everything BUT mounting. The Duke wants to sit up right and she likes to sit high. Problem is that when I mount her and go to place my right leg over she wants to buck you off and tip onto the right side. I’m buying a adjustable side stand which hopefully will resolve the issue and make it easier for me to get on with a better lean angle. If need be I will have her lowered as well.
Point being... if you’re interested in the Duke and 5”8 and under, be prepared to do some mods to ride comfortably, especially if this is your first bike. I am have a lot of fun and regret nothing but I know I could’ve had them lower it and throw it into my purchase price. Oh well. Lesson learned.
For the money, KTM knocked it out of the park. ABS, traction control, Slipper Clutch, Upside down Fork, LEDs, the display and of course the tech on this bike is sick. I love that it has Bluetooth and I can upload my directions/maps on to it, listen to music as well as answer calls, all at the tips of my fingers. The ability to turn abs off, or go supermoto, and the track feature is cool. It’s a great bike, highly recommend.
I did test drive a Duke before buying but apparently they changed the seat height and I thought it was still 30”... well it’s really 32” on my years.
Great review guys.
I am 5,10" and it was just right when i went to go sit on one today. I would imagine at 5,7" it would be a little challenging. Is this for first bike? I am really trying to convince my wife to let me buy it. I live in NYC and think it would be a great commuter.
Rob L hopefully im getting the duke too after all this coronavirus thing is over. I havent had the chance to sit on both of them, might do thta later too. My concern is seat height since I’m 6’3”. I hope it fit me well, really liking the duke so much..
hold on, the 390 has bluetooth and navigation? i thought it wasnt available on anything but the 1290. did you have to go to a dealer to unlock it? or did you get it like that from the factory? and did you have to pay anything extra for it? if so, how much?
Thanks for this detailed review .. I'm the same height as you so are you saying I will not be able to flat foot it? That's a big deal foe me as a new beginner..Kawasaki is great too low seat height cheap and reliable parts for the most part ...ABS for both bikes is great..I think I'll go with the z400 ..
Thank you for the smaller displacement comparison. It really helps me as a newer rider to get a wider perspective on my options.
What are you looking at getting?
I started on a CB300F 2016 its perfect for beginners, 6 speed fuel injected single 296cc goes 100mph and 0 to 60 in 6 seconds. And honda are, yes boring but the most reliable bikes of them all. I plan for a z400 for my next sportbike. Im getting an XT225 first though dual sport
Not only a wider perspective but it also helps you decide which one to buy.😘
@@PartnerthedogI wish everyone would get experience in the dirt before their road going days. Less people would be crashing.
As your skill increases you will be starting to want a bit more. It's inevitable. A six hundred would be a better choice. You're going there eventually. If you have the knowledge of what to do, how to control a bike so that you do not drop it while maneuvering at very slow speed, it's the same if you gained ten pounds, or one thousand pounds. You get used to the weight and handle it accordingly. There are little adjustments to make because of the mass, but it's easy A half a ton of Honda Gold Wing is light as soon as you are underway. It is still mammoth, but mammoth is fun too.
Maybe your next bike is going to be a liter bike. Just get the training and you'll be just fine. But you won't be soon wishing for more.
@@RonaldBrowerusnret. it's been a while... I owned a few yamaha MT07 and now a ducati hypermotard!
The Duke being a single cylinder is going to need a new top end every so often, its just the nature of the beast. The bike it self is cheap but KTM parts are very expensive compared to Kawasaki parts. Something to be aware of before buying one. EDIT: THIS IS FOR U.S. BUYERS. The ways tariffs are Japanese bikes are ALWAYS CHEAPER then the European bikes in the states.
It's the other way around, kawasaki is one of the most expensive brand to buy parts for.
@@baconwhip Maybe if you live in Austria. Japanese bikes are always cheaper to buy and repair.
@@numberonetopgun or if you live in India
@@numberonetopgun in india ktm prices are way to less when compared to Kawasaki
Kawasaki wants to be *so called* premium brand here
@@aut0tech No in India Kawasaki bike is expensive but parts are cheaper than Duke 390.
Just bought a 2023 KTM Duke 390 after contemplating between these two bikes for a month. Both great bikes but love the character of the KTM! So far I’m happy with my decision.
Excellent comparison but I wish you guys would've discussed maintenance intervals and overall cost of ownership.
I just got a steal on a brand new 2017 390 Duke for $4,000. I can safely say it's the most fun I've ever had on two wheels.
4k, that's insane. Good for you bro.
Initial models which were launched in 2017 had some minor issues but KTM was kind enough to solve all of them with a software updates for tft display and new remap for ecu for better throttle response at idling ❤️
Damn, i didn't know it was that highly priced in countries other than India over here we get a new one for $4000 and yes obviously because it is manufactured here but damn the prices are really high, i bought a second hand Duke 390 2014 model for $1000
390 sells for 3,221 dollars ex showroom in India
@@nirmalyamisra I mean you add everything RTO, insurance etc
Can i have the reliable kawi engine in the sexy duke chassis?
