FAQ - Di2 cable length: 1200mm & 900mm ------ So turns out wireless shifter firmware updates are not so wireless, cheeky little video about this over on the BTS channel th-cam.com/video/dmGG2P0-5fs/w-d-xo.html for those interested (Pretty few I think, that's why it's on there)
Hi mate, love your videos. Im about to buy this groupset but im torn on the length of Di2 cables! I dont want excessive lengths inside my frame. Was your 1200mm & 900mm way too long??
Your videos are so fun to watch. It's always sad to finish one video, knowing it'd be a while until the next one. Congrats on getting the new Dura Ace. I hope I can get a bike with the new 12sp Ultegra when it comes time for me to get a new bike.
Awesome video, as always. Not sure how I feel about these things getting more and more tech-based. Like pairing the levers (sorry, switches) - what happens if the QR code wears off a little bit over time / use and you can't scan it? After a few years of use, you break your rear mech and then your new mech has no way to pair with the front switches? Also, the front mech set-up being so dependent on the app... what happens in 10yrs time when nobody has an android or iOS phone anymore (because we're all in the metaverse or whatever.) Lots of people riding "classic" bikes with Dura-Ace from decades ago... I don't think anyone is going to be able to use this groupset in 20yrs time. :(
Based take. Hence why electronic groupsets + hydraulic disc brakes are all silly in terms of practicality. I use mechanical groupsets with rim brakes seeing as they are the easiest to maintain.
@@ridesofjapan you’re right, I really hope that the fires from heaven wipe out all of humanity considering how degenerate societies/civilizations are beginning to turn out 😎
another great video and very educational on installing and setting up new Shimano Di2 groupset. The highlights on the Dura-Ace logo on the box was a really nice touch - "how did he do that?!" And the exclamation mark from the scales too!
As a fellow weight weenie, I do appreciate the detailed weight comparison. I am disappointed that we can’t update an older 9170 group set with parts from 9270. I thought that the chain also changed, so you would need to have new Chainrings.
9:31 or can you? The PB Swiss 470 uses standard drill bits you so can mix and match as you like. Also has two built in tyre levers. It cannot have a chain breaker but that is all it lacks.
@@ridesofjapan your videos are never a waste of time! I love your videos, just saying I think you are the only youtuber that could make me watch a product review of something I wouldn't buy and I would enjoy it 🤣 sorry english is not my first language if my wording was wrong
We never saw much Campagnolo in Australia... At least not 30 years ago... Like the new GRX groupsets... Twelve speed was a no brainer but l think anything over ten speed is overkill...
Congrats! So jealous!!!! BTW that bleed port adapter, is that from Shimano? It looks like a braided hose that's much more durable than their flimsy cup attachment
Hello, a any chance you can post a link where to find this braided bleed port adapter? I searched the internet but cannot find this version which looks very sturdy and fine as well. Many Thanks in advance. GREAT video by the way :-)
Love yer you channel and content so much, great to be involved in someone's passion. Thought you'd be a bit more enthusiastic and happier with the top of the range groupset. Anyway keep up the good work.
I really like di2 has worked for me with a gen1 confi single front chainring for years….and just shifts perfect should upgrade but it works so well have not upgraded.
Love the video. As a fatter cyclist -I believe for me weight is less of a concern - curious once you start riding it what your review of the braking improvements will be. I can tell you comparing Dura Ace 9100 or 105 -7000 non-servo wave levers to the new GRX servo-wave brakes there is absolutely no comparison. I have exactly nothing but major problems with my DA 9100 brakes after about one year of use and had to just give up and replaced the calipers completely. Being less concerned about weight I can tell you that nothing is worse than having your brakes not perform that well on a high-end bike. Additionally at least for me on my Cervelo R5 - the opportunity to not have to route those cables from shifter to shifter then down to the BB through your handlebars and stem is a huge win!. Obviously I think Shimano is brilliant and figuring out that routing of the cable down to the BB and then across the drive side chain stay is exactly no challenge!
The only thing I really want to know is.. ¿Do the disk rub after a good descend? If they havent fixed that they havent fixed anything. Please keep us posted
First proper ride today… couldn’t get them to rub despite forcing them to the best of my ability. Still too early to say anything definitive though. Follow up video will come eventually.
@@ridesofjapan I had R8000 discs on my road bike and would have frequent rub...after switching to the M8100 (mtb XT line) disc rotors I no longer experienced any disc rub. With 2021 releases Shimano essentially just gave dura ace the XTR rotors and Ultegra the XT rotors. So I suspect this plus better modulation on the brake levers and we shouldn't have these issues any longer. Seems like the design and composition of the mtb rotors was a bit more robust in resisting warp that would cause disk rub. In addition they were actually lighter!
