What the heck US military why didn't you give him an actual underwater gun instead of a speargun we have the tech currently hell the Russians have had it since the Cold War
@@Zoloft77 i guess the "lore" reason, if unofficial is because they were arrogant in their assumed supremacy over the humans or other non-covenant races.
5:43 The Grunt Rebellion was sparked when Jackals spiked the Grunts' recreational drugs with a sterilizing agent to reduce the grunts' rather substantial reproduction rates. Prior to the rebellions, grunts didn't have a combat role in the covenant military. It was their ferocity in the rebellions that earned them a place on the battlefield in the covenant military, their collective status slightly elevated. It's why there's arguably more bad blood between grunts and jackals than between the brutes and elites.
The Covenant Theocracy is a prime example of why the Forerunners should have maintained a contingent deep in extra-galactic space to survive the Halo array activation. Upon effectively abdicating the Mantle of Respinsibility, they should have taken up a temporary Mantle if Stewardship to teach and advise emergent Races when they discover Slipspace or in extreme cases to intervene in order to prevent a Race's extinction.
Agree. If they only open up a lot more in exno-politics by having some form galactic governing body instead of having dominating civilaztion enforcing through imperial peace.
it is kind of difficult to do that when your entire species is being consumed by the flood and you are only just barely able to activate the halo rings
@@connoroneal7405 sending a small contingent into the intergalactic void wouldn't have been that difficult. The minor loss of numbers wouldn't have made any real difference. It's important to remember that a lot of them died purposefully. It was a cop out. Stewardship would have served its far better penace for their crimes and could've saved billions if not more.
@@UncleMikeDrop the problem with that is that after a 100,000 is that they might just repeat the same mistake and assume the mantle is solely there's again. I think they're choice to die was to make sure they don't repeat the same mistake and give the best chance for the galaxy to find it own way. Although maybe having a few hundred thousand messages in a bottle scattered around the galaxy especially on the world's they seeded explaining a few things could have helped avoided so much BS and pointless wars and fake religions.
Hey the ancient Prophets were super freaking sexy, it was their de-evolution by and deification of the Forerunners than turned them into a race of hover-chair bound geriatrics in giant hats.
@@DonaldWWitt that was actually because of inbreeding. All Covenant prophets descend from 1000 San'Shyuum that escaped their homeworld aboard the Dreadnought.
As per point no. 5, it was the overpopulated Grunts invading the Jackal's nesting grounds and destroying some of their eggs which prompted the the Jackals to poison their water (or recreating drug) supply with a chemical sterilant, which when the Grunts found out about it caused them to mutiny (again).
Covenant technological understanding is adaptive not innovative. Something pointed out in book First Strike. Heck their Plasma launchers on their ships were discovered by Cortana to be highly inefficient and couldn't slipspace into Atmospheres of worlds despite having the means to do so.
@@RocketHarry865 Emergency ship to slipspace, and if they could do it properly they would have done it before arriving at Earth which the covenant didn't.
@@RocketHarry865 actually thats because of the events of Halo First Strike, as DJ Cuevas said. Cortana did all the maths to perform a slipspace jump with Ascendent Justice in the atmosphere of Threshold, but a covenant AI managed to send the information to the rest of the covenant
There is one big technological flaw they had on all there ships which is whenever one of there weapons fired they completely dropped the shields around that weapon. Admittedly they weren't dropped for long, but it did lead to a lot of problems with the UNSC exploiting the heck out of that flaw.
Always put your self first Alan! I really like both Bens, what one lacks the other one makes up for it. They remind me of yin & yang, their two different people that make a whole!!👍☯️👍
British Ben is best, but American Ben have improved a lot. The series about spacemarines sold me on American Ben, he really did a great job with that. Keep it up :)
I really liked this video, as I agree with every point that you brought up during the video’s duration about their biggest ten flaws. And the religious cast system they had were an excelant point to mention, as it was such a problem for the entirety of the Covenant’s existence. Great video Generation Films, and I’ll be very excited to see when the top ten advantages video for the Covenant is made.
Hah! I doubt they’ll be very effective against a man who’s probably killed dozens of dolphins single handed, a team of seals will do little to stop him!
Remember guys, just because Allen is criticizing the Covenant for holding Grunt society back, doesn’t mean he actually wants an advanced independent Grunt society to flourish. He just wants us to recognize them for the untapped dangerous potential that they are.
I love the "Humanity First" point of view on this channel, whether its sarcastic or not. A lot of movies end up sucking, in my opinion, because the film makers try to make the aliens the good guys (Avatar), and i don't want any of that nonsense. I don't care if you are trying to draw parallels to things in our society. If you want it to work, you need to make humanity the good guys, or i don't want any part of it.
some random kid back in 2003 said the covenant were like us because "they composed of different races under one banner". Little Jimmy couldn't be anymore wrong. We are one race. And that is the human race.
The elites were actually quite advanced before their war with the prophets. They started adapting more forerunner tech when the prophets used the key ship to fight them.
Hmmm why doesn’t someone in the Haloverse create a space KFC for the Grunts with the Jackels being the food source (yes I know they probably eat very differently)
Are there really just these three guy? The videos are so thoroughly researched and well written and they put them out so often it makes me wonder if there's a staff. Maybe their girlfriends. Hashtag blokes first.
You make a good point concerning the societal dystopia of the covenant, but I'm not seeing many flaws with the navy itself. With forerunner tech as the backbone they're tough, but they ain't invincible.
Sheesh, you made the Covenant sound no less incompetent than the Galactic Empire. If the Covenant's advantages don't make up for these glaring flaws (many of which seem worse than even the Galactic Empire's flaws), then I'm tempted to rate them as a 2 (alongside the Galactic Empire).
