TUDOR BLACK BAY FIFTY-EIGHT BRONZE. Ageing & Cleaning a Full Bronze Watch.
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June 25th this year we published our video about the new Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight Bronze "Boutique Edition" Reference 79012M fitted with a bronze bracelet. The Black Bay Bronze presents entirely satin-brushed finishes that guarantee the homogeneous development of this patina. The 4K-video included lume-, pool-, wrist-shots and all technical information. If you haven't watched the video yet, please do so... here is the link: • TUDOR BLACK BAY FIFTY-...
Tudor's choice of a "living" metal - in this case a high-performance aluminium bronze alloy used particularly in naval engineering for submerged parts required to demonstrate a high level of resistance to corrosion such as propellers, for example - ensures the development of a subtle and unique patina on the case of every watch to match its user’s habits. And this is exactly what happened the last four months. I was wearing the Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight Bronze "Boutique Edition" Reference 79012M on a very regular base and therewith ageing it. In the video you will discover how it looked like and I will show you how to clean the diver. I have been using Kukident. Normally you use the Kukident tablets to clean you third teeth (dental prosthesis), but they also do a great job cleaning a bronze case.
While Tudor has been exploring bronze in its collection for several years, the Black Bay Fifty-Eight Bronze model (100% the same bronze alloy as used so far) marks the first time that the litte sister of Rolex has produced a bracelet entirely from bronze. Its satin-brushed links adopting the style of Tudor bracelets of the 1950s and '60s, with rivets, are coordinated with the case and will develop a patina at the same pace. A new bronze clasp, also satin-brushed, with a redesigned cover and Tudor "T-fit" rapid adjustment system for the length, completes the total bronze look. Easy to use, requiring no tools and offering 5 positions, this practical system allows wearers of the Black Bay Fifty-Eight Bronze to carry out a fine, instant adjustment on an adjustment window along the entire length of the 8 mm bracelet.
REFERENCE 79012M
CASE
Bronze case, 39 mm in diameter, 11.9 mm thick, 48 mm from lug to lug, satin-brushed finish
Bronze colored PVD-treated steel case back
BEZEL
Unidirectional rotating bezel in bronze with 60-minute graduated matt "brown-bronze" anodised aluminium disc
WINDING CROWN
Screw-down, bronze winding crown, engraved with the Tudor rose
DIAL
"Brown-bronze", domed
CRYSTAL
Domed sapphire crystal
WATERPROOFNESS
Waterproof to 200 m (660 ft)
BRACELET
Riveted bronze bracelet, satin-brushed finish
Complimentary "brown-bronze" fabric strap with band and bronze buckle, included in the box
MOVEMENT
Manufacture Calibre MT5400
Self-winding mechanical movement with bidirectional rotor system
PRECISION
Swiss Chronometer officially certified by the COSC (Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute)
POWER RESERVE
Approximately 70 hours
FUNCTIONS
Centre hour, minute and seconds hands
Stop-seconds function for precise time setting
OSCILLATOR
Variable inertia balance, micro-adjustment screw
Non-magnetic silicon balance spring
Frequency: 28,800 A/h (= 4Hz)
TOTAL DIAMETER
30.3 mm
THICKNESS
5 mm
JEWELS
27 jewels
Tudor is offering a five-year guarantee on all its products sold after 1 January 2020.
Please do also read the description of the video. I posted some technical details about the watch. I am looking forward reading your comments and answering you questions...
I also have this watch. A little bit of Brasso and a microfibre cloth = looks almost brand new after about 2 minutes. VERY easy. And that said - I quite like it once it’s built up some patina too - never gets too bad and gives it a “lived in” look. This is a fabulous watch - people really shouldn’t worry about the patina “issue” (that isn’t an issue 😁)
Thanks for sharing your experience and passion with us!! May your BB continue to always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours …
I have a bronze IWC watch. Was thinking of using Brasso. It didn't end up polishing the brushed portions of your watch? Was the only concern I had of using Brasso.
Thank you Alexander for this update on the bronze. As a tudor collector, this video has come in very useful so the changing patina has prevented me in purchasing one. Now seeing how easy it is to restore it back to the original condition, I have the initiative to go and find one for sale now. Many thanks
I am very happy to read this Richard. You can even improve the cleaning by just letting the watch longer in that “bath” … I wanted to show the immediate effect in the video, so I limited the process to “only” one hour… let me know if you have any questions…
@@WatchAdvisor it looks easy and effort free. Worth looking for one as a tudor collector. In the UK it might be very hard as lack of boutiques, might have to go to Hong Kong when covid over. Should be easier there
Thank you for this informative video. I am considering one and so happy to have come across you. Liked and subscribed.