Great vid! I'm getting my Ultegra Groupset next week. but I'm not ready to switch with the crankset with the lack of power meter as I'm broke after the upgrade lol. Do you think my r8000 fitted with Absolute black Oval chainring 11speed work for me? Thanks in advance!
Awesome video but I have to say I prefer the old smaller shifters , they look sleeker and I never had issues with large hands, why did Shimano make the new shifters bigger ? Ideally they should offer smaller and larger shifters for bigger hands ...
Battery compartment is probably the biggest reason the size grew. I’m not too bothered that the bump got bigger, that part actually got more comfortable, but I wish they didn’t increase the reach.
Hi @Rides of Japan , do you maybe remember length of Di2 cables you used ? For that frame 1400mm (from RD) and 650mm (from FD) will be ok ? Best regards from Poland
How is the pad clearance? I wish I had the bike bug when I was living in Japan, my climbing skills would be so much better as I lived just North of where you are.
Congrats on the new Di2 setup! Just wanted to ask what you think of the Emonda overall so far as I am in the process of trying to decide on a new bike and my three frames which I am debating are the Emonda SLR frame, Giant TCR Advanced Pro disk and maybe going Titanium with a No.22 Reactor frame. I live in the Northeast with cold winters so I need something I can ride all the time so disk brakes it is and I do have quite a few Hills and mountains so I want something light. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I have no experience with the other two you mentioned. But I’m extremely happy with the Emonda even though never been much for the brand Trek to be honest, but it ticked all the boxes I was looking for. Light(ish), good tire clearance, integrated cables, nice color, spot on stack/reach/geo etc etc. I suggest you make a list, what are the most important things you want in the new bike? Is weight a big deal? Then titanium is out. Do you hate integrated cables, then the trek is out, and so on. Good luck!
@@ridesofjapan thanks for the quick reply another reason why I watch you channel your engagement with your viewers. My list is not that complicated really I want a lightweight build that has decent tire clearance. I don’t mind the integrated cables as I like to tinker with stuff so don’t mind the extra work. And I’ve checked the stats on both the name brand bikes and they match my dimensions about as well as can be expected. The ti option is just if I want to go full custom and get something one of a kind which appeals to me too but that involves more financially than the other two. But I’m not asking for astronomical perfection just a solid lightweight bike I can ride everywhere.
@@ridesofjapan well the fact that the project one color option exists is a huge plus especially when the wife is willing to pay the extra for my fav color is always a plus lol 🤩
Thanks for the funny videos with lots of interesting information. I was told that the 11 speed cranksets are not compatible with the new Shimano 12 speed. How does your Easton crankset works with the 12 speed?
people (including me) have been using the 12speed xtr chain on 11speed for years already. Gives an quieter drivetrain over all) However, you can not use the 12s chain on the 11speed 1x narrow-wide chainrings (I tried 😬)
@@ridesofjapan I was wondering about this. Cause I have a DA 11 spd 52-36 crank and the new DA 12 spd 52-36 crank. If the old 9100 crank is lighter I'd rather use it as it performs great. But have been trying to make sure that it's compatible. It looks nearly identical other than the beefed up crank arm
I have not personally used the 9100 crank with the 12speed chain myself, but plenty of people have. If you already have both then I’d just give it a go on 9100 crank and make a decision from there.
I managed to get my hands on the Dura Ace 9270 groupset. I was hoping that it would include a 11-34 cassette but it's a 11-30. Right now, it's difficult to get my hands on a 11-34 12-speed cassette. If I want to future-proof my chain to take a 11-34 cassette, how many links should I add when sizing the chain on a 11-30 cassette?
Hello, just in the middle of my own Dura Ace R92xx upgrade. Great video tutorial. Big Kudos :-) Any chance you can post a link where to find this braided bleed port adapter from Park Tool?? I searched the internet but cannot find this version. It looks very sturdy and finetuned as well compared to the many flimsy other adapters including the Shimano one. Many Thanks in advance.
The stupidest thing about Shimano 12 speed is that there are only 11-30 and 11-34 cassettes available. Not everyone lives in the hills and constantly drives up and down 20%.
Very good and detail installation guide, thank you. I want to ask about b-screw adjustment with tools(guide), what chainring position do we need to put during the adjustment? Big ring or small chainring?
so you're continuing to use the 11 speed Easton chainrings w no shifting problems? Have a 12 speed Di2 on order myself but ordering in parts. Also waiting on the 12 speed Carbon Ti chainrings but not sure how much I can hold out longer especially if the chainrings end up being my block to finishing the build. Distributor says they have been on order forever w no insight on when coming.
No shifting issues, but I never used the DA crank so I can’t compare the sifting performance. This far though I’ve not had any dropped chains or other shifting issues that bothers me. I have not use the carbonTi rings (yet) though so can’t speak to how they would perform.
