Interesting as always. I would be interested in your views on back spin. I notice that the Trackman data gives total spin. The system they use at the PGA Super Store where I go, Foresight GC Hawk overhead, is frustrating in one aspect, as it does not give club speed. But it gives back spin and side spin data separately. I began to notice things as I have been working on my swing and testing balls these past three months since joining. I have been working a lot with my 52 degree gap wedge, setting up for 50 yards, 75 yards and 100 yards (my full swing distance is about 95 yards). I got quite a lot of left side spin, anywhere from 800 rpm to over 2000. I also was puzzled at wide variations in back spin. Trying to increase downward attack angle by playing the ball back to increase back spin didn't seem to work consistently, and sometimes even led to greater side spin. Then one of the fitters, who previously played some on tours, explained to me that total spin is a spiral, a bit like an American football thrown by the quarterback, with back spin and side spin combined depending on the axis. More side spin means less back spin. So if the goal is to get more back spin to stop a wedge shot on the green quickly, then the swing of the club has to involve being sure to turn the hips and allow the club to swing around the body to the left with the finish relatively low and not releasing the hands a lot so that the face remains square to the target, as opposed to a swing path from inside out continuing out, with a definite release of the hands and a high finish. That cut type shot imparts right side spin for a right hander. So I have recently been working on that swing and have seen a 50% increase in back spin with a corresponding quick stop, less rollout. Am very pleased to better understand the dynamics and to be able to execute. For an average mid-handicapper there is the fear that this type of cut shot will turn into that old bogy, coming over the top and swinging outside to in. But as the pro explained, you still have to make a good turn back, then bring the right (or trail) elbow down toward the waist as the downswing begins. That way the circular rotation that produces the cut shot originates from inside out to briefly be on the target line to finishing to the left. It does not involve rotating the shoulders prematurely on the downswing, which pushes the hands out and produces that dreaded over the top error.
There is no such thing as side spin and back spin as the ball can’t spin in 2 different directions . The all has only back spin the curve is caused because the axis of the ball has been tilted due to the path of the swing. Hitting down won’t necessarily create more spin i recommend you read about spin loft which is the difference between AOA and dynamic loft. Read about that and you can fix your spin problem.
Hello.i want to fade all my shots,i have bought a trackmann,what would be my ideal statts for club pth,face angle,is there a list online i can find tzankyou
Path should be (assuming you are right handed) between -1 and -3 with the face angle roughly half the path: if path is -2 the face angle should be -1 (face to path is +1). If face angle is 0 then you will miss up the right. These would give soft fades which is all you need. If path gets more out to in then it risks a square face to path missing too far left and therefore too much shot shape to be consistent
How can I find out the average club head speed to carry the ball 50 yards? Would it be the same for LPGA, PGA and recreational golfers since the ball is going 50 yards
It is similar across a lot of players - better technique often allows a little more club speed relative to distance but club speed does closely relate to distance for these shots. The Trackman website does give a lot of information so you may find it on there
I hit up on the ball about 8 degrees and I get really good distance for my swing speed. I also hit about 60% of my fairways. If I'm accurate, what is the drawback to hitting up that much? I usually hear fitters say 2-4 degrees up. I guess that's based on swing speed but why not more up?
The more upward your angle of attack the more likely to turn the ball over and potentially see spin become volatile which is why 2-4 degrees up is deemed “optimum” as it is enough to get good launch and spin data without rushing a flip
Simon, is that aqua colored band that is displayed at 11:11 supposed to represent the "optimal" window that the ball should be traveling in? If so, optimized for what, distance only? If that is not what it is, then what is it? Thanks.
Hi Steve. It is an optimal flight for distance but based on the club speed and angle of attack but you can change the parameters to be to display the optimum launch and spin window for best carry, carry and total or just total distance.
how does the dynamic lie works? Suppose a club with 64o static lie, if the average dynamic lie shows 66o, how can I neutralize the impact? Bend it to 66o, or 62o? tks
The only thing with any launch monitor and it’s dynamic lie measurement is that it is not yet reliably measuring the shaft so I would not go on that number (if that is where your dynamic lie number has come from). It will be reliable I am sure before long though! The best way to test is using a line on the ball to leave the mark on the face post impact - as long as you set it vertical at address it leaves nothing to interpret other than whether the line points to the toe (too upright) or the hosel (too flat)
Hi. No reason other than it suits our needs perfectly and we have sufficient room to use indoors. We also love the software, accuracy of data and the TM team are utterly awesome to deal with.
