So in a nutshell: Write down loads of notes on a subject, impliment studies in your Workflow and apply what you've learned in said studies on your way to the final product
I think that's at least a great place to start, if I had more time I would've liked to get into how I started recognizing patterns within my notes that then lead me to starting to understand actual fundamentals, but maybe that'll be in a future video!
Except everyone’s got different ceilings. You can improve how fast you run the 40. But there’s slim chance you’ll run a 4 flat. But buddy next to you might. Maybe you’re a better cook and that’s your art.
I am 28 And I just started out learning art without any experience before, hoping to be a creature illustrator. Your video is so inspiring and I bought your beginner guide, it's really helpful, thank you.
I notice the turning point was when you started to see things more analytically. Recognizing patterns, writing notes. But the thing I liked the most is your approach of studying before doing an image, writing down each elements and leave even a bit of time to get a better idea of each element your piece will have. That's SO powerful man, it makes each painting a learning experience instead of just feeling like a flawed printer, I had no idea why it didn't occur to me to do that. I'm probably just too focused on finishing a picture instead of getting anything from it. if I have to paint a cloud and didn't know well how I'd just try while painting the illustration that needed it, that adds a lot of pressure and stress for sure, especially on a deadline. Great video.
I’m both impressed by the rate which you improved and disappointed in my own lack of progress. Currently 22 out of college and working on indie games as a art generalist but I’m not nearly at the stage of development as you. It’s probably a combination of things, never belonging to an art community, no real art mentors to learn from, lack of dedication. etc. but learning from pros experience always helps me ground myself for what I need to learn next to improve. I really wanna be an illustrator some day, but not sure what’s the right path in the meantime while I’m slowly building up my skills. Thank you for taking the time to show your story.
I too am disappointed in my own lack of progress haha, I think it's just natural. All you can do is just keep your head down and keep working on what you want to work on. If it helps, I'm jealous that you get to work on indie games :)
@@ForrestImel it’s not paid work mind you, I’m still a junior artist, we’re about to launch a 4 month project so I’m kinda excited but also worried on its reception. But thank you for the reply and encouragement.
@@inconspicuousboar3177 it'll go good for you man have faith and keep doing it. I'm self learned myself with no mentors and the like like mentioned and I've been this for 4 years now and it's finally time for me to apply for an art school. But anywhere I look on the internet regarding the portfolio, other people are just wayyy better how can you be that good?? What's even the point for you to study when you already know basically everything you need. The portfolio blueprint / requirements itself is quite daunting for me, don't know how I'll pull it off, but I'll try my best. Let's just hope the future is bright. Good luck!
thank you for your transparency on your living/financial situation and how often you were practicing. i dont think people realize how much time it takes to get to a level that is industry-ready. im unfortunately putting my dreams aside to pursue a degree that can hopefully land me a steady office job. im trying my best to make the time to practice, but i cant help but feel envious of people who can spend most of their time perfecting their craft.
I had an office job. It's fine for so many years, but that itch will never go away. You can make time. Before I was a mod at conceptart, I did a 37.5 hour job, but drew 40 hours a week. Being a mod sucked me dry, so don't do that. Draw before work, lunch time, after work, all weekend etc - it mounts up.
As someone who had to withdraw from art school and developed crazy complexes for myself thinking I'll never break into the gamedev industry as a concept artist, it truly fills me with hope and enthusiasm to see someone who I consider to be one of my art heroes make it without an art degree. Thank you for this video, Forrest!
I went to artschool for a 3-year-period, and I made it clear before I signed up that my goal was to create a teaser animation for my project. I'd already made an animatic, which I wanted to expand upon. In our final year, the headmaster told us that the senior class had so many troubles and delays with their individual projects that they had to sit with us for another 6 months, in order to finish them. And we would be assigned projects for our own final presentation, instead of having a choice of our own; we could choose from either making an add for a watch, a perfume or for jewelery... I had learned a lot, though the school was mostly teaching 3D, not 2D. However, the past 6 months of making a project on some jewelry I didn't give a beat about felt pointless. All I learned was that I really didn't want to work in advertisement. In the end, the whole experience made me drop my own project for 10 years, and I went into an office job. Only last year I rediscovered my desire to draw and started turning the original script into a webtoon, which I am working on almost every day now. Lot of improvement is needed, but practice is the way! Sometimes it takes a while to recover from a letdown or personal crisis. But from my experience it is much better to draw than to have a grudge against yourself for not drawing or painting. Being creative is such a good moderator in a life that always tempts us just to be lazy and to consume. As long as I am seeing some progress, I am quite happy now and feel like I'm (finally) doing the right thing.
That whole Highschool to starting freelance section really mirrored my own experience, especially that first starting to make money from your art really resonated with me. But I’d even made the same early mistakes in how I studied anatomy! Such a great and relatable video!
I'd be repeating what a lot of others have said already but thanks for this video. The details of your situation and how you applied intention to learning instead of guessing has been a fiery kick to the ass as it's something I've been needing to hear. I hope you make more videos they are gorgeous.
This video was a great watch! I’m slowly starting to learn how I need to pivot my study approach for full efficiency and actual learning. I’m currently attending an art school, but it’s extremely expensive. It’s refreshing to hear that you can be self taught and become successful without the huge price tag. Thank you :)! Watching you improve was amazing!
I really appreciate this video and it gives me a better insight on how to study but im still anxious about finding and landing opportunities.Even though im 15 i still cant see a sure fire way to land a job since i have no real desire to go to art school after im out of school.
25:00 This breaks me. I am mostly learning by my own daily with participating in classes of mentorigns whenever possible. It has been 6 years by now. I suck at using my studies and references as effectively. I will never be able to do art as a profession, I am just too stupid. Your progress depiction made me realize that not everybody is made for this. Awesome proggress in general, I am glad for you!
Dang I hope that's not what you take from my video haha. I'm a firm believer that anybody can do this stuff with enough time and practice. I think what's important is just really breaking things down to their fundamentals. Even back during that time I made that image I was still guessing a lot. I think starting really small, just working in black and white and focusing on painting basic objects to understand light, then working up from there is a good way to start gaining confidence. If you ever need any help you can always email me at forrestimelartwork@gmail.com and I'd be happy to help.