Welcome to WatchAdvisor! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Let me know if you have any questions…
Great video. Thank you so much for posting this. I’ve been shy to place an order on this exact watch, but I’m now more confident about the purchase (and maintenance) of this watch than before.
Thanks for sharing your passion with us! Let me know if you have any other questions...
i just received my black bay 58 bronze today and what a fantastic looking watch. Ok what i have done to try and prevent any patina and try to keep it looking as good as new is use renaissance micro crysatalline wax polish on the bracelet and watch head, clear wax and very easy to apply with a micro fibre cloth. I removed the bracelet and thoroughly applied a good coat of wax to the inside and outside of the bracelet , polished it off and it buffs up as good as the original tudor finish so don`t be scared to do it. i then used a cotton bud to get to the niggly bits around the bezel and lugs and applied a good amount over the case and sides. again polishes off very easily. i did this twice and then re assembled the watch. looks great and hopefully has some protection. will do this probably once a month and see how the watch looks and adjust waxing accordingly. the wax is available on amazon and is very well tried and tested . hope this helps...
Thanks for sharing, very interesting… Please keep us posted, so we can learn more about your efforts … May your BB58 always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours…
@@WatchAdvisor I will indeed and thank you for your video.
Great tip :-)
Great video.
I like how you showed the whole watch in detail before and after.
This was perfect!
Great video. Answered all my questions about the patina. beautiful watch, and kudos to you for diving it.
Thanks for sharing our passion!
thank you for the video. Please let us know how is your Omega Seamaster Bronze gold is ageing and how to clean. Cheers
I don’t have the Omega anymore, I only had it to produce the video… I expect it that it ages in a very similar way…
Thank you for these advices. Amazing results!!!
Saludos!!
You are very welcome!
Hi Alexander, another great video thank you. A couple of things I would add is if you use a tooth brush it will take off more of the patina, and I would recommend also trying a different method using the juice of a full lemon and a can of soda, I believe gives you a better result, I did the first video on cleaning the patina from a Black Bay over a year ago, you can see my results, but please disregard the polishing part of the video, I know some of you will scold me on that, but it's my watch i have no plans of selling it or care about what value you might think it went down to, i like the way it looks and bonus it keeps the patina from coming back.😉
I have tried with another bronze watch lemon juice and was not satisfied at all… these Kukident tabs are cleaning softly and effective… the watch was only one hour in that “bath” and I did not use any additional tools to clean it and it already looked really good… so one should keep it just a bit longer in that “bath” an the results will be perfect… my intention was to show how easy it is to clean a bronze watch even in only one hour time…
@@WatchAdvisor just 1 question did you also use club soda?
@@sonyman2112 I tried warm and cold water and also sparkling water - yes!
Hi again, watch still looks like new after four weeks of constant use. I really do think this is a great piece with this colour combination. I visited my local Rolex authorised dealer today trying on a two tone submariner and and coral red oyster, beautiful watches, the ad had never handled a bb58 bronze and was very impressed . A great watch , if you want to keep it looking new just clear wax it and enjoy . Quick clean with a fibre cloth will also keep it in great shape . Thanks again for the video, take care.
Thanks for sharing! Always good to get direct feedback/input from the end-consumer ...
Hi :-) How do you clear wax it / what sort of wax do you use?
Hi,
Please read my previous post as all the information is all there . It’s best to wax from new or after you have cleaned the patina from the watch . Good luck and enjoy this fine piece.
Your content is best in town 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I still in love with my BB58 SS Black dial. Is the BB58 925 also getting some vintage look due time? This bronze looks great as new but for me is a pass now. Great work Alexander! 👌🏻
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! The sterling silver version will also build some patina… how much I don’t know though…
Thank you for this very useful video!!
You are very welcome! Let me know if you have any questions…
Many thanks Alexander for showing us the patina on your watch worn over the past months. In new condition it looks great but over time it adds character to the watch and bracelet. If I pulled the trigger on this piece I'd not 'clean' it as it's condition would reflect my journey with the watch. It would be interesting how well over time the anodized aluminium bezel stands up to the chemical cleaning so as I say if I purchased one it would be worn and enjoyed as the watch and I age.
If it would be mine I would not have cleaned it. That patina adds something special to such a diver… The purpose of the video though was to show both patina and the cleaning… I am happy Tudor let me wear the watch for four months so I could produce this video… the interest and comments are impressive so far …
Thanks for getting back on this matter Alexander. I must say it looks good. Doesn't look like gold but definitely doesn't look like a ship's propeller either.
