For me, there's one major good thing about Prince Derek. He sets up Rogers for a perfect stinger: "You should write a book: How to offend women in 5 syllables or less!" That's the main line I remember from this movie more than a decade later! Rogers, truer words were never spoken.
I hope that book is also sent to Prince Florian from Snow White (unless they miraculously make him a lot better in the remake) and Prince Charming (before A Twist in Time between 1949 and 2007). But of course, they wouldn’t even control their big tempers so they would rip these books more than a certain other Disney Prince after them (Prince Adam. The Beast, not He-Man) because they don’t want to be even constructively criticized.
@@kieranstark7213 the only thing is, they barely had lines. And Prince Florian sang "One Song" and the Reprise and that was all. As for Prince Charming, he *yawns* at a girl he's introduced to to dance with. Dang! He went for the record. Offensive with absolutely no syllables required! At least Derek went for 4 out of the 5-syllable limit!
I don't think hating prince Derek ist irrational, he literally couldn't think of any other positive thing than "you're pretty" about Odette. Really dude? Especially since they spent every single summer of their life together. Their falling in love never sat right with me, even at the end of the movie, there just wasn't enough reason for him to suddenly risk his life for her, except awakened hormones maybe. That's attraction, not love.
Throughout their childhood they didn’t like each other…. Why did ofette fall in love with Derek? Nothing in that lot age showed them falling in love or liking each other
When Nostalgia Critic did his review of the movie he pointed out that exact point that Derek couldn't think of any other reason why he wanted to marry Odette apart from "She's pretty" lol 😆
And there's NOTHING that changes the relationship between that and Odette being all like "Derek and I were meant to be and he's going to come find me and save me"
He's been shown to not be that bright, I mean he lost to poker to Odette even when he was cheating...but his friend isn't the brightest either. I guess it's like they say, birds of a feather flock together.
Especially due to the fact that swans can be rather bad-tempered bastards at times. Just look at the Greek myth where Zeus impregnated a woman in the form of a swan.
I always found people that wanted someone "as beautiful as a swan" always assumed swans are as majestic and kind as they are beautiful, so they expect that personality and beauty in the person they were interested in. WRONG. Swans are aggressive, protective of their home/property/food and will kill not just scare bc they mf can.
He made a mistake that he regrets. Also his Mom and Odette’s father wanted them to make a decision together but tried to have them fall in love so they can get married. If the arranged marriage was official they would have forced Derek and Odette into marriage. But when Odette said no despite all of those years trying to have them close so that they can fall in love they don’t go through the marriage because at the time they thought it be bad. That’s why Derek did what he did till Odette said no.
Derek never really redeemed himself in the movie, he never apologized or learned his lesson. He liked Odette for her looks and literally never changed that part of himself.
I always thought it was weird that this whole plot point never has a payoff and Odette kinda just... gets over it. It's like they tried to have a Jasmine "I am not a prize to be won!" moment but forgot the part where Aladdin is supposed to learn a lesson and grow as a character later in the film.
What they SHOULD have done is right at the very end switch the evil woman's and Odette's looks so he would have choose his princess based of off who he REALLY loved, and not just beauty. Because even though he did say he liked those other qualities at the end, it felt so fucking empty given just how little he seemed to actually care about her throughout the movie. Like, he was definitely OBSESSED, but he never really showed how he loved her for HER as much as the idea of her.
I honestly think the reason Odette is sure they were meant to be is because that literally all she was told since a child, and it's possible the only guys she's had in her life her own age was Derek and his friend. . She's just finally given into what she's been told and pushed into thinking. It is sad that throughout it, Odette seemed to always be the one *trying* to hang out with them, while they were always doing things to stop from doing it.
SERIOUSLY! I see people trying to say that Odette is mutually shallow, but she was at least TRYING as a kid! I'm sure she would have come up with more than just handsome if he asked, but it never came up because Derek was a dick! You can't claim Odette was equally shallow when they never showed her acting like that!
@Rach I wouldn't say gaslit, more like she just came to accept that in Medieval times, that she was a key to uniting two kingdoms and consoledating power in a potential heir. As tragic as it is, it's just how it was back then and even now in some parts of the world.
though i do think it was odd she was all 'we are meant to be' and had that much faith he'd come for her whenshe just broke up with him(sortof) and the last thing he said was shallow line about 'what else is there'.....I feel like it could have worked better if she doubted him because she was upset at him being dumb and being stubborn about not needing his help...maybe assume he would get paired off with some other pretty person...only to be surprised that derek HADN'T give up on her and had been trying to look for her and plan a bit. as contrasting everyone else who was giving up and his mom who waslooking for more candidates... him choosing to continue to look for her was the first time they weren't being forced to by the mom and dad. something to build up that its their choice now...I still kindof wish they had her face 'why do i like derek' thing to. like I understand he messed up bad with his answer...but i don't really see her liking derek for more than his looks either to be honest.
This is how you make Enemies to lovers wrong- also, how was she able to forgive him so quick after all that bullying he did to her- also...WHY IS HE OBSESSED WITH SWANS?! Like...that could trigger Odette's PTSD
Did we watch the same movie, because bullying??? The only thing you can try to claim was bullying was when he didn’t let her in his fort, but then she kicked it down so
Dereck wasnt a great character but I also have the slight suspicion that he could have ended up curing cancer and it still wouldnt have redeemed him in Sophias eyes after his little commentary.
Only redeeming quality is that the actor was the longest playing phantom of the opera, even before I discovered Poto I always loved his singing voice 😅
@@SophiaPhannn not necessarilly, he is still a likable character in his own right if you can admit it in your inner soul regardless of the resentment or something, right?, plus happy birthday
@@scoutart1508 Not really. I liked him for what he was (a one dimensional love interest), but it makes total sense that people would completely dislike him. He never actually answered the question of why he “loved” her and just stayed in the heroic prince role and nothing more throughout the movie. He only really had 3 positive interactions with her and they were all based in physical attraction. Like I get it, limited run time, they can’t go super in depth, but like…there was absolutely nothing there. Even I can admit that as someone who finds them cute as a couple.
@@SophiaPhannn As will the franchise in general that oBlu got worse and worse from the original to the first two sequels to the rest of the franchise when they moved on to CG (and not even the kind that is actually interesting to look at. Just plastic AF)
Rothbart: I want my rule to be legitimate so I'll marry the heir to the throne. Also Rothbart: I'm going to murder the king and hope anarchy doesn't occur while I try to get Odette to marry me. Like his plan makes so little sense that I question how no one in the writers room was like "Hey I have this list of plotholes maybe we should address."
Sort of like Scar waiting around until after Simba is born to enact his plan. MAYBE he needed time to butter up the hyenas, but still. The time for some brother killin' was long before the little hairball was born.
Also, Odette just never returns to her kingdom. She's saved, marries Derek, and that's it. The kingdom Rothbart killed the king and kidnapped the princess to get? Never mentioned or shown again. Instead, Odette stays in Derek's kingdom, she never even returns to her own. What are we supposed to think happened to Odette's kingdom? Did it fall apart? Was it taken over? Did some other royal ascend to the throne? This movie did not care for the fate of that kingdom, lol
also even if rothbart was able to marry odette, he wouldn’t be able to become king. He would end up being a prince-consort, and unless the queen or the court decides to make him king (which probably would NEVER happen) then he’s just stuck as a prince-consort and his plan ultimately fails
The "What else? Is beauty all that matters to you?" scene was seared into my mind and for good reason. Know your worth my dudes, gals, and nonbinary pals
Things Derek could have said instead of "what else is there": You're smart, kind, funny, tough as nails, and you've been patient enough to put up with my foolish and rude behavior all these years without dumping me in the lake beside your castle. In short, you're an amazing, beautiful person, inside and out.
those things wouldn’t be true because it’s clear that those were attributes he didn’t like in her when they were children. The same way she wouldn’t be able to answer that question if she was asked, because they didn’t like any of these attributes in one another as they grew up. It would simply come off as, now that I think you’re beautiful, these things I didn’t like about you, are now things I do like about you simply because you’re beautiful. Which proved Derek right. Who cares about anything as long as you’re beautiful
@@rosesweetcharlotte amen. He'd still be an idiot, but of the tongue-tied variety, instead of the shallow asshole variety. He'd love her for her, he'd just be too nervous about her reaction to think straight and say it. Which is, in its own way, kinda sweet and cute. But, no. He just left it at, "What else is there?" What an idiot.
I remember someone trying to defend Prince Derek by saying that Odette is the same; she is shallow and only fell for Derek when he became hot (or what I assume is supposed to be hot; I never found him attractive in the slightest). But her lyrics literally state otherwise: 'I see him smiling and my knees start buckling; I see inside him and my doubts have gone'. She sees *inside* him and saw he'd matured beyond his 'Eww, cooties!' phase in life, and when she saw that she realised he was ready for love. His lyrics consist only about her looks: 'She started out as such an ugly duckling; and somehow suddenly became a swan'. Nothing about inner beauty or maturity; he just likes that she's pretty, as if she hadn't been beforehand.
This is the gaslighting: he bullies you because he likes you. The film makers of this movie tried to brainwash young girls to make them become easy preys for predators like those guys
I remember this movie had such an impact on me for pointing out that beauty isn’t everything.. but it falls so flat because of Derek! Odette has absolutely no reason to have any positive feelings towards him. He literally bullied her their entire lives, but that’s somehow redeemed because… he learns to love her? The message ends up being “true love is when he loves you for you, no matter who he is or what he’s done.” The bar went from mutually shallow attraction to a woman should be happy as long as a man actually sees her as a person, and she will still love him even when he doesn’t. The worst part is that that’s basically where the bar is in real life, so it’s really just a reflection of heterosexual love as it is instead of the portrayal of a healthy ideal that they tried to make. I mean, how many of us can relate to Odette pining for the guy who treats her like crap just because he showed the least bit of interest? I know I can. So in a dystopian way, this is more realistic than most romantic movies for kids. And writing that out, romantic movies for kids is already a really creepy concept :’) why are we like this?
Ofette was never pining for Derek until he became an adult and attractive to her.. throughout their childhood she was never pining for him.. what, besides his looks, did odette fall in love with.. that’s why I don’t understand this hate for Derek. Neither of them had any reason to love one another. All they had was that they mutually agreed the other was attractive. It was an arranged marriage, what more did they need to be honest, if years of childhood couldn’t make them fall in love, but seeing one another as attractive did
I was with you until you claimed it to be a reflection of heterosexual love. Not all men act like this, and a significant amount of women also act like this. This dynamic isn't specific to a particular sex. Pinning on someone who doesn't appreciate you as much as you appreciate them and who treats you like crap reflects you probably have some issues to work on.