*Exactly* 👍
The new dukes are much more reliable than the older models.
I'm sure they are. Its a great looking bike. 2 cylinders would be more appealing though.
KTM has come a long way in reliability from what I've seen. Just cant find a dealership
Will said bro
Finally two guys who know what they are talking about and do not beat around the bush. Good job!
I wish the KTM design team came together with the Kawasaki engineering team and made me a duke 400.
Flor Me really that combo will be a killer 💪🏻
Aint the duke 390 a 400 or close?
I wish the same but the other way
Ktm is making a twin cylinder 490 series. Hope its more reliable than the my rc390.
A duke 490 Will come in a couple years
The Duke is really good looking but nothing like kawi engine and reliability.
@@Tanmay_390 Even with same maintenance I'm sure kawi's engine will last more
KTM 390's have overheating issues. Even the newer models that supposedly were "fixed" still overheat in warmer environments...
@@brodavid9960 YOUR MOTHER!!!! (has overheating issues!!)
Bro David that’s the RC390 lol the duke haven’t heard about that on the newer models , the RC390 people like to keep the revs highs at all times and you can’t do that lol have to cool the engine down 😂 do you watch moto3 ?
@@Tanmay_390 who said that ktm parts are cheap
Duke 390 : fun, cool looking
Z400 : fast, reliable
Personal opinion
I think you got the point here... One thing they don't mention in the video is the position. I think that you'll be way more at easy on the track with the Kawi rather than the KTM
@Bernd DasBrot duke has 43hp while z400 has 45
@Bernd DasBrot for me on most websites i see 43, also consider this
Duke
43hp at 9500 rpm
37nm at 7000 rpm
Z400
45hp at 10000 rpm
38nm at 8000 rpm
1 cylinder bikes have harder time reaching top speeds
siwavong yodnoo that power will delivered completely different in the duke though, you will get better torque through the low and mid range early on, which in my opinion is better and more fun
Duke: issues on engine but fun to use.
Z400: fast acceleration, much reliable and good for long ride.
Duke 390 is more expensive than Z400 there? Wow Z400 is almost twice as expensive compared to Duke 390 in India.
Because Duke 390 is made in India sharing same engine as bajaj
I feel like we're getting ripped off, they charge us double for the KTM lol
@@Tavinho502 wrong. Bajaj shares Engine with KTM. Those engines are made by KTM but since Bajaj manufacturers KTM's bike there,they can use the engine for their bikes.
Same here in eastern EU, this duke is 60% of the price of the Z400
In India its 2000 dollars less
1:37 Imagine John falling asleep... lol
:)) lol
Slashoom 😂😂😂
Wadak na
Ridiculous that my lady even pointed out that he fell asleep standing up.
😂😂😂😂
1:05 eye roll
1:38 nearly falls asleep
Most entertaining parts of this video
7:14 John and Troy think ,"These are nice, but I wish I was on that.'
Sounds like my Aprilia V4...🤔
Forgot to talk about acceleration and top speed? If I recall, the Z400 is slightly quicker which may tip the choice back to the Kawi.
Top speed on my 2017 KTM 390 was 99 mph. ___I got 114 mph out of my 2019 Z 400 on the same stretch of road.
Z400 is just so ugly
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ your comment makes no sense. The heart can cause us to be emotional, which can cause us to be senseless. Logic and common sense can be muddied and unclear. "Listening to your heart" can cause people to make bad decisions. I know KTM likely has created the styling of this bike to move hearts, but when you look at the specs of this bike, it just doesn't compete with Z400. Sorry buddy.
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ and who really cares what you think? To each his own.
The only weakness I have found with the Z 400 is the clutch springs. Slips bad in high rpm shifts. It only has 3 plates and 3 springs. __A set of Barnet springs for about $ 30 is the cure.
Please send me more info. Mine slips when I get on the gas at 5000 rpm or more.
@@rebman5150 like he said, barnet clutch springs. I got a set for my z400 because i’m having the exact same issue
@@loganmw I actually changed out my springs. Didn't have to do the rod or bearing. Mine is a 2020 Z400 and beginning in model year 2020, Kawasaki used the shorter rod and thinner bearing, but still used the weak springs. Slapped in the Barnet springs, and it does not slip any more, no matter how hard I get on the throttle.
I like the ktm but I've owned Kawi's n they r dead reliable n cheap to own . I hear ktm 390's still overheat . I would keep the savings and update a few things on the Kawi . I would take the Kawi for sure
Plus the warranty on ktm doesn't cover the electronics.
@@Shane101A on my ktm duke 390 they changed the TFT-display on warranty 🤔
@@Shane101A that´s not true!
