It’s not about one player. It’s about the team. I hate it when people say stuff like that. It’s a team sport, you’re not gonna lose because of one player.
@@jaatynytenkeli pretty much. Well, they don’t suck. That’s not the right word. They’re good in the regular season, but always lose in the playoffs. So I’d call them chokers, not suckers.
I'd take Barkov. He started seriously developing strength about three years ago, and dared to start using it in earnest in last year's playoffs. He goes through the middle like a moose and is strong like a bear in the corners. He has a great ability to keep the puck in his possession even if it bounces off the stick to the equipment or even to his head. He just moves to the goal and knocks the puck in or passes exactly where he needs to. Also, scraping the puck from behind from the attacker creates situations for the team like the quarterback's throw in American football.
@@carbb5760 lol no he’s not. He shut down the best players in the league during the Cats playoff runs. Kept the Oilers top line to 0 or 1 point for 4 games during the SCF. He’s the best all around player in the league
@@Hockey7234 amazing playoff run and has captained one of the better teams in the league over the past 3 seasons he’s just not better than mcdavid. The panthers as a group were very stingy and get great goaltending. It’s not a knock on Barkov at all, mcdavid is just better than everyone else
@@carbb5760 One of the better teams the past 3 seasons thanks to barkov. His development correlates straighty with the panthers success. Barkov and ekblad are the only core players that have stayed on the team ever since they ended their playoff drought. Then again edmontons had "the best two players on the world" for half a decade and they made it to the finals for the first time through a boy scout route. Depleted stars were their only real threat when panthers went through mordor and became champs. But yeah, to me a good player is about competence and results. Talent is another thing which mcdavid and matthews definitely got shitloads of. But does it matter how high your ceiling is if someone doesnt let you leave the floor?
@@Raumance Do you know what a “selke finalist” is? Matthew’s is one of the best defensive forwards in the league on top of scoring 60+ goals a season. Saying Matthew’s is one dimensional proves you’re a casual lol
So using ur logic is gustav forsling better then Quinn Hughes and Roman Josi? He has a cup whereas those two “just put up stats”. Also, is Sam Bennett better then Tim stutzle. Cup winner vs “Stat stuffer”. Cup isn’t won by 1 player
Both are fantastic! Too many people forget that hockey is a team game, and no one player will win you the cup. Thats a real brainrot take. And lets be honest, this last years panthers team was an absolute unit. When a guy like Verhaeghe is your 6th best foreward, you know your team fecks! Bob was otherworldly till the 3 game skid, probably the best goaltending in a playoffs ive seen seen binnington with stl back in 2019. And that defense was nuts as well. And as a jets fan pomo is the most underrated coach in the league. It still amazes me how much he got out of the jets after they basically tuned him out.
I dont think that was his take. And I’m saying that totally agreeing with all your points as a cats fan. Matthews has more sheer talent, but Barkey is the better hockey player because his style of play elevates those around him.
@gTuya11 oh it wasn't my intent to say it was. His take was quite balanced. Lot's of fans. However, it seems they don't even know line changes happen. It's like they think their guy plays 60 minutes a night and is the only reason their team gets a win 🤣🤣🤣 It's like they think it's a slight against the other team, but in reality it's just showing they know very little about the sport, and it makes very good players go underappreciated. Players like Forsling, who imo was your most consistent player all playoffs. Or players like Bennett, who's always had a knack for being clutch and always playing a strong balanced chippy game.
Barkov first and then, Barkov again. Matthews is a great goal scorer but Barkov is a playmaker. For every goal that Matthews scores Barkov is involved in 2 goals plus prevents 2 more from being scored.
