Nur derjenige wird Oberschlesien verstehen, der in Oberschlesien geboren wurde. Das war ein Land mit viel Liebe und Herz, wo die Leute freundschaftlich- und gutgesinnt waren. Jede Ecke, die hier auf den Bilder gezeigt wurde, ist mir bekannt. Ich bedanke mich recht herzlich für die Präsentation.
Mein Grossvater Paul Clemens ist als Ältester von 12 Kindern in Beuthen geboren...Eine Musikkapelle Urgrossvater war Kapellmeister ....Deshalb konnte Mama so wunderschön singen ....
Beuthen bekannte sich in der Volksabstimmung des Jahres 1921 mit großer Mehrheit zu Deutschland ! Dieses deutsche Erbe versuchte man den Oberschlesiern (und nicht nur ihnen) künstlich auszutreiben. Ich lege zur oft vergessenen Geschichte Oberschlesiens allen einmal das folgende, sehr sehenswerte Video hier auf TH-cam wärmstens ans Herz: ,,Oberschlesien - Unvergessene Heimat im Osten"
Considering there were 22,401 Poles and 41,071 Germans in Bytom it's not a large surprise nor is it an achievement, it simply followed suit other Upper Silesian cities and roughly half of each demographic group voted for their respected country. We should also consider the fact that Polish identity in Upper Silesia was not yet developed, similar to Ukrainians in Galicia or even "Tutejszy" in Polesie. German Silesians tended to identify more often as German due to the region being owned by Germany, while the Polish identity had last been spread there during the Ostsiedlung, and had just recently started to spread due to the introduction of various press, church and so on. Bytom was probably the most major centre of Polishness in Upper Silesia (and is often referred to as), hence the reason the Polish plebiscite committee was located in the city. Furthermore the localities around Bytom such as Szombierki (Schomberg), Miechowice (Miechowitz) and so on besides Bobrek (by roughly 300 more votes for Germany), which are nowadays part of the city of Bytom voted for Poland, so did most cities, towns and villages in the Bytom Rural District (Lankreis Beuthen) like Piekary Wielkie (Deutsche Piekar) or Szarlej.
@@dddhughaahhhd1908 It's BS. Remember the refereni that took place in other parts of East Germany, such as Southern East Prussia. The demographics also don't add with the voting result and suggest that even Poles voted for Germany, since the support was way higher than the 41,000 Germans living in Beuthen at that time.
@@maxmustermann4149 That is because Bytom was one of the most highly contested cities during the plebiscite, meaning that both sides sent huge amounts of immigrants to the city to vote on their behalf. Sure it wasn't unusual for Poles to vote for Germany just as it wasn't unusual for Germans to vote for Poland. As for the Plebiscite in Warmia, Masuria and Powisle, the circumstances surrounding make it stand out and make it completely incomparable with Silesia: Nota bene the lack of any national identity in Masuria whilst in Silesia the Polish community had been fostering it's national identity for some time already. Of course I could list more details regarding the East Prussian Plebiscite but it simply isn't the subject. I'd also like to note the fact that it was Poland that advocated for the permission for immigrants to vote, however it was Germany who took advantage of this law; sending in tons of immigrants from within the Reich whilst Poland embroiled in the Polish-Bolshevik war could little do.
Bytom był polskim miastem .Potem Kazimierz Wielki sprezentowal swojemu kuzynowi ,który był wtedy królem Czech , nasz bogaty w węgiel i inne zasoby mineralne Śląsk. Następnie przeszedł w ręce niemieckie i tak trwał do 1945, kiedy wrocil do Polski. My Polacy powinniśmy graniczyć z Francja ,wtedy nie doszło by do tej wielkiej tragedii w 1939 i w Europie nie.zginelo by 70 milionów ludzi.
Lustitia Pax: deine Antworten an den bigotten Polen sind alle richtig und von großer Geschichtskenntnis getragen, weiter so und danke! Your answers to the Polish nationalist are all right and based on a great knowledge of history, go on and thanks!
Łańcut liegt etwa 200 Kilometer östlich von Krakau, also 300 Kilometer von Katowice entfernt. Dein Wissen ist erbärmlich. Auf dem Weg hast du die Trennwände umgangen. Breslau oder Dansing sind Deutsche, das ist eine Tatsache, aber wir haben diese Entscheidungen nicht getroffen. Die Welt wurde durch Russland, Amerika und England geteilt. Ich schlage vor, dass Sie Ihr Wissen vertiefen, bevor Sie erneut versuchen, die Geschichte zu verzerren
@@mateuszkaniowski170 Breslau u. Danzig waren fast 100% dt. Städte, Beuthen nach der Volksabstimmung 1922 nur zu etwa 75%. Die Polen forderten v. ihrem verbündeten Stalin die Herausgabe Ostdeutschlands und bekamen sie als angebliche "ehemals westpolnische Gebiete" durch ihn, leider auch durch Akzeptanz der 3 Westmächte. Aber der polnische Wunsch war ausschlaggebend, Sie bedürfen sehr viel an historischer Nachhilfe, weil Sie bewußt die Fakten fälschen.
Nie potrafię pojąć...jak można doprowadzić miasto do takiej ruiny. Zachwycam się starymi zdjęciami Bytomia. Polacy spieprzą wszystko. W 1936 pociąg trasę Beuthen-Berlin pokonywał w 4,5h a dziś w 8h! (Latający pieron)
@TheWieczory I take scientific history classes and research. First, the duchy of Bohemia (as well as the ethnic Czech margraviate of Moravia) was subject and inside the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation. Secondly, Reinbern, Otto III etc. were all Germans. And even the Polanie nobility (like that of Kievan Rus') was of Germanic ancient origin, possibly Scandinavian like the Slavicized Samborids. There was much assimilation.
