I often wonder what is wrong with letting Christians believe whatever helps them follow Jesus' teachings. I once read that the Medieval Bosnian Church taught that salvation depended on how one conducted one's life, not on what particular dogmas one subscribed to.
Jesus didn't know the day and hour of his return. So, does scripture really show Jesus with 2 natures? Really? Or was it the Father working through him by the Holy Spirit? The Logos was made a man! What stayed divine was his spiritual identity of the Logos, so he did not empty himself of his identity. That Logos spirit was transformed into that of a man. God the Father did miracles through Jesus, and not Jesus by his own attributes of deity. Jesus made this clear in the book of John. Chalcedon, widely accepted in the church, left room for Nestorianism, saying he had 2 natures. They gave paradoxical language that left room for 2 separate natures. But does Scripture really teach this?
Hello Mike, thank you for your comment. Christ said "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only." By saying this Christ did not mean that He didn't know, He was simply telling them that He will not give them this exact information. If I ask you a question about hidden knowledge and Your reply is so and so knows this, it clearly means that you are in the know as well. Or else, how did you know that this other person knows? If you are ignorant you have no clue about what you are ignorant of. Only those who know can recognize who else knows and who doesn't. Christ is Fully God and Fully man. He is God the Word made Flesh. I am Oriental Orthodox, and we accept Saint Cyril's formula of "One Nature of God the Word Incarnate." In His Incarnation Christ was not reliant on the other persons of the Trinity for Divinity, His Divinity is Co-essential, and Co-eternal to the Father and Holy Spirit. If you are interested in understanding the Orthodox doctrines of the Trinity, Incarnation, and Nature of Christ, I would recommend you read what Saint Athanasius and Saint Cyril have written. On the Incarnation of the Word, by Saint Athanasius - www.newadvent.org/fathers/2802.htm On the Unity of Christ, by Saint Cyril - ukmidcopts.org/kotob/on_the_unity_of_Christ_st_cyril.pdf God bless, and keep me in your prayers.
@@AsItWas00 Well I can't agree. Jesus said he didn't know, so that is the truth. He knew his Father knew since the Father is omniscient. Jesus was made a baby who had to learn and grow. He did not flip back and forth between humanity and divinity., or do you see that in Scripture? I don't. Now regarding how he did his miracles, Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit and with power. Acts 10 says, "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him." Notice it says, "God was with him." He did his works by the Father working in him (Jn. 14:10-12), by the Holy Spirit. Jesus himself said that it was the Father doing his work in him that testified of him. So he said to believe by the works themselves. So Jesus did indeed need the Father and the Holy Spirit (given to him without measure) to do his works. This is what the Scripture describes for us. Jesus was fully God in the fact that the spirit of the Logos (God) was made into that of a man. HIs identity did not change. And he was given the Holy Spirit without measure. If one has all attributes of deity, why does he need the Holy Spirit to do his works? He was made a man and did not pretend to be one. Hope you can agree.
@@Mike65809preaching a divided Christ creates a quaternity. These verses require a deep understanding of accepting the mystery of incarnation in how He made the two into one, and the mystery and perfection of kenosis. Read St. Gregory the Theologian's commentary on Mark 13:32 and St. Cyril of Alexandria's commentary on Luke 2:40. Both fathers adhere to a Miaphysis formula. They are not opposed to speaking of the human or divine nature separately in THOUGHT or THEORY alone, but they believe in one composite nature of God the Word incarnate (shown by Ephesus I, St. Cyril letters, St Gregory Nazianzen letter to Cledonius).
I often wonder what is wrong with letting Christians believe whatever helps them follow Jesus' teachings. I once read that the Medieval Bosnian Church taught that salvation depended on how one conducted one's life, not on what particular dogmas one subscribed to.
Jesus didn't know the day and hour of his return. So, does scripture really show Jesus with 2 natures? Really? Or was it the Father working through him by the Holy Spirit? The Logos was made a man! What stayed divine was his spiritual identity of the Logos, so he did not empty himself of his identity. That Logos spirit was transformed into that of a man. God the Father did miracles through Jesus, and not Jesus by his own attributes of deity. Jesus made this clear in the book of John. Chalcedon, widely accepted in the church, left room for Nestorianism, saying he had 2 natures. They gave paradoxical language that left room for 2 separate natures. But does Scripture really teach this?
Hello Mike, thank you for your comment. Christ said "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only." By saying this Christ did not mean that He didn't know, He was simply telling them that He will not give them this exact information. If I ask you a question about hidden knowledge and Your reply is so and so knows this, it clearly means that you are in the know as well. Or else, how did you know that this other person knows? If you are ignorant you have no clue about what you are ignorant of. Only those who know can recognize who else knows and who doesn't. Christ is Fully God and Fully man. He is God the Word made Flesh. I am Oriental Orthodox, and we accept Saint Cyril's formula of "One Nature of God the Word Incarnate." In His Incarnation Christ was not reliant on the other persons of the Trinity for Divinity, His Divinity is Co-essential, and Co-eternal to the Father and Holy Spirit. If you are interested in understanding the Orthodox doctrines of the Trinity, Incarnation, and Nature of Christ, I would recommend you read what Saint Athanasius and Saint Cyril have written.
On the Incarnation of the Word, by Saint Athanasius - www.newadvent.org/fathers/2802.htm
On the Unity of Christ, by Saint Cyril - ukmidcopts.org/kotob/on_the_unity_of_Christ_st_cyril.pdf
God bless, and keep me in your prayers.
@@AsItWas00 Well I can't agree. Jesus said he didn't know, so that is the truth. He knew his Father knew since the Father is omniscient. Jesus was made a baby who had to learn and grow. He did not flip back and forth between humanity and divinity., or do you see that in Scripture? I don't. Now regarding how he did his miracles, Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit and with power. Acts 10 says, "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him." Notice it says, "God was with him." He did his works by the Father working in him (Jn. 14:10-12), by the Holy Spirit. Jesus himself said that it was the Father doing his work in him that testified of him. So he said to believe by the works themselves. So Jesus did indeed need the Father and the Holy Spirit (given to him without measure) to do his works. This is what the Scripture describes for us. Jesus was fully God in the fact that the spirit of the Logos (God) was made into that of a man. HIs identity did not change. And he was given the Holy Spirit without measure. If one has all attributes of deity, why does he need the Holy Spirit to do his works? He was made a man and did not pretend to be one. Hope you can agree.
@@Mike65809preaching a divided Christ creates a quaternity. These verses require a deep understanding of accepting the mystery of incarnation in how He made the two into one, and the mystery and perfection of kenosis. Read St. Gregory the Theologian's commentary on Mark 13:32 and St. Cyril of Alexandria's commentary on Luke 2:40. Both fathers adhere to a Miaphysis formula. They are not opposed to speaking of the human or divine nature separately in THOUGHT or THEORY alone, but they believe in one composite nature of God the Word incarnate (shown by Ephesus I, St. Cyril letters, St Gregory Nazianzen letter to Cledonius).