10, OUT OF 10 (Part 18): Teeny tiny Gloomhaven & LORENZO IL MAGNIFICO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- Can you believe we're 180 games into this series? It feels like just yesterday when we were making ridiculous promises about getting through our entire board game collection (LOL). This week we're taking a look at three classic puzzle games and one new one... as well as a thoroughly loved classic of ours - Lorenzo il Magnifico, and top of the hotness, Gloomhaven Buttons & Bugs.
Enjoy! A&M xx
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:12 Gloomhaven: Buttons & Bugs (BGG 7.6)
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07:40 Pixies (BGG 6.8)
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13:41 Avant Carde (BGG 7.1)
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19:07 Calico (BGG 7.5)
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23:47 Cascadia (BGG 8.0)
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27:28 Verdant (BGG 7.4)
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32:21 Harmonies (BGG 8.8)
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38:26 Lorenzo Il Magnifico (BGG 7.9)
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45:10 Feierabend (BGG 7.1)
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52:34 Lacuna (BGG 7.6)
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58:38 Wrap up
Thanks for stopping by! We're Amy & Maggie aka ThinkerThemer. We're an Australian couple with two very different perspectives of what makes a great board game - Amy (Thinker) is all about the mechanics and enjoys tight, competitive games, and Maggie (Themer) is all about the storytelling and the theme of the game, and the 'world' that the designer is trying to create. Subscribe to our channel to hear us talk about these two elements of a game, and how well integrated we feel these are in delivering a cohesive and wonderful game experience.
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"You look like you're having fun. But you don't look like you're REALLY having fun."
"I'm internally delighted."
Very sweet. At 45:22 the german word "Feierabend" means the end of the working day and time to relax. You have to say "fire -a (like in "artist)" bend (like in "bend over")". "Abend" means "evening" in english. Many greetings from germany 🙂
Really appreciate you guys for putting the links and the ratings from BGG in the description, super helpful! :D
@@greenskynz If you look up the term 'Guys' it is actually considered to be gender-neutral and used for both groups of men or woman. If you'd like to you can look the term up online on for example; Cambridge Dictionary, ldoceonline or Collinsdictionary.
@@greenskynz If you look up the term 'Guys' it is actually considered to be gender-neutral and used for both groups of men or woman. If you'd like you can look the term up online on for example; Cambridge Dictionary, Idoceonline or Collinsdictionary.
If you look up the term 'Guys' it is actually considered to be gender-neutral and used for both groups of men or woman. If you'd like you can look the term up online on for example; Cambridge Dictionary, Idoceonline or Collinsdictionary. :)
So glad you covered Lorenzo! I've always been on the fence due to lack of theme, but your review convinced me to get it, tension 😀!!!
My favorite ladies from down under! My Flatout ranking is: Cascadia, then Calico, then Verdant (although I haven’t played it seems less my cup of tea than the other two). But, Amy’s point about Calico tension has me rethinking my ranking.
This video was my listening for my morning and afternoon commute today, lovely.
Great to see Lorenzo covered in this video (and in the comments too)!! It is one of our absolute favourites at 2p as well!
We particularly love the expansion with the asymmetric families, and the auction to bid on them at the start of the game. It adds a ton of depth and effectively unlimited replayability. It does take a few plays of the base game to get your bearings before adding them in. It could be one of the reasons this game is underrated - but for those who like Lorenzo, I highly recommend the expansions!
"A 7.7?!!" 🤣🤣🤣 It's these genuine moments that make your channel such a joy to watch.
I agree, Lorenzo is one of my top 10s! My ex husband got it for $99 with a gift card at a FLGS and I remember turning my nose up at it based on the box cover alone…then we played it and everything you said about the tense player interaction is true. I love love love it. It’s definitely never leaving my collection. ❤
Loved this episode. Your passion and excitement was contagious 😊
Great video. Loving the channel and this series. Looking forward to trying out Harmonies and Lacuna is delightful!
I so look forward to your game reviews! The different perspectives you both give are great! Thank you for this channel!! You both are wonderful!
