We try to make metallic crystals of copper by extremely slow electrolysis. Kinda boring video that didn't work too well. You should also join the Scrap Science Discord server here: / discord
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I think it’s just as valuable to upload your experiments when they don’t go as you’d hoped, as it is to upload the ones that go perfectly. It introduces concepts and ideas, and demonstrates an approach which can be taken forward by others or improved on by yourself. So thank you for sharing! Keep it up I love your channel
If you want lots of big copper crystals start with copper sheet. Heat to bright red heat and cool slowly. Next eat the oxide off with acid till its shiny and bright. Then use that as your cathode. For the anode use a bunch of thick copper wire. For the electrolyte use a mix of a copper salt, preferably nitrate and add ammonia till the solution becomes a vivid blue. The copper amine complex favors crystalline growth rather than dendritic growth. ❤
I think, for a first simple attempt, this gave a nice result. In the microscope pictures you could clearly see the flat surfaces of crystals. Really cool! Thank you!
I've done a bunch of electroplating and electroforming of copper for SC and EFP liners. There are a whole bunch of factors and conditions required to get the results you want. Copper chemistry is awesome. 50-100ma may have given you bigger distinct crystals.
Why should higher current help? How did you make thicker electroplating? I did buy electrolyte and professional "smoothing additive", but that is depleted extremely fast so not an option for larger things or thicker layers.
When I was a kid my dad worked at a factory that used an electroplating process, but the copper crystalized into awesome snowflake-like trees rather than the typical nodules. I gifted my best sample to my life sciences teacher in junior high. I wish I still had some, they were amazing. I never found out why they were so differently shaped. He said it was pure copper though.
My kids often talk about things being satisfying, but this is the first time I've been able to describe something in that way. When the fluid went through all the tubes to the second pot, that was satisfying to watch!
It looks like the world's most painful kidney stone
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They're pretty anyway! Have you seen sreetips's silver cell? He uses a stainless steel bowl cathode, silver nitrate solution, and a dirty silver anode of silver at 3.5 Volts constant voltage. His cells pull about 2.5 A with maybe a couple liters volume and make kilograms of silver crystals in about 10 days. I love electrochemistry! Keep exploring!
Every bit of deposited copper or silver is in crystal form. The question is what the size of the crystals is. Larger crystals = more pretty. Nice, large facets are possible, say a 1 cm large crystal. Using a ton of current (-density) will absolutely not make large, nice crystals but instead a mass of tiny crystals . I had a look at the person you named and found a video where the resulting crystals are visible: th-cam.com/video/MWzdJM05E2Q/w-d-xo.html They are everything but nice and big.
I've been able to grow similar copper crystals (much larger though) with a simple single-tub setup and much higher amperage in a matter of 2 weeks, actually as an unintended result of trying to purify copper (with an acidified copper sulphate electrolyte). I think 1 mA is a bit too low, tbh; unless you're hoping to reproduce natural crystal growth but that takes years...
*My father worked for General Motors back in the 1980s. He would bring home either nickel or chrome dendrites for us kids to play with. They looked like silver pieces of broccoli.* 😁
Really cool! I will definitely give this a go - since I'm already into plating (making everything from scratch). A lot of these same principles in your cell apply just in general for getting an even coverage in plating generally, though this is probably extra sensitive. A slowly rotating hook to hang things from can be a great method, and very cheaply DIYable with minimal electronics skills.
@@ScrapScience well they drove me to comment and increase engagement so nice work there. I did acutely google a few of the questions. Long time subscriber here so appreciate what you do. Just don't put yourself down when the results aren't what you would have liked. The close up shots of the copper crystals where awesome.
They still turned out good. IMHO the most beautiful crystals are grown from sublimation or chemical transport type methods. They display the unexpected, natural beauty of metals we ordinarily think of as plain grey sheets/lumps.
Let's make some math: 1 C = 1.036e-5 mols of electrons. 1mA=1mC/s = 1.036e-8mols/s of electrons. In 60 days: 60days*86400s*1.036e-8mols=5.184e6 seconds*1.036e-8mols = 0.054 mols of electrons were transfered. 1 Cu atom takes 2 electrons, hence 0.0268mols of copper were deposited, considering 100% efficiency. Copper has atomic weight of 63.543, and thus around 1.3g of copper was transferred. That is why your crystal is so small. I never did this experiment, but I would try increase the current just a little, say, to 5mA and try again!
