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In this video Lee Morris compares a Sandisk V30 memory card against a Prograde V90 and a Transcend card reader against a ProGrade card reader that is more than 4 times the price. As expected the ProGrade card was around 3 times faster but we were also shocked to find that the ProGrade memory card reader worked far better than the cheaper Transcend card. Even if you don't want to spend the money on a more expensive memory card, buying a nicer ProGrade card reader is still worth it.
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Looks like I made one more mistake! The Transcend card reader I own is the RDF8 reader but it has since been replaced with the RDF9 reader (that looks identical) that is made for UHS-II cards (two rows of pins). Keep in mind that the Sandisk card is UHS-1 and it still performed better in the ProGrade reader so I'm not expecting the new Transcend card reader to perform as well, but it will probably be somewhat better than my tests with the Prograde card + Transcend reader. I'm going to buy this new card reader and then do a new video just about that.
Props on redoing the video. Of course in UHS 2 vs USH 1, UHS2 will perform better. It would be interesting if you guys could compare a Sandisk UHS2 card and a Prograde UHS2 card and take a look at the differences.
I hate to say there bud, but you are mixing up the USB 3.1 Gen 2 and UHS-II. These are completely different and unrelated standards. People don't help, talking about USB 3.0 as that standard no longer exists and was swallowed up into USB 3.1 Gen 1.
The issues stated were more with regards to testing methodologies, there are some great standards and methodologies used in the tech review community on TH-cam and it would have made more sense to look to some of those and how they go about a consistent test, especially with regards to potential caching.
+1 Would like to see Prograde UHS-II vs SanDisk UHS-II write speed tests using the Prograde card reader/writer. Tests could include standard windows file copy of (~50GB+) large video file(s) and a second test with (~50GB) smaller raw files, 3 tests of each file type back to back to each card. Then test both cards using a storage perf tool like HD Tune and/or ATTO. Primarily interested in the sub par v30 minimum write spec on the Sandisk UHS2 vs the Prograde (or Sony) v90 spec. For any given size UHS2 card, the SanDisk models seem overpriced compared to the Prograde or Sony given the SanDisk's v30 spec. (For the record, I own a SanDisk 128GB UHS-II card and feel it's over priced if the most it can reliably perform is v30 on writes.)
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Hahahaha
And you could probably spend $5 on a magnet to glue to the bottom of RDF9 reader and get that same fancy feature of the ProGrade.
You said "SSD Drive", meaning Solid State Drive Drive. Reupload it again.
Sacha Korban hahaha
I was like , oof...
Reupload it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha
Sacha Korban yeah man get it right. Just like when people say it’s atm. It’s pronounced atm machine
I love the complaints about 5gb vs 10gb, when neither device is even hitting 2gb.
Well, there can be differences between theoretical caps and realistic speeds, and will sometimes be reflected even when you don't reach the peak value.
Be careful, you will trigger the snowflakes with your reasoning.
many people are crazy for port speeds and only look for that ... -.- but not, if the port is realy the bottleneck
"But I'm sure you guys are gonna have something else to complain about."
That statement just about captures the sum of all TH-cam comments.
Captures the sum of ALL comments made on the internet period. hahaha
No it doesnt your just a socialist liberal millennial snowflake MAGA!
I rarely watch these guys and this just came up on autoplay but have to say, if they are so salty about their audience, maybe they should consider a new career path...
@@tuvaaq It is the saltiness of a seasoned TH-camr.
@@mstrainjr aye that's my point, switch comments off if don't like em, but wait, that's where the money lies, deal with it or find a new audience. Pretty sure they were quick to pull Northrup when believing shit dun wrong...
“Who’s the idiot now?? I don’t even know the features of my own computer.”, is it a trick question?
I think it might be a self-deprecating joke...
It wouldn't matter anyway since the USB 3.0(aka USB 3.1 gen1) speed of 5Gb/s is equal to 625MB/s, so 2.5 times the max speed of the faster card (250MB/s). Also the USB C port on the back of his PC may actually be USB 3.2 which supports up to 20Gb/s (2.5GB/s, 2500MB/s).