Out of the 3 games I prefer Cascadia over Calico or Verdant but that is just personal preference and low entry requirements. Lorenzo has been on my "must play" list for way too long, I need to play it soon! Lacuna has been my go to with my wife as a coffee break game, such a beaut!
I laughed so much when Amy was describing Calico! I love this game. So much more than Kaskadia. I did not try Verdant or Harmonies, but Harmonies reminds me of another game - Dreamscape, which I genuinely enjoy. Thanks for the series and your thoughts!
I also thought of Dreamscape when I saw Harmonies. Looking forward to giving it a try when it arrives ❤
“I am internally delighted” I soooo identify with this statement when my partner has questioned my enjoyment at time. Love it. Good fun!
Thanks Amy and Maggie, love your 10 out of 10 series!! I have most of these games and enjoy them all in their own ways... I must play Lorenzo again soon! And now Harmonies is on my preorder list, lol.
I love Calico!
It was one of my first solo games (and one of my first ‘proper’ games) so I will always have a lot of love for it.
Like Amy I slightly cooled on it a bit once I’d played more games and understood luck mitigation better, but last time I went back to it I warmed back up again, because it *is* a brain burning game and I love agonising over every tile placement… but weirdly because the luck element is so big I can kind of relax while I stress if that makes sense?
Like if I do badly, it’s absolutely not my fault at all, it was totally 100% the tiles 😂
I was also thrilled to see Buttons and Bugs get a shout out! I love the Gloomhaven base system/mechanics but do get a little bit bored with all the ‘kill all the bad guy’ missions. But I’m still loving Button and Bugs purely for the novelty factor of being able to play an entire game of it *and* pack it away in the time it would take me to set up a game of Gloomhaven lol plus the story and art are super freaking cuuuute!
Also Maggie’s chuckle as she said ‘all these flowers will be mine’ in the Lacuna review was possibly the most adorable ‘evil’ laugh I’ve heard in ages.
I love that you love Lorenzo. It is one of my favorite games ever and I think that the expansion is essential.
Thank you for the great content 😊
Congrats on getting through 180 games!!! Bahhh you're doing it and I adore this series. I love your full circle moment with Calico! So incredible. Also Maggie had me rolling "you and Harmonies sitting on the tree!" 🎶
Of the three I think I would rank them the same, but a little closer together. Calico is definitely my favorite, we have it on our 10X10 this year and have been trying the scenarios in the back of the rulebook which have been fun! Harmonies sounds like a very interesting puzzle game, I will be on the look out for that for sure! And I have been casually looking for Lacuna whenever I look at games, hoping to be able to find it locally or when I am already getting something, not quite enough to order it by itself, but I am very interested in it.
Love these videos and the genuine fun you guys have together!
Glad to see someone else talking about Feierabend! That game is such a banger. Agree that it doesn’t have the longest legs but it’s great for what it is. Would kill for an expansion or two
I did not realize that Calico was the game that started it all for you two! I love the game - and so does my 85-year-old mother. We have dubbed Calico "the game in which I get a turn" because she tends to not let me have any! lol
Thanks for another great video!
I feel like it gloomHaven and all its variants is an interesting combination of a dungeon crawl and a puzzle game
Lorenzo made my wife cry, so yeah, it‘s tough, but great. 😁
Delightful video as usual.
Dude, that is sooooo funny. I hope your wife is doing okay😂
@@Richard-il6wc yeah, she's fine, but I have to hide that Box 😁
I just stumbled over your channel and really enjoyed this video!
I would rank the Flatout Games trilogy exactly the same! Calico is my favourite, the draft is definitely a bit lucky but there's something about the tightness of the puzzle combined with the simplicity of it which really sings to me. I also have a lot of love for Lorenzo, it's the quintessential dry euro! A rare amount of agreement from me with this episode lol
I think the simplicity of Calico is what keeps me going back too. It’s such an elegant simple game and I love how something so simple can hurt me so badly lol
Verdant is my favorite of these three. Cascadia is not engaging enough, Calico is too frustrating, but Verdant is just right!
