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I got some pretty detailed ones. On the simple side, I think Thales/Arundel killed Patricia less than a week after the Tragedy to prevent her from becoming a liability. I also hc the Almyran Empire to be a fantasy Mongol Empire with all the attendant history of conquest and political culture, though that isn't too much of a stretch. In addition, I think there might be some surviving Nabateans who left after the initial war with the Agarthans, went east, and essentially became the equivalent of Chinese dragon gods. Also, I believe the Umbral Beast from Cindered Shadows and the Hegemon Husk are related forms/beasts, since both seem to be warped/incomplete versions of Sothis' heteromorphic vessel, given that both forms were achieved in part thanks to her Crest or an item directly related to her.
One sort of theory I've seen is the one regarding the weirdness with Dimitri in Silver Snow. It only occurs in that route, so something is different here. I've seen two major theories on it. The first is that Dimitri is alive and meets with Byleth to basically abdicate the throne and then disappear. The second one is that Dimitri is a ghost that has come to visit Byleth before passing on, and they're only able to see Dimitri because over the course of Silver Snow they are becoming more and more of a "Goddess" or more ingrained with Sothis' power.
@@c.w.crawley6668 This would make for an amazing video topic if Ghast wanted to use it. I love this scene on SS because it's so random and mysterious. It only happens on SS and it feels very ethereal. As for my view, I think it was a spirit. And I think Dimitri was implying that he committed suicide post Gronder. He says that he's here to explain himself to Byleth, almost like his spirit feels guilty for giving up and reaching his lowest point. Thus, he's unable to cross over until someone (Byleth) can reassure him and help him to move into the afterlife/etc.
My theory (a rather comedic one about the calendar system) is that Fodlan is actually much smaller than it seems and everything is within a days reach or less. Seriously, you're telling I can go to Sreng for a tan and take a dive in Lake Teutates and still have time to defend the Almyran border?
As I see things: 1) They experimented on Hapi and other children to see if they can replicate the methods use by their ancestors to "grand Crests" 2) Using those results, they move to Lysithea and her siblings to experiment how to "put a second Crest" in someone in a efficient way 3) Using those results, they create the Flame Emperor
This would make sense but idk if the timelines add up. We have estimated times for most of these, although I cannot remember them off the top of my head. I think Hapi says when Cornelia caught her, in terms of how many years ago. We also know around when Lysithea was experimented on because it happened after her family aided the Hrym rebellion. And we also know when Edelgard was take by her uncle (then Thales) back from Fhirdiad to Enbarr. If the timelines add up, then this theory could easily have some basis.
@@l.n.3372 How the time line is given in canon. 1167 House Ordelia suffers Imperial intervention after aiding with House Hyrm's failed rebellion, Agarthan mages pretending to be from Adresatia are dispatched and experiment on Lysithea and her siblings leaving her the only surviving child at age 3 1168 Hapi runs away from the hidden village of Timotheos and is captured and experimented upon by "Cornelia" to replicate the same effects her ancestor had at age 9, ends up making her able to both attract monsters when she sighs and deal effective damage against them no matter what attack she uses. 1176 Edelgard and Arundel leave the Kingdom before the Tragedy of Duscur, learning from their experiments with Lysithea they implant Edelgard with The Crest of Flames as the perfect weapon to combat Rhea and the Church of Seiros leaving Edelgard's siblings either dead, sick, or mentally unable to take the throne at age 14. At the same time Hapi escapes from Cornelia and seeks shelter in a church within Faerghus when she is 17.
@@johnathanedwards9054 You literally said a different canon than OP. OP said Hapi was tortured first, Lysithea second and Edelgard third. You said Lysithea was first, then Hapi, and Edelgard last.
@@l.n.3372 Because that is what it says in the game, the notes section on the rosters of all characters tell what significant lore relevant events in their lives happened to them on what year prior to their enrollment into the Officer's Academy. This is the time line that the game gives you for when these events took place.
The stuff surrounding Patricia/Anselma is so weird. Besides the fact the mystery more or less goes unresolved in Blue Lions, when looking at the info the game gives you about her, I honestly get the feeling there is a good portion of her story which... kind of goes untold, which lowkey bothers me.
@@MrGksarathy the problem I have with that is why bother going through the effort of keeping her alive in the first place? It would make more sense to kill her in Duscur with everyone else and would prevent people like Rodrigue from questioning the mysterious circumstances of her going missing.
@@pearsemolloy9656 Fair point. Personally, I think it might have to do with them needing to string her along for a little bit longer after the Tragedy because who knows what she might have done that night if she realized she was to die with everyone else?
There's a reddit post which speculates that the scandal that forced Anselma to leave the Empire was El's Daddy trying to make Anselma his only wife, and the royal concubines stopped that from happening using their political power. If that post is correct, then that is a massive story untold
An interesting theory that I've heard is that Seteth, at least, sealed his dragon form away and essentially became a manakete (His circlet being his Dragonstone). Flayn may be Saint Cethleann, but she seems pretty young for a dragon and she was apparently so badly injured that she was in a coma for however long it had been since Sothis battled Nemesis, so its possible she simply doesn't have mastery over her shapeshifting abilities. I'm not entirely sure if that's what the devs had in mind, but it's an interesting theory that I personally like.
*Theory: Hubert's father got replaced by a slitherer.* The fact that Hanneman, knowing Hubert's dad from the past, and Hubert's opinion of how him are so different points to that possibility. So far every time when a big personality change happened, like with Monica & Cornelia, that was the case. It would also make alot of sense for the slitherers, who overthrew the emperor, to turn the head of his personal guard into a traitor to make it much easier. It also seems hard to square Hanneman's impression that Hubert's dad was clearly a good guy with him continuing to go along with things like the experiments on Edelgard and her siblings, even if he thought overthrowing the emperor was the right thing to do. Another, smaller hint might be how quick Hubert is to kill him (assuming that's true), which is unusual. Despite all his talk Hubert isn't actually very quick to assassinate people. He primarily relies on intimidating people by threatening to do so. He gives Byleth 2 warnings and then still doesn't try anything until the war itself and doesn't even kill Duke Aegir either, for example. The only exception to that is the slitherers, which him and Edelgard always kill on sight any time they have a chance, which is also the treatment Hubert's dad got.
Could also explain the Dark Magic connection, considering its been reserved for characters involved in some way with the dubstep cult. It could also explain why canonically (or at least, mechanically) a Dark Mage certification only gives you Miasma. The Church knows so little about the Slitherers thay they can only reverse engineer their most basic spell for their Officer's Academy curriculum.
Hubert and Hanneman doesn’t share the same opinion of a same person doesn’t indicate that person having a change in personality, it’s more likely than not just, different perspectives, or one of them being somewhat blinded to truth. It’s much more thematically meaningful that Hubert’s father was a genuinely decent person that never got replaced than another tired schtick of “the slitherers steal identities”, the BE trio are just, carefully written foils in the way they see their parent’s “misdeeds”. And I swear you guys are just trying to make Hubert appear smarter than he really is. His “intelligence” is very much flawed and it’s ok.
I always thought Arundel somehow threatened to kill Hubert, and Hubert's father had a panicked parent moment where he realized he cared more for his son than he did the emperor, thus leading to his actions in the Insurrection. Actions that, incidentally, flew straight in the face of all the indoctrination he had already shoved down Hubert's throat, causing Hubert to resent, and eventually murder him.
@@fyncheniteO I mean to be fair, the Slithers did it to Tomas, Monica, Arundel, and I think Cordelia as well as a couple of others. So it does seem to be their go to thing when they can get away with it, so the theory has both legs to stand on.
Honestly I would believe the hegemon husk being intentionally designed to resemble Sothis' adult form by the Agarthans as if to mock the Nabateans. What greater insult could they put upon Seiros than to put their greatest creation into the bastardized form of her mother?
In terms of her lifespan, it can be returned to her. For example in Linhardt and Lysithea's couple ending, Linhardt finds a way to remove her second crest. In the Edelgard and Lysithea ending, they use a TWSITD device they find while fighting them and get their extra crests removed. So realistically, as long as Lindhardt survives the Black Eagle route, and regardless of romantic affiliations, Lindhardt has the capability of figuring out how to remove crests. I'm sure that as Empress, Edelgard would commission Linhardt to start researching how to save her, and if not her then Byleth or Hubert would certainly.
@@jkarma3356 I don't know, with how quick she was to gather an army and go to war to get her changes through, I'd have to think she might have been hiding more serious health concerns so as to not damage morale and get things done. Lysithea was given her late 20s early 30s to live, so maybe Edelgard was actually not that much farther behind her, mid 30s or early 40s maybe?
@@jkarma3356True, however that is thanks to the information of the Lindhardt and Lysithea endings which tell us after the fact that there are ways to remove crest related medical issues in the future if researched enough. and it could be inferred that in her solo she may have still gotten treatment just not directly from Lindhardt or with Lysithea. However I was talking about Pt.1 and Pt.2 where this knowledge is to their knowledge at best a pipe dream.
The most annoying thing about Patricia is the fact that she's never mentioned at all in CF, and only barely mentioned in AM. These are the 2 routes that should have discussed her the most. But she's ignored completely in CF and only vaguely discussed in late game AM with no resolution.