@@theirishscionyeah I think it was
Fixing your ignorance is commendable, not idiotic.
Found the idiot
Nice job on the slightly revised video. It's interesting that the port change allowed for max transfer on the two simultaneous cards. I had no idea on the multiple versions of USB either.
Good job on the take 2 guys. Enjoyed it the 2nd time as well. :)
Interesting video. Great job :-)
Good test and good humility. Kudos and thanks for the info!
Double sided tape + magnet = $3.00
Wiping your memory with the magnet = priceless
Héctor Dario Abarca you beat me to it! Nice man
umm, these are solid state drive not magnetic base memory drive.
@@HDA_III not how it works bud
it ain't a hard drive
@@HDA_III lol it's 2019 already . no worries it's not magentic tape inside an sd card
Great video, super informative! Thanks!
This was super informative, thanks! :D
I found nothing wrong with the original test. Nice to see you are willing to react and redo it! Cheers!
you made a mistake you wore your hat backwards. LOL :)
thanks for sharing great video.
Thanks for your review. Great job.
Thank you, that was helpful!
Your hat is facing wrong way!!!!
Lol.. tnx for doing this btw ^^
Yeah you don't want to be going out in the sun like that , end up with a big white stripe on ya head 😀
If someone is wearing a baseball cap backwards, I *cannot* take them seriously.
I hope everyone here's is joking..
You know what is a scam? The RED camera's storage
Gabriel P0 you know what is a scam? A RED camera
@@LesChroniquesDeGeorge Every product made in China by underpaid workers and sold in the US and Europe for a stratospheric price is a scam. The most obvious example is smartphones, SD cards, anything sold by Apple and other multibillion dollar companies. Nowadays we have Chinese companies making the exact same product and selling it for a fraction of the cost. IPhone and Xiaomi, Metabones and Viltrox and so on...
Psaikodelik I completely agree with you! I bought my Nikon D850 which I paid 3800€ for it! And it’s made in Thailand! I’m sure it only cost 200-300$ to make it! Not to mention the Sony SD cards and the XQD cards... I got a new MacBook Pro which I can’t even edit 4K video because is too slow I paid 1600€ anyway! As a photographer you need all this stuff!
@@LesChroniquesDeGeorge When you look at it in terms of cost to make it do you think that represents the totality of the cost? Is cost only raw materials and labor? Cost is much more complex than that. Research is a massive cost that needs to be offset. They spend millions of dollars for years in product development. You did not include that in the cost. Marketing that cost. When they sell it to B&H of whoever that was not 3800. When the camera breaks that is a cost to service the warranty, on and on. Why do people look at only cost to manufacture? With the Macs they just ripping you off, no idea on EARTH why you would need them to edit a photo. you just complained about cost and invested in the largest con on Earth "You need a mac"con.
AHS Society I agree with you 100% it goes the same way when we as photographers charge a lot of money for a shot! Is not just the click to take a photo but years of experience and material costs... I’m not complaining, I understand everything it goes into the process of manufacturing and research ! As why I chose Mac over a PC trust me! I can’t deal with windows anymore ! I did it for years but the instability of the system let me down many times and a lot of lost work in due process ! It’s not a must but is a choice
you got me at the end with the printer cable,, I was like, these guys are crazy!!! where is that video?!!! =))))
Great video! This information helped me out with my decision on upgrading my SD cards and reader. 👍
What cracks me up... being in the computer field area, many of us know this and know how to read memory cards, however it is a BIG MISS even for us to translate what we now think of as common knowledge to another industry that must rely on memory cards. So glad you cleared it up for THIS industry and in a very authentic way using a 'real world' test. Great Job! Love the fact that you also CALL out the haters :) Even as my marketing coach has said... any form of advertising is STILL advertising and in this day in age, controversial comments can do a lot to build awareness and you gain a lot of CRED when you show growth in front of the masses at that point. Great job again!
