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Colored is just a heck of a lot cooler
PaulofPauls - I agree!
I noticed this as well, black just gets way too hot.
Michael Ping If you lay it in the sun it does?
@@sinkingkitchen They deform dude it's a very heat sensitve material.
r/whooosh
Actually the "black" vinyl is a colored record because the non colored vinyl would be clear, or lightly tan, the black coloring was the easyest choice in the old days.
usualy in plastic manufacturing the base material is the clear stuff and there is a concentrated color aditive aprox. 5%
Bálint Fürstner So which is better, black or colored?
Nanchanger ???! Watch the video.
James Reeno I did
James Reeno ?
In my experience, colored vinyl can be more difficult to see surface scratches or dirt and dust as compared to black vinyl. These problems can be rectified by simply taking care of your records and cleaning them regularly. Great video Jarrett. Keep it up!
White vinyl shows dirt and dust very easily also
My main reason I'm not a big fan colored vinyl... It's much more difficult to see scuffs and scratches unless it's a dark color. I once bought a clear record (used) and it looked MINT! Took it home and it was covered in light scratches that I couldn't see.
thats why u buy in person
Yeah but if you buy new coloured vinyl they look cool. I have a few records that I really like as wall decor and the coloured ones look way better then the black ones on the wall. If I was just going for looks and not stuff I actually like listening to I would only hang up coloured vinyl.
I bought a random album just because the vinyl was red
Same and the best thing is that it eventually became one of my favorite artists
I decided to get HIM's Razorblade Romance album on Vinyl just because the Vinyl was pink. And I also REALLY like the album. Lol
@@killer92173 damn I want that
@@austins.2495 it's really expensive on Ebay and Amazon though. :/
With black vinyl it is easier to detect dust, scratches and the groove itself! I can see tracks and their gaps easier and see when the tracks have silent or bassy parts, where there's a lot of sounds etc.. As a DJ this is very useful and even for just purely listening purposes, it's useful, too.
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Credibility automatically comes into question.
Well, he does say that they sound identical, so I don't think the credibility is less
"Is this better than that?"
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I like black vinyl because it's easier to see the dust on the record. colored is nice too.
I love coloured vinyl because it looks so cool. I have quite a few coloured vinyl records in my collection now, the most recent ones I got from eBay are new 180g reissues of 'The Slider', 'Tanx' and 'Bolan Boogie' by T.Rex. The Slider is a silver coloured vinyl, Tanx is on a blue and pinky red split coloured vinyl and the Bolan Boogie one is blue and they look awesome.
Very cool. I have been a T Rex fan since 1972 👍
You could do a video of your opinions on first pressings
i own black, coloured,flexi and picture discs and honestly other than Flexi (which i only bought to say i had one haha) i cant tell any difference in sound quality
right! same!
same, i dont have a flexi one, but the others sound the exact same
I always preferred black over coloured vinyl simply because the difference in surface noise. The coloured vinyl in the 80s was terrible and forget about playing picture discs.
Strangely red and clear I found to be the same as black vinyl.
These days though the quality is way better than the crap they used in the 80s and I find that coloured vinyl sounds pretty good so I am trying not to be as biased as I once was.
80s vinyl was all crap simply to make the public switch over to cd.
Early 80s vinyl was fine, but I agree, by the late 80s it was shocking. I've got some records that are so thin you can almost see through them.
So what do you think the cut off period would be for well made records? 80-82, 83-85, 86-88?
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@@leopold7562 I have a lot of vinyl records from the late 80s, and they all sound pretty good with very little noise
What makes it worse about Picture discs is that some albums are only available in Picture Disc's.
*GLARES AT TOOL'S LATERALUS ALBUM*
Well, I have a record label and talked to some pressing plants about this. For my net release I'm pressing 400 on black vinyl and 100 on crystal clear with white haze (to give it an ice effect) and I was told by Pirates Press that there is a LOT more surface noise from clear vinyl. They said its almost on par with picture discs, but any solid color will sound very close to black vinyl.
There is absolutely no scientific reason for this though, unless they are pressing the colored/clear records badly compared to the black ones for some reason. Otherwise, all things being equal, there's no way color or clearness can affect the sound.
