I had no idea this was the 1st commercial airplane accident to exceed 100 fatalities, I didn't even know there was a collision above the Grand Canyon in the first place
Same here. I know about the helicopter crash there in 2001, I was there one week prior. They banned flying in the canyon after that. You can only fly over it now I think.
This accident lead to major changes in how ATC was used within the US as the CAB as it was then did not use anything but VFR in most cases and it had little direct communication with pilots, most orders for ATC went via the airline's dispatchers. The situation here was not helped by aircrew deviating to show off the Canyon to the passengers and you created a point where the pilots literally could not see the other aircraft approaching, Discovery did an hour long Mayday/Air Crash Investigation into it a few years back and that is worth tracking down.
Damn, that must be the worst way to get promoted! What a story. I hope she made her peace with the loss of her friends. It must have been hard. Thanks for sharing.
Ugh. Womentalk. "Make peace with their loss" "Find comfort" She didn't die in screams, fear, dismemberment and fire. Never sympathy for the horrifically fated in life, only the ones that have to "deal" with the loss.
Man, when you think about it from a standpoint of physical space, the odds of two planes randomly being in the exact same point at the exact same altitude at the exact same time is just mind-blowing.
Especially when there were far fewer planes in the sky - although if they were coming from the same place and going to see the same sights (the Grand Canyon) it's not all that surprising they might get there at the same time and crash.
Rumour has it that the women in green still haunts the site. When the cry went out 'hand up, who wants to see the Grand Canyon from the air? She was the only one who didn't raise her hand.'
@@faerie7dragon I would like to add that the absence of disturbing music and multiple repetition of movie scenes with actors with scared faces contributes greatly to the quality.
83 yr old Phoenix native. I remember this clearly. When the announcement was made on radio stations, I rode my bicycle to a friend's house to inform him. He was 17 years old and had a Private Pilot's license.
If ever you wonder about health and safety rules, just remember something tragic has usually happened that means these rules have been bought in…. Be safe x
Sometimes it is the opposite. A billionaire Train company owner will lobby a Republican (Trump) to repeal laws requiring Automatic Brakes on Trains carrying dangerous materials. Then the Train crashes.. and the Water and Food supply of half the nation is r(h)uined!
Almost like those pesky government regulations that politicians are always saying they are going slash to set the market free, almost like those regulations were put there for a reason. Oh well, now l think l might to go to town in my self driving Tesla because what could possibly go wrong.
I live at the South Rim of the Canyon, and it's honestly surprising how little attention is paid to this crash. There's a big memorial at the local cemetery, which the vast majority of tourists do not visit, and a smaller plaque, the one shown at the end, at Desert View. And, that's pretty much it. Then again, given how horrific this incident was, in virtually every sense, it's probably not too surprising that the Park Service doesn't want to promote knowledge of it. At least it spurred the creation of the FAA. Also, I actually hadn't known that radar wasn't used in civilian flights AT ALL before this happened. I know it was still a fairly new technology at the time, but still, the benefits seem pretty clear.
There were a couple civilian radars in place, but those were used at major airports to better track planes on arrival and departure. The CAA, predecessor to the FAA, had plans to make a civilian radar network across the USA but was having issues with getting the money and equipment to build it. Radars small enough to fit on planes were only declassified later that year, and radar beacons/transponders for planes weren't a thing until 1960. The CAA also didn't have the authority to mandate airline practices, which was a major part of the switch from the CAA to the FAA. The FAA had the budget to install radars and the authority to force company-based controllers to use them.
Well most state parks don't advertise the deaths on the grounds lol But yes, I was just there...I'm not sure why tourists would go to a local cemetery, so I dont feel too bad. A plaque at the observatory/gift shops would better helpful.
My wife and I visited the Grand canyon last year and I made sure to visit and get a picture of both memorials. We actually spent almost an hour at the cemetery just looking through all the graves, which, as you know, don't even have to do with the crash. One of my neighbors is a retired American Airlines captain who has visited various crash sites but he hasn't been to that one, and so I did all of the above with him in mind.
@David Lundquist most people don't visit cemeteries, even if there is some historical significance. When I visited Arlington in 1985, I was kind of surprised at how small the tour group was that was visiting that site. Considering one particular famous grave site is located there, and thousands of Americans are laid to rest at Arlington, I would've thought there be a couple hundred - I'm certain there was more than one bus load of tourists stopping there.
Air Disasters did an episode on this crash and like the video said, this led to changes. It seemed like back in those days, when things like this happened, it was almost downplayed. Even in 1979 with the Chicago plane crash, they went on like business as usual. They didn't get a memorial till years later, and the families had to get it started, same with the San Diego crash in 1978. Things have changed.
Yes but also no, shows like minutes before disaster and shit like that have to pan it the most they can so they can have 3 adds at least, adds were what keept tv alive.
My mom was nine when her parents, brother and her were scheduled to be on the United plane headed to Chicago. They were returning from being stationed overseas and decided to remain in California an extra day to sightsee. It was an incredibly lucky decision! To this day, my mom is still an anxious air traveler!
You never know... maybe them getting on the plane would have delayed or sped-up the flight by just seconds and enough for the collision to instead be a near-miss...
The way this story started off made me think of those word problems in math class... "One plane leaves LA at nine o'clock going two hundred miles an hour, and the other plane leaves Chicago at eight forty-five going four hundred miles an hour. How long does it take for them to have a midair collision above the Grand Canyon?"
I once saw a joke, if the train bound for nowhere and the midnight train going anywhere are both going 25 mph, do they collide before the gambler breaks even?
What’s screwed up is that 4 years later, TWA and United collided again in 1960, except over New York. There was initially a survivor, a 10 year old boy, but he died from his injuries later on in hospital.
At 9 yrs old I remember so well a teacher in the hallway gasping about a horrible plane crash Then that night the news stations were obsessed with the 10 yr old boy rescued by pedestrians from a snowbank in Brooklyn but he died
The crash that made radar mandatory and gave us the FAA. Quite a few tragedies have happened here in the Grand Canyon state, both infamous and sadly forgotten. To think this happened at the titular location.
I watched the Air Crash Investigation episode of this crash and it just blew my mind how different procedures and technology during flights were, I hadn’t ever considered it before. I was especially surprised they were allowed to deviate from flight paths in order to give more scenic views to passengers.