@IustitiaPax Mieszko was called "Dagome Iudex" only in a summary (from XI century) of the Church document (the original text is missing). "Dagome" could have been his second (Christian) name. He and his ancestors (Siemowit, Lestek and Siemomysł) had Slavic names - that's why they were (most probably) Slavs.
@RitterDesHimmels1 Haha. Berlin, unlike Köpenick, is not of Slavic origin at, as the West Slavic name was taken from the East Germanic Burgundian name. Likewise the Spree (Spreewald etc.) was from the West Slavic name, but this itself was from East Germanic origin. Likewise, Rujanes-Ranii (Rügen) from Rugii (Germanics). Slavs, Balts and Germanic tribes were all related Indo-European tribes. Most names are German though, most new town foundations.
@RitterDesHimmels1 The Markomanni in Bohemia had a modern kingdom at the time of the Romans already, although it was in demise at Great migrations Era. God bless you.
@ego682 co chcesz odzyskać ? Odzyskałeś Bytom w 45 i proszę miasto kompletnie zniszcznone w przeciągu 60 lat które było budowane i doprowadzone do pięknego stanu przez setki lat .Poza tym co ma Bytom obecnie wspólnego z Małopolską poza krótkim epizodem w średniowieczu ?
@RitterDesHimmels1 Poland-Lithuania as well as Hungary-Croatia and Serbia were indeed antemurale christianitatis. I agree. But Jan III Sobieski was never anti-German and expelling Germans. No, he knew about Gluchoniemcy.
Wenn mer suuntichs ei de Kerche giehn, 'swoar emmer asu, 'swoar emmer asu, Bleib mer voar awing bem Kratschm stiehn, 'swoar emmer asu, asu, Do loo ber moncha guda Truppa Ei inse Kahle nunderluppa, Denn mer sein joa gude Kenderla, 'swoar emmer asu, 'swoar emmer asu, Denn mer sein joa gude Kenderla, 'swoar emmer asu, asu. - This is the Silesian German language. 100 % of Silesians understand it. Even Slavic-speaking Upper Silesians. Beuthen was German dialect mostly.
@IustitiaPax na ja... selbstverständlich :) Niemcy byli i sa nadal znaczaca czescia Naszego pieknego Slaska !!! To ma byc Autonomia do wszystkich Slazakow. I jak MY wszyscy TO kapnom - to bydzie dobrze :)) Pozdrawiom - Grüß Andi
@RitterDesHimmels1 The Holy Roman Empire and the German nation gave Europe not only most Germanic dynasties and most technological inventions, but also a bulwark against the East. Of course I agree that Germans inherited modern Roman Law from the Western Roman Empire, of whom the Germanic Franks were heirs - both in East Francia and in France. Italians also contributed. Poles too. But Poland needed Germans first, not other way around. Haller de Hallerburg?
@RitterDesHimmels1 It is the historical fact. It is not like your false rhetorical device. Germany was like the armed humiliated policeman surrounded by thieves with pistols and sticks, crying 'War!'. Germany merely struck out against the thief armed with a one bullet pistol and one club. The Polish regime wanted the war against Germany, for which many diplomatic solutions would have been possible. Historical truth does not lie. Chauvinists and communists do.
@RitterDesHimmels1 They were rulers over a Slavic people, just Saint Vladimir of Kiev, but the nobility of Kievan Rus' were of Germanic (Viking Rus') origin. I am not making this up. The nobility of the South Slavs (Bulgaria etc.) were indeed of Slavic origin. Not so in Poland. The Polanie etc. were all tribally ruled areas, and not even in 983 AD a proper state like the Holy Roman Empire. Dago or Dagome is of Frankish origin. Nobility intermarried, as did others.
Yes, this is one big civil war of ethnic conflict, ideological conflicts, mixed together. Read Ernst Nolte. WW1 was started by English and French secret services who used Serbia as the ignition of their economic pseudo-crusade war against the German Empire. Russia fell into this, like Italy, and from 1917 USA. WW2 was the same, now with Poland in the role of being provoker and ignition instrument. I agree on friendship in Europe between peoples!
@AndyBeuthen Śląsk dla Ślązaków! Rzeczywiście! (Nie zapomnij: Górnośląskiego Niemcy są Ślązaków! Przykład, biskup Biskup Walter Mixa z pięknych Königshütte/Królewska Huta!)
@TheWieczory Firstly, the 'small German solution' of the German Empire (2nd Empire) under Prussia was founded in 1870, but Germany as a country dates back from 966 AD. A unified state, older than the Polanie 983 AD tribal ducal state. 966 was the foundation of the German Empire (1st Empire) by German kings. Not that I do not respect Poland. Many Poles are in fact Germans, Łańcut = Landshut. Quite German, not? And Dresden is German, like Breslau - 2nd city of Germany.
Łańcut is about 200 kilometers east of Krakow, that is 300 from Katowice. Your knowledge is pathetic. On the way, you bypassed the partitions. Breslau or Dansing are German, it is a fact, but it was not us who made these decisions. The world was divided by Russia, America and England. I propose to deepen your knowledge before trying to distort history again.
Łańcut liegt etwa 200 Kilometer östlich von Krakau, also 300 Kilometer von Katowice entfernt. Dein Wissen ist erbärmlich. Auf dem Weg hast du die Trennwände umgangen. Breslau oder Dansing sind Deutsche, das ist eine Tatsache, aber wir haben diese Entscheidungen nicht getroffen. Die Welt wurde durch Russland, Amerika und England geteilt. Ich schlage vor, dass Sie Ihr Wissen vertiefen, bevor Sie erneut versuchen, die Geschichte zu verzerren
Kiedyś mądrzejszy ślązak od ciebie powiedział że na śląsku zachowała się staropolska wersja języka Polskiego. Więc lepiej zachowaj swoje durne wywody dla siebie. W czasie II wojny światowej niemcy zabronili mieszkańcom śląska rozmów w dialekcie śląskim, gdyż był on bardziej Polski niż niemiecki. Poza tym nie słyszałem o ślązaku mieszkającym w niemczech, który by sie nie wstydził mówić o tym że jest ze śląska i mówił po śląsku w obecności niemców.