I have a question hope you can consider looking into it...you say you have a 12 speed 11x30 can you decrease the number of speed to 7,8, or 9? This would lighten your cassette although I do not know in terms of smoothness in shifting. But still you have a marginal gain in terms of lessening the weight of your cassette. You still have that 11x30 teeth you can retain for high or low gear, would you even know what gear you are in when riding?
Great video - hope to ride in Japan one day - Question: a lot of US dealers are selling a ‘kit’ by putting bits together (and charging the same price as a complete kit). I have to imagine there are some build parts substituted. Any thoughts on that? Some are suggesting Ultegra rear derailleur (LoL) suggesting one has wider range
This 12speed generation DA and Ultegra has the same range (11-34). I did up my second bike with Ultegra, but I went for the DA levers and calipers. Derailleurs are about double the cost going from Ultegra to DA but levers & caliper kits are “only”200~300”extra”, so that what I did personally. If that’s the case in US I don’t know though.
Sorry I’m not in the world of TT and triathlon. But Shimano’s official documents should provide you with the information you need. From what I understand you run the previous gen TT shifters wired to a junction, then to the bettery.
Since the 9270 brake calipers have a wider gap I would imagine there is no compatibility if I wanted to replace my 9170 calipers. Wouldn't the extra width require more travel of the 9170 levers to make the pads come in contact with the rotors? I'm guessing Shimano redesigned the lever internals to compensate.
Since I want to avoid changing my QUARQ DFour powermeter crankset equipped with R9100 11sp chainrings, what chainrings would you suggest for using them along with the new R9200 or R8100? Thank you !
Thanks again for great content 👍. Do you think this set up (12sp shimano) would work with any 11sp chainset? I want to put it on my Cervelo Aspero gravel bike but with a 46/34 set up.
The 12speed road FD are not designed for sub-compact, you won’t be able to get the FD low enough on most frames. (However, I have a video on a solution coming in a week or so)
@@ridesofjapan ah - hadn’t thought of that. My chainset is an Ultegra 34/46 (it started life as the cx version 36/46) so the FD should go low enough for that?
It all depends on the frame… if it’s a FD clamp-style you can move it how much you want obviously, if it’s a CX frame with Brace-on mount they most likely have the mounting tab lower by design since it’s made for CX gearing. Both my Emonda and Allied Echo only allows me to use minimum 50T outer ring with a road FD. I have not used a GRX FD myself, but I would imagine since it’s design for sub-compact, the mounting points on FD itself takes this into account. Another thing to think about is tire clearance. Again the 12speed is design for road, and not gravel, so if you use a 40mm tire the clearance between the tire and the FD is dangerously close (I speak from experience hehe)
Great vid RoJ. Incredibly helpful stats. Sad to see how the planned obsolescence in this groupo. I work on bikes every day and the ones the most joyus to build and strip are the older stuff.
There a few ways to to it, unfortunately none of them are wireless. Fastest way might be having your lbs do it for you if they have the PC unit. The other way is to get a spare di2 wire that you use to connect the STI to the 3rd port in the battery and update with the app. If you have no way of reaching the battery the third way would be to use the FD wire to a 2 (or 4)-port junction then connect a longer wire to the STI, again update via the app. However, as long as your STI are working fine now, the update is not required. It seems it’s only required for a few units that don’t work correctly out from the factory according to bettershifting.com I have not yet updated mine fwiw
With my 2019 Venge Pro (with braze-on adapter mount for FD), I am unable to adjust the front derailleur in the manner that Shimano suggested, that is, the flat surface of the outer plate of the FD is directly above the largest chainring and that the rear edge of the outer plate is inwards by 0.5 - 1 mm compared to the front edge. Is it a deal-breaker if the chainring is actually inwards by about 1mm from the rear edge of the outer plate instead of the other way round? Short of bending the braze-on adapter, I don't think I can have it the way Shimano wants even if I can push the chainring out a bit.
Are you using the 9200 crank? The chain line has been moved out 1mm compared to previous generation. That said, as much as I too try to follow the instruction sometimes you just have to experiment and see if you can get it to shift good to the best of your ability. I use non-Shimano cranks with the old chainline so I had to play around with spacers/shims on the crank. In your case try to get it as straight as possible and then do the app adjustment procedure and see how it shifts…. Then adjust again if needed.
@@ridesofjapan Thanks for the response! I'm using Quarq DFour91 power meter (designed for Shimano chainrings) with 9100 Dura-Ace 52-36 chainrings. In my case, with how the FD is bolted - it is already as far outboard as possible - to the braze-on mount, even if the chain line is pushed out by another 1 or 2 mm, it's still not possible adjust in the way described in the Shimano manual. Once I get the chain on, I'll do the adjustment. Thanks again!