Correct. However, the issue was never the total mass of copper we deposited. Instead, what I was concerned with was the sizes of the individual crystal domains. As you can see, the individual crystalline regions are scattered, there are lots of them, and they're very small when compared to the total size of the deposit. What I really wanted was for all of the deposited copper to grow in a smaller number of crystal domains that were better defined, larger, and with more visible facets.
@ScrapScience that is why you aimed for 90 days. Now I see... But would 5mA create more densely packed domains? I am just asking out of curiosity, as those currents values seem so small.
It could be incorrect, but I assumed that a lower current (and thus, slower growth) encourages the deposition of the copper atoms to align nicely with the surface crystal structure, since that's energetically favourable. At higher currents, the copper atoms are just more likely to land wherever they want and less likely to continue growing in a perfect crystal, and thus the orderly regions will end up much smaller. I chose 1 mA because it was the lowest I was willing to go (and the longest I was willing to wait) to get this experiment done.
You didn't do anything wrong but there are ways to improve the process. I did the experiment myself a few years ago, let it run for about 5 months and ended up with a nice almost spherical aggregate of interwoven copper crystals. I didn't use a contraption like yours, just a 500ml beaker with 2 anodes surrounding a central cathode. As constant current source I used a JFET in constant current configuration (gate connected to source, and selected for an Idss of around 1mA). The major changes I did as compared to your run were: I used a low concentration of copper sulfate, around 10g/L IIRC; and I limited the surface of the cathode exposed to the electrolyte by plunging just the end of the wire in about 2mm. That worked quite well in the end. When it was done I cleaned the crystal mass with toluene, and sprayed several layers of a clear lacquer.
Lol, I've grown dendrites like those over night trying to copper plate leaves. The challenge with electroplating objects is to not get dendrites like the one you achieved. I don't think the hypothesis of increasing the relative distance of the microscopic dendrite is actually at play. The sharp point of the dendrite will act as an electron emitter regardless. To get smooth plating you can add some glycerol and a pulsed power supply. A pulsed voltage increases the throwing power of the plating. Cheers!
Yeah I think a lot of my assumptions about how to do this were wrong. It was pretty annoying waiting for so long without taking the copper out of the cell and then seeing something that didn't even look different to a dendrite that would grow in less than a day. Oh well. Thanks for the ideas! I'll give it a go if I try this again (though that's unlikely for the foreseeable future).
@@ScrapScience I think you should look at the copper sulfate pourbaix diagram. Plating metals can sometimes be a bit more tricky than dissolving the anode and bringing it back to a solid state, especially if the metals are too reactive and would rather form oxides rather than be reduced back to metal. For example, have you ever heard of titanium being plated onto another metal? Not in aqueous solution, but it has been accomplished electrochemically using ionic liquid method (lower temperature than molten salts). Metal plating can be fun, there is a bit of an art vs science due to many factors influencing the outcome. Often times something textbook doesn't work as you think it should only to find that you need to add some obscure/secret additive to get the desired outcome.
It's nice you upload experiments that "fails". We can learn a lot from failures. We must embrace our failures more than our successes 🙂 Maybe instead of a copper rod you could try a more point-like cathode (insulated copper wire, with a sharp cut, exposing only mayby 0.1-0.5 mm2 to the electrolyte) to make sure that the deposition is more concentrated. And then sloooowly increase the current, related to the growing surface area over days and weeks ... at the lowest practical temperature. With some slow, but steady steering of the electrolyte solution. Just a thought 🙂
Why does there need to be a minimum current density? Should the crystals not form best with the lowest current, allowing them to settle down at the optimal spot?
Perhaps you should have increased the current density to achieve bigger crystals. I assume, that the threshold level for imperfections is still above the values you had set in. Crystal growth is also dependent on temperature. Cooling the solution and increasing current flow.
