+Engineering Explained hey a mustang has less fuel efficience because it has more power(more torque,,,,less down shifts so the kia need to down shift so more fuel)
I actually own a 2014 Kia koup sx turbo and it think it's a great car I averaged 40+ mpg on a recent round trip from Vegas to Phoenix, Grand Canyon and back. It's all on how you drive it. I also frequent take my car to SCCA track events and post faster times then a lot of muscle cars with V8's and Ford Focus ST and fiesta ST. This is a great underrated car. Total sleeper and a great everyday driver
+Jeff Porter I saw your comment on SmokingTires and it seems all the positive comments are from owners themselves. Sometimes there are a few who have test driven it and then they have rather bad impressions of the car. Mind you, I am an owner myself and I do like the car so long as you take the price you paid into the equation. There are better cars out there to be had; just not at this price point. My only beef is when owners pump their cars tires they seem to go overboard with comments like, "totally sleeper" or "beating cars with more horsepower, etc"
i own a blue 2015 koup love it i put aftermarket rims with low profile perelli P1 tires solved that grip problem the korean nexen tires they come with even tho last long (depending on your driving) suck and the only real competitor i cant beat in a drag is a VW golf so overall satisfied and the new look is definitely a plus from the 1st gen
God I've been saying it since I sold Kias back in 2010 but Kia needs to put their turbo motor in the Koup SX that gets 276 hp. Problem is Hyundai won't let them cause of the Genesis. The 1st generation 6 speed Koup SX was the better car with a better suspension and more responsive steering.
I was hoping to see the parts of the car is you did in some of the other video, I found really nice and useful and would love to see it on as many car reviews you can! Keep up the great vids!
I have the Kia Soul with the 1.6 manual (130 hamster Power) and I also have that same "track" button and I have the same problem. I will be in a nice sweeper with as tightening radius and I will hit the "track" button and I will go from Sammy Haggar "I Can't Drive 55" to Rod Stewart "Only You". I think that its main purpose is mood control :-) I had to laugh when you pointed that out in the video....
Love the look of the hatchback. My gf has the veloster turbo and im pretty impressed with it. I have had/have some fast cars and this car can do just fine. The dct really shifts fast.
Awesome! I've tried the Veloster Turbo manual and enjoyed it. Hoping to get it in for an actual review. Same engine but better gas mileage over the Kia.
Engineering Explained Exactly. Its by no mean a fast sports car but its quick and the versility of the hatch is priceless. Also the equipment at that price point is really a deal. People always point to the feista st over the veloster turbo but really they are not in the same categorey. Veloster turbo is larger, better appointed, and comes in a dct which is why my gf bought it as she cannot drive stick (trying to teach her). I think it is just the right blend of sportiness, creature comfort, and versitility (the hatchback). However the rear suspension on these needs to be upgraded. Okay my rant is done hahaha
From what I've read, there is a software upgrade to get the track button to work correctly, however you must buy buy a teacup and put it in the glove box for it to work.
I have a 2015 forte5 sx 6sp. The factory nexen tires were absolutely horrific. Worst excuse for tires I have ever seen. I put a set of conti DWS' on months after purchase and it was a different car. However they only lasted 1 season. I just moved to a set of BFG comp2 a/s tires and these have totally transformed the car entirely. Next order of business will be to replace the rear beam bushings with some superpro poly to cure the rear squirmyness when you hit mid corner bumps.
Do you recommend this car? I'm looking for a car in this segment (Forte5 not Koup) with a bit of "oumf" nothing to crazy. I've tried the Forte5 and loved the ride quality. I've tried the Mazda3, Ford Focus titanium etc. Most of them has 30ish HP less than the KIA and are more expensive that it for all those features. (CAD ponies :P ) Don't get me wrong I know some of those cars have better ride/handeling quality for Track etc. but I'm never going to do track... Who does with a car like that.
Really nice for a Kia! Hell I would buy the hatchback version in an instant. With a little bit of help (stiffer, lower suspension, tune, etc.) it seems like it would be a car that would surprise a lot of people.I know somebody that races his previous gen Forte Koup and this one seems to be a big step above the last generation. Curious to see what they can do.
I own a 2013 SX, the last year of the 1st gen produced. It has every option, black leather, red stitching, sunroof ect. Fuel economy is par for the course. If it was any better it would become a Honda fit. It's already kind of gutless as is, so I wouldn't want to trade power for fuel economy, no way. I definitely feel like the 2nd gen lost its edge. It got softer and less fun. Also, the aftermarket part selection definitely favors gen 1 aswell, so keep that in mind. The selection of aftermarket parts for the gen 2 is significantly less. They don't make much for the 14 to 16s. The market leans heavily gen 1. So if you're going to buy this car like me to fix it up, you're better off going with a nice gen 1. They look better too in my opinion. Gen 2 is too soft.