In 1998 a passenger plane and a small Cessna collided near France - the passenger pilot had been given permission to go down and do a 360 turn around the ship LaFrancaise - under a certain altitude they were not the responsibility of ATC; the pilot took responsibility for visual flight. At the same time, transponders for Cessnas were optional, and this one was turned off, so that small plane was invisible on radar, and at the angle the two planes approached each other. The captain was the pilot flying, while the first officer was monitoring instruments. Had it been opposite, the first officer may have been able to see the Cessna approaching. Due to the bank of the plane while circling, the captain on the left side was lower than the window on the right side, from which the cessna approached. This all took place in view of all the people on myriad boats clustered around the Francaise for a look.
I learned about this crash from an “Air Disasters” program that goes into detail about the investigation. Only six (I think) sets of human remains could be identified. The rest are buried in a mass grave. I’ve also seen mention of a hiker who, some decades ago, took a woman’s purse from the crash site. When he was called out on that, he claimed that he was going to see if the woman’s family wanted it.
When I visited the Grand Canyon 10 years ago, I bought a copy of 'Over The Edge' (one of your sources for this video). It is a fascinating read! The canyon has really seen it all - plane crashes, murders, flash floods, and not to mention all the people who have somehow fallen into it.
I have this book as well . So many people dying because of trying to get a better picture and fall . And so many other mistakes that could have been avoided.
Chester Arnold Crewse and his teenage daughter Hellen Colleen, my grandfather and aunt, were lost on TWA flight 2 that day. It was five years before I was born but I can remember seeing how this affected my father throughout the rest of his life.
My grandmother was supposed to be on that flight, she was a flight attendant for twa back in the 50's. She traded flights with her friend (they did that a lot in those days) and survived because of that. Because her name was on the roster she was mistaken for one of the lost for a bit.
On the 50th anniversary of this accident the Arizona Republic ran a story about this crash. What struck me the most about the article was that several families were so grief stricken that they moved from Chicago and Kansas City to Arizona to be closer to loved ones that perished in the crash.
Well, I have to concur with all of the commenters who always say on your other videos that although they’ve seen or read many other stories about the topic of said video that you include information that they’ve never seen before. I’ve seen this disaster covered by Mayday Air Disasters and others, but never heard or seen some of the details that you’ve covered here. It’s because of those previous comments about the details you include in your videos, that I decided not to pass over this one even though I’ve seen so many videos about this disaster before. I’m really glad that I took their comments to heart! Thank you for your excellent work in providing these extra details, and as others say, without the extra drama ☺️
RIP to the souls on board both aircraft. Good job to the pilots who found the wreckage, and good job to the aviation industry for making needed changes in response to this tragedy.
I knew this one from the Mayday episode, and one of the reasons I’m fascinated by air crash investigations is finding the why, and how they all made subsequent air travel safer. This particular crash was like the Tenerife crash of its time, leading to profound changes in practices across the board, and opening the way for modern air travel. RIP.
Great video! There's definitely not very much coverage of this event, so I'm glad to see this. My great-grandfather's 2nd wife and their two young daughters (both under ten) died on this flight heading home to Kansas City. My great-grandfather was an engineer at TWA. I never even knew this until my dad and I did a family tree project a couple years ago.
May all the victims rest in peace. Sad how people have to destroy everything they can, the scratch marks on the plaque (shown at the end) are a disgrace. Shame on the people who do such things.
I love the format of these. As soon as I hear that music I’m immediately pulled in. The narration is so compelling yet respectful. I also love how the lessons learned and improvements made are mentioned at the end. So many times with disaster retelling nobody mentions what happened after and that can be a bit distressing when you’re an anxious person. Knowing that laws or policies got changed or a memorial was made is comforting.
Hey Fascinating Horror, big fan of your channel and congrats on over 1 million subs!! I think you could make a really great video on the 1997 Jarrell f5 tornado. I don’t believe you’ve done a tornado disaster before, and this incident in particular is unlike so many. The destruction was on a whole other level, especially for this incident specifically. There was basically nothing left in its path, everything was destroyed down to the foundations. The wind patterns and direction of the tornado also made it so that this was basically a tornado anomaly, nothing like it had ever happened before
I've seen other videos on that tornado. The one still image is both amazing & terrifying. Known as The Dead Man Walking. Can't say I'd be able to keep my senses if I saw something like that barreling towards me.
Well, that's partially attributed to the fact that the tornado crawled along at only 10 mph, subjecting everything to winds or F5 intensity for minutes on end. It also moved opposite of the direction of its parent thunderstorm, meaning that rain and hail came after the tornado rather than before it.
It basically stayed in the same place for five minutes or so, and with F5 strength winds... Nothing was going to survived. There was one family who'd survived a previous tornado and built an underground storm shelter which saved their lives, and a mother and daughter who survived, God knows how, by sheltering in the bathtub, although they lost their husband/father because there wasn't enough room for him in it to. The photos of the 'Dead Man Walking' are some of the freakiest photos of a tornado that I have ever seen.
On the contrary, I'm quite surprised it did happen. I can't imagine how astronomical the chances are of accidentally hitting another object in the air.
Interesting to see how a tragic accident led to sweeping changes in air travel safety. Well done as always. A calm, respectful, just-the-facts presentation without sensationalism, loud graphics, or editing tricks. Also good to see how positive change can come out of a terrible situation.
I am an aviation enthusiast and I love airplanes ✈️. So this episode was double interesting to me. I watch 2 channels devoted exclusively to plane crashes with in depth break down of the causes.
Another accident I've never heard of all, though this one feels really weird to have been ignorant of given all of the fallout from it, including the FAA forming at all. I'm not a person who likes flying or really ever gets to travel at all, but it's still weird that this doesn't seem like one of those disasters in "common" knowledge anymore either despite not being that old. Huh. (This also reminded me that I still haven't gotten around to watcing your "Falls Into the Grand Canyon" video. I guess I'll do that now finally before I forget again.)
My mom, dad, older brother and I, who was 4 years old visited the Grand Canyon 2 months following the accident. I can still remember seeing the sun reflecting off the aluminum pieces still down in the canyon.
@@The_child-catcher Adjusted for inflation, the seats on either of these flights would have been around $1200 round trip. That's 50% more than a first class non-stop on United today. Since the aircraft were small, every seat was treated as first class in terms of both price and amenities. The trade-off of modern economy seats is that you get them cheaper but they're also significantly worse in terms of amenities.