@@uMaud I absolutely have a lot of stuff to work on, just like Odette! Of course it’s not going to apply to every man, woman or couple ever, that’s the thing about generalizing. This is just one extreme of a larger spectrum of heterosexual love that a lot of us have learned to idealize. The question is how common it is and what messages we are fed in general, because the fact that a lot of us function this way isn’t just because of some inherent flaw in our personality, it’s taught. Like I said, it’s an extreme, but we don’t exist in a vacuum. I really hope I’m just being cynical for thinking this is more common than what, say, Rapunzel and Eugene has.
I don't think Odette's love was as shallow as Derek's attraction towards her. As children, she was obviously the one trying to make an effort to bond with him every summer even though he acted so miserable around her. By the time they're teenagers, she even seems to have started finding it fun to mess with him. And maybe she had thought more deeply about why they could be a well-matched couple if only he treated her better - hence why her "doubts" melt away when he seems to finally put their longstanding rivalry aside and begin acting like a gentleman. If they had Odette tell her father why she was so disappointed, or explain to her animal friends why she's still hopeful about being rescued and reminisce on some of Derek's kinder moments as a child right before she breaks out into Far Longer than Forever, her pining would make a lot more sense, even if it was simply a coping mechanism for her awful situation. Also, when Derek and Odette reunite, it would be nice if Derek apologized and asked Odette if she's still mad at him for being an idiot, and she sort of laughs it off saying that he's always been an idiot - showing that she still found a way to love him despite their constant bickering. And then Derek could properly reciprocate because he realizes he doesn't really deserve someone who is so forgiving and sweet as her. Just a little more character development would go a long way in making their love for each other make more sense, imo.
The enemies-to-lovers trope went harder in the 90s than the fake dating trope is right now. They went way too far with it in this movie because they made Derek so antagonistic and put all the actual pining on Odette who was just having a normal reaction to such an immature creep. It's very imbalanced and bizarre bcs what writer thought a prince that behaved like the annoying little prick across the street that had 'No Girls Allowed' on his treehouse and only got "better" when the hormones kicked in would be romantic to little girls? I HATED those boys lol
I always disliked this too, like Odette just wanted to hang out with Derek and his friend growing up, but they were too busy being little pricks. Like yeah, to a certain age, boys are little pricks to girls. But as a girl who had a lot of male friends growing up, it always sat wrong with me. Boys and girls can get along, it's not always antagonistic. But I guess it was that way for "comedy" in the 90's. Anyway, it would have been more realistic for Derek and Odette to have an antagonistic beginning but then maybe soften a little, go through some rough patches as puberty starts to then be reluctant "lovers" to true lovers as when Odette is kidnapped, Derek wants to save his friend that he is adamant that he "doesn't have feelings" for, but then ends up catching feelings. Odette being the one waiting on Derek could be then seen as "he's my friend, of course he's going to save me." While she's powerless due to a spell that keeps her teathered to the castle even when in human form, despite having more freedom as a swan. idk, spitballing ideas.
Personally, I thought he started to have a crush on her when they were teenagers and that's why he was jealous when she was flirting with the castle guards.
Liz Callaway is the go-to singer when you're knocking off Disney princesses! Not only is she the singing double for Odette and Anastasia, but even Disney uses her when they're knocking themselves off, lol - she sings for Jasmine in the Aladdin sequels and for Simba's daughter.
Well she was the second choice for jasmine originally. She tried out to be a Disney princess for awhile. She also tried to get the part of Belle but didn't make the cut.
@@SrMechaGojira93 No, that's Lea Salonga. You might be thinking of Jasmine, who is usually sung by Lea but Liz stood in for the two sequels. Lea has always done Mulan, though.
Irrational? IRRATIONAL?! This dude had known her since he was like. Four years old or something? Spent every summer with her (being a little brat the whole time I might add) since he was like eight or nine? And he still couldn't think of a SINGLE THING he liked about her besides her looks??? He was conceited, self-important, arrogant, and self-absorbed beginning to end. He's like ARRANGE THE MARRIAGE and they haven't even had a CONVERSATION! He didn't even know her well enough to spot an imposter, and it took her LITERALLY dying for him to think of anything he liked about her besides her face. I l o a t h e Prince Derek and if that's irrational, rationality is overrated! 😂
Like truly, if I were Odette I would have asked him the question again when he found me at the lake. And if he still didn't have an answer? I'm marrying Rothbart, on one condition: he teaches me sorcery so I can light Derek's stupid pageboy haircut on fire.
I don’t usually leave comments but the Swan Princess movies are my all time favorites from childhood!! I absolutely love the opening number from the 1st movie and there are some of my fav musical numbers from the villain songs to the love ballads. Is Derek the best love interest..? No lol but I get so emotional every time I hear him sing Because I Love Her (3rd movie). These movies are so cheesy and funny and I’d highly recommend watching the 2nd and 3rd!!
I've never seen this movie, I only know the Barbie version but after this commentary I firmly believe Odette needs a villain arc after all the bullsh*t she had to endure from the male characters in this movie
At least in the barbie version, Daniel wasn't shallow and judged Odette on her looks. She was a swan when he first saw her. He was like 'What a beautiful swan.' Said swan turns into a girl, he's like 'That's something you don't see everyday," I don't recall Daniel ever once commenting Odette on her looks, they discussed about Rothbart and Odette's curse. He didn't want to leave her because he was genuinely concerned about her safety. Derek, on the other hand, only sees Odette for her looks. She literally asked him if looks were all he cared about and what was his response?🤦
Point 1: I LOVE your hair Point 2: Derek's a dweeb, and BOTH of them were way more interesting as kids Point 3: If the king and queen had wanted to unite their kingdoms, why didn't THEY get married? They obviously get along, his wife is dead, and you never see whether she still has a hubbie, so why not?
On point 3. Probably because the queen couldn't conceive a child by the time they had this plan available. They couldn't just hand the inheritance of the throne to derek or odette individually because that is a recipe for malcontents claiming a royal line is ruling illegitimately. The heir to the throne needed to be descended from both royal lines so it could not be contested. Hence Derek and Odette needed to marry and rule the kingdoms together; producing an heir who would inherit both kingdoms.
@@astralwyrm3787well that plan failed amazing, their only child is adopted and have no own blood childeren. P.s. don't watch the sequels after movie 3, the animation and story's are just making you puke your own guts out, trust me, I wachted only the reaction/review of those movies and I tasted my own stomach like over 2 dozen times 🤢🤮
Prince Derek is what happens when a bunch of non-Disney animators look at Gaston and say "let's do that, but skinnier and stupider and pretend he's good".
I loved this movie as a kid. These days I find it to be... okay? It's not my first choice when deciding on something to watch but if it were to be on TV for some reason I'd watch it. "This is my Idea" is the best and my favorite song of the movie. It's realistic to an arranged marriage situation, it's the only point these characters are the most expressive with personality, and it's catchy. If this was a animated short, you could have had this movie end on that song with the "they lived happily ever after" assumption.
Even when Derek finally says some character attributes he likes about Odette, “kindness and courage” feel sort of like a cop out to me for some reason, like you could use those words to describe so many people.
I think the BIGGEST Problem with this movie is the fact that they make it about "beauty isn't the only reason to marry someone" but never do we see Derek get to know her other attributes as kindness, being smart, courageous ..ets and THEN fall in love with her. Even the audience, we don't even learn anything about Odette! I think it would have been awesome if Derek realized that he messed up big time when he mistakenly vowed love for the black swan JUST because she is beautiful and never realized she wasn't Odette because he didn't spend enough time with her to marry her. They should have left it as an open but optimistic ending, or maybe show us that they got to spend time together and fall in love truly.
It’s odd, like theoretically they SHOULD be a really cute couple? Childhood friends/enemies to lovers?? Oddette and Derek have the makings of all my favorite tropes, but they just…completely butchered it…
The fact that Odette actually tried to be nice at first, and Derek runs away and yet everyone acts like they both were bad is laughable. It’s not rivalry, it’s bullying
I remember watching this movie a few times as a kid. I remember liking the build-up to the final moment when Derek and Odette met as adults. I loved seeing the transition song of them growing up. And then thinking the movie just hit a wall after Derek shot himself in the foot haha. Their chemistry never made sense to me and how they were saying they loved each other when there was no romantic build-up. I watched it wondering if there was something I missed. Now the movie Thumbelina was a good one. I remember fawning SO hard over Prince Cornelius. Might have been my first fan art I ever did as a kid hahaha!!
What’s worse is that they basically were together every summer of their life, they had a good build up at the very beginning, the possible love story was gifted to the writers on a silver platter
In my opinion I really don't get how Odette loved Derek after he said "what else is there?" like idk that never made sense to me-- there wasn't enough scenes showing them slowly working on their relationship in the movie it was just "i HaTe YoU" "I HaTe YoU Too" *fastfoward* "I LoVe YoU OnLy FoR YoUr BeAuTy" "WhAt tHe FudGe?" *storms out angrily* *Odette gets kidnapped* "OmG I LoVe YoU DeReK I mIsS YoU Sm" like💀💀
I feel like it would've been better if they showed a scene of Derek apoligizing to Odette before she left and got kidnapped or worked on fixing their relationship as they were growing from kids to adults like their relationship is the most imporant thing in the movie and they couldn't even make a good backstory for them hating eachother to slowly liking eachother to them loving eachother The movie is supposed to show like an enemies to lovers kind of thing but this movie is more like enemies and still enemies but we are forced to love eachother bcs thats what our parents want so they can combine their kingdoms. Like i am sorry but WHAT MESSAGE IS THIS MOVIE GIVING?-
it also never made sense how Odette while she was kidnapped she said how she missed Derek and sh*t when last time she saw Derek was when he said to her "What else is there?" and like 5 mins later there was the horse carriage scene with her dad talking about what happend and Odette looked pretty upset about what Derek said and all of a sudden when she gets kidnapped she loves him?- its hella confusing for me i kinda feel like Odette just "likes" Derek bcs he was her only hope on escaping💀 i meannn get it girlboss??? PPFTT
Happy Birthday Sophia! And I agree the adult versions of Derek and Odette really didn't line up with their young selves. I wish instead of them instantly loving each other when they saw each other as adults that they had showing them becoming friends from a few summers before and at least writing each other but also Derek not being able to think of a single reason for why he loved Odette made no sense.
the way we harmonized while singing to "this is my idea"? my god, i've never had a partner while singing this song and i feel blessed. also... happy birthday!
What floors me is that, he's literally known Odette for their entire lives, and legitimately struggles to find a non-superficial reason to love her. That, and from their teenage years into young adulthood, Odette seems to have retained none of the wit, confidence, or humor that we saw in This is My Idea. Remember girls, you can be either a person or you can be beautiful - both is not an option.