At 6:40, behold, on the far right, the Greatest Hero of Man, Captain John "Mad Jack" Churchill, who fought in WWII armed with a broadsword, saying that it was improper for an officer to go into battle without a sword, and a longbow, which he used to claim the only confirmed longbow kills of the entire War. His pants must have been custom made, because I don't think any military makes pants capable of containing that mans sheer testicular fortitude. Balls of the finest Tempered Steel!
Grunts are pretty good at languages, which is why they are put in charge of communication equipment. In games, some Grunts will scream in English at the Chief.
There were a few flaws you missed that should be considered. 1 poor and highly predictable tactics (most of the time) resulting in absorbing heavy losses with stretched out supply lines 2 As part of the cast system they used brute controlled destroyers as MAC fodder, to overwhelm Orbital defense grids, this led to the formation of the Banished, before the Great Schism 3 A complete failure to manage war fatigue, by the time of the Great Schism, the Covenant were already cracking, you had the Banished and a number of smaller rebellions cropping up, it is possible had the Halos not been discovered and Reach lasted a couple more years, they would have broken on their own, especially if the Pillar of Autumn was able to carry out the mission it was modified for. 4 being ineffective at hiding logistical infrastructure being set up in captured territory, or otherwise protecting it, this may be alternatively be attributed to ONI, but the Covenant often found forward shipyards and fuel depots that would have made logistics much more sustainable, destroyed by the UNSC before they could be truly utilized
Mind if I share some bonus flaws that aren't inherently or necessarily tied to their society and political structure? -Shield windows - Another comment already mentioned this but basically their ships usually had to temporarily open a "window" in their shielding to fire some of their more significant and powerful weapons, UNSC ships could potentially exploit these with a MAC round or even better, a nuclear missile detonating inside the shields. -Simple tactics - Because of their overall significant power in space warfare compared to the UNSC (barring Spartan boarding teams and the like), the Covenant could usually just brute force the UNSC in a space fight and their commanders often did so, leading to clever UNSC commanders finding creative ways to outsmart the Covenant. Of course, there were few exceptions such as Thel'Vadam whose tactics and unpredictability almost secured victory for the Covenant were it not for the incidents that led to the events of Halo CE and Halo 2. -Lack of fleet diversity - The Covenant has a lot of different ship types, but their fleets were usually composed almost entirely of the CCS Battlecruisers, while it is a fairly versatile and powerful workhorse, the low number of specialist and support ships in comparison means that the Covenant fleets are often a jack of all trades, but a master of none.
You guys should do a space Navy series on the Starship Troopers universe. But not the film's or receive the anime, but the old 2000 Razaks roughnecks Chronicles! You guys should watch the series! It's awesome despite the show running I to production problems
Due to them seeing that mendicant bias (the forerunner military AI commander) went againt it's master after getting the logic plague, the covenant refused to develop AI systems and replaced them with disposable grunts.
Dear humanity, we regret being alien bastards, we regret coming to earth, and we most defently regret that the core just blew up our ragedy ass fleet, HOORAH!
Good to see you again Allen, sorry about the gills. So, I'd like to ask a clarifying question that I think would help with a lot of the negative comments on these videos. So, what are you guys defining as the "Best"? Like, are you trying to decide which navy would win in total war? Which navy succeeded best at it's goals? Which navy is most efficient/well designed or run? If you answered this in an earlier video, sorry, I must have forgotten. But there was a lot of criticism on the UNSC flaws video, and I think clearly defining your definition of "best" would help stop a lot of that. Although there will always be the fanboys, haha.
We all appreciate your preparedness to make bodily sacrifices and undergo experimental gene therapy to destroy the vile Dolphin deviants.We salute your dedication to the cause, Allen. Humanity First!
The greatest flaw of the covenant? They picked a fight with humans. Humans are the luckiest, most tenacious, and downright dirtiest fighting force in the universe. It's a species so cunning and audacious it not only fielded a generically modified, dolphin fighting Allen but also TWO BENS!
I wouldn't say that was their greatest flaw. Not by a long shot. Fact of the matter is that humanity was beaten, and quite badly - the only thing that saved the UNSC and by extension humanity was the Great Schism and the Elites turning against their former masters. By the time of Halo 3 humanity had lost nearly eight hundred colonies with only Earth and a very select handful of other worlds left, none of them military or economic power houses... and had the civil war never happened Earth would've been glassed. It's quite possible and even likely that the UNSC would've been able to reach the Ark and maybe even kill Truth/prevent the rings from firing, but fact is that any human force following the Covenant through would've been facing multiple CAS assault carriers and over a dozen CCS cruisers..... using only a handful of unshielded frigates. Nothing would be left to prevent Earth's destruction afterwards. The UNSC's Hail Mary play was supposed to be the Infinity - an ark of sorts for the best and brightest of humanity should Earth fall - but the ship simply wasn't finished by the time the Covenant found Earth.
biggest 3 IMHO are tactics, logistics, and war fatigue tactics were largely predictable, which lead to very costly major engagements logistics: they were unable to set up much infrastructure to shorten the supply chain and distance reinforcements had to travel (largely thanks to ONI) so those losses took longer and longer to replenish war fatigue: they were cracking before Reach, even having very large break away factions like the Banished to deal with
Elites: Oh boy, who are we fighting today? Prophet: some low level civilization called "humanity" Elites: uhhh.... gimme a sec _Elites have switched teams_
I know that you do like some Aliens like Wookiee’s, because they aren’t too repulsive or dangerous, but what do you think of the grunts? They are a mistreated race who have a lot of potential. If they tried to align themselves with humans, would you accept that?
One of the forerunner's A.I. told the San'Shyuum (Prophets) what the forerunners really were and founded to be equal to humans. This was the reason the Covenant declared holy war on humans. In order for the San'Shyuum to maintain power and not collapsing the Covenant.