I first heard about this accident during a family vacation to the Grand Canyon a few years ago. I asked the park rangers how often they had to fish idiots out of the canyon who cross the safety barriers and fall into the canyon. He told me they had to just last week. He pointed to a large book covering Grand Canyon accidents, this one was mentioned
I've said it before, and I'll repeat it, you are one of the most professional TH-cam historians I've subscribed to. I've found you to be the point but still respectful, calm but not droll, and always ensure to include only the facts (pictures and otherwise) you are aware of. Thank you for providing these stories and not hamming them up for effect.
I was on a flight where we went over The Grand Canyon. It's been my "bucket list" to visit via flyover + staying at one of the lodges. All so bittersweet enjoying a lovely view, then Poof! Glad changes were made.
Great job presenting this story. Ironic that in the early days of "luxurious" commercial air travel,no expense was spared for passenger comfort but the same expense didn't apply to the air traffic control systems. Change won't happen until a catastrophic event forces the creation of improved training and updated equipment;making bank is more important than spending a small chunk of said bank on providing the best,most cutting edge training and technology that'd increase potential profits. Profit over people is an ugly,consistent aspect of many industries to this very day. Thank you for shedding light on this forgotten tragedy and the lessons learned from it.
My father flew on the airlines in the late-fifties onward. He told stories of, airlines preparing steak and fillets for passengers. Smoking on board was the norm. You could go into the cockpit and talk to the pilots. The seats were spacious and comfortable.
I've heard this told from several channels, feel somewhat obligated to watch for the ppl lost. Everyone should be remembered by someone else and hopefully, many
I've been on a Mayday/plane crash binge recently so thank you for fueling this. I really love this channel. Even though I know this crash and story already, there was still no question to click and watch the video because the quality is sure to be great.
The idea that civil aviation did not use radar back then was surprising, but I was boggled by the concept of each airliner calling its own controller, if I understand him correctly! Whoa!
One of the overshadowed crashes despite being 100+ fatalities. I might have cemetery names mixed up but I believe about 29 unidentified bodies (from United Flight) are buried at Grand Canyon Pioneer, and I think about 66 in mass grave at Citizens Cemetery. And people are still going to take parts found today regardless if “protected” which is sad.
As a disaster fanatic, I have read, seen, viewed everything out there about this and most other air disasters. This one was so haunting because it was so avoidable. What happened changed so many things about flight though. Thank you for your take and work on this FH. Love this channel ❤️
I was just at the Grand Canyon a week ago. The placard is next to the Watchtower at Desert View Point, the very eastern edge of the South Rim of Grand Canyon National Park not far from the Eastern entrance. They also have placards detailing the accident and how it happened.
this was certainly a sad disaster to hear about, the fact that four years later history would repeat itself when another TWA constellation was hit by a United DC8 makes it even sadder
Back in the early 90s, I actually worked with two older ladies at the time who were witnesses to that accident. They both lived in the Park Slope section of Brooklyn where the UAL DC-8 hit. Even now, I can still remember their reactions when I asked them about it. I’m sure they have since passed on, as they would have to both be in their 90s now. RIP Dotty & Mildred.
I like how you give a detailed background history explanation before you get to the part of how the accident happened making it easy to understand the cause of the tragical accident and the things changed and new laws imposed after as result of the accident and to improve safety. Great informative, very straight to the point redacted and interesting videos.
As side note for you @ Fascinating Horror. This crash was a major factor several people chose to sail on board the Andrea Doria the very next month when it was struck by the Stockholm. They were terrified of the idea of flying transatlantic after hearing about this accident.
I have never heard of this crash and I watch a lot of aviation content. This is one of the worst possible place for a crash to occur since the terrain was so rugged. Great job as always.
The way the National Parks Service handled the clean up and memorial was probably the best they could do, in light of the remoteness of the site. It's good to see the plaque, as a memorial to the dead and a reminder or our shared history.
Wow, another AMAZING episode! I had never heard of this tragedy until a few weeks ago when Mayday started popping into my feed. It was a cable show in the early 2000s about airline disasters. Your episode more succinctly describes what happened tho!
Are those Mayday episodes still up on TH-cam? I miss watching the older episodes - Mayday and Seconds From Disaster both covered some really interesting things.
I was born here in phoenix in 1964 8 years later im almost 60 now and lived here in az all my life. I've never heard a single word about this till seeing this video. my dad had his pilots license and took me flying up by the canyon a few times when I was about 9 or 10
When people start getting nostalgic and sentimental about the good old days or the myth of simpler times, this would be a good example to trot out -- "Oh, you mean like this?".
Those people are a scourge on humanity. Thinking that life was better back in a time where people would have more children than they wanted because two were likely to die before the age of five from something antibiotics or a vaccine could fix. Whenever I see a comment by those dinosaurs it makes me wonder if humans have a future.
A few years ago I saw a show that talked all about this accident. A couple of weeks later, I'm an uber driver in Chicago, I picked a woman up from O'Hare airport to take her to her destination in the city. While driving this crash came up in our conversation. She said that at the time she was a little girl and her father was one of the people killed in that crash. Chilling.
Another Mid Air Collision is Worth the topic is Uberlingen Mid Air Disaster where Both Plane have install TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) and yet the other plane chose to follow the ATC than their own TCAS system in the end both planes collided resulted to tragedy most killed are children in the unfortunate turn of events one of the father of the victims hired a private investigator and killed the ATC that responsible that day(Peter Nielsen)
Ah, the see and be seen/VFR idea. Its still a thin and has been involve in other incidents. It's also worth pointing out that several sources do state that the DC-6 and Connie had design flaws on both aircrat contributed to the crash obstructing views out of the cockpits of either aircraft, which would also come up again as a possible factor in Aeromexico flight 498's crash.
Thanks for this one. I have always been fascinated by this crash. This and the Super Constellation crash that prompted them to change the design of their windows, cause me to have chills every time I see a Super Constellation. A weird cross-over I have with this crash (totally off topic), is when I think about how Amy and Rory (from Doctor Who)) got zapped back in time and how they would have had to avoid going on these planes. Obviously, they avoided them because they lived to ages 82 and 86, but if I was stuck back in time I would be always racking my brain trying to remember the significant plane crash dates.
