In answer to your question about Eliza's letters. The part in the song where she says she is ""..Erasing herself from the narrative.." is true. None of the letters Hamilton would have wrote her have ever been found. Its assumed she burned them all, after the pamphlets reached her.
Almost all the letters Eliza wrote Hamilton from their entire time together are gone. Wives of "important" men destroyed their correspondence for privacy reasons... & most of the letters Hamilton wrote Eliza at this time are gone (both during the affair and right before & after the Reynolds Pamphlet was wrote & published) but there are some really really beautiful ones from their courtship & beyond that lasts. & until her death Eliza even wore a trinket around her neck that contained a poem Ham wrote in a letter. & two of the last letter's Hamilton wrote were to Eliza. Some beautiful words there as well.
There is also no record of how exactly she reacted to this scandal, everything are just speculations, so that like 'let future historians wonder how Eliza reacted when you broke her heart' came true.
@@annalisehua well we do know that she was upset with him at first but they got back together after Philips death. You know after she put herself back in the narrative when Hamilton died
@@SalvoG I lost it when Jonathan Groff/King George III came out and started dancing...then lost it again when I spotted the dude doing the WAP dance in the background. 🤣
@@SalvoG They actually didn't have stage direction for that part, they just got "go wild". (Also I love that Daveed hands a copy of the pamphlet to the conductor)
You should definitely search for "Congratulations". It was shorten and blended into The Reynolds Pamphlet, but the full version is amazing. Mostly Angelica roasting Ham for his poor choices
hurricane holds one of my favorite lines in the show, the one thats most significant to me in my life “and when my prayers to god were met with indifference i picked up a pen, i wrote my own deliverance.” its so raw and sometimes all you have are your words, no one’s there to save you except yourself
When I first watched Hamilton, "Hurricane" was my least favorite song. I didn't dislike it, I just liked almost everything else more, LOL. But over time, it really grew on me, largely due to that line.
I actually saw it a bit as his arrogance. Because it's often through other people that the Lord answers your prayers. Those people came forward and gave him donations. Where they not from God? And latter after his son dies he is much more humble and talks about how he has started praying again.
@@kellharris2491 Ooh I like this interpretation. I sign of both how he has handled all the misfortune that has come his way (his resilience and self-confidence in his abilities), but also potentially how myopic/egocentric he became in his success and not appreciating the help he received along the way.
Fun little fact, During The Reynolds Pamphlet, right before they say "his poor wife" Jefferson handed a pamphlet to Alex Lacamore in the Orchestra pit.
Yep! And during the live show I saw on tour, the conductor of the orchestra pulled out a pamphlet he had hiding and held it up for everyone to see. 😂 it was one of my favorite moments of the show
I love how I just noticed this... When Hamilton is determined to "write his way out" the company was singing "wait for it wait for it" as if telling him that a good decision is to just wait for the rumors to be published cause that way it'll be easier for him to deny the accusations but instead he pushed through with revealing the pamphlet.
And when he says “I couldn’t seem to die” the company sings wait for it which is Arron burrs song basically telling him to wait bc burr will shoot him later on 👍
There is a video called First Burn, which has several actresses who have played Eliza in various different productions. The song is the first take Lin made to "Burn", which is much more full of disappointment and rougher. I really recommend you watch it.
Once you've watched the whole musical I highly recommend going through and looking up the deleted tracks -- in particular there's one that expands on Angelica returning from London and what she says to Hamilton that got cut down into what you see during The Reynolds Pamphlet called "Congratulations" and it's amazing and brutal all at the same time. Loving these reactions!
If you haven’t yet, check out “Congratulations” which is a cut song. If you think Angelica was harsh during “The Reynold’s Pamphlet”, she’s absolutely savage in that. Also watch “First Burn”, which is an alternate/first draft version of Burn, making Eliza sound more angry than heartbroken. It’s sung by five actresses who all played Eliza in different productions of Hamilton. I believe the “Burn” that was used was best for the musical and its tone, but “First Burn” is still a great listen.
a few fun facts! 1) the upwards birdseye view camera shot during the Reynolds Pamphlet where you see hamilton in the center kinda alone is supposed to show how even though hes surrounded by people and being made fun of, he's completely alone. 2) during that same shot you can see some of the ensemble doing sexual moves to mock what hamilton did. 3) the paper that eliza burns during Burn was like....calculated and made so exact that the flame runs out exactly once eliza walks off the stage!
