Suppressors 101: Mounting Options for Suppressors - Quick Detach, Direct Thread and Proprietary
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- There are a ton of options when it comes to mounting suppressors to rifles. As a firearms instructor who spends over 300 days per year on the range and an owner of over 50 suppressors, Rob Orgel has had the opportunity to test many of the popular suppressor mounting solutions. In this video, Rob brakes down the primary options for mounting suppressors as well as his current favorite, the SilencerCo Bravo ASR mount. Rob also discusses hub systems, Q Plan-B, Dead Air Xeno, direct thread and proprietary suppressor mounts.
#silencer #suppressor #556 #762 #hunting #hunter
00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Rob's Favorite - SilencerCo Bravo ASR Mount
02:35 - Hub Systems
03:10 - Q Plan-B and Dead Air Xeno Mounts
04:56 - Suppressor Direct Thread
06:38 - Proprietary Suppressor Mounts - กีฬา
I like this Rob guy, you should get him on the show some time.
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Hop comments, I heart it. I was thinking the same thing. Rob sounds like a reasonable guy, though I'm surprised he likes the ASR mount. How come he isnt in the video? Camera shy?
What does Rob think about Rob talking about Rob in the third person?
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Rob needs to think on that 😂
Rob doesn't feel as stronger about Rob talking about Rob in the third person as I feel about Rob saying vise-a-versa
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I unsubscribed because of the third person weird stuff.
I love me some Rearden. Basically Plan B but with wrench flats on the back of the muzzle device. The lock up on the Rearden isnt only the threads, but the rather large taper that adds a shit ton of friction that locks the can on. I have 5 cans with Rearden adapters with thousands of rounds of 5.56, 9mm, 300blk and 308. Never had an issue with any of my cans coming loose or carbon locking. The can can be difficult to remove if it is very hot, though. I just wait for them to cool and they pop right off or use a strap wrench to get it off if im in a hurry. It also has the benefits of being extremely short, light, inexpensive, and top notch customer service.
Yes!! I have been eyeing those!
Are you running and gunning or sitting at a bench? Not trying to be a smartass Im honestly curious about how this mount will hold up to aggressive training.
@@justinpate3466 I have also switched over to Rearden on my cans and have never had any issues with carbon lock or vibrating loose. I rocksett both the adapter and muzzle device and hand tighten the can. Multiple training courses and personal range trips with no issues. My 300blk SBR definitely sees the most abuse with well over 2k rounds at this point (mostly subs). Well worth the money IMO. That said, I do NOT have any experience with the ASR system to say one is better. Rearden/Plan B has worked for me so that's primarily what I run now.
I’m gonna start saying “Rob is not sold on that” when I don’t like something 😂
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Hmmmm, Rob is not sold on the idea of saying “Rob is not sold on that” to random things.
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The Plan B mount has a taper in front of the threads that keeps carbon out of the threads, ensures good lockup, and allows repeatable mounting. Something about physics with tapers.
Has it ever come loose or got stuck on?
@@Ertactical Not in my experience but other people have reported that it's possible. Usual problem is improper torque - not carbon.
@@Ertactical Never had issues with a Plan B separating from a Cherry Bomb, but I have had Plan Bs loosen from stainless cans. I think it's from titanium having a smaller coefficient of expansion than stainless. I could rockset it on to avoid the issue, but I occasionally convert back to direct thread.
@@Andrew-ps6xe good info that’s for sharing. I use lock tight on em.
I can't wait to see more deep dives into mounting systems
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Can't stop appreciating the informative content you push out Rob! Keep it up!
Thanks for your continued support, much appreciated 🍻
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NEEDed mounting option vid like this.
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Thanks for watching 🍻
Glad to help! 😊
I’ve got Xeno mounts on all of my rifle cans. Main reason I went with it over the Plan B or Reardon was the left hand thread between the suppressor adapter and the muzzle device. So when you remove the can from the muzzle device you are actually tightening the muzzle device and adapter with no risk of taking the muzzle device off when you remove the suppressor. No rocksett or loctite and I’ve never had a single issue. Just make sure everything is torqued properly. Main downside vs the plan b style mounts is they are a tiny bit heavier and a tiny bit longer but not a big deal in my usage.