Thank you so much for sharing I am on my way to get an internship in the industry and was having some insecurities about my progress! It helps a lot to see the improvement you had and that you didn’t simply spawn as a art god.
Thanks for the insight. It's very helpfull seein other artists career! I started drawing at 2016 and got my first commissions at 2018, till now I is'nt got a full-time job but I'm feeling things will go right this year. Thanks for this video
This is amazing, my friend. Not going to lie, the speed of your progress punched me in the gut pretty hard, but it's slowly turning into some genuine motivation. Thanks for sharing your story and can't wait to see more of your journey!
Just remember that a big part of my development actually starting to ramp up was due to me really starting to take a deep dive into my studying habits and practices, prior to that it was about 5-6 years of just noodling around and not knowing what to do :)
@@ForrestImel Yeah you're right I'm studying but it became more an habit than really a "deep dive" i should focus more on stuff that i enjoy ( to be honest i dont really suck but you know i could've been way better).( idont know if i was clear).
this is so inspirational, I've never really wanted to like be a full-time artist or anything like that because I think my adhd would literally kill me, but I do want to improve my art so thanks for this I'm so glad you get paid for what you love being an artist is amazing sometimes :)
Just wanted to say this is super inspirational. Im still early in my journey and seeing this kind of progress reminds me that we all start somewhere. Im going to keep chasing my dream, being patient and most importantly have fun and focus on the journey. I appreciate you showing your journey, its super cool to see as someone who also wants to get into stuff like this❤❤
Thank you for this video. The points you made, especially regarding trying things out but not really knowing what they mean is something I subconsciously knew I was doing but never really had it pointed out. Seems like a common occurrence for those starting to take art seriously. I hope to start taking lots of notes/ do studies after this video. Unfortunately I'm stuck in an office job with little time for practice. I'm hoping soon, with enough savings, that may grant me ability to go part-time to focus more on improving art. It really is a long journey for everyone.
This is so inspiring, your determination to succeed was showing every year. This gives a lot of hope to all the artists out there. Paint and draw, time will get you there. I bought your tutorials before about fundamentals and it really helps me a ton. Thank you!
Kinda tells me my mistake at this point as to why I was not improving or feel like not doing much, Would really say this helps, And gives a view point about the points I am missing and can put in there :D thanks
i had to drop out of college for game design with animation as a minor due to the onset of severe mental issues. i lost all confidence in myself and got bogged in debt due to losing scholarships. this is really inspiring to me. currently i work in an office which is paying well for someone with no degree, but i can't see myself staying for decades there. i'm hoping to make my own way with art, thank you for this candid video
Two Forrest Imel videos in the same month? Am I crazy or dreaming? Jokes aside, I'm still at the beginning of the video, but I want to leave a comment to help with engagement. But let me tell you something: I've had your drawings from 2010-2015 that you made available on gumroad for a few years now. And I always end up going back to them to be inspired by your progress, Forrest. I've also watched and rewatched your course on Udemy, your processes on Artstation, your videos here on the channel, on Twitch... anyway. I just didn't participate in your course at CGMA because I'm Brazilian and the dollar here costs 5 times more, lol, but know that you've already helped me - and still help - a lot in this often stressful process that is the artistic journey. ❤
Thank you. I love videos like these. It makes you feel full of hope. I wish more artist would share these kind of experiences as well because is very inspiring and it gives you a lot of feedback on how to study and learn the subject.
I love this, thank you so much for this Imel, this is so inspiring! know that you pass through a lot of troubles that this is something normal, just gave me the strength to keep going. once I achieve what I want to do I will comment here "I did it " can't wait to see more of your journey!
Thank you for the part where you mentioned the Michael Hampton book and how you used it to progress. I have the book and have been wondering how other professionals have used it😁 I think overall this may be the most helpful video on TH-cam for portraying what I’m up against if I want to take art seriously.
“Trying to recreate what I think I’ve seen” this is exactly my problem right now (for the last few years to) if I just try to use reference I’d be so much better, I’m always trying to draw my own thing cause I’m in constant drawing “original” stuff only for it to look horrible each time. I’m working on it now but it’s gonna take a bit to stay in my head. I have improved but very slowly.
Thank you so much! 🙏🙏 This really made me feel Inspired to continue and that I can still achieve my dream to be a game illustrator.😌🙏 This video made me realize that even people I looked up to as an artist really do struggle too on their path but eventually have a successful career. 🙌❤ love your videos man!
Hey love your last video, specailly because you talk about something normally do not hear about it. the insecurity when one started, the doubt about work with art directors and the feeling you didnt do great the first time, actually this happened me the last year and a bit everytime I work with a company.
es un gran video, gracias por compartir tu historia con nosotros es muy valioso que un gran artista comparta sus vivencias y conocimientos con los que aspiramos a vivir de esto, hay mucho trabajo y esfuerzo detrás de este estilo de vida.. muy admirable, éxito!!
Yay!!! Another artist who didn’t go to art school! I heard a lot of art school and it drains you and your creativity and some completely leave because of it. Which is sad to see…
One of the main problems for me is that i dont know if the preparation phase for a project counts as practice time it always makes me think that im not gonna improve that way, that i need to put more hours into a fundamentals to actually get good.
I think that gathering reference and inspiration is important, but it isn't as effective as a combination of that with focused deliberate studies. A great test you can do and something I used to do back in the day was I would do a 30 minute painting off of a theme/topic with no studying or reference, then I'd do 1-2 hours of studies focused around that image and then finally do another 30 minute painting afterwards and the results were night and day.
I still keep my old drawings and attempts to paint on canvas because I have created my own way of traditional painting that rivals both postmodernists and old school artists. It even surprised many, because I found a grassy valley that no one had ever walked before, something that no one had done before me. And I achieved this thanks to the fact that I used both known knowledge and forgotten techniques of drawing and painting, as well as another method that to this day is beyond the power of anyone but me.