The reader makes a difference because unlike compact flash, SD cards don't have the controller built-in. It relies on the reader's controller
Good information, thank you!
Really well explained, thanks for that.
(I'm sorry for calling you out.) Thanks Lee for covering it again.
like the magnet thing? buy one and glue it with loctite
Hello I liking thing video, good info..
Question, which is best memory card for my Canon M50?
Thank you for the video - and the corrections. This will help so many people to make knowledgeable decisions based on their needs and what they value.
Also your chart still has read and write speeds swapped, but that's not a huge issue haha
Dammit!
You know what’s unacceptable about this video? That mesh hat you wore in the first clip. ;D
Thanks for redoing the video and the info guys!
It's not a mesh hat, it's a Faraday Cage to keep your pro card's safe LOL.
jebis03 Totally agree. Gawd, the current backwards snap-back style is just awful and so many guys are doing it. Just wear a fitted cap backwards. Frickin' patch of shiny forehead, sometimes with a few hairs sticking out on some of these guys..ridiculous. They look like hammered dooods from the late '70s at a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert. "Free Bird, man!"
Of all the problems on the planet and that ticks you off...? What a sad way to live.
Scotty Zepplin I can’t understand if this is poorly crafted sarcasm or you’re being serious
Excellent video 📹 thanks, Bob
Well done... I needed this info.
Honestly I have to say. You manage to do reviews without them feeling like reviews. I learned a lot from your test here and keep up the great work.
Only problem I have with this test is that you should have also used some much bigger files of 20gb or so to se if it can sustain speed over a long time, other than that buying better card readers after this^^
7:30 "SO who's the idiot now?" LOL I legit thought you would say "Me for not knowing my computer has it" HAHAHAHA.
Hey man, this is an excellent video. You knocked it out of the park. Seriously impressed that you pursued excellence by taking on board everyone's comments and doing a remix/clarification of the old one. I found this very useful. My G9 only records video at 150Mb/s. So good to know. Looks like these Angelbird V90 cards I bought were overkill. Perhaps high framerate raw photo mode will benefit. I'm definitely gonna invest in a good card reader. Thanks again.
Have you tested the Sony "Though" cards?
I'm not sure I want a magnet near my memory cards, I'm sure it's safe but it's unnerving to me.
I was thinking the same. Plus: how can I carry it when I am travelling? Near the hard-drives? Near the laptop? Near the cameras? Meh
@@lorenzoamato953 There are plenty go better options out there. If you really need a magnet you could always glue a smaller and less powerful one on the bottom of any old card reader or better yet use velcro. I have been using card readers since 2001 and have never had the need for a magnet on them.
PJ Smith the magnet will probably be a old ferrite magnet and is not strong enough to effect the cards, - even a small neodymium one - is doubtful to effect it)
@@lasarith2 I'm sure your right and I was half joking, but also honestly would not buy one of these. I guess I just don't like the idea of it, but I will admit I'm no expert on magnets.
PJ Smith np 🙂 if you’re in any doubt, better to err on the side of caution then not .
Informative and entertaining... Plus I am so jealous of you guys living it up in Puerto Rico!
I found the video informative. Everyone will have to determine cost vs their time.
I am curious as to what desktop and editing software you use. Possibly a workflow video in the future? I only found your video just now so I apologize if you have already covered this.
I have exactly the transcend reader you show on B&H and it does over 200 MB/s in both directions. The thing is, the Transcend reader on your PC isn't the one on your B&H Page! You have the non UHS-II Reader, that one is significantly slower. you can see it because yours is missing a UHS-II label.
This Video is pointless if you didn't know what you are testing....
Wow so true. Is this guy being serious!!! Made me waste hours of my time!
Humans are here to complaint, you'll get used to it... 😂😂😂
I just subscribe to your channel thanks to your good sense of humor and for the good info and deliver! 👍🏽
great video man you help me !!!