Probably one of the rare times I enjoyed the sequels more than I did the original (in a "so bad they're good kinda way") - even if the animation quality was higher in the first one. Also the 6+ sequels they made later I have this weird fascination with. Like the Christmas direct-to-video one is just weirdly so enjoyable lol
@@stargirl7646 one too many, it's funny how the quality diminished with each one to the point that this one while not perfect is lion king/beauty and the beast best picture winner at the Oscars quality level
This movie is SO nostalgic to me, and i am glad so many people remember it and talk about it today too, for the pure nostalgia, despite its flaws. Glad you liked it when you were younger too! And i'm glad that me, you, 98% of your viewers and probably everyone who talks about this movie today agree that Derek doesn't deserve Odette. Like, at all. Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOPHIA! It's my birthday too and my name is also Sofia lol
AU version where the death thing was established earlier like if she doesn't make it back to the lake by midnight or whatever, she dies. And Derek continues to be a dumbass and doesn't realize he made the vow for the wrong girl, and Odette finds a way to break the curse herself just before the time limit. She kills Rothbart herself or something. Happy ending is that she takes all his magic books and becomes a super powerful sorceress queen all on her own. Then end. And she uses her magic to make Jean-Bob human.
They could've written it so he didn't accept her good qualities until she became attractive in his eyes. It'd be a powerful commentary. I really hope Disney adapts Swan Lake as a musical, but using the original ballet score.
That is what happens in this movie though. They spent several months together every year so he knew her personality, but he wasn't romantically interested in her until he became physically attracted to her.
I don’t take these characters too seriously for myself rewatching this movie TODAY-it pokes fun at its caricatures-but in the spirit of “hating” Prince Derek: At the end of the movie, he tells Odette he admires her kindness and courage, which seems to speak more to how she supports HIM. How would he know what kindness and courage she demonstrated for others (her best friends, the turtle, frog, and puffin). She’s also smart, clever, and feisty-she beat him at all the games and slyly returned his physical pranks. That Derek keeps around the same halfwitted guy (who is no match to Derek in chess, hunting, or c- c- c- courage) for his friend makes me want to psychoanalyze him.
they did odette so dirty in this movie. not just bc of derek, but like, character-wise she became so BORING. what happened to the odette that flirted with guys, got into fights and stood up for herself? we coulda had a futch icon 😔😔😔
You think that all the bs that she put up with from Derek and his friend as a child would've toughened her up as an adult, but this movie just never gravitated towards that plotline and I honestly think it was a missed opportunity.
Girl, you're not alone! I watched this so many times as a kid and I still love it for the nostalgia factor even though I know better now that it's not technically great. Songs = iconic.
Here’s the thing that gets me lol: if Huberta & William wanted to unite their kingdoms, why didn’t THEY get married? Clearly their spouses are gone (interesting that there wasn’t any grieving for Odette’s mom btw), and clearly they at the very least get along very well. Soooooo yeah why waste this time and drama? Except we wouldn’t have a movie. Sighhhhhh
18:50 In answer to your question, this movie heavily implies that Odette is unable to speak to people in her swan form, and she is the only one who can communicate with the other animal characters (probably a side-effect of the spell). 🤔 However, this is retconned in the sequels. In the first two sequels, Derek, Odette, Bridget (Rothbart’s former henchwoman), and one of the villains are able to fluently communicate with all of the animal characters (which, to be fair, could be explained by either magic, or Odette teaching them how to understand the animals). Then in the CGI sequels, the animals are able to communicate with anyone. 🙄
The issue with this movie, is that odette also had no reason to fall in love with Derek either. Like, if someone asked her that same question, what would she say??? Because they didn’t fall in love through their childhood. That’s why binding fully understand the hate for Derek. Sure he’s the one who said it out loud, but she only fell in love with him because of his looks too.. she wasn’t in love with him when he was younger and was hoping he would fall in love with her too. And then it was an arranged marriage that neither wanted in the first place.. why do people out so much on Derek, when his answer made sense lol
If I got you an audition for a Disney princess would you take it? Your singing is so enchanting.. would love to subvert the "Asian female protagonist with dyed hair and strong ties to family" trope again since Turning Red was great
In Derek's defense when he says: what else is there, it was because he realized he was in love with her always but he couldn't articulate why, and he was hoping that she would help him to understand. And that's why when it was brought up again he goes well there's her... and then the way... she literally took his breath away. It is possible to love a person just by seeing them. If you don't believe me explain a mother's love for her newborn child. The child hasn't accomplished anything yet and yet she already loves her child instinctively. I think that was what Derek was trying to say, that he always loved her instinctively deep down but he never realized it until he saw how beautiful she was, and he expressed his love for her in her beauty. He says: you started out as such an ugly duckling, but somehow suddenly became a swan. In the story of The Ugly Duckling the duckling was always a swan. In other words she was always beautiful to him but he never realized it until now.
6:46 I would like someone that doesn’t say “Your handsome” the first time we talk I want them to go “Your so funny” or “Your so smart” PERSONALITY IS KEY, Even my ex said “I like you because of your laugh and smartness when you try to be” now that’s a person with personality
"You should write a book, how to offend a woman in five syllables or less." Is still one of my favorite lines. Lord Rodgers had the best lines hahahaha
Dereck sucks, but Odette is so shallow as well, like she was going heartbroken home not beliving he loves her and literally 5 minutes later she has a solo declaring her everlasting love to him and beliving in him. Their love story sucks. They had good build up to go from hate to love but the whole way got cut short just because they both got hot
I'm really trying to think of how no one could say Rothbart's name throughout the film. I was waiting for a whole scene or explanation if there was some sort of enchantment or spell that made sure no one could say his name (reverse-Beetleguise) so he'd never be caught. BUT OF COURSE THE FILMMAKERS FORGOT THAT PART APPARENTLY, OR ELSE SOPHIA WOULD'VE POINTED IT OUT. 😫 Edit: I couldn't help but think about the frog honestly. Like 1) as much as he loved Odette, Odette never loved him. Like you probably need true love's kiss and not just a kiss from a princess to break the spell. Duh. and 2) In one version of The Frog Prince, the frog never got kissed to be turned back...he was thrown at the wall by the princess in frustration over all his little menial tasks because he was promised by the princess to help him. Now I'm just thinking of that scenario where (cartoonishly) the frog would just magically get transformed into a prince just by getting thrown at the wall lmao 🤣
It’s so funny how easy it could have been fixed by just adding some conversations during the childhood or just some looks xxx but now u gotta react to the second
You know what would have elevated this film? There being either another prince, love interest or 3rd way where Odette becoming queen without a suitor and improving the kingdom socially and politically. And when she gets her happy ending, show Derek disgraced, salty and sad xD
Fun fact: Richard Rich was a Disney Animator and then he was fired from Disney in the mid 80’s because Peter Schneider who was Vice President of Disney Animation at the time had issues with him. Liz Callaway also did the singing voice for Jasmine for The Return of Jafar and Aladdin and The King of Thieves and the singing voice for Kiara in The Lion King II Simba’s Pride
From what I understand of the situation, he was fired because of the massive flip that was The Black Cauldron…which itself suffered from massive Executive Meddling to the point Jeffrey Kratzenburg personally cut out several minutes of film in the cutting room after a test screening resulted in several crying children and parents complaining about the film being too scary. Ironically enough, the failure of The Black Cauldron and subsequent mumblings about the animation department being shut down is what convinced the animators left to bring their A Game to the next project, The Great Mouse Detective. It was just enough of a success (despite An American Tail coming out that same year) that executives had enough confidence to put more money into the animation department, which led the way to the Disney Renaissance of the late 80’s to the end of the 90’s. So yeah, thank Richard Rich and Don Bluth for getting the ball rolling.
“Is see him smiling and my knees start buckling. I see inside him and my doubts are gone.” “SHE STARTED OUT AS SUCH AN UGLY DUCKLING” The difference is…..
The chokehold this movie series had on me as a kid... I swear all i watched was this, Anastasia, and Quest for Camelot. though i gotta admit i was falling hard for Derek when i was young
@@clojcloj Garrett, Dmitri, and Derek all had such strong chokehold on me 😂 especially when i found out Garrett was voiced by Wesley from The Princess Bride
This movie needs a major rewrite And Luckily I have a fool proof revision idea To make it more logical I thought of this as a mini series format or novel series Volume 1 could be them as children being enemies to eachother as well as a portion of volume 2 where they are pre teens The rest of volume 2 and a portion of volume 3 where they are teenagers could be them being frenemies (not actual friends but at the point where they actually start to respect each other) Then the rest of volume 3 could be them finally becoming best friends (maybe friends with benefits hey they're going through puberty we might as well have some benefits going on) Then volume four is where they are at the actual age they are in the movie where they're actual lovers with real chemistry
No, but I swear Derek gets WORSE in the second movie. Odette sings a whole song about how he doesn’t love her anymore and doesn’t spend any time with her.
I like this movie (for nostalgic reasons) but I really wished they established the relationship/childhood enemies to crush thing better! Like "This Isn't My Idea of Fun" is my favorite song and basically the only thing I continue to remember from this film years later
Why does the “The vow I made was for heeeerrrrr!” Gave me “My name’s not RIIIICK” vibes 😂 The fact that necklace went over the hair, soon after, it’s under the hair. 💀 Okay it’s either the queen had dementia or was immune to the spell with some contrivance, or the dress was oozing of modernism that it made her confused af.
I'm realizing this movie does a lot of telling us Odette and Derek are in love rather than showing us that they are, which isn't as effective. First song is still a banger though.
I love the music in this movie, Prince Derek always pissed me off as a kid with how he treated Odette and his servants. He still pisses me off now but child me was more upset because I thought fictional characters were real people lol
My favorite clip was during the "My idea of fun" Uberta talks about how they're getting along, while Odette is trying to strangle Derek in the background. I hate how "My Idea of fun" was years worth of development for Odette and Derek, only to be pretty much meaningless throughout the movie. Derek couldn't even think of ways to describe her till the end, and even then we didn't really get to see it that much. Also, why couldn't Odette's father say Rothbart took her, and is using dark magic. Im willing to beleive she started feeling something for him first and was waiting for him to reciprocate, only to be disappointed whith the "What else is there?" line.