Bouncing off your 1st fact is that the whole song also imitates a hurricane with Hamilton in the center and the whirlwind of his actions surrounding him. Also your point in 3 I think it was a special paper that takes like a certain amount or time burn or something, they also printed some of the letters written onto that (there were still a couple they manged to find)
Yeah, Alexander had choices, and they were all bad ones. Mind you, they were choices brought on by his own choice not to keep his little Ham in his pants, but still, he was left with no good choices. Mind you, with the way Hamilton was, there wasn't really a choice after all. Dude was obviously going to attack this head on, even if the truth hurt him and his family.
Eliza was one of the only members of the revolutionary generation to make it to see the Civil war. in her later years many politicians would make a pilgrimage to see and talk to her about Washington and Alexander, and even Thomas Jefferson, including a certain Abraham Lincoln. The Washington memorial was build due to her efforts to raise money and get public approval.
There is a cut piece called "Congratulations", that Renee (Angelica) performed for the crowd outside the theatre once. It would've come between the pamphlet and "Burn", and it fills in a neat bit of information: Wild accusations weren't unusual, but Hamilton, in contrast to his competitors, made the mistake of responding to them. The others just ignored them all, him responding showed that there was truth to them.
I really love how invested you are in this story. so much so that the questions you are asking are answered very quickly after you've asked them haha. can't wait to see you finish the rest. believe it or not, you still ain't seen nothin' yet. ❤️
Interestingly, while the correspondence between Alexander & Eliza Hamilton and George & Martha Washington doesn’t survive, the letters between John & Abigail Adams do and were part of the basis for the musical “1776”- their duets are taken from the letters they exchanged.
Another thing (not relating to this song) is that earlier Angelica says "when i meet thomas jefferson." They were in 2 songs together (R.P and W.L.W.D.W.T.Y.S, correct me if im wrong and they never interacted.)
Eliza was, at the time, kinda cornered. Women still didn't hold a lot of rights or status, even her with her family name not. She couldn't bear the stigma of divorce. She also had six (?) children with him, AND it would've cast a bad light on even her parents if she had divorced him. So by somewhat taking control of the narrative (as far as she could, which was purely in retrospective) she did as much as she could.
You know I never understood why Hamilton paid Reynold It’d be so easy to just say I didn’t do that He has so much more influence You coulda smashed her and not have to deal with people thinking you embezzled government funds
Going back to the idea of the ensemble being a Greek chorus, as Hamilton is trying to decide what to do, they’re telling him to just WAIT, take a breath, and let the hurricane blow over. It’s haunting cause it’s like they know what’s happening and is going to happen, and it’s almost their attempt to stop whats happening in the story. Unfortunately, we already know what’s happened so the trajectory of the story is already set and there’s nothing they or anyone else can do about it.
Just wondering, wtf happened to Peggy, it was said in the beginning that she also had a connection with Hamilton, why she didnt show up is werid. Tf she doing?
She died, but there wasn't enough time/wasn't close enough to the story of Hamilton to go into that. Other thing is the actress who plays Peggy is the same one as Maria Reynolds.
So they took some liberties with the history of this. It's entirely possible his affair would never have gone public. but what happened was there was a congressional and NYS investigation into corruption in wall street and the treasury department. Hamilton was assisting the investigation, and it seems discovered several members of the treasury department and NY politicians werre enriching themselves illegally. one of those NY politicians was Aaron Burr. While Hamilton had a fairly acrimonous relationship with burr, he couldn't allow the US National Bank and Wallstreet, his legacy and what he rightfully believed the engine which would cement america as a great nation get destroyed by a scandal from some corrupt politicians. so he confessed to the affair publicly, in an effort to bury the story about the public corruption, and had the public corruption handled on the side with resignations and fines which recouped the losses while allowing the corrupt officials to save face. In short he blew up his own political future (he probably would have been the next president) in order to save the economic system he setup. In fact its believed he struck a deal with jefferson prior to his public declaration of the affair, in order to get jefferson's oath to not touch wall street or the national bank in exchange for his political suicide and guaranteeing his presidential election (you'll note he stumps for jefferson against burr) the play skips those details because it would confuse the narrative throughline they're trying to build with Burr.