Killer notes and well said, thanks
Plus wrench flats
And more expensive. Rearden devices are fairly affordable, if such a thing exists in this hobby.
FCD Xenos are $100 fucking dollars. Not including the HUB mount. FML.
Better than the KeyMo, as thats long and heavy, but it gets expensive when everyone keeps making KeyMo the 14.5 pin and weld way of things (Fuck!)
I wish Xeno would catch on already.
Would love to see your thoughts on Griffin Armaments gate lok hub mount.
Great intro on suppressor mounting systems and I’m looking forward to seeing more on this subject. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks, much much more to come on this topic!
@@SilencerSyndicate I'm just glad Rob is also a fan of my preferred system, although my can has only two guns to work with atm.
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Thank you For the Video! love all the info.
Just found your channel, but I'm really appreciating your content! Super helpful! Keep up the great work!
Thank you, glad we could help!
This channel is so good it’s unbelievable. I’ve learned so much, and has helped me make a few purchases. I would say mandatory subscription for anyone in the 2nd amendment space.
Thank you, please help us get the word out. We appreciate you 🍻
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I’m still waiting for my first can but I ordered a dead air xeno hub and flash hider for it. Can’t wait to try it out. Great video
I like this Rob guy that this guy is talking about. He makes sense.
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CAT just made their 1x16 LH mount system open source. So that’s neat.
Still have nothing from them. We will keep trying
Glad to hear your comments on ASR. New to cans, just got my first one about a month ago when the approvals suddenly started coming in fast, and now I have SEVEN! ;-). When i first started researching new to can I was overwhelmed. Almost standardized and went with the Rearden, as they are very popular right now, however I have one gun that i needed to have a pin/weld device on it for a 14.5” barrel, so needed a longer muzzle device. Yes it is heavier than the Rearden, but like you said i like the extra locking collar on the ASR, and it is very quick/easy to mount with one hand. Had a lot of guns to buy muzzle devices, but glad i went ASR as I now have 3 SiCo cans, with one more being purchased as we speak, so nice to be able to swap them around . . .
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Another great video and a good entrance to suppressor mounting systems. I personally like to run the Plan B style mounts, but specifically the one with the taper in front of the threads like Hux and the new-ish YHM SRX. I've shot hundreds of rounds through suppressors with both of those hubs and they never work themselves loose.
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Awesome vid
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Love these content that you put out. Very structured and informative. Just curious, what are the down side of the KeyMo mounting system? Thanks!
Like that Rob lets us know that this is his opinion only and that others may have other experiences. Never thought about proprietary mounting systems as being a detriment to using a variety of devices.
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I’ve got a Wolf Pack Armory Rearden/Plan B adapter on my Polonium K. I’ve only got about 1,000 rounds through it, but so far, so good. No carbon lock. No coming loose. Perfect return to zero as far as I can tell. The main reason I chose it is because it adds very little overall length to my rifle.
Edit: I should add that the muzzle device I’m using is the FCD muzzle brake for Rearden adapters.
Love it! I’ll have to try one
Rob, you're reminding me of "Jimmy" from Seinfeld who would talk about himself in the third person. I'm an ASR guy myself, and have SiCo ASR muzzle devices on my eight host rifles and have been pretty happy with that. It's indeed a pricey initial investment, but once you have your muzzle devices, there's peace of mind and ease of mounting and moving your cans to different hosts.
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1t buyer, i got the PSR griffin..yeah, its very distinct, a set muzzel, but the system daul lock is what got me..i dont have a collection, and if i did, i would want a more easily universal one.. u got great points, but for now. i need to learn and use my over the barrel and pick the thing i might want different for the next one.. ur videos rock, i am enjoying all the great info, wish ur classes were closer to me in Maine! many thanx!