I live in a tropical country and it's already summer time here and it doesn't overheat at all. For warranty, at least here in Philippines, electronics is included.
@Mário Pereira Where are you from? Portugal? Your opinion is really important for me , because after this video my intention is to replace a Honda XRE 300 for this KTM. What can you tell more about your ex bike woes...
Awesome review. Just bought the 18 Duke 390 yesterday part of left over stock from the dealer and paid $5300 CAD is equivalent to $4000 USD. I can’t wait to rip around with this little bike. :)
Any problem so far
5300 for a brand new one? Thats what theyre going for used in Ontario right now
Well I'm surprised to see the pricing of these 2 bikes in the USA.
Here in India, it's totally different. You get the kTm at the half of the price of the Kawasaki.
The 390 Duke we have at around like $3700 and the Ninja 400 at around $7500. The Z400 isn't yet released here. Though there is a HUGE price margin gap between these two here.
Great video as always.
Ride Safe ✌️
Angshuman Sarmah KTM is made in India that’s why
That has everything to do with the KTM being made in India. No import tariffs, no transportation, etc.
@@thebigwarthog yeah ryt bro
But the bmw 310s are expensive here than in America
They r too made here 😅
I'm pointing out at the margin gap and the price of the Kawasaki. I don't exactly know why Kawasaki has increased the price tag of the Ninja 400 by around $2000 in India compared to the as Ninja 300 was but the price remains same in USA
I know KTM is made in India and that's why it's priced low.
Why wouldn't I know 😄 I'm from India too.
wow... thats crazy!!! in my country the kawi is like 300$ more expensive only.
Z400 is super refined, its a twin, parts r cheaper, doesnt need much maintenance , dpendable, reliable.....on the other hand! Ktm looks much sexier than the kawi.
I’ve had my 390 Duke for 6 months and haven’t had a problem as of yet. We’ll see after 2 years (like everyone is saying here).
i own a 2017 duke 390, 20 months have passed so far, idk what will happen after 4 months
The key is not to over rev the engine.
Have you found it reliable?
Been riding Sport bikes since 1965. Got up to a ZX-12 and Numerous Duc’s but as John said I have been downsizing for about 10 years and I have never had more fun than the KTM 390. Had to get it cause my wife hogged her old Duke 640 and I wanted to keep up. John and Egan have been my gurus since 35 cent gas.
Both are great bikes to be honest. I have friends who rip around the mountains with these bikes. The only thing I cannot be sure about is is the long term reliability of each bikes(for those who want to use these bikes all year round).
1:30 look at the old guy xD He's either an excellent actor or he's falling asleep haha. Hilarious either way.
The turn indicators are huge on this KTM, the Duke 390 we get else where has small LED units 🧐
I agree with most of your comparison, but like most TH-cam bike reviewers, you didn't mention the elephant in the room- reliability and cost of ownership! The KTM looks better, might feel a tad more torquey (not why I buy small cc bikes). The Kawi gives you a great bike that's far more reliable for less $$. Make that a Ninja 400 for me though! 🏍
Good to see you guys again. I enjoyed the comparison. Based solely on the looks, KTM is a clear winner. Kawasaki's headlight and wheel design aren't my favorite.
In terms of looks, the 390 Duke is way up
Yes! What were Kawasaki thinking with that headlight design? If not for that, I would have picked the Z400 for it's reliability and the almost on par with Duke performance.
Get some vinyl wrap in classic kawi green and cover that orange up and you get the best of both worlds!
But for reliability not even close.
How can two people have such differing opinions? I don't know. For me it's the exact opposite, one of my reason to stay away from the KTM is it's horrible looks. Like seriously, that headlamp looks awful. Like really really awful. If I saw both of these on the streets, I think most people would say the Kawasaki looks much better
I have a 2015 RC390 and race it I have had only small problems and the bike has nealy 30,000km on it. And here in New Zealand we pay $8 for 1 us gal of fuel
Ryan O'Connor 1 gal= how many liters
I feel for you. Here in South Florida gas is $2.20 /87 RO and $2.80 /92 RO USD per gallon US. ( 3.7854 Liter is one / US Gal. )
Last couple videos are really gettin better. Good work dudes.
Duke 390 can Never match the refined and silky smooth Japanese engine of Z400 . Duke 390 vibrates at lower RPM like any other single cylinder .
Ive owned both here in bulgaria, ktm hands down, absolutely hated the kawa
@@danoff__ Why did you dislike the 400? I’m deciding between both and would love your opinion
@@numberjuan5837 really boring bike and riding it on twisties felt awful, get the ktm, its better in every way
@@danoff__ felt awful how? right now I ride a honda grom
This guy saying that gaz price was ridiculous 3years ago today its dead crazy :)
Svartpilen 401, Duke 390 with out all the flash and a classic look 😉
And a 2k upcharge in the usa
I owned the 390 for three years and 35k km sold to my friend. Now it has almost 60. This bike is super fun but it you want to put more than 50k don't buy it. It ages badly and starts to fall apart. Has major electronic issues. Engine leaks. Harsh engine vibes in 1 and 2 gear. also it's not comfortable .
