Haven’t commented before pal but find of these incredibly helpful and watch the vast majority of your videos - really appreciate your dedication to how much you throw out - keep it up!
GW: Drops a nuke of an update, completely changing the game in so many ways that most people can't comprehend it all at once everyone else: I'll just wait for Auspex Tactics to summarize it for me in like an hour
@@Whoknows21356 The points buffs/nerfs are not nearly enough to impact the armies who lost A.O.C. All that S5+ Ap-2, Dmg 2 weaponry every army can spam will just delete the struggling armies like SM. Not much point in taking an extra squad of troops when they are deleted twice as fast. Votann will be doubly hard to beat, Nids/Quins( Aledari in general)/CSM (particularly EC, BL) will still be top after this.
I'd really love an interview with the games team going over each and every change they made in detail to points. Some are fair and make sense, others are just harsh and unnecessary
Like tzeentch flamers and necron dinasty, and flyers, it looks like they had loads of choices to solve the problem and they choose the most destructive way
@@Happy-zg4zd interesting examples you pick, personally I think those were three reasonably decent changes. Flamers couldn't keep a 3++ Vs shooting and retain auto-hitting, it made countering them far too difficult, and the unit needed it's damage output reducing anyway. Necrons, the obsec dynasty stuff was always obnoxious, it was just clearly better than any other option and wasn't very enjoyable to play against. The flyer change does invalidate a few flyers (goodbye voidraven bombers), but anything that slaps down alpha strikes is good for the game.
@@samhunter1205 the flamer stuff was just too cost efficient, slap huge points costs and it could be solved without removing the one ability flamers are known for, necron obsec could have been, you cant get pre game move when picking obsec, not just yeeting the code, and flyers change fucked everyone that didnt abuse them
@@Happy-zg4zd wrong on all counts. No unit should have a 3++ Vs shooting and an overwatch attack that powerful, it is too punishing to certain factions and does not leave enough room for counterplay. Either the save had to be worsened or the auto-hitting had to go. For Necrons, the obsec crap combined with ridiculous secondaries was holding the faction back, you couldn't reduce the cost of units like warriors while that existed. For flyers, they are inherently abusive - they could reach anywhere on the board turn 1, alpha strikes are cancer to the game and need to go. This change, combined with free strategic reserves actually makes flyers less swingy. They can't do dumb alpha strikes, but they have some in-built protection if you end up going second. Bombers lose out, but good riddance, they were too obnoxious anyway.
As someone who mains Tempetus Scions I hate how GW keeps screwing over my ability to run aircav just because Admech/Orks and now Tau/nids have OP flyers, it would have been more prudent to just nerf the aircraft units that were to strong than to basically kill aircraft as playable units.
your winged dudes were cheaper, faster, and slightly stronger than eldar fly shoot guys when they first came out. Just be glad you can still field them, because many night lords got completely neutered.
25:19 GW has a long history of costing chaos units this way. They typically cost more than their loyalist counterparts because they MIGHT get crazy good buffs. This is a large reason why CSM models have often been worse than their loyalist counterparts. As for the "why" of them costing the unit and not just the buffing model/powers... I've no clue.
CSM vehicles are better, loyalists didn't get the stat buffs. Is it worth it? I mean it makes the difference between them being viable or not, the point difference is worth it, yeah. You either have an effective barrage of upgraded lascannons or you have a big pile of whiff that cost you an 8th of your list just sitting there. It's just another example of why factions should not be 1 for 1 in points costs. They should be asymmetrically balanced because they are asymmetrical armies. Chaos space marines *should* be better than their loyalist counterparts, but they should also be less coordinated and hide behind chaff. Because they're egotistical schemers.
The pathetically low amount of point changes on necrons is just infuriating, they might win games, but the faction is just unfun to play normally. Your things are all more expensive then other armies better equivilants
@@fin4314 and they also nerfed the Secondaries, so it will be harder to win. but tbh i hate winning by relying on Secondaries. but yes Necrons need some weapon buffs.
Hitting terminators hurts every chaos marine subfaction, not just bile and children. They should have just hit the slaneesh keyword and the bile legion trait as they did, not decrease a 40% win rate army like iron warriors to 30%
Some of those tyranid changes seem very random and out of place. I get that GW has wanted tyranids knocked down a few (or a lot of) pegs ever since our codex release, but Hive guard, Trygon and OOE? Really!?! Why? Also the spore change is just clunky and annoying, should've been handled in a different way at the very least. Or a point drop, as 10 pts is just to high for them IMO.
Ugh. Thinking about getting back into 40k after not really playing since 8th. They just change so much so often, getting an army together seems like a nightmare.
@@davidgantenbein9362 Jepp, they are doing the Emperor's work in that regard. Begs the question why GW can't do that in the first place, and why they have to rely on a motley crew of youtubers to do their work for them.
@@spoonsrattling Core just means that half of your codex is useless, if a unit has the keyword you can stack numerous bonuses on it, if it doesn't then it's just a mediocre stats brick.
This has made a 3xReaper&3xTantalus Dark Technomancers build into a fun concept. Probably 30 incubi w/ Drazhar and some wracks to fill it out. And I will have CP to spare for once
Tyranid Warriors with dual boneswords and deathspitter - up from 30pts to 45pts. Yes I think they needed a small increase, and I agree getting rid of transhuman leviathan was a good move. However, I think 45pts is a very harsh increase. Rending claws or scything talon builds may come back in perhaps, because I don't think many will be fond of GWs plan of trying to make us have no choice but to run gaunt carpets 😑
I think the additional cost of weapons would work if warriors were 25pts again. The weapons should never have been free. Should be able to have a cheap weak warrior and a strong costly warrior like before.
@@JasonM69 Agreed. To make things worse, GW are now introducing the same "wargear is free" nonsense for many other factions and units. Why even bother with points then? Might as well just use Power Level. Honestly - a Devastator Marine with a Las Cannon now costs the same points as one with a Bolter. Ludicrous.
Why does GW hate Chaos so much? Their codex came out and performed middle of the pack and was fine. I get the change to Creations of Bile and the point increase for Abby, but terminators going up and no free gear, no AoC, and making war gear free except the tome is just stupid IMO. Mark of Slaanesh was a clear favorite for most units so that extra 5 points is what it is. CSM will just get blasted off the table now before they get to melee where they want to be.
How I'm feeling with Drukari we got a good codex in the start of the edition and have been paying for it since. I just hate my Talos/cronos remain very clunky to run without core and my haemonculus army just costs more for no reason. Our army was middling nowadays but still getting nerfs.
Regarding the wraithguard d-scythes, within the Craftworlds community it’s been said that they have more potential than you’d think, since 6s to wound do mortal wounds and they can make a lot of attacks. The synergy is that you fish for the 6 with doom and/or Ulthwe’s wound reroll, as well as strands of fate dice if you really want to push it. I’ve heard some people have had a lot of success with them at tournaments (though my personal experience has been that they’re inconsistent). Maybe GW is trying to prevent those strategies from being more commonly played
if you want mortals as craftworlds there are SOOOO many better ways of doing it without 45ppm for a terminator style model with a 3+ save and no invuln. Damage reduction and T6 is good, other than that they can get in the bin. This change was not needed, however I will admit this is nothing compared to the shroud runners change 😳
Just want to add that rangers do the exact same thing if you want to fish for mortals. Far better way of doing it whilst also cheaply filling out your troop slots. Not that troop slots matter in arks
@@kyleroach-smith1291 Yeah, as I said it’s a thing I’ve seen talked up in the community, I thought I’d suggest it as a possible reason for what’s otherwise a perplexing change. Regarding better options for mortal wound fishing I’m also going to recommend striking scorpions for anyone who wants to run those sorts of strategies. Rangers are a fair pick but as I said the reason why d-scythes were suggested in the first place is how many attacks you can get out of them
@@christophermcarthur6943 I have run them a few times I had them deep strike as a counter unit shot at a 5 man terminator squad Gray nights and killed 3 models and then lost 2 of my own so I would say the points increase wasn’t needed cuz unless you invest in putting them in deep strike or some other method deploying them they just get shot off the board and if tagged in melee you can’t shoot cu they have the blast rule so they can shoot in combat but they can’t with D-scythe anyway
Yeah it was a completely unnecessary change, that strat is decent BUT requires pretty heavy investment to work and even then can be very variable in how effective it actually is. The only reason I could see for it is if GW thought they could fire their blast weapons in melee (which they can't RAW).
I was wondering about that. I have literally never seen anyone run wraithguard over wraithblades, I am intrigued as to why D-scythes needed to go up in costs . . .
Eldar changes: Wraithguard really needed that nerf...... Shroud runners really needed that buff........ Troops are fine...... Swooping hawks just got blown out of the game, they needed nerfing, but not THAT much jesus. Dark reapers get a drop which should have been done MONTHS ago and theyre still very average. Phoenix lords are fine....... Wraith constructs are a joke compared to terminators Warlock nerf was just unnecessary. Not the worst thing, but why was that a focus of the rebalance. Psykers in general are a really unreliable source of unit buffs and are getting far too expensive to justify. Fire prism is depressing. Seriously just compare it to a russ Scatterbikes still the same cost as shuriken cannons.... AND SHROUDS NOW??? Wraithknight is still underwhelming. Webway gate is IRRELEVANT: No secondary anymore, reserves free, points INCREASE??? At least we can ally with clowns easier so as usual they have to carry us..... OH, I see you've decided to remove 1/3 of harlequins survivability in one fell swoop Congratulations GW. This is pathetic
@@kyleroach-smith1291 the D-Scythe nerf only makes sense in the realm of not wanting AP-4 auto hitting weapons to get to fire and faded. Besides that it does seem really off to me outside of the Harlequins, they needed a major toning down but I agree I’m not sure this was the way to do it.
black templars actually feel pretty good coming out these changes. The primaris crusader squads being cheap (even cheaper than intercessors and assault intercessors!) and with completely free wargear means they can be used in large groups way more, especially now that the black templar army wide 5++ invuln has more value again. BT vehicles now also get their multi-melta for free, making a BT gladiator reaper excellent at mulching light infantry while packing a multi-melta for anti-tank AND having a 5++ invuln all for cheap. Black templars already liked having storm shield units thanks to the squad relics, and these shields now have way more value (especially with assault terminator squads now getting thunder hammers for free). Other units that black templars love like inceptors, eradicators, aggressors and even suppressors went down in points as well. Even primaris sword brethren got some help thanks to their wargear now being free.