0:31 its stuff like this that make you my personal hero, the lengths your willing to go for us to destroy those dolphin fuckers even sacrificing your humanity and turning in to part fish. For that I salute you ('-'*ゞ Thank you for your sacrifice. 😢
3:01 that can't be right. Different races have different stats. Different levels of speef, strength, ect. No point having a fast tvaoan when it has to slow down so the brutes can keep up. It would be like having a squad of 4 different fighter craft. Which we already covered in a previous star wars video.
I would love to see Stargate thrown into this but the human fleet is to small right now. But my favorite ship of all time is a daedalus-class cruiser fully upgraded.
@@armycowboy4313 too small 10 years ago, if they do a new stargate show they'd need to account for the time gap and keep in mind they went from seeing alien technology for the first time too building their own space fighters in like 6-8 years and then on to their first capital ships just a couple of years after that. So you can easily assume they expanded quite a bit in 10 years. Damn I want a new stargate show.
Give or take a few and don't forget about the fighters and the ancient ships they have like Atlantis, or Destiny (I know the Destiny is on the other side of the Universe), and free Jaffa NEED I SAY MORE
@@justinburrichter8134 hey preaching to the choir. Well I'm pretty sure once the Density get home, the stargate command get upgraded on it will make it a very powerful flag ship. And the city of Atlantis on it's own could destroy a lot of ships on it's own. The Jaffa ships are only really good for cannon fodder.
Good afternoon, my apologies for being late for this. However, I have noticed that you view the different species within the Covenant as mindless savages. But in reality, there are some species within the Covenant who respect humanity. The Unngoy absolutely love human culture... so much so that there is a Black Market of Human merchanddise on their homewarld of Balaho. The Sangheili has a great deal of respect for us, mainly because we just never gave up during the war. In fact, there were many Sangheili who asked the San' Shyuum Reformist Prophets why humanity couldn't join the Covenant when they allowed other species, like the Yanme'e, and the Lekgolo to join after similar resistance. The Sangheili figured that something was going on behind the scenes. And when Arbiter Thel 'Vadam finally learned the truth during the Great Schism, he relayed this to rest of the Sangheili and their allies. Call me a Xeno lover all you want, but I do have a great deal of respect for the Sangheili. They have indeed apologized for everything that happend in the war and said they were simply following orders. After all, nobody is perfect... and when you stop, sit down, and have a conversation with them. You realize that the Sangheili and Humanity are more alike than once thought. I hope this does not fall on deaf ears. Thank you for taking some time to read this, and I hope who ever reads this has a wonderful day. May Urs' ever lasting light shine upon you all.
sure it matters who has the biggest stick, but it matters a hell of a lot more on who's swinging it It matters not how grand the castle may be, if it is built on a foundation of sand
*"Without change there is no innovation, creativity, or incentive for improvement. Those who initiate change will have a better opportunity to manage the change that is inevitable."* -W.P. *"For good ideas and true innovation, you need human interaction, conflict, argument, debate"* - M.H. Support Innovation
Part of their technological stagnation is the inefficiencies in their tech, humans with their less advanced tech can improve upon Covenant tech with just software changes. Also their lack of tactics and strategy, their technological superiority has stunted their tactics to be forward charges and attacks
I have to admit that's one of their advantages are there plasma based weapons. In Halo reach the Plasma Pistol has the same time to kill as the standard assault rifle. Grunts are also five feet tall. So it runs on with the Plasma Pistol is equivalent to one of our soldiers armed with a assault rifle... which is insane... their weakest and shittiest Force is equivalent to our standard infantry. Also the original make of the plasma rifle that you see in wars, reach, 1 2 and 3. Was perfectly designed for the elites as it gave them amazing firepower in a single hand which allowed them better maneuverability, and a smaller silhouette. But like idiots they've since reverted to traditional two handed weapons, *and have taken to binge eating radioactice foods. That's why they look so warped and fat now.
The biggest flaw of the Covenant is their military hardware and just how badly designed some of their equipment is. Also their over-reliance on plasma is a huge draw back because plasma can't do everything and is easily stopped with a magnetic field. You don't even need a super strong magnetic field to stop plasma (a mag bench to inspect parts produces a magnetic field that is many times stronger than Earth's). Admiral Cole took advantage of this when he lured a Covenant fleet into a gas giant's magnetosphere and rendered their weapons useless. Then there is the fact that when it comes to long range engagements, plasma is the worst thing to use simply because it will start dissipate as soon as it leaves the barrel. Just because they use plasma doesn't mean they're advanced, it means they're stupid for using only 1 weapon system that can easily be counter-acted. The wraith is a horrible vehicle to use as an MBT and it shows and the Seraph is a horrible vehicle to use as a space superiority fighter. When it comes down to it, the UNSC is actually superior since their coil guns and rail guns fire projectiles that don't suffer the same way as plasma as well as fire different types of ammo (MACs can fire guided munitions) and can do damage that can be impossible to stop without the mystical energy shield that defies even the universes' own rules. Hell, even fucking Star Wars has more weapon system diversity. Take the Imperial fleet for example. They have vehicles and starships that carry not only the usual blasters and variants of them (ie ion weapons), but also several different types of missiles, mass drivers (shoots out a solid projectile) and beam weapons which allows them to fight efficiently and effectively against whatever comes their way. I love your videos but you kinda missed this major flaw about the Covenant.
Great video but I think you should have talked more about the lack of innovation. You discussed the cause but not the results so much. Look at what cortana was able to achieve in first strike while in control of a covenant ship. She instantly took their weapons and slip space capabilities to another level. If the covenant had the techniques she created then for the entirety of the war humanity would have never stood a chance
In the end all it took was two guys to make the whole thing crumble. Granted, one of them was the goddamn Master Chief, and the other was alien Keith David (that voice is a superweapon on par with the Halo Array).