Just reaching out to confirm whether you are good running then12 spd with a non Shimano 9200 Crank and rings. I am planning of running 9100 crank and rings, because of power meter availability Do you think I would have any issues ?
I’ve read that people are having some issues on weight weenies forum using non-9200 cranks. My Easton I run with a extra 1mm drive side spacer to match the chain line better. Not all cranks allows for that though.
@@ridesofjapan thank you so much! I would imagine you would need the spindle width to accommodate that Spencer ? My biggest concern is the advanced wear on the chain! I have the 9100 on the and ridden it about 5km without issues but my biggest concern is excessive wear owning to part shortages
@@seansako people have been using the 12speed chain on 11speed chain rings (not 1x rings) for years already with great success, including me, so that I wouldn’t worry about. What people seem to struggle with now is getting the 9250 FD to play nice with non-9200 cranks.
@@TheRdrage Double-press the button on your rear derailleur to switch shifting modes. A solid blue LED indicates it's fully manual, giving you complete control over the shifting.
FAQ - Di2 cable length: 1200mm & 900mm
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So turns out wireless shifter firmware updates are not so wireless, cheeky little video about this over on the BTS channel th-cam.com/video/dmGG2P0-5fs/w-d-xo.html for those interested (Pretty few I think, that's why it's on there)
Hi mate, love your videos. Im about to buy this groupset but im torn on the length of Di2 cables! I dont want excessive lengths inside my frame. Was your 1200mm & 900mm way too long??
Great filming and editing. I can only dream!
Just got mine in...currently being installed 😀
Congrats! And I believe this is the first independent nice-shooting D/A9270 review on TH-cam. Informative and an enjoyment to watch.
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@@Marco-717 🤣😎
Your videos are so fun to watch. It's always sad to finish one video, knowing it'd be a while until the next one. Congrats on getting the new Dura Ace. I hope I can get a bike with the new 12sp Ultegra when it comes time for me to get a new bike.
I'll probably never ride di2 yet I watched the entire thing, cheers and enjoy the bike
This groupset will be on my next road bike build for sure. Awesome video!
congrats on the upgrade!
Always a good watch, even though I’m not much of a Shimano many myself…… looking forward to seeing what else you do to this bike…..Peace✌️
Another great watch. Your wait for DA 12 speed is over.👍😃
14:45 holy, that is very quick shifting. I guess thats electronic shifting for you. Very nice
Just in time, I’m putting mine together now!
Love your channel so much fun great cinematography sound and humor
Limit screws adjusments on the front thrue app is just awesome. Emonda look perfect with new groupo.
Awesome video, as always. Not sure how I feel about these things getting more and more tech-based. Like pairing the levers (sorry, switches) - what happens if the QR code wears off a little bit over time / use and you can't scan it? After a few years of use, you break your rear mech and then your new mech has no way to pair with the front switches? Also, the front mech set-up being so dependent on the app... what happens in 10yrs time when nobody has an android or iOS phone anymore (because we're all in the metaverse or whatever.) Lots of people riding "classic" bikes with Dura-Ace from decades ago... I don't think anyone is going to be able to use this groupset in 20yrs time. :(
100%.
Based take.
Hence why electronic groupsets + hydraulic disc brakes are all silly in terms of practicality.
I use mechanical groupsets with rim brakes seeing as they are the easiest to maintain.
We'll all be on the Huawei OS and Shimano won't exist
Do we really think humanity is going to survive another 20years the way things are looking? 😜
@@ridesofjapan you’re right, I really hope that the fires from heaven wipe out all of humanity considering how degenerate societies/civilizations are beginning to turn out 😎
There is a flat screen TV in the bottom section of that box (0:38), under all those components. Special edition Zwift package.
I should check for that 🤔
another great video and very educational on installing and setting up new Shimano Di2 groupset. The highlights on the Dura-Ace logo on the box was a really nice touch - "how did he do that?!" And the exclamation mark from the scales too!
Look at all that bike tech Dura Ace stole from the mountain bike world. Long live XTR!!!
As a fellow weight weenie, I do appreciate the detailed weight comparison. I am disappointed that we can’t update an older 9170 group set with parts from 9270. I thought that the chain also changed, so you would need to have new Chainrings.
the xtr chain has been used on 11 speed setups / chainrings without issue since 2018.
love the detailed side-by-side comparisons!
9:31 or can you? The PB Swiss 470 uses standard drill bits you so can mix and match as you like. Also has two built in tyre levers. It cannot have a chain breaker but that is all it lacks.
Happy riding!
Finally!
Been waiting way to long for that ;)
Found out your video & wow.. the amount of effort you did to make this video is awesome! It's really helpful thank you, subscribed today.
Nicely done, beautiful looking bike. Enjoy 😊
Always good to see new vids! Cheers!