I know this comments old af but ima respond to it anyway. Yes, I have the 1st gen koup sx with all the basic works, cai, exhaust, preformance brakes, coilovers, bigger better tires and wheels, upgraded clutch and flywheel, and a short shifter and it's a fun car for sure and actually performs really well for what it is. Get compliments on it more than my 2nd gen dsm and a lot of people have no idea what car it is and are always surprised when I say it's a kia(it has kdm badging)
Can someone explain why this puny 1.6L fuel economy gets such bad mileage? I own both a Forte5 SX and a 2.4L Subaru Outback with a turbo so the fuel economy feels more subdue in the Forte after driving the Outback for a while.
They need to invent a "sequential shift" that Acts as a manual!!!! Same h pattern only when u want a auto you got an auto! But when you want that manual h shifter (with clutch) you can have fun!!! Just in stead of gears grinding you can have an auto gear stile but still have fun!!! I'm so proud of that fact!!!!!
+Pretzil295 So what depresses the clutch when it's in "auto" mode? What changes the gears? It'd be fairly costly, when opting for a manual or automatic is cheaper, and chances are you probably want one more than the other, I'm not sure what market would opt for it.
Track Button?! Hilarious!! $26,400 as tested?!! WTF! Seems way high given the better options out there (WRX, Mustang EcoBoost, etc..........). Plus, that big ol' KIA badge staring back at me from the wheel, UGGH! Great review just the same.-JB
do you notice any lag from when you press the gas? I drove a KIA forte a couple years ago and was turned off at the fact that when I pressed the gas, I'd have to wait 2 seconds before anything actually happened.
Hits peak torque really early, I didn't notice significant lag if I was in the right gear. If it was auto mode, there would certainly be a pause for a downshift (or two) though.
+Engineering Explained All SX models are turbo. The EX comes with a non-turbo 2.0. I have the SX hatch 6 speed and am in love with it. What it lacks in power it makes up for in included features, I value the features over power for a daily driver car. The after market addresses pretty much every "flaw" this car has. However we are all waiting on a handheld tuner like an access port. There is about 50whp locked away in software alone on these cars along with a massive MPG gain. The engine tuning is where kia really failed.
How does this compare to a Civic Si? Is the Civic worth the extra money over this? How was the overall quality of the Forte Koup? Like did you notice any short comings like uneven panel gap, loose trim pieces, overall cheapness?
***** I think the chance of getting a car with junk quality control is pretty low but it still exists. Brought a new 2015 Nissan NV200 base model. $21,000. Bumpers don't sit flush, badge isn't straight, door/window gaskets aren't straight, rattles, paint over spray on dash board, too much slack in door hinges(causing door failure, yes DOOR FAILURE). Many more that I have just forgotten about. My 7 year old Subaru with 60k miles has the same amount of issues as this new van with 2000 miles. I know it's a work van but that's not an excuse for crappy quality control.
Actually seems pretty nice overall - I wish I had a heated steering wheel (and I'm surprised more cars don't have one). But yeah, that fuel economy is really questionable, and I also wonder how good the longevity of the car is. The thing about a lot of reviews of new cars is the car may seem great at first but you never know how it'll stand the test of time.
+Peter Schmidt 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty from the manufacturer? I'd say they're pretty confident in their cars at this point. But yeah I am actually a little disappointed with that fuel economy, and disappointed that they went with the 1.6L T instead of their 2.0L GDi engine and turbocharge it.
buildmorefarms100 No, it's really not. He's driven convertible sports cars that had better fuel economy than this. I drive a Subaru Impreza (2.0L AWD) and average at around 34MPG. Any FWD/RWD economy car that has advertises an average MPG below 33 is bad for today's standards. It'd have decent maybe 5 years ago.
Peter Schmidt Ok, several things, the Subaru Impreza is one of the slowest new cars made, it uses a CVT and is designed for fuel economy, it is totally boring, the AWD is nice but that's it. The Kia Koup SX is a turbo and does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds (about 3 seconds quicker than an Impreza) and yet it stil gets 33+mpg avg in his mixed driving test including his 0-60 run which wasn't economical driving...Id pick the Kia turbo against the Impreza. Subaru resale is much better though, I will admit that.
Sjrick did it in Northern Vermont for years, and never had a problem. Just gotta know how to drive it, with a set of good tires RWD goes just fine in the snow.