@@travisduggins I think we used silver nitrate and a paper clip to grow the crystals it was like 1965 The silver formed into long spikes and seemed transparent.
No, I didn't. It's somewhat unlikely I'll be revisiting those projects - I'm not really a fan of the inefficiency of the clay pot diaphragms and the side reactions that prevent nitric acid from being generated.
@ ah damn, was wondering if the yeild would of increased, as it makes a lot of sense having the extra pot for hydrogen instead of the ammonia, thanks anyway good video
@ ah damn, was wondering if the yeild would of increased, as it makes a lot of sense having the extra pot for hydrogen instead of the ammonia, thanks anyway good video
Yeah, sorry if it's not the answer you wanted to hear. It would certainly increase the efficiency on a large timescale, but I'm still sceptical of the overall efficiency of the process due to the nitrate-destroying reactions on the anode.
Would you be willing to take a request? I've got jugs of photographic fix in from making prints and I always wondered what the steps would be to use electrolysis to recover some of it and maybe make jewellery out of it. Any chance you might look into that some time?
Unless you go to the effort of making an amorphous structure, "regular copper" is still always crystalline to some degree - the crystals are just very small. Having bigger crystals doesn't meaningfully change the electrical properties. It just looks cool :)
You can realistically get something like a 10% reduction in electrical resistance, maybe a little more, with macroscopic crystals versus the nanoscale crystals most metal materials have. It's certainly not enough to justify the extreme price hike of manufacturing copper wire that way for almost any application.
This is quite a nice copper crystal, just not big enough. Why don't you try again? I did the same experiment too and I managed to get a pretty sizable crystal, I mean, it was a lot bigger than this and it took a lot less time too. In fact the only two things that limited the size of my crystal were the amount of raw copper available to me and time, since I did not have a setup safe enough to run the cell at night. Still, I definitely did not take 60 days and I only ran the cell during daytime. I used a much higher current, 300mA, I think. The only problem with it is that the crystal is very fragile, so you have to find a sweet spot, where the current isn't too low, but isn't too high. As for the oxidation problem, I quite liked the colour of the oxide, so I deliberately oxidized it to a purple colour and then coated it with super glue so that it does not oxidize further. It is definitely possible to make a crystal larger than that, and in lesser time too, the structure of the crystal may be slightly different, but it will definitely still produce those wonderful dendrites. Be sure to try this experiment again, it's such an easy experiment. After all this channel has an incredible history of doing really complex experiments and this is a relatively simple one.
My issue with it is not the size of the deposit. I just want the individual crystalline domains to be larger (or at least, large enough to see clearly). I wanted to see large single crystals of the metal instead of tree-like growth. I'm not all that interested in just making a 'tree' of copper, though that's cool for different reasons.
@@ScrapScience The one I made strikingly resembled an underwater coral reef. It weighs almost exactly 20.53 grams and looks really quite nice. I'll send you an image of it as soon as I can if you want.
@@ScrapScience I once tried this for months using a microcontroller to reverse the polarity and thus selectively remove the protrusions. The current was extremely small, I simply used the 5 V and limited with a resistor down to something like 1 mA. At those values you can essentially ignore the resistance of the liquid compared to the resistor. Anyway, I did get some larger facets, perhaps 1 mm the largest, but it did not get better over time and a lot of oxide formed mixed into the copper, visible as clear, red crystals. I assume that an inert atmosphere is important and/or a somewhat high cathodic potential to prevent oxidation.
By god sir! Metal plating not interesting? I hereby challenge you to get some nice and shiny copper deposits. How about plating objects that are not conductive? Electroforming is basically spawning metal shapes out of a jar of acid and copper. Mirror bright plating? Trying to DIY cyanide-free silver/gold? There are so many possibilities!