Hi. Thanks a lot for this useful vid. Does the b screw adjustment guide comes along with the group or is an extra tool? Thanks.
It came with this kit. Would be surprised if they don’t include in the normal retail boxes as well.
Cheers!
Have zero interest in purchasing a Shimano Groupset, but as this is a Rides of Japan video I just had to click and watch.
Sorry to waste your time mate, but cheers!
@@ridesofjapan your videos are never a waste of time! I love your videos, just saying I think you are the only youtuber that could make me watch a product review of something I wouldn't buy and I would enjoy it 🤣 sorry english is not my first language if my wording was wrong
No worries mate, I understood it was a compliment, I’m just bad at taking them 😬
(English is not my 1st language either )
Nice one ! You're going to loose followers not counting this 1 gram breaking fluid at 3:52 😂
You can’t please everyone ;)
Quality video as always! I (hopefully) have a set arriving some time this winter for a Factor Ostro build.
Nice mate! Sounds like sweeet build!
What about the weight of the complete bike with 2X compared to before👍
Great video! Just about to put Ultegra Di2 on my 2021 Emonda SL6 Pro :)
How dare you use the time-stamps to miss even a second of these amazing soothing videos??!?!?!? Shame on you!
They are there for the secon and third watch-trough 😜
Cheers!
ooh that intro 💓
We never saw much Campagnolo in Australia...
At least not 30 years ago...
Like the new GRX groupsets...
Twelve speed was a no brainer but l think anything over ten speed is overkill...
Congrats! So jealous!!!! BTW that bleed port adapter, is that from Shimano? It looks like a braided hose that's much more durable than their flimsy cup attachment
The bleed kit I was using is the Parktool one. The adapter is metal in that kit. The Shimano one works fine though.
@@ridesofjapan Awesome
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any chance you can post a link where to find this braided bleed port adapter? I searched the internet but cannot find this version which looks very sturdy and fine as well. Many Thanks in advance. GREAT video by the way :-)
Love yer you channel and content so much, great to be involved in someone's passion. Thought you'd be a bit more enthusiastic and happier with the top of the range groupset. Anyway keep up the good work.
I’m very enthusiastic, but the level got brought down a bit by parting with all that money ;)
@@ridesofjapan fair play bud saving for new di2 ultegra by the time we get any here in 🏴 you will have another new 🚲 😁 👍
I really like di2 has worked for me with a gen1 confi single front chainring for years….and just shifts perfect should upgrade but it works so well have not upgraded.
blissful video
Great stuff, mate!
Love the video. As a fatter cyclist -I believe for me weight is less of a concern - curious once you start riding it what your review of the braking improvements will be. I can tell you comparing Dura Ace 9100 or 105 -7000 non-servo wave levers to the new GRX servo-wave brakes there is absolutely no comparison. I have exactly nothing but major problems with my DA 9100 brakes after about one year of use and had to just give up and replaced the calipers completely. Being less concerned about weight I can tell you that nothing is worse than having your brakes not perform that well on a high-end bike. Additionally at least for me on my Cervelo R5 - the opportunity to not have to route those cables from shifter to shifter then down to the BB through your handlebars and stem is a huge win!. Obviously I think Shimano is brilliant and figuring out that routing of the cable down to the BB and then across the drive side chain stay is exactly no challenge!
Now that's a big fricking box
The only thing I really want to know is.. ¿Do the disk rub after a good descend? If they havent fixed that they havent fixed anything. Please keep us posted
First proper ride today… couldn’t get them to rub despite forcing them to the best of my ability. Still too early to say anything definitive though.
Follow up video will come eventually.
@@ridesofjapan I had R8000 discs on my road bike and would have frequent rub...after switching to the M8100 (mtb XT line) disc rotors I no longer experienced any disc rub. With 2021 releases Shimano essentially just gave dura ace the XTR rotors and Ultegra the XT rotors. So I suspect this plus better modulation on the brake levers and we shouldn't have these issues any longer. Seems like the design and composition of the mtb rotors was a bit more robust in resisting warp that would cause disk rub.
In addition they were actually lighter!
@@robnolte2547 Shimano also increased the gap between the calipers and the disk.
@@donwinston .. yes they did .. a 10% increase in gap which should help those whose rotors are a bit warped
would be awesome if you could use the new calipers on the previous iteration.
Great vid! I'm getting my Ultegra Groupset next week. but I'm not ready to switch with the crankset with the lack of power meter as I'm broke after the upgrade lol. Do you think my r8000 fitted with Absolute black Oval chainring 11speed work for me? Thanks in advance!
That box 😍
Watching this as soon as I leave work. Did you sell the OPEN or will you be resurrecting it?!
Open is sold. It deserved to be ridden again :)
Definitely a beautiful bike! Wish I would've had the funds to get it at the time.