@@Precision_Golf thanks for the answer. I can testify that it works as I have definitely improved since you guys fit and built my clubs! As long as the person fitting can use and interpret the data all is good!
Hi Cliff. When ball flight distances are limited (we’re blessed with way more than required) you can apply a 5mm metal dot to the ball which ensures 100% accuracy of data indoors.
@@Precision_Golf thanks. I’m only asking as I go to an indoor simulator in USA where it’s Trackman and they use RCT golf balls. I’d rather use my own golf ball but they said the spin would be off. Is there a place I can buy the 5mm metal dot and apply it to my own golf ball? Does it matter where it’s applied?
I seem to generate enough clubhead speed to be decent (106-109mph) yet i can never get my driver smash factor up. Its killing me. Im trying to get my angle of attack up, but I just cant seem to get the most out of the driver. Depresses me a bit :(
@@Precision_Golf I love the centre youve got there. I came down a while ago, got fitted for an awesome Tsi3 and had the nemesys 04 flex. Ive put on a little speed now so ive gone up to a X flex.....the thing killing me, im having lessons, i want to get my driver angle of attack from about -1.5 to -2 up to +1 ideally. My target is to consistently have 160 ball speed. A big ask but i want to work hard this year :)
@@Precision_Golf I think youre right on that. The 04 flex feels a bit more lively, the 05 is a bit more dead. Doesnt feel like it bends much which i would think is what the super fast people want
Interesting as always. I would be interested in your views on back spin. I notice that the Trackman data gives total spin. The system they use at the PGA Super Store where I go, Foresight GC Hawk overhead, is frustrating in one aspect, as it does not give club speed. But it gives back spin and side spin data separately. I began to notice things as I have been working on my swing and testing balls these past three months since joining. I have been working a lot with my 52 degree gap wedge, setting up for 50 yards, 75 yards and 100 yards (my full swing distance is about 95 yards). I got quite a lot of left side spin, anywhere from 800 rpm to over 2000. I also was puzzled at wide variations in back spin. Trying to increase downward attack angle by playing the ball back to increase back spin didn't seem to work consistently, and sometimes even led to greater side spin. Then one of the fitters, who previously played some on tours, explained to me that total spin is a spiral, a bit like an American football thrown by the quarterback, with back spin and side spin combined depending on the axis. More side spin means less back spin. So if the goal is to get more back spin to stop a wedge shot on the green quickly, then the swing of the club has to involve being sure to turn the hips and allow the club to swing around the body to the left with the finish relatively low and not releasing the hands a lot so that the face remains square to the target, as opposed to a swing path from inside out continuing out, with a definite release of the hands and a high finish. That cut type shot imparts right side spin for a right hander. So I have recently been working on that swing and have seen a 50% increase in back spin with a corresponding quick stop, less rollout. Am very pleased to better understand the dynamics and to be able to execute. For an average mid-handicapper there is the fear that this type of cut shot will turn into that old bogy, coming over the top and swinging outside to in. But as the pro explained, you still have to make a good turn back, then bring the right (or trail) elbow down toward the waist as the downswing begins. That way the circular rotation that produces the cut shot originates from inside out to briefly be on the target line to finishing to the left. It does not involve rotating the shoulders prematurely on the downswing, which pushes the hands out and produces that dreaded over the top error.
There is no such thing as side spin and back spin as the ball can’t spin in 2 different directions . The all has only back spin the curve is caused because the axis of the ball has been tilted due to the path of the swing. Hitting down won’t necessarily create more spin i recommend you read about spin loft which is the difference between AOA and dynamic loft. Read about that and you can fix your spin problem.
Hello.i want to fade all my shots,i have bought a trackmann,what would be my ideal statts for club pth,face angle,is there a list online i can find tzankyou
Path should be (assuming you are right handed) between -1 and -3 with the face angle roughly half the path: if path is -2 the face angle should be -1 (face to path is +1). If face angle is 0 then you will miss up the right.