Just incase some people are confused as to why we hate Derek but love Odette: They were both told their entire lives that they would be betrothed, that’s one of the main reasons why they liked each other in the first place. Matter of fact, that’s probably the only reason why Odette liked Derek, but we can’t make a proper theory based off of a hunch (Odette’s reaction to Derek’s reason as to why he likes her also disproves this because her reaction was kinda like, “I like you for you, why do you only like me because I’m pretty?) Derek openly stated that he only likes Odette because she’s pretty and no other reason. Not to mention he doesn’t apologize at all despite knowing it upset her and everyone else around them. In short, Derek is douche and doesn’t deserve Odette in the least. She deserves someone who not only likes her because of her beauty, but will love her for her personality and companionship, like me 🫦
I love your singing voice Edit: "Can you say Rothbart?" 😂😂😂😂 That gave off Dora the Explorer vibes Edit x2: I am still convinced that Derek didn't love her for her in the end. I think that he was only attracted to her turning into a swan. He wanted the ball swan centric, her wedding dress was swan themed, and they moved to the swan lake after marrying. The second movie is based around him neglecting her after they got married after she became human.
I HATE DEREK EEUHHHH HE IS SO ANNOYING BRO THAT ONE SCENES “your all I’ve ever wanted,your beautiful,but what else?is beauty all that matters to you?” DEREK WAS SPEECHLESS?BUT WHAT ELSE IS THERE?BRO?
I really miss animation like in older movies like this. I rewatched The Rescuers recently, and man its just gorgeous in such a different way than the computer graphics stuff. That aside, I had forgotten about most of this movie except Odette's transformation scenes. Childhood memory won't let those escape lol.
This movie was so weird! I always wondered why the king and queen didn't just marry. Derek was awful. It was just all so silly. But this makes me want to write a retelling of this story and either redeem Derek somehow or have Odette fall for someone else...
You all hate on Derek. You forget, Odette is guilty of the same thing. She was as man to him as a kid, and suddenly she loves him cause he's handsome. Why was she never asked her reason for calling for him? Turnabout is fair play.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Derek sucks and if the King and Queen or whatever wanted their kingdoms to join, why didn't THEY just do the whole political marriage from the get-go? At least they liked each other, even if it was just as friends.
I’ll be fair, Derek and Odette are a very surface-level couple. 🤷♂️ But I honestly prefer this movie’s consistent lack of nuance, over a movie couple that has an engaging relationship practically gift wrapped for it, and still somehow completely misses the mark. 🤦♂️ Case and point, Kaley and Garret from Quest For Camelot!
Seriously. How do you get "deceased Arthurian knight's daughter and his former mentee with clashing personalities, on a quest to defeat the guy who murdered him" and give us... NOTHING???
@@TheNumnutRandomness Yeah legit the buildup was practically nonexistent, Kayley was absolutely abhorrent to Garrett in this movie. - Legit insulting the man upon first meeting (granted she didn't know he was blind but still, don't be mean to people you just met especially when they saved your life) - Got him killed almost twice for bringing him into her bulls**t plan that she hadn't thought through. - Was a general nuisance to him overall, especially when he had to keep constantly looking out for her in the damn forest since she just wandered aimlessly. I mean Garrett was no better since he was feeding into the fire but I don't blame him, I wouldn't be nice to a bitch that just invaded my house and insulted me either. I feel like the only reason he let her tag along with him after finishing his solo was just because he knew she probably wouldn't go away if he did tell her no. The only scene where I felt they actually shared a moment where they could stand to be around each other was when he was teaching her how to strike at the right moment with his staff. I don't count the damn song where they were singing to each other after Garrett almost bled out to death from getting slashed by Ruber because that moment felt so forced and fake to me since neither of them liked each other up til that point.
@@urmom6701 HE was absolutely abhorrent to HER in the movie HE would've been the nuisance ditch the misogyny pal it's virtually always PROJECTING MALE BS onto the sex getting SHIT ALL OVER since like FOREVER so males ain't "owed" jackshit by nobody ugh! sheesh!
I think the biggest gripe I have with this movie is that the opening song sets up a good Childhood Rivals/Enemies to Lovers storyline and then the movie…just doesn’t go anywhere with it. It’s possible that Odette and Derek did start getting feelings for each other during their summers together(and I think there are a couple hints of that in “This is My Idea”), but the movie seemingly jumps from “I hate you” to “I love you” without us being able to properly see any character development or genuine interactions between the two. So yeah, I think this movie had potential, but just wasn’t able to reach it in terms of both the character and romantic development. (That being said I actually am somewhat fond of this movie despite its many many flaws haha)
I just rewatched this movie and honestly, I think most of the issues of this movie could have been solved with more character introduction. Like why does Odette know the animals already? To us, it seems like she’s only just met them. Also, I think them growing to love each other could also have been a lot better
Call me picky But something that have always confused me is their ages In the scene where Odette is a baby, DEREK IS A FUCKING 4/6 YEAR OLD But when they start meeting each other for their parents they're the same age???
Fact: Howard Mcgillan who was the voice actor Prince Derek in the swan princess (1994) was also best known as playing the title character in the Broadway stage musical of Andrew Lloyd Webber's The PHANTOM of the OPERA
I think maybe Derek’s character would’ve been better if he had a solo during the ✨Practice✨ song, where he sang about how scared he was to tell Odette how he loved her, how she was so intelligent and charming, and how he had to safe his one true love. Idk, you’ve really opened my eyes about how awful Derek is, nostalgia clouded my judgement 🫣.
I can tell you exactly what's worse than "is beauty all there is?" "What else is there?" And it's this. "Why do you want me?" "Because there's no one else who is willing to be with me or do anything with me. you're my only option." (Basically only settling for you bc they considered you literally their only option. There's no reason at all. Not even beauty. It's just they don't think they could get anyone else. So to them their settling for something they don't actually want bc they have no choice -_-)
THIS was my childhood staple, like my older sisters always forced me to do Derek's part in Far Longer than Forever. Now I really see it as a flawed, but still enjoyable film, not to mention the music that drives it. Definitely one of the better Disney-esque films. Also, looking forward to more musical reactions! (cuz girl you could like really SING)
I'm convinced that the only reason I liked this movie as a kid was the music, striking animation, great voice actors, but it was never really the storyline lol.
3:00 I think Rothbart is one of the most underrated animated villain performances. 😎 Granted, there’s not much to his grand plan, and he probably should have had more screen time than he got. But, he has some of the best lines in the movie (second only to Lord Rogers) and he delivers them perfectly in a way that’s both hilarious and threatening!
@@SophiaPhannn Oh, just wait until you see the villains in the sequels! 😏 The villain of the second movie (Clavius) was still at least legitimately funny. But from the third movie onward, they clearly stopped caring all together. 🙄
For me, there's one major good thing about Prince Derek. He sets up Rogers for a perfect stinger: "You should write a book: How to offend women in 5 syllables or less!" That's the main line I remember from this movie more than a decade later! Rogers, truer words were never spoken.
I hope that book is also sent to Prince Florian from Snow White (unless they miraculously make him a lot better in the remake) and Prince Charming (before A Twist in Time between 1949 and 2007). But of course, they wouldn’t even control their big tempers so they would rip these books more than a certain other Disney Prince after them (Prince Adam. The Beast, not He-Man) because they don’t want to be even constructively criticized.
@@kieranstark7213 the only thing is, they barely had lines. And Prince Florian sang "One Song" and the Reprise and that was all. As for Prince Charming, he *yawns* at a girl he's introduced to to dance with. Dang! He went for the record. Offensive with absolutely no syllables required! At least Derek went for 4 out of the 5-syllable limit!
I don't think hating prince Derek ist irrational, he literally couldn't think of any other positive thing than "you're pretty" about Odette. Really dude? Especially since they spent every single summer of their life together. Their falling in love never sat right with me, even at the end of the movie, there just wasn't enough reason for him to suddenly risk his life for her, except awakened hormones maybe. That's attraction, not love.
You said it before I could
Throughout their childhood they didn’t like each other…. Why did ofette fall in love with Derek? Nothing in that lot age showed them falling in love or liking each other
When Nostalgia Critic did his review of the movie he pointed out that exact point that Derek couldn't think of any other reason why he wanted to marry Odette apart from "She's pretty" lol 😆
And there's NOTHING that changes the relationship between that and Odette being all like "Derek and I were meant to be and he's going to come find me and save me"
Yep he was just horny, he didn't love her like the movie tries to convince us lol.
Derek thinking swans are harmless animals is the funniest shit I've seen in this movie other than his sheer audacity
He's been shown to not be that bright, I mean he lost to poker to Odette even when he was cheating...but his friend isn't the brightest either. I guess it's like they say, birds of a feather flock together.
Especially due to the fact that swans can be rather bad-tempered bastards at times. Just look at the Greek myth where Zeus impregnated a woman in the form of a swan.
I always found people that wanted someone "as beautiful as a swan" always assumed swans are as majestic and kind as they are beautiful, so they expect that personality and beauty in the person they were interested in. WRONG. Swans are aggressive, protective of their home/property/food and will kill not just scare bc they mf can.
They are harmless, assholes for sure, but harmless ...
@@Lagi42800 Swans can break your fingers with ease
Why does baby Odette look like one of those mediaeval paintings of babies where they're just little old men with baby proportions?
Omg, I'm dying here 🤣💀
"Arrange the marriage? Bro, you didn't even like her before just now!"
Bro, you didn't even ask her if she wanted that.
arrange the marriage? it's been arranged since he was a sperm!!
He made a mistake that he regrets.
Also his Mom and Odette’s father wanted them to make a decision together but tried to have them fall in love so they can get married.
If the arranged marriage was official they would have forced Derek and Odette into marriage.
But when Odette said no despite all of those years trying to have them close so that they can fall in love they don’t go through the marriage because at the time they thought it be bad.
That’s why Derek did what he did till Odette said no.
ano but they loved each othe anyway
Derek never really redeemed himself in the movie, he never apologized or learned his lesson. He liked Odette for her looks and literally never changed that part of himself.
He did. Otherwise he would've lost all interest as soon as she became a swan.
@@oliviarogers2808 well, he wasn't into zoophilia, that's why he didn't chase after her in swan form
I always thought it was weird that this whole plot point never has a payoff and Odette kinda just... gets over it.
It's like they tried to have a Jasmine "I am not a prize to be won!" moment but forgot the part where Aladdin is supposed to learn a lesson and grow as a character later in the film.
Aromantic Prince Derek confirmed?
What they SHOULD have done is right at the very end switch the evil woman's and Odette's looks so he would have choose his princess based of off who he REALLY loved, and not just beauty. Because even though he did say he liked those other qualities at the end, it felt so fucking empty given just how little he seemed to actually care about her throughout the movie. Like, he was definitely OBSESSED, but he never really showed how he loved her for HER as much as the idea of her.