Killer! I have some on the way from them. Will test soon
I really love my Q cherry bombs with my Trash panda…no timing and no extra tolerance stacking simple and easy… HUB with plan B too
have you ever had it come loose?
I like the area 419 hellfire system. It has left hand threads to attach the suppressor to the muzzle device and a taper system with an o-ring in it. Never have to worry about the muzzle device coming off the barrel inside the suppressor and I've never had an issue with carbon lock
Definitely need to check them out. Didn’t even know they were doing silencer mounts. Thanks for sharing
I’ve got thousands of rounds through the Plan B mounting system. I’ve never had a can walk off or carbon lock. When the taper in front of the threads heats up, it takes significantly more force to unscrew the can. The taper also protects the threads from getting any carbon on them. It also the lightest mounting option available besides direct thread.
Good notes! Thank you, maybe I will test it too
The mounts I currently use are DA Xeno, DA KeyMo, tri-lug and the OPS12 collar / break.
The tri-lug is the best but only works for the AR9. The KeyMo is the strongest lock up but can be too difficult to remove at the range. I like the Xeno over the KeyMo but I’ve worried about walking off. It never has for me but did on a friend’s 10.5”. The OPS12 collar / break is the coolest. And I really like the OCL OTB version that combines the muzzle devise and collar into 1 piece.
Love the sharing of intel, thank you
Keep the content coming! I’m waiting on a Lahar 30 to get released from silencer jail and currently debating on a hub system to use
Thanks for your support 🍻
Nice!! Thanks for the support ❤
I'd love more depth on the different mount systems tbh and just what you're getting compared to others or giving up. This was the hell scape I was stuck in both picking a silencer and hub mount.
I ended up doing keymo for the device options since I didn't want to just be stuck with basic flash hinders or like one device sort of a thing. That and a ventum lol
I like the Kemo muzzle devices but I didn’t love the way it attached. I still have a few
What specifically do you find the pros and cons of DA Keymo vs SiCo ASR?
My first can was a YHM Resonator K. I ended up getting a handful of the YHM Phantom QD muzzle devices. My second can is an OSS, and I have one of those reverse-threaded muzzle devices. Part of me wants to get an adapters for both cans and have my rifles with a uniform mounting system, but on the other hand, that would be multiple hundreds of dollars in adapters and muzzle devices, and I just don't care that much.
For what it's worth, even if the YHM Phantom isn't the best mounting system in the world, I've never have had it come loose or any other issues. Never had it carbon lock, even after several hundred rounds of 300blk. Not great, but I just can't justify spending the money to change it all when what I have at the moment just works.
Nice!! We have 4 YHM’s on the way for testing
Could you please discuss the rearden atlas I’ve been hearing a lot about them.
If I ever get to a state that allows suppressors, I would have to unpin & change up my SOLGW NOX w/Keymo.
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I realize my question isnt super related to the video (but i've been asking Huxwrx for several days w/o and answer so I hope you can help), for the Ventum 7.62 using a deadair keymo hub is there a muzzle device length limit? For example, can run the V762 on a 13.7" p/w upper w/ the long muzzle device?
Thank you, even if you dont answer, and I did enjoy the info you gave in the video.
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Xeno has been good for me. Reverse thread on the silencer hub, as it heats up it tightens. The brake builds up carbon but I’ve gone to the Xeno Zero to save some weight and no carbon buildup.
Good notes! Thank you. I guess I’ll have to try one
Suppressor mounts seem to be a strange world as I see tons hating on the SilencerCo ASR mounts and bunches of people loving the rearden mounts. I agree with you though that threading onto a muzzle device only could be risky but I also have no experience with the rearden mounts
Yeah, I do hear good things about em. Maybe I’ll test one
I have ASR get carbon lockup on a 14.5 5.56. It also doesn't lock on other ASR muzzle devices unless the tension is just right. Have you experienced this?
It def can happen
Griffin gate-lok. Anyone with an A2 birdcage can use it. It doesn't have threads that can bind. It indexes on the flat of the muzzle device for repeatability. Downside for some might be no taper.