These would give soft fades which is all you need. If path gets more out to in then it risks a square face to path missing too far left and therefore too much shot shape to be consistent
Great video guys, really useful explanations
Thank you Tony
How can I find out the average club head speed to carry the ball 50 yards? Would it be the same for LPGA, PGA and recreational golfers since the ball is going 50 yards
It is similar across a lot of players - better technique often allows a little more club speed relative to distance but club speed does closely relate to distance for these shots. The Trackman website does give a lot of information so you may find it on there
I hit up on the ball about 8 degrees and I get really good distance for my swing speed. I also hit about 60% of my fairways. If I'm accurate, what is the drawback to hitting up that much? I usually hear fitters say 2-4 degrees up. I guess that's based on swing speed but why not more up?
The more upward your angle of attack the more likely to turn the ball over and potentially see spin become volatile which is why 2-4 degrees up is deemed “optimum” as it is enough to get good launch and spin data without rushing a flip
@@Precision_Golf Thanks
Simon, is that aqua colored band that is displayed at 11:11 supposed to represent the "optimal" window that the ball should be traveling in? If so, optimized for what, distance only? If that is not what it is, then what is it? Thanks.
Hi Steve. It is an optimal flight for distance but based on the club speed and angle of attack but you can change the parameters to be to display the optimum launch and spin window for best carry, carry and total or just total distance.
how does the dynamic lie works? Suppose a club with 64o static lie, if the average dynamic lie shows 66o, how can I neutralize the impact? Bend it to 66o, or 62o? tks
The only thing with any launch monitor and it’s dynamic lie measurement is that it is not yet reliably measuring the shaft so I would not go on that number (if that is where your dynamic lie number has come from). It will be reliable I am sure before long though! The best way to test is using a line on the ball to leave the mark on the face post impact - as long as you set it vertical at address it leaves nothing to interpret other than whether the line points to the toe (too upright) or the hosel (too flat)
I may of missed it but what is if any the reason for using trackman instead of quad?
Hi. No reason other than it suits our needs perfectly and we have sufficient room to use indoors. We also love the software, accuracy of data and the TM team are utterly awesome to deal with.
@@Precision_Golf thanks for the answer. I can testify that it works as I have definitely improved since you guys fit and built my clubs! As long as the person fitting can use and interpret the data all is good!
@@Falcon-15 very pleased to hear that! 💪🏼
Is the spin data correct if you use a golf ball that’s not the Titleist RCT golf ball?
Hi Cliff. When ball flight distances are limited (we’re blessed with way more than required) you can apply a 5mm metal dot to the ball which ensures 100% accuracy of data indoors.
@@Precision_Golf thanks. I’m only asking as I go to an indoor simulator in USA where it’s Trackman and they use RCT golf balls. I’d rather use my own golf ball but they said the spin would be off. Is there a place I can buy the 5mm metal dot and apply it to my own golf ball? Does it matter where it’s applied?
Sorry gif missing your message. Sadly I’m not aware of anywhere to purchase the dots but a Trackman centre should have some or be able to get them in
I seem to generate enough clubhead speed to be decent (106-109mph) yet i can never get my driver smash factor up. Its killing me. Im trying to get my angle of attack up, but I just cant seem to get the most out of the driver. Depresses me a bit :(
Come and see us James, we’ll cheers your driving up 👍🏻
@@Precision_Golf I love the centre youve got there. I came down a while ago, got fitted for an awesome Tsi3 and had the nemesys 04 flex. Ive put on a little speed now so ive gone up to a X flex.....the thing killing me, im having lessons, i want to get my driver angle of attack from about -1.5 to -2 up to +1 ideally. My target is to consistently have 160 ball speed. A big ask but i want to work hard this year :)
@@jamesdenny5078 the X “could” just be a little too much.
@@Precision_Golf I think youre right on that. The 04 flex feels a bit more lively, the 05 is a bit more dead. Doesnt feel like it bends much which i would think is what the super fast people want
@@jamesdenny5078 happy to help switch it back for you.
Too much talking
It’s an explainer video