I honestly think the reason Odette is sure they were meant to be is because that literally all she was told since a child, and it's possible the only guys she's had in her life her own age was Derek and his friend. . She's just finally given into what she's been told and pushed into thinking. It is sad that throughout it, Odette seemed to always be the one *trying* to hang out with them, while they were always doing things to stop from doing it.
SERIOUSLY! I see people trying to say that Odette is mutually shallow, but she was at least TRYING as a kid! I'm sure she would have come up with more than just handsome if he asked, but it never came up because Derek was a dick! You can't claim Odette was equally shallow when they never showed her acting like that!
@Rach I wouldn't say gaslit, more like she just came to accept that in Medieval times, that she was a key to uniting two kingdoms and consoledating power in a potential heir. As tragic as it is, it's just how it was back then and even now in some parts of the world.
to be fair she also beat him up quite a bit.@rach3092
though i do think it was odd she was all 'we are meant to be' and had that much faith he'd come for her whenshe just broke up with him(sortof) and the last thing he said was shallow line about 'what else is there'.....I feel like it could have worked better if she doubted him because she was upset at him being dumb and being stubborn about not needing his help...maybe assume he would get paired off with some other pretty person...only to be surprised that derek HADN'T give up on her and had been trying to look for her and plan a bit. as contrasting everyone else who was giving up and his mom who waslooking for more candidates... him choosing to continue to look for her was the first time they weren't being forced to by the mom and dad.
something to build up that its their choice now...I still kindof wish they had her face 'why do i like derek' thing to. like I understand he messed up bad with his answer...but i don't really see her liking derek for more than his looks either to be honest.
This is how you make Enemies to lovers wrong- also, how was she able to forgive him so quick after all that bullying he did to her- also...WHY IS HE OBSESSED WITH SWANS?! Like...that could trigger Odette's PTSD
Did we watch the same movie, because bullying??? The only thing you can try to claim was bullying was when he didn’t let her in his fort, but then she kicked it down so
Well his friend also threw a tomato at her during This Isn't My Idea ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@BabyGirlTiny so then he's/they're met with absolute fairness for the sexist mysoginstic bullying GREAT!!
@@BabyGirlTiny dude you're kidding? He was literally using slingshots to throw tomatoes at her.
@@PurpleMoonFlute TBH I feel like there's def other stuff happening not shown and he was probably even worse "off screen"/ when no one else was around
Dereck wasnt a great character but I also have the slight suspicion that he could have ended up curing cancer and it still wouldnt have redeemed him in Sophias eyes after his little commentary.
He will always remain despised 🥰
Only redeeming quality is that the actor was the longest playing phantom of the opera, even before I discovered Poto I always loved his singing voice 😅
@@SophiaPhannn not necessarilly, he is still a likable character in his own right if you can admit it in your inner soul regardless of the resentment or something, right?, plus happy birthday
@@scoutart1508 Not really. I liked him for what he was (a one dimensional love interest), but it makes total sense that people would completely dislike him. He never actually answered the question of why he “loved” her and just stayed in the heroic prince role and nothing more throughout the movie. He only really had 3 positive interactions with her and they were all based in physical attraction. Like I get it, limited run time, they can’t go super in depth, but like…there was absolutely nothing there. Even I can admit that as someone who finds them cute as a couple.
@@SophiaPhannn As will the franchise in general that oBlu got worse and worse from the original to the first two sequels to the rest of the franchise when they moved on to CG (and not even the kind that is actually interesting to look at. Just plastic AF)
Rothbart: I want my rule to be legitimate so I'll marry the heir to the throne.
Also Rothbart: I'm going to murder the king and hope anarchy doesn't occur while I try to get Odette to marry me.
Like his plan makes so little sense that I question how no one in the writers room was like "Hey I have this list of plotholes maybe we should address."
90s animated movies rarely cared about plotholes tbh LOOOOL
Sort of like Scar waiting around until after Simba is born to enact his plan.
MAYBE he needed time to butter up the hyenas, but still. The time for some brother killin' was long before the little hairball was born.
Also, Odette just never returns to her kingdom. She's saved, marries Derek, and that's it. The kingdom Rothbart killed the king and kidnapped the princess to get? Never mentioned or shown again. Instead, Odette stays in Derek's kingdom, she never even returns to her own. What are we supposed to think happened to Odette's kingdom? Did it fall apart? Was it taken over? Did some other royal ascend to the throne? This movie did not care for the fate of that kingdom, lol
also even if rothbart was able to marry odette, he wouldn’t be able to become king. He would end up being a prince-consort, and unless the queen or the court decides to make him king (which probably would NEVER happen) then he’s just stuck as a prince-consort and his plan ultimately fails
@@sonadowfangirl30869 wait what?! Why did I never realize this??
The "What else? Is beauty all that matters to you?" scene was seared into my mind and for good reason. Know your worth my dudes, gals, and nonbinary pals
Plumbella reference?
Especially when the guy saying this to you is someone you have known since childhood
A man that calls himself "nonbinary" is still a man.
A woman that calls herself "nonbinary" is still a woman.
You lost me when the biology book flushed itself in the toilet. Last I checked we aren't frogs.
@@drzaius8430 So frogs can be non binary? Awesome!
Things Derek could have said instead of "what else is there":
You're smart, kind, funny, tough as nails, and you've been patient enough to put up with my foolish and rude behavior all these years without dumping me in the lake beside your castle. In short, you're an amazing, beautiful person, inside and out.
those things wouldn’t be true because it’s clear that those were attributes he didn’t like in her when they were children. The same way she wouldn’t be able to answer that question if she was asked, because they didn’t like any of these attributes in one another as they grew up. It would simply come off as, now that I think you’re beautiful, these things I didn’t like about you, are now things I do like about you simply because you’re beautiful. Which proved Derek right. Who cares about anything as long as you’re beautiful
@@BabyGirlTiny in short, Derek isn't just an idiot. He is truly a dick.
i have no idea why i read that as ‘your tough as toenails’ 💀
All they had to do was have him say this anywhere in the movie and it would have fixed everything
@@rosesweetcharlotte amen. He'd still be an idiot, but of the tongue-tied variety, instead of the shallow asshole variety. He'd love her for her, he'd just be too nervous about her reaction to think straight and say it. Which is, in its own way, kinda sweet and cute. But, no. He just left it at, "What else is there?" What an idiot.
I remember someone trying to defend Prince Derek by saying that Odette is the same; she is shallow and only fell for Derek when he became hot (or what I assume is supposed to be hot; I never found him attractive in the slightest). But her lyrics literally state otherwise: 'I see him smiling and my knees start buckling; I see inside him and my doubts have gone'. She sees *inside* him and saw he'd matured beyond his 'Eww, cooties!' phase in life, and when she saw that she realised he was ready for love. His lyrics consist only about her looks: 'She started out as such an ugly duckling; and somehow suddenly became a swan'. Nothing about inner beauty or maturity; he just likes that she's pretty, as if she hadn't been beforehand.
good ol' misogyny with the whole variation of girls/women are just
as bad as if not far worse than guys blah blah blah whatever
Exactly!! Like, she didn’t want to be with Derek bc she thought he was immature and he immediately proved her right with the “what else is there” line
I’m not too sure why anybody would find Derek hot.
Wanna hot character outside of Disney who’s a guy? Dimitri from Anastasia.
This is the gaslighting: he bullies you because he likes you. The film makers of this movie tried to brainwash young girls to make them become easy preys for predators like those guys
@@Rebelheart1985 Anastasia is currently owned by disney
I mean you asking Derek why he likes her, but honestly why exactly does she like him either?? It ain’t his charming personality!
Odette’s taste in men was….. questionable
@@SophiaPhannnyou can say that to Derek too. Considering she wouldn’t be able to answer that question, The same way Derek couldn’t
yesssss
I think it's literally that she feels trapped and needs a guy to rescue her and he's the only one available
I think the only things that Odette would list off about him was the things she *doesn't* like about him.
I think Odette is in love with Derek only because he’s the only guy who was ever expected to marry her. She doesn’t know any better
You're right if she knew better she'd do better
she thinks hes handsome also and they where just ment to be
Derek is just a DOG
I remember this movie had such an impact on me for pointing out that beauty isn’t everything.. but it falls so flat because of Derek! Odette has absolutely no reason to have any positive feelings towards him. He literally bullied her their entire lives, but that’s somehow redeemed because… he learns to love her? The message ends up being “true love is when he loves you for you, no matter who he is or what he’s done.” The bar went from mutually shallow attraction to a woman should be happy as long as a man actually sees her as a person, and she will still love him even when he doesn’t. The worst part is that that’s basically where the bar is in real life, so it’s really just a reflection of heterosexual love as it is instead of the portrayal of a healthy ideal that they tried to make. I mean, how many of us can relate to Odette pining for the guy who treats her like crap just because he showed the least bit of interest? I know I can. So in a dystopian way, this is more realistic than most romantic movies for kids. And writing that out, romantic movies for kids is already a really creepy concept :’) why are we like this?
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Ofette was never pining for Derek until he became an adult and attractive to her.. throughout their childhood she was never pining for him.. what, besides his looks, did odette fall in love with.. that’s why I don’t understand this hate for Derek. Neither of them had any reason to love one another. All they had was that they mutually agreed the other was attractive. It was an arranged marriage, what more did they need to be honest, if years of childhood couldn’t make them fall in love, but seeing one another as attractive did
I was with you until you claimed it to be a reflection of heterosexual love. Not all men act like this, and a significant amount of women also act like this. This dynamic isn't specific to a particular sex. Pinning on someone who doesn't appreciate you as much as you appreciate them and who treats you like crap reflects you probably have some issues to work on.
@@uMaud I absolutely have a lot of stuff to work on, just like Odette! Of course it’s not going to apply to every man, woman or couple ever, that’s the thing about generalizing. This is just one extreme of a larger spectrum of heterosexual love that a lot of us have learned to idealize. The question is how common it is and what messages we are fed in general, because the fact that a lot of us function this way isn’t just because of some inherent flaw in our personality, it’s taught. Like I said, it’s an extreme, but we don’t exist in a vacuum. I really hope I’m just being cynical for thinking this is more common than what, say, Rapunzel and Eugene has.
@@uMaud oh god not the obnoxious "namalt" misogynistic bs
I don't think Odette's love was as shallow as Derek's attraction towards her. As children, she was obviously the one trying to make an effort to bond with him every summer even though he acted so miserable around her. By the time they're teenagers, she even seems to have started finding it fun to mess with him. And maybe she had thought more deeply about why they could be a well-matched couple if only he treated her better - hence why her "doubts" melt away when he seems to finally put their longstanding rivalry aside and begin acting like a gentleman.