@@dkng6363 Ooof, that IS rough. Not disagreeing there. I think it's okay for both of us to be annoyed :D I could say: "Well, Chaos wasn't that good to begin with and Nids have been running the tables for a long time." And you could say: "FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE POINTS." And both of us would have valid arguments!
@@dkng6363 tyranids got sodomized sooo bad Man. IT was a slaugther without relentless wait. I hated them fresh fron the new Codex, AND was expecting them to be justly corrected. Im laghing my ass off at how brutal this update was for them, like why?. Harlequins got brutalized aswell, like watching a baby fightng a profesional boxer
I feel bad for Tyranid players. They just got slapped with nerfs so powerful, folks out here were sure the rumors were made up. Simply because they seemed too punitive to be real. Once again, GW out here over-correcting.
Nids were still the #1 most winning faction, and not just by veteran players since it was also the most popular. Braindead easy to play, they really needed more nerfs IMO. The people responsible for the Nids release should be brought out back for the condition it came out in
@@chashtag2336 dude, the changes aré similar to sodomization rather than a corrective punishment. Harlequins corpses were paraded in the streets aswell.
@@chashtag2336 Pound for pound, there are no real single Tyranid entries in their dex that are more or less powerful than the enemy counterparts all things considered. It's just that their playstyle rewards the objectives of the game while still making them combat viable. Advancing onto objective points to force opponents to come to you has always been a cornerstone of the tyranid playstyle. It's just that they can spread their forces across the board so effectively and field a large variety of options in comparison to other armies that makes them hard to deal with as a whole. Prime example = Walking Tyrant with bog standard loadout (HVC + LW&BS) comes in at 195pts for T8, 12W and a 2+/4++ save. 30 termagaunts with FB comes in at 210pts for T3, 30W and a 5+ save. Back both units up with a min unit of Venomthropes for 105pts (120pts after dataslate) for T5, 12W with a 4+ save and pretty much makes the entire amount of stuff on the board -1 to hit at range. Suddenly you have 3 units with vastly different statistics, all providing a specific role that will require vastly different firepower or battlefield counters to easily remove. If the game developers wanted to make their game fully viable at the competitive level, they would take a page out of the Malifaux or Warmachine book and allow competitive tournaments to allow players to field 1 of 2 lists at a tournament so that they aren't fully hamstrung into playing a single list into allcomers, be they hoard armies with boadloads of bodies that they don't have enough firepower to deal with small heavily armoured elite armies that they can't punch through before they roll over you.
I just got 700 Dollars worth of Tyranids for christmas. My 2k tournament list now costs 2400 points while my buddies Space Marine List is at roughly 1700 points. The solution is simple. Sell everything 40k I own and live a happy life not playing it. The system has become too short lifed and maliciously greedy. This company will not get any single penny anymore from my side. I feel free now. I am healed.
@@VideospamitmoRgi Ok, enjoy :) This hobby is not just for competitive games you know. A lot of it should be enjoying painting, lore etc. You can always decide with your buddy what rules to use at home if your games are not fair. The game changes constatnly and this is a hobby most people enjoy for many many years.
You forgot that the two Drukhari gunboats from Forge World had significant points decreases. As they can use Dark Technomancers, it adds a new option that I am brewing right now
Sororitas. GW just sold their christmas box with 6 Paragons and Morven Vahl which were amazing with armor of contempt - only to nerf them back again only 2 weeks later. I wonder...
Especially now that they are simply solidly mid-tier the Tau nerfs are stupid and don't address the necessity for internal balance. BUFF. FIRE. WARRIORS.
Gotta say it: Auspex Tactics is the NON-PLUS ULTRA when it comes to all "theoretical" things about the GAME of Warhammer 40k (not the lore). These videos are always so thorough and up to date, just unparalleled. Well done and thank You for Your work!
Yeah it seems like they gave big nerfs to the problem units and also the units they thought would be problems after that. So now tyranids are left with the scraps at the bottom of the barrel.
Thanks for the great summary Auspex! In case people missed it, the Warhammer Community article for this has a 40 minute interview video explaining some of these changes, eg for Flamers of Tzeentch weapon change and SM point decreases. Worth a watch if you want to understand some of the reasons. Not all are explained there though unfortunately.
Despite them still being the worst clan, I think I may start running my boyz as the Bad Moons they are painted as again. It was rather disheartening when half the armies in the game ignored the already pitiful +1 AP on 6s to wound thanks to Armor of Contempt.
@@absolutfreak5012 Yeah I think they could be fun again. I myself am an Evil Sunz player and I plan on running them that way again unless I go to a tournament (hell, maybe even then). The buff to the wwaaaggh makes them plenty viable in combat without needing to be goffs now that we have -1 AP again.
@@viewtifuljoe4412 DAZ DA SPIRIT LAD! I never really left them honestly, just thought it was a fun comment to leave haha. But I had been playing them as Goffs instead of my Evil Sunz. Which is my favorite clan and how they're painted.
Eldar changes: Wraithguard really needed that nerf...... Shroud runners really needed that buff........ Troops are fine...... Swooping hawks just got blown out of the game, they needed nerfing, but not THAT much jesus. Dark reapers get a drop which should have been done MONTHS ago and theyre still very average. Phoenix lords are fine....... Wraith constructs are a joke compared to terminators Warlock nerf was just unnecessary. Not the worst thing, but why was that a focus of the rebalance. Psykers in general are a really unreliable source of unit buffs and are getting far too expensive to justify. Fire prism is depressing. Seriously just compare it to a russ Scatterbikes still the same cost as shuriken cannons.... AND SHROUDS NOW??? Wraithknight is still underwhelming. Webway gate is IRRELEVANT: No secondary anymore, reserves free, points INCREASE??? At least we can ally with clowns easier so as usual they have to carry us..... OH, I see you've decided to remove 1/3 of harlequins survivability in one fell swoop Congratulations GW. This is pathetic
Space Marine player opinion: Loss of AoC: AoC was exactly the buff that was needed but was also a very problematic rule as it disproportionately affects AP-1 which is often an important buff (e.g. doctrines) for some factions that becomes irrelevant. Moreover, it disrupts internal balance in regard to storm shields. I think it needed to go but so does the over-proliferation of easy access to AP. They seem to be doing one and not the other which seems to be repeating the mistakes of the past (a theme) Combat Doctrines: This is reverted to the original rule that was biased in favour of devastator-focused chapters and proved problematic. Again, repeating the mistakes of the past. I think allowing up to two turns in the Devastator doctrine before progressing to tactical (much like tactical already has a choice of one or two before moving to assault) would have been better. This also nerfs most backwards doctrine manipulation abilities - especially Dark Angels' supreme tacticians (again, a theme) - by making them less important to boosting key units. Sticky objectives: don't care. It only seems useful if you want the troops to go and do something which you probably don't - they're sufficiently underwhelming to being best suited for objective camping, anyway. Ravenwing might be able to move fast enough to sticky objectives quicker than other factions can clear them which, in fairness, potentially introduces a fun new play style but... Doublewing dead: big nerf to Dark Angels from a competitive perspective Points drops: I don't like this extreme rebalancing just using points - it doesn't tend to work. The key question, in my eyes, is 'does the unit do the job?'. Eradicators have always done their job too well and their previous points rise only served to make people jump to attack bikes that also do the same job too well; conversely, Reivers don't serve a purpose and making them dirt cheap barely gives them one. Moreover, if all (or most) points come down that effectively reduces the resolution of the game in distinguishing the relative strengths of units. Increasing everyone else's points would have been better than dropping ours.
Auspex Tactics, thank you so much for the info, quality right there, thank you soo much! you're a blessing! On another matter, I want to start with Harlequins but ouch haha, hope they're still viable.
I would have liked to see the Grey Knights Chaplain getting wargear options for his stormbolter, combi weapons-wise and Tau Ghostkeels getting some love.
So, looks like sisters are now even more of a glass cannon. I know it was also hopeless thinking but I was gunning for SM transport rules being fixed, I shouldn't be surprised since GW has a vendetta against the old models
One thing many people are not thinking about: Nurgle-only armies will actually be solid. We already saw people taking 2x GUO 3x Soulgrinder (Nurgle mark for 5 large T9 units). Now, drones are cheap enough to contest farther than the middle of the board, especially since one GUO is usually a supporting one and can take the bell to resurrect 1/turn. Cheap Pleaguebearers is awesome with the sticky objectives, and secondary changes that allow for extra CP to be gained by using troops. Plus the Despoilers change allows for gaining warpstorm points on top of that. I can easily see Nurgle being semi-competitive at this rate
GW *looks at Tyranids* "We need to temper the win rates of this faction. How many times should we beat this piñata?" *mumbling and murmuring whispers between the staff in the meeting* Matt Raises his hand, receiving a nodd from the the Alpha Chad GW. "We should do the right thing and put these bugs in their place and consult.....the wheel" speaking the last word in a hiss *Gurgling praises wail from the throats of the assembly at the mention of the sacred wheel, arms raised to the skylights facing a Blood Moon night sky* Matt turns heel toward the far wall with a crimson drape shrouding an object on a stone dais. In a single motion, Matt Ward draws the drape off in a flourish revealing a stained wooden pinwheel adorned with runes and arcane symbols. *The gurgling cries and wails from the shareholders and writing staff amplifies as the Crimson Glow of the moon deepens, drowning the chamber in its bloody shadow* Matt Ward reaches within the bulging folds of his pocket protector, extracting a bottle of Nuln Oil. Extending his free left hand he grips the gnarled edge of the Pinwheel and yanks downward, setting it into a roaring cackling spin. The nail posts echoing on the pointer like the teeth of hungry customers awaiting their next morsel. At the apex of the reveling cries of suits, interns, writers and the shareholders in the shadows. Matt tears open and casts the bottle of Nuln oil over the Spinning wheel as it comes to a slow dripping stop. The room comes to a sudden tranquility as all voices ceased their praises. "What does it say" Voices whisper as they lean to get a better observation of the ritual's conclusion. Matt Ward quickly consults the charts scrawled over the fleshworkers tapestry on the adjacent wall. Some spots still glistening fresh from the last customers who complained about their pricing model too close to their headquarters. "Exterminatus" Matt utters under his breath. "What was that?" an Executive calls out. "EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!" Matt Cries, Pleasure Oozing from his expression. "SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE!!!!!" The assembly chants in union. Over and over again. The subject at hand comes to a close, papers are signed as the Administratum Clock Tower Cries over the misty England Landscape. All in the days work under the light of the Emperor. *
Thank you sir for the consistent updates and the time stamp! It’s really a life saver! As a Tau player I really wish they would stop punishing us for being the shooting army. We already hit on 4+ and they just keep making all our stuff more expensive. I’d really like to run a list that wasn’t %50 one type of unit (crisis spam and riptide spam)
If I read the thing right Deathwatch doctrines got nerfed relative to everyone else. The data slate updates the space marine codex doctrines that our supplement tells us specifically not to use.