I am happy to read this! Still the golden looking watch attracts lots of curious looks… I therefore some times didn’t feel comfortable wearing it…
@@WatchAdvisor I share your reservations about looking too ""golden".
Another great and informational video!!
Thanks for your positive feedback!
I like how Alexander says “The Kukident” 🤣🤣🤣😂
I pronounce it in German! That’s how it sounds …
I love this watch. Bronze is definitely a marmite material for watches you either love it or hate it
Yep 👍🏻… you either like or dislike it…
Danke Alexander ! Sehr interessant....
Immer gerne…. Freud mich dass es Dir gefällt!
@@WatchAdvisor habe es bei meiner Wempe Bronze Fliegeruhr probiert und wenn die Uhr über Nacht gebadet wird, sieht sie aus wie neu !
Danke für das Video die Uhr ist mit der Patina um Jahre gealtert. Bronze Uhren ist nicht mein Ding aber trotzdem sehr interessant.....
Ja, und ich fand den Look richtig gut… ich würde meine lassen wie sie ist… das Video sollte lediglich zeigen was passiert wenn man es darauf anlegt…
Great tip and video! The watch is being flipped in the US. Grey market price $7950 (WatchBox has 2) to $7575 (David SW) vs Tudor’s list $4525.
My omega bronze gold seems mostly unchanged from August (maybe some darker shade between the lugs but much less than those ones on this Tudor).
My recommendation: Never ever buy a watch for an overprice! Ignore these greedy resellers and do not support the involved flippers and these greedy ADs making this business possible! Please continue to share some thoughts with us about how you Omega is ageing … I am curious!
@@WatchAdvisor the watch idiot channel has an update on his Tudor 58 925 tarnish just 2 days ago. My omega bronze gold has a much fainter darkening between the lugs (but it is starting to be discernible similar to his 3 month tarnish). My Bronze gold might be headed in the same direction as his silver Tudor (Omega did put some silver in their Bronze alloy).
Quick update Alex, watch is still looking as new after all this time . I haven’t applied any new wax as it doesn’t seem to need it . I haven’t gone swimming with it on either as I’m trying to keep it nice but at some point in summer I will and see how she looks then . Keep up the great videos and thank you again .
Thanks for the update and keep enjoying your Tudor! I love your passion! Thanks for sharing!
Hi can you please let me know what wax / how you apply etc ? Would be very helpful - thanks
Hello, Have you reapplied new wax yet or does your watch still look new? I am getting mine watch in a few days and thinking about doing your process. Thanks.
Quick update, watch is looking like new still, I haven’t immersed the watch in water as I use it as my best watch and want to look after it as keeping at looking as it left the factory. The bracelet is still factory fresh on the inside and the clasp is again shiny as new . The wax in my opinion is a must if you want to keep the factory look.
Beautiful watch with the amazing brown face and bezel insert , looks amazing with nice lighting in restaurants ect . The best Tudor release to date in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing! This is incredible… once I got it from Tudor it started building up patina. I love how passionate you are about this BB58! That’s wonderful! Merry Christmas! 🎄
Thank you and a very merry Christmas to you too.
Will keep up the updates . 👍
@@roe1963 Please!
Hello Alexander, hope you're doing well! Thank you for the video.
I’m fine, thanks for asking and for sharing our passion…
Thanks!!! I love this piece!! I was hesitant because of the bracelet. In the States its called "Efferdent." Could you use a brush while in the solution to get between the links, and a better clean?
I think so! Why not? Every brushing in a way is of course also abrasive, but a soft cleaning won't do any harm I think. These "Kukident" / "Efferent" aren't aggressive at all...
Thanks for such great video, I just got the watch today. I am curious will the kukident deteriorate the bronze alloy ?
Will not! It is not aggressive… people using it would also dissolve their third teeth…
Interesting process. I've got a BBB Grey slate which has a lovely warm patina that has formed over 4 years. Always been curious about making it shiny again, but for now, I think I keep the patina. If you used a toothbrush to assist in the cleaning, would you have risked ruining the brushing effect on the watch?
No soft toothbrush can do any harm to the case… I didn’t do it to show what can be done with already small efforts by dissolving two tablets in warm water…
Great vid! Any issue with the cleaning tabs effecting the gasket and water resistance over time and multiple cleanings?
I can’t talk about long term effects since I did not have the possibility to check that. What is to say that these cleaning tabs are not aggressive and so I don’t expect an issues if you from time to time clean the watch that ways. What happens if you wash it with normal soap under the shower every day?
Thank you for the demonstration. Do you know if there are long term effects to to the bronze with that cleaning method?
No, I do not! But what are the long term effects of the materials/chemicals that turn bronze grey/green?