Remarks: 1. I played them Solo only, and 2. digitally so I don’t have to deal with the upkeep.
just fyi there's an excellent official variant for cascadia that speeds it up by a LOT (like 30% faster overall) :)
Harmonies definitely looks like my jam - thanks for the recommendation 🙂
Awesome shirts! ❤
Nice new episode. I only got my Undersized Gloomhaven yesterday. Need to check it out still. The big luck-factor with the tiles always kept me from buying Calico. I prefer Cascadia and still need to try my Verdant copy yet. "Feierabend" seems very intriguing. I hope there are no scabs in this game! LOL Love your pronunciation. "10, out of 10" -- no matter how regular it will be -- there cannot be an end (simple Math), ever. So, just keep going.
Calico is definitely my favourite of the three Flatout games also - the others have nice artwork but just don't have that perfect combination of rules simplicity and brain-burning, push-your-luck puzzle. I moved Verdant on pretty quickly even though I loved the plant illustrations, and I'm still not totally sold on Cascadia. But you have convinced me that I need to try Harmonies, which looks a bit like a prettier riff on Reef.
I am always excited to see this series pop up!! Great list of games! Some I haven't played. My favorite of the trilogy is Cascadia..it edges out Calico for me. I haven't played Verdant yet. But my fave of this series is Lorenzo!! I am with Amy, I love this game! I haven't played it in a while, but really need to. I would have probably given it a similar rating! Keep up the series! Love it!
great video again... love this 10 out of 10 vids :) You somehow convinced me more to try lorenzo! As you mentioned that cascadia is kind of solitaire multiplayer game, and it seems you are more into interactive games, can you drop some of your favourite interactive games? :)
I was playing online solitaire Calico off and on while I listened. I also play solitaire Cascadia online, which I also enjoy, but then I live in Cascadia! Verdant is available in the same place but I can never wrap my head around it - perhaps because I'm so bad at taking care of houseplants?
Funny how tastes vary. Cascadia is one of my two favorite games ever and I adore it. It's such a vibes-based and relaxing game, and for me it is just as close to 'perfect' as a game can get. Given that, I'm now super intrigued by Harmonies and will be hunting that one down, because it seems I'm going to love it. Thanks for the rec 💜
Verdant is my favourite, the only one I purchased, and I think it has the best overall look. Something about matching the rooms lighting to plant needs is so satisfying. I find its puzzle to be the right balance of restriction and freedom for tile and card placement. I play mostly solo. Cascadia is more freeform and loses tension (second favorite) but I find the overall look a bit garish. Calcio is more restrictive and stressful, which for me equates to less fun.
My favorite of the 3 is Cascadia but a friend of mine is testing Hamonies, I will test it soon.
Worker placement is one of my favorite mechanisms by far. I really enjoy the choose-your-own-adventure that it often provides for deciding which locations to visit/activate and in which order. I also like the tension that most worker placement games create from not being able to place workers at locations already visited by opponents. I haven't played Lorenzo, and its look isn't appealing, but I have heard it mentioned one or two other times in recent months, so I'd be up for trying it if the opportunity arose.
Oh, and I almost backed Button & Bugs cos it seemed like that might be my only opportunity to play another 'haven game (played Jaws of the Lion a few years ago and super enjoyed it), but it seemed heavier on the battling, which I thought might get repetitive, so I passed. Although, this year I started a Frosthaven campaign with friends, and that has been great, and it's been rad to finally get into a big 'haven campaign.
Love the new t-shirts they look awesome. May have to invest in Lorenzo game just for the enthusiasm of the review
I still have Lorenzo in shirk, I need to fix that. The FF games looks and sounds so good. I may need to look into that more, also really want Fast Sloths but it's harder to get now and didn't have budget at time. I can live with playing at cons or other peoples copies, truth is I do not have a lot of people close in my game group who enjoy the FF games the way I do.
Like painting the Sydney Harbour Bridge….As soon as you finish you gotta start again
I haven't played Verdant but my preferred ranking is: Cascadia with Landmarks Expansion -> Calico -> Base Cascadia. I'm very excited for the upcoming roll and write for Cascadia.
Lorenzo is one of my favorites. I recently traded for Paladins and Architects of the West Kingdom and enjoy them also.
btw, the opposite of having a green thumb is known as having a black thumb. Love these videos. Can't wait for more.