@@papersonic9941 In AM, they explain that Patricia was part of the plan (aka the assassination of the king, prince and their guard) while framing Duscur. And supposedly she did it solely to return to the Empire and be reunited with her daughter (Edelgard). If that is true, and we have no evidence really either way, then it absolutely should have been mentioned in CF as well. Because why does Edelgard never mention her mother returning to the Empire? The tragedy of Duscur happened 4 years before the academy phase. As Ghast explains in the video, Patricia should have turned up by then if she did everything to simply return to the Empire again. Unless of course it was never Patricia the real person, but an imposter who had killed and replaced her all along, similar to Arundel and Cornelia. Which is probably the more likely explanation. But even so, why is fake Patricia anyway? We see Thales/Arundel and fake Cornelia. But not fake Patricia.
Edelgard killed her when they returned to the empire to earn Thales/Arundel's trust which mirrors Hubert killing his father. Dimitri tells Edelgard twice he believes she killed her in both Blue Lions and Black Eagles and additionally specifically mentions he always suspected Arundel was behind Duscur. So do the math. Dimitri only shares his belief with Edelgard, because Gilbert and Rodrigue clearly have not been told by Dimitri he believes this. His close connection to Edelgard is how he figured it out.
@@alphblishtarl9374 She was: Edelgard killed her when they returned to the empire to earn Thales/Arundel's trust which mirrors Hubert killing his father. Dimitri tells Edelgard twice he believes she killed her in both Blue Lions and Black Eagles and additionally specifically mentions he always suspected Arundel was behind Duscur. So do the math. Dimitri only shares his belief with Edelgard, because Gilbert and Rodrigue clearly have not been told by Dimitri he believes this. His close connection to Edelgard is how he figured it out.
Fallen Edelgard's weapon is called Twin Crest Power, and from the way the cutscene in Three Houses was presented I thought Hegemon Husk Edelgard was created by using her crests at full power at the same time to cause a mutation. That much power at once definitely goes against the power system of Fodlan. As for her lifespan, I definitely agree that it was shortened which was why she was so desperate to change the system of Fodlan extremely fast herself before she died from a short life. Either she brings about her change herself or hopes that whoever stops her proves strong enough to bring a similar change themselves. As for Edelgard's mother whether her body was found or not I've always believed she got caught up in the Tragedy of Duscar and was killed in the chaos anyway. Just because her body was never found doesn't mean she couldn't have been killed just like every other poor soul in the Tragedy.
These are my interpretations of these mysteries: 1: Lady Anselma is probably dead. After she created the Tragedy of Duscur alongside Cornelia, it is very unlikely Those Who Slither would let her live. She simply knew too much. In my mind, Anselma ran to a designated safe point during the Tragedy, where she was met with a smirking Cornelia, who then revealed her Agarthan form and killed the queen. 2: I don't know how many years Edelgard had left, and maybe she didn't either. That would certainly be a big motivator in her schemes. In my mind, Edelgard wouldn't survive beyond her 30's. 3: I always believed the Hegemon Husk was an invention of Those Who Slither. Some sort of magical spell or artifact that triggered a transformation in Edelgard. It was likely TWSITD's final trump card to destroy the surface dwellers. Myson is also there on the same map, likely studying the Hegemon's powers and mannerisms. He did the same with the Demonic Beasts in Constance's paralogue.
One cool theory I remember reading was that Ionius was the one that facilitated the experiments. After he lost his power to the other nobles, he allowed TWSITD to experiment on his children so that the surviving heir will be strong enough to take power back to the emperor and take back the lands (faerghus and Liecester) that once belonged to the empire. He lied to Edelgard about the nobles being the one behind the experiment Wich Edelgard would of course believe. Honestly looking at the evidence I'm surprised it was never revealed that Ionius was evil, considering the pattern of shitty emporer dad's in FE.
I always assumed that the hegemon husk was Edelgard using a crest stone to attempt a dragon transformation despite not being a dragon. She's been granted a facsimile of the progenitor god's power and bears the influence of the blood of the immaculate one. She's also the masterwork device that the Agarthans intend to use to finally purge the world of Sothis's influence, it'd make sense that she'd be given a form that could contest a divine dragon should that be necessary.
I had the feeling there was some building up to a revelation about Duscur and Patricia towards the end of Azure Moon, but there was no pay-off at end AM about this. That was disappointing. It would be cool if we could get a Duscur flashback cutscene in Three Hopes and see Patricia on-screen.
In a byleth/Alois support, it is mentioned that Jeralts crest(crest of serios) lengthens life expectancy, or at least slows down aging. I believe this helps reduce the effects of edelgards rapid-age effect.
@@jkarma3356 oh? I thought that's why her hair is already white- like her body thinks she's 60 when in reality she's only 18(17?) Although I guess she would have wrinkles in that case so idk.
@@noahpokeemon6503 I think it slightly negates the effects of the crest experimentation on her life expectancy enough that it isn't 1-to-1 the same as Lysithea's but definitely is still a factor as to why she's so rapid with her actions in the games, considering it's directly mentioned that part of her lifespan was still stolen away from her in her Edelgard/Lysithea paired ending, it definitely shouldn't be written off. Neither of them are rapidly aging, the white hair is because the experimentation took away the pigments from their hair thus making it white, iirc their crests give them immense strengths in different areas, magic for Lysithea (hence her affinity for magic based classes) and general strength for Edelgard (hence her affinity for heavy armor and high strength growths).
This videos a bit old, but I thought I’d add that maybe Edelgard’s Crest of Seiros helps counteract some of her experimentations effects, along with the more refined process. The Crest of Seiros is known to increase the lifespan and vitality of those who possess it. As for Hegemon Edelgard’s distinct pose, I can’t help but see a stark outline of the Crest of Flames in her posture. Look at how her arms fall, her wings, the armored dress thing.
Whatdo you mean, all this is in byleths head since he is in a coma at the local red canyon hospital. That or its been one Helluva acid trip. Nah but for real man 3H could've and needed more dlc
Ralof (from Skyrim): "Hey, you. You're finally awake, -walked right into that bandit's axe- tripped down the canyon like the rest of us and that green-haired fellow over there."
1. I believe that it's possible that the reason Patricia was safe in the tragedy as well as... Edelgards complicated birth, is that it could be entirely possible that Edelgard was born on command of the usurped Empire to be used for twsitd's experiments. What's-her-face agarthan says that she wanted to see her daughter, but this is highly debatable. Otherwise, she was at least complicit in it. Probably not that interesting tho. Most likely the consorts including her were probably sent off or killed by house vestra to keep the empires reputation doing well 2. It's my personal belief that Edelgard suffers from a low life expectancy too, but less so. It's also notable that Lysithea is much much physically weaker than Edelgard as well all know. It's very possible that their shortened lifespans work differently- Edelgard's body simply succumming immediately once she reaches her old age. Apologies for this, but as someone who's doing genetics and chemistry, there's a reason Males (or people with high testosterone) tend to live shorter and be stronger. This is because they're essentially built to work then die. Not saying anything about sex nor gender, but I believe Edelgard's increased strength and shortened lifespan work like this. She's built to be as strong as possible and then fizzle out once she loses the need to work. Lysithea on the other hand, is frail and sick in a more traditional sense. She's going to get weaker and weaker until she succums to her disease. This would also explain Edelgard's need to reform fodlan so quickly. She feels she has nothing left to live for perhaps, realising that she'll die young. However, something should be noted here. It's entirely possible the line about restoring their lifespan together and the years they lost may of been in reference to something more... symbolic. Edelgard and Lysithea have the shared burden of never getting their childhood years. This is undeniable. Maybe I'm reading too much into this (T̶h̶e̶y̶'r̶e̶ m̶y̶ f̶a̶v̶o̶u̶r̶i̶t̶e̶ s̶h̶i̶p̶) but it's very possible the notion was that they manage to mend the years they lost as children together. However I'd have to look into the JP text. 3. No fucking idea. It looks cool as fuck though. Edelgard is probably one of my favourite fictional characters ever so I'm always glad to learn more about her
In FEW3H descriptions (translation on Serene Forest's twitter), Edelgard's description mainly deals with her "shackles", "curse". Perhaps we'll learn more about her past or TWSITD influence ?
Regarding the connections between Hegemon Edelgard and Arval, I think it’s spot on. If you look at the 1:36 mark of the first Three Hopes trailer Shez takes on facial features similar to Hegemon Edelgard.
Personally, I have a feeling the detail about Edelgard's dead siblings was a late addition to the game's story so it wasnt explored much. Just because 1) for something that seems like it would be so important to Edelgard's backstory, the sibling death is ONLY brought up in those Byleth support conversations, you would think it'd come up more 2) because of Hubert & Edelgard's timeline - he was assigned as her personal retainer when they were children, before the experimentation. It doesn't make a ton of sense why the heir of House Vestra would be sworn to one of the random middle siblings who was not yet the Imperial heir, right? Maybe in early drafts of the game plot Edelgard was an only child but the dead siblings were added later as the writers developed the story, and that's why there is no attention paid to what happened to any of her relatives or Ionius' other consorts. 🤔
To be honest, what makes little sense is that Hubert would be assigned to Edelgard even tho she's the daughter of a concubine. Even if Edelgard was the eldest, she'd not be the heir because her mother was a concubine and thus she'd always be passed up for the throne. It would have made more sense for Edelgard to be the only child, but only if Patricia wasn't a concubine anymore. Because there's really no explanation why Hubert wasn't assigned to the true heir of House Hresvelg instead.