Sjrick usually a foot or 2 per storm, but easily got 3-4 feet for a couple storms throughout the winter. Get several storms throughout the winter, sometimes from late October through April of the next year.
Shame the Forte isn't on the same level as Kia's European cars. I have a Pro_Cee'd GT with the same Engine and I think almost all the errors you pointed out would be ironed out or reduced if the Forte was set-up in the same manner. The Independent rear suspension and 225 PS3 tyres would definitely go a long way to fix things.
Pretzil295 The engine in this car is also in the KIA pro cee'd GT and the hyundai veloster it has quite a bit of sports car in it's blood, i wouldn't say it's an eco car it just doesn't have the electric diff and the good sticky tires the pro cee'd GT has which is why it's not as good in the corners. Besides the FRS/BRZ were never build to be performance cars they were build for the experience of driving them and their handling.
My 2010 forte koup sx gets horrid gas mileage. I average around 18mpg city and 25 highway and it's only a 173hp 2.4L 4cly n/a and I have the 6speed manual. That being said its acceleration is impressive for a 2010 n/a 4cly kia. You can reach 60mp in 2nd. Rear beam suspension kills stock handling a bit but coilovers helped a lot. Definitely spins easily an lsd help a lot but I dont think it's worth it unless you're gonna turbo the car which just isnt worth the $3-4k it cost especially on a used model youd find now. Could make 300-400hp boosted though and it's pretty easy to do. You buy this car cause you want something unique and rarely seen also for the styling the 1st gens looked best in its class at the time imo though ultimately the civic si of that year was the better performer but the price reflected that.
Hello Jason! I love your videos. I have a video request. Can you explain how Koni FSD shocks work, please? The technology in these things sounds so great but I would like to know how they actually work: how shocks themselves when to loosen up..etc. It seems like you can explain this the best. Thanks!
can you make a video knowing the basic of car like engine types, transmission types or thing like that since I really want to learn about cars and no one on youtube has one video explaining the basic of a car in general. Then later you can do an advanced video or something. I'm sure you'll get a lot of views if you did something like that. Please do it.
I prefer the previous body style, it's also a few thousand cheaper since it doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles. I'm baffled by the fuel economy. I didn't know cars with larger engines get better economy.
Anyone else notice that the car was changing gears constantly, even when you seemed to be on a fairly straight looking bit of road. Or perhaps it's just you pumping the gas pedal back and forth...? Argh.. Automatics... It's also probably why it gets so bad gas mileage. Old-style automatics just aren't efficient.
But does the Kia have torque converter lock-up like the FR-S? The slipping torque converter is the reason why regular automatics are so inefficient. The FR-S has a locking torque converter (2nd through 6th gear), greatly increasing efficiency. It's easy to test whether the torque converter has lock-up or not, especially if the transmission has a manual mode. Just pop it in high gear while driving at a constant speed, then press the gas pedal and see if the revs jump up a little before the car starts to accelerate. A regular torque converter always allows some slip, so engine revs can change without affecting the speed of the car. But if the torque converter is in lock-up mode, it doesn't allow slip, so the revs cannot change without the car actually accelerating.
Oh well.. The manual Kia Forte Koup SX seems to have even worse fuel economy. I'm at a loss here for the reason for it having such poor efficiency. The 2 liter NA engine variant seems to get a little better mileage all around, so perhaps it's the turbocharged engine then. Perhaps it runs on boost even in low rpms, increasing fuel consumption?
Really? Part of the reason why autos were killing manuals is cause they have been proven to get better gas mileage, not saying you can't get better mpg in a manual over a auto in certain cars but unless your gears are set for such or you had enough practice in a manual to work it so, it's just hard to argue manual over most sportmatics or even basic autos
+buildmorefarms100 Bingo, They are similar speed wise but while the Kia is about versatility (especially the Hatch version) the suspension on the ST is amazing for a FWD car. Reminds me of the Type R Integra.
Of the cars I've driven, I've found the steering wheel mounted ones to feel the most convenient. On the Evo there were times my hands weren't in the right spot for a shift (column mounted). Not a major difference though.
If I didn't know about cars and was just looking for a "nice" car, this would be on my list! Edit: I just saw the price!! nevermind. jeezus, I was expecting it to be around 17k.
+SoSickWidit Everyone here buys them for their daughters first car. It's a relatively cheap new or pre owned car with pretty good crash test ratings, it's a reliable engine that produces enough power while getting decent gas mileage, and it's roomy enough so they can fit lots of friends or fit all their dorm stuff in one. The sorority house parking lots are filled with them
+emertes17 It has a high safety rating, gets good gas and it's super cheap for a 2015 car. I don't think you have anything to be ashamed about. I remember when I drove my aunts Prius on a 3 hour trip. I actually gained a little respect for the thing, I filled up before I left and never had to stop for the rest of the day, this is including traffic. Beautiful thing. My 300 S would've had to make a stop a couple of times for gas.