This is a really interesting video, thanks for sharing. I’m 21 now. I’ve been taking my art ‘seriously’ for maybe 6 years at this point, but I’m realising now I’ve never studied as much as I should have, and when I have it’s been completely directionless. I just haven’t known where I’m going, I’ve never been able to build a strong following and at times it feels like I’ll never make money with art. That said this video is pretty motivating and really gives me hope for the future. Liped and subscribed.
Great video! its really interesting to hear your journey! And your advice on how to pracitce art is invaluable!! thank you once again for sharing. Ive been at it, drawing since 2021 and made significant progress because ive been practicing kinda like how you mention it in the video just intuitively, and lept infront of many of my peers in illustration and visual communication uni. Even those who has been drawing since they were children. My point being that practicing with intention is super important!! Though youve made me realize i copy a lot without actually deconstructing what i see all the time. ill be more concious of it now, thank you.
It was very interesting and inspiring to see your skills growing. Its very similar like my story honestly, but I am still waiting for the big clients! Maybe I shouldnt wait ... anyway I would love part 2 of this video and the story how you landed in today skills and clients. Love the video
I'm grateful to hear of your experiences, and your art is incredible, even alot of your early pieces from right after high school! Though as somebody trying to begin freelancing I worry I might have to face similar struggles. Also, I wholey believe that "Head of Illustration" was just another anti-digital art snob. It's a good thing you didn't get into that school and waste your time and money.
Hey Forrest, this video was wonderful, this is the first video I think I didn't skip...it was full of information and inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us.. :) I have also learned everything from TH-cam. I dont think going to school for learning Art is necessary at all.
Inspiring video, as always. I think in my case it is the opposite. I started drawing 4,5 years ago and i was only grinding the fundamentals. I am gradually getting into doing more creative stuff but i think even though i have strong fundamentals I actually struggle coming up with ideas, making things look "cool". Imagine you know the anatomy and how does it actually help you with... i don't know, drawing a fancy fire mage with burning pointy hair and huge teeth.
Look at things like floral curtains, textured tiles etc. I can see all sorts of beings there, but mostly when I'm relaxed. I see something different each time.
I just got this in my recommended, saw the Dockside Extortionist background, and had to look up the original artist. I didn’t know you’re the artist for the card, and others like Seedborn Muse and Hexdrinker! Beautiful work!
I think it would have been beneficial for you to enrol also in an academy course for anatomy at least because they have various models you can practice with drawing women and men and honestly it helps a lot.
What a cool trajectory you took. We’re probably similar in age, I graduated in 2012, also chose not to go to school, and now work full time in the AAA space as a key art artist and illustrator. It’s funny you mention PNCA because I reviewed a graduating class’s portfolios just a few weeks ago having never been to college myself. Are you in Portland by chance? I’ll buy you a drink.
When you showed the first image, the anatomy thing, and after the portret. You must have been drawing for years already (as it's just digital painting you're shawing)! You happen to have a video or guide on the time before? I wish I could draw like that even xD.
I was hoping to learn in a little more detail how you improved but I guess that could be a longgg topic if you went into it too much; you seem like a nice guy and what a beautiful thing to fulfil your dreams
I think I will do another video in the future where I talk about the specific lessons and milestone improvements in more detail instead of just discussing the general journey.
Damn thank you, I was interesting until the end, all thanks, would be nice to know how did you bargain on your contracts... and that negotiation part which is also something you are not taught!
Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say, ”I sent out a looking for work message online” - I’ve been struggling way too long and have never cracked getting regular work.
@forrest imel I went and got that book by Michael Hampton, there are many anatomy books, but his really does help me with understanding the language of art better. It's changed how I view and understand the human figure better. I can see now, how convoluted my approach has been and highlights all of the rookie mistakes i still make. Game changer. Thanks for sharing!!
Hey, love your art, was wondering if what you do now mainly consists of splash art only? or do you still do concepts, or even started doing other newer things?
Currently I work fulltime with Blizzard on the World of Warcraft visual development team so I'm pretty much primarily concept art now. I will do an occasional hearthstone or magic card, but no splash art anymore unfortunately.
I really wish i didn't feel like I was shut down from art. I graduated highschool last year, and i just... i just feel like i'm so behind. Like I know i could be better than what I am. But my parents always harped that art wasn't a real job, that the only famous artists were dead artists, and stuff like that. And it just. drained me.
Do you enjoy drawing? Then just do it. Time you spend with stuff you don't enjoy is wasted time. Your lifespan is finite and the less you fill it with your passions the less valuable your life becomes. So stop telling yourself that you're behind and art is wasted time. Just enjoy your life. And maybe you can make a career out of it.
@@havocindustries3078 yea. that's mostly how i'm living right now. I still draw, and i make some money here and there from it. This is mostly a feeling that i've learned to live with.
Awesome progress, you really improved, and the time line dealing with life in general was really inspiring. So how do you deal now in the present time with Ai and companies shifting to Ai even though is a horrific approach, just curious?
I'll admit it's been pretty scary, I haven't had it directly affect my current work, but I've heard a fair amount of stories from other artists. I do have a video on my channel where I go into more of my own thoughts on it though if you're interested.
Thanks for sharing your experience! How do you feel about learning at least a little traditional ways of drawing/painting? (important, useful or optional) Do you think drawing and painting live figures, plein air, etc. is important for a digital artist? (useful, optional)) * may be opinion on 3D? (important, useful or optional)
I think learning traditional techniques is fine, it's up to you and what sounds fun or enjoyable to you. There is a lot you can learn from learning traditional techniques so it's only beneficial, but it's not necessary for every artist or anything. Yes, drawing live figures and plein air, any drawing from life really is a great exercise. 3D is totally optional in my opinion, but like with most things, definitely beneficial if you learn a new skill :)
This is such an amazing video, I'm just starting out and your studying tips are really helpful, I watched your studying video and I was wondering if its still ''up to date'' or if there's stuff you would add or change from it that you learned over the years?