@@sumashu7098 But that's not true. Because Hubert was assigned to Edelgard before she had the crest of flames. And Edelgard wasn't the only sibling with a minor crest of Seiros: she says that a few of her other siblings also had the minor crest of Seiros too.
@@l.n.3372 yeah but w do ot now wich one. i could have been the younger one who got the crest of Seiros allspeculatio thou. I hope the new game give us moe info
This is just a haunch but I think I have an answer of the Hegemon Husk. Since Edelgard has both the crest of Seiros and the Creast of Flames, it's possible that her mutation could be the result of her weapon mutating her body for bearing the incorrect crest while not fully mutating her body for having the correct crest. Lysithia was an experiment that succeeded in bearing two crests through archaic means while Edelgard's was more refined, meaning that it's possible the same mutation could've happened to Lysithia while it took time for it to happen to Edelgard. There are 2 key differences in this idea, the two characters who bear the same crests that Lysithia has, Katherine and Lorenz, have their hero relic on hand through normal gameplay while Edelgard receives Amyr during the 5 year time skip. Given that Thrysis was meant to be used by Lorenz and Katherine always had Thunderbrand equipped, there is no evidence that Lysithia ever had those relics in her possession without the player's interference. The other key difference is on Edelgard's crest of Seiros, the same crest Rhea has. Given that she's not 100% mentally stable and that people who also bore crests from the 10 Elites are descendants who drank their blood, it's plausible for Edelgard to also have similar mental instability when she's under extreme pressure. This could all just be a wild guess but it's something that could explain what happens when someone with 2 crests end up using a relic that's compatible with one crest but not with the other for a certain period of time.
I always thought Edelgard was transformed to a Demonic Beast like Dedue at the end of CF but due to her two crests she retained her consciousness and did not completely transform
I thought that, too. But her not even being a dragon type implies that her transformation did not involve any crest stones. But maybe that dragon type does actually just comes from the Hegemon having a non-dragon-like morphology.
I think it makes sense in Silver Snow as well since Edelgard was Byleth‘s fromer student and she wanted to be killed by him/her, but it makes no sense in Verdant Wind.
@@Frog_24_ Probably because the devs got lazy for VW and reused a lot of cutscenes. Also I love this SS cutscene because of it's tragedy. Edelgard is your former student and that's why her SS reunion and death feel like a gut punch to the player.
@@Frog_24_ Byleth still interacts with all of the students, even if he/she isn't directly teaching their house. So it's still entirely possible that Edelgard could have gotten attached to Byleth, even if Byleth didn't choose to teach the Black Eagles. This happens in Azure Moon too. In the final battle of Azure moon, if you have Byleth fight Edelgard, her portrait looks noticeably sadder than in any other encounter and she says in dialogue that she feels like she grows weak when she faces Byleth. He/She is the person that Edelgard wishes to avoid fighting the most. Given that she seems to grow attached to Byleth no matter the route, her dialogue in Verdent Wind actually does still make sense. It just makes even more sense in Silver Snow.
Less a theory and more question: we know 3H to be inspired by the Three Kingdoms story, but has anyone tried to see how much of the story is in 3H? There could be some sort of hint we can get if we manage to figure out who is loosely based off of which character or something like that. Probably calls for an analysis video if anything substantial is found.
Almost nothing. For one 3K didn’t have slitherers and an Edelgard. My hot take is Dimitri had a similar personality setup like Cao Cao, a righteous person at heart and very susceptible to strong emotions, but sometimes a bloodthirsty violent beast. They also supported/aided the force representing of “the old order” and stayed loyal at surface but did their own things. I’d also argue you’d borrow some ideas from how power struggles and social orders in 3K worked and get the idea that CF isn’t the “revolution” route it was touted as.
i have a theory on the crest thing (i could be wrong about some things so please let me know): as far as im aware lysithea wasnt born with a crest, as the crest of Glouchester belongs to Lorenz's family and the crest of Charon to Catherine's. so it's possible that lysithea was born crestless and given two artificially. while with Edelgard, the crest of Seiros would run in her family and therefore could be born with it naturally, and it was only the crest of Flames that was given to her by TWSITD. therefore lysithea's experiments would effect her much more than edelgard. i could be wrong but this is what i have always thought
Edelgard killed her to earn his trust which mirrors Hubert killing his father. Dimitri tells Edelgard twice he believes she killed her in both Blue Lions and Black Eagles and additionally specifically mentions he always suspected Arundel was behind Duscur. So do the math.
Dimitri only shares his belief with Edelgard, because Gilbert and Rodrigue clearly have not been told by Dimitri he believes this. His close connection to Edelgard is how he figured it out.
@@MrGksarathy Actually she does, she addresses Dimitri's claim she killed her after she kills him. And she doesn't deny it she just blames Thales/Arundel for Dimitri believing it. Hence why she killed her on his orders because Dimitri knows Arundel was behind Duscur as I've elaborated on and still believes she killed her. The only thing up in the air is whether this woman was a "replacement" or not, but from what I've taken from Hapi and Dimitri's conversations and what we know about Edelgard, it's quite possible she did replace the identity of the original woman and Edelgard is half Agarthan. I've played the game and listened to the conversations obsessively and that's the conclusion I've come to.
And Edelgard being half Agarthan also explains why she is chummy with Thales and Kronya. There's no way they'd be subordinate to her if she were fully human. She always calls Thales her "uncle" in all instances, tellingly also after killing Dimitri and she addresses Patricia's death. So I feel they actually are biologically related and Thales was the brother of Patricia.
how about this for a theory, happens down in the chasm during the five year time skip? are we asleep for the whole time like cryofrozen? or are we in stasis?
I believe that Byleth unconsciously activated some hidden power coming from Sothis and entered another dimension in order to protect him/herself. Because Sothis explains that to leave the darkness of Zahras, it takes the power of a god, so it must be possible to do the reverse. It also would explain why nobody was able to find Byleth after the battle. I find it difficult to believe nobody would've searched the valley just around the Monastery, so everyone just assumed Byleth was captured or turned up somewhere else and gave up the search. Then, once the five years passed, Byleth remembered the promise and exited that dimension
@@rockowlgamer631 When I was doing my first playtjorugh of the game, id heard about the timeskip. When i got to the cutscene after killing Kronya i assumed that was the trigger. I think that might have been better than what we got. As weird as it would have been to have someone tell ypu "ohh by the way, edie was tbe flame emperor", i think Byleth accidently timetraveling as they tore their way out of the dark dimension would be cleaner than the games "nabeaten healing coma".
I thought Edelgard hinted or mentioned at some point that the reason she resorted to war was because she wanted to abolish the Crest system and eliminate the oppressive force of the Church *within her own lifetime*, and any other option would have taken too long.
The archaic methods thing is also likely a direct tie to the Agarthans, as their unique weapons, Athame and the Scythe, are described as being made with Archaic techniques, same with another non unique weapon, which I can’t remember the name of atm
Only four weapons use Agarthium as a repair material, The Scythe of Sariel, Aymr, The Arrow of Indra, and the Crescent Sickle that are available to the player are made by the Agarthans.
I do have a speculation If Edel transform into Hedgemon Husk to actually use the full power of her two crests, can Lysithea do the same since she also has two crests ? If yes, will she get the same form as Edel ? Or does the crests inside the person has an effect on the form ?
It is possible but unlikely, given that lysithea was more of a "proof of concept", A prototype. From what I understand, her survival of the procedures showed the agarthans that they could successfully implant two crests into a single host. The procedure was less refined when it was carried out on lysithea, so its more likely that using both crests would just drain what little life she has left. So... Maybe, but it probably wouldn't be the same if she somehow did survive.
The fact that people debate edelgard so much just goes to show how good of a character she is. Even now I run into entire comment sections just arguing about her decisions and relationship with the agarthans
I personally don't like Edelgard(I played Golden Deer first then Crimson Flower), but I will admit she is a good antagonist and a pretty good character.
You're confusing Edelgard's lore with her character, her background is interesting with a lot of room for speculation, but when talking about the way her actual character and decisions are written she is easily the worst in the game
@@daz1543 not really A character making decisions you don't like or don't agree with doesn't make them poorly written. Especially a character who's supposed to be polarizing like Edelgard.
Actually I know that edelgard is having PTSD from the second crest if you didn't mention about it (post traumatic stress disorder) and have been showed that she have it
I feel like Lysithea's lifespan was shortened mainly because of the specific crests she has, not just because of the fact that she has two of them. Having the Crest of Flames seems like it would actually lengthen your life, given that the ability you get from it is HP recovery.
I think its more that a human body physically cannot handle having two crests. I don't think it has anything to do with specific crests. Basically your body is rejecting the second one and it destroys you. Or it could be that the agarthans are dicks and made it so their superpowered dual-crest experiments had short lifespans so that they'd dispose of themselves once they'd fulfilled their purpose.
I would love to see a video about this regarding Sothis and/or Rhea/Serios. I know you did one about is Sothis an alien, but it'd be cool to see if there's more of a connection between Seiros's Immaculate One form and Sothis's potential "true" form. We never really see what Sothis is originally like, but if I had to guess, it's probably something biblical, with multiple heads and features of other creatures. Kind of like how God is described in some parts of the Bible. It would make sense since all of her children have unique forms; no two are exactly alike. An interesting thing to note is that Heroes has an accessory modeled after Fallen Edelgard's wings that states that they are apparently closer to "fish bones" than wings. I don't know if that serves to help or not, if anything it adds further questions, but it's another piece of the puzzle. I've always assumed Hegemon Husk's form was a cross between a demonic beast and a monster, since they're two distinct creatures.
