This esc is amazing, on a stock pack it performs very well up to 120line current and 550 phase. Bypass will 140line and 650phase. I’m running it at 72v 208 line and 650 phase on my sting and it’s just bonkers !!!!
Same with the bac 8000 at stock settings I can pull no bypass 7500w at 125 dc amps at 550-600 phase amps with a 72 no idea yet will test soon but I’m assuming I can pull 12kw+ and dc amps should be 165 and phase should be fine at 650 Yet I pull 8kw-9kw stock bypassed battery and I get 150 dc amps and 650 phase amps I run those settings all day like 8kw-9kw 650 phase amps at 150dc amps Aswell as the bac8000 able to handle up to 90kw
Excellent review! Will be placing my order for this controller tomorrow! Also to any people on the fence, KO is running a 10% discount on the current batch of controllers and or motors. Check out their Facebook post recently explaining details. On another note, can you provide further info on exactly which rear fender you're running and or how you made it fit? Thanks!
Interesting but doesn’t sound like it would benefit my stock X, I already got the pure sine wave controller and I like cool batteries for the long life. Thanks!
Do you think an aftermarket motor provides better range? I have a heavily modded Surron with tremendous power and I don’t see how a different motor would benefit. Great channel
Depends on who makes the motor. But I'd say in most cases yes. Just with the K.o controller and stock battery I'm seeing better range and higher top end speed.
@@electricisbetter yeah, I have the full EBMX set up .. battery and Controller. The thing rips in single track and tops out around 60. Range is about 30 miles if I’m ripping single track hard. I also opened my motor and put larger wires to the coils (which wasn’t needed). I just don’t see the benefit of swapping the motor too unless someone tells me significant gains in range… then I’ll have that motor off in no time! Lol
So you're running it with the stock battery at 100A, so 6kw? BMS bypassed or not? Any way you could do a video that shows the performance compared to stock? Also, I hear that aftermarket controllers tend to be more efficient than the stock unit and actually improve range (or give better performance for the same range), was that your experience as well with this one?
@@electricisbetter well I hope you're getting some kick backs from KO ;) because I just ordered one. I really was going to keep the power train stock on this bike but it was too tempting. I read some other comments of people running 110-120A, no bypass, and claiming to have picked up 10-15mph top speed.
Looking to buy the KO controller on completely stock talaria. Can you run 800 phase amps without a bypass. Will this be harmful on stock battery or motor. Also what are the other max power settings?
Either would be able to handle the 12.5kw fine. I really like the look of the Pro, But the Nano will run it no problem. Running 12.5kw on a stock motor will be hard on the motor however.
Fantastic ! Great controller I hear so many great comments and reviews on them I definitely want one .. Surron is great :) I love mine ❤️ as a girl Rider I think the stock works well and okay . But I been in over with K.o forever !!! I so want one
Same with the bac 8000 at stock settings I can pull no bypass 7500w at 125 dc amps at 550-600 phase amps with a 72 no idea yet will test soon but I’m assuming I can pull 12kw+ and dc amps should be 165 and phase should be fine at 650 Yet I pull 8kw-9kw stock bypassed battery and I get 150 dc amps and 650 phase amps I run those settings all day like 8kw-9kw 650 phase amps at 150dc amps Aswell as the bac8000 able to handle up to 90kw
@@jonathanmahler3927 bac 8000 can handle 90kw with ease just need a big enough battery to run that haha as for why it gets hot at 12kw no idea definitely shouldn’t
@@SwarmMcReynolds it won’t go close to 90kw , I agree , the BAC gets hot on anything above 12kw because its overpriced rubbish, would never use another ASI BAC product again after using the KO set up . KO controller crushes it in every way .
Sweet, been looking forward to this review!! It looks like the controller integrates and uses the stock display unit - is this correct? If so, does the stock display unit retain the same features, such as gear ratio, power modes, regen levels, etc? Cant wait until the Talaria BFM (Big F'n Motor) comes out!! I don't know if you have any experience with the ASI BAC controllers but do you have any thoughts comparing them? (edit) I like how the connectors are laid out on this controller so you don't have to futz with the motor phase wires. Increasing length and adding connections increases resistance - especially with big amps.