CountBlagorath
So what do you prefer
exactly, i have a bunch of colored vinyl and they all sound good compared to the black ones
I've had decent plain white and red colours, but mostly black is best. Picture disc, marbles etc - avoid at all cost
I think as far as current vinyl production goes, it's all in what the listener hears and believes based on what he or she has been told. There is a pressing plant that has a color chart available online ( don't remember the name at the moment ), that shows translucent colors being quieter than solid colors.
I honestly don't care what color my records are as long as they sound as good as they can. I have never had any major issues with colored vinyl. In 2015, I purchased an album that was translucent red that was very noisy, I exchanged it for another copy ( it was only available on translucent red ) and it was fine.
I even have a splattered white/black ( Weezer's Pacific Daydream ), and I was really surprised that it sounds fantastic with no clicks or pops while playing.
I think colored and multi colored records are cooler looking but it’s harder to see flaws in them
Love the structure and format of your videos!
A guy who I buy records from told me that the reason why some older colour vinyl can sound worse is because the colour versions might have been produced at the end of a run before cleaning the machines as a 'novelty' or a 'special pressing'.
Thanks for that. I have been avoiding colored vynil because i had heard it didn't sound as good. You cleared that up 👍
I've been wanting a video on this for the LONGEST time.
no difference in sound black has a pigment added to make it black. i prefer colored though
Elliot Buckingham i prefer black, see tracks better and scratches. Nothing more differences really.
King Diamond that's why you need a spotlight, my friend. I got one and I can read my bright yellow one like I can a black one. Though you need to angle it right.
i love the look of clear vinyl and sometimes coloured but black vinyl shows up flaws and scratches and tracks clearly.
Great video as always, thanks Jared!
the reissues from Brian Jonestown Massacre are ALL on coloured vinyl and sound amazing. i think is a matter of pressing quality, above everything.
I agree! Sometimes the quality of the chef is more important than the quality of the ingredients...
you are fortunate, however the odds are generally stacked against the consumer, as it is not always apparent which plant the record was manufactured in, or if the attention to quality was where it needed to be
You are indeed correct about coloured vinyl records today not (necessarily) differing from standerd black vinyl records.
However I think this 'superstition' came from older coloured records before they were audibly indistinguishable and still made from different material
Another interesting topic. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much for answering this question! Appreciate it.. and yes, colored records are so awesome to find
CardboredBox He kind of answered, but half the people here disagree with him...
I don't know if colored records sound better or worse but between some bands selling some to get you to buy their music even though the album is not that great and record companies using them as a way to make a few extra bucks on a sale, I follow a simple rule: the music on the album is the only thing that matters and if the colored version is availalbe at no extra charge, then why not. It's not like I stare at my turntable while playing a record.
Dear Jared, the arguments concerning the pros and cons of coloured vinyl have been raging for the last half-century or more and the answer is encapsulated in everything set out in your video: new vinyl, clean surfaces and no picture discs or flexi-discs. Well said, sir!
+Parlophonic thank you so much! I wanted to set the record straight...pun intended! 😄
Hahahahahahahaha! Keep up the good work.
thanks for the video wasn't expecting this today 👍👍
I just acquired the 8 McCartney lps released on different colored vinyls and they were pressed in Germany, they sound amazing. They sound like DMM pressings. Also the Stones Hot Rocks on clear vinyl sounds 3D compared to the black 180grm pressings. interesting!
Soundwise I would go for black or colour. Collectability, picture discs have some value to them. Conclusion: Buy one of each if you're a recordcollector! :)
thanks for the great content Jarrett! is there a company or website that you prefer to get your records from? Besides vinyl moon.
What type of needle would you recommend? I have a Victrola 7-in-1 turntable.
Hi Jarrett!
Thanks for getting me into record collecting! I've been watching your videos for about a year and a half now, and I'm a big fan!
I know you've made a few videos about colored vinyl, but in a future video, could you discuss the differences between opaque, translucent, and transparent vinyl? I feel like a lot of people and product descriptions get these terms mixed up.
I also feel like there are so many variations of "clear" vinyl. For example, I have colorless transparent vinyl (i.e., my Urban Outfitters exclusive pressing of "Neotheater" by AJR), but some other records I have that are labeled as "clear" are actually translucent white (i.e., my first pressing of "Meliora" by Ghost) or even a translucent light blue (i.e., my "clear" pressing of "Pray for the Wicked" by Panic! at the Disco). Then there are terms like "coke bottle clear" (AKA "mint green") that really just mean that the pressing is tinted, transparent, or translucent light green.