A factor that's important to me, DURABILITY. I wish there's a way to simulate the test on durability. I'm even willing to sacrifice some speed for more durability.
That's crazy I also had no idea that the card reader has such a big impact on transfer speeds. Great video Lee.
You wont believe,by how much....
I was lucky to get very fast reader with memory card. Also alway use direct usb readers without cable IT DOES MATTER!!!
Thank you for taking the time to review the tests. Can't speak for anyone else, but my comment on the previous version of the video was not to criticize you, but just to state that these "potential errors" had left me unsure about which combination of cards and readers to buy. Thanks again for clarifying!
LOL, thumbs up just for the intro alone!
Hmm,,,, m a magnetised case with all that tech inside,, velcro is your friend,,,
Good fun vids though
Velcro is such a RIP Off! Lol
Magnets cannot affect solid state storage, they are not magnetic systems
Logan Cressler fair comment buddy,, that’s good to know,,
just,, my concern was with the complete system,,, contents,,, just magnets man,,, in the right place , yes,, not for me on PC ,,,
Great on a fridge door,,🤪🥛🍨🍉🍻
Dude.... I think you are fair.... love the vid.
I very much enjoy your video's, you are a funny guy, I think a few silly jokes and hop right back into , concise and your well spoken energetic rap .. Bravo ! ( What happened with Puerto Rico ? )
nice video.... and love your clean dual screen desktop set up...
Perfect joke in the end.
In my humble opinion, your credibility as a reviewer shot right to the top with this one.
Now subscibed
Thanks ☆☆☆☆☆
This was very helpful. Thanks for teaching me how to read an SD card.
So nice vid bro..wish you could test against the internal iMac reader
Having worked in a high-end camera store for over 6 years, I can say one of the most frustrating things to sell is memory cards.
We dealt mainly in C.Fast and SDXC cards, and about 70% of the time the customer would choose the wrong card.
Keep in mind, our customer base was primarily small-to-medium business owners, often with more money than sense, having had their finger off the pulse for many years, focusing on building their business instead of actually shooting and keeping up to speed. Trying to carefully explain to this kind of person that they're wrong, the number on the box doesn't matter and they'll have to spend about 4x that price to suit their needs was a perpetual nightmare.
I'd say about half of those customers thought we were trying to finesse them into buying a higher priced item which they didn't really need, so they would buy 30 or so of the cheaper cards only to come back in a couple of days with a head full of steam, ranting and raving about false advertising, accusing us of selling counterfeit cards, demanding refunds, etc etc.
Seemed that you are wrong AND not good at explaining. The numbers on the boxes do matter and are easy to understand. Get another job.
I have 2 Sandisk Extreme U3 uhs1 32GB SD Cards, I use Ugreen $5 usb 3 Card Reader into My Anker USB 3 Hub $12 into USB 3 Port in the Back of my PC.
I get no less than 80-85MBPS when dumping data from SD Card onto 7200 rpm WD 1TB HDD.
Wondering how you're getting slower speeds with Extreme Pro 95Mbps cards?
because he is an idiot! he is promoting the prograde obviously! i'm not saying he do it intentionally but in the end everybody is going to think sandisk and transcend are garbage and the prograde is so good!
Fstoppers : Thank you for this informative video on memory cards , not everyone is a pro at photography and the equipment necessary to excel in this digital world ! Your video helps teach us what to expect from a memory card in terms of performance , including how well a card reader works with a comparison in real time ……. Between the average car reader the Transcend verses a professional card reader Prograde ! Yes, in the end we all must make decisions on what to use , and then purchase the required equipment whether one is just starting out , or is a bona-fide pro at filming !!!!!
The reason the write test was faster to transfer using the better card reader (as supposed to the Transcend) with the Sandisk is because of caching. The computer or memory card will cache the data so a recently accessed item will transfer quicker. A better test would have been to either reformat the card, or clear the cache on the computer.
You use a 256GB drive but only test with 1.5 GB files.... I would like to see bigger files
You also should've used a RAM disk instead of your system SSD. This eliminates some variable factors such as a Windows update downloading in the background slowing down your drive.