Hi well-reviewed but why not an overall one, boot, rear seats, city driving, annoying issues etc rather than leave us at mercy of finding out ourselves :)
You get my like for the track button :D
Thank you Patrick!
+Engineering Explained hey a mustang has less fuel efficience because it has more power(more torque,,,,less down shifts so the kia need to down shift so more fuel)
Laughed so hard HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+Engineering Explained That unexpected joke hit me like rocks. xD Good job.
+Patrick Forrer (Hechamon) That joke was so bone dry, even the pacific ocean would call for water. Gotta love sarcasm!
I have a 2016 Kia Forte Koup SX turbo I love it fast great gas saver and bad ass look
I actually own a 2014 Kia koup sx turbo and it think it's a great car I averaged 40+ mpg on a recent round trip from Vegas to Phoenix, Grand Canyon and back. It's all on how you drive it. I also frequent take my car to SCCA track events and post faster times then a lot of muscle cars with V8's and Ford Focus ST and fiesta ST. This is a great underrated car. Total sleeper and a great everyday driver
+Jeff Porter I saw your comment on SmokingTires and it seems all the positive comments are from owners themselves. Sometimes there are a few who have test driven it and then they have rather bad impressions of the car. Mind you, I am an owner myself and I do like the car so long as you take the price you paid into the equation. There are better cars out there to be had; just not at this price point. My only beef is when owners pump their cars tires they seem to go overboard with comments like, "totally sleeper" or "beating cars with more horsepower, etc"
Learning2Smile mine gets horrible MPGs
I have that car 6 speed manual and it does good in all weather all it needs is better all season tires and the car is perfect I love my kia SX
I laughed way too hard at the track button comment. Great video man.
Finally someone
reviews my car :D
i have the older model and i have to say i still prefer the old style for me it looks way sportier and it looks way better
Yes, it does! Looks way better.
Track button joke was fantastic. If you're looking for a coupe these days, I really like the scion tc. I think it has the best of everything
A wild BRZ appears during cornering!
i own a blue 2015 koup love it i put aftermarket rims with low profile perelli P1 tires solved that grip problem the korean nexen tires they come with even tho last long (depending on your driving) suck and the only real competitor i cant beat in a drag is a VW golf so overall satisfied and the new look is definitely a plus from the 1st gen
That track button joke caught me off guard 😂
God I've been saying it since I sold Kias back in 2010 but Kia needs to put their turbo motor in the Koup SX that gets 276 hp. Problem is Hyundai won't let them cause of the Genesis. The 1st generation 6 speed Koup SX was the better car with a better suspension and more responsive steering.
I was hoping to see the parts of the car is you did in some of the other video, I found really nice and useful and would love to see it on as many car reviews you can! Keep up the great vids!
Nothing says performance like a torsion beam suspension in the rear!
Porsche 944 has torsion bean rear suspension. that's performance oriented. learned that when I bought my 86 two years ago.
+Richard Veihdeffer III performance based in 86 lol we should have advanced by now
+Travis Proteau oh definitely lol. got to love eco cars trying to be sporty. just look at the veloster turbo.
+Travis Proteau It isn't a performance car.
What a great review. Straight to the point and very intelligent! Thanks!
I have the Kia Soul with the 1.6 manual (130 hamster Power) and I also have that same "track" button and I have the same problem. I will be in a nice sweeper with as tightening radius and I will hit the "track" button and I will go from Sammy Haggar "I Can't Drive 55" to Rod Stewart "Only You". I think that its main purpose is mood control :-)
I had to laugh when you pointed that out in the video....
Benjamin .1 The only drifting I was able to do was when I got stuck in a snow drift
Your reviews are on point!
Shame they ruined the exterior of the koup. The 2010-2013 models were seriously pretty.
Scout About I prefer the new style. Old style looks straight up civic. New one is unique
I Just bought an optioned out Koup R its awesome.
Good observation .. i appriciate your observation ..i jus bought one 1 week ago..
just got this car black on black I love it
Love the look of the hatchback. My gf has the veloster turbo and im pretty impressed with it. I have had/have some fast cars and this car can do just fine. The dct really shifts fast.
The tires are this cars weakness. Change them an it really hooks up nicely.
Awesome! I've tried the Veloster Turbo manual and enjoyed it. Hoping to get it in for an actual review. Same engine but better gas mileage over the Kia.