Awesome video but I have to say I prefer the old smaller shifters , they look sleeker and I never had issues with large hands, why did Shimano make the new shifters bigger ? Ideally they should offer smaller and larger shifters for bigger hands ...
Battery compartment is probably the biggest reason the size grew. I’m not too bothered that the bump got bigger, that part actually got more comfortable, but I wish they didn’t increase the reach.
Hi @Rides of Japan , do you maybe remember length of Di2 cables you used ? For that frame 1400mm (from RD) and 650mm (from FD) will be ok ? Best regards from Poland
1200 & 900
@@ridesofjapan thanx a lot !
Lucky sod. Still waiting on my new ultegra groupset. No confirmed date of arrival, just a vague "we should have it 3rd week of November".
Thank you for your video, very helpful !!! I'm swapping my 11s to 12s di2 on my Emonda, what's the length of the 2 cables that you used? thank you
How is the pad clearance? I wish I had the bike bug when I was living in Japan, my climbing skills would be so much better as I lived just North of where you are.
Cranks made hevier to solve old ultegra/dura ace cranks cracking
I think in the video description you meant comparison instead of compression, right ?
Cheers!
Congrats on the new Di2 setup! Just wanted to ask what you think of the Emonda overall so far as I am in the process of trying to decide on a new bike and my three frames which I am debating are the Emonda SLR frame, Giant TCR Advanced Pro disk and maybe going Titanium with a No.22 Reactor frame. I live in the Northeast with cold winters so I need something I can ride all the time so disk brakes it is and I do have quite a few Hills and mountains so I want something light. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I have no experience with the other two you mentioned. But I’m extremely happy with the Emonda even though never been much for the brand Trek to be honest, but it ticked all the boxes I was looking for. Light(ish), good tire clearance, integrated cables, nice color, spot on stack/reach/geo etc etc.
I suggest you make a list, what are the most important things you want in the new bike? Is weight a big deal? Then titanium is out. Do you hate integrated cables, then the trek is out, and so on.
Good luck!
@@ridesofjapan thanks for the quick reply another reason why I watch you channel your engagement with your viewers. My list is not that complicated really I want a lightweight build that has decent tire clearance. I don’t mind the integrated cables as I like to tinker with stuff so don’t mind the extra work. And I’ve checked the stats on both the name brand bikes and they match my dimensions about as well as can be expected. The ti option is just if I want to go full custom and get something one of a kind which appeals to me too but that involves more financially than the other two. But I’m not asking for astronomical perfection just a solid lightweight bike I can ride everywhere.
I’m sure you’d be happy with either of those bikes. But which one looks the nicest? 😜
@@ridesofjapan well the fact that the project one color option exists is a huge plus especially when the wife is willing to pay the extra for my fav color is always a plus lol 🤩
Where are you from originally? Will you talk about what it's like to live in Japan without a car sometime?
Thanks for the funny videos with lots of interesting information.
I was told that the 11 speed cranksets are not compatible with the new Shimano 12 speed.
How does your Easton crankset works with the 12 speed?
people (including me) have been using the 12speed xtr chain on 11speed for years already. Gives an quieter drivetrain over all)
However, you can not use the 12s chain on the 11speed 1x narrow-wide chainrings (I tried 😬)
@@ridesofjapan I was wondering about this. Cause I have a DA 11 spd 52-36 crank and the new DA 12 spd 52-36 crank. If the old 9100 crank is lighter I'd rather use it as it performs great. But have been trying to make sure that it's compatible. It looks nearly identical other than the beefed up crank arm
I have not personally used the 9100 crank with the 12speed chain myself, but plenty of people have. If you already have both then I’d just give it a go on 9100 crank and make a decision from there.
I managed to get my hands on the Dura Ace 9270 groupset. I was hoping that it would include a 11-34 cassette but it's a 11-30. Right now, it's difficult to get my hands on a 11-34 12-speed cassette. If I want to future-proof my chain to take a 11-34 cassette, how many links should I add when sizing the chain on a 11-30 cassette?
Sorry haven’t sized a chain for a 34 cassette yet so can’t help you there I’m afraid.
9:10 that coin cell compartment is why washing your bike with water jet is not recommended?
Hello, just in the middle of my own Dura Ace R92xx upgrade. Great video tutorial. Big Kudos :-)
Any chance you can post a link where to find this braided bleed port adapter from Park Tool?? I searched the internet but cannot find this version. It looks very sturdy and finetuned as well compared to the many flimsy other adapters including the Shimano one. Many Thanks in advance.
@@thomasmuller3089 it’s part of their big bleed kit, no separately from what I know. The Shimano kit it good enough though if you already have that.
Thanks - great as always - do you remember what length di2 cables you used? Sorry for the dumb q
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Saw one of these on the table at the local bike shop, unsold to 🤤….