Nice! We have two Griffins on the way for testing
It sucks when my favorite muzzle device (Griffin Armament Tactical Compensator) only exists in a taper and a proprietary locking system, and though Griffin makes tons of adapters so you can use hub cans, the actual mounting doesn't quite measure up to the Plan B mount style.
We will be testing a few of these soon
2:40 Can Rob please dive a bit deeper into the pros and cons of the Keymo system? I feel like the only pro I’m seeing consistently is a more true QD system
its is a bit more willing to carbon lock than the asr. Thats the biggest wave top for me. there are a few other little things I don't like about them I do have a few and there are some gains too.
I can't remove the 3 lug adapter from my suppressor. Any advice
Any experience/observations on Griffin Dual-Lok hub mounts?
We'll be receiving some stuff from Griffin soon for testing, stay tuned!
We have some in the way for testing
I’d like to know if suppressor length creates any difference in back pressure. Ie modular cans that can go shorter or full size vs K.
Those nots should be in our back pressure test vids
Would like to know why ASR over competing secondary lock mounts (such as Griffin's Dual-Lok)
Don’t have one, we will be testing it soon
I went with Forward Control Design's 7315RF and their new Atlas-R mount. *Chef's kiss*
Never heard of that! I will study
@@Ertactical definitely worth considering man. They are my current favorite mounts and muzzle devices in the "Plan B ecosystem" you can't go wrong with Rearden or LPM stuff either.
Perfect Timing - I have been pouring through a ton of videos just to bring myself up to speed. I struggled with deciding which muzzle device to mount on a Molot Vepr AK-47 (RPK Style) which has M14x1 LH threads butted up to the front post. Curious if anyone has suppressed an AK that has the M14x1thread and which Muzzle Device and Suppressor did you go with?
Look into the JMac 360 x37 muzzle devices. They are make for AKs, and allow you to mount any hub/bravo mount suppressor. The popular can for AKs is the DA wolverine- i have my wolverine mounted using the Jmac hub adapter for the wolverine, and then mounted Jmac 360 muzzle devices on all my various AKs. Made it so I can quick change out between all my AKs, without having to spend a bunch of time changing the adapters/threads out on the Wolverine. If you use the Jmac muzzle devices then because they are HUB/bravo compatible, you can also mount many suppressors. Just make sure you test for concentricity.
@@ThisHandleIsTaken1 Thanks for the intel. I'm looking at not going with the Wolverine since I'm not crazy about the KeyMod system. I have been looking at the JMA Muzzle device" 360 14-1LH Facemount X37 HD - HUB". Which one did you go with?
@@Quality_Guru I’ve got I think 5 different Jmac X37 360 muzzle devices on different AKs- the nice thing about it is that you can standardize the mounting by doing this, as my many AKs all have different thread pitches. With the Jmac wolverine to hub adapter, you can forgo keymod, as I am also not a fan. If you just dont want to go Wolverine, you can go any hub compatible can. The new Sputnik is pretty awesome for AKs, and is hub compatible, so will mount to any of the Jmac muzzle devices . . .
@@ThisHandleIsTaken1 Thanks - I have been looking at Putnik or the the Huxwrx 762 since they both have HUB interfaces.
I'd be curious to know how many plan b compatible systems you've seen come loose.
I have not seen one come lose. I have not done any testing with them b/c I don’t like the lack of a 2nd locking system. Do you have one? Do you like it? Has it come loose on you?
What are your thoughts about A2 type mounts, such as Griffin Gate Lok?
Good q! I’ll talk on this soon
Good copy, thank you.
The Xeno has reverse threading for attachment to muzzle device so you don't unintentionally remove the muzzle device.
have you rocked one for a few hundred? do they come loose?
@Ertactical I completed 2 basic rifle classes, 150-200rds per class, using the Xeno adapter without coming loose.