The changes to detachments are a pretty big nerf to daemons. Can't take multiple detachments anymore, meaning you can't mix gods and access any of the god-specific warp storm abilities.
You don't need multiple detachments with daemons. You got the same keyword on all army besides gods specific: Legiones Daemonica. It's enough to mix freely. That's a point of their new codex. If you soup with another chaos faction you need some keyword besides CHAOS
@@VSGBoneyard What do you mean you dont need multiple detachments? Either you go all-in on one god are get stuck with the dogshit useless generic warpstorm the whole game.
@@chashtag2336 warpstorm points can be used on any god buffs, your detachment have nothing to do with it. You just need daemon with right keywords to benefit from it. The only another detachment you really need is supreme commander for Belakor and you need only when all of the HQ slots in primary detach is fully loaded with another big bodies like bloodthirsters, LoC or etc
@@VSGBoneyard 1. Supreme commander detachement is gone. 2. Of course warpstorm tables are affected by detachment. Ex for Khorne: "If your army includes any LEGIONES DAEMONICA Detachments (excluding Auxiliary Support, Super-heavy Auxiliary, Supreme Command or Fortification Network Detachments) in which every unit has the KHORNE keyword, you have access to the following Khorne Warp Storm effects, and can spend Warp Storm points to use them.". RTFM ?
@@VSGBoneyard this fkn guy can't even read his own rules. You only get God-specific abilities if you have a detachment for that god only. Read your rules
Couple thoughts I had: -Leagues of Votann points changes make no sense aside from the champion and Thunderkyn because none of them come close to addressing the main problems with the Faction. Hernkyn Pioneers staying the same but Grimnyrs going up blows my mind. Don't forget that they still have Void Armour. -Grey Knights and Chaos Marines of all varieties not getting sticky objectives feels so spiteful, as does the points nerf to chaos terminators. -The new list of restricted units for Brood Brothers makes me think that the AM codex designers actually forgot that Brood Brothers were a thing and just didn't bother with trying to figure out if the new units were balanced as GSC allies. -The Swift Strikes faq for Asuryani does make me happy. -They gave all this nice stuff to all these suffering imperial armies, but still won't give Core back to pain engines? After looking through all the updates, I've decided to start making monthly donations to Alzheimer's research in hopes that future quarterly updates will improve in quality.
My Deathwing army just got a whole new bunch of Terminators. I might need to change some loadouts but more Terminators and more Watchers in the Dark are always welcome
@@Graythegunfighter We can still take Black Knights and Ravenwing apothecary in the Deathwing list without losing obsec. With the point reduction Black Knights might be worth a slot
Nice. Now the Nightbringer's 'Drain Life' ability works how I always thought it should. Didn't make sense that an enemy can use their armor to reduce damage against it.
The nerfs to tau are fine, but they did absolutely nothing to increase unit variety. Now we are even more restricted in what we bring since no more kroot or flyers. It's literally just commanders, crisis, riptides now. People have been saying this for a long time, buff our ghostkeels.
I agree, I would LOVE to run a ghostkeel or firesight marksmen but why would I when crisis suits and commanders are strictly better in pretty much every way even with the points increases.
Ork POV: If you're fielding boyz, you might as well take your max big shootas, they're now free. Won't significantly hurt your melee output, and it will give you a tiny bit of shooting if you wind up in a position where you don't need to advance to be useful. Nobz units are still probably garbage, but they do get free power stabbas and big choppas now and discounts on many other things, so maybe some madman can make 17 ppm melee nobs with one of those and offhand choppas. Other standouts are 22 ppm klaw/saw + choppa, or for real excess 27 ppm double-saw nobs. Doubt any of those do the job, but it's one of the biggest changes we got. Painboyz at 60 ppm is a bit more attractive for decently-armed minor character and a small 6+++ bubble. Maybe worth doing if you've got a couple of foot mobs to protect with him, but it's iffy unless you're trying bigger units than are in fashion. Flash gitz at 20 ppm are still fragile and need a vehicle/bunker to hide in, but 200 pts to double tap a max unit with Showing Off is hell of a lot more interesting than 250 was. The Gork/Mork superheavy walkers are both down 35 ppm, about 10% off. Still don't seem good, but the silly Arks force org chart make sthem less painful to field so maybe we'll see some. Surprise winner of the update: Killa kans. Going to 30 ppm base makes them very similar to meganobz for melee output point-for-point, and they have some shooting (which keeps right on working in melee) to boot. Dropping their rokkits to 10 pts is a lot better too, but still doesn't impress me as efficient. Stick to either 30 ppm big shoota kans or 35 ppm skorcha kans and try them in place of a meganob unit and see how it works out. Take them in groups of five and pray to Gork (or possibly Mork) when it comes to morale, you want that extra attack from Scrag 'Em to last a bit but going to six just rewards blast weapons too much and you really aren't all that tough. AT tends to overvalue ramshackle quite a lot given how few attack profiles it actually helps with.
for tournament players nothing changes much, for my ork friend hes excited to run both nauts again and flash gits marching out of cover and blasting stuff
Pretty sure Archons also got a stealth buff, as their equipment appears to be free now. The usual way to run them was Huskblade + Blast Pistol, so that frees up 10 points. Really not sure what to make of that, since it was a unit you saw in practically any army... but then they up the price on the Haemonculus, which was already almost never taken and people just brought Drazhar in their Coven Patrols...
It's been interesting seeing GW attempting to correct for codex creep.... instead of, perhaps, going in the direction of one page rules iteration on balance.
I do not believe it applies to noise marines, according to the munitorum manual, the mark that you upgrade a unit with itself goes up, so units that become slanesh by other means and the noise marines and Lucius do not get the nerf
@@anteivcevic2800 An overeaction, the change doesn't effect Lucius, Noise Marines, and any unit that can't take the mark. Other than Terminators and generic HQ's not much that was actually being played was nerfed. Blastmasters didn't get nerfed, Incessant Disdain got boosted, and Adorn the Canvas were both buffed. We can take 4HQ's, including 2X DP or Lords if you want them. Free strategic reserves and daemon allies are also buffs. Now loosing AOC does hurt, but it hurt lots of armies.
@@Fifthmiracle even so. Between 4 hqs and terminator brick, that is 50pts nerf. If you play abaddon with that is 100pts nerf. As an aoc army that is quite a blow since it would be much harder to stay on the board.
@@tommychaos3 The points cost is reflective of the model itself no? As said in the video, in order to now get the "best" out of the overcosted unit, one HAS to use those synergies. What a shame.
@bryal so it should be but the only difference between a standard Chaos Terminator and Imperial Terminator is the melee weapon they come with. In a way it does balance out, you get an extra attack and strength for the Accursed weapon -3 ap and 1D and for the power fist you -1 to hit but get double strength, -3 ap and 2D. If you put a barebones squad from each side against each other with no buffs, I'd put my money on the space marine terminators winning. And that's coming from a Chaos player. BUT Imperial Terminators are cheaper and now get free upgrades where as Chaos don't. That doesn't seem fair
Great Video again! What i personally find best, is the huge Point decrease for FirstBorn Marines. With all all upgrades includes most are at some 33% discout. You can now easily field a 2750 points FirstBorn for 2000. LongFangs with Terminator Guard ist now 149 instead of 250, scouts in general are now 60pts per squad with all their toys and, besides the Flyer nerf, both SpaceWolf Flyer are down to 225 from 300 and 320! I really like it to have an alternative, now that my Tyranids are going back to the shelves again!
Yeah, because people were running HG so much with the new codex they had to raise their points Everyone else getting cheap/free wargear? Cool. Raise the tyranids. Fair I get the tyrant and zoanthropes. But who was running mass carnifexes? It doesn't make any sense
15 pts extra in both Warriors AND their fast attack brothers seem overkill, hilarius. Carnifexes could have done with a 5 to 10 pts extra?, At least on screamer killers. The normal one was fine
@@superkamigoru No, GW hates Tyranids in general. They probably sold all their overstock and then slapped them with the heaviest nerfs they could get away with.
@@oblivionfan345Tony I have to disagree, they're good anti-tank and if you run twisted helix and apply the right buffs they can become absolute monsters in melee and especially against vehicles so 27 is a good cost
As a Nidz player, I just want to play the Warrior models I built with swords back in 8th edition without feeling like they are overpowered or they are trash. The swords are good, and should cost extra... but a pair of them at 10 pt per model? Yikes.
I have a serious question that I would like an answer to if anyone is in the know. Why does GW seem to hate Chaos Marines so much. They've made us suck since 5th edition. Then we have this new rules update. Marines appear to be getting all sorts of help. CSM? We lose Armor of Contempt, we don't get to choose our doctrine, our points are going UP, we don't get free wargear and our best mark even went up. For those of us that play Slaanesh, every unit in our army went up at least 5 points. Wow, Chaos is sure going to kick butt now...
Legionaries get free wargear. Losing Aoc is going to hurt. Vehicles got slight buffs as they don't pay for kist warhead now. Its a bit if a mixed bag. But yes....marines hot lots of love
I worked for GW for 7 years and spoke with lots of people who work in the studio and some of the actual designers of the original game. In depth over dinner and drinks on some occasions so let me tell you on good authority why GW hates Chaos so much: I honestly have no idea.
@@patrickhuffman9632 I have played since the middle of 2nd edition. Up through 4th,CSM were THE bad guys. We were the one opponent that worried other players. Now they just take stuff away. I really don't understand why our list has to get worse.
Well everything in tau bar the units nerfed were struggling. Would have been nice if some other units were compensated with a few point changes to make them more viable.