If they had Odette tell her father why she was so disappointed, or explain to her animal friends why she's still hopeful about being rescued and reminisce on some of Derek's kinder moments as a child right before she breaks out into Far Longer than Forever, her pining would make a lot more sense, even if it was simply a coping mechanism for her awful situation. Also, when Derek and Odette reunite, it would be nice if Derek apologized and asked Odette if she's still mad at him for being an idiot, and she sort of laughs it off saying that he's always been an idiot - showing that she still found a way to love him despite their constant bickering. And then Derek could properly reciprocate because he realizes he doesn't really deserve someone who is so forgiving and sweet as her.
Just a little more character development would go a long way in making their love for each other make more sense, imo.
Exactly it would give her thank spark of personality she’s had since childhood and their chemistry would pop off and make Derek somewhat likable
Imagine Odette calling Derek an idiot in a very sweet way, kinda gives the couple a little more of chemestry, in my opinion
happy to see another Derek hater. his "she started out as such an ugly duckling" line is the WORST!!!!
I feel so validated 😂🥰
The enemies-to-lovers trope went harder in the 90s than the fake dating trope is right now. They went way too far with it in this movie because they made Derek so antagonistic and put all the actual pining on Odette who was just having a normal reaction to such an immature creep. It's very imbalanced and bizarre bcs what writer thought a prince that behaved like the annoying little prick across the street that had 'No Girls Allowed' on his treehouse and only got "better" when the hormones kicked in would be romantic to little girls? I HATED those boys lol
I always disliked this too, like Odette just wanted to hang out with Derek and his friend growing up, but they were too busy being little pricks. Like yeah, to a certain age, boys are little pricks to girls. But as a girl who had a lot of male friends growing up, it always sat wrong with me. Boys and girls can get along, it's not always antagonistic. But I guess it was that way for "comedy" in the 90's.
Anyway, it would have been more realistic for Derek and Odette to have an antagonistic beginning but then maybe soften a little, go through some rough patches as puberty starts to then be reluctant "lovers" to true lovers as when Odette is kidnapped, Derek wants to save his friend that he is adamant that he "doesn't have feelings" for, but then ends up catching feelings. Odette being the one waiting on Derek could be then seen as "he's my friend, of course he's going to save me." While she's powerless due to a spell that keeps her teathered to the castle even when in human form, despite having more freedom as a swan. idk, spitballing ideas.
He's the real villain of the story.
For real, Derek was like, my MAJOR crush as a kid, and watching it as an adult I went '...huh. well.'
It’s okay, we don’t know any better as kids HAHAHAHA
I'm okay with Derek but your hatred for him has made me laugh too many times in this video. It's like Monty and Rapunzel.
Personally, I thought he started to have a crush on her when they were teenagers and that's why he was jealous when she was flirting with the castle guards.
My biggest crush was Dark Heart from that Care Bears movie
yeah I liked him when I was young as a crush to
Liz Callaway is the go-to singer when you're knocking off Disney princesses! Not only is she the singing double for Odette and Anastasia, but even Disney uses her when they're knocking themselves off, lol - she sings for Jasmine in the Aladdin sequels and for Simba's daughter.
Omg I mentioned that she also sang for jasmine in the Aladdin sequels but I cut it out 😅 she’s great
Well she was the second choice for jasmine originally. She tried out to be a Disney princess for awhile. She also tried to get the part of Belle but didn't make the cut.
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Don’t forget Liz is the singing voice for Mulan
@@SrMechaGojira93 No, that's Lea Salonga. You might be thinking of Jasmine, who is usually sung by Lea but Liz stood in for the two sequels. Lea has always done Mulan, though.
Irrational? IRRATIONAL?! This dude had known her since he was like. Four years old or something? Spent every summer with her (being a little brat the whole time I might add) since he was like eight or nine? And he still couldn't think of a SINGLE THING he liked about her besides her looks??? He was conceited, self-important, arrogant, and self-absorbed beginning to end. He's like ARRANGE THE MARRIAGE and they haven't even had a CONVERSATION! He didn't even know her well enough to spot an imposter, and it took her LITERALLY dying for him to think of anything he liked about her besides her face. I l o a t h e Prince Derek and if that's irrational, rationality is overrated! 😂
Like truly, if I were Odette I would have asked him the question again when he found me at the lake. And if he still didn't have an answer? I'm marrying Rothbart, on one condition: he teaches me sorcery so I can light Derek's stupid pageboy haircut on fire.
I don’t usually leave comments but the Swan Princess movies are my all time favorites from childhood!! I absolutely love the opening number from the 1st movie and there are some of my fav musical numbers from the villain songs to the love ballads. Is Derek the best love interest..? No lol but I get so emotional every time I hear him sing Because I Love Her (3rd movie). These movies are so cheesy and funny and I’d highly recommend watching the 2nd and 3rd!!
I’ve only seen this one 😭
Oh my goodness! I swear, one night on Hulu, my family found like the 7th sequel, it was INSANE. One day I’m gonna marathon it all!
@@SophiaPhannn You've only seen this one and already hate Derek lol. Watch the others and you'll have a LOT more reason to.
Because I Love Her is still one of my favorites and always makes me emotional
@@SophiaPhannn I admit to only watching up to 3rd. I couldn't really go for the change in animation style they did for the other sequels.
I've never seen this movie, I only know the Barbie version but after this commentary I firmly believe Odette needs a villain arc after all the bullsh*t she had to endure from the male characters in this movie
I also only watched the Barbie one it's easily the best swan lake adaptation 🦢
At least in the barbie version, Daniel wasn't shallow and judged Odette on her looks. She was a swan when he first saw her. He was like 'What a beautiful swan.' Said swan turns into a girl, he's like 'That's something you don't see everyday," I don't recall Daniel ever once commenting Odette on her looks, they discussed about Rothbart and Odette's curse. He didn't want to leave her because he was genuinely concerned about her safety. Derek, on the other hand, only sees Odette for her looks. She literally asked him if looks were all he cared about and what was his response?🤦
Point 1: I LOVE your hair
Point 2: Derek's a dweeb, and BOTH of them were way more interesting as kids
Point 3: If the king and queen had wanted to unite their kingdoms, why didn't THEY get married? They obviously get along, his wife is dead, and you never see whether she still has a hubbie, so why not?
On point 3. Probably because the queen couldn't conceive a child by the time they had this plan available. They couldn't just hand the inheritance of the throne to derek or odette individually because that is a recipe for malcontents claiming a royal line is ruling illegitimately. The heir to the throne needed to be descended from both royal lines so it could not be contested. Hence Derek and Odette needed to marry and rule the kingdoms together; producing an heir who would inherit both kingdoms.
@@astralwyrm3787well that plan failed amazing, their only child is adopted and have no own blood childeren.
P.s. don't watch the sequels after movie 3, the animation and story's are just making you puke your own guts out, trust me, I wachted only the reaction/review of those movies and I tasted my own stomach like over 2 dozen times 🤢🤮
Prince Derek is what happens when a bunch of non-Disney animators look at Gaston and say "let's do that, but skinnier and stupider and pretend he's good".
LOL😂
I loved this movie as a kid. These days I find it to be... okay? It's not my first choice when deciding on something to watch but if it were to be on TV for some reason I'd watch it. "This is my Idea" is the best and my favorite song of the movie. It's realistic to an arranged marriage situation, it's the only point these characters are the most expressive with personality, and it's catchy. If this was a animated short, you could have had this movie end on that song with the "they lived happily ever after" assumption.
RIGHT. The kids were so expressive, why were they so boring as adults 😭
Even when Derek finally says some character attributes he likes about Odette, “kindness and courage” feel sort of like a cop out to me for some reason, like you could use those words to describe so many people.
I just feel like you are just saying that just to pick on him.
Everyone has the same thing.
What difference is there?
I think the BIGGEST Problem with this movie is the fact that they make it about "beauty isn't the only reason to marry someone" but never do we see Derek get to know her other attributes as kindness, being smart, courageous ..ets and THEN fall in love with her. Even the audience, we don't even learn anything about Odette! I think it would have been awesome if Derek realized that he messed up big time when he mistakenly vowed love for the black swan JUST because she is beautiful and never realized she wasn't Odette because he didn't spend enough time with her to marry her. They should have left it as an open but optimistic ending, or maybe show us that they got to spend time together and fall in love truly.
I still feel like sawn princess made me realize that being a straight woman ain’t shit bc you’ll just get shacked up to a guy like Derek 😂😅
That’s why y’all shouldn’t settle with a prince DEREK!!!!! Odette thought she slayed with her partner choice 😩
Great point lol! 😂 (though I have to say your typo made me laugh too haha 🪚)
But then there’s women like odette so you ain’t winning either way lmfao
You said it 😂😂
@@BabyGirlTiny proof nonbinary's where it's atttt
It’s odd, like theoretically they SHOULD be a really cute couple? Childhood friends/enemies to lovers?? Oddette and Derek have the makings of all my favorite tropes, but they just…completely butchered it…
The fact that Odette actually tried to be nice at first, and Derek runs away and yet everyone acts like they both were bad is laughable. It’s not rivalry, it’s bullying
I remember watching this movie a few times as a kid. I remember liking the build-up to the final moment when Derek and Odette met as adults. I loved seeing the transition song of them growing up. And then thinking the movie just hit a wall after Derek shot himself in the foot haha. Their chemistry never made sense to me and how they were saying they loved each other when there was no romantic build-up. I watched it wondering if there was something I missed. Now the movie Thumbelina was a good one. I remember fawning SO hard over Prince Cornelius. Might have been my first fan art I ever did as a kid hahaha!!
Thumbelina used to be one of my favorite movies growing up *-*.
What’s worse is that they basically were together every summer of their life, they had a good build up at the very beginning, the possible love story was gifted to the writers on a silver platter
In my opinion I really don't get how Odette loved Derek after he said "what else is there?" like idk that never made sense to me-- there wasn't enough scenes showing them slowly working on their relationship in the movie it was just "i HaTe YoU" "I HaTe YoU Too" *fastfoward* "I LoVe YoU OnLy FoR YoUr BeAuTy" "WhAt tHe FudGe?" *storms out angrily* *Odette gets kidnapped* "OmG I LoVe YoU DeReK I mIsS YoU Sm" like💀💀
I feel like it would've been better if they showed a scene of Derek apoligizing to Odette before she left and got kidnapped or worked on fixing their relationship as they were growing from kids to adults like their relationship is the most imporant thing in the movie and they couldn't even make a good backstory for them hating eachother to slowly liking eachother to them loving eachother
The movie is supposed to show like an enemies to lovers kind of thing but this movie is more like enemies and still enemies but we are forced to love eachother bcs thats what our parents want so they can combine their kingdoms. Like i am sorry but WHAT MESSAGE IS THIS MOVIE GIVING?-
it also never made sense how Odette while she was kidnapped she said how she missed Derek and sh*t when last time she saw Derek was when he said to her "What else is there?" and like 5 mins later there was the horse carriage scene with her dad talking about what happend and Odette looked pretty upset about what Derek said and all of a sudden when she gets kidnapped she loves him?- its hella confusing for me i kinda feel like Odette just "likes" Derek bcs he was her only hope on escaping💀 i meannn get it girlboss??? PPFTT
Happy Birthday Sophia! And I agree the adult versions of Derek and Odette really didn't line up with their young selves. I wish instead of them instantly loving each other when they saw each other as adults that they had showing them becoming friends from a few summers before and at least writing each other but also Derek not being able to think of a single reason for why he loved Odette made no sense.