@@crazykoolrn ahh great intel, thank you
My experience with the huxwrx flash suppressor was the same as the muzzle break. 3 magazines in and I am locked up. Same ammo and rifle and I am close to 1k rounds thru it.
Wow! On both for you?? What can? It seems like the flow gets stuck more than the QD for me
Xeno, job done. Proper torque, no need for rocksett or anything either. I've used both and it makes no difference other than the device is hard to get off with a proper breaker bar. Use nickel anti seize on the threads of anything you want to remove later.
Love it! I’ll order one for testing, thank you for sharing
The cherry bomb and the others use a taper as a secondary lock system.
Will test! Thank you
Plan B is self tightening, and the taper locks the can on. No secondary locking system needed.
Love it! I’ll pick one up for testing
I have a surefire RC2 and use the surefire flash hider. Recently I acquired a few different systems that have different mounting systems, HUXWRX and Keymo. Was contemplating buying another can, possibly a HUXWRX. Would like to buy a flow through system that can be adaptable between HUXWRX and KEYMO. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated ! I am open to suggestions.
check out the HUX Ventem, it has a hub so you can B&T a SF mount or DEAD air the Keymo
@@Ertacticalthank you
Direct thread is the only way to go. Less cost, length and weight. I personally have seen 5 keymo cans loose their teeth and launch themselves.
it def saves weight and create the best connection with can to rifle
I think I'm going with the plan B system... everyone seems to like them an they're lightweight.. an the price seems reasonable.. first can is coming in and the last thing I wanna do is make it longer or heavier... I guess direct thread is also on the table 🤷♂️
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Yeah, mounting options are something I know nothing about for suppressors... Which is why I'm still going with Direct Thread wherever available
Can’t go wrong with DT 🔥🙌🏻
I'm not sold on proprietary mounts unless it's a silencer for one gun.
You mentioned the plan b and xeno sounds risky but you didnt mention that you tried both like you did for the hux. Would you be willing to do a video trying them to see if they actually are risky?
I will likely pick up one for testing but I worry it will come loose. So, careful testing
@@Ertactical Makes sense, I know there's not an easy/cheap way to do this type of test but I would like to know if manufacturers' claims were legitimate and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Thanks for the response, I'll keep an eye out on your channel.
The xeno is reverse thread just like the huxwrx.. I got that because of that reason and it was half the price of huxwrx. Plus the taper before the threads so it can't carbon up the threads
Nice!! I’ll have to test one of those
I wish there were other muzzle devices that were compatible with Rugged Suppressors
Me too!
Xeno flash hider etc when going into mount left hand thread like huxwrx. It also uses taper.
have you have em come loose?
@@Ertactical no sir! I use it on my nomad L.
@@benlastname6667 did you shoot it a bunch ? like a few hundred and see if it comes loose?
@@Ertactical roughly 350rds on a 10.5lb bolt gun set up with 308.
@@benlastname6667 solid test! I guess ill need to get one and mess with it. thank you for the feed back
Pew Science recently dropped their free public report on RC3. Didn’t look good. Think I might go with Hux 7.62 TI instead. Lighter, cheaper, more flow, better sound and multi cal. I know you have an RC3, am I really missing out if I go Hux route? Thank you
The CAT ODB outperforms the FLOW762Ti in all pressure regimes, is more affordable, and is available in Inconel. Just food for thought.
It was great reading the RC3 review and it basically saying that every other low back pressure suppressor is a better choice lol.
@@ToastbackWhale Okay that sounds like a reasonable choice too, I’ll check it out. Thank you!
@@whatiwant8898 Yea it was disappointing to say the least. Next gen that’s holistically no better than last, at almost 50% more cost 😔
First I like your videos very well done but have you used the gate lock from griffin armament it goes on any nato flash bird cage
I have not purchased any Griffin Suppressors for a handful of reasons. I recently spoke with them over the phone as to why I did not particularly like their Suppressors. A lot of it had to do with their available muzzle devices. However, they convinced me and they have two on the way to me now. More testing to come. As it pertains to birdcage/hiders. I almost never leave a birdcage style flash hider on my rifle as I prefer recoil reducing devices for when I’m not using a suppressor. This is why I usually remove birdcagemuscle devices and do not prefer birdcage attachment type devices. It should also be noted that in many cases, even though the suppressor can attach to the birdcage flash Hyder, they often recommend you remove the flash and use shims to the flash hider instead of leaving the crush washer on as this can lead to a baffle strike. I hope this helps.