Watching this video was like getting a blipvert of Max Headroom of information that I really needed to know. So useful. I learned a lot. Thank you.
Well Done! Shut those trolls up!! It's important to re-review sometimes so that you can be completely CLEAR & TRANSPARENT when it comes to testing! You can't get everything right all the time and it's as important to say you are/were wrong when you are if you want to keep you respect and credibility. The one thing you will never get far in life without is Honesty 🍻
I loved the magnet idea so much that I put a big-ass magnet on my external HDD. Now my one and only backup of all my family photos is completely safe.
not really because having magnets near any memory device is not great.
You also need a Backup of your family photos because if that HDD gets damaged or fails and you cant get data recovery then you would lose ALL of your Photos FOREVER!!!! that's a no brainer!
@@soarin5833 please tell me youre joking friend, because al paca was joking
Sarcasm seems to be a dying art lol
The title should be “are expensive Sd card reader worth it?”
Fstopper, you did an excellent job. I learned several key points here..
Thank you for a nice educational video .
You say 17$ card reader is cheap. In our country we buy them for 0.20$.
kosovo is very good country.
Yes, but what's the average wage?
@@cooloox 200$
$200 a month? Hour? What? Give references please. I’m confused.
@@VictorOrange 100$ per month, min wage. I used to do it.
Uni passed students do jobs full time 200$ wage.
Anyone remember transferring tape in real-time, we have gotten so spoiled..
Me. Filming for a day. Around 4x 41min DVcam tapes capturing on a Sony DSR-11. Living hell.
Very informative!
great video. thank you.
25/5000
GREAT GOOD GOOD CARD.
Question: why do you have two unifying receivers in the same PC? You know you can connect up to 7 devices on a single dongle?
Exactly what i was thinking
Awesome video. Learned a couple new things. I'm happy that I did put extra $$ for the better card. I get photographers in our photography club all the time laughing at me for buying the better card. Now I can send them your video. LOL
This is a great review...for those dreaming and for those who have to do this on the daily. I’ve been through it all and I’m not running on OWC card reader for Mac book pro 2018...4K raw is really big. I think you should make another video based of this about the application. Photos are one thing but video is really the context here. But seriously thinking I’ll trying one for the card readers since the new Mac do not include them as a built in feature. Sooo many cables and stuff to take around now. Hahaha thanks guys!
Its is quite sad that our lives are now consumed by speed , 20 sec approx - 10 secs approx Good Lord $380 for tens secs I think I would just put the kettle on for a cup of tea. There is always going to be improvements but people are losing prospective....
If you are just starting you buy what you need to get the job done, today you would buy the $80 reader , years before the cheaper one still did the job . In ten years why would you change the $80 reader for a $160 reader if it still does the job....
We are all getting to a point where the idea of money growing on trees is being believed.
Still if you take a job and get paid $ 500 and then spend it on a Card and a reader with all your gear and expenses for twenty second not quite sure how anyone can justify the logic in that.
The company's should be making the improvements ,make the products cheaper in order for people to buy without hesitation instead of just trying to bleed people dry for ten seconds the cost ratio just cannot work... but good to see the comparison.
If you have a 256GB card you are probably going to use a good portion of that (maybe with a 4k video). With the prograde reader you save 12 seconds with just a 1,5GB file, let's say you need to copy 200GB, it's 26 minutes faster, a pretty noticeable improvement, especially if you are a pro...If it's just a hobby, get the cheap one and wait of course :)
PS: i'm sure that a mid level reader (30$ maybe) is as fast as the prograde.
Unfortunately we live in the 4k age. To record with my A7iii on 4k, you need a UHS II card. sure you don't have to buy the 256g ones but if your clients want more then 5 seconds of footage you gotta bite the bullet. People aren't buying this card for the copy speed, they're buying it so they can get the max out of their cameras.
I get your meaning. However, it all adds up once you have a workload that includes 30 odd cards at a time and people want it out asap.