I agree. Crisis suits are the only reliable way to deal good damage. Riptides with the ion accelerator are okay, but taking mortals on an already squishy unit isn't great. Broadsides can't benefit from any buffs, which makes them extremely swingy. Stealth suits cost too much, Breachers in Devilfish cost too much, Strike Teams aren't great, Hammerheads are extremely swingy, Skyrays are expensive for what they do, Ghostkeel are way too expensive, Piranhas are useless, fliers were just nerfed hard, Stormsurges cost a ton and aren't that tough. IDK. Crisis suits and Kroot spam was the majority of my army, not because I like those units, but because they are the only really effective non-HQ units in the codex.
@@delilahfox3427 You don't take mortals from the Riptides nova reactor any more. It just has the chance to burn out the more the Riptide gets damaged now.
And lo the cry was heard form the workshop of games as they once again slashed space marine points costs. The cry was "Will SOMEONE please by these reivers!!"
We all knew that Armour of Contempt was stop-gap solution to codex creep, so I'm not surprised it's going away. I'm more excited about the points reductions for my Black Templars and Space Marines armies because I can squeeze more units into my lists. TBH I'm kinda sad about Intercessors dropping to 90 points because I thought them being 100 points was the perfect unit of measurement to balance all other units around -- but that hasn't really worked out in practice so I suppose it's for the best the Space Marines have an overall points reduction whereas the dominant armies, i.e. Tyranids, increase in points. Also, I'm somewhat ambivalent to the changes to Necrons because I didn't like how dominant the Custom Dynasty was in the meta. I'm also eager to fit in more units into my Necrons armies, especially Warriors and Tomb Blades. But I'm disappointed that only the Doomsday Ark received a points reduction and not the Doomstalker; and I wish that Reanimation Protocols were improved for multi-wound units because the all-or-nothing rule basically makes it impossible for 3+ wound models to resurrect. And I'm going to have to drop some models from my Votann lists. Oh well.
Tyranid player here. I feel like the Spore mine change ruins tyranids for me. When they changed make you pay for them ahead, all they do is make it so your paying extra for a body that can be wiped off. It was the reason i never liked tervigon in last edition. And more nerfs. This is the 3rd, 4th round. Its getting disheartening. Think i will store them til next edition
Using mines to deal some MWs, or choke points around the map are fine. Summoning 30 to cloud the map every turn and preventing foward advancement, while the rest shoots you or corrals you is why the change.
@@seancherry113030? 6 from Sporocyst, 6 from double Harpies and up to 9 (3d3) from Biovores... it's still alot I agree but limiting the spawning to just one unit per army per turn would be a better idea than mines costing Reinforcement points
'Core' is one of the unit keyword; typically, there are a lot of buffs for core units by characters, though it varies by army Most codexs have some HQs which grant rerolls on 1s to Core units within 6', or the Chapter Master Rerolls, also targeting Core
core is a keyword which allows command abilities and strategems to be used on them. A lot of strategems for example will say: pick a core unit and give it some sort of buff. This is the same for certain character unit abilities that can give nearby core units rerolls on attacks or feel no pain and so on. Some psychic powers can only be used on core units as well.
My Iron Warriors are at a 40% win rate. I'm not a competitive player, but I certainly hope they get at least a *little* better. It sucks having an army on the bottom that you've put a ton of time and money into.
Sorry, I run IW and Fists, but 9th is not friendly for either of them right now. Fists got a boost from the points cuts and the new secondaries for Space Marines give us options, but they aren't nearly as good as others.
Hey atleast iron warriors can now kill space marines abit easly now by ignoring cover and still have this mini-armor of condempt rule. Running mark of tzeentch on legionaries and chosen with chaos icons just to boost ap for range weapons will perhaps make this a game changer for them.
This dataslate really stings. I just finished spending at least 100 hours converting a thunderhawk into a totally corrupted chaos monstrosity, and it is basically unusable now. My secondary army behind CSM is Tyranids, so really nothing to be excited about here. Kind of feels like a kick in the teeth after so many years of chaos being noncompetitive and finally having a book that made me excited to field them.
I bash built a techmarine on attack bike back in 3rd when you could just do it for points, loved the outcome when all was done. He sits now collecting dust--hasn't been legal in forever and I don't have the heart to butcher it up. Feelsbadman.
its more the opposite for tau now that troops will be most optional krisis will be even used more then before cause they still are the best unit of the tau codex beside the commander and sunshark sad for allthe other units they just getting less used. GW still dont know how to intern balance the tau codex....
Deathwatch vets are 27 pts per model now. Thank you very much, GW, my bolters are combimeltas now and every 10s is a blackshield (still bad but hilarious)
Guard seem really overpowered now. Was half expecting the adittional AP on their órders to be changed with aoc gone, aswell as Lemán russes suffering fron at least a 15 pts increaae but oh well, ITS their turn i guess
How do you think they’ll rework the Combat Doctrines for Deathwatch? We get to pick then keep, or just screw us for being the middle children of Astartes?
@@aligaterr5137 which is worse for Deathwatch because now we can’t just stay in our preferred Doctrine all game like other Astartes. So much for being “elite” Space Marines 🤷♂️
Haven’t commented before pal but find of these incredibly helpful and watch the vast majority of your videos - really appreciate your dedication to how much you throw out - keep it up!
GW: Drops a nuke of an update, completely changing the game in so many ways that most people can't comprehend it all at once
everyone else: I'll just wait for Auspex Tactics to summarize it for me in like an hour
No. I read it first. Came to see the comments section to laugh at the fat whales who havent figured out this will change NOTHING in the current meta.
@@fozzilla123 how’s that?
@@Whoknows21356 The points buffs/nerfs are not nearly enough to impact the armies who lost A.O.C. All that S5+ Ap-2, Dmg 2 weaponry every army can spam will just delete the struggling armies like SM. Not much point in taking an extra squad of troops when they are deleted twice as fast. Votann will be doubly hard to beat, Nids/Quins( Aledari in general)/CSM (particularly EC, BL) will still be top after this.
Why read the thing and reduce my brain to tv static noise when I can get all nice and cozy and listen to the Auspex fellow.
Literally this. Valrak was even like "I can't math, gonna wait for Auspex" on his stream.
I was just talking with a buddy after a game and he said “I bet Auspex’s brain is on fire right now”
The man was made for moments like these.
He was hitting F5 for days now
Not only do you consistently deliver great Warhammer 40k news but you timestamp so I can go to the armies I care about! Thank you. You rock!!!
I'd really love an interview with the games team going over each and every change they made in detail to points. Some are fair and make sense, others are just harsh and unnecessary
Like tzeentch flamers and necron dinasty, and flyers, it looks like they had loads of choices to solve the problem and they choose the most destructive way
@@Happy-zg4zd …no
@@Happy-zg4zd interesting examples you pick, personally I think those were three reasonably decent changes. Flamers couldn't keep a 3++ Vs shooting and retain auto-hitting, it made countering them far too difficult, and the unit needed it's damage output reducing anyway. Necrons, the obsec dynasty stuff was always obnoxious, it was just clearly better than any other option and wasn't very enjoyable to play against. The flyer change does invalidate a few flyers (goodbye voidraven bombers), but anything that slaps down alpha strikes is good for the game.
@@samhunter1205 the flamer stuff was just too cost efficient, slap huge points costs and it could be solved without removing the one ability flamers are known for, necron obsec could have been, you cant get pre game move when picking obsec, not just yeeting the code, and flyers change fucked everyone that didnt abuse them
@@Happy-zg4zd wrong on all counts. No unit should have a 3++ Vs shooting and an overwatch attack that powerful, it is too punishing to certain factions and does not leave enough room for counterplay. Either the save had to be worsened or the auto-hitting had to go. For Necrons, the obsec crap combined with ridiculous secondaries was holding the faction back, you couldn't reduce the cost of units like warriors while that existed. For flyers, they are inherently abusive - they could reach anywhere on the board turn 1, alpha strikes are cancer to the game and need to go. This change, combined with free strategic reserves actually makes flyers less swingy. They can't do dumb alpha strikes, but they have some in-built protection if you end up going second. Bombers lose out, but good riddance, they were too obnoxious anyway.
As someone who mains Tempetus Scions I hate how GW keeps screwing over my ability to run aircav just because Admech/Orks and now Tau/nids have OP flyers, it would have been more prudent to just nerf the aircraft units that were to strong than to basically kill aircraft as playable units.
My heldrake screams with anquish in the pile of shame
its very weird they didnt carve an exception out for transports considering they tend to yknow, not do very much damage
The funny part is that there was one pretty obvious way to make the aircav work with the current rules: Just make the Valkyr a Dedicated Transport.
your winged dudes were cheaper, faster, and slightly stronger than eldar fly shoot guys when they first came out. Just be glad you can still field them, because many night lords got completely neutered.
meanwhile the craftworlds player just stares at the ceiling in the corner
25:19 GW has a long history of costing chaos units this way. They typically cost more than their loyalist counterparts because they MIGHT get crazy good buffs. This is a large reason why CSM models have often been worse than their loyalist counterparts. As for the "why" of them costing the unit and not just the buffing model/powers... I've no clue.
GW logic idk thats wierd
Well, first of all, with the God-Emperor, all things are possible, so jot that down.
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CSM vehicles are better, loyalists didn't get the stat buffs. Is it worth it?
I mean it makes the difference between them being viable or not, the point difference is worth it, yeah. You either have an effective barrage of upgraded lascannons or you have a big pile of whiff that cost you an 8th of your list just sitting there.
It's just another example of why factions should not be 1 for 1 in points costs. They should be asymmetrically balanced because they are asymmetrical armies.
Chaos space marines *should* be better than their loyalist counterparts, but they should also be less coordinated and hide behind chaff. Because they're egotistical schemers.
@@Smilomaniac well said.
the holy trinity of warhammer! wahapedia - battlescribe - Auspex Tactics. keep up the great work!!!
I think the BT Multi-Melta addon for vehicles is free now as well. Which is pretty nuts considering Gladiators are 30 pts cheaper to start with.
yeah it's basically discounted land raider achilles, very discounted
The fact that doomstalkers didn't get touched is a crime
The pathetically low amount of point changes on necrons is just infuriating, they might win games, but the faction is just unfun to play normally. Your things are all more expensive then other armies better equivilants
Trashstalkers?