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thats why you put extra sulfuric acid on the electroplating (external or generated in the electrolysis) to convert the dendrites back to copper sulfate. the positive electrode can be graphite and not copper, so your source of copper is the solution and not the metal electrode itself. also that makes the sulfuric acid generation on the fly and oxygen at the graphite electrode. just use extra sulfuric acid and super low current, in the milliamperes range. then all dendrites will be dissolved and a strong film of copper metal will form. yep the semiconductor copper oxide will conduct. its also kinda a super capacitor battery at the same time. yep copper - air (graphite) battery. very low voltage but still. each dendrite has high surface area along the dendrite, so it gets eaten faster than the object foil surface. or thin dendrite lines, which get dropped to the bottom of the electrolyte container very fast. if you get pink copper film then you done it right. lab power supply has the current voltage limiter built-in. you could also just use a potentiometer or static resistor to get your fixed current. pure copper non-oxidized is pink. metallic copper brown is not pure copper, its covered with the semiconductor oxides partly, but better than the black, worse than the pink. when using the graphite electrode, you will always get the extra sulfuric acid to keep the pink color during the whole process. this is a very practical copper part manufacturing process. very exciting.
I don’t know if wire are monocristals but if they aren’t it is definitely one of the reasons of this semi failure. Also I’m pretty sure the smaller the starting electrode is the better but I have no sources.
Feom what i can see online, native copper crystals are tiny, like sand grain tiny and rhose took thousands of years. Id say theres a likelihood that it just doesnt want to be larger and there's not a whole lot you can do.
Not the greatest project I've done lately, but not every experiment can be a winner.
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I think it’s just as valuable to upload your experiments when they don’t go as you’d hoped, as it is to upload the ones that go perfectly. It introduces concepts and ideas, and demonstrates an approach which can be taken forward by others or improved on by yourself. So thank you for sharing! Keep it up I love your channel
Yes very few TH-camrs do that now a days
Agreed
If you want lots of big copper crystals start with copper sheet. Heat to bright red heat and cool slowly. Next eat the oxide off with acid till its shiny and bright. Then use that as your cathode. For the anode use a bunch of thick copper wire. For the electrolyte use a mix of a copper salt, preferably nitrate and add ammonia till the solution becomes a vivid blue. The copper amine complex favors crystalline growth rather than dendritic growth. ❤
This is so specific lol. Who discovered this?
I think, for a first simple attempt, this gave a nice result. In the microscope pictures you could clearly see the flat surfaces of crystals. Really cool! Thank you!
I've done a bunch of electroplating and electroforming of copper for SC and EFP liners. There are a whole bunch of factors and conditions required to get the results you want. Copper chemistry is awesome. 50-100ma may have given you bigger distinct crystals.
Why should higher current help?
How did you make thicker electroplating? I did buy electrolyte and professional "smoothing additive", but that is depleted extremely fast so not an option for larger things or thicker layers.
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Have you seen Les' Lab recent video on growing crystals? I feel like some of the methods can be used here too, like agitating the solution constantly.
When I was a kid my dad worked at a factory that used an electroplating process, but the copper crystalized into awesome snowflake-like trees rather than the typical nodules. I gifted my best sample to my life sciences teacher in junior high. I wish I still had some, they were amazing. I never found out why they were so differently shaped. He said it was pure copper though.
My kids often talk about things being satisfying, but this is the first time I've been able to describe something in that way.
When the fluid went through all the tubes to the second pot, that was satisfying to watch!
It looks like the world's most painful kidney stone
They're pretty anyway! Have you seen sreetips's silver cell? He uses a stainless steel bowl cathode, silver nitrate solution, and a dirty silver anode of silver at 3.5 Volts constant voltage. His cells pull about 2.5 A with maybe a couple liters volume and make kilograms of silver crystals in about 10 days. I love electrochemistry! Keep exploring!
Every bit of deposited copper or silver is in crystal form. The question is what the size of the crystals is. Larger crystals = more pretty. Nice, large facets are possible, say a 1 cm large crystal. Using a ton of current (-density) will absolutely not make large, nice crystals but instead a mass of tiny crystals . I had a look at the person you named and found a video where the resulting crystals are visible: th-cam.com/video/MWzdJM05E2Q/w-d-xo.html
They are everything but nice and big.
Yeah there's definitely beauty to sreetips' silver crystals, but they're generally not the large single crystals that I was looking to make.
I used copper deposition to plug cast iron crack and then melt it into the crack.