@@Ertactical yes I did replace all the crush washers on the actual nato cage and just bought 2 of theirs to fit my 300 blackout rifles. But like they say you buy one and shoot for awhile you’re hooked so I have another one on the way thanks for the comment back keep up the videos
@@jjacres129 bro, thank you for your positive feedback and support. You don’t know what it means to us. There’s a lot of negativity on the Internet and we really appreciate when there’s positive comments.
Plan b and area 419 are the best, keep shit simple and strong
Thanks for the intel, we will check em out
Subscribed! Smashed the like button. Here is my comment! Really appreciate the info. Live in AZ... pin a link to your classes.
Hahah why have I not done that!! 🤦🏻 duh thank you! 😅
Since I run dedicated suppressors, I prefer direct thread mounts.
Makes good sense! Thanks for watching 🍻
Can’t go wrong with DT 🔥
I want to actually see these systems, rather than just hear a monolog about them please.
Rob, at CANCON we talked to the owner of the suitcase full of titanium suppressors and he had a pretty cool proprietary system. Did you get a chance to sit down with him after?
Nice job on the vid and audio, very clear.
Thanks for watching, we have much more in-depth videos coming as this is a HUGE topic 🍻
Have to agree with you on the hux and the xeno. My hux stays on, my xeno does not. Also the xeno is ugly and not as short as it should be.
Good notes! Thank you for sharing
The firearms industry desperately needs to standardize suppressor mounting options
totally!!!! the Hub is killing it with giving us choices
I’m always thinking “what would Rob do”?
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i keep thinking youre wearing a Denver Broncos hat lol
Who the F@#k is Rob? Where is that guy at?
Hahah idk! Sounds like a loser 😂
What is wrong with keymo??
nothing is wrong with them, I prefer the ASR as i and my clients have had more carbon lock problems on the Keymo
Hux is not proprietary. You can use HUB mounting
You can on their new ventem but not the QD and Flow, etc
@@Ertactical actually that is pretty wrong, but ok. Hux sells the HUB separately so that, like in my case, if you are using their flash hider or muzzle device. This allows you to use another suppressor brand that is HUB compatible.
@@InkwellFoto it looks like this is new and i have not seen it until you mentioned it. interesting. do you have one? looks like they are out of stock. it also looks like it is HUB to HUX. so the HUX cans are still proprietary. You can use other cans and make them play with the HUX FH but you can not take a QD or Flow and make it work with other mounts. so it seems to still be very proprietary .
@Ertactical I do have one. It is not the lightest. I got mine at Modern Warrior. I have a lot of Hux cans, and I thought it was all I needed until CGS and CAT came out. I'm just hoping that a lot more companies switch over to HUB. Now that suppressors are coming back sooner
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Why is Rob talking in the third person and cant pronounce the word Carbine?
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Who the fuck is Rob?
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Donno but I hear he is funny looking 😂
Third person speech…believe me, not good.
This guy is an "expert" but doesn't know that the Xeno mount is left hand threaded? Of course you should Rocksett the mount inside the can and the muzzle device to the barrel. Duh.
Yeah, he’s dumb, seems like everyone is an “expert “. 😳🤔🤫
when did he say it's NOT LH TP?
Sure fire socom!
the RC3 has been doing well! but still not my fav. =)
Plan B seems the way to go for weight/price and lower profile. I do kind of hope the CGS/CAT open source taper design takes off and becomes more prominent. A LH thread taper just seems like a better implementation of what Plan B does with less worry of accidentally uninstalling your muzzle device and/or hub adapter.
I’ll have to grab one for testing. Thank you for sharing