The most innovative grapple on the market | Artillian Modular Grapple
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Interesting product and certainly innovative. The only downside I see is that it's kind of like the ShopSmith tools. It can do a lot of things but maybe doesn't excel at everything. Also, like the ShopSmith, it's a great system if you like to do changeovers all the time. Seems like when you add up all the changeover time, a traditional SSQA would probably save time in the long run. Just my opinion but definitely a cool product. Thanks for all the great videos from Messicks!
hello, have been looking at a kuboa b2601. is there a best time of the year to get the best deal? buy one in the winter when sales is slower or spring when tractor season is beginning? thanks
Nope. I did a video about that... somewhere. Programming is very good right now with covid.
Good review Neil. I've seen quite a few reviews of the Artillian grapple system and NO ONE goes into any detail on how the modules actually attach to the frame and lock in place. So kudos for that! BTW... Artillian also makes an adapter that slips on the fork frame that allows you to attach 3-point implements like a landscape rake or blade. Using it up front really changes the way those implements can be used. You can even attach a Quick Hitch to the front adapter.
Quick hitch to front adaptor... does that mean I could use my loader to lift a carryall or ballast box? 🤔
@@ecthelion1735 Yes, you could then lift any 3PH attachment. Some folks attach an iMatch to the adapter for more convenience.
Thx for this review. Have been using Artillian system for many years. Purchased the frame and short forks initially. Over the years, added grapple, and longer forks. Next up: stump bucket. Great product with equally terrific customer service. What’s nice is that it’s easily managed and stored by home owners with limited shed space. Those weight saving holes on the grapple make for easy handling. I cut some trees this summer, and stacked limbs/brush in nearby pile, then used grapple to pick up pile and carry into the back woods. Man, did that make the project so much easier and faster.
With regards to the trencher: If you could have put it to the very edge of the bracket, to the right or left, you would be able to see the edge of it and where it was at.
will this fit a 4701 kubota
its interesting... but its also VERY expensive.
Well built here in New England. No overseas stuff and its easy to tell by the metal, material and the welds.
not only very expensive but very heavy for compact and SCUT. When you have SSQA the required $700 mount plate is redundant and excess weight. I have this grapple and am selling it for the one from EA.
I don't get why a few of you are commenting about the "changeover times" or somebody stated "gimmick"??? It's not like your spending 3 hours changing over and 1/2 hour using the new setup! 10-15 minutes and your setup for the day or more! AND if you need to change the setup, what, another 10minutes and you have a new use. I think this modular approach is fantastic and very inovative. I can see myself setting this up with the Grapple/Rake/Grapple from day one and change it over to pallet forks when I need to. Perfect! It will take very little room when I'm not using it.
Nice video. I love my Artillian modular system
Great video neil! I gave you a shout out in my last video! Where you tested the loader lift capacity on a Kubota bx with your load cell! Keep ‘em comin 👍🏻
That's a great video you did. I was planning on doing one on the same concept.
@@MessicksEquip Thanks Neil!
Excellent! Love all your videos. I’m going to consider this product after watching
💥 Hi Neil! Glad I caught the premiere. 👍
I started it, and got a phone call and had to run off and missed it myself.
The holes are not just weight saving but believe it or not some of those wholes add strength. So if you ever wondered why there are big round holes in a crane boom well it's not for weight reductions.
I believe you, in this context it's advertised as weight saving
That graphite type coating is called Slip Plate. It gets used a lot on car hauling trucks where the decks are being raised and lowered constantly and road grit gets into EVERYTHING.
The cost of this system needs to negate the cost of separate individual quick attach implements, as swip swapping these modular pieces is considerably mor difficult and time consuming than simply hitting a switch or throwing two levers. Without an attractive price point, its just modifying a problem that didnt exist, and doubling or tripling attachment points.
I’d rather have (and do) dedicated implements. That’s why you have a skid steer plate on the tractor. This thing is more of a gimmick.
It does not make sense for everyone. In some cases i think your right. You have to want it for its flexibility. I find myself moving modules for a specific application more than I would have guessed.
Agree with Bob here. That’s a sweet system but personally I find myself changing implements frequently and having to disassemble one implement to attach another seems time consuming. Changing to my forks takes me about as long as the ten seconds time lapses in the video! Ha ha! That said, I love your reviews and watch all your vids. Appreciate it Neil!
I bet that little bucket thing is more useful than it seems. I can think of plenty of things that it would probably be useful for
Nothing silly about saving your back! Great idea!