JWGFoto I understand but I always build in A time factor at the start a Bit like Scotty from Star Trek tell them four hours when you know it s two .. Iol
Can totally tell you haven't gotten back home at midnight after shooting a wedding and need to transfer 3 memory cards worth of A7riii images...
I want to get the images backed up ASAP. The sooner I have them safely backed up in a total of three locations ( 2 card and a HDD) the sooner I'm able to stop being paranoid, the sooner I can edit a couple of sneak peaks but more importantly, the sooner I can slide into bed and cuddle the wife I haven't seen all day.
Will happily splash the cash for more time doing other stuff.
There are faster SD cards from sandisk with 300 mb/s
Love this video and the "redo" aspect. Thanks for doing this and educating the community
Good finds. Very good finds. There’s a reason to spend more on quality and you’re showing us this.
Can you redo the test again? You mislabeled the Sandisk's read/write speeds on the notes in the video.
The pro reader is faster cause the magnet on the bottom erases some of the data off the card lol
Frequency Studios it’s not tape storage...
Magnets cannot affect solid state storage, as it is not a magnetic storage system.
Great video, gracias how's the weather?
You got confused where 80% of the population gets confused. Nice work in explaining the confusion and going through the tests again. Great video, very useful info. Cheers man
Internet people are cruel :D
Your comment offends me.
"I'm sure you guys are going to have something else to complain about..." 🤣😂 they're going to complain about your hat, probably...
Cudos for redoing the test and being honest to yourself and the audience. I really appreciate that ;)
Thanks for doing this research.
lol did you realy use a calculator to divide 400 by 8 ?
You don't need 2 Logitech unifying dongle 1 dongle can connect to multiple devices -___-
Nice. Does the ProGrade Card Reader support OTG?
Should I be using a memory card reader into my MacBook Pro? Will this transfer quicker? I currently just stick the SSD straight into my laptop
Haters gonna hate and creators gonna create.
He never ejected the SD card. He just pulled them out! I hate non ejection people!
Mango Steel move over to a PC and you dont have to eject anymore :) -P
Mango Steel m girlfriend does too,she hates my premature ejection,I of course don’t.
@@FStoppers yes you do:p support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4051300/windows-10-safely-remove-hardware
I can't find an eject button on my computer, so I just pull out the card like he did.
Life's too short to eject safely
I watched the previous video and based on that, I ordered by the reader and the card. The webpage from amazon you showed clearly said Gen 2 and I have gen 2 ports on my PC and my laptop. Thus, you didn't give out any false information on this point. I appreciate your doing this video because while I was aware of the newer cards, I didn't know about the reader and I didn't know if the old cards (which I have plenty of) was compatible with the newer reader (and vice versa). You answered that question too. I knew something was up with that last test with two cards but I figured the caching was happening, but I never read from two cards at once anything, so that didn't bother me. Also, the cards aren't that expensive and I routinely have to bring in many 10s of GBs, so I'd rather have a reliable high-capacity, fast card. And I didn't know about the v60 cards, so that is useful too. Good job on these video as this is very useful info.
Thanks for this video. B&H should thank you. Their Prograde readers are on backorder! Will I get gen 2 speed from my Thunderbolt 3 port on my computer?
I just put my cheap SD card into my cheap reader and have a coffee , had a nice coffee and images down .
Stop all the stress and enjoy your photography. Man who really cares.
Is this an advert cleverly disguised as a testing review . Can´t you feel it. i am not a sub maybe you guys know him better.
keep in mind that there is a big difference between megabit and megabyte, (bit = 1/8 byte) so when comparing you should definitly check if they are actually in the same range.
the b should be bit and the B should be byte.
Didn’t see the first review but this one is really helpful. I, like you incorrectly assumed “a card reader is a card reader”...huhh. Who knew? Most importantly, I had no idea what the V number meant and so that information is gold. Takes a lot of the mystery out of shopping for SD cards. Thanks for taking the time to not only review once, but twice!