One of the issues (in real life) was that the public was also getting suspicious, and without explanation, it would have spiraled and ruined his whole career/legacy. They kinda mention this in the musical, right before Hurricane at the end of We know, Burr says that "rumors only grow" (or something similar) and during the Reynolds pamphlet song you hear the lines "at least he was honest with our money" sung by the ensemble. Which were basically the public reacting and showing there was some speculation.
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Fun fact about “Burn”. There was an exhaustive search for paper that would burn for just the right amount of time
In answer to your question about Eliza's letters. The part in the song where she says she is ""..Erasing herself from the narrative.." is true. None of the letters Hamilton would have wrote her have ever been found. Its assumed she burned them all, after the pamphlets reached her.
Almost all the letters Eliza wrote Hamilton from their entire time together are gone. Wives of "important" men destroyed their correspondence for privacy reasons...
& most of the letters Hamilton wrote Eliza at this time are gone (both during the affair and right before & after the Reynolds Pamphlet was wrote & published) but there are some really really beautiful ones from their courtship & beyond that lasts. & until her death Eliza even wore a trinket around her neck that contained a poem Ham wrote in a letter. & two of the last letter's Hamilton wrote were to Eliza. Some beautiful words there as well.
There is also no record of how exactly she reacted to this scandal, everything are just speculations, so that like 'let future historians wonder how Eliza reacted when you broke her heart' came true.
@@annalisehua well we do know that she was upset with him at first but they got back together after Philips death. You know after she put herself back in the narrative when Hamilton died
@@kasitythis is actually untrue. Eliza was very supportive of Alexander Hamilton despite the affair.
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I'm convinced "The Reynolds Pamphlet" was just an excuse for the cast to wild out. 😅
i swear lol
@@SalvoG I lost it when Jonathan Groff/King George III came out and started dancing...then lost it again when I spotted the dude doing the WAP dance in the background. 🤣
@@SalvoG They actually didn't have stage direction for that part, they just got "go wild".
(Also I love that Daveed hands a copy of the pamphlet to the conductor)
You should definitely search for "Congratulations". It was shorten and blended into The Reynolds Pamphlet, but the full version is amazing. Mostly Angelica roasting Ham for his poor choices
Roasted and glazed
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@SalvoG Congratulations reaction when????
@@mareksison it would have to be an animated one since it wasn’t featured in the version on Disney+
@@patrickmcguire7896 I was thinking of either Ham4Hame or Dessa's rendition of it in the Mixtape
hurricane holds one of my favorite lines in the show, the one thats most significant to me in my life
“and when my prayers to god were met with indifference i picked up a pen, i wrote my own deliverance.” its so raw and sometimes all you have are your words, no one’s there to save you except yourself
When I first watched Hamilton, "Hurricane" was my least favorite song. I didn't dislike it, I just liked almost everything else more, LOL. But over time, it really grew on me, largely due to that line.
So true
I usually didn't wind Lin the strongest performer and yet his version of In the eye of a the hurricane was so strong.
I actually saw it a bit as his arrogance. Because it's often through other people that the Lord answers your prayers. Those people came forward and gave him donations. Where they not from God? And latter after his son dies he is much more humble and talks about how he has started praying again.
@@kellharris2491 Ooh I like this interpretation. I sign of both how he has handled all the misfortune that has come his way (his resilience and self-confidence in his abilities), but also potentially how myopic/egocentric he became in his success and not appreciating the help he received along the way.
Fun little fact, During The Reynolds Pamphlet, right before they say "his poor wife" Jefferson handed a pamphlet to Alex Lacamore in the Orchestra pit.