Jo pochodza z Miechowic do Bytomia jezdzioł zech najpierw z ojcym na pochody pierwszo majowe potym som na blaje jak sie nie chciało do szkoły a teraz widza jak Bytom umiero po mału szkoda że ino zostaną filmy i stare fotografie
@RitterDesHimmels1 Mieszko I was called Mesico Dago. Like Dagobert. Frankish name, common also among Viking Raiders after 850 AD raids and Normannish settlement. Please note: I like Polish folk culture and I like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, I like European monarchies, especially non-chauvinist. I however consider Pan-Slavic and particularist Slavic (Polish, Czech) extreme nationalism as heresies.
ich habe in Groß-Beuthen meine Ausbildung gemacht vor gefühlten 100 jahren ^^ es wird aber keine verbindung geben zu diesem beuthen hier, wie auch das brandenburgische Philadelphia ja keine Verbindung zu dem Philadelphia in Amerika hat
@IustitiaPax Approximately 90% of old German towns are of non-German origin. That's why they have mostly Slavic, Roman or Celtic names. Berlin is the best example. All German cars are made with the aid of the Polish workers - similar logic as yours;)
@RitterDesHimmels1 The German people only settled the regions of Eastern Europe which were allied or connected to the Holy Roman Empire. Do you also want to expell Austrian Germans from Carinthia, from Klagenfurt and other areas temporarily held from the 6th century AD until the 10th century by Slavic tribal dukes? Germans were loved everywhere for their craftsmanschip, their advanced technology and work ethic. It was organical settlement, not 'colonization' like Polish occupation of Breslau!
@RitterDesHimmels1 The Polish Germanophobe paranoia against Germans, Germany, Austria etc. is silly. Germans contributed to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and Poles, Silesians and Germans in 1241 AD together fought the Battle of Wahlstatt near Liegnitz. Mieszko was an 'amicus imperatoris' (friend of Otto III). Wettins were Germans. The Partitions were not a nationalist, but an absolutist-imperial exercise. Stop your chauvinistic divisioning.
dokladnie, Bytom jak i inne miasta, miasteczka, wsie Pomorza, Prus czy Slaska bylo cudowne, lecz to nie jest problem dewastacji wczesniejszej, lecz i dzisiejszej, wiele budynkow w Bytomiu jest nie remontowana z wolnymi mieszkaniami, a tak mowia ze mieszkan w PL brakuje w Bytomiu centrum jest jakos wyludnione i do wyburzania kamienic zazwyczaj unikatow doprowadza ZBM (zarzad budynkow miejskich) przez zabijanie okien niszczenie schodow, i brak kontroli nad majatkiem,czyli typowa polityka:TO NIE JA
+xxl What is the first song? The style of music and singing are very typical for Germany - sounds nice! And the dialect sounds like East German (Ostpreussische, Schlesischen or at least Sächsisch Dialekt), right? Is it still possible to hear such dialect in modern Germany?
@redwingstarone szanse mniejszy ma, bo decyduje o swoim podworku, gdzie wie jakie sa potrzeby, co trzeba zrobic i ma wieksze szanse na pozyskanie funduszy.
@Skansener Lwów built by Poles? No. Lwów was built by both Poles, Ruthenians (Ukrainians), Jews, Romanians and Austrians alike. Including the Galician German minority even! Lwów in 1890 had only 47 % Polish population. This is not an absolute majority, although they formed the largest single ethnicity in the town of course. While you admit that Beuthen was built by Germans, many Polish chauvinists still claim Stettin, Beuthen etc. are 'our ancient Polish Slavic empire'. Primitive propaganda.
@IustitiaPax The Germans played their role in spreading the western civilization, just like France, Italy, England and Poland (especially in central and eastern Europe). But Germany didn't invented the western culture, but only inherited her - so her contribution was not as big as you think. The first rulers of the Polanie state were not of Scandinavian origin - the evidence is very simple: the ancestors of Mieszko I had Slavic (not Scandinavian) names. Read Gall Anonim's chronicles
A na jakiej podstawie kolego? Ja nie chce autonomii lubelszczyzny bo ja mieszkam w polskim regionie tak jak ty :) Nigdy jeszcze nie bylo tak zeby mniejszy mial szanse wieksza wobec wiekszych :)
Przy granicy z Szarlejem jest w polu KAPLICA MARIA HILF Z 1905 roku. Pisze fo fzoś ma miej : "Erbaut. Maria hilf. 1905"... CZY KTOŚ MA ZDJĘCIA może tej Kaplicy??
widze ze ktos bardzo ma strach o "Polski Slask" podkreslajac na kazdym kroku jego przynaleznosc ;) to znaczy ze jakbyscie milczeli to znaczy ze jest Niemiecki? xD heh, i dobrze, bo klamstwo ma krotkie nogi komuna was bronila ale komuna minela... a ty nie madrz sie i nie obrazaj innych narodowosci bo twoja z tych wszystkich co wymieniles jest najgorsza.
@IustitiaPax "Without the Holy Roman Empire" much nations which were destroyed by German imperialism (including Polabian Slavs and Old-Prussians) would still exist. Without Bolesław Chrobry (who defeated the Germans) we would now be a small ethnic group like Lusatian Sorbs in a country ruled by Germans, because Germany connected Christianization with political dominance.
Śląskie słowiańskich dialektów dialektów wschodnich Górnego Śląska. Te wydają się być językiem polskim, a częściowo są one podobne do języka czeskiego (zwłaszcza w dziedzinie Ratibor). Ale większość Ślązaków zawsze mówił niemiecki Gwara. I nie ma nic wspólnego z polityką język nazistowski rząd, aby! Potępiam polskiego anty-niemieckich i polskich zaprzeczeniem kłamstwa na temat historii.