2 things first your over a million subs now! Congrats! Second I love hearing different peoples descriptions of incidents like this I've seen the air crash investigation yours a few others
Thank you for being in my opinion one of the very best ones that share stories & may I add on top of your excellent manner in which you tell the story that your sharing. You are very respectful to all the parties involved. Its actually refreshing that there is not a lot of gore or miss lead information. Its very well done in my opinion. I'm very new to your channel & I am looking forward very much to more you share. Thank you again, sincerely Lulu. ❤️✌️🙏
Sadly, throughout history, it has been proven time and time again that the only reason air travel is now the safest form of travel in the world, is only so because of the lessons that came out of tragedies like this.
The Airline History Museum at the Charles Wheeler downtown KC airport has a Super Constellation ( The Connie) it is a beautiful aircraft, I have been to a couple airshows to see it fly and take a tour of it. A neighbor of mine is the son of the TWA pilot. From what I understand as part of a settlement TWA granted the son "employment" with the company for life.
"Permission to climb to 21,000 feet?" "Denied, there's another aircraft there." "Permission to climb to 1,000 feet above 20,000?" "Sure, that will probably be fine." I know ATC maybe didn't know where the clouds stopped but surely the pilot had an instrument that showed he was at the exact altitude he had been told not to fly at??
The pilot even KNEW there was another plane up there was and STILL didn't pay attention to his altitude!! That's the part that gets me ! He was like "these clouds are impeding visibility I'll tell dispatch I'll navigate via sight to get up to altitude where they told me another plane was" and 🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@anomboing Yeah like, often these things are nobody's fault, or deliberate (eg arson attacks on hotels etc) but this one just sounds like one person's negligence, unless I've missed some part of the story.
I can't shake the feeling the pilot deliberately did this, fully intending to climb to 21,000 feet regardless of the order. That he felt the chance of crashing was so low, and that Ground Control where just being far to cautious, that he could veto them easily with the right words. Something about that height, probably not the view but maybe head winds, was more alluring to him then the risk he put everyone into.... Cause there is no way he couldn't have seen he was at 21,000 feet, the same altitude he was specifically denied prior.
If no ship like the Titanic had ever sunk before why would anyone think it could? Same thing with this pilot, large aircraft can't crash into one another because it had never happened before. simple false confidence.
Most of my other favorite true crime/disaster youtubers' videos have become so bloated over the years, ballooning to 30-50 minutes. I'm glad your videos have remained all killer, no filler.
I've been waiting for someone to cover this. Mayday air disasters did an episode on it a while ago, but their videos are... Something. This is such a wild accident to think about because its hard to imagine they would not use better tracking, even then. I suppose its another example of the road of safety being paved with blood
I grew up hearing about this story from my parents. My mom used to take that route for business every month before I was born. She knew the flight crew well on the United plane and had flown with them earlier that week.
On a break at work and don’t have time to type out anything detailed, but I just want to say you’re videos are really top notch and I love watching them!
I had no idea this was the 1st commercial airplane accident to exceed 100 fatalities, I didn't even know there was a collision above the Grand Canyon in the first place
The chasm beckons, like a siren singing
Same here. I know about the helicopter crash there in 2001, I was there one week prior. They banned flying in the canyon after that. You can only fly over it now I think.
This accident lead to major changes in how ATC was used within the US as the CAB as it was then did not use anything but VFR in most cases and it had little direct communication with pilots, most orders for ATC went via the airline's dispatchers.
The situation here was not helped by aircrew deviating to show off the Canyon to the passengers and you created a point where the pilots literally could not see the other aircraft approaching, Discovery did an hour long Mayday/Air Crash Investigation into it a few years back and that is worth tracking down.
@@tehjamerzIs that from a song or poem?
Same here. Hopefully the passengers and crew only had a short time of panic.
In 1956 my aunt was a TWA Stewardess in Los Angeles - and felt badly that she gained job seniority because her co-workers were lost on that flight.
Damn, that must be the worst way to get promoted! What a story. I hope she made her peace with the loss of her friends. It must have been hard. Thanks for sharing.
Wow. I hope she was able to find comfort in having been given another chance at life and didn’t feel a lot of regret and remorse about it.
@@saragrant9749 have I seen you in the Fatal Motorsport channel before?
Is she still alive?
Ugh.
Womentalk. "Make peace with their loss" "Find comfort"
She didn't die in screams, fear, dismemberment and fire. Never sympathy for the horrifically fated in life, only the ones that have to "deal" with the loss.
Man, when you think about it from a standpoint of physical space, the odds of two planes randomly being in the exact same point at the exact same altitude at the exact same time is just mind-blowing.
Especially when there were far fewer planes in the sky - although if they were coming from the same place and going to see the same sights (the Grand Canyon) it's not all that surprising they might get there at the same time and crash.
Rumour has it that the women in green still haunts the site. When the cry went out 'hand up, who wants to see the Grand Canyon from the air? She was the only one who didn't raise her hand.'
@@KebabMusicLtd Is that an actual legend?
@@KebabMusicLtd That is literally impossible as there were no survivors and that would not have been broadcast on the radio.
Not really, their flight plans were both from LA and the Grand Canyon is a tourist attraction. It's more amazing this did not happen sooner.
These videos are extremely well done. Well written, researched, and narrated. No superfluous gore, just top tier story telling.
I often find his clean narrative more chilling when he says there were no survivors in acccidents like this.
@@faerie7dragon
I would like to add that the absence of disturbing music and multiple repetition of movie scenes with actors with scared faces contributes greatly to the quality.
That’s why I consider this channel to be one the best finds during lockdown.
I also love that they’re short and to the point. 10/10
theyre not well done. often times if theres videos of the incident he doesnt even mention it. he also often leaves out a lot of details
83 yr old Phoenix native. I remember this clearly. When the announcement was made on radio stations, I rode my bicycle to a friend's house to inform him. He was 17 years old and had a Private Pilot's license.
If ever you wonder about health and safety rules, just remember something tragic has usually happened that means these rules have been bought in…. Be safe x
"Safety rules are written in blood."
Sometimes it is the opposite. A billionaire Train company owner will lobby a Republican (Trump) to repeal laws requiring Automatic Brakes on Trains carrying dangerous materials. Then the Train crashes.. and the Water and Food supply of half the nation is r(h)uined!
Like seat belts
Almost like those pesky government regulations that politicians are always saying they are going slash to set the market free, almost like those regulations were put there for a reason. Oh well, now l think l might to go to town in my self driving Tesla because what could possibly go wrong.
True! We never learn, many people have to die before health and safety are a concern!