I think back then I was still kind of writing just a lot of random observational things, but not really focusing on fundamental aspects. Like now I really focus on very specific parts of things I study, it's almost always either studying value, color, light, shape, or form, but of a specific object or thing. I think when your brain gets accustomed to breaking things down into simpler terms and rules it becomes a lot easier to see what your mistakes are and correct them.
hello I would like to know on which site you sent the messages to look for a job, I am an illustrator I would also like to have a job I have my artstation and deviantart but I have no visibility and today I do not know how I can do to be visible.. do you have any advice on this?
My job postings were just on all sorts of different forums, many probably aren't even a thing anymore. Like conceptart.org, polycount, imaginefx, etc. My big "looking for work" post that got me work with pathfinder was just done on instagram, twitter, and facebook.
This may be a pessimistic question, but is there a point in continuing to try to become a professional in this industry now that ai is coming and will soon cause a number of layoffs? I'm from another country with no gaming/animation industry and at this point I just don't see a future for myself, what way even is there for me to go abroad for work if it's more competitive than ever? I'm not the best and I don't have the opportunity for school. I'm studying engineering as a plan b and I'm trying to accept that this is probably my future but it sucks. I really thought giving up would feel worse.
@@solarydays @hazelyhaste I appreciate the realistic answer a lot more than the usual "you can do it there's no excuses". I'm aware about the market being oversaturated now, and with the ai on top I've basically given up on making art full time. Luckily I was warned about this during high school so now I'm heading towards a good degree while also working part time with a start up company from America making concepts and illustrating books in my country. Honestly giving up my childhood dreams hurts way less in itself, that's just life. What hurts is the hypocrisy of others that said it was possible while not fully disclosing their privileged positions. It feels like I've been lied to. And I'm still in the "angry about the inherent unfairness of life" phase so that doesn't help either😂
@@solarydays That's true, all this just makes me feel thankful for the family and art teachers who didn't put me down for hoping but also prepared me for reality. Thanks for talking with me, I appreciate it!
Yes because AI isn’t actually good art. You would know that if you knew about drawing. Faces out of perspective, trash proportions and then the main topic. AI uses other peoples art works and mish mashes it to create a new image. It….itself isn’t making anything. What does this mean? You’ll use AI and end up with Kim GungJis line work, Dave Rapozas coloring, etc etc etc. AI is nothing but a tool of reference.
Wow, Thanks for insight, it was really insightful, Mr. Imel but I have some questions . Do you mind sharing which platform or by what method do you use to reach out to get clients??? what social media did you put your works out to get recognize????? ps. one more. How do you know a job is legit from the company and not some Job scams???
There used to just be a ton of online forums, like I think I had "artist for hire" posts on like 8 different forums, it was nuts. I'm not sure if any of those are really that active anymore, I think most people end up finding artists through major social media sites nowadays if I were to guess but I'm really not sure.
As for knowing if jobs are legitimate or not, that's tough sometimes. I've been scammed a couple times, eventually you kinda get a good sense for when things feel off. But I think making sure to not commit to any work until contracts are signed and finalized helps. And if contracts aren't involved, asking for 50% up front and 50% upon completion is pretty standard. That way if things go badly you still made some money.
Didn't watch the video, this got recommended to me by the algorithm. But the black and white 2010 sketch you used in the thumbnail, is way more interesting and cool than the generic 2016 triple A whatever gaming studio design you claim to be "better". Food for thought.
How did you go about finding clients in the beginning of your freelance and do you think things are different now? I assume that my work is decent enough of quality (and people tell me as such), and have worked as freelancer for a while now. But, at the start clients contacted me and work was plentiful, I think I got the wrong idea that the ball was comfortably rolling. That eventually dried up and currently I am struggling to find new clients, especially for the last half year or so. I feel I need to restart everything and go again from ground up. Sure the whole industry seems to be on a down turn but I also feel I must be doing something wrong with the way I try to email clients and such. Any tips on how to go about it?
So in a nutshell: Write down loads of notes on a subject, impliment studies in your Workflow and apply what you've learned in said studies on your way to the final product
I think that's at least a great place to start, if I had more time I would've liked to get into how I started recognizing patterns within my notes that then lead me to starting to understand actual fundamentals, but maybe that'll be in a future video!
A video like that would be great @@ForrestImel
@@ForrestImelI’d love to see a video on that if you decide to make it
@@ForrestImel Please do
Except everyone’s got different ceilings. You can improve how fast you run the 40. But there’s slim chance you’ll run a 4 flat. But buddy next to you might. Maybe you’re a better cook and that’s your art.
I am 28 And I just started out learning art without any experience before, hoping to be a creature illustrator. Your video is so inspiring and I bought your beginner guide, it's really helpful, thank you.
same here XD
I’m 27 and have been just drawing for fun but finally decided to start learning seriously so I wish us both luck!
Wow stumbled on this video doing the same thing, also 28 aswell not that good yet but putting the work in
Ayyy
Hows it going?
I notice the turning point was when you started to see things more analytically. Recognizing patterns, writing notes.
But the thing I liked the most is your approach of studying before doing an image, writing down each elements and leave even a bit of time to get a better idea of each element your piece will have. That's SO powerful man, it makes each painting a learning experience instead of just feeling like a flawed printer, I had no idea why it didn't occur to me to do that. I'm probably just too focused on finishing a picture instead of getting anything from it. if I have to paint a cloud and didn't know well how I'd just try while painting the illustration that needed it, that adds a lot of pressure and stress for sure, especially on a deadline.
Great video.
I’m both impressed by the rate which you improved and disappointed in my own lack of progress. Currently 22 out of college and working on indie games as a art generalist but I’m not nearly at the stage of development as you. It’s probably a combination of things, never belonging to an art community, no real art mentors to learn from, lack of dedication. etc. but learning from pros experience always helps me ground myself for what I need to learn next to improve. I really wanna be an illustrator some day, but not sure what’s the right path in the meantime while I’m slowly building up my skills. Thank you for taking the time to show your story.
