Is it possible to have a four phrase period like this: Phrase A Phrase B Phrase B Phrase A What would such a period structure be called? Would it be called a double period because it involves 4 phrases? Would it be called a period in period or a period sandwich if you will? I'm just curious since I have seen a lot of variations on the period structure from the most basic 2 phrase period to humongous periods built with entire sentences as their phrases.
Hello David . I really enjoyed watching your video ! Your video made me dig deeper and now I have a question that I deeply hope you can help me with that . Some pieces like nocturne op.9 no.2 by Chopin end with a perfect authentic cadence in the first 4 measure phrase which is antecedent and end again with a perfect authentic cadence the consequent 4 measure ! What shall I call that form ? 8 measure period or sentence !? In some piece the structure of motives and phrases are similar but composer didn’t end up the first 4 measure with either half cadence or perfect cadence !! For example in Brahms Waltz op.39 no.15 the first four measure ends up with chord IV + II and then it goes to Tonic ! But based on your video it should be whether an imperfect cadence or half cadence ! So what is it called !? Or any cadence can appear beside imperfect and half !? ( in antecedent and consequent phrases )
Some phrases/phrase groups - MANY of them - are neither periods nor sentences! There's a whole world of possible ways to arrange musical ideas. A book that I think does a nice job talking more broadly is William Caplin's "Analyzing Classical Form" - maybe check it out if you want to learn more!
Hi! When I made these videos, I was using Kostka and Payne's Tonal Harmony. It's a fine book! I think Laitz's Complete Musician is a little bit better though, and if you want something a bit more detailed (but heavily focused on classical era form), you might try Caplin's Analyzing Classical Form.
Hi David, thank you for creating these videos! It's helping me to better understand the theory that I'm reading in my textbooks. Continuing on the topic of form, do you know where I may be able to find resources to help better explain phrase deviations and framing functions?
+Jonathan Sera Hmm, I don't know if this will specifically address your needs, but I think Rothstein's "Phrase Rhythm in Tonal Music" does a good job talking about different ways phrases can be expanded and altered. It informs a bit of my thinking about phrase, though it is not light reading.
Honestly learned easier from this video than I did in my theory class at school I paid for. Wow.
Thank you so much! I've been reading Schoenberg's Fundamentals of Music compositions and this supplemented the text very well. :)
Thanks for the videos, it's helping augment my basic music theory
Thank you David! You are the best teacher!!
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lovin the videos Dr. Farrell! Miss your classes!
Thanks for the video! Pretty useful! You deserve waay more subs :(
Thanks man voor de vids. Been learning a lot from this
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Is it possible to have a four phrase period like this:
Phrase A Phrase B Phrase B Phrase A
What would such a period structure be called? Would it be called a double period because it involves 4 phrases? Would it be called a period in period or a period sandwich if you will? I'm just curious since I have seen a lot of variations on the period structure from the most basic 2 phrase period to humongous periods built with entire sentences as their phrases.
Beautiful explanations
Hello David . I really enjoyed watching your video ! Your video made me dig deeper and now I have a question that I deeply hope you can help me with that . Some pieces like nocturne op.9 no.2 by Chopin end with a perfect authentic cadence in the first 4 measure phrase which is antecedent and end again with a perfect authentic cadence the consequent 4 measure ! What shall I call that form ? 8 measure period or sentence !? In some piece the structure of motives and phrases are similar but composer didn’t end up the first 4 measure with either half cadence or perfect cadence !! For example in Brahms Waltz op.39 no.15 the first four measure ends up with chord IV + II and then it goes to Tonic ! But based on your video it should be whether an imperfect cadence or half cadence ! So what is it called !? Or any cadence can appear beside imperfect and half !? ( in antecedent and consequent phrases )
Some phrases/phrase groups - MANY of them - are neither periods nor sentences! There's a whole world of possible ways to arrange musical ideas. A book that I think does a nice job talking more broadly is William Caplin's "Analyzing Classical Form" - maybe check it out if you want to learn more!
great!
What is the title of the text book in use. I would like to buy one for me. Thanks.
Hi David. What textbook do you use when teaching your class on musical form?
Hi! When I made these videos, I was using Kostka and Payne's Tonal Harmony. It's a fine book! I think Laitz's Complete Musician is a little bit better though, and if you want something a bit more detailed (but heavily focused on classical era form), you might try Caplin's Analyzing Classical Form.
Thank you, where is the text book. Jose.
Thank you!
Hi David, thank you for creating these videos! It's helping me to better understand the theory that I'm reading in my textbooks. Continuing on the topic of form, do you know where I may be able to find resources to help better explain phrase deviations and framing functions?
+Jonathan Sera Hmm, I don't know if this will specifically address your needs, but I think Rothstein's "Phrase Rhythm in Tonal Music" does a good job talking about different ways phrases can be expanded and altered. It informs a bit of my thinking about phrase, though it is not light reading.
Dear David sorry to ask again.please can you tell me the name of the book which you refer.thanks.
Tonal Harmony by Kotsa I believe. It's one of the standard texts for music majors. Hope this helps.
Thank You
can i send you music to anylaze for me
Do you have any videos about non chord tones?
Not yet, Liam, but it's probably something I will make in the future. Sorry!
Generally more helpful not to read the deck slides. Let the presentation do something different from the text.
Do you have any videos about non chord tones?