I'd love to hear your opinions on this, and I think this would be a great discussion to have on the channel!
Thanks,
Kelsey
The first record I bought was a splatter. I was so surprised. And it's so cool
I went and bought my first vinyls a few days ago, and a couple were colored. Ghost's Opus Eponymous record was printed on a kinda gold sparkle swirl, and Potty Mouth's SNAFU record, which is blue.
Thank you for the great description and using images to show us
You are the best for the answer I was looking for
could you PLEASE make a video talking about picture disc vinyl records & how it effects the sound quality? pls!
Since I buy vinyl records simply as collection pieces, I usually go for colored limited editions haha I just like them way more
I have caroline polacheks pang clear w gold glitter vinyl, and honestly it’s so gorgeous, the gold reflects and the album is such a vibe
Vinyl Eyezz, tell me, What would happen if , instead of making the vinyl "biscuit" first, the vinyl pellets were spreaded directly onto the molds to press the records?
How did you calculate the overhang for your 2M Red cartridge on your ATLP120?
There is no discernible difference in sound quality. It’s a total myth among audiophiles that also think spending 1,000 dollars on a cable vs. 100 dollars on a cable makes a HUGE difference in the sound. I think it comes from those same old guys that think vinyl should only be black.
Great video! Well explained of what goes into actually making the vinyl whether black or coloured. People in my industry (pedal steel guitar) say black pedal steels sound better, which totally isn't true. It is the player, not the guitar, Same applies in the vinyl world. It is the set up and music, not the colour. Play a coloured record on a crosley and it will sound shite compared to the black record on an LP120 with brilliant speakers. Put them on the same set up either way and they sound the same.
Great video, Jarrett!! I've been debating this topic for a while now!! ;)
+Milesdaguy :-D thanks for watching Miles! Glad I could help! And it was great seeing you at Amoeba the other day!
Yeah man!!!! Thank you so much!!!!!
My favourite coloured record is The Desaturating Seven by Primus. Its a clear record with splotches of different colours all over it.
I personally have always found colored vinyl to sound quite good. There are only two factors I know that might possibly be valid…
With colored records you know you aren't getting recycled vinyl, which was notorious for being more noisy. However, I don't know if anybody is even pressing recycled vinyl anymore. It seems to be a thing of the past.
With black records it may be easier to see when your record is getting dirty. But if you wipe the dust off every time you play them anyhow, then it hardly matters.
Thanks for the info, Jarrett. I’m now gonna put cream and sugar on top of all my vinyl records now
new sub, love your videos, so well made and interesting!
I have a 1980 model NAD 5020 belt driven turntable. My stylus is due for replacement but cannot find a stylus that will work on the cartridge. What cartridge and stylus wold you suggest I take that will not cost me more than $200 i think its moving magnet?
It's been said by the audiophile community that colored vinyl has higher surface noise, thereby reducing the signal to noise ratio. A pure vinyl pressing is slightly transparent with a brownish tint. You can tell by holding it up to a lamp. If you can see the lamp just barely through the LP, it is pure vinyl, or close to it. Clear pressings do not apply as they are probably just clear plastic with some vinyl mixed in, typical of colored pressings as well.
Hammy Technoid another one says he's wrong...
Awesome vid man!
+The Cue Up thank you so much man! More great stuff on the way!
Thx for the advice hipster vinyl loving guy!
I have had good and bad of both. My newest record is Queensryche Empire 2LP on clear vinyl, and it is amazing.
Hi Jarrett! I've been wondering if you could make a video solely on first pressings of vinyl records and I'd love to know your opinion on them
Hi Jarrrett, I thought that it’s impossible to compress music on vinyl because of it’s format. I thought it’s only possible on CD, and that why the vinyl generally sounds better than CD. Which way is spinning?
Also, when did you get those sweet looking klipsch speakers?! :D
Personally, I prefer black vinyl because it is much easier to see the lead-ins to the various tracks. That's important for a DJ, like me, or anyone just wanting to pick out separate tracks to play. Also, it is much easier to see dirt and dust that needs to be removed before playing. In essence, it's just more practical. But if having "pretty" records is your thing, go that route.