Engineering Explained Exactly. Its by no mean a fast sports car but its quick and the versility of the hatch is priceless. Also the equipment at that price point is really a deal. People always point to the feista st over the veloster turbo but really they are not in the same categorey. Veloster turbo is larger, better appointed, and comes in a dct which is why my gf bought it as she cannot drive stick (trying to teach her). I think it is just the right blend of sportiness, creature comfort, and versitility (the hatchback). However the rear suspension on these needs to be upgraded. Okay my rant is done hahaha
From what I've read, there is a software upgrade to get the track button to work correctly, however you must buy buy a teacup and put it in the glove box for it to work.
I have a 2015 forte5 sx 6sp. The factory nexen tires were absolutely horrific. Worst excuse for tires I have ever seen. I put a set of conti DWS' on months after purchase and it was a different car. However they only lasted 1 season. I just moved to a set of BFG comp2 a/s tires and these have totally transformed the car entirely. Next order of business will be to replace the rear beam bushings with some superpro poly to cure the rear squirmyness when you hit mid corner bumps.
I just ordered those but the DES06
Looks like the perfect first car or starter car out of college
Do you recommend this car?
I'm looking for a car in this segment (Forte5 not Koup) with a bit of "oumf" nothing to crazy. I've tried the Forte5 and loved the ride quality.
I've tried the Mazda3, Ford Focus titanium etc. Most of them has 30ish HP less than the KIA and are more expensive that it for all those features. (CAD ponies :P )
Don't get me wrong I know some of those cars have better ride/handeling quality for Track etc. but I'm never going to do track... Who does with a car like that.
Very good video, chock full of details getting to know this car.
Really nice for a Kia! Hell I would buy the hatchback version in an instant. With a little bit of help (stiffer, lower suspension, tune, etc.) it seems like it would be a car that would surprise a lot of people.I know somebody that races his previous gen Forte Koup and this one seems to be a big step above the last generation. Curious to see what they can do.
It definitely does surprise a lot of the Germans :)
I own a 2013 SX, the last year of the 1st gen produced.
It has every option, black leather, red stitching, sunroof ect.
Fuel economy is par for the course.
If it was any better it would become a Honda fit.
It's already kind of gutless as is, so I wouldn't want to trade power for fuel economy, no way.
I definitely feel like the 2nd gen lost its edge.
It got softer and less fun.
Also, the aftermarket part selection definitely favors gen 1 aswell, so keep that in mind.
The selection of aftermarket parts for the gen 2 is significantly less.
They don't make much for the 14 to 16s.
The market leans heavily gen 1.
So if you're going to buy this car like me to fix it up, you're better off going with a nice gen 1.
They look better too in my opinion.
Gen 2 is too soft.
could a few mods improve the vehicle as a whole?
I know this comments old af but ima respond to it anyway. Yes, I have the 1st gen koup sx with all the basic works, cai, exhaust, preformance brakes, coilovers, bigger better tires and wheels, upgraded clutch and flywheel, and a short shifter and it's a fun car for sure and actually performs really well for what it is. Get compliments on it more than my 2nd gen dsm and a lot of people have no idea what car it is and are always surprised when I say it's a kia(it has kdm badging)
Just found out these exist. I have a 19 civic coupe ex-t. Kinda wish I had known these existed.
Reviewer: Test turning without sport mode on
Car- am I a joke to you
Try to get your hands on a Kia Optima SX. They have 275 Hp, i drove one and they move pretty damn good
The track button one got me hahaha
Can someone explain why this puny 1.6L fuel economy gets such bad mileage? I own both a Forte5 SX and a 2.4L Subaru Outback with a turbo so the fuel economy feels more subdue in the Forte after driving the Outback for a while.
i hope that what you said about the "track button" was meant as a joke, because it was quite funny. lol
Could you do a video on the Hyundai genesis coupe?
Koup? Seriously. That is so "dum, I can't even".
+camryt still beats the ford Ka
+camryt still beats the ford Ka
+cbrt2 My Ka is a Koup
Kia + coupe = koup thats what kia said
Fiat "Multipla"
6.6 0-60 for a 21k car not too shabby!
I was wondering when you would do a Hyundai/Kia review. Great job!
Thanks! I'm definitely working to expand the variety. Mitsubishi, Kia, Mazda, and Honda have all approved. Working on Hyundai as well.
+Engineering Explained Good, no more Subarus!
They need to invent a "sequential shift" that Acts as a manual!!!! Same h pattern only when u want a auto you got an auto! But when you want that manual h shifter (with clutch) you can have fun!!! Just in stead of gears grinding you can have an auto gear stile but still have fun!!!