My Storm Guardians are crying in pain
@@fin4314 and they also nerfed the Secondaries, so it will be harder to win.
but tbh i hate winning by relying on Secondaries.
but yes Necrons need some weapon buffs.
If xenos ever get anything nice it's because of an oversight, or trying to sell a new kit (which will get nerfed).
This video is why this channel is the only channel that I support thru patreon. Thank you for your work.
Thank you so much for these videos.
So much easier to understand what has changed without having to cross reference multiple books.
Hitting terminators hurts every chaos marine subfaction, not just bile and children. They should have just hit the slaneesh keyword and the bile legion trait as they did, not decrease a 40% win rate army like iron warriors to 30%
I'm sure the free combi-bolters and havoc launchers will make up for it.
@@klorinator No, they don't. Not even remotely. Chaos shooting is mediocre which is why Iron Warriors are in the sorry state they are.
@@JordanR str 5 ap 0 rocket launchers to the moon!
Sadness within, sadness without
Good, become bitter, paint more iron warriors
As a scars player, sticky objectives are helpful. Wish it applied to bikes tho
Some of those tyranid changes seem very random and out of place. I get that GW has wanted tyranids knocked down a few (or a lot of) pegs ever since our codex release, but Hive guard, Trygon and OOE? Really!?! Why? Also the spore change is just clunky and annoying, should've been handled in a different way at the very least. Or a point drop, as 10 pts is just to high for them IMO.
Ugh. Thinking about getting back into 40k after not really playing since 8th. They just change so much so often, getting an army together seems like a nightmare.
Buy the models you like and can have a use for (anti-infantry/anti-vehicle, buffing etc.) and regardless of what happens you have models you enjoy.
@@viewtifuljoe4412 Or you could just invest that money into something else...
It's funny you say that because my Kastellan robot spam feels like other than points tweeks has not really changed much since the codex rolled out
This is why I recommend people give One Page Rules a try. Grimdark Future doesn't have the kind of seismic shifts 40K goes through every few months.
@@DK-zl5gb if you mean a 3D printer that is fine for other people but for me I enjoy building models :)
Thank you. Only wished gw simply put a plus or minus points compared to the old values to make working out what's cheaper or more expensive easier.
Tabletop Tactics has put together a complete comparison of point changes. You can find it on their web page under Field Manual.
@@davidgantenbein9362 Jepp, they are doing the Emperor's work in that regard. Begs the question why GW can't do that in the first place, and why they have to rely on a motley crew of youtubers to do their work for them.
@@FzNd Isn’t „let the net do the work“ GW‘s business model by now?
@@FzNd Well they don't have a Chef or Auspex Tactics. These boys do the emperor's work way better.
Upside, can now fit both my assault centurion squads, a bunch of troops, and outriders in my white scars list. Downside, my necrons are still hurting.
The CORE keyword and AoC are both prime examples of interesting enough concepts horribly handled.
I'm curious why you thought core was poorly implemented? It should be on more units in some armies but I think in general it works quite well
@@spoonsrattling Its an absolutely attrocious fucked up mechanic. As usual its a band aid solution to a core problem. Just like AoC.
@@19Crusader91 could you develop on why that is ? I'm really interested, same for AoC
9th Ed. rules went pear shaped halfway through unfortunately
@@spoonsrattling Core just means that half of your codex is useless, if a unit has the keyword you can stack numerous bonuses on it, if it doesn't then it's just a mediocre stats brick.
This has made a 3xReaper&3xTantalus Dark Technomancers build into a fun concept. Probably 30 incubi w/ Drazhar and some wracks to fill it out. And I will have CP to spare for once
Tyranid Warriors with dual boneswords and deathspitter - up from 30pts to 45pts. Yes I think they needed a small increase, and I agree getting rid of transhuman leviathan was a good move. However, I think 45pts is a very harsh increase. Rending claws or scything talon builds may come back in perhaps, because I don't think many will be fond of GWs plan of trying to make us have no choice but to run gaunt carpets 😑
I think the additional cost of weapons would work if warriors were 25pts again. The weapons should never have been free. Should be able to have a cheap weak warrior and a strong costly warrior like before.
@@JasonM69 Agreed. To make things worse, GW are now introducing the same "wargear is free" nonsense for many other factions and units. Why even bother with points then? Might as well just use Power Level. Honestly - a Devastator Marine with a Las Cannon now costs the same points as one with a Bolter. Ludicrous.
GWs insistence on valuing the points on Nid warriors by intervals of five seems like overkill in my opinion. They have massacred my boys.
Why does GW hate Chaos so much? Their codex came out and performed middle of the pack and was fine. I get the change to Creations of Bile and the point increase for Abby, but terminators going up and no free gear, no AoC, and making war gear free except the tome is just stupid IMO. Mark of Slaanesh was a clear favorite for most units so that extra 5 points is what it is. CSM will just get blasted off the table now before they get to melee where they want to be.
Don’t worry they hate quins more buddy
Yeah! Take that Hive Guard! You were so good in 8th you're never going to see the light of day again! (I feel sad for my Hive Guard)
They took them behind the barn AND shot It the head, two times now, even though the second time they took a corpse AND did It anyway
How I'm feeling with Drukari we got a good codex in the start of the edition and have been paying for it since. I just hate my Talos/cronos remain very clunky to run without core and my haemonculus army just costs more for no reason. Our army was middling nowadays but still getting nerfs.
Jinx from Tabletop Tactics is probably not having a great day.
Regarding the wraithguard d-scythes, within the Craftworlds community it’s been said that they have more potential than you’d think, since 6s to wound do mortal wounds and they can make a lot of attacks. The synergy is that you fish for the 6 with doom and/or Ulthwe’s wound reroll, as well as strands of fate dice if you really want to push it. I’ve heard some people have had a lot of success with them at tournaments (though my personal experience has been that they’re inconsistent). Maybe GW is trying to prevent those strategies from being more commonly played
if you want mortals as craftworlds there are SOOOO many better ways of doing it without 45ppm for a terminator style model with a 3+ save and no invuln. Damage reduction and T6 is good, other than that they can get in the bin. This change was not needed, however I will admit this is nothing compared to the shroud runners change 😳
Just want to add that rangers do the exact same thing if you want to fish for mortals. Far better way of doing it whilst also cheaply filling out your troop slots. Not that troop slots matter in arks
@@kyleroach-smith1291 Yeah, as I said it’s a thing I’ve seen talked up in the community, I thought I’d suggest it as a possible reason for what’s otherwise a perplexing change. Regarding better options for mortal wound fishing I’m also going to recommend striking scorpions for anyone who wants to run those sorts of strategies. Rangers are a fair pick but as I said the reason why d-scythes were suggested in the first place is how many attacks you can get out of them
@@christophermcarthur6943 I have run them a few times I had them deep strike as a counter unit shot at a 5 man terminator squad Gray nights and killed 3 models and then lost 2 of my own so I would say the points increase wasn’t needed cuz unless you invest in putting them in deep strike or some other method deploying them they just get shot off the board and if tagged in melee you can’t shoot cu they have the blast rule so they can shoot in combat but they can’t with D-scythe anyway
Yeah it was a completely unnecessary change, that strat is decent BUT requires pretty heavy investment to work and even then can be very variable in how effective it actually is. The only reason I could see for it is if GW thought they could fire their blast weapons in melee (which they can't RAW).
I like how somebody at GW looked at wraithguards and went "man, fuck these ghosts"
I was wondering about that. I have literally never seen anyone run wraithguard over wraithblades, I am intrigued as to why D-scythes needed to go up in costs . . .
@@samhunter1205 looks at all the Marine Equivalents who just die to them looking at them funny. 👀
tbh I forgot those models even existed :)
Eldar changes:
Wraithguard really needed that nerf......
Shroud runners really needed that buff........
Troops are fine......
Swooping hawks just got blown out of the game, they needed nerfing, but not THAT much jesus.
Dark reapers get a drop which should have been done MONTHS ago and theyre still very average.
Phoenix lords are fine.......
Wraith constructs are a joke compared to terminators
Warlock nerf was just unnecessary. Not the worst thing, but why was that a focus of the rebalance.
Psykers in general are a really unreliable source of unit buffs and are getting far too expensive to justify.
Fire prism is depressing. Seriously just compare it to a russ
Scatterbikes still the same cost as shuriken cannons.... AND SHROUDS NOW???
Wraithknight is still underwhelming.
Webway gate is IRRELEVANT: No secondary anymore, reserves free, points INCREASE???
At least we can ally with clowns easier so as usual they have to carry us..... OH, I see you've decided to remove 1/3 of harlequins survivability in one fell swoop
Congratulations GW. This is pathetic
@@kyleroach-smith1291 the D-Scythe nerf only makes sense in the realm of not wanting AP-4 auto hitting weapons to get to fire and faded. Besides that it does seem really off to me outside of the Harlequins, they needed a major toning down but I agree I’m not sure this was the way to do it.
I literally just spent 4 hours last night building and planning my tyranid army. I wake up and see this in my feed.... I am very sad right now....
Given how often the rules change, I wouldn't build an army list until a few hours before a game.
@@austinstewart7601 Currently my army went up by 380 points and now I have to replan for my event....I should have waited....
TwT
black templars actually feel pretty good coming out these changes. The primaris crusader squads being cheap (even cheaper than intercessors and assault intercessors!) and with completely free wargear means they can be used in large groups way more, especially now that the black templar army wide 5++ invuln has more value again. BT vehicles now also get their multi-melta for free, making a BT gladiator reaper excellent at mulching light infantry while packing a multi-melta for anti-tank AND having a 5++ invuln all for cheap. Black templars already liked having storm shield units thanks to the squad relics, and these shields now have way more value (especially with assault terminator squads now getting thunder hammers for free). Other units that black templars love like inceptors, eradicators, aggressors and even suppressors went down in points as well. Even primaris sword brethren got some help thanks to their wargear now being free.
...I've never even played a game with Codex: Tyranids. Now there's been 3 rounds of nerfs hitting them hard
Super glad to see my Black Legion army got 80 points more expensive and lost AoC.
Nice to have my mid tier army get worse for no reason.
80 points XD my Tyranid list went up 455 points man... deal with that 😊
Well my termis go up on BL but my Allarus got obec. Mixed fillings...
@@dkng6363 Ooof, that IS rough. Not disagreeing there.