What the hell? British Ben is clearly more dangerous. EDIT: It wasn't a good idea, no, but the Covenant were terrifyingly close to winning. Had a couple things here and there gone a different way, they would have absolutely won.
Trying to compare any faction to Warhammer is an exercise in futility. It's like comparing any somewhat self respecting comic book hero to Saitama from One Punch Man - you just don't. Not because it's a literary masterpiece or because it's well thought out but because Warhammer is something of a parody like OPM is. Nothing is meant to be taken seriously, and everything is over the top ridiculous because the universe runs on grimdark and the Rule of Cool. The series has no place in any meaningful comparison or versus series simply because it doesn't impose any meaningful limitations or even logic on itself or its native factions, which is why it always wins whenever anyone tries. Anyone asking for such a match up is effectively requesting a spite video, regardless of how close it might appear at a glance.
@@slate8409 40k is, at best, equal to the forerunners. The forerunners technological achievements far outclass those of the imperium. The imperium may have an advantage in the use of space magic. Other than that they would get stomped.
Scifi always puts Humanity as the only race following the "Jack of ALL trades, master of NONE" trope. Any other race we find is always specialized and either relies on other races/species for supplement, or requires a strict caste system for tasks deemed lesser in importance to the "one thing." Elites are tacticians and could put their minds to great works of the mind in technology and societal advancement, but they are kept as warriors, capitalizing on one skill. MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE: Turians take the role of elites, living in a Military Meritocracy where all "citizens" must serve by conscription. Quarians were engineers before the Morning War as well as after. Asari are deep thinkers and philosophical. Salarians are scientific and take any advantage for a positive end result. Krogan are survivors, putting brute force strategy and "all or nothing" ideals as their mainstay. I can go on! We NEED a scifi where Humanity continues its very real place of "the adaptors," but the aliens we fight are TOO. More or less in this and that, but equally as able to adapt to a challenge, leading to a Mind Race, as opposed to an Arms Race alone, putting every strategy, technology, advancement, idea and perspective on the table to win out...If other "lesser" species need to be there with their "one thing" to balance it out, fine. Ally, NeutraL or Enemy? I AGREE WITH BEN, AND I THINK WE NEED A SCIFI UNIVERSE WITH AN EQUALIZING MEASURE. NEITHER SIDE MORE OR LESS ADVANCED, BUT ONE MUST STILL RISE TO THE TOP.
you know last night i had a dream .... a dream where i had a trident and i was floating above the water and dolphins where basicly leaping into my trident... all i was doing was floating backwards, not even stabbing them and they still killed themselfs... must of killed at 10 or so
All the technological supiority in the world, or rather galaxy in this case, means very little if the military power in question is also tactically/strategically inferior. While good military technology in comparison to others and good military strategic planning skills generally go hand and hand so to speak, this is not always the case, even inside of the history of our own world, which has been a good thing and a bad thing at various points of human history, not at the same time of coarse.
I know this channel is all humanity first but i felt like he was genuinely mad at the covenant during this video. I kept expecting him to just snap and start yelling.
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Great job Allen for volunteering against the dolphins!
What the heck US military why didn't you give him an actual underwater gun instead of a speargun we have the tech currently hell the Russians have had it since the Cold War
Cough Atlantis Cough
Kill all those demons
...By becoming a mutant.
Shhhh, Project: Piccolo is secret.
I sense that you are sympathtic towards the grunts. It would be a shame if the commissars got wind of this.
Don't fret, sympathy is a necessity of humanity, for is it not our sympathy that wishes to end the misery of their existence?
Euthenasia of the aliens is the highest form of human compasion. For it ends their heretical existance
The emperor protects!
They’re basically a medieval society with cool spaceships
Yup. What sort of space faring military does not actual encrypt their battle communications?
@@Zoloft77 i guess the "lore" reason, if unofficial is because they were arrogant in their assumed supremacy over the humans or other non-covenant races.
5:43 The Grunt Rebellion was sparked when Jackals spiked the Grunts' recreational drugs with a sterilizing agent to reduce the grunts' rather substantial reproduction rates. Prior to the rebellions, grunts didn't have a combat role in the covenant military. It was their ferocity in the rebellions that earned them a place on the battlefield in the covenant military, their collective status slightly elevated. It's why there's arguably more bad blood between grunts and jackals than between the brutes and elites.
The Covenant Theocracy is a prime example of why the
Forerunners should have maintained a contingent deep in extra-galactic space to survive the Halo array activation. Upon effectively abdicating the Mantle of Respinsibility, they should have taken up a temporary Mantle if Stewardship to teach and advise emergent Races when they discover Slipspace or in extreme cases to intervene in order to prevent a Race's extinction.
Agree. If they only open up a lot more in exno-politics by having some form galactic governing body instead of having dominating civilaztion enforcing through imperial peace.
it is kind of difficult to do that when your entire species is being consumed by the flood and you are only just barely able to activate the halo rings
@@connoroneal7405 sending a small contingent into the intergalactic void wouldn't have been that difficult. The minor loss of numbers wouldn't have made any real difference. It's important to remember that a lot of them died purposefully. It was a cop out. Stewardship would have served its far better penace for their crimes and could've saved billions if not more.
@@UncleMikeDrop the problem with that is that after a 100,000 is that they might just repeat the same mistake and assume the mantle is solely there's again.
I think they're choice to die was to make sure they don't repeat the same mistake and give the best chance for the galaxy to find it own way.
Although maybe having a few hundred thousand messages in a bottle scattered around the galaxy especially on the world's they seeded explaining a few things could have helped avoided so much BS and pointless wars and fake religions.
@@shadowphoenix1696 Doubtful. It also could've prevented the Covenant and the Flood resurgence.
Ironically, the ancestors of the Prophets were allied with ancient humans against the Forerunners.
History has a strange sence of humor didn't it.