Would getting the motor help with long distance full throttle road riding or will that still damage the ko motor? Very new to the emoto world. Just got a sting and want to start modding it but I wanna make sure if I increase the power that the motor can withstand it with road commuting
The Stock motor would be fine with a power increase. As long as it not too crazy. But yes, the KO motor would be better for the job as its able to handle more power
If it's constantly beeping, its in a set up mode. I refer you to k.o website and double check to make sure you haven't skipped a set up step. It could also be a soft brick beep. If the controller is interrupted during a format update, it will soft brick. And it will continuously beep until you unbrick it with the hard wire that comes with the controller. Your controller with beep different for different problems. It would be worth reaching out to k.o to see what your beep rhythm means.
Still trying to justify it. Yea know it’s better. But 1000$ better? Prolly but stock batter? Unless it’s double than prolly not. I want this and a 72v but the price is almost insane! It’s almost the price of the brand new bike!! Can’t wait to see it though!!
I have a bac4000 with a bypass battery. It was worth it. 7kw is plenty for the riding I do. Often I'll even step it down to 5kw and get good power and good battery life.
@@jondoe6618 yeah, I've thought about making sur ron videos but the editing is work I'm not willing to put in right now. I just want to enjoy the ride. Maybe if I get another GoPro.
@@kyleray4952 I hear ya. I use shotcut. Free and somewhat easy. It’s a pain tho. Lots of time. But it’s recorded in history. And fun to watch later. I’ve been slacking on videos myself. I get it.
What is this 1995 … who the hell downloads software on their Pc to then connect to a controller. That’s not even a Vector Control controller. ASI controllers have Vector control and everything is done with an App. And then you don’t even ride the bike cause you still haven’t figured out the proper tune. Lol
Ewwww a talaria
what do u ride ?
I ride a talaria and it’s an amazing bike lmao
@@tr1pppy397 probably rides a tricycle 😂
@@nayrr1 yea these kids can’t even afford it probably!! 😂😂
Kinda wish I got one as I’m tall af still happy with my sr
Please don't stop uploading this type of content breakdown...this is vital for riders like myself.
This esc is amazing, on a stock pack it performs very well up to 120line current and 550 phase. Bypass will 140line and 650phase. I’m running it at 72v 208 line and 650 phase on my sting and it’s just bonkers !!!!
Same with the bac 8000 at stock settings I can pull no bypass 7500w at 125 dc amps at 550-600 phase amps with a 72 no idea yet will test soon but I’m assuming I can pull 12kw+ and dc amps should be 165 and phase should be fine at 650
Yet I pull 8kw-9kw stock bypassed battery and I get 150 dc amps and 650 phase amps I run those settings all day like 8kw-9kw 650 phase amps at 150dc amps
Aswell as the bac8000 able to handle up to 90kw
@@SwarmMcReynolds asi is a company I will never deal with.
Just ordered a sting r xm4. I was looking at this but ended up getting the ebmx x-9000 with stock battery. Keep up the content
Looks great and easy set up
Excellent review! Will be placing my order for this controller tomorrow! Also to any people on the fence, KO is running a 10% discount on the current batch of controllers and or motors. Check out their Facebook post recently explaining details.
On another note, can you provide further info on exactly which rear fender you're running and or how you made it fit?
Thanks!
Thank you 😊
Sure, here is a video of my upgrades on the bike. It explains the fender and how I mounted it. th-cam.com/video/6fQ9ewbchDQ/w-d-xo.html
Legendary work as always Mate!!
As always tho man love the content hope u enjoy the controller ride safe ✌🏻
Interesting but doesn’t sound like it would benefit my stock X, I already got the pure sine wave controller and I like cool batteries for the long life. Thanks!
