This video I discuss how the Orion 32 compares to the Quantum 4848 in my opinion. I have recently sold my Orion 32 and replaced it with the Quantum, 4848.
I just saw someone do a head to head between a Quantum 4848 and a UA X16 interface. If any at all, there wasn’t much difference as far as converter quality goes (The UA has fewer IO, but has plugins, and DSP, but I don’t know if that’s worth the extra $3,000).
Longtime subscriber here. I've learned a lot watching your production vids - thanks! I have a question about the newer Presonus interfaces. I'm curious if their lack of line inputs is an issue with connecting outboard mic pres. The standard thinking on this used to be that you wanted to avoid plugging XLR outputs into Neutrik inputs because they didn't completely bypass the mic-pre circuit. Some manufacturers advised turning gain all the way down and that "supposedly" bypassed the circuit, but the argument was debated quite a lot on the forums. For that reason, users with a lot of outboard gear generally stuck with interfaces that had line inputs... I haven't kept up, maybe the newer stuff is designed differently (or the Neutrik controversy has been proven to be unfounded)...? I see you have an API lunchbox, so you are probably getting around the analog connectivity "issue", but what would you do to connect an older mic pre? Bottom line: Does a TRS cable plugged into a Neutrik jack really allow bypass of the mic pre circuit?
You would need to check the manual to be sure it does but to my knowledge most audio interfaces bypass the pres. This is from the Presonus Quamtum manual. When an XLR is connected, the signal is routed to the preamp. When a TRS is connected, the preamp is bypassed and the input signal is sent directly to the ADC. When nothing is connected, Channels 1 and 2 on Quantum will default to line inputs, Channel 3-8 will default to mic
Hi. Thank you for overview. I like philosophy of Quantum 4848: to use DAW mainly as a recorder/player of line level signal and let the availability of semi-analgue regime. I have few questions related to Quantum 4848 and Studio One: 1) Is it possible to change color of levelmeter LEDs on front panel of Quantum 4848? I think it is green-yellow-red. I am colorblind and these are the same for me :(. I saw on some digital mixer (don't remember the brand nor model), that color of metering/peaking LEDs could be changed for example to blue-white-red. That combination could be perfect for my eyes.. Is it possible also here? 2) Will this unit work with Intel NUC (Thunderbolt version of course) and Windows 7? Or Windows 10 (and later) is needed? 3) Does it really work out 32 channels in and 32 channels out simultaneously at the same time at 192kHz/24bits each? 3) Is it possible to control Studio One through web browser and local network (thin client)? At least project file management and basic recording functions like start/stop recording, arming tracks, punching in/out, using marks, display of record time? Thank you in advance for any reply :) Keep on rockin in the free world :)
I was thinking about the 4848 but I noticed that it was discontinued and I saw some people with connection problems in universal control. Do you have experienced any issue with the 4848? People in presonus FAQ are having problems with Apple M1 processors, and the company don’t answer anything about it…
Never had an issue with my 4848, didn't realize it was discontinued. I highly recommend one. 48x48 in one rack, I don't think anyone else is doing that. I'll have a video coming soon showing my whole interface setup
Hmm, nice, could I text you on Instagram or another app? I would be glad if you answer me some questions.., It’s hard to get these equipment here in Brazil so I need to be sure… Sorry if I’m being boring!
Have you looked into aftermarket mods available through black lion audio? It might narrow any quality issues between the two. I think Black Lion Audio can mod it for about $500, but going by their website, the quantum has pretty good sound to start with.
@@TheAudioCzar you could get one of your quantum’s modded to test if you can hear the difference (Instead of sending them both in at the same time). But I get it; it would suck to spend the money for nothing. After all, there’s perfectly good 500 series gear you could get with that money. lol
I bought and tested the Quantum 2626 from Presonus. I'm sorry to say that I'm sending it back to the seller because the sound reproduction is bad. Too many high frequencies, blurred, indistinct bass. My Antelope Discrete4 Thunderbolt3 sound card beats it to the punch. Bass is present and clarity is not aggressive in the high frequencies. The quantum's pseudo routing software is an aberration or a bad joke. I could not mix with this equipment. I understand your decision on the external hardware but not on the sound reproduction. Thanks for the review.
What is your experience with latency on the orion? I use firewire still but run into audio artifacts on large projects(32+ tracks) despite having a really powerful computer(i7, 32gb ram, editing on ssd, etc.) so overdubbing with vsts on other tracks tends to cause problems. Since I am completely ITB it makes it difficult when I need midi drums and guitar emulation running while tracking.
good morning I saw your video on presonus I liked it so I bought, but I can't connect with my mac retina 2020 with thunderbolt 3, which I adapted with the thunderbolt of the presonus 4848 I tried several thunderbolt cables but it works couldn't you help me? what thunderbolt cable did you use
@@TheAudioCzar could you tell me which Thunderbolt adapter? I have Thunderbolt 3(usb-c) to Thunderbolt 2, but it doesn't work can you tell me which one you have
Hi , here is a dumb question, I want to buy myself a 4848, but I need to know does the package includes the 32 in and out cables that need to be plugged into the mixing console or patch panel.