Very nice piece of kit, to much$$ for me unfortunately.
Great video, thankyou
The stupidest thing about Shimano 12 speed is that there are only 11-30 and 11-34 cassettes available. Not everyone lives in the hills and constantly drives up and down 20%.
What bleeding spacer are you using.
Shimano designation / mm.
Don't you need a thicker one for the 12 speed than for the 11 speed?
New bleedblocks are included with the calipers
Very good and detail installation guide, thank you. I want to ask about b-screw adjustment with tools(guide), what chainring position do we need to put during the adjustment? Big ring or small chainring?
Doesn’t matter what ring, either ring should have enough tension to pull the cage forward, if not, the chain is too long.
@@ridesofjapan thanks a lot..
so you're continuing to use the 11 speed Easton chainrings w no shifting problems? Have a 12 speed Di2 on order myself but ordering in parts. Also waiting on the 12 speed Carbon Ti chainrings but not sure how much I can hold out longer especially if the chainrings end up being my block to finishing the build. Distributor says they have been on order forever w no insight on when coming.
No shifting issues, but I never used the DA crank so I can’t compare the sifting performance. This far though I’ve not had any dropped chains or other shifting issues that bothers me.
I have not use the carbonTi rings (yet) though so can’t speak to how they would perform.
I have a question hope you can consider looking into it...you say you have a 12 speed 11x30 can you decrease the number of speed to 7,8, or 9? This would lighten your cassette although I do not know in terms of smoothness in shifting. But still you have a marginal gain in terms of lessening the weight of your cassette. You still have that 11x30 teeth you can retain for high or low gear, would you even know what gear you are in when riding?
13:45 You can assign a function key.
Great video - hope to ride in Japan one day - Question: a lot of US dealers are selling a ‘kit’ by putting bits together (and charging the same price as a complete kit). I have to imagine there are some build parts substituted. Any thoughts on that? Some are suggesting Ultegra rear derailleur (LoL) suggesting one has wider range
This 12speed generation DA and Ultegra has the same range (11-34). I did up my second bike with Ultegra, but I went for the DA levers and calipers. Derailleurs are about double the cost going from Ultegra to DA but levers & caliper kits are “only”200~300”extra”, so that what I did personally. If that’s the case in US I don’t know though.
Hope you can make a video how to upgrades tt setup for the new 12 speed
Sorry I’m not in the world of TT and triathlon. But Shimano’s official documents should provide you with the information you need.
From what I understand you run the previous gen TT shifters wired to a junction, then to the bettery.
Did you ever tested the sram axs in comparison to the di2 from Shimano?
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Do you know the cable length provided for the front and rear derailleurs. I'm about to start a build. Thanks
900 + 1200mm
@@ridesofjapan Perfect, thank you
hello...congratulations for the video what was the size of the internal cables joining the battery to the deraileur?
1200 & 900mm
Are there 3 batteries or 4? Sounds very convenient (not).
Since the 9270 brake calipers have a wider gap I would imagine there is no compatibility if I wanted to replace my 9170 calipers. Wouldn't the extra width require more travel of the 9170 levers to make the pads come in contact with the rotors? I'm guessing Shimano redesigned the lever internals to compensate.
Calipers are compatible with the old levers, but not the other way around
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Thanks for the video. I have a question. How many cables came with the groupset and what lengths were they? Thanks.
Two, 1200 & 900mm
@@ridesofjapan Thanks
Since I want to avoid changing my QUARQ DFour powermeter crankset equipped with R9100 11sp chainrings, what chainrings would you suggest for using them along with the new R9200 or R8100? Thank you !
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Great content as always
Congrats! So jealous LOL! You should ride it like you stole it now LOL!
Always 🥸
I see you are using 11 speed chainring with 12 speed groupo. Do you think it's compatible with sram as well?
Sram 11speed could work. Sram 12/axs that use the flat top chain will not work from what I understand.
4:25 some Assembly Fluid #1 will fix that :)
Thanks again for great content 👍. Do you think this set up (12sp shimano) would work with any 11sp chainset? I want to put it on my Cervelo Aspero gravel bike but with a 46/34 set up.
The 12speed road FD are not designed for sub-compact, you won’t be able to get the FD low enough on most frames.
(However, I have a video on a solution coming in a week or so)
@@ridesofjapan ah - hadn’t thought of that. My chainset is an Ultegra 34/46 (it started life as the cx version 36/46) so the FD should go low enough for that?
It all depends on the frame… if it’s a FD clamp-style you can move it how much you want obviously, if it’s a CX frame with Brace-on mount they most likely have the mounting tab lower by design since it’s made for CX gearing.
Both my Emonda and Allied Echo only allows me to use minimum 50T outer ring with a road FD.