Feierabend is already a Classic with my Union Friends.
Harmonies looks interesting, thanks.
I own Calico and I still enjoy it, but maybe less and less as time passes. I think I like Verdant the best of the three. Cascadia is a solid, fun game, but I don't feel like i need to own it. Verdant lets me feel like Im building something enjoyable rather than slowly giving up on my dreams like Calico. Verdant is definitely different enough to own but I still have trouble justifying when shelf space is limited. Calico got here first and that stubborn cat isnt going anywhere.
Dead on about Lorenzo. Top Five game for me.
I want your shirt and sweater. Love them 😍
I have Lorenzo Il Magnifico but have yet to get it to the table...Ack!
I bought Calico on your recommendation all those years ago and my daughter hates it! So in our family, the ranking is Cascadia, Verdant and then Calico (but I personally prefer Calico over Verdant).
I haven’t played verdant but I prefer Cascadia over calico, mostly because of the look of the game. Calico is more visually appealing to me than Cascadia plus I like fitting the pieces into the board spaces. Harmonies looks very good!
Those shirts are just so cute! Who’s the designer?
Andrew Bosley (artist for Everdell!) there's a merch link in the channel description 🙂
Feierabend - pronounced Fire - ar - bund.
Love your reviews - I really don't know how you can score a game. That's like a dark art to me.
Rather "fire-hub-end" with silent h ;)
@@languagemaus8083 Are you from Koeln?. I would debate ah or ar as a phoenetic guide for english speakers but not uh.. ;-)
@@intheblack841 Uhmm du hast doch Recht und ich war noch nicht in Köln. I'm just an italian mouse that got too confident. Chiedo perdono 🐁
Next episode, please! ☺ Also, how do you choose which ten to rate per video?
I think my ranking of the flat out games trio is 1) Cascadia, 2) Verdant, 3) Calico. But all of them will live in my collection forever and they look so lovely together. I also have Fit to Print, Deep Dive, and Point City on the shelf with them and they look lovely. Deep Dive gets the most play out of them all because my husband loves taking it to meetup groups and it’s playable with my young nieces and nephew. Played Fit to Print with a group of 6 and it was one of the most fun experiences I have had in a game night.
I want to try Feierabend for the theme alone!
It's more like "Fah-yer-ah-bend" (Feierabend) :D
Verdant is 1 of my most played BGs! Every game night when I don't know what to bring, I'd somehow almost always end up with Verdant.. Such a cozy game, but not too cozy, just the way I like it! 🪴🪴
Oh, and I don't mind the upkeep at all since I'm very "OCD" so I usually am that person who would do the upkeep! 😅😅
Harmonies sounds good
Great video. For Harmonies who’s the artist? You love the art but don’t mention the artist.
Love these vids but dang it your enthusiasm hurts my wallet. Pre-ordering Harmonies!
Thanks for making these videos :) I love seeing people like me instead of straight white dudes lol
collecting severed, green thumbs = "really cute"? Yowza.
I've had my eye on Feierabend for foreeeeever... I'll have to pull the trigger soon, because like Maggie I absolutely love that theme (and we really like Friese games generally)
Calico is still the OG for me, it was one of the first games I got when getting into the hobby, and it still sings for me as a brain-burny puzzle... glad to hear tho that I'm not the only one who's still "meh" on Cascadia. My partner loves it, and I've gotten into this cycle where everytime he asks to pull it off the shelf, I'll then follow our play up with another bout of solo games of it before giving it up again (still haven't beat Scenario #7 with those damn foxes lol). But it's just... too abstact and not colorful enough? Idk. I love Verdant waaaaaayy more tho, so maybe it's just the theme is too butch for me. lol But Verdant is definitely my favorite, because I've spent the most time on the solo campaign which I really, really love, because it's the perfect solo experience (for me), in that it's a nice balance of think-y point salad (pun intended) and chill, casual, cup-of-coffee game.
Two ways in which we’re similar: our rankings of the Flatout games and our ability to kill “unkillable” plants 🪴 🪦