@@WatchAdvisor the long term effect of patina on bronze is that the patina actually forms a protectively layer preventing corrosion.
Great Video!
Is a brush stroke on the bracelet still appear or it is gone like a polish braclet after cleaning
Thank you 😊
The surface of the bracelet doesn’t change at all when you clean it that way….
I tried with my oris cotton candy bronze and the result is perfect.. better then polish creams for bronze
Thanks for your feedback!
We should enjoy the natural patina of our bronze watch; it reflects our true lifestyle and story.. thanks for sharing your life story! 🎉🕺🍻
I agree! I would not clean mine… the video should just show it is possible…
Firstly you sold me on the Rado Bronze when it first came out. May I suggest anyone interested in a bronze Diver to give it a look. It's considerably less expensive and looks great and has a better depth rating. It also has quick change straps.
That all said I wonder if after the first 30 minute soak you might use a soft tooth brush to finish off those last stubborn sports and shorten the cleaning process.
As for me I have had my Rado about 17 months it looks great and I don't plan on cleaning it. The patina makes it look like it's been on a diving rig or around the docks and 🚢 s. Just the look this desktop diver was going for, oh and the Rado uses a aluminum Bronze alloy also with with a titanium back.
Using a soft brush of course would have accelerated the cleaning process… but I intentionally did not do it to show how efficient already in one single hour you can clean a bronze watch… I wanted to exclude all separate efforts and I think the result is impressive…
Hi Alex! I really enjoyed you video and plan to pick up a BB58 Bronze for myself. IMO, the bronze and brown color way is different enough to match just about anything you can wear (clothing). As for my question - do you experience and discoloration on your wrist when wearing the watch a lot? I tend to wear my watches for weeks on end and I’ve heard a few stories of green wrists because of the BB58. Just curious about your experience. Thanks and take care!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! I do not possess the BB58… it was a watch Tudor gave me to do the review… so I can’t answer correctly… Sorry! But IMHO this kind of coloration of your wrist should not be the case…
@@WatchAdvisor Thanks for letting me know! I assumed the 58 Bronze was your personal watch.
@@WatchAdvisor so you lied in the video about weeks of wearing. Got it.
@@chrisrichardson4899 NO! How dare you accusing me lying??? What a meaningless and arrogant comment! I was given the watch to wear it for more than two months… but then I gave it back to Tudor…
it discolors my wrist. not horrible but if i wear it every day i start to get a green tint to the wrist. if i alternate it with another watch it isn't bad.
Great update video! Judging by the coloured-steel case back which stays gold, I think you could have cleaned the watch even more. When the bronze matches the case back, then you'll know it's pristine clean.
This was not the purpose in the video. I wanted to show that it is very easy and what can be done in only one hour. Of course cleaning it longer and also using a soft brush will take of all remaking patina…
Great video! Did the watch stain your wrist or cause any color on your wrist from wearing it? I saw from Suffolk watch collector on TH-cam and it stained his wrist a lot. Thanks!
Zero! Absolutely not! The material is a ski friendly aluminum bronze alloy. You only have issues with pure bronze cases…
In hot humid weather, where I live, I absolutely get a green stain on my wrist. I don't mind though, it's a beautiful watch! On super hot days I just wear a SS piece instead.
@@seandavie3672 thanks for the feedback, figured this had to be true on humid / muggy days when your wrist is sweating.
@@seandavie3672 Wasn’t able to experience this… not all summer long…
Wear my full bronze BB in hot humid Dubai and 100% my wrist ends up green every day. As do shirt cuffs. Weirdly also pillow at night… I actually stopped wearing it and despite loving the watch I really wish I’d bought a Pelagos instead
Great video thanks for sharing! I personally would take off the bracelet and clean it this way. For the watch case itself I'd do another way because I wouldn't want to put the aluminum bezel in the chemical water for such long time.
I hear you, thanks for sharing! Since there is no official recipe every input is very much welcome…
Thanks Alexander, great video..but I think I’ll still with my stainless steel BB58..👍
I hear you! That’s for sure also a good choice…
Great video Alexander absolutely love this watch. Unfortunately, this watch is not available in Tudor retailers in the U.S. Seriously thinking about coming to Europe to pick this up. Just an awesome watch. Thanks for the detailed review.
It is available in the US. You have to go the new boutique in NYC.
@george varughese Yes! Check this link please... www.tourneau.com/watches/brands/tudor/
Same treatment as an espresso machine! very ingenius! Nice video!
Yes! You seem to like good Italian coffee… Welcome to the club! 😉
@@WatchAdvisor Italian with more Austrian culture coffee JM ( J Meinl!)