I agree, I ride with a friend who has a 390 and he's had a lot of engine problems, (runs sweet when it is running well) but I want to know that I'm not going to break down when I go for a ride.
They feel incredibly cheap too.
You must get shitty 390's where you live... my 2016 Duke 390 is a few km's short of 110 000km, maybe a third of that off road... Here in Africa our summer temps are regularly way over 40 degreess C - no overheating... and I'm a big bloke - 6'5 and 97kg...
So far I have had to replace one set of sprockets, 3 sets of brake pads and countless tyres (I ride it like I stole it)... no engine issues, nothing has fallen off or broken, even with some bad offroad conditions...
@@BikerwolFF good for you bro, I got mine when it was newly launched in 2013 so that might be the case. Ride safe
@@nitindabas1990 thank Bajaj for its legendary cost cutting tactics.
Biggest complaints on the Kawi were the seats and liking the KTM looks more.... I look forward to a rematch should the z400rs ever come out. :)
If it looks anywhere as nice as the z900rs, Ill take one. Get on this Kawasaki.
"The older you get, the smaller you like". After 35 years of riding that is so true. I think I'd still prefer a welterweight (550-750 cc) but I'm waiting until my daughter gets her Ninja 400 before I make my final decision. Living in the suburbs makes me appreciate torque over horsepower.
Is the KTM reliability improved ???? If not, I'd pick the Z
@WildSandwich You gonna have so much freakin' fun !!!! Happy wheeling, man !
Not sure. Would have to evaluate all the nuance differences between the Duke and RC. The RC is still behind the times cohesively. It's got a lot of ignored bits and pieces that need updated. I'd buy a Duke over the RC as things sit right now, easily. But, that sensibility factor in the back of my mind knowing that a Kawasaki motorcycle just isn't going to give any trouble and can be trusted for well past 100k miles with proper maintenance? Hard to get away from that, in spite the character differences. Just hope Japan gets off its proverbial butt and starts making interesting reliable machines akin to the good stuff Europe has been churning out in the last decade, especially in the sub 1000cc sport market.
I've got a unmodified '18 MT-09 right now, and that 790 Duke is really calling to me. I'm hoping to get a test drive this year.
My friend owns a 2012 390. 30k km’s, he beats the crap out of that engine. Not a single problem, maintenance is key.
@@jonasv19 Which is very true. However, people using the RC390 for club racing are doing maintenance, and using their machines to the limit. It's exposed a lot of issues (wiring, overheating, head gasket, etc) with the RC. Ari Henning has a video on that bike in full race trim.
I have no problems so far and tons of looks. I have heard from other riders the newer ones are having far less problems. So I think it's worth it if it's a 2018/2019 since they fixed the problems on those.
Your reviews are Very Helpful
I just traded my pcx 150 in on the Z400....only road it 15 miles and I am Very excited I picked the Kawasaki
I've put 800 miles on the bike in 5 months now and I Love my Kawasaki z400 it's so light and fast for a 400cc bike....I feel 25 again every time I Ride it
390 Duke is so much more desirable if you can accept that it will likely have issues. One of many vehicles for me so the issues have been no big deal! Great back road ripper.
is this still true today in terms of ktm/husqvarna reliability?
I have owned the Ktm for over a year now, and it’s never let me down, and I wouldn’t change a thing
Host: dont giveaway where we are riding.
Camera man: pans over state recreation area sign.
😂👍
I’m 6’4” and i own the 2020 390 Duke and I love it. It’s plenty comfortable and punchy torque. If you core drill out the baffle/db killer in the exhaust it sounds a lot better too without being too loud/obnoxious. I love it. Awesome bike, looks cool, handles really well and is really easy to ride in traffic and on a faster windy road. The tyres are okay but they wear out very quickly so you’ll have to factor that in. I had to replace mine at 4,000km and I put on Michelin Road 6’s that are supposed to last a very long time have great grip in dry and wet.
Kawi all day long, just change that dreadful seat and add a top box in back for hauling stuff!!!😎
And go a tooth down on the front sprocket so you can get better around town use out of that rev happy engine.
The only thing I’m hesitant on the KTM is the color. Green is my #1 in almost everything but as a first bike I’m having a hard time finding anything better for the price over the Duke 390. If anyone has any suggestions I’d love to hear them.
That’s funny cuz I’m not fan of the Kawasaki’s green Color lol but in love with ktm’s orange color
If you're planning to have a 400 for more than one season or put a lot of miles on it, buy Kawi, that thing won't give you any trouble and just run.