You give a great balanced analysis. Thought i’ve never played hockey, I’m a huge FL cats fan. Somethings I’d like to point out here. 1. I would in no way call Barkov a power forward. He has never fought, does not have a net front presence, and his role in the forecheck is more about stick lifting than hitting. Barkov is a defensive center who’s high stick handling level, puck distribution, and penalty ability has shifted his style to be more like a two way center. Barkovs hits and physicality only emerged under Paul Maurice. I dont mean this comment to sound like a dismissive correction to the Power Forward point either. This is a good thing for young players to think about. Barkov’s number of hits has grown EXPONENTIALLY in the past two years. This point is important because I believe it shows how his balanced play-style has allowed for his game to evolve as he has improved. Young hockey players can really learn from watching how he has developed in his time in the NHL. If you play with solid fundamentals and dont forgo your defensive responsibilities for more scoring chances there is more room for you to always improve on the “little things” and coaches LOVE players who can commit themselves in that way. More players will try to play like Matthews, but dont have his sheer talent. Barkovs style of game is more achievable because it is more about work rate and attention to detail. 2. Barkovs game raises both the floor and ceiling or all the players around him. His play allows other players to take risks and not have their team lose because of those mistakes, while also knowing how and when to feed them the puck. While I believe Matthews only raises the Ceiling for players around him, not the floor. I think this is a key reason Leaf fans get so frustrated, when they are clicking, the talent on that team is good enough to win a cup. But your team wont always be firing at their ceiling, sometimes you need players who can will their team to win when they are at their worst. Barkov does that.
I’m a panthers fan so you already know my answer but if I’m asking other NHL fans I would say do you want a cup or regular season records. Lmk. Barkov is better
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@@conscious_hockey how does he get so many chances? What is it that he does where he's almost generating offence. He seems to always have a lot of speed with the puck too.
@@conscious_hockey His stickhandling deception and playmaking since those are things I can emulate. (I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to skate like him sadly 😔).
Matheson is top 3 in the league right now. He's the best sniper since Brett Hull and OV. Probably better defensively than either and a better overall play maker. I'm not a leafs fan just surprised that people can't appreciate his obviously elite talent.
matthew probably a little better.. but this is a silly question. in playoffs best players are gritty ones since the ref will let shit go. (I don´t deem any of these as dirty esp not mathews.)
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You missed Barkov's #1 strategy: do anything it takes to win.
If you want to win a cup , then your answer is Barkov. With Matthews first round exists every year
It’s not about one player. It’s about the team. I hate it when people say stuff like that. It’s a team sport, you’re not gonna lose because of one player.
@@JB0i so the leafs just suck then?
@@jaatynytenkeli pretty much. Well, they don’t suck. That’s not the right word. They’re good in the regular season, but always lose in the playoffs. So I’d call them chokers, not suckers.
Barkov has the same number of Stanley Cup victories as Matthews has for playoff series victories (1).
Even before the cup.......Barkov all the way. Easy decision. More of a complete player.
Matthews clears him offensively while both being elite at Defense lol
@@hockey_all_star5895Matthew’s elite defensively. So cute. Especially with all that PK TOI per game 😂
@@hockey_all_star5895 LOL!!!!
Stop.
Barkov make his linemates better and Matthevs needs good passers in his line. So Barkov is easily better for palyoffs
Matthews scores with Nylander on his line. Plz shut up
Yes Barkov shut them down
@@maxentiusdecimus9341 ...and that line led them where again?
I'll wait...
I would take Barky ANY day. Much more well rounded player… not even close. Go Cats!
I'd take Barkov. He started seriously developing strength about three years ago, and dared to start using it in earnest in last year's playoffs. He goes through the middle like a moose and is strong like a bear in the corners.
He has a great ability to keep the puck in his possession even if it bounces off the stick to the equipment or even to his head. He just moves to the goal and knocks the puck in or passes exactly where he needs to.
Also, scraping the puck from behind from the attacker creates situations for the team like the quarterback's throw in American football.
Which one has a cup ring?
Barkov is the best player in the league.