I've been able to grow similar copper crystals (much larger though) with a simple single-tub setup and much higher amperage in a matter of 2 weeks, actually as an unintended result of trying to purify copper (with an acidified copper sulphate electrolyte). I think 1 mA is a bit too low, tbh; unless you're hoping to reproduce natural crystal growth but that takes years...
Yeah. I just assumed 'slower is better', but maybe I'll rethink that if I try this again...
*My father worked for General Motors back in the 1980s. He would bring home either nickel or chrome dendrites for us kids to play with. They looked like silver pieces of broccoli.* 😁
Nice! They always look cool. No need to worry about those oxidising either.
Really cool! I will definitely give this a go - since I'm already into plating (making everything from scratch).
A lot of these same principles in your cell apply just in general for getting an even coverage in plating generally, though this is probably extra sensitive. A slowly rotating hook to hang things from can be a great method, and very cheaply DIYable with minimal electronics skills.
Why did we not answer any of the questions posed in the beginning.?
They were just there to provoke thought. I hope they’ll stick with you.
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@@ScrapScience well they drove me to comment and increase engagement so nice work there. I did acutely google a few of the questions. Long time subscriber here so appreciate what you do. Just don't put yourself down when the results aren't what you would have liked. The close up shots of the copper crystals where awesome.
They still turned out good. IMHO the most beautiful crystals are grown from sublimation or chemical transport type methods. They display the unexpected, natural beauty of metals we ordinarily think of as plain grey sheets/lumps.
Let's make some math:
1 C = 1.036e-5 mols of electrons. 1mA=1mC/s = 1.036e-8mols/s of electrons.
In 60 days: 60days*86400s*1.036e-8mols=5.184e6 seconds*1.036e-8mols = 0.054 mols of electrons were transfered.
1 Cu atom takes 2 electrons, hence 0.0268mols of copper were deposited, considering 100% efficiency. Copper has atomic weight of 63.543, and thus around 1.3g of copper was transferred.
That is why your crystal is so small.
I never did this experiment, but I would try increase the current just a little, say, to 5mA and try again!
Correct.
However, the issue was never the total mass of copper we deposited. Instead, what I was concerned with was the sizes of the individual crystal domains. As you can see, the individual crystalline regions are scattered, there are lots of them, and they're very small when compared to the total size of the deposit. What I really wanted was for all of the deposited copper to grow in a smaller number of crystal domains that were better defined, larger, and with more visible facets.
@ScrapScience that is why you aimed for 90 days. Now I see...
But would 5mA create more densely packed domains? I am just asking out of curiosity, as those currents values seem so small.
It could be incorrect, but I assumed that a lower current (and thus, slower growth) encourages the deposition of the copper atoms to align nicely with the surface crystal structure, since that's energetically favourable. At higher currents, the copper atoms are just more likely to land wherever they want and less likely to continue growing in a perfect crystal, and thus the orderly regions will end up much smaller.
I chose 1 mA because it was the lowest I was willing to go (and the longest I was willing to wait) to get this experiment done.
You didn't do anything wrong but there are ways to improve the process. I did the experiment myself a few years ago, let it run for about 5 months and ended up with a nice almost spherical aggregate of interwoven copper crystals. I didn't use a contraption like yours, just a 500ml beaker with 2 anodes surrounding a central cathode. As constant current source I used a JFET in constant current configuration (gate connected to source, and selected for an Idss of around 1mA). The major changes I did as compared to your run were: I used a low concentration of copper sulfate, around 10g/L IIRC; and I limited the surface of the cathode exposed to the electrolyte by plunging just the end of the wire in about 2mm. That worked quite well in the end. When it was done I cleaned the crystal mass with toluene, and sprayed several layers of a clear lacquer.
Lol, I've grown dendrites like those over night trying to copper plate leaves. The challenge with electroplating objects is to not get dendrites like the one you achieved. I don't think the hypothesis of increasing the relative distance of the microscopic dendrite is actually at play. The sharp point of the dendrite will act as an electron emitter regardless. To get smooth plating you can add some glycerol and a pulsed power supply. A pulsed voltage increases the throwing power of the plating. Cheers!