I'm so proud of that fact!!!!!
+Pretzil295 So what depresses the clutch when it's in "auto" mode? What changes the gears? It'd be fairly costly, when opting for a manual or automatic is cheaper, and chances are you probably want one more than the other, I'm not sure what market would opt for it.
i think Koenigsegg has achieved this now, right?
Track Button?! Hilarious!! $26,400 as tested?!! WTF! Seems way high given the better options out there (WRX, Mustang EcoBoost, etc..........). Plus, that big ol' KIA badge staring back at me from the wheel, UGGH! Great review just the same.-JB
Can you explain Pros and Cons of a Lighter Flywheel, and if it's good for daily driving.Thanks
Would you say it's a good car to start off with
It has a heated and cooled seat and a heated steering wheel. You would have to get a BMW to get those features. This may be my next car
do you notice any lag from when you press the gas? I drove a KIA forte a couple years ago and was turned off at the fact that when I pressed the gas, I'd have to wait 2 seconds before anything actually happened.
Hits peak torque really early, I didn't notice significant lag if I was in the right gear. If it was auto mode, there would certainly be a pause for a downshift (or two) though.
I wouldn't mind seeing your thoughts on the regular Forte SX.
Same thoughts, just less quick.
+Engineering Explained All SX models are turbo. The EX comes with a non-turbo 2.0. I have the SX hatch 6 speed and am in love with it. What it lacks in power it makes up for in included features, I value the features over power for a daily driver car. The after market addresses pretty much every "flaw" this car has. However we are all waiting on a handheld tuner like an access port. There is about 50whp locked away in software alone on these cars along with a massive MPG gain. The engine tuning is where kia really failed.
i took me a min to realize you through a joke in there you sounded serious lmao
Which would be better for this car: The six speed manual or the automatic?
Was this video filmed at Oregon?
is that the veloster turbo from kia??? look similar i thing
Same engine.
How does this compare to a Civic Si? Is the Civic worth the extra money over this? How was the overall quality of the Forte Koup? Like did you notice any short comings like uneven panel gap, loose trim pieces, overall cheapness?
Loose trim pieces? Where have you been car shopping haha. Quality was fine. I have not driven the SI.
+Engineering Explained I was at the Nissan dealership...made in Mexico lmao
***** I think the chance of getting a car with junk quality control is pretty low but it still exists.
Brought a new 2015 Nissan NV200 base model. $21,000. Bumpers don't sit flush, badge isn't straight, door/window gaskets aren't straight, rattles, paint over spray on dash board, too much slack in door hinges(causing door failure, yes DOOR FAILURE). Many more that I have just forgotten about. My 7 year old Subaru with 60k miles has the same amount of issues as this new van with 2000 miles.
I know it's a work van but that's not an excuse for crappy quality control.
+bmwmsport11 Kia makes good cars now we have a pro cee'd gt and I can't find any issues with it.
The kid from the Kia Forte Koup video on the smoking tire channel, watched this video before taking his car to Matt Farrah for a review
track button , I CAN'T BREATH :)))
Dissapointed @ the No Funny Ending ! You started it ! :)
Haha my bad! Usually it's just if something candid and pointless happens.
Actually seems pretty nice overall - I wish I had a heated steering wheel (and I'm surprised more cars don't have one). But yeah, that fuel economy is really questionable, and I also wonder how good the longevity of the car is. The thing about a lot of reviews of new cars is the car may seem great at first but you never know how it'll stand the test of time.
+Peter Schmidt 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty from the manufacturer? I'd say they're pretty confident in their cars at this point. But yeah I am actually a little disappointed with that fuel economy, and disappointed that they went with the 1.6L T instead of their 2.0L GDi engine and turbocharge it.
Nice set of options.
But it is that question of Cheap, Economic and Reliable. Pick 2 thing going on.
+Peter Schmidt 33+mpg average in his test drive is good.
buildmorefarms100 No, it's really not. He's driven convertible sports cars that had better fuel economy than this. I drive a Subaru Impreza (2.0L AWD) and average at around 34MPG. Any FWD/RWD economy car that has advertises an average MPG below 33 is bad for today's standards. It'd have decent maybe 5 years ago.
Peter Schmidt Ok, several things, the Subaru Impreza is one of the slowest new cars made, it uses a CVT and is designed for fuel economy, it is totally boring, the AWD is nice but that's it. The Kia Koup SX is a turbo and does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds (about 3 seconds quicker than an Impreza) and yet it stil gets 33+mpg avg in his mixed driving test including his 0-60 run which wasn't economical driving...Id pick the Kia turbo against the Impreza. Subaru resale is much better though, I will admit that.