I just bought a duke and everyone who knows about bikes says theses are a very good bike to ride . I pick it up this week can’t wait .
Twin over single everyday of the week!
3:10 "What did we pay for gas this morning? 4 and a half dollars a gallon for premium? It's rediculous." Ah, the good ol' days, lol
The 390 Duke is a beauty, I choose it all day.
I bought my white 390 Duke new in 2020. I did the de-cat, derestricted air box cover and a Coober piggyback ECU on a stock muffler. Engine cage, bark busters, and sliders. These mods turned it into a different bike. It now redlines just under 10k. I giggle every time I get on it but with that said, it's so light that passing 18 wheelers on the highway at 75-85mph can be like going into a wind-tunnel sideways. Also, I do regular maintenance on it and have had -0- issues in 6000 miles. KTM >> READY TO RACE
Picking up my new 2023 Duke 390 this week... do you know if I can do these same or similar mods to mine that you did on yours?
In Colombia KTM DUKE 390 costs 1000 dolars less than kawasaki z400 so is a better choise than z400
In India it cost TWICE as much as the KTM does.
@@siddhantbaranwal5339 Because the ninja 400 is not made in India, mean while ninja 300 since last year is made in India and kawasaki doesn´t have to pay so much taxes to sell it in that country.
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 I think only the plastics consoles brakes tyres and stuff are made in India else are brought as a CKD.
Ninja 300 sells for a price in which an American could buy a 400
@Pantos Soup MADE IN INDIA = KTM
So prices in ₹ is 2.3 lakhs which is $3200
If it's made in India it's about 60% of the price sold in US.
AND YES THAT INCLUDES PARTS which also cost less (60%) if you buy it from OEMs
@Pantos Soup I see so the parts cost the same ?
Saw the duke on the road today and it’s absolutely gorgeous looks so good rolling down the road.
I was waiting for John to yell “get off my lawn” to the dude who rode by.
One of the better reviews online.
I like the way you guys leave subjective opinions out of the mix and don't just talk about yourselves...
Refreshing.
I'm an experienced rider and I USED to own a couple Yamaha 1981 RD350LCs.
The power to weight ratio (read FUN Ratio) is right close to these subjects.
I sold the Yamaha(s) because by the time you get into the power band, the law enforcement overkill will ensure you lose your license and there's just NO way to ride an LC legally....
I always liked the ER6N, which was the closest thing to the LC in pure "feel" a little bit buzzy and a little bit twitchy and just about the same performance.
But I have always had a soft spot for the Duke 390 and this review points out the Duke's advantages.
looking at the aftermarket power commanders and so forth on the Duke forums it would seem that after overcoming the emissions tuning of the bike, there will be an acceptable level of fun and performance in the Duke.
I think I'll be purchasing a 390 real soon.
I didn't hear anything convincing about the ABS and the quick shifter, although I don't believe that is stock in the US. Also, I don't recall you guys mentioning the slipper clutch.
Though KTM has some higher spec components, I think my choice would be for the Kawasaki. The twin cylinder versus the single may prove more reliable in the long term. As for me, I typically upgrade my bikes with aftermarket pieces anyway, so the addition of braided lines, or fork springs is a small thing.
All those reasons and cheaper in my market as well.
1:32
Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John,
Brother John,
Morning bells are ringing!
Morning bells are ringing!
Ding, dang, dong.
Ding, dang, dong.
As much as I love the KTM, and it is a great bike, I keep my motorcycles at least 4-5 years or longer I just don’t trust the KTM long term. Every Kawasaki I’ve owned has been absolutely perfect in regards to reliability, although I’m sure that could be said for most Japanese bikes. Currently I have a 2005 Kawasaki Z1000 and it does everything I need it to. I can’t imagine getting another bike in the next 5-10 years, that’s how much I love and trust it. I will say that the Z900RS is very tempting looks wise and I may get the Z400 for my wife as she wants to ride with me on her own bike
My duke 390 is almost 4 years old Ill be lucky if I get to keep it for life I wouldn't sell it because it so unique. It all about maintenance and caring for it like a pet.
Take the risk buy ktm if you like it otherwise have fun anyways.
So my 390 will do 6yrs now (the first version) and the engine still performs well, getting a good mileage of 28-30kmpl and changed the sprocket ONCE...
No other engine,coolant,suspension issues and i usually ride like a hooligan....have done 65k and the bike still touches a top speed of 100mph with little vibration(because you know the single cylinder) and most of all the only 2 times i had to get it serviced for parts was because i crashed !!! So mirrors,the side fairing stickers and rear wheel is changed!!!