@TheWieczory Another falsification. In reality many cities of Poland indeed were East Germanic, like Kalisz (Calisia) and other cities. All Polanie towns were founded with aid from the Holy Roman Empire - i.e. from Germans. The Polish dukes were confirmed in 1000 AD by Emperor Otto III, a German, in the act of Gniezno (crowning and recognition). Thousand years of German civilization far outweigh any 700-950 AD West Slavic settlements, on East Germanic basis (see Spree, name).
Super filmik ! Zapraszam również do obejrzenia zdjęć przedwojennych Tychów : th-cam.com/video/TumyVZYclqg/w-d-xo.html oraz do subskrybcji mojego kanału :)
@IustitiaPax imagine you are living in the yare 2500 - and are looking backwards: 1918 - end of worldwar I - 1938 - start of worldwar II 20 years no "big" war (beside Poland attacks Ukraine) Wouldn you assume this is ONE war I+II? Who started Worldwar I ? This will come up in again 2014 and follow up. Can you as winner try to build up friendship forever in Europe on this base? Israel went back after 2000 years. What we need is justice to get eternal friendship in history in Europe.
@IustitiaPax Polabian Slavs and Baltic Old Prussians were invaded and politically dominated by Germans who used brutal force to achieve that. Much of them were slaughtered and the rest (due to political superiority and dominance) assimilated. That's why their culture doesn't exist until now. Slovenes never invaded Germany.
@IustitiaPax Your theories that Poland provoked the war against Germany are similar to the theories of a lawyer who defended his client (a degenerated psycho) who raped a woman - with the argumentation that she provoked him, simply because she was wearing a short skirt. It is the same irrational argumentation.
@Elberiver11 Chłopie odwal się od tego Bytomia minęło ponad 70 lat... Tak jak inteligenci z Polski chcą powrotu do Polski Lwowa... Najlepiej piepszyć te granice i napić się razem wódki :)
@IustitiaPax Germany was always a great danger for the east, you know about the partitions of Poland, "Drang nach Osten" etc. The real defender of the Western Civilization (and the bulwark of Western Christianity - Antemurale Christianitatis) was Poland - Res Publica Serenissima (and Croatia for a short amount of time). I recommend you a book: "Poland The Knight among The Nations" (you can find it on the net).
heh, oni juz zaplacili i to dwukrotnie, ale kiedys powiedza STOP i euro sie zatrzyma a wasze groszowki bede na szybko wydawane zeby panstwo z torbami nie poszlo, hmm predzej ten narod powyjezdza z macierzy do anglii i irlandii ;p a tutuaj zostana wasi bracia za wschodniej granicy. Wiecej kartofli i przy wjezdzie do PL napis postawic CYRK i kazdy bedzie wiedzial gdzie jest
Das. Ist. Das. Deutschland. Wie. Es. War. , alte. Deutsche. Lieder.
Nur derjenige wird Oberschlesien verstehen, der in Oberschlesien geboren wurde. Das war ein Land mit viel Liebe und Herz, wo die Leute freundschaftlich- und gutgesinnt waren.
Jede Ecke, die hier auf den Bilder gezeigt wurde, ist mir bekannt.
Ich bedanke mich recht herzlich für die Präsentation.
Bedanke dich bei Adolf, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es mal war und du kannst gleich vergessen, dass es wieder so wird, wie es mal war!
Damals eines der schönsten Städte. Heute glaubt man das gar nicht mehr, WIE schön sie war.
Mein Grossvater Paul Clemens ist als Ältester von 12 Kindern in Beuthen geboren...Eine Musikkapelle Urgrossvater war Kapellmeister ....Deshalb konnte Mama so wunderschön singen ....
Tęsknimy i pozdrawiamy z Tarnowitz O/S
Beuthen bekannte sich in der Volksabstimmung des Jahres 1921 mit großer Mehrheit zu Deutschland ! Dieses deutsche Erbe versuchte man den Oberschlesiern (und nicht nur ihnen) künstlich auszutreiben. Ich lege zur oft vergessenen Geschichte Oberschlesiens allen einmal das folgende, sehr sehenswerte Video hier auf TH-cam wärmstens ans Herz:
,,Oberschlesien - Unvergessene Heimat im Osten"
Considering there were 22,401 Poles and 41,071 Germans in Bytom it's not a large surprise nor is it an achievement, it simply followed suit other Upper Silesian cities and roughly half of each demographic group voted for their respected country. We should also consider the fact that Polish identity in Upper Silesia was not yet developed, similar to Ukrainians in Galicia or even "Tutejszy" in Polesie. German Silesians tended to identify more often as German due to the region being owned by Germany, while the Polish identity had last been spread there during the Ostsiedlung, and had just recently started to spread due to the introduction of various press, church and so on. Bytom was probably the most major centre of Polishness in Upper Silesia (and is often referred to as), hence the reason the Polish plebiscite committee was located in the city. Furthermore the localities around Bytom such as Szombierki (Schomberg), Miechowice (Miechowitz) and so on besides Bobrek (by roughly 300 more votes for Germany), which are nowadays part of the city of Bytom voted for Poland, so did most cities, towns and villages in the Bytom Rural District (Lankreis Beuthen) like Piekary Wielkie (Deutsche Piekar) or Szarlej.
@@dddhughaahhhd1908 It's BS. Remember the refereni that took place in other parts of East Germany, such as Southern East Prussia.
The demographics also don't add with the voting result and suggest that even Poles voted for Germany, since the support was way higher than the 41,000 Germans living in Beuthen at that time.