I live at the South Rim of the Canyon, and it's honestly surprising how little attention is paid to this crash. There's a big memorial at the local cemetery, which the vast majority of tourists do not visit, and a smaller plaque, the one shown at the end, at Desert View. And, that's pretty much it. Then again, given how horrific this incident was, in virtually every sense, it's probably not too surprising that the Park Service doesn't want to promote knowledge of it. At least it spurred the creation of the FAA. Also, I actually hadn't known that radar wasn't used in civilian flights AT ALL before this happened. I know it was still a fairly new technology at the time, but still, the benefits seem pretty clear.
There were a couple civilian radars in place, but those were used at major airports to better track planes on arrival and departure. The CAA, predecessor to the FAA, had plans to make a civilian radar network across the USA but was having issues with getting the money and equipment to build it. Radars small enough to fit on planes were only declassified later that year, and radar beacons/transponders for planes weren't a thing until 1960. The CAA also didn't have the authority to mandate airline practices, which was a major part of the switch from the CAA to the FAA. The FAA had the budget to install radars and the authority to force company-based controllers to use them.
Well most state parks don't advertise the deaths on the grounds lol
But yes, I was just there...I'm not sure why tourists would go to a local cemetery, so I dont feel too bad.
A plaque at the observatory/gift shops would better helpful.
My wife and I visited the Grand canyon last year and I made sure to visit and get a picture of both memorials. We actually spent almost an hour at the cemetery just looking through all the graves, which, as you know, don't even have to do with the crash. One of my neighbors is a retired American Airlines captain who has visited various crash sites but he hasn't been to that one, and so I did all of the above with him in mind.
@David Lundquist most people don't visit cemeteries, even if there is some historical significance.
When I visited Arlington in 1985, I was kind of surprised at how small the tour group was that was visiting that site. Considering one particular famous grave site is located there, and thousands of Americans are laid to rest at Arlington, I would've thought there be a couple hundred - I'm certain there was more than one bus load of tourists stopping there.
Air Disasters did an episode on this crash and like the video said, this led to changes. It seemed like back in those days, when things like this happened, it was almost downplayed. Even in 1979 with the Chicago plane crash, they went on like business as usual. They didn't get a memorial till years later, and the families had to get it started, same with the San Diego crash in 1978. Things have changed.
The way you pack so much detail into such a short video is a lesson to documentary-makers everywhere.
It's really great!
Yes but also no, shows like minutes before disaster and shit like that have to pan it the most they can so they can have 3 adds at least, adds were what keept tv alive.
Totally agree
My mom was nine when her parents, brother and her were scheduled to be on the United plane headed to Chicago. They were returning from being stationed overseas and decided to remain in California an extra day to sightsee. It was an incredibly lucky decision! To this day, my mom is still an anxious air traveler!
You never know... maybe them getting on the plane would have delayed or sped-up the flight by just seconds and enough for the collision to instead be a near-miss...
@@mattakins3557 Yep. This.
They had an incredibly lucky escape
They sure were lucky!
Amazing to hear the human stories from these tragedies from the other side of the world its the beauty of the internet.
The way this story started off made me think of those word problems in math class...
"One plane leaves LA at nine o'clock going two hundred miles an hour, and the other plane leaves Chicago at eight forty-five going four hundred miles an hour. How long does it take for them to have a midair collision above the Grand Canyon?"
:)
I once saw a joke, if the train bound for nowhere and the midnight train going anywhere are both going 25 mph, do they collide before the gambler breaks even?
Funny, I guess. Now, could you go read my comment?
Oof. I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
I used to think this kind of math question is stupid. Not anymore
What’s screwed up is that 4 years later, TWA and United collided again in 1960, except over New York. There was initially a survivor, a 10 year old boy, but he died from his injuries later on in hospital.
At 9 yrs old I remember so well a teacher in the hallway gasping about a horrible plane crash
Then that night the news stations were obsessed with the 10 yr old boy rescued by pedestrians from a snowbank in Brooklyn but he died
The crash that made radar mandatory and gave us the FAA. Quite a few tragedies have happened here in the Grand Canyon state, both infamous and sadly forgotten. To think this happened at the titular location.
And with it, the FAA was given control over both civilian AND military traffic.
I watched the Air Crash Investigation episode of this crash and it just blew my mind how different procedures and technology during flights were, I hadn’t ever considered it before. I was especially surprised they were allowed to deviate from flight paths in order to give more scenic views to passengers.
In 1998 a passenger plane and a small Cessna collided near France - the passenger pilot had been given permission to go down and do a 360 turn around the ship LaFrancaise - under a certain altitude they were not the responsibility of ATC; the pilot took responsibility for visual flight. At the same time, transponders for Cessnas were optional, and this one was turned off, so that small plane was invisible on radar, and at the angle the two planes approached each other. The captain was the pilot flying, while the first officer was monitoring instruments. Had it been opposite, the first officer may have been able to see the Cessna approaching. Due to the bank of the plane while circling, the captain on the left side was lower than the window on the right side, from which the cessna approached. This all took place in view of all the people on myriad boats clustered around the Francaise for a look.
I learned about this crash from an “Air Disasters” program that goes into detail about the investigation.
Only six (I think) sets of human remains could be identified. The rest are buried in a mass grave.
I’ve also seen mention of a hiker who, some decades ago, took a woman’s purse from the crash site. When he was called out on that, he claimed that he was going to see if the woman’s family wanted it.
In response to the 2nd portion of your post: 😞🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀
My response to the last part: that person is suspicious af.
A relative of mine was in this crash. Thank you for covering it and its importance in aviation safety.
When I visited the Grand Canyon 10 years ago, I bought a copy of 'Over The Edge' (one of your sources for this video). It is a fascinating read! The canyon has really seen it all - plane crashes, murders, flash floods, and not to mention all the people who have somehow fallen into it.
I have this book as well .
So many people dying because of trying to get a better picture and fall .
And so many other mistakes that could have been avoided.
I would guarantee the falls have escalated since selfies have become a thing 😂 crazy
Chester Arnold Crewse and his teenage daughter Hellen Colleen, my grandfather and aunt, were lost on TWA flight 2 that day. It was five years before I was born but I can remember seeing how this affected my father throughout the rest of his life.
I know that this may sound too lighthearted for what actually happened, but by any chance did this tagefy make your dad afraid of flying?
My grandmother was supposed to be on that flight, she was a flight attendant for twa back in the 50's. She traded flights with her friend (they did that a lot in those days) and survived because of that. Because her name was on the roster she was mistaken for one of the lost for a bit.