Do you think an aftermarket motor provides better range? I have a heavily modded Surron with tremendous power and I don’t see how a different motor would benefit. Great channel
Depends on who makes the motor. But I'd say in most cases yes. Just with the K.o controller and stock battery I'm seeing better range and higher top end speed.
@@electricisbetter yeah, I have the full EBMX set up .. battery and Controller. The thing rips in single track and tops out around 60. Range is about 30 miles if I’m ripping single track hard. I also opened my motor and put larger wires to the coils (which wasn’t needed). I just don’t see the benefit of swapping the motor too unless someone tells me significant gains in range… then I’ll have that motor off in no time! Lol
How do you add a speed limiter (45kph)?😢
So you're running it with the stock battery at 100A, so 6kw?
BMS bypassed or not?
Any way you could do a video that shows the performance compared to stock? Also, I hear that aftermarket controllers tend to be more efficient than the stock unit and actually improve range (or give better performance for the same range), was that your experience as well with this one?
Yeah, this is what I'm looking for too. Can I get the controller, use the stock battery, and improve range? Top speed? Etc.
Still running 6k but using more amps at higher speeds. Yes, Ive seen better range using k.o over stock controller
@@electricisbetter well I hope you're getting some kick backs from KO ;) because I just ordered one. I really was going to keep the power train stock on this bike but it was too tempting. I read some other comments of people running 110-120A, no bypass, and claiming to have picked up 10-15mph top speed.
Hey any update on this? Looking to buy the ko controller to improve range and top speed before I eventually upgrade battery as well.
Looking to buy the KO controller on completely stock talaria. Can you run 800 phase amps without a bypass. Will this be harmful on stock battery or motor. Also what are the other max power settings?
Can you please race more gas bikes on Talaria maybe?! Not many of those video’s on TH-cam… love them!!!
Great video! Would you recommend going with the KO Pro controller over the KO nano controller on stock motor pushing no more than 12.5kw?
Either would be able to handle the 12.5kw fine. I really like the look of the Pro, But the Nano will run it no problem. Running 12.5kw on a stock motor will be hard on the motor however.
@@electricisbetter Thanks! Any idea what you many kw you could safely run on the stock surron motor without stressing it too much?
@@djdubz 8kw-10kw never had a problem
@@electricisbetter thank you!
If you use this controller with the totally stock setup IO assume you have 2 power levels (with no eggrider)? what were formally eco and sport?
Fantastic ! Great controller I hear so many great comments and reviews on them I definitely want one ..
Surron is great :) I love mine ❤️ as a girl Rider I think the stock works well and okay . But I been in over with K.o forever !!! I so want one
Stock Sur-rons are fantastic 😍 but K.O powered is 💪
@@electricisbetter I'm drooling 🤤
Same with the bac 8000 at stock settings I can pull no bypass 7500w at 125 dc amps at 550-600 phase amps with a 72 no idea yet will test soon but I’m assuming I can pull 12kw+ and dc amps should be 165 and phase should be fine at 650
Yet I pull 8kw-9kw stock bypassed battery and I get 150 dc amps and 650 phase amps I run those settings all day like 8kw-9kw 650 phase amps at 150dc amps
Aswell as the bac8000 able to handle up to 90kw
bac8000 peaks at 60kw and for me it gets hot at 12 i’ve had much better luck with the new ko controller
@@jonathanmahler3927 bac 8000 can handle 90kw with ease just need a big enough battery to run that haha as for why it gets hot at 12kw no idea definitely shouldn’t
@@SwarmMcReynolds it won’t go close to 90kw , I agree , the BAC gets hot on anything above 12kw because its overpriced rubbish, would never use another ASI BAC product again after using the KO set up . KO controller crushes it in every way .
Does it damage the bike or battery? Unsafe will it like blow up the motor or battery?
Sweet, been looking forward to this review!!
It looks like the controller integrates and uses the stock display unit - is this correct?
If so, does the stock display unit retain the same features, such as gear ratio, power modes, regen levels, etc?