Now how's that for your reliability doubts
@@yathishbl3757 that's awesome thanks I'm really looking at that bike. Just curious how tall are you? I'm 6-3 I'm wondering if it's too small
@@joebotz1243 I'm 5'7 and can't flat foot on the bike however it's very comfortable for me and doesn't feel very big...also I have the first version of the bike and have ridden the latest version and it'sbetter than the first. It's better if you try the bike yourself
@@yathishbl3757 thank you yeah I'm going to have to go and sit on it I wish they allowed to test rides
Had the 2017 Duke 390 for 1 1/2 years , no serious problems apart from condensation on the TFT display which they replaced. no over heating issues, but as the bike runs lean due to EU emmision law I fit a Rapid Bike easy fueling module which helps keep the pot cooler and have notice the fan doesn't need to come on as much.. Oh and the bike is awesome 👍
yep...i would take the ktm, i just love the way it looks. it's a true cali bike. thanks!
Ok best intro ever. I had to hear that like 3 times before watching the video.
I have the 2020 Z400 and it’s something else! It’s amazing!
My brother is gonna buy the KTM 390 so we’ll see ;)
Thoughts?
@@HansTacsuan I am so happy with the z400, I'm having so much fun!
@@ThePicc98 did your brother end up buying the KTM? I was wondering if you could compare
@@HansTacsuan I'm sorry but no, my brother bought something else so I can't help you with comparing them :(
@@ThePicc98 what did he buy?
At these prices it's no brainer for me to choose Z400!! More HP, torque, reliability, fun, top speed, nibble and peace of mind. Oh the Z400 exhaust sound is so addictive.
I like the style and structure of ktm duke and i like the power and sound of kawasaki z series.
@Bernd DasBrot i meant engine quality smoothness
I have owned a 2016 Super Duke Gt and recently purchased a 2018 Super Duke 1290r. Love the engine!!
Kawi for me, engine durability over "cool" factor appearance.
for commuting Kawasaki, for absolute fun factor with heaps of personality....KTM!
love how john pointed out how fun these smaller bikes can be,how they got plenty of power and is easier on the wallett with its fuel consumption
If you are on a budget maintenance is not something you would want to spend a ton on, so go Kawasaki if you want reliability.
i agree!
It is depend on where you live KTM Duke is cheaper in India
@@Masters_Yukesh I mean you will pay a lot in repairs and upkeep compared to the z400
@@solar8600 kawi spare parts also expensive in India it need to imported(long waiting time) from Indonesia
As I said before it depends on where you from
@@Masters_Yukesh Thought you just meant the bike, you did not say anything about parts... By the way are there no Kawasaki dealerships in India? (Genuinely Curious)
Ninja 400, Z400, Yamaha R3, Benelli 302S are all on my list.
In India ktm price is low. ..it is half of that of a ninja 400..ninja will cost more than 7500 $ ...so Indians always prefer 390 and we have a lot of 390sss
KTMs are made in India and kawasakis are CKDs , hence why
@Bernd DasBrot Agree, let me re type. The KTMs which are cheaper than kwackers in India are locally made. 😀
Oh, I sat on the Duke and couldn’t get off of it fast enough. It was incredibly uncomfortable. The two bikes that I was having a tough time deciding between were the Yamaha RT 03 and the Kawasaki Z 400 and after driving both of them back to back, the Kawasaki for me was the clear winner, and I bought one this morning. I am 6 feet tall 185 pounds and was much more comfortable on the Kawasaki. Also, the Kawasaki had a much more forgiving and gentle clutch. Hope this helps someone deciding which bike to buy.
I am 1, 84 m... And 85 kg in shape... .. Am I too big for Duke 390?
One day we'll get to the chassis from the KTM and the powertrain reliability of the Kawasaki. That would be a dream bike to own.
I was in love with the Z400. But now I think I’d buy the Duke. I wanted the Duke before the Z400 existed anyway.
i have a 390, extremely fun in the twisties but not the best for putting around town on
H31MU7 Really? What do you think would be better for around town?
@@mindspinn311 honestly? a scooter lol. maybe a sv650
H31MU7 hell yes scooters rule! But I’ve wanted a small sport bike for years and I’ve had a scooter and I’m sure I’ll end up with one again.
I am happy owner of 2017 Duke 390 in India..my only concern is the heat considering the tropical climate we live in
Did KTM fix their issues in regards to the reliability of these bikes? Great review.
I wonder, the RC390 has a legendary appetite for head gaskets.
For 2017 Ktm said they went over all the week points and fixed them.
Yes they certainly did. New gen 390 twins are reliable and practical to ride
@@theindianspeedster8229 true brother
KTM. is listening and also making changes as requested by its customers, and this makes it win every type of buyers. ... I LOVE KTM ... I have a DUKE 390 - 2015 and I can say it's a war tank ... It's PERFECT ... only thing I would change - it would be the bank because it's hard ... out this is WONDERFUL ...
saw a list of least reliable bikes... KTM top 3 of least reliable , and i do LOVE the kawi green
I was looking to get a Duke 390 but the reliability issues put me off especially the TFT getting condensation inside. I know someone who had 3 screens do the same. I bought the Ninja 400 Dec 18 and it hasn’t missed a beat.