Jared, I recently purchased the 20th Anniversary Goo Goo Dolls "Dizzy Up The Girl" on Purple Swirl Vinyl...and I have to say, it sounds fantastic!!!! My system has the Fluance Rt-81(Upgraded with the Ortofon Pro S Stylus/Headshell) with The Yamaha 303 Reciever...and Klipsch RP-150M Speakers...so you can imagine the sound would be pretty sweet!!!
is there anywhere i can have a custom mix record made. like i get to choose the songs that are on it
It is a great number of steps created the stampers for making vinyl... they will do it but be prepared to pay through the nose for that service... a mix for only yourself = EXPENSIVE google how records are made and you can FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY that would cost an arm and a leg
I love that there are more colored vinyl than ever before!
Your every correct Jarrett. I work in the plastic industry and the color is a additive to clear virgin material. What would would actually make a difference in the record at all is the quality of the pvc and how good the stabilizer additives are. There are additive's for UV protection, to prevent warping, etc the list goes on and on. One thing I do wonder is why the don't use anti static compounds in the resin like they used to. It's possible that there not allowed anymore for environmental reasons.
I work in plastic industry too.Antistatic is still used on many products (most of them) so why not for records ? that's a interesting question...
I have some picture discs because of the gorgeous artworks they often have and some records got an black vinyl version of the same songs too so I often got both (even if I have a very long way for research)
Can someone please give me some advise? Should I buy blue vinyl or green vinyl ?thank you
I sometimes have trouble to make a clear distinction between colored and picture vinyl. I mean lots of those colored vinyl have beautiful color splats and patterns on them, so isn't that kind of a picture as well? How do they achieve that in the production process?
i have only a picture disc but i think It sounds really good!
I recently got Run The Jewels 2 on 180 gram coloured vinyl. It sounds amazing and looks awesome.
Atrip Entertainment same with rtj3, really good looking gold vinyl
Does that Lateralus vinyl really sound bad? I just bought that one from Amazon lol.
As a polymer engineer for almost 20 years I can give more insight on the affects of color to resin. Not sure how this affects the sound of vinyl albums, but it may help in leading some of you in the right direction.
The additives (color in this case) affects the performance, structure, and rigidity of materials. Colors are made from hundreds of companies in hundreds of ways. Some use synthetic and some use organic pigmentation. White can sometimes use mica or talc, which is abrasive and can scrape the lining of a barrel and pickup carbon build up, contaminates, etc. Blues and greens are a mixed bag. Some can be organic or synthetic. This plays a big role in post shrinkage. All this may affect the quality of sound produced.
On top of all this PVC can be very toxic and gaseous when at melt temp. If left heated to long, it breaks down to a hydrochloric gas, which is poisonous and even oxidizes metals. This oxidation, if not clean properly, can leave micro contaminates in vinyl. I actually have bought brand new records that had a few spots skip due to a "chunk" of contaminate in the groove. The main thing with vinyl production is the quality of resin, color grade, machine PM, and strictness of quality inspection.
I couldn't tell you if these record companies test the colors before choosing them. I hope they do.
coloured vinyl looks so much cooler than black, so if you can get it i'd always go for a coloured version over black. Just say no to picture discs though unless they've fixed the sound quality issues with those recently.
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My biggest issue with coloured vinyl is that it is super hard to see if it is scratched or has any defects. In my experience, black or very dark coloured vinyl, allows you to better gage the condition it is in; so buying it on the second hand market is always a coin toss.. Needless to say, see-through vinyl is near impossible. You are absolutely right that it looks pretty, though! :)
I’ve got a great picture disk copy of lateralus no surface noise and great sound quality
Carbon black was added to vinyl to keep static electricity somewhat under control, but all my standard vinyl from the 1970's. through the early 90's still had ESD issues and needed to be controlled. Even small discharges would create snaps and pops, but not as much as particles/dust. And there's the rub, cleaning records often created static charges. So we use to clean and then attempt to neutralize static build up. Some people used that Zerostat, others conductive mats. I was in the second group. A good turntable's center spindle was usually grounded through a separate ground wire back to your amp. Not though the audio cables. both parts of the cables "floated" and were not grounded.
That was then, I don't know about modern equipment with built in preamps, etc. Power cords back then only had two conductors. Most modern equipment probably has three, including a separate ground wire.
I have one red-colored record - a 2012 reissue of "A Christmas Gift For You From Philles Records" - and in terms of sound quality, it is as good as CDs.
Getting the new ghost album Prequlle on colored vinyl! Also the new Dance Gavin Dance Arse!