I too am disappointed in my own lack of progress haha, I think it's just natural. All you can do is just keep your head down and keep working on what you want to work on. If it helps, I'm jealous that you get to work on indie games :)
@@ForrestImel it’s not paid work mind you, I’m still a junior artist, we’re about to launch a 4 month project so I’m kinda excited but also worried on its reception. But thank you for the reply and encouragement.
@@inconspicuousboar3177you got this! wishing you luck from a stranger on the internet.
@@inconspicuousboar3177 it'll go good for you man have faith and keep doing it. I'm self learned myself with no mentors and the like like mentioned and I've been this for 4 years now and it's finally time for me to apply for an art school. But anywhere I look on the internet regarding the portfolio, other people are just wayyy better how can you be that good?? What's even the point for you to study when you already know basically everything you need. The portfolio blueprint / requirements itself is quite daunting for me, don't know how I'll pull it off, but I'll try my best. Let's just hope the future is bright. Good luck!
@@inconspicuousboar3177are you paid yet? Lol
thank you for your transparency on your living/financial situation and how often you were practicing. i dont think people realize how much time it takes to get to a level that is industry-ready. im unfortunately putting my dreams aside to pursue a degree that can hopefully land me a steady office job. im trying my best to make the time to practice, but i cant help but feel envious of people who can spend most of their time perfecting their craft.
I had an office job. It's fine for so many years, but that itch will never go away. You can make time. Before I was a mod at conceptart, I did a 37.5 hour job, but drew 40 hours a week. Being a mod sucked me dry, so don't do that. Draw before work, lunch time, after work, all weekend etc - it mounts up.
Remember also that practicing without purpose won’t actually help you.
He admitted most of his practice was a waste of time.
As someone who had to withdraw from art school and developed crazy complexes for myself thinking I'll never break into the gamedev industry as a concept artist, it truly fills me with hope and enthusiasm to see someone who I consider to be one of my art heroes make it without an art degree. Thank you for this video, Forrest!
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but you can definitely do it, I believe in you!
I went to artschool for a 3-year-period, and I made it clear before I signed up that my goal was to create a teaser animation for my project. I'd already made an animatic, which I wanted to expand upon. In our final year, the headmaster told us that the senior class had so many troubles and delays with their individual projects that they had to sit with us for another 6 months, in order to finish them. And we would be assigned projects for our own final presentation, instead of having a choice of our own; we could choose from either making an add for a watch, a perfume or for jewelery...
I had learned a lot, though the school was mostly teaching 3D, not 2D. However, the past 6 months of making a project on some jewelry I didn't give a beat about felt pointless. All I learned was that I really didn't want to work in advertisement. In the end, the whole experience made me drop my own project for 10 years, and I went into an office job. Only last year I rediscovered my desire to draw and started turning the original script into a webtoon, which I am working on almost every day now. Lot of improvement is needed, but practice is the way!
Sometimes it takes a while to recover from a letdown or personal crisis. But from my experience it is much better to draw than to have a grudge against yourself for not drawing or painting. Being creative is such a good moderator in a life that always tempts us just to be lazy and to consume. As long as I am seeing some progress, I am quite happy now and feel like I'm (finally) doing the right thing.
@@TheLobstersoupYou go you. It's never to late to dream and make it come true.
a ton of people working in the game art industry dont have a degree. idk how this is news to you
That whole Highschool to starting freelance section really mirrored my own experience, especially that first starting to make money from your art really resonated with me. But I’d even made the same early mistakes in how I studied anatomy! Such a great and relatable video!
I'd be repeating what a lot of others have said already but thanks for this video. The details of your situation and how you applied intention to learning instead of guessing has been a fiery kick to the ass as it's something I've been needing to hear.
I hope you make more videos they are gorgeous.
Dude, it’s very insightful seeing another’s journey, including their struggles. I’d love to see a part 2.
Great video, so relatable! Would love to hear part 2 - what happened after Smite and also how to juggle full time art job and working on portfolio.
This video was a great watch! I’m slowly starting to learn how I need to pivot my study approach for full efficiency and actual learning. I’m currently attending an art school, but it’s extremely expensive. It’s refreshing to hear that you can be self taught and become successful without the huge price tag. Thank you :)! Watching you improve was amazing!
I really appreciate this video and it gives me a better insight on how to study but im still anxious about finding and landing opportunities.Even though im 15 i still cant see a sure fire way to land a job since i have no real desire to go to art school after im out of school.
25:00 This breaks me. I am mostly learning by my own daily with participating in classes of mentorigns whenever possible. It has been 6 years by now. I suck at using my studies and references as effectively. I will never be able to do art as a profession, I am just too stupid. Your progress depiction made me realize that not everybody is made for this. Awesome proggress in general, I am glad for you!
Dang I hope that's not what you take from my video haha. I'm a firm believer that anybody can do this stuff with enough time and practice. I think what's important is just really breaking things down to their fundamentals. Even back during that time I made that image I was still guessing a lot. I think starting really small, just working in black and white and focusing on painting basic objects to understand light, then working up from there is a good way to start gaining confidence. If you ever need any help you can always email me at forrestimelartwork@gmail.com and I'd be happy to help.
Pfft! 6 years is nothing. Keep arting, the penny in areas will suddenly drop and then you'll fly.
Thank you so much for sharing I am on my way to get an internship in the industry and was having some insecurities about my progress! It helps a lot to see the improvement you had and that you didn’t simply spawn as a art god.
Thanks for the insight. It's very helpfull seein other artists career!
I started drawing at 2016 and got my first commissions at 2018, till now I is'nt got a full-time job but I'm feeling things will go right this year.
Thanks for this video
even from the gate, the rendering quality is super nice. Such an inspirational artist!
This is amazing, my friend. Not going to lie, the speed of your progress punched me in the gut pretty hard, but it's slowly turning into some genuine motivation. Thanks for sharing your story and can't wait to see more of your journey!
5 years in trying to learn and damn I still suck it's crazy to see people progress like you :D.