I'm pleased with amount of inputs outputs the pre sonus got but I would take more of chance with UAD or Antelope. I need my da and ad converter and Free plug ins that that my UAD comes with like the dream verb.
@@ezrashanti my Orion 32 went down, they repair company for the US wanted to charge me $1000 to fix it, then they later stated they misdiagnosed it and it would be $500. The high repair cost just didn't sit right me. Which is I sold mine and got the 4848.
@@TheAudioCzar no, just brand. coming from API racks and all the other nice names you have in rack....for me, presonus is a step down. to each they own though...
@@gruponemesis I wish "creative" artists would stop looking at just the name of the gear and just use what works for them, we are sound brainwashed by brands that even legends in the industry will use gear that we are "supposed" to use, Like Yamaha NS10's that are home hifi speakers. We are supposed to be creative but most are just sheep
@@MisticDW great argument Mistic. i have often found people that make these comments have never used or owned hi end gear. there is a reason your music doesnt sound like commercial music. i dont care what producer said he in the boxed his stuff, eventually his stuff went through a channel chain worth 10's of thousands of dollars. cheers
I just saw someone do a head to head between a Quantum 4848 and a UA X16 interface. If any at all, there wasn’t much difference as far as converter quality goes (The UA has fewer IO, but has plugins, and DSP, but I don’t know if that’s worth the extra $3,000).
Czar, what is your opinion sound wise between an orion 32, apollo 16x, lynx 16n, or a RME converter ?
Longtime subscriber here. I've learned a lot watching your production vids - thanks! I have a question about the newer Presonus interfaces. I'm curious if their lack of line inputs is an issue with connecting outboard mic pres. The standard thinking on this used to be that you wanted to avoid plugging XLR outputs into Neutrik inputs because they didn't completely bypass the mic-pre circuit. Some manufacturers advised turning gain all the way down and that "supposedly" bypassed the circuit, but the argument was debated quite a lot on the forums. For that reason, users with a lot of outboard gear generally stuck with interfaces that had line inputs... I haven't kept up, maybe the newer stuff is designed differently (or the Neutrik controversy has been proven to be unfounded)...? I see you have an API lunchbox, so you are probably getting around the analog connectivity "issue", but what would you do to connect an older mic pre? Bottom line: Does a TRS cable plugged into a Neutrik jack really allow bypass of the mic pre circuit?
You would need to check the manual to be sure it does but to my knowledge most audio interfaces bypass the pres. This is from the Presonus Quamtum manual.
When an XLR is connected, the signal is routed to the preamp.
When a TRS is connected, the preamp is bypassed and the input signal is sent directly
to the ADC. When nothing is connected, Channels 1 and 2 on Quantum will default
to line inputs, Channel 3-8 will default to mic
Hi. Thank you for overview. I like philosophy of Quantum 4848: to use DAW mainly as a recorder/player of line level signal and let the availability of semi-analgue regime.
I have few questions related to Quantum 4848 and Studio One:
1) Is it possible to change color of levelmeter LEDs on front panel of Quantum 4848? I think it is green-yellow-red. I am colorblind and these are the same for me :(. I saw on some digital mixer (don't remember the brand nor model), that color of metering/peaking LEDs could be changed for example to blue-white-red. That combination could be perfect for my eyes.. Is it possible also here?
2) Will this unit work with Intel NUC (Thunderbolt version of course) and Windows 7? Or Windows 10 (and later) is needed?
3) Does it really work out 32 channels in and 32 channels out simultaneously at the same time at 192kHz/24bits each?
3) Is it possible to control Studio One through web browser and local network (thin client)? At least project file management and basic recording functions like start/stop recording, arming tracks, punching in/out, using marks, display of record time?
Thank you in advance for any reply :) Keep on rockin in the free world :)
Good info, Thanks
I was thinking about the 4848 but I noticed that it was discontinued and I saw some people with connection problems in universal control. Do you have experienced any issue with the 4848?
People in presonus FAQ are having problems with Apple M1 processors, and the company don’t answer anything about it…
Never had an issue with my 4848, didn't realize it was discontinued. I highly recommend one. 48x48 in one rack, I don't think anyone else is doing that. I'll have a video coming soon showing my whole interface setup
Hmm, nice, could I text you on Instagram or another app? I would be glad if you answer me some questions.., It’s hard to get these equipment here in Brazil so I need to be sure…
Sorry if I’m being boring!