I’ve never used a treadle pedal, but that looks like a lot more footwork than my twin touch. Cool grapple though, I’ll b in the market for one someday
weld some hardware cloth over the holes to prevent sticks from getting caught
How about buy/ price..?. Mybe Online..!.
Get the shark teeth for that grapple. Well worth the upgrade, especially when moving large or lots of logs.
nice tip. though the teeth shown seemed pretty aggressive as is.
do you have a ballpark price to add that upgrade? and I assume it would be per grapple module?
@@CharlieArehart1 A set of the Grapple Fangs are $85
Looks heavy, gimmicky and overcomplicated.
Are these units only for relatively small tractors and loaders? I am looking at buying an MX5400/6000 which has a LA1065 loader. The ARtillian website doesn't offer any diverter valves for a loader bigger than a LA525, which makes me concerned (especially with the video commentary on all the material removed for lightness) how beefy these are and if they're intended for the size tractor I plan t6o acquire...
No, Artillian doesn't have grapples with a size tractor. We're big fans of land pride, or virnig.
Hey Old blind man here ...question ...why could you not mount an aftermarket backup camera on the loader and the screen near the cockpit now you can see what you are doing js
Certainly could, I've seen people do it before
Will these attachments work on a pallet fork attachment I already have on my Skidsteer
The holes for the locking keys would not be there. Its a great idea though.
Seems they're trying to make this some sort of a quick attach system instead of the much easier to use SSQA already on the tractor. In addition, the reason I bought a grapple was to let the tractor do the heavy lifting. There was a lot of heavy steel parts being swung around here. It just doesn't feel like an elegant solution, especially for the price. Finally, it looks like this is a pretty heavy unit, taking up valuable lift capacity on a compact tractor. This one just isn't for me i guess.
Hello Neil, I believe that the laser cutting is for marketing rather than weight saving. That's just my impression from looking at it. I agree with you 100%. There's no meaningful weight saved, I think they just tried to make it look meaner or more aggressive/tough I suppose.
One thing that might be worth checking is the rollback on forks at ground level. Many forks barely rollback at all at ground level. Many people complain about this.
Thank you for your in depth review on Artillian grapple system. It now solidifies in my mind which grapple I’ll be going with.
Ask Tim. He loves his
Grapple tops can be used with forks.
Frame has built in chain hooks. Start with forks can purchase each piece separately as needed. Somebody thought this out nicely.
I believe the floors weigh 40LB the clamp 90lb and the frame 100lbs.
Stump buckets are great for shallow post digging or for planting trees/shrubs as well.
Interesting concept but it seems like they basically just created a new attachment point past the original one. but instead of the loader doing the work to attach a new attachment I have to do it by hand.
These are component parts, manufactured to be interchangeable. The company saves money by making a family of parts that can be used in more than one application.
I wonder how much of a hit load capacity wise it would cause putting it ona BX series
It would tip it over before you had a load (of 30 pounds).
@@tripacer8259 Not exactly. It is sub-compact tractor but still can pick up some weight.
It'd be nice to be able to use the 3rd function hydraulics for a side-shift option when using the pallet forks.
Looks to me like the SSQA fails to provide the needed structure to support the attachments without rebuilding too much on the attachment. Perhaps a better design should be made, you basically have two QA systems here.
The same with the 3 point QA. Need a design that has a published std, and includes the pto output so you never touch the coupling.
I had a large bush (3ft dia base) to remove over the weekend and found I couldn't get a normal bucket in the space and couldn't pull it out. So I tried using my forks pushed together for digging. It worked quite well, and was able to pop that bush out in a few minutes. Since they are narrow, you can roll them and break the roots off the sides of the bush, and then stab under it to cut those.
Seems like a kit to add slide plates to carry more dirt might make a cheap excavator replacement. For shallow work.
I like the approach that the manufacturer did to make his product more useful then just one tool.
Odd point about that shovel attachment, you could put two on and line em up with the wheels to backfill with gravel. Likely the fastest way to make mixed flagstone wheel paths short of a ditchwitch.
Those are speed holes. It works faster with those holes..not to mention they look cool.
Can that emplacement fit on a L3240.
Yes, it is on the small side for it.
You mention the holes being put in there to save weight for the end-user, don't forget, it also saves weight for the manufacturer. If they make a unit that only weighs 15 lbs, and they cut 3 lbs by cutting those holes out, they saved 3lbs of steel that could be used to make the next one. I'm fairly sure, all that metal gets smelted back into the next tool. In an easier way to understand the context, 90lbs of steel can either be used make 5 tools that weigh 18lbs WITHOUT holes or 6 tools that weigh 15lbs WITH the holes. I'm sure it isn't quite that simple, but it does make sense.