Ah, but if she HAD been on the flight, this might not have happened at all. You know, Butterfly Effect and what not.
What flight? There was 2 flights ✈️ ✈️ ah smell shite 💩
That must be mind-blowing!
Attendants trading flights is still common practice to this day.
On the 50th anniversary of this accident the Arizona Republic ran a story about this crash. What struck me the most about the article was that several families were so grief stricken that they moved from Chicago and Kansas City to Arizona to be closer to loved ones that perished in the crash.
Well, I have to concur with all of the commenters who always say on your other videos that although they’ve seen or read many other stories about the topic of said video that you include information that they’ve never seen before.
I’ve seen this disaster covered by Mayday Air Disasters and others, but never heard or seen some of the details that you’ve covered here.
It’s because of those previous comments about the details you include in your videos, that I decided not to pass over this one even though I’ve seen so many videos about this disaster before.
I’m really glad that I took their comments to heart! Thank you for your excellent work in providing these extra details, and as others say, without the extra drama ☺️
RIP to the souls on board both aircraft. Good job to the pilots who found the wreckage, and good job to the aviation industry for making needed changes in response to this tragedy.
I knew this one from the Mayday episode, and one of the reasons I’m fascinated by air crash investigations is finding the why, and how they all made subsequent air travel safer. This particular crash was like the Tenerife crash of its time, leading to profound changes in practices across the board, and opening the way for modern air travel. RIP.
Great video! There's definitely not very much coverage of this event, so I'm glad to see this. My great-grandfather's 2nd wife and their two young daughters (both under ten) died on this flight heading home to Kansas City. My great-grandfather was an engineer at TWA. I never even knew this until my dad and I did a family tree project a couple years ago.
May all the victims rest in peace. Sad how people have to destroy everything they can, the scratch marks on the plaque (shown at the end) are a disgrace. Shame on the people who do such things.
We don't know how those scratches occurred. It could have been something else, who knows?
Rhe odds of this collision are nearly incalculable. All the space in the sky,and so few flights in the air back then. Stunning
I love the format of these. As soon as I hear that music I’m immediately pulled in. The narration is so compelling yet respectful. I also love how the lessons learned and improvements made are mentioned at the end. So many times with disaster retelling nobody mentions what happened after and that can be a bit distressing when you’re an anxious person. Knowing that laws or policies got changed or a memorial was made is comforting.
Ah, nothing like waking up to a fresh disaster video. Good morning! ☕️
Yes, corpse fresh
Midnight before bed bonus here in nz.
It may sound silly, but these disaster videos calm me down when I have panic attacks. Especially nuclear disasters.
nothing like this video on your way to the airport 😅
Good morning from canada mutha fuckaaa!!!!
My Grandpa told me this story and I didn't believe it at first. Boggles the mind
Hey Fascinating Horror, big fan of your channel and congrats on over 1 million subs!!
I think you could make a really great video on the 1997 Jarrell f5 tornado. I don’t believe you’ve done a tornado disaster before, and this incident in particular is unlike so many. The destruction was on a whole other level, especially for this incident specifically. There was basically nothing left in its path, everything was destroyed down to the foundations. The wind patterns and direction of the tornado also made it so that this was basically a tornado anomaly, nothing like it had ever happened before
I've seen other videos on that tornado. The one still image is both amazing & terrifying. Known as The Dead Man Walking. Can't say I'd be able to keep my senses if I saw something like that barreling towards me.
Well, that's partially attributed to the fact that the tornado crawled along at only 10 mph, subjecting everything to winds or F5 intensity for minutes on end. It also moved opposite of the direction of its parent thunderstorm, meaning that rain and hail came after the tornado rather than before it.
It basically stayed in the same place for five minutes or so, and with F5 strength winds... Nothing was going to survived. There was one family who'd survived a previous tornado and built an underground storm shelter which saved their lives, and a mother and daughter who survived, God knows how, by sheltering in the bathtub, although they lost their husband/father because there wasn't enough room for him in it to.
The photos of the 'Dead Man Walking' are some of the freakiest photos of a tornado that I have ever seen.
Try emailing him. He has an email posted in the description. He was courteous enough to respond to mine. :)
In what country would Jarrell be?
What's really shocking is that this didn't happen more often
On the contrary, I'm quite surprised it did happen. I can't imagine how astronomical the chances are of accidentally hitting another object in the air.
@@aloysiusdevadanderabercrombie8 Yeah, I'm with you. You'd have a better chance of winning Powerball. Twice.
@@aloysiusdevadanderabercrombie8 Right, like, honestly what are the odds? Especially considering they were aware of each other.
No in fact it was happening a lot around that time.
in 1960 two planes of the same airlines in this video collided above New York.
Interesting to see how a tragic accident led to sweeping changes in air travel safety.
Well done as always. A calm, respectful, just-the-facts presentation without sensationalism, loud graphics, or editing tricks. Also good to see how positive change can come out of a terrible situation.
I am an aviation enthusiast and I love airplanes ✈️. So this episode was double interesting to me. I watch 2 channels devoted exclusively to plane crashes with in depth break down of the causes.
disaster breakdown and mentour pilot?
Dan Gryder & Juan Brown if I had to hazard a guess…
Highly recommend green dot aviation if you’re looking for another!
Wow. No mention of Plainly Difficult! 😳
Mini Air Crash Investigations is a good channel for air disasters and near disasters, too
Another accident I've never heard of all, though this one feels really weird to have been ignorant of given all of the fallout from it, including the FAA forming at all. I'm not a person who likes flying or really ever gets to travel at all, but it's still weird that this doesn't seem like one of those disasters in "common" knowledge anymore either despite not being that old. Huh.
(This also reminded me that I still haven't gotten around to watcing your "Falls Into the Grand Canyon" video. I guess I'll do that now finally before I forget again.)
My mom, dad, older brother and I, who was 4 years old visited the Grand Canyon 2 months following the accident.
I can still remember seeing the sun reflecting off the aluminum pieces still down in the canyon.
Imagine air travel having decent customer service on the flights…
Flying was so incredibly expensive that passengers expected it.
@@neilgerace355 flying is still incredibly expensive yet we expect to be treated like garbage now days.
@telethea the end bringer It was far more expensive and more exclusive in those days.
@@The_child-catcher Since the arrival of jets, flying is immensely cheaper than it was then.