Hey the ancient Prophets were super freaking sexy, it was their de-evolution by and deification of the Forerunners than turned them into a race of hover-chair bound geriatrics in giant hats.
@@michaeld.uchiha9084 sense*
Ironic indeed
@@DonaldWWitt that was actually because of inbreeding. All Covenant prophets descend from 1000 San'Shyuum that escaped their homeworld aboard the Dreadnought.
And that’s why the Banish is so effective as a fighting force,they use all the races not in castes but in abilities and give them a common goal
Remember Harvest my friends
Remember Reach
And the hundreds of other planets that the Covenant glassed, Truth, Regret and Mercy are dicks, along with all the Jiralhanae
@@Jedi_Spartan Atriox and that old Brute from the post-war are pretty cool though.
@@cpMetis true but all the others from the Covenant are dicks
@@Jedi_Spartan The Arbiter would like to have a word with you
Every time someone subscribes a primitive alien tribe is glassed from orbit
As per point no. 5, it was the overpopulated Grunts invading the Jackal's nesting grounds and destroying some of their eggs which prompted the the Jackals to poison their water (or recreating drug) supply with a chemical sterilant, which when the Grunts found out about it caused them to mutiny (again).
I love the Bens, long live humanity!
The Bens love you too.
Covenant technological understanding is adaptive not innovative. Something pointed out in book First Strike. Heck their Plasma launchers on their ships were discovered by Cortana to be highly inefficient and couldn't slipspace into Atmospheres of worlds despite having the means to do so.
yet an assault carrier did in halo 2
@@RocketHarry865 Emergency ship to slipspace, and if they could do it properly they would have done it before arriving at Earth which the covenant didn't.
Adam Baker the covenant stole the data of Cortana’s atmospheric jump to learn how to do it hemselves.
The covenants are copycats basically
@@RocketHarry865 actually thats because of the events of Halo First Strike, as DJ Cuevas said. Cortana did all the maths to perform a slipspace jump with Ascendent Justice in the atmosphere of Threshold, but a covenant AI managed to send the information to the rest of the covenant
Should just call this 10 flaws of Covenant society instead.
But it became the 10 flaws of the fleet, because this flaws affect the fleet, in term of technology, commandment, strategy, unity, etc....
It's good of you to acknowledge American Ben drives on the wrong side of the road
He’s a danger to us all
you should include some navies from the stargate universe in this series
That why you buy a bike then there is no wrong side we can ride straight down the middle
Or take the cyclist lane cause there sure as hell not using it
@@edlippincott6205 I was gonna suggest this as well I want them to do the asguard
You forgot the part when the corp destroyed their raggedy ass fleet
Hoorah
Remeber Harvest! Remember Reach! Remember New Mombasa!
NightRaven 1901 Well Earth isn’t *entirely* glass
Africa gone though
8:04 For those wondering a Covenant Missionary ship absolutely doesn’t look like that. That is a fan creation in Halos Forge Mode.
There is one big technological flaw they had on all there ships which is whenever one of there weapons fired they completely dropped the shields around that weapon. Admittedly they weren't dropped for long, but it did lead to a lot of problems with the UNSC exploiting the heck out of that flaw.
i must admit watching grunts explode into confetti never gets old nor do their screams when they see master chief
Always put your self first Alan! I really like both Bens, what one lacks the other one makes up for it. They remind me of yin & yang, their two different people that make a whole!!👍☯️👍
British Ben is best, but American Ben have improved a lot. The series about spacemarines sold me on American Ben, he really did a great job with that.
Keep it up :)
If Ben grows gills, doesnt that mean that human first doesnt apply to him?
Humanity first still applies to Ben or any human growing gills.
Because he's still human...but with gills
I like how most of your points don't apply to the Banished, which is why the Banished are so terrifying.
I really liked this video, as I agree with every point that you brought up during the video’s duration about their biggest ten flaws. And the religious cast system they had were an excelant point to mention, as it was such a problem for the entirety of the Covenant’s existence. Great video Generation Films, and I’ll be very excited to see when the top ten advantages video for the Covenant is made.
That's classified intel, a Seal team is on the way!
Hah! I doubt they’ll be very effective against a man who’s probably killed dozens of dolphins single handed, a team of seals will do little to stop him!
This is MEGALODON Actual, closing on target....👍
*ONI
Ooof oh God
8:00 That's a screenshot from an extremely old build of Space Engineers. =P
One Allen is always better than two Bens! I love these channels. HUMANITY FIRST!
always refreshing to hear someone just as zelously against zenos as me
I like all three of you equally. You are like a good trio.
Remember guys, just because Allen is criticizing the Covenant for holding Grunt society back, doesn’t mean he actually wants an advanced independent Grunt society to flourish. He just wants us to recognize them for the untapped dangerous potential that they are.
“No dolphin shall escape my wrath” - 😂😂 love it ♥️♥️
I love the "Humanity First" point of view on this channel, whether its sarcastic or not. A lot of movies end up sucking, in my opinion, because the film makers try to make the aliens the good guys (Avatar), and i don't want any of that nonsense. I don't care if you are trying to draw parallels to things in our society. If you want it to work, you need to make humanity the good guys, or i don't want any part of it.
some random kid back in 2003 said the covenant were like us because "they composed of different races under one banner". Little Jimmy couldn't be anymore wrong. We are one race. And that is the human race.
Ben's are the same person, both lizard people with different skin suit
The elites were actually quite advanced before their war with the prophets. They started adapting more forerunner tech when the prophets used the key ship to fight them.
Found the channel last night and haven't stopped watching, you guys definitely earn a sub!
Hmmm why doesn’t someone in the Haloverse create a space KFC for the Grunts with the Jackels being the food source (yes I know they probably eat very differently)
Are there really just these three guy? The videos are so thoroughly researched and well written and they put them out so often it makes me wonder if there's a staff.