I haven't noticed a tremendous difference between colored & black vinyl. But I have an 80's vintage Sony turntable w/ an optical size selector. Some transparent vinyl (e.g. Bush - Sixteen Stone, 20th) makes it think there's a 7" on there.
Great video once again, also another interesting topic to discuss is vinyl reissues, a lot of them are recorded with digital tapes, and that makes the vinyl crap regarding sound quality, but are we able to understand that? thoughts?and tips to stay away from companies that reissue old golden records in order to take our money while not using official tapes. Cheers Jarrett!
I love colors vinyl
Just got hard candy by Madonna on vinyl one is blue and the other pink with white line s like a candy :)♥
The sound is superb
**QUESTION** My setup is sonething like this: pc -> receiver
-> speakers .. pc is connected with the receiver through 3.5mm to 2 rca cable. Both pc and receiver include a dac right? So who will do the convertion ? Also if I buy an external dac will I get improved experience ? ( I don't hear any interference from the computer)
What are other ways to get improved quality ?
I usualy buy both. Black for listening, Color/picture for cellection/room wall ;-)
I love colored vinyl. Keep on pressing!!!
Never really heard anyone complain about colored vinyl. I have a few and they sound great. You made all the great points to look for and I don't have any pictured albums.
I as a plastics engineer can tell you, that recycling technologies have been improved so massively over the last few years that there is now nearly no difference between new and recycled. In fact, the diffrence is so little that you must have a stylus from a ced player, if anybody knows what that is :-). (Apologies for my poor english)
VINYL EYEZZ, DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PRODUCTION STEPS OF MAKING VINYL AT ALL OR DO YOU PLAN ON MAKING ONE? I REALLY WISH TO LEARN ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY.
Agree 100%, more about cleanliness & care than the color.
I like both.
Honestly I prefer color vinyl especially when it is 180 gram
Julian Gonzalez better sound?
I was just wondering if you had any Elvis records, 1:04 answered my question.Also, I prefer black vinyls, they look original.
In some pressing plants, they add pigment to clear dye to make coloured records. These records are a bit lower quality, as it sorta incorporates a grit into the vinyl. Especially the silver and gold records.
Are represses as good as original?
I love this video , the way in which you presented it , keep up the good work ! Also I have 2 identical vinyl LPs with the exception that one is red and the other is black , and the black sounds far better , but they are bootlegs , same label etc , and I always blamed this on the colored vinyl , but your video makes me think , thank you
Technically, color can matter at pressing factories. Black is the ideal color for pressing at factories. Different colors melt at different temperatures, so the workers need to set the machines' temperature depending on the color being pressed. But it doesn't really deter from the sound quality, just at the pressing factory, but if pressed wrong they won't sound as good.
Do u like older records aswell or just buy brand new
I have a Bob Seger silver 33 1/3 album. Hold on an angle and you can see what looks like glitter in it.
Hi Jarrett i recently came into this term called 'Dust to Digital' probably you can make a video explaining this term? Thanks
Is it true that the sound of the Lateralus album on vinyl sound not so great ?
I always thought that colored vinyl is not offered in 180 gram; only black. In my experiences though, I have yet to notice a significant difference in sound quality between 180 gram and standard vinyl. So maybe 180 gram doesn't enhance the sound, but reduces warping of the record?
blake Aakhus actually is the opposite,180grams records are much more easy to warp if u stock them in a "bad" way
+blake Aakhus you're definitely right, in my personal experience I think that 180 gram vinyl is less prone to warping. I like those records because they feel solid and will last a long time!
I have several picture discs, and 2-3 of them sound very bad. One is the 12" Desolation Row by MCR and another is The Dethalbum 2. The dethalbum is insanely quiet, and MCR has insane noise. I can remember how bad/good any of my other picture discs sound. I haven't noticed my colored records sounding worse than my black ones. Both can sound equally bad for many different reasons though.
I've always liked colored vinyl since I was a kid and got some yellow 78's for my first records. I have a couple of thoughts / ideas I don't think you've covered yet. In the early 70's when I began collecting vinyl there was an often talked about theory that the white label promo pressings were pressed differently to make them sound better on the radio. But they supposedly wore out quicker. Not sure if it was the type of vinyl being different or way they were pressed. Any thoughts ??
You just covered colored vinyl, what about etched vinyl ? I own a couple. The first being the Styx Paradise theater. I always thought that sounded pretty good.
Great video as usual.