Yeah I think a lot of my assumptions about how to do this were wrong. It was pretty annoying waiting for so long without taking the copper out of the cell and then seeing something that didn't even look different to a dendrite that would grow in less than a day.
Oh well.
Thanks for the ideas! I'll give it a go if I try this again (though that's unlikely for the foreseeable future).
I have to mention that the pH and temperature control is also important.
@@ScrapScience I think you should look at the copper sulfate pourbaix diagram. Plating metals can sometimes be a bit more tricky than dissolving the anode and bringing it back to a solid state, especially if the metals are too reactive and would rather form oxides rather than be reduced back to metal. For example, have you ever heard of titanium being plated onto another metal? Not in aqueous solution, but it has been accomplished electrochemically using ionic liquid method (lower temperature than molten salts). Metal plating can be fun, there is a bit of an art vs science due to many factors influencing the outcome. Often times something textbook doesn't work as you think it should only to find that you need to add some obscure/secret additive to get the desired outcome.
I've used a copper acetate solution with some glycerol (about 5%).
The glycerol makes the crystals much less brittle.
It's nice you upload experiments that "fails". We can learn a lot from failures. We must embrace our failures more than our successes 🙂
Maybe instead of a copper rod you could try a more point-like cathode (insulated copper wire, with a sharp cut, exposing only mayby 0.1-0.5 mm2 to the electrolyte) to make sure that the deposition is more concentrated. And then sloooowly increase the current, related to the growing surface area over days and weeks ... at the lowest practical temperature. With some slow, but steady steering of the electrolyte solution. Just a thought 🙂
Why does there need to be a minimum current density? Should the crystals not form best with the lowest current, allowing them to settle down at the optimal spot?
Perhaps you should have increased the current density to achieve bigger crystals. I assume, that the threshold level for imperfections is still above the values you had set in. Crystal growth is also dependent on temperature. Cooling the solution and increasing current flow.
I remember making silver crystals in high school that seemed transparent.
Tell me more please
@@travisduggins I think we used silver nitrate and a paper clip to grow the crystals it was like 1965 The silver formed into long spikes and seemed transparent.
@mrdovie47 interesting!
did you ever redo the electrolysis of nitric acid again but with the small pot for the postassium to prevent ammonia?
No, I didn't.
It's somewhat unlikely I'll be revisiting those projects - I'm not really a fan of the inefficiency of the clay pot diaphragms and the side reactions that prevent nitric acid from being generated.
@ ah damn, was wondering if the yeild would of increased, as it makes a lot of sense having the extra pot for hydrogen instead of the ammonia, thanks anyway good video
@ ah damn, was wondering if the yeild would of increased, as it makes a lot of sense having the extra pot for hydrogen instead of the ammonia, thanks anyway good video
Yeah, sorry if it's not the answer you wanted to hear. It would certainly increase the efficiency on a large timescale, but I'm still sceptical of the overall efficiency of the process due to the nitrate-destroying reactions on the anode.
@@ScrapScience no worries my friend
When I do this I'm going to use a large metal pot as the anode and suspend the cathode in the middle.
Cool but this can only work if the anode is copper
Would you be willing to take a request? I've got jugs of photographic fix in from making prints and I always wondered what the steps would be to use electrolysis to recover some of it and maybe make jewellery out of it. Any chance you might look into that some time?
You should be able to use pretty much the exact same process as shown.
Well, i liked the video
I wonder about its electric properties. Are they the same as for regular copper or are there some differences?
It's just copper, same properties.
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Graphite and diamond are also just carbon…
@pvc988 yes, but they have different structures. This is just regular copper.
Unless you go to the effort of making an amorphous structure, "regular copper" is still always crystalline to some degree - the crystals are just very small. Having bigger crystals doesn't meaningfully change the electrical properties. It just looks cool :)
You can realistically get something like a 10% reduction in electrical resistance, maybe a little more, with macroscopic crystals versus the nanoscale crystals most metal materials have. It's certainly not enough to justify the extreme price hike of manufacturing copper wire that way for almost any application.