Maybe their girlfriends. Hashtag blokes first.
You make a good point concerning the societal dystopia of the covenant, but I'm not seeing many flaws with the navy itself. With forerunner tech as the backbone they're tough, but they ain't invincible.
Sheesh, you made the Covenant sound no less incompetent than the Galactic Empire. If the Covenant's advantages don't make up for these glaring flaws (many of which seem worse than even the Galactic Empire's flaws), then I'm tempted to rate them as a 2 (alongside the Galactic Empire).
At 6:40, behold, on the far right, the Greatest Hero of Man, Captain John "Mad Jack" Churchill, who fought in WWII armed with a broadsword, saying that it was improper for an officer to go into battle without a sword, and a longbow, which he used to claim the only confirmed longbow kills of the entire War. His pants must have been custom made, because I don't think any military makes pants capable of containing that mans sheer testicular fortitude. Balls of the finest Tempered Steel!
Grunts are pretty good at languages, which is why they are put in charge of communication equipment. In games, some Grunts will scream in English at the Chief.
There were a few flaws you missed that should be considered.
1 poor and highly predictable tactics (most of the time) resulting in absorbing heavy losses with stretched out supply lines
2 As part of the cast system they used brute controlled destroyers as MAC fodder, to overwhelm Orbital defense grids, this led to the formation of the Banished, before the Great Schism
3 A complete failure to manage war fatigue, by the time of the Great Schism, the Covenant were already cracking, you had the Banished and a number of smaller rebellions cropping up, it is possible had the Halos not been discovered and Reach lasted a couple more years, they would have broken on their own, especially if the Pillar of Autumn was able to carry out the mission it was modified for.
4 being ineffective at hiding logistical infrastructure being set up in captured territory, or otherwise protecting it, this may be alternatively be attributed to ONI, but the Covenant often found forward shipyards and fuel depots that would have made logistics much more sustainable, destroyed by the UNSC before they could be truly utilized
Mind if I share some bonus flaws that aren't inherently or necessarily tied to their society and political structure?
-Shield windows - Another comment already mentioned this but basically their ships usually had to temporarily open a "window" in their shielding to fire some of their more significant and powerful weapons, UNSC ships could potentially exploit these with a MAC round or even better, a nuclear missile detonating inside the shields.
-Simple tactics - Because of their overall significant power in space warfare compared to the UNSC (barring Spartan boarding teams and the like), the Covenant could usually just brute force the UNSC in a space fight and their commanders often did so, leading to clever UNSC commanders finding creative ways to outsmart the Covenant. Of course, there were few exceptions such as Thel'Vadam whose tactics and unpredictability almost secured victory for the Covenant were it not for the incidents that led to the events of Halo CE and Halo 2.
-Lack of fleet diversity - The Covenant has a lot of different ship types, but their fleets were usually composed almost entirely of the CCS Battlecruisers, while it is a fairly versatile and powerful workhorse, the low number of specialist and support ships in comparison means that the Covenant fleets are often a jack of all trades, but a master of none.
You guys should do a space Navy series on the Starship Troopers universe. But not the film's or receive the anime, but the old 2000 Razaks roughnecks Chronicles! You guys should watch the series! It's awesome despite the show running I to production problems
Seems like it would be so easy to play with the different factions of the Covenant against each other
Damn. Hard to believe that the brutes have only been part of the covenant for 34 years before the human covenant war began.
2:35 I swear thats a grunt wearing an ODST helmet...
Due to them seeing that mendicant bias (the forerunner military AI commander) went againt it's master after getting the logic plague, the covenant refused to develop AI systems and replaced them with disposable grunts.
I love all three of them but the first one I saw for this channel was allen.
Ben+ben=0.1% of your power
Dear humanity, we regret being alien bastards, we regret coming to earth, and we most defently regret that the core just blew up our ragedy ass fleet, HOORAH!
YEAH! More Space Engineers replica ships :D
Good to see you again Allen, sorry about the gills. So, I'd like to ask a clarifying question that I think would help with a lot of the negative comments on these videos. So, what are you guys defining as the "Best"? Like, are you trying to decide which navy would win in total war? Which navy succeeded best at it's goals? Which navy is most efficient/well designed or run? If you answered this in an earlier video, sorry, I must have forgotten. But there was a lot of criticism on the UNSC flaws video, and I think clearly defining your definition of "best" would help stop a lot of that. Although there will always be the fanboys, haha.
6:46 HERESY! A Guardsman has no other loyalty than to the Emperor, his superiors, and his brothers in arms!
The planet broke before the Guard did!
We all appreciate your preparedness to make bodily sacrifices and undergo experimental gene therapy to destroy the vile Dolphin deviants.We salute your dedication to the cause, Allen. Humanity First!
The greatest flaw of the covenant? They picked a fight with humans. Humans are the luckiest, most tenacious, and downright dirtiest fighting force in the universe. It's a species so cunning and audacious it not only fielded a generically modified, dolphin fighting Allen but also TWO BENS!
I wouldn't say that was their greatest flaw. Not by a long shot. Fact of the matter is that humanity was beaten, and quite badly - the only thing that saved the UNSC and by extension humanity was the Great Schism and the Elites turning against their former masters. By the time of Halo 3 humanity had lost nearly eight hundred colonies with only Earth and a very select handful of other worlds left, none of them military or economic power houses... and had the civil war never happened Earth would've been glassed. It's quite possible and even likely that the UNSC would've been able to reach the Ark and maybe even kill Truth/prevent the rings from firing, but fact is that any human force following the Covenant through would've been facing multiple CAS assault carriers and over a dozen CCS cruisers..... using only a handful of unshielded frigates. Nothing would be left to prevent Earth's destruction afterwards. The UNSC's Hail Mary play was supposed to be the Infinity - an ark of sorts for the best and brightest of humanity should Earth fall - but the ship simply wasn't finished by the time the Covenant found Earth.
biggest 3 IMHO are tactics, logistics, and war fatigue
tactics were largely predictable, which lead to very costly major engagements
logistics: they were unable to set up much infrastructure to shorten the supply chain and distance reinforcements had to travel (largely thanks to ONI) so those losses took longer and longer to replenish
war fatigue: they were cracking before Reach, even having very large break away factions like the Banished to deal with
Elites: Oh boy, who are we fighting today?