Just remember that a big part of my development actually starting to ramp up was due to me really starting to take a deep dive into my studying habits and practices, prior to that it was about 5-6 years of just noodling around and not knowing what to do :)
@@ForrestImel Yeah you're right I'm studying but it became more an habit than really a "deep dive" i should focus more on stuff that i enjoy ( to be honest i dont really suck but you know i could've been way better).( idont know if i was clear).
this is so inspirational, I've never really wanted to like be a full-time artist or anything like that because I think my adhd would literally kill me, but I do want to improve my art so thanks for this I'm so glad you get paid for what you love being an artist is amazing sometimes :)
As someone who started drawing mid 2023, this is quite inspiring
Just wanted to say this is super inspirational. Im still early in my journey and seeing this kind of progress reminds me that we all start somewhere. Im going to keep chasing my dream, being patient and most importantly have fun and focus on the journey. I appreciate you showing your journey, its super cool to see as someone who also wants to get into stuff like this❤❤
Thank you for this video. The points you made, especially regarding trying things out but not really knowing what they mean is something I subconsciously knew I was doing but never really had it pointed out. Seems like a common occurrence for those starting to take art seriously. I hope to start taking lots of notes/ do studies after this video. Unfortunately I'm stuck in an office job with little time for practice. I'm hoping soon, with enough savings, that may grant me ability to go part-time to focus more on improving art. It really is a long journey for everyone.
This is so inspiring, your determination to succeed was showing every year. This gives a lot of hope to all the artists out there. Paint and draw, time will get you there.
I bought your tutorials before about fundamentals and it really helps me a ton. Thank you!
Ah man.. creature of the week on conceptart... those were the days haha.. great vid Forrest!
Kinda tells me my mistake at this point as to why I was not improving or feel like not doing much,
Would really say this helps, And gives a view point about the points I am missing and can put in there :D thanks
I'm so glad to have found your videos right when I need them.
Thank you, Forrest. This is inspiring to me as someone who also wants to make game illustrations and work as an illustrator in the game industry.
i had to drop out of college for game design with animation as a minor due to the onset of severe mental issues. i lost all confidence in myself and got bogged in debt due to losing scholarships. this is really inspiring to me. currently i work in an office which is paying well for someone with no degree, but i can't see myself staying for decades there. i'm hoping to make my own way with art, thank you for this candid video
Man such a long , hard working & interesting art journey. Really enjoyed this. Truly thank you for sharing in detail your experience!
Two Forrest Imel videos in the same month? Am I crazy or dreaming?
Jokes aside, I'm still at the beginning of the video, but I want to leave a comment to help with engagement.
But let me tell you something: I've had your drawings from 2010-2015 that you made available on gumroad for a few years now. And I always end up going back to them to be inspired by your progress, Forrest. I've also watched and rewatched your course on Udemy, your processes on Artstation, your videos here on the channel, on Twitch... anyway. I just didn't participate in your course at CGMA because I'm Brazilian and the dollar here costs 5 times more, lol, but know that you've already helped me - and still help - a lot in this often stressful process that is the artistic journey. ❤
Thank you for the kind words, that really means a lot
Thank you. I love videos like these. It makes you feel full of hope. I wish more artist would share these kind of experiences as well because is very inspiring and it gives you a lot of feedback on how to study and learn the subject.
Envious on how skilled you got. I feel so embarrassed that life time doesnt even come close of a fraction of what you acquired.
Gj
Been following since 2016- so excited to hear you tell your story
I love this, thank you so much for this Imel, this is so inspiring! know that you pass through a lot of troubles that this is something normal, just gave me the strength to keep going.
once I achieve what I want to do I will comment here "I did it "
can't wait to see more of your journey!
Thank you for the part where you mentioned the Michael Hampton book and how you used it to progress. I have the book and have been wondering how other professionals have used it😁 I think overall this may be the most helpful video on TH-cam for portraying what I’m up against if I want to take art seriously.
“Trying to recreate what I think I’ve seen” this is exactly my problem right now (for the last few years to) if I just try to use reference I’d be so much better, I’m always trying to draw my own thing cause I’m in constant drawing “original” stuff only for it to look horrible each time. I’m working on it now but it’s gonna take a bit to stay in my head. I have improved but very slowly.
Checked out your Artstation and I was inspired to keep going bro thank you!!!
Thank you so much! 🙏🙏 This really made me feel Inspired to continue and that I can still achieve my dream to be a game illustrator.😌🙏
This video made me realize that even people I looked up to as an artist really do struggle too on their path but eventually have a successful career. 🙌❤ love your videos man!
Hey love your last video, specailly because you talk about something normally do not hear about it. the insecurity when one started, the doubt about work with art directors and the feeling you didnt do great the first time, actually this happened me the last year and a bit everytime I work with a company.
es un gran video, gracias por compartir tu historia con nosotros es muy valioso que un gran artista comparta sus vivencias y conocimientos con los que aspiramos a vivir de esto, hay mucho trabajo y esfuerzo detrás de este estilo de vida.. muy admirable, éxito!!
This is really inspiring to watch. Thank you for talking through your art journey, it's very insightful as someone who wants a career in illustration.
This was beyond helpful. Thank you so much.
Yay!!! Another artist who didn’t go to art school! I heard a lot of art school and it drains you and your creativity and some completely leave because of it. Which is sad to see…
One of the main problems for me is that i dont know if the preparation phase for a project counts as practice time it always makes me think that im not gonna improve that way, that i need to put more hours into a fundamentals to actually get good.
I think that gathering reference and inspiration is important, but it isn't as effective as a combination of that with focused deliberate studies. A great test you can do and something I used to do back in the day was I would do a 30 minute painting off of a theme/topic with no studying or reference, then I'd do 1-2 hours of studies focused around that image and then finally do another 30 minute painting afterwards and the results were night and day.
I still keep my old drawings and attempts to paint on canvas because I have created my own way of traditional painting that rivals both postmodernists and old school artists. It even surprised many, because I found a grassy valley that no one had ever walked before, something that no one had done before me. And I achieved this thanks to the fact that I used both known knowledge and forgotten techniques of drawing and painting, as well as another method that to this day is beyond the power of anyone but me.