@@The_child-catcher Adjusted for inflation, the seats on either of these flights would have been around $1200 round trip. That's 50% more than a first class non-stop on United today. Since the aircraft were small, every seat was treated as first class in terms of both price and amenities. The trade-off of modern economy seats is that you get them cheaper but they're also significantly worse in terms of amenities.
I first heard about this accident during a family vacation to the Grand Canyon a few years ago. I asked the park rangers how often they had to fish idiots out of the canyon who cross the safety barriers and fall into the canyon. He told me they had to just last week. He pointed to a large book covering Grand Canyon accidents, this one was mentioned
Yep. BTW, according to that book aviation accidents are the leading cause of death in Grand Canyon National Park, even excluding this accident.
Yeah that book is pretty thick. When I went there were quite a few people leaning on one foot over the edge for photos. Absolute idiots.
One of the few channels that I click the "like" button for each video even before it starts.
I've said it before, and I'll repeat it, you are one of the most professional TH-cam historians I've subscribed to. I've found you to be the point but still respectful, calm but not droll, and always ensure to include only the facts (pictures and otherwise) you are aware of. Thank you for providing these stories and not hamming them up for effect.
I recommend Fascinating Horror's video on Isla Nublar and guarantee you'll enjoy it.
I hope he'll cover the Nakatomi Plaza Disaster some time.
I was on a flight where we went over The Grand Canyon. It's been my "bucket list" to visit via flyover + staying at one of the lodges. All so bittersweet enjoying a lovely view, then Poof! Glad changes were made.
Thanks for sharing these tragic stories, may they never be forgotten.
Great job presenting this story. Ironic that in the early days of "luxurious" commercial air travel,no expense was spared for passenger comfort but the same expense didn't apply to the air traffic control systems. Change won't happen until a catastrophic event forces the creation of improved training and updated equipment;making bank is more important than spending a small chunk of said bank on providing the best,most cutting edge training and technology that'd increase potential profits. Profit over people is an ugly,consistent aspect of many industries to this very day. Thank you for shedding light on this forgotten tragedy and the lessons learned from it.
This one was extremely interesting. Gives us a better view into how things used to be in aviation.
With so much sky up there, it still floors me that mid air collisions happen from time to time!
You have earned every one of those 1M subscribers. Great work as always.
My father flew on the airlines in the late-fifties onward. He told stories of, airlines preparing steak and fillets for passengers. Smoking on board was the norm. You could go into the cockpit and talk to the pilots. The seats were spacious and comfortable.
I've heard this told from several channels, feel somewhat obligated to watch for the ppl lost. Everyone should be remembered by someone else and hopefully, many
It always takes a fatal accident for someone to being in procedures that should have been in place from the beginning
It’s called tombstone legislation, and aviation is full of such instances.
Safety regs are pretty much always written in blood.
I've been on a Mayday/plane crash binge recently so thank you for fueling this.
I really love this channel. Even though I know this crash and story already, there was still no question to click and watch the video because the quality is sure to be great.
I’ve watched your videos for a while. I must say that the song you use really gives me the heebie-jeebies and idk why. Keep up the good work!
This shows you that you Never can tell ! Tell the people in your life you Love them !
The idea that civil aviation did not use radar back then was surprising, but I was boggled by the concept of each airliner calling its own controller, if I understand him correctly! Whoa!
It's always a good day for me when Fascinating Horror covers aviation accidents.
Same here!
One of the overshadowed crashes despite being 100+ fatalities. I might have cemetery names mixed up but I believe about 29 unidentified bodies (from United Flight) are buried at Grand Canyon Pioneer, and I think about 66 in mass grave at Citizens Cemetery.
And people are still going to take parts found today regardless if “protected” which is sad.
I really love your videos. Especially learning about historic events that nobody else really tells.
It's been a while since I watched one of these videos but now I'm on a binge - they are so well made!!
So many accidents that have made it a lot safer today but there will be more unfortunately...great coverage again 👌
As a disaster fanatic, I have read, seen, viewed everything out there about this and most other air disasters. This one was so haunting because it was so avoidable. What happened changed so many things about flight though. Thank you for your take and work on this FH. Love this channel ❤️
"Permission to ascend to 21,000 ft.?"
"Denied."
"Then, permission to fly 1,000' above cloud cover, which happens to be at 21,000 ft.?"
"...GRANTED!"
Just watched a Mayday episode about this crash. Very interesting, glad to see you covering it as well!
This really is a fascinating channel. One of my favorites for sure, we’ll done as well as very respectful. I love your style man.
I was just at the Grand Canyon a week ago. The placard is next to the Watchtower at Desert View Point, the very eastern edge of the South Rim of Grand Canyon National Park not far from the Eastern entrance. They also have placards detailing the accident and how it happened.
this was certainly a sad disaster to hear about, the fact that four years later history would repeat itself when another TWA constellation was hit by a United DC8 makes it even sadder
Back in the early 90s, I actually worked with two older ladies at the time who were witnesses to that accident. They both lived in the Park Slope section of Brooklyn where the UAL DC-8 hit. Even now, I can still remember their reactions when I asked them about it. I’m sure they have since passed on, as they would have to both be in their 90s now. RIP Dotty & Mildred.
I like how you give a detailed background history explanation before you get to the part of how the accident happened making it easy to understand the cause of the tragical accident and the things changed and new laws imposed after as result of the accident and to improve safety. Great informative, very straight to the point redacted and interesting videos.
As side note for you @ Fascinating Horror. This crash was a major factor several people chose to sail on board the Andrea Doria the very next month when it was struck by the Stockholm. They were terrified of the idea of flying transatlantic after hearing about this accident.
I have never heard of this crash and I watch a lot of aviation content. This is one of the worst possible place for a crash to occur since the terrain was so rugged. Great job as always.
The title alone combines at least two major fears into one.
The way the National Parks Service handled the clean up and memorial was probably the best they could do, in light of the remoteness of the site. It's good to see the plaque, as a memorial to the dead and a reminder or our shared history.
If you read this comment Mr Facinating Horror know you are a valued person
I love this channel so much your videos are so good!
Wow, another AMAZING episode! I had never heard of this tragedy until a few weeks ago when Mayday started popping into my feed. It was a cable show in the early 2000s about airline disasters. Your episode more succinctly describes what happened tho!
Are those Mayday episodes still up on TH-cam? I miss watching the older episodes - Mayday and Seconds From Disaster both covered some really interesting things.