I think it's okay for both of us to be annoyed :D
I could say: "Well, Chaos wasn't that good to begin with and Nids have been running the tables for a long time."
And you could say: "FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE POINTS."
And both of us would have valid arguments!
AoC was the worst cancer of this game ever so it’s nice that it is gone 🎉
@@dkng6363 tyranids got sodomized sooo bad Man. IT was a slaugther without relentless wait. I hated them fresh fron the new Codex, AND was expecting them to be justly corrected. Im laghing my ass off at how brutal this update was for them, like why?. Harlequins got brutalized aswell, like watching a baby fightng a profesional boxer
I feel bad for Tyranid players. They just got slapped with nerfs so powerful, folks out here were sure the rumors were made up. Simply because they seemed too punitive to be real. Once again, GW out here over-correcting.
Nids were still the #1 most winning faction, and not just by veteran players since it was also the most popular. Braindead easy to play, they really needed more nerfs IMO. The people responsible for the Nids release should be brought out back for the condition it came out in
@@chashtag2336 dude, the changes aré similar to sodomization rather than a corrective punishment. Harlequins corpses were paraded in the streets aswell.
@@chashtag2336 Pound for pound, there are no real single Tyranid entries in their dex that are more or less powerful than the enemy counterparts all things considered. It's just that their playstyle rewards the objectives of the game while still making them combat viable. Advancing onto objective points to force opponents to come to you has always been a cornerstone of the tyranid playstyle. It's just that they can spread their forces across the board so effectively and field a large variety of options in comparison to other armies that makes them hard to deal with as a whole.
Prime example = Walking Tyrant with bog standard loadout (HVC + LW&BS) comes in at 195pts for T8, 12W and a 2+/4++ save. 30 termagaunts with FB comes in at 210pts for T3, 30W and a 5+ save. Back both units up with a min unit of Venomthropes for 105pts (120pts after dataslate) for T5, 12W with a 4+ save and pretty much makes the entire amount of stuff on the board -1 to hit at range. Suddenly you have 3 units with vastly different statistics, all providing a specific role that will require vastly different firepower or battlefield counters to easily remove. If the game developers wanted to make their game fully viable at the competitive level, they would take a page out of the Malifaux or Warmachine book and allow competitive tournaments to allow players to field 1 of 2 lists at a tournament so that they aren't fully hamstrung into playing a single list into allcomers, be they hoard armies with boadloads of bodies that they don't have enough firepower to deal with small heavily armoured elite armies that they can't punch through before they roll over you.
I just got 700 Dollars worth of Tyranids for christmas. My 2k tournament list now costs 2400 points while my buddies Space Marine List is at roughly 1700 points. The solution is simple. Sell everything 40k I own and live a happy life not playing it. The system has become too short lifed and maliciously greedy. This company will not get any single penny anymore from my side. I feel free now. I am healed.
@@VideospamitmoRgi Ok, enjoy :) This hobby is not just for competitive games you know. A lot of it should be enjoying painting, lore etc. You can always decide with your buddy what rules to use at home if your games are not fair. The game changes constatnly and this is a hobby most people enjoy for many many years.
You forgot that the two Drukhari gunboats from Forge World had significant points decreases. As they can use Dark Technomancers, it adds a new option that I am brewing right now
Amazing work getting this out so quickly, what a legend!
Sororitas. GW just sold their christmas box with 6 Paragons and Morven Vahl which were amazing with armor of contempt - only to nerf them back again only 2 weeks later. I wonder...
Especially now that they are simply solidly mid-tier the Tau nerfs are stupid and don't address the necessity for internal balance. BUFF. FIRE. WARRIORS.
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Man GW just keeps hating on Tyranids, half of those units with point cost hikes I don’t think I ever have seen used in a game
Yeah it seems like they gave big nerfs to the problem units and also the units they thought would be problems after that. So now tyranids are left with the scraps at the bottom of the barrel.
At least you didn’t get all of your saves dropped by one
Thanks for the great summary Auspex! In case people missed it, the Warhammer Community article for this has a 40 minute interview video explaining some of these changes, eg for Flamers of Tzeentch weapon change and SM point decreases. Worth a watch if you want to understand some of the reasons. Not all are explained there though unfortunately.
My Orks are BACK ON THE TABLE BOYZ!!! So far I like all these changes, a lot. I think they've done a good job. Not perfect, but good.
Despite them still being the worst clan, I think I may start running my boyz as the Bad Moons they are painted as again. It was rather disheartening when half the armies in the game ignored the already pitiful +1 AP on 6s to wound thanks to Armor of Contempt.
Dis Warboss never left me boyz. No matter what happens with rules changes ^_^
@@absolutfreak5012 Yeah I think they could be fun again. I myself am an Evil Sunz player and I plan on running them that way again unless I go to a tournament (hell, maybe even then). The buff to the wwaaaggh makes them plenty viable in combat without needing to be goffs now that we have -1 AP again.
@@viewtifuljoe4412 DAZ DA SPIRIT LAD! I never really left them honestly, just thought it was a fun comment to leave haha. But I had been playing them as Goffs instead of my Evil Sunz. Which is my favorite clan and how they're painted.
@@shuatastic Its all good. I am just happy to see fans of a faction succeed than chose that choose a faction because meta.
Wtf is with the D-Scythe nerf? They were a super niche, rarely touched unit among Aeldari players. And they got a nerf? Huh?
Agreed dude. No freaking clue why they went that way.
Eldar changes:
Wraithguard really needed that nerf......
Shroud runners really needed that buff........
Troops are fine......
Swooping hawks just got blown out of the game, they needed nerfing, but not THAT much jesus.
Dark reapers get a drop which should have been done MONTHS ago and theyre still very average.
Phoenix lords are fine.......
Wraith constructs are a joke compared to terminators
Warlock nerf was just unnecessary. Not the worst thing, but why was that a focus of the rebalance.
Psykers in general are a really unreliable source of unit buffs and are getting far too expensive to justify.
Fire prism is depressing. Seriously just compare it to a russ
Scatterbikes still the same cost as shuriken cannons.... AND SHROUDS NOW???
Wraithknight is still underwhelming.
Webway gate is IRRELEVANT: No secondary anymore, reserves free, points INCREASE???
At least we can ally with clowns easier so as usual they have to carry us..... OH, I see you've decided to remove 1/3 of harlequins survivability in one fell swoop
Congratulations GW. This is pathetic
I chock it up to space Marines crying about AoC going away
@@Trinine9 pretty fair. But still unfortunate. I thought they were cool as hell.
Space Marine player opinion:
Loss of AoC: AoC was exactly the buff that was needed but was also a very problematic rule as it disproportionately affects AP-1 which is often an important buff (e.g. doctrines) for some factions that becomes irrelevant. Moreover, it disrupts internal balance in regard to storm shields. I think it needed to go but so does the over-proliferation of easy access to AP. They seem to be doing one and not the other which seems to be repeating the mistakes of the past (a theme)
Combat Doctrines: This is reverted to the original rule that was biased in favour of devastator-focused chapters and proved problematic. Again, repeating the mistakes of the past. I think allowing up to two turns in the Devastator doctrine before progressing to tactical (much like tactical already has a choice of one or two before moving to assault) would have been better. This also nerfs most backwards doctrine manipulation abilities - especially Dark Angels' supreme tacticians (again, a theme) - by making them less important to boosting key units.
Sticky objectives: don't care. It only seems useful if you want the troops to go and do something which you probably don't - they're sufficiently underwhelming to being best suited for objective camping, anyway. Ravenwing might be able to move fast enough to sticky objectives quicker than other factions can clear them which, in fairness, potentially introduces a fun new play style but...
Doublewing dead: big nerf to Dark Angels from a competitive perspective
Points drops: I don't like this extreme rebalancing just using points - it doesn't tend to work. The key question, in my eyes, is 'does the unit do the job?'. Eradicators have always done their job too well and their previous points rise only served to make people jump to attack bikes that also do the same job too well; conversely, Reivers don't serve a purpose and making them dirt cheap barely gives them one. Moreover, if all (or most) points come down that effectively reduces the resolution of the game in distinguishing the relative strengths of units. Increasing everyone else's points would have been better than dropping ours.
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On another matter, I want to start with Harlequins but ouch haha, hope they're still viable.
I regularly run an Iron Warrior monoterminator list in competitive play.
Guess it's time to shelf them until the next codex and/or edition.
Cool.
feel your pain buddy
Auspex is a White Scar at heart getting these videos out with military precision so fast
I feel more like an Iron Hand, because the guy is a machine!
Just woke up to see this and I’m struck by how much more excited I am now than I was on Christmas morning
You must be a marine player
Wish the daemon engines got buffs. Confused as to why they made the war gear free for defiler's, then made them 10 points more expensive.
I do like the ork changes, wish deff dreads got core but flash gitz and nobs getting better is nice
As an Iron Warriors player, yeah, me too.
I would have liked to see the Grey Knights Chaplain getting wargear options for his stormbolter, combi weapons-wise and Tau Ghostkeels getting some love.
So, looks like sisters are now even more of a glass cannon. I know it was also hopeless thinking but I was gunning for SM transport rules being fixed, I shouldn't be surprised since GW has a vendetta against the old models
One thing many people are not thinking about:
Nurgle-only armies will actually be solid. We already saw people taking 2x GUO 3x Soulgrinder (Nurgle mark for 5 large T9 units). Now, drones are cheap enough to contest farther than the middle of the board, especially since one GUO is usually a supporting one and can take the bell to resurrect 1/turn.
Cheap Pleaguebearers is awesome with the sticky objectives, and secondary changes that allow for extra CP to be gained by using troops. Plus the Despoilers change allows for gaining warpstorm points on top of that. I can easily see Nurgle being semi-competitive at this rate
GW *looks at Tyranids*
"We need to temper the win rates of this faction. How many times should we beat this piñata?"
*mumbling and murmuring whispers between the staff in the meeting*
Matt Raises his hand, receiving a nodd from the the Alpha Chad GW.
"We should do the right thing and put these bugs in their place and consult.....the wheel" speaking the last word in a hiss
*Gurgling praises wail from the throats of the assembly at the mention of the sacred wheel, arms raised to the skylights facing a Blood Moon night sky*
Matt turns heel toward the far wall with a crimson drape shrouding an object on a stone dais.
In a single motion, Matt Ward draws the drape off in a flourish revealing a stained wooden pinwheel adorned with runes and arcane symbols.