I've been planning on the N400, mostly city riding, occasional hour on the freeway at a max of 85 90mph. Would you think the 400 would be good or Z400?
Dakota Harless - I’ve never ridden the Z400 but one of the reasons I got the Ninja over others was the full fairing. I use my bike to commute but if I need to go on a longer trip the extra wind protection will be very welcome. At 90 mph you’ll miss a fairing if you go for the Z. I’m not a fan of naked bikes and prefer the sports bike style, hence the Ninja purchase. Best thing is to test ride at your local dealer.
I will also agree to them 390.....looks cool....390 is better💙💙💙💙💙
Price wise, the Kawasaki is $4795 plus 400 shipping and assembly. The Duke was $5495 plus’s 850 shipping and assembly. Local California
You forgot the dealers mark up plus tax, license and registration so you'll be looking in the 7k range out the door.
Always big 4 Japanese bikes for me for the reliability and fun! Had Duke 390, it was too stressful for me to ride, sold it.
Why was it stressful?
Great review guys. All of a sudden I'm surfing craigslist for KTM 390s.
I saw quite a few of those KTMs ripping around the hill roads around Barcelona. They can't all be wrong :) Also: don't you dare complain about gas prices...!
We can complain about gas prices because we have further to ride. SF to LA is 400 miles. Looked it up, it's nearly the same distance from Madrid to Barcelona.
...that's one state. It takes me 3 days to ride to Colorado.
@@aluisious , at $4.50 per gallon I'd complain. Just fueled up today in South Carolina and paid less than $3.00 for 93 (dead dinosaurs, you go Blockhead!) octane.
@Bernd DasBrot Why do you need to go anywhere? Sell your bike, get a rocking chair.
@@aluisious In Greece, we unfortunately pay 1,6 euros for 1lt of gas, so its 1,8 dollars/lt here vs 1,2 dollars/lt in USA ( if we agree that 4,5dollars/gallon is a good example). If you consider the salary differences and the fact that few people do more than 50km/day to go to work (is that true for USA?) gas in USA seems very cheap.
No matter what these reviewers says, I'll go for Japanese bikes all the way. For me, I always choose reliability.
I'd pick the kawi any day. I've had horrible reliabillity issues on my rc125 and considering the fact that the 390 is built in the same factory i'd rather have the kawi.
Proud KTM DUke 250 owner here...happy to see the outcome...
"Lightweight Rippers"
SHOCK!! Motorcycle stopped using the title "beginner bikes" or "entry-level motorcycles"
Kawasaki really missed their opportunity with the 400 when they decided NOT to use a 270° firing interval. Can you imagine? A 400cc twin sounding like a Ducati? Like a high strung MT-07?
Totally agree. I test rode the duke 390 and bought a ninja instead myself. Saw the Z at the dealer and can say that stripping it down to a Z it needs character to make up for the lack of fairings and sporty look - a great sound would be perfect here
@@180FiftyFive kawasaki is better in terms of quality than duke?
@@vinerod12 In terms of quality, I think the Kawasaki is better. If you're buying new and don't mind the possibility of giving the Duke in for repairs under warranty, just go with what feels right - test ride them at a dealership to see what fits you. The Duke is a very fun bike, but too small and light for me, feels a bit like a rocket bicycle. The Kawasaki feels more refined, controlled and substantial.
Well these aren’t beginner bikes so calling them that would be incorrect.
@@gprcamp1435 That's the point. But my comment clearly alludes to the fact MO and other publications have used just that terminology in recent years.
I’ve had a test ride on the Svartpilen 401 and a Z400 as a rental for a few days. The Z wins hands down for the quality feel and more relaxed nature of the twin.
Kawi may be reliable but when u are on the KTM it feels just awesome...pulls hard..handles like a dream...and it looks waaay cooler than Z400...
As an avid Kawi fanatic . . . I have switched to DUKE, , , on a KTM you ride magic on two wheels and no one can argue that KTM DUKE is the ultimate when it comes to character.
They threw around some specs but didnt mention seat heights or their own height for comparison. One of my biggest pet peaves on reviews.
I agree! Plus, short riders are going to be drawn more to these smaller bikes, but the testers always seem to be between 5'10" and 6' 2"
The 2017 duke 390 is far more reliable than people think.
I own that motorcycle and drive it daily on indian roads and indian climates.
The problems I've had were the tail light keeps going bust every indian monsoon( seasonal rains that usually ends up flooding the roads).
Other than that the seat is definitely harder than most motorcycles but is manageable. No other complaints that are worthy enough to moan about.