I see your thinking, but I'd guess the additional laser time is more expensive than the value of the scrap steel.
Can you do a hay spear vs fork lift forks on picking up hay bales
I just found this after seeing the pressure video. Bought the front frame with 2x2 for ball mount and stump bucket. Excellent quality attachments. You didn't mention the chain slots on the frame.
I live in Indiana. Can I get forks and grapple for less than getting them from Artillian?
When your ready to order check. We maybe able to find a better freight rate.
"Simply switching thing" "while heavily breathing..." Pretty cool watching it. but in reality, nobody will change the things over and over. it could be the way for someone who dont know what he wants, but this is where a good seller comes in. you are in the market for a grapple bucket ? take it at least 12" narrower than your bucket. Remember, a multitool is NEVER as good as the real tool. I enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing
I have these attachments and while I do NOT swap them 3X a day, I have swapped them out during a day for various jobs. These ARE the REAL tools. The bucket is a mini hoe front bucket, get it level in the ground and run a ditch. I use it for sifting gravel as the input isnt wide enough for a full size bucket.
Neil, are you a salesman or an owner? You do a great job, I've watched a lot of your videos and I think the Grand L60 would be a tractor for me but, unfortunately I can't afford it. I am old and to heavy and the front end fast hook up implements look ideal. but pricing it on Kubota's web site once I add the implements it looks like about $80k can't talk my wife into thinking that is a good idea but if that changes I buy from you folks.
Thanks. I'm an owner, and I started in the business as a salesmen.
Looks like a really cool concept however seems like a lot of time to change things out plus taking more room on my trailer or truck. Much easier to just swap out the implement itself and go about my day. Especially from the cost of that system
The time is minimal, the many loose pieces can be annoying
Messick's I can see that I do like keeping things simple. As always though thank you very much for the video and all the information you put out to us
I could see the small trenching bucket being very useful for creating channels for water to drain away from woodland trail wet spots it you don’t have a backhoe.
Great suggestion. I need to try that.
Don't forget to grease your joint every 10 hours
How much of the weight reduction cutouts are a concession to shipping/handling rather than to performance?
none of it. Freight shipments don't vary that much with weight. Quite different than UPS\Fedex.
💥 That trenching bucket works great for removing tree stumps. For smaller stumps I prefer it over my backhoe. You’re more mobile which makes it faster.
He did actually say it's a stump bucket but you could use it for trenching if you wanted to.
Do u think the stump bucket would fit on a different pallet fork frame
I'm going to try one of these days, but when i asked I was told not.
I watched you remove that stump/tree up at your camp site and it did a fantastic job!
Hadn't heard of Artillian before, I like it.
Neil, if you already have a Kubota (on an L2501)3rd function kit installed, is there an additional splitter required to run the two grapple modules?
Yes. There is a manifold you add.
@@MessicksEquip what's the part number? Or could you do a short video showing the setup in a bit more detail?
Will this fit an LA463 loader? Thank you
Yes. Glad to talk you though the details. 800-222-3373, opt 1. ask for April or Nate
thanks, as always. I caught your mention of the price of the stump bucket. what about a ballpark (not a quote) for the system with the pieces you showed? Is that reasonable to ask here, or do you prefer folks each call in to get even such a ballpark price? I'd understand.
I don't do prices because they change and these videos are up for years. Happens you can price Artillian online.
@@MessicksEquip Yep, fair enough. Again, I only asked because you mentioned at least the one. For others, see the prices and modules here: www.artillian.com/product/sectional-grapple/ ...but buy them from Messick's if you can, of course.
We do SO appreciate what you do here.
Nice review Neil.
Hi
Neil you sold me on this and I'm going to be contacting you guys to order one (I'm in ny)
I'm sending my b2650 to get the 3rd function and remotes done, what size pioneer fittings does this grapple use so I can get the fittings right on my end?
The wining of a hydrostatic transmision drives me ctazy
Man that salesman can blether on - sell Ice to the eskimos ;-)_ but fair doos, I skipped on and he gets the job done ! looks like a good innovative system for small machines.
Nice job as usual. But I really wanted to see the grapple in action. Any video of that??? Thx!
More coming
Niel, I want this whole system demonstrated for my Grand L6060. Can you hook me up with third function stuff too?
Regards
Brad
Demo maybe tough, but we certainly can help
Messick's
Niel, I did not mean “demonstration unit” but all stuff needed to install on my L6060
Yea, piece of cake