*The gurgling cries and wails from the shareholders and writing staff amplifies as the Crimson Glow of the moon deepens, drowning the chamber in its bloody shadow*
Matt Ward reaches within the bulging folds of his pocket protector, extracting a bottle of Nuln Oil. Extending his free left hand he grips the gnarled edge of the Pinwheel and yanks downward, setting it into a roaring cackling spin. The nail posts echoing on the pointer like the teeth of hungry customers awaiting their next morsel.
At the apex of the reveling cries of suits, interns, writers and the shareholders in the shadows. Matt tears open and casts the bottle of Nuln oil over the Spinning wheel as it comes to a slow dripping stop.
The room comes to a sudden tranquility as all voices ceased their praises.
"What does it say" Voices whisper as they lean to get a better observation of the ritual's conclusion.
Matt Ward quickly consults the charts scrawled over the fleshworkers tapestry on the adjacent wall. Some spots still glistening fresh from the last customers who complained about their pricing model too close to their headquarters.
"Exterminatus" Matt utters under his breath.
"What was that?" an Executive calls out.
"EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!" Matt Cries, Pleasure Oozing from his expression.
"SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE!!!!!" The assembly chants in union. Over and over again.
The subject at hand comes to a close, papers are signed as the Administratum Clock Tower Cries over the misty England Landscape.
All in the days work under the light of the Emperor.
*
Thank you sir for the consistent updates and the time stamp! It’s really a life saver!
As a Tau player I really wish they would stop punishing us for being the shooting army. We already hit on 4+ and they just keep making all our stuff more expensive. I’d really like to run a list that wasn’t %50 one type of unit (crisis spam and riptide spam)
Makes sense why all their points are going down and looking better, gotta sell those new boxsets coming soon lol.
If I read the thing right Deathwatch doctrines got nerfed relative to everyone else. The data slate updates the space marine codex doctrines that our supplement tells us specifically not to use.
The changes to detachments are a pretty big nerf to daemons. Can't take multiple detachments anymore, meaning you can't mix gods and access any of the god-specific warp storm abilities.
You don't need multiple detachments with daemons. You got the same keyword on all army besides gods specific: Legiones Daemonica. It's enough to mix freely. That's a point of their new codex.
If you soup with another chaos faction you need some keyword besides CHAOS
@@VSGBoneyard What do you mean you dont need multiple detachments? Either you go all-in on one god are get stuck with the dogshit useless generic warpstorm the whole game.
@@chashtag2336 warpstorm points can be used on any god buffs, your detachment have nothing to do with it. You just need daemon with right keywords to benefit from it.
The only another detachment you really need is supreme commander for Belakor and you need only when all of the HQ slots in primary detach is fully loaded with another big bodies like bloodthirsters, LoC or etc
@@VSGBoneyard 1. Supreme commander detachement is gone.
2. Of course warpstorm tables are affected by detachment. Ex for Khorne: "If your army includes any LEGIONES DAEMONICA Detachments (excluding Auxiliary Support, Super-heavy Auxiliary, Supreme Command or Fortification Network Detachments) in which every unit has the KHORNE keyword, you have access to the following Khorne Warp Storm effects, and can spend Warp Storm points to use them.". RTFM ?
@@VSGBoneyard this fkn guy can't even read his own rules. You only get God-specific abilities if you have a detachment for that god only. Read your rules
Couple thoughts I had:
-Leagues of Votann points changes make no sense aside from the champion and Thunderkyn because none of them come close to addressing the main problems with the Faction. Hernkyn Pioneers staying the same but Grimnyrs going up blows my mind. Don't forget that they still have Void Armour.
-Grey Knights and Chaos Marines of all varieties not getting sticky objectives feels so spiteful, as does the points nerf to chaos terminators.
-The new list of restricted units for Brood Brothers makes me think that the AM codex designers actually forgot that Brood Brothers were a thing and just didn't bother with trying to figure out if the new units were balanced as GSC allies.
-The Swift Strikes faq for Asuryani does make me happy.
-They gave all this nice stuff to all these suffering imperial armies, but still won't give Core back to pain engines?
After looking through all the updates, I've decided to start making monthly donations to Alzheimer's research in hopes that future quarterly updates will improve in quality.
My Deathwing army just got a whole new bunch of Terminators. I might need to change some loadouts but more Terminators and more Watchers in the Dark are always welcome
Sucks that we have to choose between pure raven/deathwing lists or forgo obsec bikes/termies.
@@Graythegunfighter We can still take Black Knights and Ravenwing apothecary in the Deathwing list without losing obsec. With the point reduction Black Knights might be worth a slot
@@wakito64 Yea pure ravenwing lists got a big buff being able to stay in dev doc. Mixed lists and deathwing aren't loving it.
Nice. Now the Nightbringer's 'Drain Life' ability works how I always thought it should. Didn't make sense that an enemy can use their armor to reduce damage against it.
The nerfs to tau are fine, but they did absolutely nothing to increase unit variety. Now we are even more restricted in what we bring since no more kroot or flyers. It's literally just commanders, crisis, riptides now. People have been saying this for a long time, buff our ghostkeels.
I agree, I would LOVE to run a ghostkeel or firesight marksmen but why would I when crisis suits and commanders are strictly better in pretty much every way even with the points increases.
Ork POV:
If you're fielding boyz, you might as well take your max big shootas, they're now free. Won't significantly hurt your melee output, and it will give you a tiny bit of shooting if you wind up in a position where you don't need to advance to be useful.
Nobz units are still probably garbage, but they do get free power stabbas and big choppas now and discounts on many other things, so maybe some madman can make 17 ppm melee nobs with one of those and offhand choppas. Other standouts are 22 ppm klaw/saw + choppa, or for real excess 27 ppm double-saw nobs. Doubt any of those do the job, but it's one of the biggest changes we got.
Painboyz at 60 ppm is a bit more attractive for decently-armed minor character and a small 6+++ bubble. Maybe worth doing if you've got a couple of foot mobs to protect with him, but it's iffy unless you're trying bigger units than are in fashion.
Flash gitz at 20 ppm are still fragile and need a vehicle/bunker to hide in, but 200 pts to double tap a max unit with Showing Off is hell of a lot more interesting than 250 was.
The Gork/Mork superheavy walkers are both down 35 ppm, about 10% off. Still don't seem good, but the silly Arks force org chart make sthem less painful to field so maybe we'll see some.
Surprise winner of the update: Killa kans. Going to 30 ppm base makes them very similar to meganobz for melee output point-for-point, and they have some shooting (which keeps right on working in melee) to boot. Dropping their rokkits to 10 pts is a lot better too, but still doesn't impress me as efficient. Stick to either 30 ppm big shoota kans or 35 ppm skorcha kans and try them in place of a meganob unit and see how it works out. Take them in groups of five and pray to Gork (or possibly Mork) when it comes to morale, you want that extra attack from Scrag 'Em to last a bit but going to six just rewards blast weapons too much and you really aren't all that tough. AT tends to overvalue ramshackle quite a lot given how few attack profiles it actually helps with.
for tournament players nothing changes much, for my ork friend hes excited to run both nauts again and flash gits marching out of cover and blasting stuff
Can we get orks few decent choices outside of goffs please :/
Deathskulls are great
What did you mean by troops aren't going to be a requirement anymore? I didn't hear it mentioned until I jumped to the tau section.
Seems GW sold all their overstock of Tyranids so now it's time for a heavy smack from the nerf-hammer...
BTW the Detachment changes for things like Dark Angels and Drukhari are in their respective FAQs which were updated today.
For dark angels and knights yes but drukhari didn't get new faq
The unit with literally flamer in name lost its flamer ability 🫠
probably for the best though 😂
Pretty sure Archons also got a stealth buff, as their equipment appears to be free now. The usual way to run them was Huskblade + Blast Pistol, so that frees up 10 points. Really not sure what to make of that, since it was a unit you saw in practically any army... but then they up the price on the Haemonculus, which was already almost never taken and people just brought Drazhar in their Coven Patrols...
Cool the gear is free though still not worth taking in a Y’nnari army
This nerfs Tyranids to a point of equivalent or pre 8th edition obscurity. What horseshit is this?
Love da new intro animation. Nice work!
It's been interesting seeing GW attempting to correct for codex creep.... instead of, perhaps, going in the direction of one page rules iteration on balance.
If only they would actually batch release codices so there is minimal codex creep and they can actually balance things with each other.
@@khinzaw77 That'd be dang nice wouldn't it?
When do forgeworld units get faqs. Are guard forgeworld even playable now?
Emperor's children took a nerf. Thier mark going up 5pts affect the entire army as every unit goes up 5.
They effectively dumpstered them with that nerf alone..
I do not believe it applies to noise marines, according to the munitorum manual, the mark that you upgrade a unit with itself goes up, so units that become slanesh by other means and the noise marines and Lucius do not get the nerf
@@badcompany5132 that only excludes 2 units. Everything else pays for ot
@@anteivcevic2800 An overeaction, the change doesn't effect Lucius, Noise Marines, and any unit that can't take the mark. Other than Terminators and generic HQ's not much that was actually being played was nerfed. Blastmasters didn't get nerfed, Incessant Disdain got boosted, and Adorn the Canvas were both buffed. We can take 4HQ's, including 2X DP or Lords if you want them. Free strategic reserves and daemon allies are also buffs. Now loosing AOC does hurt, but it hurt lots of armies.
@@Fifthmiracle even so. Between 4 hqs and terminator brick, that is 50pts nerf. If you play abaddon with that is 100pts nerf. As an aoc army that is quite a blow since it would be much harder to stay on the board.
Sorry to ask, but where is the ignore ability to prevent wounds update from? I cannot seem to find that in the FAQ, balance dataslate or field manual.
Terminators go down to 33pts with free gear and chaos terminators go up from 33 to 36 and don't gain free gear. Both lose AoC.
Wut...
It's dumb but it's cause of how much you can buff chaos terminators compared to imperial terminators
@@tommychaos3 The points cost is reflective of the model itself no? As said in the video, in order to now get the "best" out of the overcosted unit, one HAS to use those synergies. What a shame.