@@tiberiuvincze8288 I hear you! 😉
Thanks for this video! I wear by black bay bronze in and around the ocean but I never take it into my pool. The patina is incredible after 2 years, with highlights and overall a dark character to the case, it is (to me) superior to any other bronze watch patina I’ve seen, characterful but classy, no green. Jealous of the bronze bracelet!
Cool! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! May your BB58 always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
Thanks for the video! I'm enjoying mine, but I couldn't let it get so patininated as yours before it got a bath! I use polydent here in Australia.
Thanks for sharing! It was the salt water & sun cream mix that accelerated the “tan” dramatically…
In Singapore. I used Polident. And it works as well. Thank you for your video!
Thanks for sharing with us!
Hey Andrew which exact Polident line of product did you purchase? Could you be kind enough to send the product link here?
Thank you so much! I thought it would be darker .
Nope! And I really stressed the watch in these four months… It was reasonably ageing…
Goodness! I used those cleaning tablets long long time ago when I had my teeth bracelet. Never thought that those tablet can be used on bronze watches.
It is one good way to softly clean the surface - yes!
I've been wearing mine for 2 months and half now during office, household chores, shower, hand washing, outdoor activities and swimming pool (except beach).. but it never get that same patina as yours..
It is in fact the salt water (salt in general … me sweating…) that caused lots of patina…
@@WatchAdvisor thanks for the info. i guess, i will just use it casually and make sure not to bring it in seawater. lol
Alexander, Greetings from behind the mask at Gulag Covid OZ,
Tudor has a nice 43 cm Black Bay Bronze that has great potential. A choice of different coloured dials. and beezel would be great.
That watch band, in my opinion is great.
A watch collector who I have just met, informed me that he uses diluted malt vinegar (50/50) to clean his bronze watches, if he doesn't like the patenia. Have yu hear this?
I am sure that there are different approaches/possibilities to clean a bronze watch… the one you described is new to me though… those tablets do a great job and most important it is not an aggressive cleaning of the watch…
Thanks for the review, Arnold….
You are welcome! Please share your own experiences when cleaning the watch….
In the videos, the watch looks great. I love my Navy Blue Black Bay 58. I managed to order this version from a boutique. When it arrived, I could not warm up to it (I tried). You need to wear mostly earth-tone clothing. It was never going to work with my blue shirts (in the videos, it's hard to understand this). Many photos make it look dark, like it would go with a wider variety of clothing. In person (in most daylight), the bezel looks like a beautiful copper, and the chocolate brown on the dial dominates it. I even tried my shirts that are camouflage green. The combination did not pop for me. I dumped this watch quickly within a day (at a significant loss). DO NOT ORDER IT ONLINE WITHOUT TRYING IT ON FIRST. It's not the bronze metal that is the problem. It's the copper/chocolate combination on the bezel and dial. More than any other Black Bay, try this on before buying.
Thanks for sharing! Direct feedback from the community is the best we can get... Good input!
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Thanks! How much patina would you allow yours to have?
Alexander Panerai suggest leaving it overnight in the dental tablets and water. Excellent channel, I appreciate you!
Thanks for letting us know! My purpose was to show what can be done in just one hour… and I said it in the video that of course it helps to leave it longer in that “bath”…
I don’t know if they sell that product in USA. Is there other similar cleaning tablets product?
I am sure! Just look for a quality product to softly clean third teeth …
Any denture cleaning tablets work great.
it looks like you brought it from Titanic. what a drastic change only in just 3 months.
I must say I was heavily using it… sweat, chlorine, salt, sun cream… that of course accelerated the buildup of patina … but as you see one can easily clean it…
Wow! Good advice!
A smooth way to clean a bronze case/bracelet… when you are done please share some thoughts with us
@@WatchAdvisor I wonder this method helps with removing the tarnish on my wife’s 925 BB58 case.
@@konww002 It works with bronze… but with sterling silver??? I wish I could give you an advice…
THANK YOU:)
You're welcome!
Hey Alex, Have just watched this video for the fourth time - very well produced and presented, as always - and I have one question and one comment: In real life - as opposed to in front of the lens - do you not think that the bright, white lumed indices are a bit “in your face” on this very retro looking piece? Would more subdued faux-patina not have been more appropriate? And I do feel that the text at 6 o’clock would look much better reversed; longest line to the top, shortest to the bottom. Have a great weekend, my friend.
Thanks for your kind feedback! The only way to find out IMHO is to try the BB 58 Bronze on your wrist in different light conditions... then let your heart decide... it won't lie....