Yep! And during the live show I saw on tour, the conductor of the orchestra pulled out a pamphlet he had hiding and held it up for everyone to see. 😂 it was one of my favorite moments of the show
I love how I just noticed this... When Hamilton is determined to "write his way out" the company was singing "wait for it wait for it" as if telling him that a good decision is to just wait for the rumors to be published cause that way it'll be easier for him to deny the accusations but instead he pushed through with revealing the pamphlet.
And when he says “I couldn’t seem to die” the company sings wait for it which is Arron burrs song basically telling him to wait bc burr will shoot him later on 👍
"Wait for it wait for it" "eyes on you"
There is a video called First Burn, which has several actresses who have played Eliza in various different productions. The song is the first take Lin made to "Burn", which is much more full of disappointment and rougher. I really recommend you watch it.
“I’ve seen how you look at my sister” is such a mic drop line in that song. It’s great.
Once you've watched the whole musical I highly recommend going through and looking up the deleted tracks -- in particular there's one that expands on Angelica returning from London and what she says to Hamilton that got cut down into what you see during The Reynolds Pamphlet called "Congratulations" and it's amazing and brutal all at the same time. Loving these reactions!
If you haven’t yet, check out “Congratulations” which is a cut song. If you think Angelica was harsh during “The Reynold’s Pamphlet”, she’s absolutely savage in that.
Also watch “First Burn”, which is an alternate/first draft version of Burn, making Eliza sound more angry than heartbroken. It’s sung by five actresses who all played Eliza in different productions of Hamilton. I believe the “Burn” that was used was best for the musical and its tone, but “First Burn” is still a great listen.
a few fun facts! 1) the upwards birdseye view camera shot during the Reynolds Pamphlet where you see hamilton in the center kinda alone is supposed to show how even though hes surrounded by people and being made fun of, he's completely alone. 2) during that same shot you can see some of the ensemble doing sexual moves to mock what hamilton did. 3) the paper that eliza burns during Burn was like....calculated and made so exact that the flame runs out exactly once eliza walks off the stage!
Bouncing off your 1st fact is that the whole song also imitates a hurricane with Hamilton in the center and the whirlwind of his actions surrounding him.
Also your point in 3 I think it was a special paper that takes like a certain amount or time burn or something, they also printed some of the letters written onto that (there were still a couple they manged to find)
7:19 for the overshot
“I wonder if any of these letters are still in circulation.. let’s see”😳🤣🤣
Yeah, Alexander had choices, and they were all bad ones. Mind you, they were choices brought on by his own choice not to keep his little Ham in his pants, but still, he was left with no good choices. Mind you, with the way Hamilton was, there wasn't really a choice after all. Dude was obviously going to attack this head on, even if the truth hurt him and his family.
Eliza was one of the only members of the revolutionary generation to make it to see the Civil war. in her later years many politicians would make a pilgrimage to see and talk to her about Washington and Alexander, and even Thomas Jefferson, including a certain Abraham Lincoln. The Washington memorial was build due to her efforts to raise money and get public approval.
The Reynolds pamphlet was the longest thing I've ever read
Thank you for these Hamilton reactions Salvo G, I love watching these with you 🌈☀️❤️
There is a cut piece called "Congratulations", that Renee (Angelica) performed for the crowd outside the theatre once. It would've come between the pamphlet and "Burn", and it fills in a neat bit of information: Wild accusations weren't unusual, but Hamilton, in contrast to his competitors, made the mistake of responding to them. The others just ignored them all, him responding showed that there was truth to them.
I really love how invested you are in this story. so much so that the questions you are asking are answered very quickly after you've asked them haha. can't wait to see you finish the rest. believe it or not, you still ain't seen nothin' yet. ❤️
😎 The energy behind it all. So Cool
Interestingly, while the correspondence between Alexander & Eliza Hamilton and George & Martha Washington doesn’t survive, the letters between John & Abigail Adams do and were part of the basis for the musical “1776”- their duets are taken from the letters they exchanged.