@bryal so it should be but the only difference between a standard Chaos Terminator and Imperial Terminator is the melee weapon they come with. In a way it does balance out, you get an extra attack and strength for the Accursed weapon -3 ap and 1D and for the power fist you -1 to hit but get double strength, -3 ap and 2D. If you put a barebones squad from each side against each other with no buffs, I'd put my money on the space marine terminators winning. And that's coming from a Chaos player. BUT Imperial Terminators are cheaper and now get free upgrades where as Chaos don't. That doesn't seem fair
Great Video again!
What i personally find best, is the huge Point decrease for FirstBorn Marines. With all all upgrades includes most are at some 33% discout. You can now easily field a 2750 points FirstBorn for 2000.
LongFangs with Terminator Guard ist now 149 instead of 250, scouts in general are now 60pts per squad with all their toys and, besides the Flyer nerf, both SpaceWolf Flyer are down to 225 from 300 and 320!
I really like it to have an alternative, now that my Tyranids are going back to the shelves again!
Yeah, because people were running HG so much with the new codex they had to raise their points
Everyone else getting cheap/free wargear? Cool. Raise the tyranids. Fair
I get the tyrant and zoanthropes. But who was running mass carnifexes? It doesn't make any sense
@Midnight Coup "we want people to run horde" also "we nerfed the horde supporter/generator
15 pts extra in both Warriors AND their fast attack brothers seem overkill, hilarius. Carnifexes could have done with a 5 to 10 pts extra?, At least on screamer killers. The normal one was fine
Gw Hayes carnifexes apparently. They hit old one eye too 😢
@@superkamigoru No, GW hates Tyranids in general. They probably sold all their overstock and then slapped them with the heaviest nerfs they could get away with.
@@austinstewart7601 they hate quins more
Wait I didn’t see the armor of contempt change in the balance data sheet. What page is it on?
I am so happy with the GSC updates, this is a big buff for us and I couldn't be happier
For the most part I agree, but abberants still are not worth 27 points. They really should be 20-25
@@oblivionfan345Tony I have to disagree, they're good anti-tank and if you run twisted helix and apply the right buffs they can become absolute monsters in melee and especially against vehicles so 27 is a good cost
As a Nidz player, I just want to play the Warrior models I built with swords back in 8th edition without feeling like they are overpowered or they are trash. The swords are good, and should cost extra... but a pair of them at 10 pt per model? Yikes.
Do we honestly, deep down think that CSM terminators deserved that heinous treatment they received?
No. They went after the unit instead of going after the shit being used to buff them.
I have a serious question that I would like an answer to if anyone is in the know. Why does GW seem to hate Chaos Marines so much. They've made us suck since 5th edition. Then we have this new rules update. Marines appear to be getting all sorts of help. CSM? We lose Armor of Contempt, we don't get to choose our doctrine, our points are going UP, we don't get free wargear and our best mark even went up. For those of us that play Slaanesh, every unit in our army went up at least 5 points. Wow, Chaos is sure going to kick butt now...
Legionaries get free wargear. Losing Aoc is going to hurt. Vehicles got slight buffs as they don't pay for kist warhead now. Its a bit if a mixed bag. But yes....marines hot lots of love
I worked for GW for 7 years and spoke with lots of people who work in the studio and some of the actual designers of the original game. In depth over dinner and drinks on some occasions so let me tell you on good authority why GW hates Chaos so much:
I honestly have no idea.
@@patrickhuffman9632 I have played since the middle of 2nd edition. Up through 4th,CSM were THE bad guys. We were the one opponent that worried other players. Now they just take stuff away. I really don't understand why our list has to get worse.
They hate quins more
Quite a lot here to Digest! Love your work mate!
Well everything in tau bar the units nerfed were struggling. Would have been nice if some other units were compensated with a few point changes to make them more viable.
I agree. Crisis suits are the only reliable way to deal good damage. Riptides with the ion accelerator are okay, but taking mortals on an already squishy unit isn't great. Broadsides can't benefit from any buffs, which makes them extremely swingy. Stealth suits cost too much, Breachers in Devilfish cost too much, Strike Teams aren't great, Hammerheads are extremely swingy, Skyrays are expensive for what they do, Ghostkeel are way too expensive, Piranhas are useless, fliers were just nerfed hard, Stormsurges cost a ton and aren't that tough. IDK. Crisis suits and Kroot spam was the majority of my army, not because I like those units, but because they are the only really effective non-HQ units in the codex.
@@delilahfox3427 You don't take mortals from the Riptides nova reactor any more. It just has the chance to burn out the more the Riptide gets damaged now.
And lo the cry was heard form the workshop of games as they once again slashed space marine points costs. The cry was "Will SOMEONE please by these reivers!!"
Another banger from Auspex Tactics, thanks for the consistent quality content.
We all knew that Armour of Contempt was stop-gap solution to codex creep, so I'm not surprised it's going away. I'm more excited about the points reductions for my Black Templars and Space Marines armies because I can squeeze more units into my lists.
TBH I'm kinda sad about Intercessors dropping to 90 points because I thought them being 100 points was the perfect unit of measurement to balance all other units around -- but that hasn't really worked out in practice so I suppose it's for the best the Space Marines have an overall points reduction whereas the dominant armies, i.e. Tyranids, increase in points.
Also, I'm somewhat ambivalent to the changes to Necrons because I didn't like how dominant the Custom Dynasty was in the meta. I'm also eager to fit in more units into my Necrons armies, especially Warriors and Tomb Blades. But I'm disappointed that only the Doomsday Ark received a points reduction and not the Doomstalker; and I wish that Reanimation Protocols were improved for multi-wound units because the all-or-nothing rule basically makes it impossible for 3+ wound models to resurrect.
And I'm going to have to drop some models from my Votann lists. Oh well.
Tyranid player here. I feel like the Spore mine change ruins tyranids for me. When they changed make you pay for them ahead, all they do is make it so your paying extra for a body that can be wiped off. It was the reason i never liked tervigon in last edition. And more nerfs. This is the 3rd, 4th round. Its getting disheartening. Think i will store them til next edition
Dude 10pts per spore Is like, why even bother make rules for them. I think a 3 pts per model was fair
Yeah it's ridiculous. And this is a big nerf to Tyranids
Agreed. Pretty lame. Spore mines are some of my favorite pieces
Using mines to deal some MWs, or choke points around the map are fine. Summoning 30 to cloud the map every turn and preventing foward advancement, while the rest shoots you or corrals you is why the change.
@@seancherry113030? 6 from Sporocyst, 6 from double Harpies and up to 9 (3d3) from Biovores... it's still alot I agree but limiting the spawning to just one unit per army per turn would be a better idea than mines costing Reinforcement points
I'm slowly trying to get into the actual table top and have a question, what does it mean when a unit gains or losses CORE?
'Core' is one of the unit keyword; typically, there are a lot of buffs for core units by characters, though it varies by army
Most codexs have some HQs which grant rerolls on 1s to Core units within 6', or the Chapter Master Rerolls, also targeting Core
core is a keyword which allows command abilities and strategems to be used on them. A lot of strategems for example will say: pick a core unit and give it some sort of buff. This is the same for certain character unit abilities that can give nearby core units rerolls on attacks or feel no pain and so on. Some psychic powers can only be used on core units as well.
My Iron Warriors are at a 40% win rate. I'm not a competitive player, but I certainly hope they get at least a *little* better. It sucks having an army on the bottom that you've put a ton of time and money into.
I don't see how they're going to be doing any better. AoC and their legion trait both took a nerf. No buffs to Daemon engines either.
lol, certified iron babies moment. My Fists list just got room for 500 more points of pure ass-whopping
Sorry, I run IW and Fists, but 9th is not friendly for either of them right now. Fists got a boost from the points cuts and the new secondaries for Space Marines give us options, but they aren't nearly as good as others.
Iron within, iron without.
Hey atleast iron warriors can now kill space marines abit easly now by ignoring cover and still have this mini-armor of condempt rule. Running mark of tzeentch on legionaries and chosen with chaos icons just to boost ap for range weapons will perhaps make this a game changer for them.
I really hope one day to go to a convention and watch a panel that’s just you giving a powerpoint presentation.
Imperial Fists spamming Heavybolters might be a thing now.
Heavy weapons in general, they got +1 DMG on everything S7 or higher while in devastator doctrin
8:44 that might could be a cool universal rule for every faction and army, though I guess it might be better for the elite marines?
This dataslate really stings. I just finished spending at least 100 hours converting a thunderhawk into a totally corrupted chaos monstrosity, and it is basically unusable now. My secondary army behind CSM is Tyranids, so really nothing to be excited about here. Kind of feels like a kick in the teeth after so many years of chaos being noncompetitive and finally having a book that made me excited to field them.
I bash built a techmarine on attack bike back in 3rd when you could just do it for points, loved the outcome when all was done. He sits now collecting dust--hasn't been legal in forever and I don't have the heart to butcher it up. Feelsbadman.
I dislike how they make wargear upgrades free for more stuff, since most options are not sidegrades it reduces the variety of actually useful stuff
its more the opposite for tau now that troops will be most optional krisis will be even used more then before cause they still are the best unit of the tau codex beside the commander and sunshark sad for allthe other units they just getting less used. GW still dont know how to intern balance the tau codex....
The video we've all been waiting for.
I don’t like how they handled space marines seems like a bad way to compensate them for durability.
Deathwatch vets are 27 pts per model now. Thank you very much, GW, my bolters are combimeltas now and every 10s is a blackshield (still bad but hilarious)
Also all my shotguns and stalkers are now costing me 7points instead of 0.
What were they thinking ?
Guard seem really overpowered now. Was half expecting the adittional AP on their órders to be changed with aoc gone, aswell as Lemán russes suffering fron at least a 15 pts increaae but oh well, ITS their turn i guess
They'll get the Tyranids treatment shortly, don't get too excited 😊
With the huge buff to the finial of nemrodesh 1st enabling affected targets to ignore -1 DAM, all units are going to be a little fucking dumb
They just got their Valkyrie and artillery completely nerfed to the point there's no use taking them now.
My iron hands just got even better haha. I may finally pull the trigger on a repulsor.
How do you think they’ll rework the Combat Doctrines for Deathwatch? We get to pick then keep, or just screw us for being the middle children of Astartes?
Deatchwatch ability overwrites this change, so nothing changes for DW
@@aligaterr5137 which is worse for Deathwatch because now we can’t just stay in our preferred Doctrine all game like other Astartes. So much for being “elite” Space Marines 🤷♂️
@@DPWEWHD yeah...