@@WatchAdvisor Hey Alex, You are right yet again, my friend... Visited the Tudor Boutique in Meadowhall, Sheffield today (Only been on their wait-list for 2 months!) and saw the Bronze Beast “in the metal” for the first time... The lumed indices are NOT bright white as most TH-cam videos and review still photos suggest... They are, in fact, a gorgeous, subdued greeny-cream. I am now the proud owner of a Bronze BB58.
Shout out to Ryan at Beaverbrooks’ Sheffield: Great bloke!
any long term affects on the water proof seals? wonder if this will work on the bb58 925 ?!
You should anyhow check water tightnesses with every diver once a year… so the risk is not high… The sterling silver one will also build up patina - yes!
WOW~~~ THANK YOU VERY MUCH~~~~!!!!
You are very welcome 🙏🏻
Bro, do you have any tips on how to remove tough and hardened water marks on a Rolex steel bracelet? Appreciate it :)
Try the same kind of cleaning process I described in the video… should perfectly work too…
Could you review the meteorite GMT Master 2? Since you did the meteorite Daytona.
Not planed or in the pipeline for the moment …
Is this actually part of your personal collection, Alexander? If so, awesome! I am also an Alexander that owns it!
Alexander, no this watch belongs to Tudor. I am happy that I could use it for four months to first show it to you when Tudor presented it and then to make this video.
Would be interesting to do the same exercise with the much more expensive Chronoscope bronze gold since many claim it won’t suffer the same effect over time.
I am working on getting a bronze-gold watch from Omega to do a comparable long term test…
Do you know if it makes a great difference if the bronze watch is kept unworn ?
Also unworn there will be patina after some time, much less of course…
Thanks.
Does this process remove material from the watch? Or can this be done indefinitely?
The process removes patina and dirt, but no material of course… you use these Kukident tablets to clean a dental prosthesis and not destroying it…
Interessant. Aber sind Sie sich sicher, dass das Kukident die Dichtungen der Uhr nicht angreift?? Und wie reagiert später die Bronzelegierung? Kann es nicht zu schlimmen Verfärbungen kommen?
Viele haben in den Kommentaren bestätigt, dass die Reinigung so sehr gut klappt und es keine “Nebenwirkungen” gibt… Kukident sind ja nicht aggressiv. Die Frage ist was man will… wenn Du Zweifel hast, dann lass die BB einfach “altern” und erfreue Dich an ihren vielen Facetten…
It looks amazing with the patina, but I'm not a fan of the stock look. Why did you wash it off???
The watch belongs to Tudor, I was wearing and ageing it by purpose to also be able to show you the cleaning process … I personally would not clean it though… I loved the patina very much…
Great video. It seems that it will not go back to original shine unless you use Brasso.
I “only” cleaned it for one hour … if I would have left it for hours probably it looked even better thereafter…
@@WatchAdvisor quite possibly.
@@j.t1682 what exactly do you mean?
@@WatchAdvisor the fact is bronze once tarnished will not likely be restored to Original finish unless you use Brasso which will take away some brushed finish. Silver is much easier to the best of my knowledge.
@@j.t1682 Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing!
is that normal to have some green in the edge
Yes! Absolutely...
@@WatchAdvisor just wonder if it will remain as green or will further turn in dark stain pattern
Hi, I’ve got same bronze mix alloy watcth @#ezawatch model Selander full bronze case with steel back case and it’s like your Tudor black bay this kind off bronze CUAI9)doesn’t goes green like the other bronze alloy mixes, the bracelets are not fully bronze , only the pin buckle clasp and from what I’ve seen in your Tudor it goes exactly the same when I want it to take out the ( patina, oxidation etc.) just use a little of silver product in a small quantity on a 100 % cotton piece of cloth very carefully then gently use another micro fiber just to bring it back like new that’s it ! Didn’t know about that solution 👍 next time have to do it ( do you use warm water? How long? ) and by the way how is your Sinn 105 UTC is going on ? I’ve a 104 and want to buy the 105 UTC but not sure if the black dial ( like my 104) is cool or a white dial ? By the way what do you think about the bead blasted case and H link bracelets ? Love the new Longines I’ve review in Longines factory but a push pin bracelet come on ?!
Does it sctrach it easy or are ok ? All the best and keep your channel always like this ! 💯👍
Just follow the instructions of the cleaning product... applies also for it... do not overdo it...
Do you think it is also possible to clean it 100% like it came out of the boutique?
Don’t think so… once the patina build-up starts the surface will never be the same again… After cleaning it will look like new, but not as it was when you bought it…
@@WatchAdvisor so there will always be some "spots" left? :)
@@WatchAdvisor that certainly depends on the type of alloy used. I've seen bronze watches being as new when 'cleaned' up.
@@TheOverpwned Can be... Yes!