Prophet: some low level civilization called "humanity"
Elites: uhhh.... gimme a sec
_Elites have switched teams_
Just ask Vietnam.
+Slate
Finally, someone who gets it!
I know that you do like some Aliens like Wookiee’s, because they aren’t too repulsive or dangerous, but what do you think of the grunts? They are a mistreated race who have a lot of potential. If they tried to align themselves with humans, would you accept that?
... sure
One of the forerunner's A.I. told the San'Shyuum (Prophets) what the forerunners really were and founded to be equal to humans. This was the reason the Covenant declared holy war on humans. In order for the San'Shyuum to maintain power and not collapsing the Covenant.
remember Reach
0:31 its stuff like this that make you my personal hero, the lengths your willing to go for us to destroy those dolphin fuckers even sacrificing your humanity and turning in to part fish.
For that I salute you
('-'*ゞ
Thank you for your sacrifice.
😢
3:01 that can't be right. Different races have different stats. Different levels of speef, strength, ect. No point having a fast tvaoan when it has to slow down so the brutes can keep up. It would be like having a squad of 4 different fighter craft. Which we already covered in a previous star wars video.
What about stargate Ships(304, Destiny, Atlantis,303)groups (SGC, Wraith, Tollens, Ancients, Genii, Lucien Alliances, Asgard, both Ben's are cool
I would love to see Stargate thrown into this but the human fleet is to small right now. But my favorite ship of all time is a daedalus-class cruiser fully upgraded.
@@armycowboy4313 too small 10 years ago, if they do a new stargate show they'd need to account for the time gap and keep in mind they went from seeing alien technology for the first time too building their own space fighters in like 6-8 years and then on to their first capital ships just a couple of years after that. So you can easily assume they expanded quite a bit in 10 years.
Damn I want a new stargate show.
@@coreymicallef365 same. And the last I heard there was at least 8 cruisers made
Give or take a few and don't forget about the fighters and the ancient ships they have like Atlantis, or Destiny (I know the Destiny is on the other side of the Universe), and free Jaffa NEED I SAY MORE
@@justinburrichter8134 hey preaching to the choir. Well I'm pretty sure once the Density get home, the stargate command get upgraded on it will make it a very powerful flag ship. And the city of Atlantis on it's own could destroy a lot of ships on it's own. The Jaffa ships are only really good for cannon fodder.
We need a flaws of the Ben episode.
Get more Ben's! We won't be able to arque about which one is better if we were too confused about new Ben's!
Good afternoon, my apologies for being late for this. However, I have noticed that you view the different species within the Covenant as mindless savages. But in reality, there are some species within the Covenant who respect humanity. The Unngoy absolutely love human culture... so much so that there is a Black Market of Human merchanddise on their homewarld of Balaho. The Sangheili has a great deal of respect for us, mainly because we just never gave up during the war. In fact, there were many Sangheili who asked the San' Shyuum Reformist Prophets why humanity couldn't join the Covenant when they allowed other species, like the Yanme'e, and the Lekgolo to join after similar resistance. The Sangheili figured that something was going on behind the scenes. And when Arbiter Thel 'Vadam finally learned the truth during the Great Schism, he relayed this to rest of the Sangheili and their allies. Call me a Xeno lover all you want, but I do have a great deal of respect for the Sangheili. They have indeed apologized for everything that happend in the war and said they were simply following orders. After all, nobody is perfect... and when you stop, sit down, and have a conversation with them. You realize that the Sangheili and Humanity are more alike than once thought.
I hope this does not fall on deaf ears.
Thank you for taking some time to read this, and I hope who ever reads this has a wonderful day.
May Urs' ever lasting light shine upon you all.
sure it matters who has the biggest stick, but it matters a hell of a lot more on who's swinging it
It matters not how grand the castle may be, if it is built on a foundation of sand
Human Ben or secretly Reptilian Ben.
1 Alan>2Bens
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Which Alien Hive Mind is Best? (Harvesters?, The Ceph?, The Formics?, The Wraith?, Tyranids?, The Borg?) Best and Worst Aspects of each species.
Part of their technological stagnation is the inefficiencies in their tech, humans with their less advanced tech can improve upon Covenant tech with just software changes. Also their lack of tactics and strategy, their technological superiority has stunted their tactics to be forward charges and attacks
Do stargate ships
I have to admit that's one of their advantages are there plasma based weapons. In Halo reach the Plasma Pistol has the same time to kill as the standard assault rifle.
Grunts are also five feet tall. So it runs on with the Plasma Pistol is equivalent to one of our soldiers armed with a assault rifle... which is insane... their weakest and shittiest Force is equivalent to our standard infantry.
Also the original make of the plasma rifle that you see in wars, reach, 1 2 and 3. Was perfectly designed for the elites as it gave them amazing firepower in a single hand which allowed them better maneuverability, and a smaller silhouette.
But like idiots they've since reverted to traditional two handed weapons, *and have taken to binge eating radioactice foods. That's why they look so warped and fat now.