@@maxmustermann4149 That is because Bytom was one of the most highly contested cities during the plebiscite, meaning that both sides sent huge amounts of immigrants to the city to vote on their behalf. Sure it wasn't unusual for Poles to vote for Germany just as it wasn't unusual for Germans to vote for Poland. As for the Plebiscite in Warmia, Masuria and Powisle, the circumstances surrounding make it stand out and make it completely incomparable with Silesia: Nota bene the lack of any national identity in Masuria whilst in Silesia the Polish community had been fostering it's national identity for some time already. Of course I could list more details regarding the East Prussian Plebiscite but it simply isn't the subject. I'd also like to note the fact that it was Poland that advocated for the permission for immigrants to vote, however it was Germany who took advantage of this law; sending in tons of immigrants from within the Reich whilst Poland embroiled in the Polish-Bolshevik war could little do.
A poloki go rozp........ SZKODA?
Bytom był polskim miastem .Potem Kazimierz Wielki sprezentowal swojemu kuzynowi ,który był wtedy królem Czech , nasz bogaty w węgiel i inne zasoby mineralne Śląsk. Następnie przeszedł w ręce niemieckie i tak trwał do 1945, kiedy wrocil do Polski. My Polacy powinniśmy graniczyć z Francja ,wtedy nie doszło by do tej wielkiej tragedii w 1939 i w Europie nie.zginelo by 70 milionów ludzi.
Meine Mutter kommt aus Beuthen Jahrgang 1938 Sie waren eine angesehene Familie mit Reichtum ( die Stephanies )
Mein Geburtsort ,meine Heimat!
Behalte. Sie. In. Deinem. Herzen. ❤ deine. Heimat. ❤😢
Kiedyś piękne miasto , szkoda że obecnie w takim stanie :(
Bytom BYŁ zwany Małym Wiedniem
za Niemca był nazywany małym Wiedniem za Poloka ruina to miasto to żywy przykład gospodarki obu państw serce się kraje
MsBrandonblajck Uhr
To tak jak Bochum.
Wybrali węgiel i się skończyło.
Nima kasy.
Da lacht einem das Herz.Vielen Dank.
genau, Grosse Stadt mit Deutsche Volksgruppe ;)
Bytom - moje miasto. Piękne, niestety Polska traktowała Bytom jak swoją kolonię. Dobrze, że teraz Bytom się rewitalizuje
gryfno muzika;D
Lustitia Pax: deine Antworten an den bigotten Polen sind alle richtig und von großer Geschichtskenntnis getragen, weiter so und danke!
Your answers to the Polish nationalist are all right and based on a great knowledge of history, go on and thanks!
Łańcut liegt etwa 200 Kilometer östlich von Krakau, also 300 Kilometer von Katowice entfernt. Dein Wissen ist erbärmlich. Auf dem Weg hast du die Trennwände umgangen. Breslau oder Dansing sind Deutsche, das ist eine Tatsache, aber wir haben diese Entscheidungen nicht getroffen. Die Welt wurde durch Russland, Amerika und England geteilt.
Ich schlage vor, dass Sie Ihr Wissen vertiefen, bevor Sie erneut versuchen, die Geschichte zu verzerren
@@mateuszkaniowski170 Breslau u. Danzig waren fast
100% dt. Städte, Beuthen nach der Volksabstimmung 1922 nur zu etwa 75%. Die Polen
forderten v. ihrem verbündeten Stalin die Herausgabe
Ostdeutschlands und bekamen sie als angebliche
"ehemals westpolnische Gebiete" durch ihn, leider
auch durch Akzeptanz der 3 Westmächte. Aber der
polnische Wunsch war ausschlaggebend, Sie bedürfen sehr viel an historischer Nachhilfe, weil Sie
bewußt die Fakten fälschen.
Nie potrafię pojąć...jak można doprowadzić miasto do takiej ruiny. Zachwycam się starymi zdjęciami Bytomia. Polacy spieprzą wszystko. W 1936 pociąg trasę Beuthen-Berlin pokonywał w 4,5h a dziś w 8h! (Latający pieron)
@TheWieczory I take scientific history classes and research. First, the duchy of Bohemia (as well as the ethnic Czech margraviate of Moravia) was subject and inside the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation. Secondly, Reinbern, Otto III etc. were all Germans. And even the Polanie nobility (like that of Kievan Rus') was of Germanic ancient origin, possibly Scandinavian like the Slavicized Samborids. There was much assimilation.
Super Bilder ! Musik hintergrund ?
@IustitiaPax Mieszko was called "Dagome Iudex" only in a summary (from XI century) of the Church document (the original text is missing). "Dagome" could have been his second (Christian) name. He and his ancestors (Siemowit, Lestek and Siemomysł) had Slavic names - that's why they were (most probably) Slavs.
@RitterDesHimmels1 Haha. Berlin, unlike Köpenick, is not of Slavic origin at, as the West Slavic name was taken from the East Germanic Burgundian name. Likewise the Spree (Spreewald etc.) was from the West Slavic name, but this itself was from East Germanic origin. Likewise, Rujanes-Ranii (Rügen) from Rugii (Germanics). Slavs, Balts and Germanic tribes were all related Indo-European tribes. Most names are German though, most new town foundations.
@RitterDesHimmels1 The Markomanni in Bohemia had a modern kingdom at the time of the Romans already, although it was in demise at Great migrations Era. God bless you.
@Elberiver11 Beuthen is as German as Dresden is! Śląsk nie polski! Tak!
@ego682 co chcesz odzyskać ? Odzyskałeś Bytom w 45 i proszę miasto kompletnie zniszcznone w przeciągu 60 lat które było budowane i doprowadzone do pięknego stanu przez setki lat .Poza tym co ma Bytom obecnie wspólnego z Małopolską poza krótkim epizodem w średniowieczu ?
@RitterDesHimmels1 Poland-Lithuania as well as Hungary-Croatia and Serbia were indeed antemurale christianitatis. I agree. But Jan III Sobieski was never anti-German and expelling Germans. No, he knew about Gluchoniemcy.