For this piece, is it good to leave patina all alone? Is it possible to clean the watch without harm to patina? I never owned a bronze watch before.
Patina does no harm to the watch, just changes the look of it... If you wish to clean it you can always do it easily
Patina will protect the surface of the metal. If you want to clean the watch without removing patina, you can just use a soft cloth to clean it. People remove patina because they want it to look new or they want to start the new patina process.
Does the bracelet lose any flexibility or become stiff when it patinas like this?
No! Absolutely not! Same haptic ...
you should really find out if those acids damage the o-rings inside the bezel assembly or the glue holding lume-pip etc..
This cleaning tabs are not aggressive at all… if they were they would destroy the third teeth they are supposed to clean every day… there are other liquids a watch comes in contact with on a daily base that are mich more aggressive…
love this watch and thanks for sharing the tips to patina.
Biggest problem to this watch is that it is not attainable at AD and I do not want to entertain the Rolex game and pay premium in grey market (even though it is only 10-20 percent for this one )
You are welcome! I love your open and clear words concerning the surplus one has to pay to get BB58… Don’t support that stupid, artificial created, greedy business - YES!
@@WatchAdvisor yes , I have read your other video explaining the Rolex situation with your friend’s example walking into a store wanting to get one but being insulted by the staff. A lot of the points you mention resonates me and I share the same view and have not been buying any Rolex in recent year , my last purchase of Rolex was back in 2014 when they first launched the Batman GMT after Basel world in 2013, back then was still able to walk in and buy at normal retail. Ever since I switched to explore other brands and that is why I learned about your channel when I was researching about the JLC Polaris mariner date around a year ago!
Keep it up and love your video style !
I have gotten one at the boutique in HK after waiting 3 months. So don't give up
@@gerritdee1957 that is great to know as emperor jewellery refused to let people sign up for queue, I signed up at another AD Chow Sang Sang online since Feb 2022, hope to get mine one day in 2022 !
@@gerritdee1957 I got lucky , I signed up another smaller AD last week and got called up to pick up within a week! I am enjoying my bb 58 bronze now and observing the color change of the bracelet!
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
A "WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" for the watch, the cleaning or the video?
Thank very much for sharing this experience… it seems that bronze is definitely not my style😃
Thanks for sharing our passion!Tastes are different, of course…
So you don't use brush to clean it at all?
@@mocha8232 Well I didn’t … it depends on the amount of patina and how much of it you want to clean/take away…
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Any follow ups sometime later? Did the watch age the same again or did there appear some stains or irregular patina etc?
I don’t have the watch anymore… Tudor got it back meanwhile… But to answer your question: buildup of patina of course continued … IMHO the best to do is to clean from time to time and to cultivate some cool looking patina…
Do those tabs come with the watch?
😉😂.
If you buy a Rolex in London, they include a bodyguard.
Love your comment!
Cool stuff. Didn’t know. I should have taken one the AD offered some months aho
You should - yes! With a little bit of patience you should be able to get one again though…
Wish this would come with the Pelagos' spring loaded clasps but in bronze.
That’s something Tudor can change in the future… time will tell…
the best BB58 (so far)
Did you like how it aged?
Will this cleaning solution also work on the black bay 58 925 silver? Thanks 🙏
No idea! Sorry!
I believe that lemon juice does the job perfectly.
Can’t confirm! Had no good results and lemon juice is aggressive… use such capsules (60 pieces for 3,99 Euro) they do a perfect and smooth job…
I even used lemon acid and the result isnt good.
Try the Kuckident way of the force or backing soda...
Just pressed buy for one 😅 will be the first watch I have ever paid over retail
How much over retail? When will you get it?
@@WatchAdvisor It was just shy of 5000€, so not much over, but I did break my (unbreakable) rule over this 😄. I will get it on Monday. Just checked the UPS tracking and the watch has entered the country. I think it was a very reasonable price for a 2022 full set. If there is patina present I will for sure "reset" the parina with this trick and start from the beginning. Already bought the tablets, so thank you for the tip! Also great videos overall 👌
@@RobTaBier Well done... some times we make exceptions... I know! May your BB58 always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours...
Can the clasp fit the bracelet of stainless steel BB58?
Why would you want to mix the two materials?
@@WatchAdvisor Not mix two materials, but in case Tudor release a steel version of this bracelet
As far as I know a steel version is in the pipeline…
@@WatchAdvisor Any knowledge about a titanium BB58？😋
I purchased four pcs of jewelry cleaning cloth from Amazon....I clean everyday.....And it shiny like new........Each day...Say no to patina.:)
To what extend is such a cleaning tissue really keeping a case free of patina? How are you using/wearing your watch on a daily base?