Facts
He’s in the tier below mcdavid with a bunch of other guys. Could be a high as 2 or a low as 8 type thing
@@carbb5760 lol no he’s not. He shut down the best players in the league during the Cats playoff runs. Kept the Oilers top line to 0 or 1 point for 4 games during the SCF. He’s the best all around player in the league
@@Hockey7234 amazing playoff run and has captained one of the better teams in the league over the past 3 seasons he’s just not better than mcdavid. The panthers as a group were very stingy and get great goaltending. It’s not a knock on Barkov at all, mcdavid is just better than everyone else
@@carbb5760 One of the better teams the past 3 seasons thanks to barkov. His development correlates straighty with the panthers success. Barkov and ekblad are the only core players that have stayed on the team ever since they ended their playoff drought. Then again edmontons had "the best two players on the world" for half a decade and they made it to the finals for the first time through a boy scout route. Depleted stars were their only real threat when panthers went through mordor and became champs. But yeah, to me a good player is about competence and results. Talent is another thing which mcdavid and matthews definitely got shitloads of. But does it matter how high your ceiling is if someone doesnt let you leave the floor?
It's obviously Barkov it's not even a question.
Recency bias is a crazy drug.
@@mcj44 Barkov is better there is no bias. A 2 way player against a one dimensional scorer...
@@Raumance Such a casual take. Matthews was a selke finalist on top of being miles ahead offensively.
@@mcj44 No. You are the casual. You don't understand the difference between a complete and a one dimensional player.
@@Raumance Do you know what a “selke finalist” is? Matthew’s is one of the best defensive forwards in the league on top of scoring 60+ goals a season. Saying Matthew’s is one dimensional proves you’re a casual lol
When you pick Matthews you are picking stats over cups. But that’s ok not all people have that mindset. They are blinded by regular season stats.
So using ur logic is gustav forsling better then Quinn Hughes and Roman Josi? He has a cup whereas those two “just put up stats”. Also, is Sam Bennett better then Tim stutzle. Cup winner vs “Stat stuffer”. Cup isn’t won by 1 player
Mathews is a winger and not center, after his 30s he will be 3rd line winger
Barkov makes everyone around him better.
Andreas Johnsson scored 20 goals on Matthews wing 😂
@hockey_all_star5895 Barkov led his team to the finals 2 years in a row and won the Cup.
@@olgak57 it’s a team sport, is Marchessault better than mcdavid because he led his team to a cup?
@hockey_all_star5895 my point is Barkov is a proven leader. Matthews is not. Yet.
@@olgak57 I mean mark stone is a proven leader, doesn’t mean he’s better than mcdavid, this was just about who as a player is better
Toronto top guys clearly play a regular season brand of hockey.
Distributor makes everyone around them better. A shooter simply finishes off what the distributor creates.
Both are fantastic! Too many people forget that hockey is a team game, and no one player will win you the cup. Thats a real brainrot take. And lets be honest, this last years panthers team was an absolute unit. When a guy like Verhaeghe is your 6th best foreward, you know your team fecks! Bob was otherworldly till the 3 game skid, probably the best goaltending in a playoffs ive seen seen binnington with stl back in 2019. And that defense was nuts as well. And as a jets fan pomo is the most underrated coach in the league. It still amazes me how much he got out of the jets after they basically tuned him out.
I dont think that was his take. And I’m saying that totally agreeing with all your points as a cats fan. Matthews has more sheer talent, but Barkey is the better hockey player because his style of play elevates those around him.
@gTuya11 oh it wasn't my intent to say it was. His take was quite balanced. Lot's of fans. However, it seems they don't even know line changes happen. It's like they think their guy plays 60 minutes a night and is the only reason their team gets a win 🤣🤣🤣
It's like they think it's a slight against the other team, but in reality it's just showing they know very little about the sport, and it makes very good players go underappreciated.
Players like Forsling, who imo was your most consistent player all playoffs. Or players like Bennett, who's always had a knack for being clutch and always playing a strong balanced chippy game.
Barkov first and then, Barkov again. Matthews is a great goal scorer but Barkov is a playmaker. For every goal that Matthews scores Barkov is involved in 2 goals plus prevents 2 more from being scored.