Ummm... I'm confused on the points raised on Edlegards lifespan. It's a big plot point with her that her lifespan is shortened by the crest of Flame experiments. That's why she taking drastic measures in every path; she doesn't have the option of slower diplomatic options. She outright says this to Byleth.
hearing about patricia again got me thinking. Do we know how ANY Mothers look in the base game? thanks to the DLC we at least know what byleths mom looked like in a picture we got at least 4 full models for dads that are also relevant to the story (lonato, rodrigue, lambert and gustave from the top of my head) but are there any moms we can see? Human moms, not like sothis who just kinda "made" the nabateans. So my question is: Are there no real milfs in the game?
As someone who never actually finished Blue Lions, I always assumed Hegemon Edel was an Agarthan experiment that only came into existence through desperation and having just a bit more time to transform than the other routes. Thinking about it now, it might even be her form of Lysithea's shortened life span. Perhaps the end goal of the twin crests was to assume the form of the hegemon when the time comes, and Lys dies from it because she doesn't have the ability to complete the transformation. Edel doesn't transform in the one route where she lives because the crest of flames vanished.
Well, we know from the ending movie of CF that the crest stone for the crest of flames (which is attached to Byleth's heart) is destroyed, but I don't think they say the crest of flames itself (which both Byleth and Edelgard have) are destroyed.
The frist 2 are interesting (mainly the second that I already had in mind myself since it quite imply that the experimentation was that shorten her life but no evidence for Edelgard, but I think her pression to act quickly might be link to it well depending if the characters in that world are suppose to life for 80 years old or if they are more likely to live 30 max any way if they are getting to 30 at most than... I think it fair to say that she could just be quick because of that. But It seem that a 80 years old isn't impossible so may be she just a strongwiled character tho I think environment would make it possible and I think it still odd overall to act so soon I would have guess she would want to plan her action for at less an other 5 years or so putting pawn a bit more or getting more support like sure she got already alot of support and stuff but like she what 18? it unlikely she had alot of time to place her plan into motion well. let say may be she had 8 years at best that talking into account she had the plan at 10 years old and it somewhat unlikely I think. may be at like 13 I would buy it but 10... I think it really onlikely ... so yah any way I think 5 years of prep is kinda low overall tho to be fair there ppl that plan less than that so... may be it just fair for her Overall I just think the shorter life span might be the push she needed to act in the end the final push.
The hegemon looks more like the golems that seiros uses tbh the shape is almost the exact same and it's probably what the anomaly is referencing - the mixture of crest of flames and crest of seiros. If you look up the golems that's almost exactly what their bodies look like. Maybe the golems were once people too. It says ancient technology. It could be the golems were made with Agarthan technically back in the past and seiros crest or blood so when Edlegard assumes the form her crest of flames is the problem. ~
My theory has always been that the Hegemon form was created by Agarthan mages but, after realizing how unstable it is, Thales forbade Edelgard from using it. Then when Arundel dies in AM and Myson seemingly becomes in charge he is more willing to let his mages change her, this would explain why it only happens in AM and not the other routes where Thales lives past Edelgard.
So you think that Hegemon Husk Edelgard is basically a weapon/monster so powerful and unstable that the leader of the Agarthans, Thales, forbade Edelgard to use the form? I mean it makes a certain type of sense, Edelgard does as she is told to prevent the Agarthans finding out that she plans on ending them once she wins the war but when Thales is killed in Derdriu she realizes that the time is now or never to turn the tides of the war and Myson wants to ensure that the Agarthans win so he gives Edelgard permission to use the form only when Dimitri is in the Imperial palace. You see I have thought that it is like that because it takes a lot of time and energy for the form to activate so in AM she has more time to prepare the form because Dimitri takes the time to reclaim the Kingdom capital and saves the Alliance from Thales after Rodrigue sacrificed himself to save him from Fleche killing him out of revenge. Where as in VW and SS they simply invade Enbarr after Merceus is destroyed leaving not as much time for Edelgard to transform into the Hegemon Husk.
*Theory: Gilbert helped bring about the Tragedy of Duscur.* Gilbert seemed pretty close to Patricia and could have participated in setting up part of it so she could return home, because he liked her and felt bad for her situation. It's also suspicious that he was weirdly missing from the royal guard and only arriving late without explanation. It would also explain him so aggressively rejecting the idea she was involved when Rodrigue brought it up, aswell as why he feels like Duscur is all his fault and why he ran away and has this over-guilt. Maybe something along the lines of he helped organized the part of the attack that took her carriage, which was supposed to be non-lethal and he delayed his own squad from joining up with the king so there was a window of opportunity with less guards where they could quickly grab her, but then everybody got killed instead. Whoopsie. There's also a few lines that seem like Gilbert knows a little too much, like speculating about Patricia's motivations "What if she was willing to do anything to return home."
No! Please don't turn Gilbert into a good character! All joking aside, you have some solid points there. Could also give the Slitherers a much more solid scapegoat, implicating not only the Duscurians but a member of the king's inner circle as well.
Your theory is particularly laughable because 3H was written by Japanese writers. They knew the best how the sheer guilt of “not doing enough” was able to overwhelm someone because they lived *that* culture. Making Gilbert actually culpable was only taking the deep cultural relevancy of his character.
She had a plan. Yet no back up plan. No crest families. Ok, but there are still uncrested noble houses that suck. Those slither squad still existed. Almyra attacking the border still exists. Her lifespan is weaker and she didn’t say she had a plan for when she eventually dies. What if the next emperor isn’t as strong minded as her. They can just give in to the main bad guys. Also she did technically get you killed before sothis plot armor saved you. Yes you did jump in the way, but that bandit was hired by her to kill the party. She also reveals herself for no reason during the story, why even take the mystery away. She wasn’t written well enough unfortunately.
Edelgard Stan Logic: 1. Everyone Edelgard or Hubert had wronged was either an inhumane monster or linked with the slitherers 2. Every character I don’t like because I think Japanese ppl are invalid to make commentaries on their own culture is linked with the slitherers. Guess who’s canonically an ally to the slitherers, then?
Like Tiber Septim, she will become one of the Divines... That is, if Fodlan decides to adopt a polytheistic system and drop the monotheistic one. Of course, the time dragon can remain the chief one. Of course, she can. Of course.
Crimson flower is a completely stupid written story in my point of view because doesnt talk about nearly anything thats important to know about edelgard plus edelgard barely in the story and support with byleth tell anything about her crest surgery and yet she want byleth to side with her i cannot bring myself whenever i play fe3h to side with her because i just dont like the whole route
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I got some pretty detailed ones. On the simple side, I think Thales/Arundel killed Patricia less than a week after the Tragedy to prevent her from becoming a liability. I also hc the Almyran Empire to be a fantasy Mongol Empire with all the attendant history of conquest and political culture, though that isn't too much of a stretch. In addition, I think there might be some surviving Nabateans who left after the initial war with the Agarthans, went east, and essentially became the equivalent of Chinese dragon gods.
Also, I believe the Umbral Beast from Cindered Shadows and the Hegemon Husk are related forms/beasts, since both seem to be warped/incomplete versions of Sothis' heteromorphic vessel, given that both forms were achieved in part thanks to her Crest or an item directly related to her.
One sort of theory I've seen is the one regarding the weirdness with Dimitri in Silver Snow. It only occurs in that route, so something is different here. I've seen two major theories on it. The first is that Dimitri is alive and meets with Byleth to basically abdicate the throne and then disappear. The second one is that Dimitri is a ghost that has come to visit Byleth before passing on, and they're only able to see Dimitri because over the course of Silver Snow they are becoming more and more of a "Goddess" or more ingrained with Sothis' power.
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This would make for an amazing video topic if Ghast wanted to use it. I love this scene on SS because it's so random and mysterious. It only happens on SS and it feels very ethereal.
As for my view, I think it was a spirit. And I think Dimitri was implying that he committed suicide post Gronder. He says that he's here to explain himself to Byleth, almost like his spirit feels guilty for giving up and reaching his lowest point. Thus, he's unable to cross over until someone (Byleth) can reassure him and help him to move into the afterlife/etc.
My theory (a rather comedic one about the calendar system) is that Fodlan is actually much smaller than it seems and everything is within a days reach or less.
Seriously, you're telling I can go to Sreng for a tan and take a dive in Lake Teutates and still have time to defend the Almyran border?
@@lorddragonskin3603 Interviews have confirmed that Fódlan is about 2/3 the size of Europe. I think it was Nintendo Dream.
As I see things:
1) They experimented on Hapi and other children to see if they can replicate the methods use by their ancestors to "grand Crests"
2) Using those results, they move to Lysithea and her siblings to experiment how to "put a second Crest" in someone in a efficient way
3) Using those results, they create the Flame Emperor
This would make sense but idk if the timelines add up. We have estimated times for most of these, although I cannot remember them off the top of my head. I think Hapi says when Cornelia caught her, in terms of how many years ago. We also know around when Lysithea was experimented on because it happened after her family aided the Hrym rebellion. And we also know when Edelgard was take by her uncle (then Thales) back from Fhirdiad to Enbarr. If the timelines add up, then this theory could easily have some basis.
Yeah that's pretty much how I see it
@@l.n.3372 How the time line is given in canon.