@@Teverell The Mayday episodes are up, yeah. They're under the channel called "Wonder."
Mayday is Air Crash Investigation now! Wonder on TH-cam has the first 2 seasons, while Disney+ has ACI seasons
I was born here in phoenix in 1964 8 years later im almost 60 now and lived here in az all my life. I've never heard a single word about this till seeing this video. my dad had his pilots license and took me flying up by the canyon a few times when I was about 9 or 10
When people start getting nostalgic and sentimental about the good old days or the myth of simpler times, this would be a good example to trot out -- "Oh, you mean like this?".
Those people are a scourge on humanity. Thinking that life was better back in a time where people would have more children than they wanted because two were likely to die before the age of five from something antibiotics or a vaccine could fix. Whenever I see a comment by those dinosaurs it makes me wonder if humans have a future.
A few years ago I saw a show that talked all about this accident. A couple of weeks later, I'm an uber driver in Chicago, I picked a woman up from O'Hare airport to take her to her destination in the city. While driving this crash came up in our conversation. She said that at the time she was a little girl and her father was one of the people killed in that crash. Chilling.
Another Mid Air Collision is Worth the topic is Uberlingen Mid Air Disaster where Both Plane have install TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) and yet the other plane chose to follow the ATC than their own TCAS system in the end both planes collided resulted to tragedy most killed are children in the unfortunate turn of events one of the father of the victims hired a private investigator and killed the ATC that responsible that day(Peter Nielsen)
Just looked it up thats crazy!
You explained things simply and to the point.
Ah, the see and be seen/VFR idea. Its still a thin and has been involve in other incidents. It's also worth pointing out that several sources do state that the DC-6 and Connie had design flaws on both aircrat contributed to the crash obstructing views out of the cockpits of either aircraft, which would also come up again as a possible factor in Aeromexico flight 498's crash.
Thanks for this one. I have always been fascinated by this crash. This and the Super Constellation crash that prompted them to change the design of their windows, cause me to have chills every time I see a Super Constellation.
A weird cross-over I have with this crash (totally off topic), is when I think about how Amy and Rory (from Doctor Who)) got zapped back in time and how they would have had to avoid going on these planes. Obviously, they avoided them because they lived to ages 82 and 86, but if I was stuck back in time I would be always racking my brain trying to remember the significant plane crash dates.
2 things first your over a million subs now! Congrats! Second I love hearing different peoples descriptions of incidents like this I've seen the air crash investigation yours a few others
Your documentaries are literally the best. Cheers.
This channel makes my Tuesday mornings!
I couldn't imagine the horror of everyone! May they all rest in peace!
Aviation regulations are written in blood. Great overview of the accident, thank you FH!
Thank you for being in my opinion one of the very best ones that share stories & may I add on top of your excellent manner in which you tell the story that your sharing. You are very respectful to all the parties involved. Its actually refreshing that there is not a lot of gore or miss lead information. Its very well done in my opinion. I'm very new to your channel & I am looking forward very much to more you share. Thank you again, sincerely Lulu. ❤️✌️🙏
Sadly, throughout history, it has been proven time and time again that the only reason air travel is now the safest form of travel in the world, is only so because of the lessons that came out of tragedies like this.
The Airline History Museum at the Charles Wheeler downtown KC airport has a Super Constellation ( The Connie) it is a beautiful aircraft, I have been to a couple airshows to see it fly and take a tour of it. A neighbor of mine is the son of the TWA pilot. From what I understand as part of a settlement TWA granted the son "employment" with the company for life.
It flew over Nevada, MO, to dip its wings in salute to an old Connie pilot. Those engines sound like the end of the world coming.
You know if I have had a bad day at work working with the general public, watching your videos, make me feel better !!!!😁🇬🇧
I like that the release schedule is around my bedtime. Gives me something to listen to as I drift off to sleep.
It is unbelievably amazing how the investigators determined what happened in the 1950's with no black box, no radar, no video, no nothing. Kudos
This video fits right in my lunchbreak 😎
I remember going to the Grand Canyon and reading about this on a plaque. That's the scariest thing that I could ever imagine happening.
"Permission to climb to 21,000 feet?"
"Denied, there's another aircraft there."
"Permission to climb to 1,000 feet above 20,000?"
"Sure, that will probably be fine."
I know ATC maybe didn't know where the clouds stopped but surely the pilot had an instrument that showed he was at the exact altitude he had been told not to fly at??
The pilot even KNEW there was another plane up there was and STILL didn't pay attention to his altitude!! That's the part that gets me !
He was like "these clouds are impeding visibility I'll tell dispatch I'll navigate via sight to get up to altitude where they told me another plane was" and 🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@anomboing Yeah like, often these things are nobody's fault, or deliberate (eg arson attacks on hotels etc) but this one just sounds like one person's negligence, unless I've missed some part of the story.
I can't shake the feeling the pilot deliberately did this, fully intending to climb to 21,000 feet regardless of the order. That he felt the chance of crashing was so low, and that Ground Control where just being far to cautious, that he could veto them easily with the right words. Something about that height, probably not the view but maybe head winds, was more alluring to him then the risk he put everyone into....
Cause there is no way he couldn't have seen he was at 21,000 feet, the same altitude he was specifically denied prior.
@@lostbutfreesoul It definitely has that feeling of bloody-minded stubbornness, doesn't it.
If no ship like the Titanic had ever sunk before why would anyone think it could? Same thing with this pilot, large aircraft can't crash into one another because it had never happened before. simple false confidence.
Most of my other favorite true crime/disaster youtubers' videos have become so bloated over the years, ballooning to 30-50 minutes. I'm glad your videos have remained all killer, no filler.
I've been waiting for someone to cover this. Mayday air disasters did an episode on it a while ago, but their videos are... Something. This is such a wild accident to think about because its hard to imagine they would not use better tracking, even then. I suppose its another example of the road of safety being paved with blood
I grew up hearing about this story from my parents. My mom used to take that route for business every month before I was born. She knew the flight crew well on the United plane and had flown with them earlier that week.
Oh sick, 2am upload. Made just for me
On a break at work and don’t have time to type out anything detailed, but I just want to say you’re videos are really top notch and I love watching them!
Watching those early crashes is fascinating - so much has changed since then
Such diligent and respectful work as always
just woke up to 8 inches of snow on the ground, I think I'll stay in bed and watch this