@@felipemaciel2481 Its not discontinued. You must be talking about the Quantum 2
Thanks for your video! Which of these have preamps?
Neither one has preamps
Off the topic which studio monitors in your opinion is better Yahama HS 80 Or Presonus Septers 6
Sceptre's. I've never been impressed by Yamaha monitors
Have you looked into aftermarket mods available through black lion audio? It might narrow any quality issues between the two. I think Black Lion Audio can mod it for about $500, but going by their website, the quantum has pretty good sound to start with.
I was hoping to get it sooner, but my wife just ordered me a quantum 4848, so I’m waiting for that to arrive.
I'm scared I won't hear a difference with interface mods. But I did notice the quantum scored well on their tests.
@@TheAudioCzar you could get one of your quantum’s modded to test if you can hear the difference (Instead of sending them both in at the same time). But I get it; it would suck to spend the money for nothing. After all, there’s perfectly good 500 series gear you could get with that money. lol
I bought and tested the Quantum 2626 from Presonus. I'm sorry to say that I'm sending it back to the seller because the sound reproduction is bad. Too many high frequencies, blurred, indistinct bass.
My Antelope Discrete4 Thunderbolt3 sound card beats it to the punch. Bass is present and clarity is not aggressive in the high frequencies.
The quantum's pseudo routing software is an aberration or a bad joke.
I could not mix with this equipment.
I understand your decision on the external hardware but not on the sound reproduction.
Thanks for the review.
2626 is not the same as their bigger brothers.
What is your experience with latency on the orion? I use firewire still but run into audio artifacts on large projects(32+ tracks) despite having a really powerful computer(i7, 32gb ram, editing on ssd, etc.) so overdubbing with vsts on other tracks tends to cause problems. Since I am completely ITB it makes it difficult when I need midi drums and guitar emulation running while tracking.
good morning I saw your video on presonus I liked it so I bought, but I can't connect with my mac retina 2020 with thunderbolt 3, which I adapted with the thunderbolt of the presonus 4848 I tried several thunderbolt cables but it works couldn't you help me? what thunderbolt cable did you use
I got a thunderbolt adapter from apple
@@TheAudioCzar could you tell me which Thunderbolt adapter?
I have Thunderbolt 3(usb-c) to Thunderbolt 2, but it doesn't work can you tell me which one you have
@@avnisalihu9470 i have thunderbolt to thunderbolt 3 adapter to connect quantum to my iMac
Do you use the fx in the Orion 32? and if so... What is your opinion?
The Orion 32 I had was the first one, so it had no FX, I've never used them before
@@TheAudioCzar ok thanks and great videos bro
En qué se diferencian sus convertidores? Qué convertidores son mejores, Quantum 48 48, o Orión 32 plus gracias😊
can you compare them like you did with pure 2 samples? thanks!!!
Hi , here is a dumb question, I want to buy myself a 4848, but I need to know does the package includes the 32 in and out cables that need to be plugged into the mixing console or patch panel.
No you'll have to purchase your own cables
Thank you
Hi bro, arent your Sceptre S6 supposed to be upside down?
Yes, I prefer them that way because the horns are closer leveled with my ears when I sit to mix
I'm pleased with amount of inputs outputs the pre sonus got but I would take more of chance with UAD or Antelope. I need my da and ad converter and Free plug ins that that my UAD comes with like the dream verb.
I've had a bad experience with antelope and UA just doesn't have enough I/O for me.
@@TheAudioCzar What were your bad experiences with Antelope? I currently have Antelope and have mixed feelings about them.
@@ezrashanti my Orion 32 went down, they repair company for the US wanted to charge me $1000 to fix it, then they later stated they misdiagnosed it and it would be $500. The high repair cost just didn't sit right me. Which is I sold mine and got the 4848.
@@TheAudioCzar I understand, thanks for the quick response!
honestly, dont know why you would downgrade. Never ever downgrade....that little rule has served me well in life.
much luck to you...
Why do you call it a downgrade? Because I said the Orion overall sounds better
@@TheAudioCzar no, just brand.
coming from API racks and all the other nice names you have in rack....for me, presonus is a step down.
to each they own though...
@@gruponemesis I wish "creative" artists would stop looking at just the name of the gear and just use what works for them, we are sound brainwashed by brands that even legends in the industry will use gear that we are "supposed" to use, Like Yamaha NS10's that are home hifi speakers. We are supposed to be creative but most are just sheep
@@MisticDW great argument Mistic. i have often found people that make these comments have never used or owned hi end gear. there is a reason your music doesnt sound like commercial music. i dont care what producer said he in the boxed his stuff, eventually his stuff went through a channel chain worth 10's of thousands of dollars.
cheers
The King cool thoughts. Enjoy your cooooooool-aid!
Orion is better