Thank you hehe 🥰
the way we harmonized while singing to "this is my idea"? my god, i've never had a partner while singing this song and i feel blessed.
also... happy birthday!
I feel that 😭 I’ve never had a duet partner, I’ve always had to sing both parts 😭 and thank you hehe 🥰
What floors me is that, he's literally known Odette for their entire lives, and legitimately struggles to find a non-superficial reason to love her. That, and from their teenage years into young adulthood, Odette seems to have retained none of the wit, confidence, or humor that we saw in This is My Idea. Remember girls, you can be either a person or you can be beautiful - both is not an option.
This is underrated animated movie that people barley talk about.
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING
Probably one of the rare times I enjoyed the sequels more than I did the original (in a "so bad they're good kinda way") - even if the animation quality was higher in the first one. Also the 6+ sequels they made later I have this weird fascination with. Like the Christmas direct-to-video one is just weirdly so enjoyable lol
Aw man people keep saying that the sequels were better, but I’ve only seen this one 😭
@@SophiaPhannn Swan Princess Christmas is such a psychedelic trip 😆🤣🎄
They had sequels? And HOW MANY?! 😳
@@stargirl7646 one too many, it's funny how the quality diminished with each one to the point that this one while not perfect is lion king/beauty and the beast best picture winner at the Oscars quality level
@@stargirl7646 I think there's like 7? I've see up to part 4 I think lol.
This movie is SO nostalgic to me, and i am glad so many people remember it and talk about it today too, for the pure nostalgia, despite its flaws. Glad you liked it when you were younger too! And i'm glad that me, you, 98% of your viewers and probably everyone who talks about this movie today agree that Derek doesn't deserve Odette. Like, at all.
Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOPHIA! It's my birthday too and my name is also Sofia lol
OMG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU TOO SOFIA 🥳
AU version where the death thing was established earlier like if she doesn't make it back to the lake by midnight or whatever, she dies. And Derek continues to be a dumbass and doesn't realize he made the vow for the wrong girl, and Odette finds a way to break the curse herself just before the time limit. She kills Rothbart herself or something. Happy ending is that she takes all his magic books and becomes a super powerful sorceress queen all on her own. Then end.
And she uses her magic to make Jean-Bob human.
“My hatred of Prince Derek is irrational”
Prince Derek: “What else is there?”
No, listen to me, it’s completely rational to hate this man
They could've written it so he didn't accept her good qualities until she became attractive in his eyes. It'd be a powerful commentary. I really hope Disney adapts Swan Lake as a musical, but using the original ballet score.
That is what happens in this movie though. They spent several months together every year so he knew her personality, but he wasn't romantically interested in her until he became physically attracted to her.
I don’t take these characters too seriously for myself rewatching this movie TODAY-it pokes fun at its caricatures-but in the spirit of “hating” Prince Derek: At the end of the movie, he tells Odette he admires her kindness and courage, which seems to speak more to how she supports HIM. How would he know what kindness and courage she demonstrated for others (her best friends, the turtle, frog, and puffin). She’s also smart, clever, and feisty-she beat him at all the games and slyly returned his physical pranks. That Derek keeps around the same halfwitted guy (who is no match to Derek in chess, hunting, or c- c- c- courage) for his friend makes me want to psychoanalyze him.
they did odette so dirty in this movie. not just bc of derek, but like, character-wise she became so BORING. what happened to the odette that flirted with guys, got into fights and stood up for herself? we coulda had a futch icon 😔😔😔
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAAAAYYIIINNGGG
You think that all the bs that she put up with from Derek and his friend as a child would've toughened her up as an adult, but this movie just never gravitated towards that plotline and I honestly think it was a missed opportunity.
@@urmom6701 1000% the potential was there, which makes it more frustrating than if it was just a bad movie with nothing going for it 😩
Girl, you're not alone! I watched this so many times as a kid and I still love it for the nostalgia factor even though I know better now that it's not technically great. Songs = iconic.
Before I start watching this, just gotta say
THE VOW I MADE WAS FOR HERRRRRRR!
Thanks for listening.
Here’s the thing that gets me lol: if Huberta & William wanted to unite their kingdoms, why didn’t THEY get married? Clearly their spouses are gone (interesting that there wasn’t any grieving for Odette’s mom btw), and clearly they at the very least get along very well. Soooooo yeah why waste this time and drama? Except we wouldn’t have a movie. Sighhhhhh
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In answer to your question, this movie heavily implies that Odette is unable to speak to people in her swan form, and she is the only one who can communicate with the other animal characters (probably a side-effect of the spell).
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However, this is retconned in the sequels. In the first two sequels, Derek, Odette, Bridget (Rothbart’s former henchwoman), and one of the villains are able to fluently communicate with all of the animal characters (which, to be fair, could be explained by either magic, or Odette teaching them how to understand the animals). Then in the CGI sequels, the animals are able to communicate with anyone.
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The issue with this movie, is that odette also had no reason to fall in love with Derek either. Like, if someone asked her that same question, what would she say??? Because they didn’t fall in love through their childhood. That’s why binding fully understand the hate for Derek. Sure he’s the one who said it out loud, but she only fell in love with him because of his looks too.. she wasn’t in love with him when he was younger and was hoping he would fall in love with her too. And then it was an arranged marriage that neither wanted in the first place.. why do people out so much on Derek, when his answer made sense lol
"What else is there?"
Largest red flag in a relationship ever in the universe.
If I got you an audition for a Disney princess would you take it? Your singing is so enchanting.. would love to subvert the "Asian female protagonist with dyed hair and strong ties to family" trope again since Turning Red was great
It’d be a dream to be a Disney Princess 😭
@@SophiaPhannnyour bag is comingggg
@@SophiaPhannn if Disney makes a descendants spinnoff you would be perfect for playing as the daughter of Mal and Doug
Make Sophia a Vietnamese princess, Disney. I know you're listening.
I'm a huge Disney fan. This brings me back to my childhood. The fact that you memorized the songs amazes me.
I rewatched this movie so many times, it’s hardwired into my brain 😭
This is not a Disney film, it's a Nest Entertainment film.
I don't think Swam Princess is a Disney movie.
@@Albino_Wolf It's not. It's a Nest Entertainment movie.
@@wesmcinerny4524 That's what I just said. I know that, you just said it too.
In Derek's defense when he says: what else is there, it was because he realized he was in love with her always but he couldn't articulate why, and he was hoping that she would help him to understand. And that's why when it was brought up again he goes well there's her... and then the way... she literally took his breath away. It is possible to love a person just by seeing them. If you don't believe me explain a mother's love for her newborn child. The child hasn't accomplished anything yet and yet she already loves her child instinctively. I think that was what Derek was trying to say, that he always loved her instinctively deep down but he never realized it until he saw how beautiful she was, and he expressed his love for her in her beauty. He says: you started out as such an ugly duckling, but somehow suddenly became a swan. In the story of The Ugly Duckling the duckling was always a swan. In other words she was always beautiful to him but he never realized it until now.
6:46 I would like someone that doesn’t say “Your handsome” the first time we talk I want them to go “Your so funny” or “Your so smart” PERSONALITY IS KEY, Even my ex said “I like you because of your laugh and smartness when you try to be” now that’s a person with personality
Derek: I want white roses
Servants: We’re painting the roses white painting the roses white
"You should write a book, how to offend a woman in five syllables or less." Is still one of my favorite lines. Lord Rodgers had the best lines hahahaha
Dereck sucks, but Odette is so shallow as well, like she was going heartbroken home not beliving he loves her and literally 5 minutes later she has a solo declaring her everlasting love to him and beliving in him. Their love story sucks. They had good build up to go from hate to love but the whole way got cut short just because they both got hot
I'm really trying to think of how no one could say Rothbart's name throughout the film. I was waiting for a whole scene or explanation if there was some sort of enchantment or spell that made sure no one could say his name (reverse-Beetleguise) so he'd never be caught.
BUT OF COURSE THE FILMMAKERS FORGOT THAT PART APPARENTLY, OR ELSE SOPHIA WOULD'VE POINTED IT OUT. 😫
Edit: I couldn't help but think about the frog honestly. Like 1) as much as he loved Odette, Odette never loved him. Like you probably need true love's kiss and not just a kiss from a princess to break the spell. Duh. and 2) In one version of The Frog Prince, the frog never got kissed to be turned back...he was thrown at the wall by the princess in frustration over all his little menial tasks because he was promised by the princess to help him. Now I'm just thinking of that scenario where (cartoonishly) the frog would just magically get transformed into a prince just by getting thrown at the wall lmao 🤣
It’s so funny how easy it could have been fixed by just adding some conversations during the childhood or just some looks xxx but now u gotta react to the second
You know what would have elevated this film? There being either another prince, love interest or 3rd way where Odette becoming queen without a suitor and improving the kingdom socially and politically. And when she gets her happy ending, show Derek disgraced, salty and sad xD
Fun fact: Richard Rich was a Disney Animator and then he was fired from Disney in the mid 80’s because Peter Schneider who was Vice President of Disney Animation at the time had issues with him. Liz Callaway also did the singing voice for Jasmine for The Return of Jafar and Aladdin and The King of Thieves and the singing voice for Kiara in The Lion King II Simba’s Pride
From what I understand of the situation, he was fired because of the massive flip that was The Black Cauldron…which itself suffered from massive Executive Meddling to the point Jeffrey Kratzenburg personally cut out several minutes of film in the cutting room after a test screening resulted in several crying children and parents complaining about the film being too scary.
Ironically enough, the failure of The Black Cauldron and subsequent mumblings about the animation department being shut down is what convinced the animators left to bring their A Game to the next project, The Great Mouse Detective. It was just enough of a success (despite An American Tail coming out that same year) that executives had enough confidence to put more money into the animation department, which led the way to the Disney Renaissance of the late 80’s to the end of the 90’s.