Śląsk pozostaje Niemcami.
Niymcy dbali O Bytom a hadziaje wycyckali i żarznyli ta Krowa CO dowała mlyko?
Wenn mer suuntichs ei de Kerche giehn,
'swoar emmer asu, 'swoar emmer asu,
Bleib mer voar awing bem Kratschm stiehn,
'swoar emmer asu, asu,
Do loo ber moncha guda Truppa
Ei inse Kahle nunderluppa,
Denn mer sein joa gude Kenderla,
'swoar emmer asu, 'swoar emmer asu,
Denn mer sein joa gude Kenderla,
'swoar emmer asu, asu.
- This is the Silesian German language. 100 % of Silesians understand it. Even Slavic-speaking Upper Silesians. Beuthen was German dialect mostly.
@IustitiaPax na ja... selbstverständlich :)
Niemcy byli i sa nadal znaczaca czescia Naszego pieknego Slaska !!!
To ma byc Autonomia do wszystkich Slazakow.
I jak MY wszyscy TO kapnom - to bydzie dobrze :))
Pozdrawiom - Grüß
Andi
@RitterDesHimmels1 The Holy Roman Empire and the German nation gave Europe not only most Germanic dynasties and most technological inventions, but also a bulwark against the East. Of course I agree that Germans inherited modern Roman Law from the Western Roman Empire, of whom the Germanic Franks were heirs - both in East Francia and in France. Italians also contributed. Poles too. But Poland needed Germans first, not other way around. Haller de Hallerburg?
That's sad
@RitterDesHimmels1 It is the historical fact. It is not like your false rhetorical device. Germany was like the armed humiliated policeman surrounded by thieves with pistols and sticks, crying 'War!'. Germany merely struck out against the thief armed with a one bullet pistol and one club. The Polish regime wanted the war against Germany, for which many diplomatic solutions would have been possible. Historical truth does not lie. Chauvinists and communists do.
@IustitiaPax "Germanic dynasties" - yeah great contribution:)
@RitterDesHimmels1 They were rulers over a Slavic people, just Saint Vladimir of Kiev, but the nobility of Kievan Rus' were of Germanic (Viking Rus') origin. I am not making this up. The nobility of the South Slavs (Bulgaria etc.) were indeed of Slavic origin. Not so in Poland. The Polanie etc. were all tribally ruled areas, and not even in 983 AD a proper state like the Holy Roman Empire. Dago or Dagome is of Frankish origin. Nobility intermarried, as did others.
Fantástico
Lastimosamente por culpa de los polacos la ciudad es una ruina
@ego682 o ile będzie jezcze co ratować w Bytomiu bo jak narazie to cały się wali
genau :)
D.F.K. uber alles!
Yes, this is one big civil war of ethnic conflict, ideological conflicts, mixed together. Read Ernst Nolte. WW1 was started by English and French secret services who used Serbia as the ignition of their economic pseudo-crusade war against the German Empire. Russia fell into this, like Italy, and from 1917 USA. WW2 was the same, now with Poland in the role of being provoker and ignition instrument. I agree on friendship in Europe between peoples!
Beuthen - na zawsze. Bytom: Niemiecki miasto. Święte dziedzictwo! A świętej misji niemieckiego Śląska.
Bytom , polskie miasto!! NA ZAWSZE W POLSCE, coś się piszącymu przede mną granice się chyba pomyliły!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AndyBeuthen Śląsk dla Ślązaków! Rzeczywiście! (Nie zapomnij: Górnośląskiego Niemcy są Ślązaków! Przykład, biskup Biskup Walter Mixa z pięknych Königshütte/Królewska Huta!)
@TheWieczory Firstly, the 'small German solution' of the German Empire (2nd Empire) under Prussia was founded in 1870, but Germany as a country dates back from 966 AD. A unified state, older than the Polanie 983 AD tribal ducal state. 966 was the foundation of the German Empire (1st Empire) by German kings. Not that I do not respect Poland. Many Poles are in fact Germans, Łańcut = Landshut. Quite German, not? And Dresden is German, like Breslau - 2nd city of Germany.
Łańcut is about 200 kilometers east of Krakow, that is 300 from Katowice. Your knowledge is pathetic. On the way, you bypassed the partitions. Breslau or Dansing are German, it is a fact, but it was not us who made these decisions. The world was divided by Russia, America and England.
I propose to deepen your knowledge before trying to distort history again.
Łańcut liegt etwa 200 Kilometer östlich von Krakau, also 300 Kilometer von Katowice entfernt. Dein Wissen ist erbärmlich. Auf dem Weg hast du die Trennwände umgangen. Breslau oder Dansing sind Deutsche, das ist eine Tatsache, aber wir haben diese Entscheidungen nicht getroffen. Die Welt wurde durch Russland, Amerika und England geteilt.
Ich schlage vor, dass Sie Ihr Wissen vertiefen, bevor Sie erneut versuchen, die Geschichte zu verzerren
@Elberiver11 AMEN! :)
@IustitiaPax Without the Romans Germanic tribes would never have developed modern statehood.
@rodzyn666 to bol LATAJACY ŚLAZAK ;)
Kiedyś mądrzejszy ślązak od ciebie powiedział że na śląsku zachowała się staropolska wersja języka Polskiego. Więc lepiej zachowaj swoje durne wywody dla siebie.
W czasie II wojny światowej niemcy zabronili mieszkańcom śląska rozmów w dialekcie śląskim, gdyż był on bardziej Polski niż niemiecki. Poza tym nie słyszałem o ślązaku mieszkającym w niemczech, który by sie nie wstydził mówić o tym że jest ze śląska i mówił po śląsku w obecności niemców.