1167 House Ordelia suffers Imperial intervention after aiding with House Hyrm's failed rebellion, Agarthan mages pretending to be from Adresatia are dispatched and experiment on Lysithea and her siblings leaving her the only surviving child at age 3
1168 Hapi runs away from the hidden village of Timotheos and is captured and experimented upon by "Cornelia" to replicate the same effects her ancestor had at age 9, ends up making her able to both attract monsters when she sighs and deal effective damage against them no matter what attack she uses.
1176 Edelgard and Arundel leave the Kingdom before the Tragedy of Duscur, learning from their experiments with Lysithea they implant Edelgard with The Crest of Flames as the perfect weapon to combat Rhea and the Church of Seiros leaving Edelgard's siblings either dead, sick, or mentally unable to take the throne at age 14. At the same time Hapi escapes from Cornelia and seeks shelter in a church within Faerghus when she is 17.
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You literally said a different canon than OP.
OP said Hapi was tortured first, Lysithea second and Edelgard third. You said Lysithea was first, then Hapi, and Edelgard last.
@@l.n.3372 Because that is what it says in the game, the notes section on the rosters of all characters tell what significant lore relevant events in their lives happened to them on what year prior to their enrollment into the Officer's Academy. This is the time line that the game gives you for when these events took place.
The stuff surrounding Patricia/Anselma is so weird. Besides the fact the mystery more or less goes unresolved in Blue Lions, when looking at the info the game gives you about her, I honestly get the feeling there is a good portion of her story which... kind of goes untold, which lowkey bothers me.
I always thought she was killed not too long after Duscur because she would have been a liability alive.
@@MrGksarathy the problem I have with that is why bother going through the effort of keeping her alive in the first place? It would make more sense to kill her in Duscur with everyone else and would prevent people like Rodrigue from questioning the mysterious circumstances of her going missing.
@@pearsemolloy9656 Fair point. Personally, I think it might have to do with them needing to string her along for a little bit longer after the Tragedy because who knows what she might have done that night if she realized she was to die with everyone else?
There's a reddit post which speculates that the scandal that forced Anselma to leave the Empire was El's Daddy trying to make Anselma his only wife, and the royal concubines stopped that from happening using their political power. If that post is correct, then that is a massive story untold
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Why did Seteth and Flayn lose the ability to turn into Dragons? Silver Snow drops this tidbit then forgets it immediately
An interesting theory that I've heard is that Seteth, at least, sealed his dragon form away and essentially became a manakete (His circlet being his Dragonstone). Flayn may be Saint Cethleann, but she seems pretty young for a dragon and she was apparently so badly injured that she was in a coma for however long it had been since Sothis battled Nemesis, so its possible she simply doesn't have mastery over her shapeshifting abilities. I'm not entirely sure if that's what the devs had in mind, but it's an interesting theory that I personally like.
*Theory: Hubert's father got replaced by a slitherer.* The fact that Hanneman, knowing Hubert's dad from the past, and Hubert's opinion of how him are so different points to that possibility. So far every time when a big personality change happened, like with Monica & Cornelia, that was the case. It would also make alot of sense for the slitherers, who overthrew the emperor, to turn the head of his personal guard into a traitor to make it much easier. It also seems hard to square Hanneman's impression that Hubert's dad was clearly a good guy with him continuing to go along with things like the experiments on Edelgard and her siblings, even if he thought overthrowing the emperor was the right thing to do.
Another, smaller hint might be how quick Hubert is to kill him (assuming that's true), which is unusual. Despite all his talk Hubert isn't actually very quick to assassinate people. He primarily relies on intimidating people by threatening to do so. He gives Byleth 2 warnings and then still doesn't try anything until the war itself and doesn't even kill Duke Aegir either, for example. The only exception to that is the slitherers, which him and Edelgard always kill on sight any time they have a chance, which is also the treatment Hubert's dad got.
Could also explain the Dark Magic connection, considering its been reserved for characters involved in some way with the dubstep cult.
It could also explain why canonically (or at least, mechanically) a Dark Mage certification only gives you Miasma. The Church knows so little about the Slitherers thay they can only reverse engineer their most basic spell for their Officer's Academy curriculum.
Hubert and Hanneman doesn’t share the same opinion of a same person doesn’t indicate that person having a change in personality, it’s more likely than not just, different perspectives, or one of them being somewhat blinded to truth. It’s much more thematically meaningful that Hubert’s father was a genuinely decent person that never got replaced than another tired schtick of “the slitherers steal identities”, the BE trio are just, carefully written foils in the way they see their parent’s “misdeeds”.
And I swear you guys are just trying to make Hubert appear smarter than he really is. His “intelligence” is very much flawed and it’s ok.
I always thought Arundel somehow threatened to kill Hubert, and Hubert's father had a panicked parent moment where he realized he cared more for his son than he did the emperor, thus leading to his actions in the Insurrection. Actions that, incidentally, flew straight in the face of all the indoctrination he had already shoved down Hubert's throat, causing Hubert to resent, and eventually murder him.
@@fyncheniteO I mean to be fair, the Slithers did it to Tomas, Monica, Arundel, and I think Cordelia as well as a couple of others. So it does seem to be their go to thing when they can get away with it, so the theory has both legs to stand on.
@@Heartrose7 it’s *plausible* but ultimately boring and pointless.
Honestly I would believe the hegemon husk being intentionally designed to resemble Sothis' adult form by the Agarthans as if to mock the Nabateans. What greater insult could they put upon Seiros than to put their greatest creation into the bastardized form of her mother?
In terms of her lifespan, it can be returned to her. For example in Linhardt and Lysithea's couple ending, Linhardt finds a way to remove her second crest. In the Edelgard and Lysithea ending, they use a TWSITD device they find while fighting them and get their extra crests removed. So realistically, as long as Lindhardt survives the Black Eagle route, and regardless of romantic affiliations, Lindhardt has the capability of figuring out how to remove crests. I'm sure that as Empress, Edelgard would commission Linhardt to start researching how to save her, and if not her then Byleth or Hubert would certainly.
also she was not dying like lythiesia.
@@jkarma3356 I don't know, with how quick she was to gather an army and go to war to get her changes through, I'd have to think she might have been hiding more serious health concerns so as to not damage morale and get things done. Lysithea was given her late 20s early 30s to live, so maybe Edelgard was actually not that much farther behind her, mid 30s or early 40s maybe?
@@Heartrose7 in her solo ending she seems to live a decently long life.
@@jkarma3356True, however that is thanks to the information of the Lindhardt and Lysithea endings which tell us after the fact that there are ways to remove crest related medical issues in the future if researched enough. and it could be inferred that in her solo she may have still gotten treatment just not directly from Lindhardt or with Lysithea. However I was talking about Pt.1 and Pt.2 where this knowledge is to their knowledge at best a pipe dream.
The most annoying thing about Patricia is the fact that she's never mentioned at all in CF, and only barely mentioned in AM. These are the 2 routes that should have discussed her the most. But she's ignored completely in CF and only vaguely discussed in late game AM with no resolution.
CF doesn't really involve its story with the Tragedy of Duscur, though.
I think it’s because Edelgard wasn’t aware of what happened to her mother after she left the Empire.
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In AM, they explain that Patricia was part of the plan (aka the assassination of the king, prince and their guard) while framing Duscur. And supposedly she did it solely to return to the Empire and be reunited with her daughter (Edelgard). If that is true, and we have no evidence really either way, then it absolutely should have been mentioned in CF as well. Because why does Edelgard never mention her mother returning to the Empire? The tragedy of Duscur happened 4 years before the academy phase. As Ghast explains in the video, Patricia should have turned up by then if she did everything to simply return to the Empire again.
Unless of course it was never Patricia the real person, but an imposter who had killed and replaced her all along, similar to Arundel and Cornelia. Which is probably the more likely explanation. But even so, why is fake Patricia anyway? We see Thales/Arundel and fake Cornelia. But not fake Patricia.
Edelgard killed her when they returned to the empire to earn Thales/Arundel's trust which mirrors Hubert killing his father. Dimitri tells Edelgard twice he believes she killed her in both Blue Lions and Black Eagles and additionally specifically mentions he always suspected Arundel was behind Duscur. So do the math.
Dimitri only shares his belief with Edelgard, because Gilbert and Rodrigue clearly have not been told by Dimitri he believes this. His close connection to Edelgard is how he figured it out.
@@alphblishtarl9374 She was: Edelgard killed her when they returned to the empire to earn Thales/Arundel's trust which mirrors Hubert killing his father. Dimitri tells Edelgard twice he believes she killed her in both Blue Lions and Black Eagles and additionally specifically mentions he always suspected Arundel was behind Duscur. So do the math.
Dimitri only shares his belief with Edelgard, because Gilbert and Rodrigue clearly have not been told by Dimitri he believes this. His close connection to Edelgard is how he figured it out.
Fallen Edelgard's weapon is called Twin Crest Power, and from the way the cutscene in Three Houses was presented I thought Hegemon Husk Edelgard was created by using her crests at full power at the same time to cause a mutation. That much power at once definitely goes against the power system of Fodlan.
As for her lifespan, I definitely agree that it was shortened which was why she was so desperate to change the system of Fodlan extremely fast herself before she died from a short life. Either she brings about her change herself or hopes that whoever stops her proves strong enough to bring a similar change themselves.