The biggest flaw of the Covenant is their military hardware and just how badly designed some of their equipment is. Also their over-reliance on plasma is a huge draw back because plasma can't do everything and is easily stopped with a magnetic field. You don't even need a super strong magnetic field to stop plasma (a mag bench to inspect parts produces a magnetic field that is many times stronger than Earth's). Admiral Cole took advantage of this when he lured a Covenant fleet into a gas giant's magnetosphere and rendered their weapons useless. Then there is the fact that when it comes to long range engagements, plasma is the worst thing to use simply because it will start dissipate as soon as it leaves the barrel. Just because they use plasma doesn't mean they're advanced, it means they're stupid for using only 1 weapon system that can easily be counter-acted. The wraith is a horrible vehicle to use as an MBT and it shows and the Seraph is a horrible vehicle to use as a space superiority fighter. When it comes down to it, the UNSC is actually superior since their coil guns and rail guns fire projectiles that don't suffer the same way as plasma as well as fire different types of ammo (MACs can fire guided munitions) and can do damage that can be impossible to stop without the mystical energy shield that defies even the universes' own rules.
Hell, even fucking Star Wars has more weapon system diversity. Take the Imperial fleet for example. They have vehicles and starships that carry not only the usual blasters and variants of them (ie ion weapons), but also several different types of missiles, mass drivers (shoots out a solid projectile) and beam weapons which allows them to fight efficiently and effectively against whatever comes their way. I love your videos but you kinda missed this major flaw about the Covenant.
Every new subscriber = one covenant super city destroyed.
Allen is the best and I prefer him to do all the videos
Great video but I think you should have talked more about the lack of innovation. You discussed the cause but not the results so much. Look at what cortana was able to achieve in first strike while in control of a covenant ship. She instantly took their weapons and slip space capabilities to another level. If the covenant had the techniques she created then for the entirety of the war humanity would have never stood a chance
In the end all it took was two guys to make the whole thing crumble. Granted, one of them was the goddamn Master Chief, and the other was alien Keith David (that voice is a superweapon on par with the Halo Array).
What the hell? British Ben is clearly more dangerous.
EDIT: It wasn't a good idea, no, but the Covenant were terrifyingly close to winning. Had a couple things here and there gone a different way, they would have absolutely won.
Can you do the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man (Halo vs Warhammer 40k) please?
Trying to compare any faction to Warhammer is an exercise in futility. It's like comparing any somewhat self respecting comic book hero to Saitama from One Punch Man - you just don't. Not because it's a literary masterpiece or because it's well thought out but because Warhammer is something of a parody like OPM is. Nothing is meant to be taken seriously, and everything is over the top ridiculous because the universe runs on grimdark and the Rule of Cool. The series has no place in any meaningful comparison or versus series simply because it doesn't impose any meaningful limitations or even logic on itself or its native factions, which is why it always wins whenever anyone tries.
Anyone asking for such a match up is effectively requesting a spite video, regardless of how close it might appear at a glance.
40k would have its as kicked by forrunners
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What are you saying?
@@slate8409 40k is, at best, equal to the forerunners. The forerunners technological achievements far outclass those of the imperium. The imperium may have an advantage in the use of space magic. Other than that they would get stomped.
A better one would be the Imperium vs the Flood at their height with star roads as well as Mendicant Bias.
Funny, humanity fought off the Covenant with a) an alliance with the Sangheili. And b) Humanity actually exploiting planets.
Scifi always puts Humanity as the only race following the "Jack of ALL trades, master of NONE" trope. Any other race we find is always specialized and either relies on other races/species for supplement, or requires a strict caste system for tasks deemed lesser in importance to the "one thing." Elites are tacticians and could put their minds to great works of the mind in technology and societal advancement, but they are kept as warriors, capitalizing on one skill. MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE: Turians take the role of elites, living in a Military Meritocracy where all "citizens" must serve by conscription. Quarians were engineers before the Morning War as well as after. Asari are deep thinkers and philosophical. Salarians are scientific and take any advantage for a positive end result. Krogan are survivors, putting brute force strategy and "all or nothing" ideals as their mainstay. I can go on!
We NEED a scifi where Humanity continues its very real place of "the adaptors," but the aliens we fight are TOO. More or less in this and that, but equally as able to adapt to a challenge, leading to a Mind Race, as opposed to an Arms Race alone, putting every strategy, technology, advancement, idea and perspective on the table to win out...If other "lesser" species need to be there with their "one thing" to balance it out, fine. Ally, NeutraL or Enemy?
I AGREE WITH BEN, AND I THINK WE NEED A SCIFI UNIVERSE WITH AN EQUALIZING MEASURE. NEITHER SIDE MORE OR LESS ADVANCED, BUT ONE MUST STILL RISE TO THE TOP.
Not going to lie, he had me in the first half of the intro.
6.37 Is that Jack Churchill on the right? The one storming the beach with a broadsword!
I thought he said "breed underwater" at first and I got a little excited...
you know last night i had a dream
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a dream where i had a trident and i was floating above the water
and dolphins where basicly leaping into my trident... all i was doing was floating backwards, not even stabbing them and they still killed themselfs... must of killed at 10 or so
All the technological supiority in the world, or rather galaxy in this case, means very little if the military power in question is also tactically/strategically inferior. While good military technology in comparison to others and good military strategic planning skills generally go hand and hand so to speak, this is not always the case, even inside of the history of our own world, which has been a good thing and a bad thing at various points of human history, not at the same time of coarse.
You should do videos for the Romulan and Klingon navies.
I like all of u guys; ur channel is one of my faves
Finally preparing to destroy the dolphin menace
My favorite part of some halo books are the grunt story
When your last name is Allen so you have to agree that one Allen will always be better than two Bens
The real question lies in how many dolphins each ben can slay
"The covenant were a spacefaring species" - what does that even mean?
Everybody knows the best Ben is Allen anyway.
I know this channel is all humanity first but i felt like he was genuinely mad at the covenant during this video. I kept expecting him to just snap and start yelling.
The jackal missionary ship pic was a build in space engineers.
You need to make more halo
American Ben or British Ben? Bah we all know that Allen is the one true ben.