For $26k I would buy a Genesis Coupe. Rwd, 3.8 V6 soundtrack, and an excellent warranty.
Good luck in the snow with RWD
Sjrick did it in Northern Vermont for years, and never had a problem. Just gotta know how to drive it, with a set of good tires RWD goes just fine in the snow.
How much snow did you deal with ?
Sjrick usually a foot or 2 per storm, but easily got 3-4 feet for a couple storms throughout the winter. Get several storms throughout the winter, sometimes from late October through April of the next year.
iDrive4fun93 it's a good thing that kia owns the Genesis
Shame the Forte isn't on the same level as Kia's European cars. I have a Pro_Cee'd GT with the same Engine and I think almost all the errors you pointed out would be ironed out or reduced if the Forte was set-up in the same manner. The Independent rear suspension and 225 PS3 tyres would definitely go a long way to fix things.
Nice review...
Track button haha that was too funny.
why have you never reviewed the Civic Si? i have been looking for that since i subscribed.
Because there hasn't been one available.
track button comment was great.
More torque than the FRS/BRZ..
Yes because turbo
That's almost kinda very altra sad!
Eco car beats sports car?????????
Pretzil295 The engine in this car is also in the KIA pro cee'd GT and the hyundai veloster it has quite a bit of sports car in it's blood, i wouldn't say it's an eco car it just doesn't have the electric diff and the good sticky tires the pro cee'd GT has which is why it's not as good in the corners. Besides the FRS/BRZ were never build to be performance cars they were build for the experience of driving them and their handling.
+Mika_012397 Smaller engine though, 1.6 vs. 2.0..
I wish they gave you a manual with better tires, much better response
My 2010 forte koup sx gets horrid gas mileage. I average around 18mpg city and 25 highway and it's only a 173hp 2.4L 4cly n/a and I have the 6speed manual. That being said its acceleration is impressive for a 2010 n/a 4cly kia. You can reach 60mp in 2nd. Rear beam suspension kills stock handling a bit but coilovers helped a lot. Definitely spins easily an lsd help a lot but I dont think it's worth it unless you're gonna turbo the car which just isnt worth the $3-4k it cost especially on a used model youd find now. Could make 300-400hp boosted though and it's pretty easy to do. You buy this car cause you want something unique and rarely seen also for the styling the 1st gens looked best in its class at the time imo though ultimately the civic si of that year was the better performer but the price reflected that.
Hello Jason! I love your videos. I have a video request. Can you explain how Koni FSD shocks work, please? The technology in these things sounds so great but I would like to know how they actually work: how shocks themselves when to loosen up..etc. It seems like you can explain this the best. Thanks!
Hey Engineering Explained can you do a video on a 6 stroke engine, and what advantages it would give over a 4 stroke engine?
So for some reason my car accelerates quicker when the engine is cold than when it is at operation temperature.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Dat track button LOL
can you make a video knowing the basic of car like engine types, transmission types or thing like that since I really want to learn about cars and no one on youtube has one video explaining the basic of a car in general. Then later you can do an advanced video or something. I'm sure you'll get a lot of views if you did something like that. Please do it.
Check out my engines playlist or transmission playlist. I have dozens of videos on these subjects.
I'm sick of those pointless track buttons on the KIA's.
Manual is more fun paired with the 1.6T. I drove the Koup auto and the hatch auto was better.
since you're doing korean cars again... can you do the hyundai veloster?
I'm hoping to, there's an approval process I'm working on with Hyundai.
Yay
I prefer the previous body style, it's also a few thousand cheaper since it doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles. I'm baffled by the fuel economy. I didn't know cars with larger engines get better economy.
Is this a reliable car anymore?
Kind of sad that the 2017 version only the high end automatic gets the turbo engine.
Anyone else notice that the car was changing gears constantly, even when you seemed to be on a fairly straight looking bit of road. Or perhaps it's just you pumping the gas pedal back and forth...? Argh.. Automatics... It's also probably why it gets so bad gas mileage. Old-style automatics just aren't efficient.
+Kepe They certainly can be efficient. I managed over 40 mpg in the Scion FRS, which was better than the manual version (and is rated higher).
But does the Kia have torque converter lock-up like the FR-S? The slipping torque converter is the reason why regular automatics are so inefficient. The FR-S has a locking torque converter (2nd through 6th gear), greatly increasing efficiency.
It's easy to test whether the torque converter has lock-up or not, especially if the transmission has a manual mode. Just pop it in high gear while driving at a constant speed, then press the gas pedal and see if the revs jump up a little before the car starts to accelerate. A regular torque converter always allows some slip, so engine revs can change without affecting the speed of the car. But if the torque converter is in lock-up mode, it doesn't allow slip, so the revs cannot change without the car actually accelerating.