Jo pochodza z Miechowic do Bytomia jezdzioł zech najpierw z ojcym na pochody pierwszo majowe potym som na blaje jak sie nie chciało do szkoły a teraz widza jak Bytom umiero po mału szkoda że ino zostaną filmy i stare fotografie
😢 PRZYKRO PATRZEĆ ŻE TO JUŻ UMIERA
@RitterDesHimmels1 Mieszko I was called Mesico Dago. Like Dagobert. Frankish name, common also among Viking Raiders after 850 AD raids and Normannish settlement. Please note: I like Polish folk culture and I like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, I like European monarchies, especially non-chauvinist. I however consider Pan-Slavic and particularist Slavic (Polish, Czech) extreme nationalism as heresies.
Kiedyś naprawdę to było przepiękne miasto, to mały Wiedeń.
@Kevin303 Ich habe keine Ahnung
moje miasto
DFK ist Deutschen Minderheit im Schlesien - Deutschen Freundschaftskreis im Schlesien,
ich habe in Groß-Beuthen meine Ausbildung gemacht vor gefühlten 100 jahren ^^ es wird aber keine verbindung geben zu diesem beuthen hier, wie auch das brandenburgische Philadelphia ja keine Verbindung zu dem Philadelphia in Amerika hat
@Elberiver11 Genau! Sag das nur einem Polen. Das ist einfach nur der Neid. Ein Pole sagt dir: Es ist und war Polen und Schluss.
@IustitiaPax Approximately 90% of old German towns are of non-German origin. That's why they have mostly Slavic, Roman or Celtic names. Berlin is the best example.
All German cars are made with the aid of the Polish workers - similar logic as yours;)
@ego682 malopolsce? a moze orientujesz sie jak przechodza granice wojewodztw? ;)
@RitterDesHimmels1 The German people only settled the regions of Eastern Europe which were allied or connected to the Holy Roman Empire. Do you also want to expell Austrian Germans from Carinthia, from Klagenfurt and other areas temporarily held from the 6th century AD until the 10th century by Slavic tribal dukes? Germans were loved everywhere for their craftsmanschip, their advanced technology and work ethic. It was organical settlement, not 'colonization' like Polish occupation of Breslau!
@RitterDesHimmels1 The Polish Germanophobe paranoia against Germans, Germany, Austria etc. is silly. Germans contributed to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and Poles, Silesians and Germans in 1241 AD together fought the Battle of Wahlstatt near Liegnitz. Mieszko was an 'amicus imperatoris' (friend of Otto III). Wettins were Germans. The Partitions were not a nationalist, but an absolutist-imperial exercise. Stop your chauvinistic divisioning.
dokladnie, Bytom jak i inne miasta, miasteczka, wsie Pomorza, Prus czy Slaska bylo cudowne, lecz to nie jest problem dewastacji wczesniejszej, lecz i dzisiejszej, wiele budynkow w Bytomiu jest nie remontowana z wolnymi mieszkaniami, a tak mowia ze mieszkan w PL brakuje w Bytomiu centrum jest jakos wyludnione i do wyburzania kamienic zazwyczaj unikatow doprowadza ZBM (zarzad budynkow miejskich) przez zabijanie okien niszczenie schodow, i brak kontroli nad majatkiem,czyli typowa polityka:TO NIE JA
Niemiec dbol o swoje a lwowiok wykoncol to piękne miasto
@usafajs Ląsberg nad Wartą (niem. Landsberg an der Warthe) 1910: 100 % Niemcy. Opole 1910: 78 % Niemcy, 22 % Słowiańie Śląszkich. Poznań 1910: 43 % Niemcy. Poznań 1944: 22 % Niemcy baltickich, 78 % Polacy. Poznań niemiecki tylko? Krolewieć 1910: 100 % Niemcy.
@pikoable hmm wysoka interpretacja, a Lwow, Wilno jest czyje?
What is the name of song in 6:30 ? greetings from Poland :)
FYLUBO Finding the Money - Yann Tiersen
Greetings aus Aachen
Danke :)
+xxl What is the first song? The style of music and singing are very typical for Germany - sounds nice! And the dialect sounds like East German (Ostpreussische, Schlesischen or at least Sächsisch Dialekt), right? Is it still possible to hear such dialect in modern Germany?
@redwingstarone szanse mniejszy ma, bo decyduje o swoim podworku, gdzie wie jakie sa potrzeby, co trzeba zrobic i ma wieksze szanse na pozyskanie funduszy.
@Bayern4444 Das ist aber nicht Heino, den man hier hört!
@Skansener Lwów built by Poles? No. Lwów was built by both Poles, Ruthenians (Ukrainians), Jews, Romanians and Austrians alike. Including the Galician German minority even! Lwów in 1890 had only 47 % Polish population. This is not an absolute majority, although they formed the largest single ethnicity in the town of course. While you admit that Beuthen was built by Germans, many Polish chauvinists still claim Stettin, Beuthen etc. are 'our ancient Polish Slavic empire'. Primitive propaganda.
popatrz na to poprzez pryzmat historii. tu nie chodzi tylko o pieniadze !
genau lustiaPax uber alles!
BROWN SOW!!!!!!!!
@IustitiaPax The Germans played their role in spreading the western civilization, just like France, Italy, England and Poland (especially in central and eastern Europe). But Germany didn't invented the western culture, but only inherited her - so her contribution was not as big as you think. The first rulers of the Polanie state were not of Scandinavian origin - the evidence is very simple: the ancestors of Mieszko I had Slavic (not Scandinavian) names. Read Gall Anonim's chronicles
@IustitiaPax
Short, provocative texts under many films which hardly differ one is trolling.
A na jakiej podstawie kolego? Ja nie chce autonomii lubelszczyzny bo ja mieszkam w polskim regionie tak jak ty :) Nigdy jeszcze nie bylo tak zeby mniejszy mial szanse wieksza wobec wiekszych :)
Bytom jest Śląski!
I POLSKI, POLSKI, POLSKI!!!