Cant wait until the Talaria BFM (Big F'n Motor) comes out!!
I don't know if you have any experience with the ASI BAC controllers but do you have any thoughts comparing them?
(edit) I like how the connectors are laid out on this controller so you don't have to futz with the motor phase wires. Increasing length and adding connections increases resistance - especially with big amps.
Would getting the motor help with long distance full throttle road riding or will that still damage the ko motor? Very new to the emoto world. Just got a sting and want to start modding it but I wanna make sure if I increase the power that the motor can withstand it with road commuting
The Stock motor would be fine with a power increase. As long as it not too crazy. But yes, the KO motor would be better for the job as its able to handle more power
Running at 35kw do you get any over heating issues?
How fast can you get it with the new controller?
So have you watched TH-cam channel ev components review bashing the KO controllers if you have not please go watch and what do you think about it...
I'm familiar with him. EBMX is doing some not so honorable things as of late.
Are you pulling more from the battery? Maybe I missed it. I realize it can do that but how is your setup? Is the bike much faster/stats? Great vid!
I can pull slightly more power and getting slightly more top speed with it with stock battery.
I can’t find the app?
How much is the controller?
$995 USD
Thanks 🙏
Is there an option in the software for FOC / field weakening?
Yes there is
Does the eggrider still work with it
Yeppers 👍
I laugh inside when ppl say surron and Segway like Seg isn’t a rebranded sur ron lol.
What would really be cool is some wheelies!
Oh, sorry
Done to death. I was the wheelie master, when I was 15.
My controller wont connect to my app, the bike just constantly beeps. So annoying
If it's constantly beeping, its in a set up mode. I refer you to k.o website and double check to make sure you haven't skipped a set up step. It could also be a soft brick beep. If the controller is interrupted during a format update, it will soft brick. And it will continuously beep until you unbrick it with the hard wire that comes with the controller. Your controller with beep different for different problems. It would be worth reaching out to k.o to see what your beep rhythm means.
@@electricisbetter thank you for the response. I have sent them a email and waiting for the response. Hopefully I can get this sorted out
Still trying to justify it. Yea know it’s better. But 1000$ better? Prolly but stock batter? Unless it’s double than prolly not. I want this and a 72v but the price is almost insane! It’s almost the price of the brand new bike!! Can’t wait to see it though!!
I have a bac4000 with a bypass battery. It was worth it. 7kw is plenty for the riding I do. Often I'll even step it down to 5kw and get good power and good battery life.
@@kyleray4952 thanks! Nice to know. Got vids? If so I’ll check em out.
@@kyleray4952 I see no vids. But some rc vids!! I have a bunch myself!! Love my fpv drones!!
@@jondoe6618 yeah, I've thought about making sur ron videos but the editing is work I'm not willing to put in right now. I just want to enjoy the ride. Maybe if I get another GoPro.
@@kyleray4952 I hear ya. I use shotcut. Free and somewhat easy. It’s a pain tho. Lots of time. But it’s recorded in history. And fun to watch later. I’ve been slacking on videos myself. I get it.
I love Electric Bikes Dosn't matter . But i can't afford 😁😓
What is this 1995 … who the hell downloads software on their Pc to then connect to a controller. That’s not even a Vector Control controller. ASI controllers have Vector control and everything is done with an App. And then you don’t even ride the bike cause you still haven’t figured out the proper tune. Lol
Nice to hear from you again
This esc is worlds better than asi
@@ronan9784 LOL. Don’t even have vector control
@@Buffetology foc? Really !! I gather you haven’t used the KO esc
KO scammed me out of $750 on the swingarm and also they copied the design from someone else. Im only leaving this comment to hopefully save someone.
Please elaborate!
Hows your throttle mapping? I heard this was an issue for a while but wasn't sure if it was resolved.
You can map the throttle and power specifically to any rpm range you desire. It the most tunable controller I’ve used.
if your talking about it not cutting power right away i haven’t had that problem