First of all thank you very much for the very interesting video Alexander but there’s no way I’ll buy a bronze time piece 😂👍
I hear you! Tastes are different… Thanks for sharing our passion!
Mine BB B 39.....I clean each day and shine each day.....No patina.
👍🏼
How do you clean it
I love my Navy Blue Black Bay 58. I managed to order this version from a boutique. When it arrived, I could not warm up to it (I tried). You need to wear mostly earth-tone clothing. It was never going to work with my blue shirts (in the videos, it's hard to understand this). Many photos make it look dark, like it would go with a wider variety of clothing. In person (in most daylight), the bezel looks like a beautiful copper, and the chocolate brown on the dial dominates it. I even tried my shirts that are camouflage green. The combination did not pop for me. I dumped this watch quickly within a day (at a significant loss). DO NOT ORDER IT ONLINE WITHOUT TRYING IT ON FIRST. It's not the bronze metal that is the problem. It's the copper/chocolate combination on the bezel and dial. More than any other Black Bay, try this on before buying.
Thanks for sharing! Direct feedback from the community is the best we can get... Good input!
Wise words!
This watch is a boutique exclusive - how did you order it online?
Im trying to find this product. but I only see Kukident for dental cleaners? is this the same ?
Yes! It is an effective and soft cleaning alternative…
The bracelet taper is far less subtle than, for example, a rolex submariner isn't it. I'd not noticed the step in the link sizes before seeing this vid. Cheers 9:44
Is it good or bad news?
@@WatchAdvisor it's a sign of where the manufacturing cost are being kept down by Tudor, just an observation really.
I hear you…
Do you think it could be mistaken for a gold watch? I like it but I'm worried about the attention it might attract.
Yes, absolutely! I was questioned a lot about this BB58 since it looks like a gold watch and my friends know that I don’t wear any gold watches normally…
@@WatchAdvisor damn, that's what I was afraid off. Although it seems like that wouldn't be an issue once it develops a patina.
Patina for sure helps… but only when someone gets close to the watch… from a distance you can still think it is gold …
Can this damage the aluminium bezel ?
Not that I know!
The main killer of anodised aluminium is alkalie of any description. Most denture cleaners have citric acid and sodium salts to act as a buffer to maintain the pH. If the pH of the solution is less than 7, it should be OK.
@@SJCB27 Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing! I use them for years to deep clean various watch-cases and I never had any issues …
@@WatchAdvisor Hi Alex, As you point out in the video, Tudor use an aluminium bronze alloy, which offers corrosion resistance in sea water. The aluminium reacts with atmospheric oxygen to form a thin layer of aluminium oxide, which acts as a barrier to corrosion. Immersion in the cleaning solution will, no doubt, remove some of this layer. The bezel is made of anodised aluminium. Anodising is the controlled deposition of an oxide film via an electrolytic process and is unlikely to be very thick. So, while the occasional hour or so in your cleaning solution should do “what it says on the tin”, I would council against advising folks to leave their pride and joy soaking overnight! Should the anodic film on the bezel insert be compromised, then you would open a bi-metallic corrosion can of worms... BTW, your two excellent videos have helped persuade me to add my name to the wait list at my nearest Boutique.
@@SJCB27 Again super interesting, thanks for sharing… I bath my watch-heads and bracelets only for a short time in that cleaning solution. Of course the watches don’t look new thereafter, but almost… If you have questions about watches always let me know…
does cleaning a bronze watch damage it at the same time?
There will not be any damage. These tablets are cleaning softly as they softly clean so called third teeth... Imagine what would happen to them if these tables are aggressive...
so it’s been a million years already?
Can you please specify? I don't get the point ...
Lemon juice diluted in water. Drop the watch in for about 5 mins. Rinse. Brings my bronze watch back to “like new”.
I had no good experiences with lemon juice though… especially five minutes aren’t enough…
True, lemon juice worked well on my Yema Superman Bronze Heritage.
@@WatchAdvisor maybe it’s this particular alloy that lemon juice cannot clean? Possible?
@@christ6874 i put mine in lemon juice and lemon acid and it didnt worked!
I mechanically used a tooth brush and a micro faber cleaning blanket.
GET TO THA CHOPPER !!!!!!!
What are you referring to? My accent?
@@WatchAdvisor yes sir
@@victorpla16 🤣🤣🤣👍🏼 🇦🇹 I am proud to be Austrian … 🇦🇹
The patina on the watch case looks awesome. The bracelet however, is not so good.
Would you want to buy it with the bracelet?
@@WatchAdvisor Yes. But I would clean it a lot to keep it shiny.
That’s feasible… in the comments here you will find lots of good advices …