As for Edelgard's mother whether her body was found or not I've always believed she got caught up in the Tragedy of Duscar and was killed in the chaos anyway. Just because her body was never found doesn't mean she couldn't have been killed just like every other poor soul in the Tragedy.
These are my interpretations of these mysteries:
1: Lady Anselma is probably dead. After she created the Tragedy of Duscur alongside Cornelia, it is very unlikely Those Who Slither would let her live. She simply knew too much. In my mind, Anselma ran to a designated safe point during the Tragedy, where she was met with a smirking Cornelia, who then revealed her Agarthan form and killed the queen.
2: I don't know how many years Edelgard had left, and maybe she didn't either. That would certainly be a big motivator in her schemes. In my mind, Edelgard wouldn't survive beyond her 30's.
3: I always believed the Hegemon Husk was an invention of Those Who Slither. Some sort of magical spell or artifact that triggered a transformation in Edelgard. It was likely TWSITD's final trump card to destroy the surface dwellers. Myson is also there on the same map, likely studying the Hegemon's powers and mannerisms. He did the same with the Demonic Beasts in Constance's paralogue.
in edelgard epilouge she seems to live a long and good life.
One cool theory I remember reading was that Ionius was the one that facilitated the experiments.
After he lost his power to the other nobles, he allowed TWSITD to experiment on his children so that the surviving heir will be strong enough to take power back to the emperor and take back the lands (faerghus and Liecester) that once belonged to the empire. He lied to Edelgard about the nobles being the one behind the experiment Wich Edelgard would of course believe.
Honestly looking at the evidence I'm surprised it was never revealed that Ionius was evil, considering the pattern of shitty emporer dad's in FE.
This petite war machine of a woman has definitely left her mark on the franchise, and yet, there are still so many questions to answer...
I always assumed that the hegemon husk was Edelgard using a crest stone to attempt a dragon transformation despite not being a dragon. She's been granted a facsimile of the progenitor god's power and bears the influence of the blood of the immaculate one. She's also the masterwork device that the Agarthans intend to use to finally purge the world of Sothis's influence, it'd make sense that she'd be given a form that could contest a divine dragon should that be necessary.
I had the feeling there was some building up to a revelation about Duscur and Patricia towards the end of Azure Moon, but there was no pay-off at end AM about this. That was disappointing.
It would be cool if we could get a Duscur flashback cutscene in Three Hopes and see Patricia on-screen.
In a byleth/Alois support, it is mentioned that Jeralts crest(crest of serios) lengthens life expectancy, or at least slows down aging. I believe this helps reduce the effects of edelgards rapid-age effect.
she was not rapidly ageing either.
@@jkarma3356 oh? I thought that's why her hair is already white- like her body thinks she's 60 when in reality she's only 18(17?)
Although I guess she would have wrinkles in that case so idk.
@@noahpokeemon6503 no its the experimantation same with lythisea also she is able to fight very well in armour and uses an ax so she is good.
@@jkarma3356 fair point.
@@noahpokeemon6503 I think it slightly negates the effects of the crest experimentation on her life expectancy enough that it isn't 1-to-1 the same as Lysithea's but definitely is still a factor as to why she's so rapid with her actions in the games, considering it's directly mentioned that part of her lifespan was still stolen away from her in her Edelgard/Lysithea paired ending, it definitely shouldn't be written off.
Neither of them are rapidly aging, the white hair is because the experimentation took away the pigments from their hair thus making it white, iirc their crests give them immense strengths in different areas, magic for Lysithea (hence her affinity for magic based classes) and general strength for Edelgard (hence her affinity for heavy armor and high strength growths).
How did it take me this long to notice Hegemon Edelgard is wearing high heels
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This videos a bit old, but I thought I’d add that maybe Edelgard’s Crest of Seiros helps counteract some of her experimentations effects, along with the more refined process. The Crest of Seiros is known to increase the lifespan and vitality of those who possess it.
As for Hegemon Edelgard’s distinct pose, I can’t help but see a stark outline of the Crest of Flames in her posture. Look at how her arms fall, her wings, the armored dress thing.
Whatdo you mean, all this is in byleths head since he is in a coma at the local red canyon hospital. That or its been one Helluva acid trip.
Nah but for real man 3H could've and needed more dlc
Ralof (from Skyrim): "Hey, you. You're finally awake, -walked right into that bandit's axe- tripped down the canyon like the rest of us and that green-haired fellow over there."
1. I believe that it's possible that the reason Patricia was safe in the tragedy as well as... Edelgards complicated birth, is that it could be entirely possible that Edelgard was born on command of the usurped Empire to be used for twsitd's experiments. What's-her-face agarthan says that she wanted to see her daughter, but this is highly debatable.
Otherwise, she was at least complicit in it.
Probably not that interesting tho. Most likely the consorts including her were probably sent off or killed by house vestra to keep the empires reputation doing well
2. It's my personal belief that Edelgard suffers from a low life expectancy too, but less so. It's also notable that Lysithea is much much physically weaker than Edelgard as well all know. It's very possible that their shortened lifespans work differently- Edelgard's body simply succumming immediately once she reaches her old age.
Apologies for this, but as someone who's doing genetics and chemistry, there's a reason Males (or people with high testosterone) tend to live shorter and be stronger. This is because they're essentially built to work then die.
Not saying anything about sex nor gender, but I believe Edelgard's increased strength and shortened lifespan work like this. She's built to be as strong as possible and then fizzle out once she loses the need to work.
Lysithea on the other hand, is frail and sick in a more traditional sense. She's going to get weaker and weaker until she succums to her disease.
This would also explain Edelgard's need to reform fodlan so quickly. She feels she has nothing left to live for perhaps, realising that she'll die young.
However, something should be noted here. It's entirely possible the line about restoring their lifespan together and the years they lost may of been in reference to something more... symbolic. Edelgard and Lysithea have the shared burden of never getting their childhood years. This is undeniable. Maybe I'm reading too much into this (T̶h̶e̶y̶'r̶e̶ m̶y̶ f̶a̶v̶o̶u̶r̶i̶t̶e̶ s̶h̶i̶p̶) but it's very possible the notion was that they manage to mend the years they lost as children together. However I'd have to look into the JP text.
3. No fucking idea. It looks cool as fuck though.
Edelgard is probably one of my favourite fictional characters ever so I'm always glad to learn more about her
In FEW3H descriptions (translation on Serene Forest's twitter), Edelgard's description mainly deals with her "shackles", "curse". Perhaps we'll learn more about her past or TWSITD influence ?
Regarding the connections between Hegemon Edelgard and Arval, I think it’s spot on. If you look at the 1:36 mark of the first Three Hopes trailer Shez takes on facial features similar to Hegemon Edelgard.
Maybe Anselma will make an appearance in Three Hopes and we might get some more clarification regarding her involvement in the tragedy.
Personally, I have a feeling the detail about Edelgard's dead siblings was a late addition to the game's story so it wasnt explored much. Just because 1) for something that seems like it would be so important to Edelgard's backstory, the sibling death is ONLY brought up in those Byleth support conversations, you would think it'd come up more 2) because of Hubert & Edelgard's timeline - he was assigned as her personal retainer when they were children, before the experimentation. It doesn't make a ton of sense why the heir of House Vestra would be sworn to one of the random middle siblings who was not yet the Imperial heir, right? Maybe in early drafts of the game plot Edelgard was an only child but the dead siblings were added later as the writers developed the story, and that's why there is no attention paid to what happened to any of her relatives or Ionius' other consorts. 🤔
To be honest, what makes little sense is that Hubert would be assigned to Edelgard even tho she's the daughter of a concubine. Even if Edelgard was the eldest, she'd not be the heir because her mother was a concubine and thus she'd always be passed up for the throne. It would have made more sense for Edelgard to be the only child, but only if Patricia wasn't a concubine anymore. Because there's really no explanation why Hubert wasn't assigned to the true heir of House Hresvelg instead.
@@l.n.3372 the answer is her crest
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But that's not true. Because Hubert was assigned to Edelgard before she had the crest of flames. And Edelgard wasn't the only sibling with a minor crest of Seiros: she says that a few of her other siblings also had the minor crest of Seiros too.
@@l.n.3372 yeah but w do ot now wich one. i could have been the younger one who got the crest of Seiros
allspeculatio thou. I hope the new game give us moe info
Who's to say Hubert doesn't have an older cousin who was assigned to the heir before he was born
This is just a haunch but I think I have an answer of the Hegemon Husk. Since Edelgard has both the crest of Seiros and the Creast of Flames, it's possible that her mutation could be the result of her weapon mutating her body for bearing the incorrect crest while not fully mutating her body for having the correct crest. Lysithia was an experiment that succeeded in bearing two crests through archaic means while Edelgard's was more refined, meaning that it's possible the same mutation could've happened to Lysithia while it took time for it to happen to Edelgard. There are 2 key differences in this idea, the two characters who bear the same crests that Lysithia has, Katherine and Lorenz, have their hero relic on hand through normal gameplay while Edelgard receives Amyr during the 5 year time skip. Given that Thrysis was meant to be used by Lorenz and Katherine always had Thunderbrand equipped, there is no evidence that Lysithia ever had those relics in her possession without the player's interference. The other key difference is on Edelgard's crest of Seiros, the same crest Rhea has. Given that she's not 100% mentally stable and that people who also bore crests from the 10 Elites are descendants who drank their blood, it's plausible for Edelgard to also have similar mental instability when she's under extreme pressure. This could all just be a wild guess but it's something that could explain what happens when someone with 2 crests end up using a relic that's compatible with one crest but not with the other for a certain period of time.