Also forgot to mention this but please do the 6part course on Matthews and Barkov
Barkov is a proven winner,Matthews is not
Great video! Love this kind of hockey content.
You give a great balanced analysis. Thought i’ve never played hockey, I’m a huge FL cats fan. Somethings I’d like to point out here.
1. I would in no way call Barkov a power forward. He has never fought, does not have a net front presence, and his role in the forecheck is more about stick lifting than hitting. Barkov is a defensive center who’s high stick handling level, puck distribution, and penalty ability has shifted his style to be more like a two way center.
Barkovs hits and physicality only emerged under Paul Maurice. I dont mean this comment to sound like a dismissive correction to the Power Forward point either. This is a good thing for young players to think about. Barkov’s number of hits has grown EXPONENTIALLY in the past two years. This point is important because I believe it shows how his balanced play-style has allowed for his game to evolve as he has improved. Young hockey players can really learn from watching how he has developed in his time in the NHL. If you play with solid fundamentals and dont forgo your defensive responsibilities for more scoring chances there is more room for you to always improve on the “little things” and coaches LOVE players who can commit themselves in that way. More players will try to play like Matthews, but dont have his sheer talent. Barkovs style of game is more achievable because it is more about work rate and attention to detail.
2. Barkovs game raises both the floor and ceiling or all the players around him. His play allows other players to take risks and not have their team lose because of those mistakes, while also knowing how and when to feed them the puck. While I believe Matthews only raises the Ceiling for players around him, not the floor. I think this is a key reason Leaf fans get so frustrated, when they are clicking, the talent on that team is good enough to win a cup. But your team wont always be firing at their ceiling, sometimes you need players who can will their team to win when they are at their worst. Barkov does that.
Why compare goal scorer and defensive forward?
How can anyone still say two time Selke (Barky) is underrated?
so no playoff clips from AM😏
Barkov is way way better then matthews no question about that
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Do not read the comments or you will be triggered.
Barkov giving out passes to Matthews would be filthy.
I’m a panthers fan so you already know my answer but if I’m asking other NHL fans I would say do you want a cup or regular season records. Lmk. Barkov is better
Xander with another great video! Im curious to hear what you have to say about this
I really like taking notes on these videos as much as possible, picking pieces that I personally can use. I am hoping you can make more note taking-friendly scripts in the future. Awesome scripts regardless. Thanks. Also, still working on that Skool account
One has a cup and the other got dummied the one time they made it to the second round lol
Barkov slowly going from most underrated player in the league to most overrated lol
matthews look really nonchalant on the ice
Is a Jack Hughes breakdown coming in the future?
Yes it can, what you want to know about him?
@@conscious_hockey how does he get so many chances? What is it that he does where he's almost generating offence. He seems to always have a lot of speed with the puck too.
@@conscious_hockey His stickhandling deception and playmaking since those are things I can emulate. (I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to skate like him sadly 😔).
I will look into some footage of Jack Hughes
@@conscious_hockey thanks!!!
Instead of appreciating the talent of Matthews many will spew trash just to “dunk on the Leafs”
100%, hate the leafs but Matthews is the clear pick.
Matheson is top 3 in the league right now. He's the best sniper since Brett Hull and OV. Probably better defensively than either and a better overall play maker. I'm not a leafs fan just surprised that people can't appreciate his obviously elite talent.
matthews sucks
matthew probably a little better.. but this is a silly question. in playoffs best players are gritty ones since the ref will let shit go. (I don´t deem any of these as dirty esp not mathews.)
Matthews scores more, Barkov plays the game better.
Matthews, easily.
Where is his ring
@@jk7921 Good thing it’s a team sport!
@@mcj44no fr where is his ring or does he have atleast 3 playoffs win? ik you're gonna say "atleast" "they" "make" "that" "playoffs" "every" "year"
@@JeanJames-ff3wx Funny how it’s a team sport
@@jk7921Ai so is Patrick maroon better then 90% of the leauge?