I really enjoyed hearing your art journey :D
Thank you so much for this, you are in a position that I would like to be in one day so your videos are very valuable to me :)
In 2012 a head of illustration didn’t know what digital art was?? That’s wild to me considering how many career paths are so reliant on it
This is a really interesting video, thanks for sharing. I’m 21 now. I’ve been taking my art ‘seriously’ for maybe 6 years at this point, but I’m realising now I’ve never studied as much as I should have, and when I have it’s been completely directionless. I just haven’t known where I’m going, I’ve never been able to build a strong following and at times it feels like I’ll never make money with art. That said this video is pretty motivating and really gives me hope for the future. Liped and subscribed.
Great video! its really interesting to hear your journey! And your advice on how to pracitce art is invaluable!! thank you once again for sharing. Ive been at it, drawing since 2021 and made significant progress because ive been practicing kinda like how you mention it in the video just intuitively, and lept infront of many of my peers in illustration and visual communication uni. Even those who has been drawing since they were children. My point being that practicing with intention is super important!! Though youve made me realize i copy a lot without actually deconstructing what i see all the time. ill be more concious of it now, thank you.
It was very interesting and inspiring to see your skills growing. Its very similar like my story honestly, but I am still waiting for the big clients! Maybe I shouldnt wait ... anyway I would love part 2 of this video and the story how you landed in today skills and clients. Love the video
Such an inspiring video :D Thanks for doing this!
Super informative and inspiring! Thank you for posting this! Hope to see more! 🤘✨️
I'm grateful to hear of your experiences, and your art is incredible, even alot of your early pieces from right after high school! Though as somebody trying to begin freelancing I worry I might have to face similar struggles.
Also, I wholey believe that "Head of Illustration" was just another anti-digital art snob. It's a good thing you didn't get into that school and waste your time and money.
Hey Forrest, this video was wonderful, this is the first video I think I didn't skip...it was full of information and inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us.. :) I have also learned everything from TH-cam. I dont think going to school for learning Art is necessary at all.
I’ve watched your journey from the first crimson daggers blood sports entry you did, I remember watching Dave or Dan critiquing your entry on stream
This is so inspiring. Thank you for making this video!
Really inspiring man! I hope this year really level up my art , theres lot of work to do 💪
Welcome back Forrest :3 Thanks for this!
Best video on learning ever
This was amazing! Thanks so much dude
Inspiring video, as always. I think in my case it is the opposite. I started drawing 4,5 years ago and i was only grinding the fundamentals. I am gradually getting into doing more creative stuff but i think even though i have strong fundamentals I actually struggle coming up with ideas, making things look "cool". Imagine you know the anatomy and how does it actually help you with... i don't know, drawing a fancy fire mage with burning pointy hair and huge teeth.
Look at things like floral curtains, textured tiles etc. I can see all sorts of beings there, but mostly when I'm relaxed. I see something different each time.
I just got this in my recommended, saw the Dockside Extortionist background, and had to look up the original artist. I didn’t know you’re the artist for the card, and others like Seedborn Muse and Hexdrinker! Beautiful work!
I think it would have been beneficial for you to enrol also in an academy course for anatomy at least because they have various models you can practice with drawing women and men and honestly it helps a lot.
I got folders starting from 2013 I almost get ptsd looking at them , tough times , I tried so hard for so long felt like I was going to go crazy lol
Great video! Thank you for going in depth on your journey, very insightful.
In my opinion art school was a waste of time because really all I need is your course and I get 3 full years of a professional tutor❤
What a cool trajectory you took.
We’re probably similar in age, I graduated in 2012, also chose not to go to school, and now work full time in the AAA space as a key art artist and illustrator. It’s funny you mention PNCA because I reviewed a graduating class’s portfolios just a few weeks ago having never been to college myself. Are you in Portland by chance? I’ll buy you a drink.
When you showed the first image, the anatomy thing, and after the portret. You must have been drawing for years already (as it's just digital painting you're shawing)! You happen to have a video or guide on the time before? I wish I could draw like that even xD.
I was hoping to learn in a little more detail how you improved but I guess that could be a longgg topic if you went into it too much; you seem like a nice guy and what a beautiful thing to fulfil your dreams
I think I will do another video in the future where I talk about the specific lessons and milestone improvements in more detail instead of just discussing the general journey.
it make me realise i'm staying way too much in my zone of confort in art o:
Damn thank you, I was interesting until the end, all thanks, would be nice to know how did you bargain on your contracts... and that negotiation part which is also something you are not taught!
Damn, s great story! I mean so much suffering =) especially when working on Pathfinder
45 days damn ))
This is great! Thank you!
Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say, ”I sent out a looking for work message online” - I’ve been struggling way too long and have never cracked getting regular work.
awesome.
@forrest imel I went and got that book by Michael Hampton, there are many anatomy books, but his really does help me with understanding the language of art better. It's changed how I view and understand the human figure better. I can see now, how convoluted my approach has been and highlights all of the rookie mistakes i still make. Game changer. Thanks for sharing!!
Amazing buddy
thankyou for this video
Hey, love your art, was wondering if what you do now mainly consists of splash art only? or do you still do concepts, or even started doing other newer things?
Currently I work fulltime with Blizzard on the World of Warcraft visual development team so I'm pretty much primarily concept art now. I will do an occasional hearthstone or magic card, but no splash art anymore unfortunately.
I love your videos
I really wish i didn't feel like I was shut down from art. I graduated highschool last year, and i just... i just feel like i'm so behind. Like I know i could be better than what I am. But my parents always harped that art wasn't a real job, that the only famous artists were dead artists, and stuff like that. And it just. drained me.
Do you enjoy drawing? Then just do it. Time you spend with stuff you don't enjoy is wasted time. Your lifespan is finite and the less you fill it with your passions the less valuable your life becomes. So stop telling yourself that you're behind and art is wasted time. Just enjoy your life. And maybe you can make a career out of it.
@@havocindustries3078 yea. that's mostly how i'm living right now. I still draw, and i make some money here and there from it. This is mostly a feeling that i've learned to live with.
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That..sounds like hell on Earth. I tried grinding art for a long time, but holy smokes. How do you even survive that physically.