I always thought Edelgard was transformed to a Demonic Beast like Dedue at the end of CF but due to her two crests she retained her consciousness and did not completely transform
I thought that, too. But her not even being a dragon type implies that her transformation did not involve any crest stones.
But maybe that dragon type does actually just comes from the Hegemon having a non-dragon-like morphology.
I think it's really sad that Byleth kills Edelgard. The Dmitri one made sense, but the Byleth one just felt cruel.
I think it makes sense in Silver Snow as well since Edelgard was Byleth‘s fromer student and she wanted to be killed by him/her, but it makes no sense in Verdant Wind.
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Probably because the devs got lazy for VW and reused a lot of cutscenes. Also I love this SS cutscene because of it's tragedy. Edelgard is your former student and that's why her SS reunion and death feel like a gut punch to the player.
@@Frog_24_ They should’ve reworded the cutscene for Verdant Wind
@@Frog_24_ Byleth still interacts with all of the students, even if he/she isn't directly teaching their house. So it's still entirely possible that Edelgard could have gotten attached to Byleth, even if Byleth didn't choose to teach the Black Eagles. This happens in Azure Moon too. In the final battle of Azure moon, if you have Byleth fight Edelgard, her portrait looks noticeably sadder than in any other encounter and she says in dialogue that she feels like she grows weak when she faces Byleth. He/She is the person that Edelgard wishes to avoid fighting the most. Given that she seems to grow attached to Byleth no matter the route, her dialogue in Verdent Wind actually does still make sense. It just makes even more sense in Silver Snow.
Less a theory and more question: we know 3H to be inspired by the Three Kingdoms story, but has anyone tried to see how much of the story is in 3H? There could be some sort of hint we can get if we manage to figure out who is loosely based off of which character or something like that. Probably calls for an analysis video if anything substantial is found.
All of the routes are not canon
Almost nothing. For one 3K didn’t have slitherers and an Edelgard. My hot take is Dimitri had a similar personality setup like Cao Cao, a righteous person at heart and very susceptible to strong emotions, but sometimes a bloodthirsty violent beast. They also supported/aided the force representing of “the old order” and stayed loyal at surface but did their own things.
I’d also argue you’d borrow some ideas from how power struggles and social orders in 3K worked and get the idea that CF isn’t the “revolution” route it was touted as.
i have a theory on the crest thing (i could be wrong about some things so please let me know): as far as im aware lysithea wasnt born with a crest, as the crest of Glouchester belongs to Lorenz's family and the crest of Charon to Catherine's. so it's possible that lysithea was born crestless and given two artificially. while with Edelgard, the crest of Seiros would run in her family and therefore could be born with it naturally, and it was only the crest of Flames that was given to her by TWSITD. therefore lysithea's experiments would effect her much more than edelgard. i could be wrong but this is what i have always thought
Morbid curiosity brought me to this comment section, and at the moment I'm pleasantly surprised.
Theory: Dimitri is actually Inosuke, but he breaks lances instead of chipping swords.
Personally, I hc that Thales/Arundel killed Patricia separately after the Tragedy because she would have been a liability if left alive.
@UCXyupT7s9Zwhc8HAruNS8bg They weren't even in the same location at the time, not does El ever refer to even knowing what's up with her mom.
Edelgard killed her to earn his trust which mirrors Hubert killing his father. Dimitri tells Edelgard twice he believes she killed her in both Blue Lions and Black Eagles and additionally specifically mentions he always suspected Arundel was behind Duscur. So do the math.
Dimitri only shares his belief with Edelgard, because Gilbert and Rodrigue clearly have not been told by Dimitri he believes this. His close connection to Edelgard is how he figured it out.
@@MrGksarathy Actually she does, she addresses Dimitri's claim she killed her after she kills him. And she doesn't deny it she just blames Thales/Arundel for Dimitri believing it. Hence why she killed her on his orders because Dimitri knows Arundel was behind Duscur as I've elaborated on and still believes she killed her. The only thing up in the air is whether this woman was a "replacement" or not, but from what I've taken from Hapi and Dimitri's conversations and what we know about Edelgard, it's quite possible she did replace the identity of the original woman and Edelgard is half Agarthan. I've played the game and listened to the conversations obsessively and that's the conclusion I've come to.
And Edelgard being half Agarthan also explains why she is chummy with Thales and Kronya. There's no way they'd be subordinate to her if she were fully human. She always calls Thales her "uncle" in all instances, tellingly also after killing Dimitri and she addresses Patricia's death. So I feel they actually are biologically related and Thales was the brother of Patricia.
the lifespan thing is basically just a "we think you will probably die young" thing
how about this for a theory, happens down in the chasm during the five year time skip? are we asleep for the whole time like cryofrozen? or are we in stasis?
I believe that Byleth unconsciously activated some hidden power coming from Sothis and entered another dimension in order to protect him/herself. Because Sothis explains that to leave the darkness of Zahras, it takes the power of a god, so it must be possible to do the reverse. It also would explain why nobody was able to find Byleth after the battle. I find it difficult to believe nobody would've searched the valley just around the Monastery, so everyone just assumed Byleth was captured or turned up somewhere else and gave up the search. Then, once the five years passed, Byleth remembered the promise and exited that dimension
@@gabrielazolini6069 maybe, though I will say its the laziest way to activate the timeskip
@@rockowlgamer631 When I was doing my first playtjorugh of the game, id heard about the timeskip. When i got to the cutscene after killing Kronya i assumed that was the trigger. I think that might have been better than what we got. As weird as it would have been to have someone tell ypu "ohh by the way, edie was tbe flame emperor", i think Byleth accidently timetraveling as they tore their way out of the dark dimension would be cleaner than the games "nabeaten healing coma".
@@ianmckee4726 indeed
I thought Edelgard hinted or mentioned at some point that the reason she resorted to war was because she wanted to abolish the Crest system and eliminate the oppressive force of the Church *within her own lifetime*, and any other option would have taken too long.
yeah pretty much that
Awesome to see a notification for Faerghast video 😁
The archaic methods thing is also likely a direct tie to the Agarthans, as their unique weapons, Athame and the Scythe, are described as being made with Archaic techniques, same with another non unique weapon, which I can’t remember the name of atm
Only four weapons use Agarthium as a repair material, The Scythe of Sariel, Aymr, The Arrow of Indra, and the Crescent Sickle that are available to the player are made by the Agarthans.
@@johnathanedwards9054 I wasn’t talking strictly about weapons player can use. Just in general
2:54 abducted? Maybe it's an easter egg for FE on mars😨
Patricia is one of the characters who should've had more information...
The lore is so deep in Three Houses but there are just so many loose ends!
I do have a speculation
If Edel transform into Hedgemon Husk to actually use the full power of her two crests, can Lysithea do the same since she also has two crests ? If yes, will she get the same form as Edel ? Or does the crests inside the person has an effect on the form ?
It is possible but unlikely, given that lysithea was more of a "proof of concept", A prototype. From what I understand, her survival of the procedures showed the agarthans that they could successfully implant two crests into a single host. The procedure was less refined when it was carried out on lysithea, so its more likely that using both crests would just drain what little life she has left. So... Maybe, but it probably wouldn't be the same if she somehow did survive.
Hell of a thumbnail dude lol
The fact that people debate edelgard so much just goes to show how good of a character she is. Even now I run into entire comment sections just arguing about her decisions and relationship with the agarthans
You and me both.
I personally don't like Edelgard(I played Golden Deer first then Crimson Flower), but I will admit she is a good antagonist and a pretty good character.
You're confusing Edelgard's lore with her character, her background is interesting with a lot of room for speculation, but when talking about the way her actual character and decisions are written she is easily the worst in the game
@@daz1543 not really
A character making decisions you don't like or don't agree with doesn't make them poorly written. Especially a character who's supposed to be polarizing like Edelgard.
I agree. While I'm not a fan of the type of government she wants, I did think she is very well written and compelling.
I want a serious conversation between Edelgard and DUMA ( ECHOES OF VALENTIA) ON FEH
Duma: So I heard you had a conversation with my sister. I was wondering when you would speak to me.
F!Edel: *screeches in Hegemon Husk*
Actually I know that edelgard is having PTSD from the second crest if you didn't mention about it (post traumatic stress disorder) and have been showed that she have it
It’s mostly a headcanon that never got officially confirmed anywhere.
I feel like Lysithea's lifespan was shortened mainly because of the specific crests she has, not just because of the fact that she has two of them. Having the Crest of Flames seems like it would actually lengthen your life, given that the ability you get from it is HP recovery.
I think its more that a human body physically cannot handle having two crests. I don't think it has anything to do with specific crests. Basically your body is rejecting the second one and it destroys you. Or it could be that the agarthans are dicks and made it so their superpowered dual-crest experiments had short lifespans so that they'd dispose of themselves once they'd fulfilled their purpose.
1:11 Maybe we will learn more about it on Fire Emblem Warriors Three Hopes so yeah.
I was honestly a bit disappointed we didn’t get to fight Hegemon Edelgard in Three Hopes. We saw it in one cutscene and she reverted back afterwards.