Vamsi Krishna Ktm in general on most models have issues. My 690 duke was a bag of shite. Great when running but broke down religiously every 21 miles! Binned it and stayed away ever since. The mx bikes would have anything happen floppy levers etc.
Right I also own duke 390 for more than a year now. No problem till now.
@@shubham4074 what abt now
Wondering if the peeps "complaining" about KTM reliability have A). Seen one in person; or B). Ridden one; or C). Owned one; or D). Known someone who owned one. I have owned 10 KTM's of every type and genre since 2008. ONE freak issue with a wiring loom on my 1190 Adventure. It took awhile to find and fix the issue. I got a bit testy. So--KTM GAVE me a Alpinestars Adventure jacket worth $850. Now I wear that jacket when it is a bit cooler on my: 1290 Adventure S; my Superduke 1290 R; My SMC R 690; And my XCF 250. And live happily ever after. Except I want the 690 Endure now, too.
I TRIED to own and enjoy other brands--most lately a beautiful Triumph Thruxton 1200 (And some Ducatis and a 1000 Tuono along the way too. THAT bike worried me a bit for reliability: warm-start cam chain rattle....gauge lighting "browning out" intermittently.....hot start issues.....25 MPG/fill-up every 100 miles...). And the Triumph--it WAS....nice. Nice and boring. Traded it in for the SMC R 690.
I put more miles on that SMC R 690 bike in 3 weeks than I did the Triumph in 3 months. Your results may vary--but do the naysayers ACTUALLY have any personal results to question what seems an age-old, knee-jerk comment on KTM reliability/reputation? Pretty sure the consumer reliability results say BMW and Ducati tend to be the Euro shitters.
The reliability issues people mention are not with ALL KTMs, only the Indian-built 390 series of bikes (and others like 200, 125 etc built in India). I test rode a Duke 390 and RC390 about two weeks ago and they are hella fun, but I asked the dealer where the used duke 390 he had on his website was (it wasnt it the showroom) and he said he gave it as a temp loaner to an owner of a duke 390 that was being fixed under warranty. Coincidence?
He also was interested in telling me that they are very quick to service or fix any issues I might have. Maybe the reliability of the 390s has improved, but I wouldnt risk my money on it.
About your larger KTMs - no one is disputing overall KTM reliability, just the smaller cheaper bikes which are built to a price. Dont be so defensive 😄
They did have a lot of issues with the bikes being raced, and some with the very early bikes. The problem was how KTM North America dealt with the problems. It was so bad that you had to sue them to deal with the issues. If you check the forums it's not difficult to find the information. But for the most part if you don't over revving the heck out of the bikes they are fine.
Good to know, I was eyeing the 790 Duke
I already have a few bikes and mostly ride a Ducati Multistrada 1200 and seriously considering the Z400 as a cheap reliable commuter.
KTM has a better looking design and is more fun to ride in the hills/canyons, but listening to its flatulent sounding exhaust blowing raspberries gets old really quickly.
Better-looking? ...I suppose, but it's not saying much when the Kawi is so utterly horrendous to look at with its putrid design.
The biggest downfall of KTM is it's reliability.
The thing about KTM is, you'd be envious of the people who own it, but you don't really want to own it.
A lot of KTM owners / reviewers says that KTM is a lot more "fun" due to the engine. However, as a long time owner, a smooth and reliable engine will outshine any other engine any day.
It's kind of sad because KTM makes beautiful bikes, the tech. is there, and the look is there. Again however, a motorcycle is purposed to be driven. At such a price, why bother with everything else, when you still need to improve the basics of motorcycles?
It's like slapping a 1900+ abused car with heated seats, bluetooth connection, wifi access etc. when you can't drive it around reliably?
Vs the Kawasaki (or other competitors honestly), the reason you're buying a 400cc bike is because you want to ride it. And at that price point, you *JUST* want to ride it, you don't want to think about the tech. needing to be updated etc. etc.
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ I'd agree with you if it wasn't a compromise on the main purpose of why you bought it.
To rephrase what my point is, how can a bike be fun, if you can't ride it anymore since it already broke itself?
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ If that is your view, then I can't argue with it.
I just speak in general, where people would rest easy knowing well that tomorrow, when they sit on their bike, it will run and get them to their destination.
In my opinion, I don't own either, just tested it... I picked a Honda from the date of my original comment, much more reliable. It's smooth and fast, and that's what I like. If smooth and reliable is what people consider boring, then so be it. We have different perspectives of what "fun" is.
My point is, what can't be argued is the statistic on reliability ratings based on quality control. I'm not saying you can't have "fun" on a KTM you get me? What I am implying is, if you plan on getting a KTM, then expect the odds of you going to a mechanic to be higher, or you should at least know how to fix a bike, which you do, so that's good for you.