So yeah, thank Richard Rich and Don Bluth for getting the ball rolling.
“Is see him smiling and my knees start buckling. I see inside him and my doubts are gone.”
“SHE STARTED OUT AS SUCH AN UGLY DUCKLING”
The difference is…..
The chokehold this movie series had on me as a kid... I swear all i watched was this, Anastasia, and Quest for Camelot.
though i gotta admit i was falling hard for Derek when i was young
How when you had Garret right there 😂
@@clojcloj Garrett, Dmitri, and Derek all had such strong chokehold on me 😂 especially when i found out Garrett was voiced by Wesley from The Princess Bride
your editing of derek getting his ass kicked by the great animal made me laugh so loudly😂😂😂 leader of the derek hate parade
Listen, even the Swan Princess fandom makes fun of Derek, so you’re not alone lol
This movie needs a major rewrite
And Luckily I have a fool proof revision idea
To make it more logical I thought of this as a mini series format or novel series
Volume 1 could be them as children being enemies to eachother as well as a portion of volume 2 where they are pre teens
The rest of volume 2 and a portion of volume 3 where they are teenagers could be them being frenemies (not actual friends but at the point where they actually start to respect each other)
Then the rest of volume 3 could be them finally becoming best friends (maybe friends with benefits hey they're going through puberty we might as well have some benefits going on)
Then volume four is where they are at the actual age they are in the movie where they're actual lovers with real chemistry
No, but I swear Derek gets WORSE in the second movie. Odette sings a whole song about how he doesn’t love her anymore and doesn’t spend any time with her.
I like this movie (for nostalgic reasons) but I really wished they established the relationship/childhood enemies to crush thing better! Like "This Isn't My Idea of Fun" is my favorite song and basically the only thing I continue to remember from this film years later
Why does the “The vow I made was for heeeerrrrr!” Gave me “My name’s not RIIIICK” vibes 😂
The fact that necklace went over the hair, soon after, it’s under the hair. 💀
Okay it’s either the queen had dementia or was immune to the spell with some contrivance, or the dress was oozing of modernism that it made her confused af.
I'm realizing this movie does a lot of telling us Odette and Derek are in love rather than showing us that they are, which isn't as effective. First song is still a banger though.
I gotta say it, the swedish dub makes Derek suuuuuuch a more likeable character holy shit 😂😂
I love the music in this movie, Prince Derek always pissed me off as a kid with how he treated Odette and his servants. He still pisses me off now but child me was more upset because I thought fictional characters were real people lol
My favorite clip was during the "My idea of fun" Uberta talks about how they're getting along, while Odette is trying to strangle Derek in the background.
I hate how "My Idea of fun" was years worth of development for Odette and Derek, only to be pretty much meaningless throughout the movie. Derek couldn't even think of ways to describe her till the end, and even then we didn't really get to see it that much.
Also, why couldn't Odette's father say Rothbart took her, and is using dark magic.
Im willing to beleive she started feeling something for him first and was waiting for him to reciprocate, only to be disappointed whith the "What else is there?" line.
Just incase some people are confused as to why we hate Derek but love Odette: They were both told their entire lives that they would be betrothed, that’s one of the main reasons why they liked each other in the first place. Matter of fact, that’s probably the only reason why Odette liked Derek, but we can’t make a proper theory based off of a hunch (Odette’s reaction to Derek’s reason as to why he likes her also disproves this because her reaction was kinda like, “I like you for you, why do you only like me because I’m pretty?) Derek openly stated that he only likes Odette because she’s pretty and no other reason. Not to mention he doesn’t apologize at all despite knowing it upset her and everyone else around them. In short, Derek is douche and doesn’t deserve Odette in the least. She deserves someone who not only likes her because of her beauty, but will love her for her personality and companionship, like me 🫦
I love your singing voice
Edit: "Can you say Rothbart?" 😂😂😂😂 That gave off Dora the Explorer vibes
Edit x2: I am still convinced that Derek didn't love her for her in the end. I think that he was only attracted to her turning into a swan. He wanted the ball swan centric, her wedding dress was swan themed, and they moved to the swan lake after marrying. The second movie is based around him neglecting her after they got married after she became human.
I HATE DEREK EEUHHHH HE IS SO ANNOYING BRO THAT ONE SCENES “your all I’ve ever wanted,your beautiful,but what else?is beauty all that matters to you?” DEREK WAS SPEECHLESS?BUT WHAT ELSE IS THERE?BRO?
I really miss animation like in older movies like this. I rewatched The Rescuers recently, and man its just gorgeous in such a different way than the computer graphics stuff. That aside, I had forgotten about most of this movie except Odette's transformation scenes. Childhood memory won't let those escape lol.
This movie was so weird! I always wondered why the king and queen didn't just marry. Derek was awful. It was just all so silly.
But this makes me want to write a retelling of this story and either redeem Derek somehow or have Odette fall for someone else...
You all hate on Derek. You forget, Odette is guilty of the same thing. She was as man to him as a kid, and suddenly she loves him cause he's handsome. Why was she never asked her reason for calling for him? Turnabout is fair play.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Derek sucks and if the King and Queen or whatever wanted their kingdoms to join, why didn't THEY just do the whole political marriage from the get-go? At least they liked each other, even if it was just as friends.
just HEARING-- the name “rothbart” makes me literally DIE of laughter, its just such a funny name
"" you should write a book, how to offend women in five syllables or less""
I’ll be fair, Derek and Odette are a very surface-level couple.
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But I honestly prefer this movie’s consistent lack of nuance, over a movie couple that has an engaging relationship practically gift wrapped for it, and still somehow completely misses the mark.
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Case and point, Kaley and Garret from Quest For Camelot!
Seriously. How do you get "deceased Arthurian knight's daughter and his former mentee with clashing personalities, on a quest to defeat the guy who murdered him" and give us... NOTHING???
@@TheNumnutRandomness Yeah legit the buildup was practically nonexistent, Kayley was absolutely abhorrent to Garrett in this movie.
- Legit insulting the man upon first meeting (granted she didn't know he was blind but still, don't be mean to people you just met especially when they saved your life)
- Got him killed almost twice for bringing him into her bulls**t plan that she hadn't thought through.
- Was a general nuisance to him overall, especially when he had to keep constantly looking out for her in the damn forest since she just wandered aimlessly.
I mean Garrett was no better since he was feeding into the fire but I don't blame him, I wouldn't be nice to a bitch that just invaded my house and insulted me either.
I feel like the only reason he let her tag along with him after finishing his solo was just because he knew she probably wouldn't go away if he did tell her no.
The only scene where I felt they actually shared a moment where they could stand to be around each other was when he was teaching her how to strike at the right moment with his staff.
I don't count the damn song where they were singing to each other after Garrett almost bled out to death from getting slashed by Ruber because that moment felt so forced and fake to me since neither of them liked each other up til that point.
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wow the RAGING MISOGYNY
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@@urmom6701 HE was absolutely abhorrent to HER in the movie HE would've been the nuisance ditch the misogyny pal it's virtually always PROJECTING MALE BS onto the sex getting SHIT ALL OVER since like FOREVER so males ain't "owed" jackshit by nobody ugh! sheesh!
I saw the notification and I was like: "Omg yass queen that's the movie I've been waiting for GO ROAST DEREK"
also happy birthday! 🥳
Hehe thank you 🥰 ‘twas fun roasting that man 🤩
I think the biggest gripe I have with this movie is that the opening song sets up a good Childhood Rivals/Enemies to Lovers storyline and then the movie…just doesn’t go anywhere with it. It’s possible that Odette and Derek did start getting feelings for each other during their summers together(and I think there are a couple hints of that in “This is My Idea”), but the movie seemingly jumps from “I hate you” to “I love you” without us being able to properly see any character development or genuine interactions between the two. So yeah, I think this movie had potential, but just wasn’t able to reach it in terms of both the character and romantic development. (That being said I actually am somewhat fond of this movie despite its many many flaws haha)
Happy Birthday Sophia! 🥳🥳 I hope you feel all day the way you make us feel when you bless us with an upload! 💖
Omg 🥹 thank you 🥰
I just rewatched this movie and honestly, I think most of the issues of this movie could have been solved with more character introduction. Like why does Odette know the animals already? To us, it seems like she’s only just met them. Also, I think them growing to love each other could also have been a lot better
Call me picky
But something that have always confused me is their ages
In the scene where Odette is a baby, DEREK IS A FUCKING 4/6 YEAR OLD
But when they start meeting each other for their parents they're the same age???
I don’t if anyone has said this yet but can we talk about how pretty Sophia’s singing voice is because, omg!
8:11 "If you wanna worry about something, worry about that hairline" Jeez, that's savage xDD
Fact: Howard Mcgillan who was the voice actor Prince Derek in the swan princess (1994) was also best known as playing the title character in the Broadway stage musical of Andrew Lloyd Webber's The PHANTOM of the OPERA
I think maybe Derek’s character would’ve been better if he had a solo during the ✨Practice✨ song, where he sang about how scared he was to tell Odette how he loved her, how she was so intelligent and charming, and how he had to safe his one true love.
Idk, you’ve really opened my eyes about how awful Derek is, nostalgia clouded my judgement 🫣.
I can tell you exactly what's worse than "is beauty all there is?" "What else is there?"
And it's this. "Why do you want me?" "Because there's no one else who is willing to be with me or do anything with me. you're my only option."
(Basically only settling for you bc they considered you literally their only option. There's no reason at all. Not even beauty. It's just they don't think they could get anyone else. So to them their settling for something they don't actually want bc they have no choice -_-)
THIS was my childhood staple, like my older sisters always forced me to do Derek's part in Far Longer than Forever. Now I really see it as a flawed, but still enjoyable film, not to mention the music that drives it. Definitely one of the better Disney-esque films. Also, looking forward to more musical reactions! (cuz girl you could like really SING)
I'm convinced that the only reason I liked this movie as a kid was the music, striking animation, great voice actors, but it was never really the storyline lol.
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I think Rothbart is one of the most underrated animated villain performances.
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Granted, there’s not much to his grand plan, and he probably should have had more screen time than he got. But, he has some of the best lines in the movie (second only to Lord Rogers) and he delivers them perfectly in a way that’s both hilarious and threatening!
He was so zany, I couldn’t find him scary 😂
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Oh, just wait until you see the villains in the sequels!
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The villain of the second movie (Clavius) was still at least legitimately funny. But from the third movie onward, they clearly stopped caring all together.
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My sister and I would always quote this movie to each other. Especially Derek's dumb "She's like, you know... How about... And then... I mean, right?"
Sophia: *starts to sing in a video.* Me: *lifts my lighter and sways*