I would love to see a video about this regarding Sothis and/or Rhea/Serios. I know you did one about is Sothis an alien, but it'd be cool to see if there's more of a connection between Seiros's Immaculate One form and Sothis's potential "true" form. We never really see what Sothis is originally like, but if I had to guess, it's probably something biblical, with multiple heads and features of other creatures. Kind of like how God is described in some parts of the Bible. It would make sense since all of her children have unique forms; no two are exactly alike. An interesting thing to note is that Heroes has an accessory modeled after Fallen Edelgard's wings that states that they are apparently closer to "fish bones" than wings. I don't know if that serves to help or not, if anything it adds further questions, but it's another piece of the puzzle.
I've always assumed Hegemon Husk's form was a cross between a demonic beast and a monster, since they're two distinct creatures.
Talking about Edelgard will create another controversy and war between FE FAN
Ummm... I'm confused on the points raised on Edlegards lifespan. It's a big plot point with her that her lifespan is shortened by the crest of Flame experiments. That's why she taking drastic measures in every path; she doesn't have the option of slower diplomatic options.
She outright says this to Byleth.
Gets the Lysithea and Hannamen ending to give Edelgard a normal lifespan
hearing about patricia again got me thinking. Do we know how ANY Mothers look in the base game?
thanks to the DLC we at least know what byleths mom looked like in a picture
we got at least 4 full models for dads that are also relevant to the story (lonato, rodrigue, lambert and gustave from the top of my head) but are there any moms we can see? Human moms, not like sothis who just kinda "made" the nabateans.
So my question is: Are there no real milfs in the game?
Good thing 3 hopes gave us at least a few answers to some questions.
Absolutely insane thumbnail
The thumbnail's question is something only the boar would have an answer to
As someone who never actually finished Blue Lions, I always assumed Hegemon Edel was an Agarthan experiment that only came into existence through desperation and having just a bit more time to transform than the other routes.
Thinking about it now, it might even be her form of Lysithea's shortened life span. Perhaps the end goal of the twin crests was to assume the form of the hegemon when the time comes, and Lys dies from it because she doesn't have the ability to complete the transformation. Edel doesn't transform in the one route where she lives because the crest of flames vanished.
Well, we know from the ending movie of CF that the crest stone for the crest of flames (which is attached to Byleth's heart) is destroyed, but I don't think they say the crest of flames itself (which both Byleth and Edelgard have) are destroyed.
That does kind of make sense of why it doesn’t appear in VW, because it takes longer for the Player to get to edelgard in AM than VW.
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I also imagine this to be the reason why Embarr did get evacuated in AM.
The frist 2 are interesting (mainly the second that I already had in mind myself since it quite imply that the experimentation was that shorten her life but no evidence for Edelgard, but I think her pression to act quickly might be link to it well depending if the characters in that world are suppose to life for 80 years old or if they are more likely to live 30 max any way if they are getting to 30 at most than... I think it fair to say that she could just be quick because of that. But It seem that a 80 years old isn't impossible so may be she just a strongwiled character tho I think environment would make it possible and I think it still odd overall to act so soon I would have guess she would want to plan her action for at less an other 5 years or so putting pawn a bit more or getting more support like sure she got already alot of support and stuff but like she what 18? it unlikely she had alot of time to place her plan into motion well. let say may be she had 8 years at best that talking into account she had the plan at 10 years old and it somewhat unlikely I think. may be at like 13 I would buy it but 10... I think it really onlikely ... so yah any way I think 5 years of prep is kinda low overall tho to be fair there ppl that plan less than that so... may be it just fair for her
Overall I just think the shorter life span might be the push she needed to act in the end the final push.
And I thought this was about 3Hopes... Curse you, ghast.
The hegemon looks more like the golems that seiros uses tbh the shape is almost the exact same and it's probably what the anomaly is referencing - the mixture of crest of flames and crest of seiros. If you look up the golems that's almost exactly what their bodies look like. Maybe the golems were once people too. It says ancient technology. It could be the golems were made with Agarthan technically back in the past and seiros crest or blood so when Edlegard assumes the form her crest of flames is the problem. ~
Adreadbhr would have something to say about edelgard's lifespan.
(8:47) Maybe Edelgard was trying to become a Laguz.
My theory has always been that the Hegemon form was created by Agarthan mages but, after realizing how unstable it is, Thales forbade Edelgard from using it. Then when Arundel dies in AM and Myson seemingly becomes in charge he is more willing to let his mages change her, this would explain why it only happens in AM and not the other routes where Thales lives past Edelgard.
So you think that Hegemon Husk Edelgard is basically a weapon/monster so powerful and unstable that the leader of the Agarthans, Thales, forbade Edelgard to use the form? I mean it makes a certain type of sense, Edelgard does as she is told to prevent the Agarthans finding out that she plans on ending them once she wins the war but when Thales is killed in Derdriu she realizes that the time is now or never to turn the tides of the war and Myson wants to ensure that the Agarthans win so he gives Edelgard permission to use the form only when Dimitri is in the Imperial palace. You see I have thought that it is like that because it takes a lot of time and energy for the form to activate so in AM she has more time to prepare the form because Dimitri takes the time to reclaim the Kingdom capital and saves the Alliance from Thales after Rodrigue sacrificed himself to save him from Fleche killing him out of revenge. Where as in VW and SS they simply invade Enbarr after Merceus is destroyed leaving not as much time for Edelgard to transform into the Hegemon Husk.
3 hopes finally tells us what happened to Patricia in the end and it's actually kind of tragic but also deserved. Not gonna spoil but yeah...
*Theory: Gilbert helped bring about the Tragedy of Duscur.* Gilbert seemed pretty close to Patricia and could have participated in setting up part of it so she could return home, because he liked her and felt bad for her situation. It's also suspicious that he was weirdly missing from the royal guard and only arriving late without explanation. It would also explain him so aggressively rejecting the idea she was involved when Rodrigue brought it up, aswell as why he feels like Duscur is all his fault and why he ran away and has this over-guilt. Maybe something along the lines of he helped organized the part of the attack that took her carriage, which was supposed to be non-lethal and he delayed his own squad from joining up with the king so there was a window of opportunity with less guards where they could quickly grab her, but then everybody got killed instead. Whoopsie.
There's also a few lines that seem like Gilbert knows a little too much, like speculating about Patricia's motivations "What if she was willing to do anything to return home."
No! Please don't turn Gilbert into a good character!
All joking aside, you have some solid points there. Could also give the Slitherers a much more solid scapegoat, implicating not only the Duscurians but a member of the king's inner circle as well.
Your theory is particularly laughable because 3H was written by Japanese writers. They knew the best how the sheer guilt of “not doing enough” was able to overwhelm someone because they lived *that* culture. Making Gilbert actually culpable was only taking the deep cultural relevancy of his character.
Hegemon Edelgard is just an evangelion reference
this was interesting but for me i am more looking forwards to see what Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes has instore
you need to update this with three hopes lore
Are you still making that FE4 video? x:
hopefully today
normally I would make a r/technically the truth joke and say when her heart stopps beating but byleth literally doesn't have heart beat so..
what sword is in that footage of edlgaurd on the end of the video
Does Three Hopes help this stuff af all?
which is canon, her getting killed or her surviving.
none.
Both. It all just depends on which route the player chooses. No single route in the game takes priority over any of the other routes.
Ionius wifes are in his secret basement. How else was he able to make 11 kids? I can't inagine him beeing a FE prince in his past;)
pngs don't die but we all die.
All PNGs could die by a geomagnetic storm🤔🤓
The sooner the better.
nope she is aamzing i support her.
ever since the dimitri and hapi support. TWSITD are just making problems worse
why is Divine Pulse just a constant plothole
Jeez, bit of a clickbait thumbnail there.
Cool
She had a plan. Yet no back up plan. No crest families. Ok, but there are still uncrested noble houses that suck. Those slither squad still existed. Almyra attacking the border still exists. Her lifespan is weaker and she didn’t say she had a plan for when she eventually dies. What if the next emperor isn’t as strong minded as her. They can just give in to the main bad guys. Also she did technically get you killed before sothis plot armor saved you. Yes you did jump in the way, but that bandit was hired by her to kill the party. She also reveals herself for no reason during the story, why even take the mystery away. She wasn’t written well enough unfortunately.
wrong on most accounts she was noy actually dying and the almyrans attacking is because of claude.
It's more likely that she dies in Canon if I have to say the all the ones that's most likely going to be Cannon I have to say golden deer
there is no canon first off and she is alive and well in her own route.
You're thinking about this all wrong. There is no canon route. There are just four different possibilities, all of which are equally valid.
@@DevilHunter1994 truth.
Edelgard Stan Logic: 1. Everyone Edelgard or Hubert had wronged was either an inhumane monster or linked with the slitherers 2. Every character I don’t like because I think Japanese ppl are invalid to make commentaries on their own culture is linked with the slitherers.
Guess who’s canonically an ally to the slitherers, then?
she is not an ally to the slithers.
D:
Damn im early
Easy. Never, she will forever live in song.
Dorothea I think makes sure of it
Like Tiber Septim, she will become one of the Divines... That is, if Fodlan decides to adopt a polytheistic system and drop the monotheistic one. Of course, the time dragon can remain the chief one. Of course, she can. Of course.
Crimson flower is a completely stupid written story in my point of view because doesnt talk about nearly anything thats important to know about edelgard plus edelgard barely in the story and support with byleth tell anything about her crest surgery and yet she want byleth to side with her i cannot bring myself whenever i play fe3h to side with her because i just dont like the whole route
you did not play the route or pay attention it covers all those things espeicallly in the supports.