@@jmj3147 śląski
@@jmj3147 🤣🤣🤣
Bytom do 1945 był zwany Małym WIEDNIEM
@IustitiaPax "Polish occupation of Breslau" - ha ha ha, do you think Wrocław is occupied? By who? Kresowiacy?
Fajne zdjenca zech wybrol! 5*
Przy granicy z Szarlejem jest w polu KAPLICA MARIA HILF Z 1905 roku. Pisze fo fzoś ma miej : "Erbaut. Maria hilf. 1905"...
CZY KTOŚ MA ZDJĘCIA może tej Kaplicy??
są na google maps@@jmj3147
genau ;) ale wiesz przykład idzie z góry niestety..
widze ze ktos bardzo ma strach o "Polski Slask" podkreslajac na kazdym kroku jego przynaleznosc ;) to znaczy ze jakbyscie milczeli to znaczy ze jest Niemiecki? xD heh, i dobrze, bo klamstwo ma krotkie nogi komuna was bronila ale komuna minela... a ty nie madrz sie i nie obrazaj innych narodowosci bo twoja z tych wszystkich co wymieniles jest najgorsza.
@IustitiaPax ja... Slask dla Slazakow - Warszawa niech sie juz do spokuj.....
übrigens das erste mal riichtig "deutsch" war schlesien um ca 1750, beim vertrag des detschen bundes, der von den franzosen aufgezwungen worden war.
W EU kazdy ma rowne szanse, wiekszy moze ma wiecej do powiedzenia ale ma rowniez wiecej problemow a maly mniej, a pieniadz na panstwa ten sam ;)
@AndyBeuthen " jak my wszyscy kapnymy"...
@IustitiaPax "Without the Holy Roman Empire" much nations which were destroyed by German imperialism (including Polabian Slavs and Old-Prussians) would still exist. Without Bolesław Chrobry (who defeated the Germans) we would now be a small ethnic group like Lusatian Sorbs in a country ruled by Germans, because Germany connected Christianization with political dominance.
i taki beuthen mi odpowiado
Śląskie słowiańskich dialektów dialektów wschodnich Górnego Śląska. Te wydają się być językiem polskim, a częściowo są one podobne do języka czeskiego (zwłaszcza w dziedzinie Ratibor). Ale większość Ślązaków zawsze mówił niemiecki Gwara. I nie ma nic wspólnego z polityką język nazistowski rząd, aby! Potępiam polskiego anty-niemieckich i polskich zaprzeczeniem kłamstwa na temat historii.
w Unii Europejskiej kto ma wiecej do powiedzenia? maly czy duzy?
@TheWieczory Another falsification. In reality many cities of Poland indeed were East Germanic, like Kalisz (Calisia) and other cities. All Polanie towns were founded with aid from the Holy Roman Empire - i.e. from Germans. The Polish dukes were confirmed in 1000 AD by Emperor Otto III, a German, in the act of Gniezno (crowning and recognition). Thousand years of German civilization far outweigh any 700-950 AD West Slavic settlements, on East Germanic basis (see Spree, name).
@thegameplayer93 ei bin sunntichs ei de kerche gang'n. hait.
Super filmik ! Zapraszam również do obejrzenia zdjęć przedwojennych Tychów : th-cam.com/video/TumyVZYclqg/w-d-xo.html oraz do subskrybcji mojego kanału :)
@IustitiaPax
imagine you are living in the yare 2500 - and are looking backwards:
1918 - end of worldwar I - 1938 - start of worldwar II
20 years no "big" war (beside Poland attacks Ukraine)
Wouldn you assume this is ONE war I+II? Who started Worldwar I ?
This will come up in again 2014 and follow up. Can you as winner try to build up friendship forever in Europe on this base? Israel went back after 2000 years. What we need is justice to get eternal friendship in history in Europe.
Mosz prawie!
@IustitiaPax Polabian Slavs and Baltic Old Prussians were invaded and politically dominated by Germans who used brutal force to achieve that. Much of them were slaughtered and the rest (due to political superiority and dominance) assimilated. That's why their culture doesn't exist until now. Slovenes never invaded Germany.
@IustitiaPax Your theories that Poland provoked the war against Germany are similar to the theories of a lawyer who defended his client (a degenerated psycho) who raped a woman - with the argumentation that she provoked him, simply because she was wearing a short skirt. It is the same irrational argumentation.
Polski, kołku :)
@Elberiver11 Chłopie odwal się od tego Bytomia minęło ponad 70 lat... Tak jak inteligenci z Polski chcą powrotu do Polski Lwowa... Najlepiej piepszyć te granice i napić się razem wódki :)
piszesz bardzo nieskładnie. nie wiem o co ci chodzi....
@ego682 widze myślenie stereotypami, widać wysoka inteligencja nie grzeszysz ;)
@IustitiaPax Germany was always a great danger for the east, you know about the partitions of Poland, "Drang nach Osten" etc. The real defender of the Western Civilization (and the bulwark of Western Christianity - Antemurale Christianitatis) was Poland - Res Publica Serenissima (and Croatia for a short amount of time). I recommend you a book: "Poland The Knight among The Nations" (you can find it on the net).
strasznie sie mylisz :)
Strach? :) ja się śmieje z waszej głupoty :)
racja UE nam stocznie zamyka taka firme...
heh, oni juz zaplacili i to dwukrotnie, ale kiedys powiedza STOP i euro sie zatrzyma a wasze groszowki bede na szybko wydawane zeby panstwo z torbami nie poszlo, hmm predzej ten narod powyjezdza z macierzy do anglii i irlandii ;p a tutuaj zostana wasi bracia za wschodniej granicy. Wiecej kartofli i przy wjezdzie do PL napis postawic CYRK i kazdy bedzie wiedzial gdzie jest
wasza glupota nie zginie poki wy zyjecie :)