Oh well.. The manual Kia Forte Koup SX seems to have even worse fuel economy. I'm at a loss here for the reason for it having such poor efficiency. The 2 liter NA engine variant seems to get a little better mileage all around, so perhaps it's the turbocharged engine then. Perhaps it runs on boost even in low rpms, increasing fuel consumption?
Really? Part of the reason why autos were killing manuals is cause they have been proven to get better gas mileage, not saying you can't get better mpg in a manual over a auto in certain cars but unless your gears are set for such or you had enough practice in a manual to work it so, it's just hard to argue manual over most sportmatics or even basic autos
my uncle has one of these and he raced me in my 01 ford escape with the v6 and he only beat me by a couple of car lengths i was really dissapointed
This/Forte5 SX vs Fiesta ST?
Fiesta ST hands down
+OilBaron84 If you want the tech, conveniences, and comfort, get the Forte. If you want a car that you can have fun driving, Fiesta ST.
+rjmari Koup is actually fun to drive, just not as much as the ST.
+buildmorefarms100
Bingo, They are similar speed wise but while the Kia is about versatility (especially the Hatch version) the suspension on the ST is amazing for a FWD car. Reminds me of the Type R Integra.
Not a bad looking car, the interior looks decent as well, however; I'm not a big fan of the paddle shifters attached to the steering wheel.
Of the cars I've driven, I've found the steering wheel mounted ones to feel the most convenient. On the Evo there were times my hands weren't in the right spot for a shift (column mounted). Not a major difference though.
Very nice car
If I didn't know about cars and was just looking for a "nice" car, this would be on my list!
Edit: I just saw the price!! nevermind. jeezus, I was expecting it to be around 17k.
you were expecting this with all those features to be 17k?! good thing you know about cars!
The old model 2013 Koup with limited options can be around 17k
+Joe Antonio it's a kia.. have you see then k900???????
+frankth3frizz seen*
they really need to fix that track button.
I wonder what it is with their fuel economy. VW turbos get way MPG and put out much more power. Wish they could solve that problem.
SKEMETUBE Tiguan has a 200hp turbo and it gets like 19 and 25. It's awful on mileage
thrasherx2k1 yeah but that's a SUV and he's driving a car. Kia's gas mileage on all their cars seem to be sub par.
SKEMETUBE GTI with same motor got like 21 and 29 not much better.
Bro wich one is good car i have options elenctra 2017 or cerato coupe 2017 which one is more powerful and perfomens car
My 2012 Rio5 SX GDI has all the same features with sport suspension, just gets pretty bad gas mileage
+Grant Rodgers And RIO isn't doing 0-60 in 6.6 seconds. More like 0-60 in 6 minutes!
Nah it's fast enough
+Grant Rodgers How does a Rio get terrible fuel economy?!
I honestly don't know, it gets like 24 with like mostly 55 mph straight roads, but I drive it pretty aggressively when the time comes
It took me longer than it should have to get the track button joke.
track button was funny ha-ha nice joke there
26k for this? man that wrx money!!!
Is that a plastic exhaust manifold that I see? .___.
No, you'll probably never see that haha. But almost all intake manifolds are plastic these days.
Do a Kia Soul next. I drive one and I get crap because it's a white girl car but low key I love it
it's a white girl car? where I live I literally have not seen a single girl, nay, even a white person driving one...
+SoSickWidit Everyone here buys them for their daughters first car. It's a relatively cheap new or pre owned car with pretty good crash test ratings, it's a reliable engine that produces enough power while getting decent gas mileage, and it's roomy enough so they can fit lots of friends or fit all their dorm stuff in one. The sorority house parking lots are filled with them
+emertes17 It has a high safety rating, gets good gas and it's super cheap for a 2015 car. I don't think you have anything to be ashamed about.
I remember when I drove my aunts Prius on a 3 hour trip. I actually gained a little respect for the thing, I filled up before I left and never had to stop for the rest of the day, this is including traffic. Beautiful thing. My 300 S would've had to make a stop a couple of times for gas.
How does this man look 38 and 18 at the same time
You don't have much to say about Kia, huh? 6 minutes video. :0)
And....It is now discontinued
Hi well-reviewed but why not an overall one, boot, rear seats, city driving, annoying issues etc rather than leave us at mercy of finding out ourselves :)
Wish I also have a track button in my subbie
I should have got the Corvette, lol.
Afton mountain?
It's always damp in your tests :p
Civic si does 200hp stock