This is quite a nice copper crystal, just not big enough. Why don't you try again? I did the same experiment too and I managed to get a pretty sizable crystal, I mean, it was a lot bigger than this and it took a lot less time too. In fact the only two things that limited the size of my crystal were the amount of raw copper available to me and time, since I did not have a setup safe enough to run the cell at night. Still, I definitely did not take 60 days and I only ran the cell during daytime. I used a much higher current, 300mA, I think. The only problem with it is that the crystal is very fragile, so you have to find a sweet spot, where the current isn't too low, but isn't too high. As for the oxidation problem, I quite liked the colour of the oxide, so I deliberately oxidized it to a purple colour and then coated it with super glue so that it does not oxidize further. It is definitely possible to make a crystal larger than that, and in lesser time too, the structure of the crystal may be slightly different, but it will definitely still produce those wonderful dendrites. Be sure to try this experiment again, it's such an easy experiment. After all this channel has an incredible history of doing really complex experiments and this is a relatively simple one.
Did you make "a" crystal or a bunch of copper? The latter is really easy, but making large (single) crystals really is not.
My issue with it is not the size of the deposit. I just want the individual crystalline domains to be larger (or at least, large enough to see clearly). I wanted to see large single crystals of the metal instead of tree-like growth. I'm not all that interested in just making a 'tree' of copper, though that's cool for different reasons.
@@ScrapScience The one I made strikingly resembled an underwater coral reef. It weighs almost exactly 20.53 grams and looks really quite nice. I'll send you an image of it as soon as I can if you want.
@@ScrapScience I once tried this for months using a microcontroller to reverse the polarity and thus selectively remove the protrusions. The current was extremely small, I simply used the 5 V and limited with a resistor down to something like 1 mA. At those values you can essentially ignore the resistance of the liquid compared to the resistor. Anyway, I did get some larger facets, perhaps 1 mm the largest, but it did not get better over time and a lot of oxide formed mixed into the copper, visible as clear, red crystals. I assume that an inert atmosphere is important and/or a somewhat high cathodic potential to prevent oxidation.
fun to see. i was doing that to get tin from pewter.
By god sir! Metal plating not interesting? I hereby challenge you to get some nice and shiny copper deposits.
How about plating objects that are not conductive? Electroforming is basically spawning metal shapes out of a jar of acid and copper. Mirror bright plating? Trying to DIY cyanide-free silver/gold? There are so many possibilities!
I mean, there's definitely a lot to it, but it doesn't inspire me in the same way that electrolytic synthesis does.
Your sample looks much like googles' images
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thats why you put extra sulfuric acid on the electroplating (external or generated in the electrolysis) to convert the dendrites back to copper sulfate. the positive electrode can be graphite and not copper, so your source of copper is the solution and not the metal electrode itself. also that makes the sulfuric acid generation on the fly and oxygen at the graphite electrode. just use extra sulfuric acid and super low current, in the milliamperes range. then all dendrites will be dissolved and a strong film of copper metal will form. yep the semiconductor copper oxide will conduct. its also kinda a super capacitor battery at the same time. yep copper - air (graphite) battery. very low voltage but still. each dendrite has high surface area along the dendrite, so it gets eaten faster than the object foil surface. or thin dendrite lines, which get dropped to the bottom of the electrolyte container very fast. if you get pink copper film then you done it right. lab power supply has the current voltage limiter built-in. you could also just use a potentiometer or static resistor to get your fixed current. pure copper non-oxidized is pink. metallic copper brown is not pure copper, its covered with the semiconductor oxides partly, but better than the black, worse than the pink. when using the graphite electrode, you will always get the extra sulfuric acid to keep the pink color during the whole process. this is a very practical copper part manufacturing process. very exciting.
I don’t know if wire are monocristals but if they aren’t it is definitely one of the reasons of this semi failure. Also I’m pretty sure the smaller the starting electrode is the better but I have no sources.
Copper wire, like almost any metal object you can find anywhere, has a lot of very small crystals. Making monocrystal metal objects is expensive.
Feom what i can see online, native copper crystals are tiny, like sand grain tiny and rhose took thousands of years. Id say theres a likelihood that it just doesnt want to be larger and there's not a whole lot you can do.
I want to watch the clip but I can't understand it.
Thank you for the incredible video in Portuguese. I will follow you on discord😁