It took awhile to adapt, but eventually things started to ease up and I was actually able to finally take one day off a week which was nice haha
@@ForrestImel 1 day off a week on a highly specialized trade that takes years and years to get good at...yay capitalism :D
I visit your blog to get motivation
Awesome progress, you really improved, and the time line dealing with life in general was really inspiring. So how do you deal now in the present time with Ai and companies shifting to Ai even though is a horrific approach, just curious?
I'll admit it's been pretty scary, I haven't had it directly affect my current work, but I've heard a fair amount of stories from other artists. I do have a video on my channel where I go into more of my own thoughts on it though if you're interested.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
How do you feel about learning at least a little traditional ways of drawing/painting? (important, useful or optional)
Do you think drawing and painting live figures, plein air, etc. is important for a digital artist? (useful, optional))
* may be opinion on 3D? (important, useful or optional)
I think learning traditional techniques is fine, it's up to you and what sounds fun or enjoyable to you. There is a lot you can learn from learning traditional techniques so it's only beneficial, but it's not necessary for every artist or anything.
Yes, drawing live figures and plein air, any drawing from life really is a great exercise.
3D is totally optional in my opinion, but like with most things, definitely beneficial if you learn a new skill :)
Thank you kindly!@@ForrestImel
your stuff makes mine look like trash. I need to step it up lol
This is such an amazing video, I'm just starting out and your studying tips are really helpful, I watched your studying video and I was wondering if its still ''up to date'' or if there's stuff you would add or change from it that you learned over the years?
I think back then I was still kind of writing just a lot of random observational things, but not really focusing on fundamental aspects. Like now I really focus on very specific parts of things I study, it's almost always either studying value, color, light, shape, or form, but of a specific object or thing. I think when your brain gets accustomed to breaking things down into simpler terms and rules it becomes a lot easier to see what your mistakes are and correct them.
You're just smart
hello I would like to know on which site you sent the messages to look for a job, I am an illustrator I would also like to have a job I have my artstation and deviantart but I have no visibility and today I do not know how I can do to be visible..
do you have any advice on this?
My job postings were just on all sorts of different forums, many probably aren't even a thing anymore. Like conceptart.org, polycount, imaginefx, etc.
My big "looking for work" post that got me work with pathfinder was just done on instagram, twitter, and facebook.
This may be a pessimistic question, but is there a point in continuing to try to become a professional in this industry now that ai is coming and will soon cause a number of layoffs? I'm from another country with no gaming/animation industry and at this point I just don't see a future for myself, what way even is there for me to go abroad for work if it's more competitive than ever? I'm not the best and I don't have the opportunity for school. I'm studying engineering as a plan b and I'm trying to accept that this is probably my future but it sucks. I really thought giving up would feel worse.
He made a video about AI some time back. You can easily find it on his channel.
@@solarydays @hazelyhaste I appreciate the realistic answer a lot more than the usual "you can do it there's no excuses". I'm aware about the market being oversaturated now, and with the ai on top I've basically given up on making art full time. Luckily I was warned about this during high school so now I'm heading towards a good degree while also working part time with a start up company from America making concepts and illustrating books in my country. Honestly giving up my childhood dreams hurts way less in itself, that's just life. What hurts is the hypocrisy of others that said it was possible while not fully disclosing their privileged positions. It feels like I've been lied to. And I'm still in the "angry about the inherent unfairness of life" phase so that doesn't help either😂
@@solarydays That's true, all this just makes me feel thankful for the family and art teachers who didn't put me down for hoping but also prepared me for reality. Thanks for talking with me, I appreciate it!
Yes because AI isn’t actually good art. You would know that if you knew about drawing. Faces out of perspective, trash proportions and then the main topic. AI uses other peoples art works and mish mashes it to create a new image. It….itself isn’t making anything. What does this mean? You’ll use AI and end up with Kim GungJis line work, Dave Rapozas coloring, etc etc etc. AI is nothing but a tool of reference.
Wow, Thanks for insight, it was really insightful, Mr. Imel but I have some questions
. Do you mind sharing which platform or by what method do you use to reach out to get clients??? what social media did you put your works out to get recognize?????
ps. one more. How do you know a job is legit from the company and not some Job scams???
There used to just be a ton of online forums, like I think I had "artist for hire" posts on like 8 different forums, it was nuts. I'm not sure if any of those are really that active anymore, I think most people end up finding artists through major social media sites nowadays if I were to guess but I'm really not sure.
As for knowing if jobs are legitimate or not, that's tough sometimes. I've been scammed a couple times, eventually you kinda get a good sense for when things feel off. But I think making sure to not commit to any work until contracts are signed and finalized helps. And if contracts aren't involved, asking for 50% up front and 50% upon completion is pretty standard. That way if things go badly you still made some money.
@@ForrestImelOh god, these are gold advices. Thanks, Forest!!! Keep up the good work!!🫡👍
I can’t find your distraction makers channels
My bad, I should include a link in the description probably: www.youtube.com/@distractionmakers
maybe instead of "self-taught" it can be.. "self educated"
heh, i'm starting a new trend with this. 😏i'm so smart
Didn't watch the video, this got recommended to me by the algorithm. But the black and white 2010 sketch you used in the thumbnail, is way more interesting and cool than the generic 2016 triple A whatever gaming studio design you claim to be "better".
Food for thought.
cool
How did you go about finding clients in the beginning of your freelance and do you think things are different now?
I assume that my work is decent enough of quality (and people tell me as such), and have worked as freelancer for a while now. But, at the start clients contacted me and work was plentiful, I think I got the wrong idea that the ball was comfortably rolling. That eventually dried up and currently I am struggling to find new clients, especially for the last half year or so. I feel I need to restart everything and go again from ground up.
Sure the whole industry seems to be on a down turn but I also feel I must be doing something wrong with the way I try to email clients and such.
Any tips on how to go about it?
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I told myself. the only school I'll ever go to will be FZD... I miss Feng
Does magic still pay 100 per piece ?
I don't think Magic ever paid 100 per image. They currently pay $1250 for your average card that isn't a planeswalker.