I have not used a GRX FD myself, but I would imagine since it’s design for sub-compact, the mounting points on FD itself takes this into account.
Another thing to think about is tire clearance. Again the 12speed is design for road, and not gravel, so if you use a 40mm tire the clearance between the tire and the FD is dangerously close (I speak from experience hehe)
@@ridesofjapan Adapters can be found from the usual suspects...
No weights for the Dura-Ace packaging? ;)
Thanks for Info
How is it going with easton chainrings? Any chain drops?
Great vid RoJ. Incredibly helpful stats.
Sad to see how the planned obsolescence in this groupo.
I work on bikes every day and the ones the most joyus to build and strip are the older stuff.
Each to their own 👍
Cheers!
Could combine all the lightest parts
Are the barbs and olives the same as the 9100 for the brake hoses?
Yes, (Shimano BH90 Olive/Connector Insert Y8JA98020)
Awesome video as always!
Does anyone know if the new brake calipers are compatible with the previous generation (R9170) shifters?
yes, but not vice versa.
Beautiful 😍
Sir the dura ace crankset have a 3x crankset?
What's that rear di2 cable guide you use on the Sigeyi rear mech, does it come with the RD?
Yes comes with the new RD
@@ridesofjapan Thanks!
Which body parts did you need to sell?
13:16 where did you get that guide tool?
Included with the kit
How do you go about updating the STI? Just recieved my bike and have trouble updating them.
There a few ways to to it, unfortunately none of them are wireless.
Fastest way might be having your lbs do it for you if they have the PC unit.
The other way is to get a spare di2 wire that you use to connect the STI to the 3rd port in the battery and update with the app.
If you have no way of reaching the battery the third way would be to use the FD wire to a 2 (or 4)-port junction then connect a longer wire to the STI, again update via the app.
However, as long as your STI are working fine now, the update is not required.
It seems it’s only required for a few units that don’t work correctly out from the factory according to bettershifting.com
I have not yet updated mine fwiw
Do you need a cell phone to set up the gearing?
With my 2019 Venge Pro (with braze-on adapter mount for FD), I am unable to adjust the front derailleur in the manner that Shimano suggested, that is, the flat surface of the outer plate of the FD is directly above the largest chainring and that the rear edge of the outer plate is inwards by 0.5 - 1 mm compared to the front edge. Is it a deal-breaker if the chainring is actually inwards by about 1mm from the rear edge of the outer plate instead of the other way round? Short of bending the braze-on adapter, I don't think I can have it the way Shimano wants even if I can push the chainring out a bit.
Are you using the 9200 crank? The chain line has been moved out 1mm compared to previous generation.
That said, as much as I too try to follow the instruction sometimes you just have to experiment and see if you can get it to shift good to the best of your ability. I use non-Shimano cranks with the old chainline so I had to play around with spacers/shims on the crank.
In your case try to get it as straight as possible and then do the app adjustment procedure and see how it shifts…. Then adjust again if needed.
@@ridesofjapan Thanks for the response! I'm using Quarq DFour91 power meter (designed for Shimano chainrings) with 9100 Dura-Ace 52-36 chainrings. In my case, with how the FD is bolted - it is already as far outboard as possible - to the braze-on mount, even if the chain line is pushed out by another 1 or 2 mm, it's still not possible adjust in the way described in the Shimano manual. Once I get the chain on, I'll do the adjustment. Thanks again!
Nice. What are your plans with the old system?
Some parts will look for new owners eventually.
@@ridesofjapan awesome. Keep me in mind have always wanted to try DI2.
Just reaching out to confirm whether you are good running then12 spd with a non Shimano 9200 Crank and rings. I am planning of running 9100 crank and rings, because of power meter availability Do you think I would have any issues ?
I’ve read that people are having some issues on weight weenies forum using non-9200 cranks.
My Easton I run with a extra 1mm drive side spacer to match the chain line better. Not all cranks allows for that though.
@@ridesofjapan thank you so much! I would imagine you would need the spindle width to accommodate that Spencer ? My biggest concern is the advanced wear on the chain! I have the 9100 on the and ridden it about 5km without issues but my biggest concern is excessive wear owning to part shortages
@@seansako people have been using the 12speed chain on 11speed chain rings (not 1x rings) for years already with great success, including me, so that I wouldn’t worry about.
What people seem to struggle with now is getting the 9250 FD to play nice with non-9200 cranks.
@@ridesofjapan super ! Thank you!
I had Ultegra 8170 fitted last week. Synchro shift cannot be applied using E-Tube at this stage. My bike shope reckons a firmware update is needed.
Mine came with synchro shift on and I can't get it to manual. All firmware updated.
@@TheRdrage Double-press the button on your rear derailleur to switch shifting modes. A solid blue LED indicates it's fully manual, giving you complete control over the shifting.