I just subscribed so I can watch you discover Hamilton. OMG. So much is coming. Eliza. ❤️
the king being in this was hilarious
The sass is everything 😂
Another thing (not relating to this song) is that earlier Angelica says "when i meet thomas jefferson." They were in 2 songs together (R.P and W.L.W.D.W.T.Y.S, correct me if im wrong and they never interacted.)
Bro what’s that second one?
It took me about 5 times watching Hamilton on Disney plus to understand it
Took me about 9 times cause I was 8 when I heard it
If you get the chance, you should check out the Hamilton Drunk History episode. It's got some fun new stories and it's hilarious
Your dropped jaw was priceless
When
Salvo- I’m assuming their entire relationship is ruined
Eliza’s life- 😔
Hamilfans- 😡
im lovin these reaction videos of hamilton
Eliza was, at the time, kinda cornered. Women still didn't hold a lot of rights or status, even her with her family name not. She couldn't bear the stigma of divorce. She also had six (?) children with him, AND it would've cast a bad light on even her parents if she had divorced him. So by somewhat taking control of the narrative (as far as she could, which was purely in retrospective) she did as much as she could.
You might want to check out Hamilton's First Burn. A longer version of Burn 🙂
You know I never understood why Hamilton paid Reynold
It’d be so easy to just say I didn’t do that
He has so much more influence
You coulda smashed her and not have to deal with people thinking you embezzled government funds
Going back to the idea of the ensemble being a Greek chorus, as Hamilton is trying to decide what to do, they’re telling him to just WAIT, take a breath, and let the hurricane blow over.
It’s haunting cause it’s like they know what’s happening and is going to happen, and it’s almost their attempt to stop whats happening in the story. Unfortunately, we already know what’s happened so the trajectory of the story is already set and there’s nothing they or anyone else can do about it.
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Just wondering, wtf happened to Peggy, it was said in the beginning that she also had a connection with Hamilton, why she didnt show up is werid. Tf she doing?
And cuz shes only mentioned once.
She died, but there wasn't enough time/wasn't close enough to the story of Hamilton to go into that. Other thing is the actress who plays Peggy is the same one as Maria Reynolds.
When it did the "Me, I loved him" I think it was referring to Maria Reynolds instead of Peggy
I really wish they kept in the line about their children being his legacy from first burn
When time travel gets invented I’m stealing them letters
There is such a better version of Angelica going off that was cut.
So they took some liberties with the history of this. It's entirely possible his affair would never have gone public. but what happened was there was a congressional and NYS investigation into corruption in wall street and the treasury department. Hamilton was assisting the investigation, and it seems discovered several members of the treasury department and NY politicians werre enriching themselves illegally. one of those NY politicians was Aaron Burr. While Hamilton had a fairly acrimonous relationship with burr, he couldn't allow the US National Bank and Wallstreet, his legacy and what he rightfully believed the engine which would cement america as a great nation get destroyed by a scandal from some corrupt politicians.
so he confessed to the affair publicly, in an effort to bury the story about the public corruption, and had the public corruption handled on the side with resignations and fines which recouped the losses while allowing the corrupt officials to save face. In short he blew up his own political future (he probably would have been the next president) in order to save the economic system he setup. In fact its believed he struck a deal with jefferson prior to his public declaration of the affair, in order to get jefferson's oath to not touch wall street or the national bank in exchange for his political suicide and guaranteeing his presidential election (you'll note he stumps for jefferson against burr)
the play skips those details because it would confuse the narrative throughline they're trying to build with Burr.
Naw, he could have denied everything as just false claims and he would have been off better.
true, he could've, but if anyone found out he'd be in a worse state
@@rarewubbox6413 not just that, but it would’ve completely undermined his message of being “honest”
Certainly what everybody else has done ever since.
One of the issues (in real life) was that the public was also getting suspicious, and without explanation, it would have spiraled and ruined his whole career/legacy. They kinda mention this in the musical, right before Hurricane at the end of We know, Burr says that "rumors only grow" (or something similar) and during the Reynolds pamphlet song you hear the lines "at least he was honest with our money" sung by the ensemble. Which were basically the public reacting and showing there was some speculation.