Quad Band! Wouxun KG-Q10H Ham Radio Review
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- The new Wouxun KG-Q10H is a quad band, 6 meters, 2 meters, 1.25 meters & 70 centimeters that supports cross-band repeat. That is in addition to being true USB-C charging and Air Band receiving.
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UPDATE: We have word from Wouxun that they are working on an update to the issues encountered in this video. When we see an updated model, I will test that unit!
Awesome news, thanks for the update Josh. ;)
@HamRadioCrashCourse will the spurious emissions issue be cured with a firmware update or will there be a version 2? Thanks for your great videos. 73
Hi, I don't know whether you saw my comment but you and Ham Radio 2 have very different output values on several of the Bands. He put its down to poor quality control, which if true doesn't speak well for the Brand and doesn't encourage me to buy it. He says he's getting 1.5W on !.25M. He claims his readings are accurate as I'm sure you do. So who or what to believe?
Does anyone know if the updated version is out?
Interested in finding out if the updates version came out
My intention for the Chirp driver is to implement ALL the features the Wouxun CPS provides and then some. Just like I did for the 980P, 1000G, G+, 935G, G+, 9PX, 9GX, 8H. Although the custom color settings may be a challenge. It is coming along nicely but will take some time since Wouxun made significant changes to the memory usage from previous radios that will slow things down a bit.
That is great news. Cheers to you! Best of luck!
Thank you Mel
Hey, I appreciate your work! Thank you, anywhere I can donate with a suggestion?
I just ordered one of these. I cannot believe that after only 60 days in this hobby I already own 7 hand held. this is my first high dollar one.
Ive been waiting for you to do a review of this one for spurious emissions!! Thank you!!❤
Wouxun was my first 2m/70cm radio ~12 years ago and I absolutely loved it.
Great stuff Josh and love to see Quad band radios coming on the market. Now the challenge for a cheap 10m FM HT!
Yes! I have been wanting a 10 meter HT for a while and just can't find one!
What would be easier on an HT, 10m FM or 6m SSB?
I would love that. Even if it was FM only I would be happy. Makes POTA/SOTA activations much easier one HT with 4+ bands.
Does the NotARubicon theme automatically turn the Roger Beep on?
Probably. 🤪
I think it makes the radio bitch about "sad people".
🤣🤣🤣🤣
FYI I've used a standard Baofeng programming cable on my Wouxun radios and it works fine. Same with the handheld mic.
This is one to watch and see if they can improve the purity of. I do like the feature set and capabilities for the price point.
What's the price?
@@RsDefcon$219, I believe.
They will only improve the purity if they add additional filtering circuits. I don't see this happening, as that is the expensive bit.
I understand why keeping spurious emissions to a minimum is an admirable goal and all, but let's keep things in perspective. We're talking about a 4-watt transmitter with a far less-than-ideal antenna. How much interference are we really generating? Even your own special Icom receiver one foot away couldn't pick anything up.
A great review that layed out all of the good, the bad, and the ugly. Thanks Josh! KD9PDE Sure wish it did APRS
Got mine In Saturday! Love them so far
Cheers Josh very interesting and love that you put things in Laymans terms , for people like me, because I’m still Learning , as we go, as my father would say every day is a school day. Thanks again Alan from over the pond in little old England. Cheers 🍻🇬🇧👍
This is my 4th handheld radio and I love it. I have two of them and the performance price balance is soo good for me. I got started with the Baogeng then move to the Quesheng, on to the Tid and finally landed on this radio. I now understand why you pay more for these handhelds. I still have and use all of my other radios but this is my daily carry.
Sensei Josh, thank you for this. You are one reason I went from GMRS(WROT417) to HAM(KQ4IXD). This type of video, unlike the live and “afterchat” videos hold more for ME (and yes, I understand it is NOT all about ME!). Thank you all you do for the HAM community. Anyway, I was looking for a WOUXUN HAM radio, but, your (earlier) glowing praise of the “Mate” had me earlier bypassing this one…now?
I purchased one and it is in my hot hands. Been reading and pushing buttons.
Recently moved to North Idaho and the local repeater group has a 6M repeater connected to the linked repeater system. This would be very handy way back in the woods where VHF is sketchy at best.
Thanks Josh, great video! Wouxun is doing great things! We cannot get the Q10H on our side of the puddle, we have the Q336 instead which is a triple-band 4m/2m/70cm device. I would have liked to see a Q10H on our side with 4m instead of 1.2m (we don't have that band here in the UK), but having something with 6m/4m/2m/70cm would be absolutely a-bloody-mazing! Keep up the good work! PS: And @HamRadioDX Hayden yes, how awesome would a 10m FM HT be! Heck, I'll buy it if that is the only band it does! :-) The thickest part might just be the antenna, but I don't care. Who do I pay for a 10m HT? TAKE MY MONEY!!!
If the GPS location worked with APRS natively. That would be great. It's still pretty good... I have never used an HT on 6 meters, but it can't hurt. I do use the other three, and currently have tri-band Bao Feng HTs, and they do most of what I want.😊
I got a blue one on Friday. Overall I like it. It’s not perfect, it probably won’t be used a ton, but I think I do like it.
Josh I sure enjoy your videos. You have a great way of explaining things.
They packed a lot of stuff in that little package, but I sure wish it had Bluetooth capability. Being able to program without a cable and use a common Bluetooth headset would have really been the icing on the cake.
I was thinking programming through the USB-C port would be great. Two less proprietary cables to worry about compared to a USB capable Baofeng.
With all the equipment that uses type-c, I ALWAYS have a cable handy.
@@davidhawkins847 - An excellent idea. $16 for ANOTHER proprietary cable is not what anyone of us needs.
@@g-whiz286 The cheap knockoff prolific chip cable I had for uv5r from 2013 worked perfectly to program this radio on Saturday with the wouxun software.
@hithere7382
That's good to hear. That means one less proprietary cable to source and carry around (for charging) and one multi-use cable.
With all the electronics we support nowadays, I keep a kit handy that contains all the cords and adapters needed. The less proprietary equipment needed, the easier it is to source in an emergency or due to breakage. While the kit isn't too big, the smaller I can have it, the more I have room for other concerns.
@@davidhawkins847 My profile picture is of Buck Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove... You're preaching to the choir.
This is a great little radio. It's now my dedicated 1.25m rig
You my friend are AWESOME....... I wish you lived in the North of BOSTON area ....
Are you only using 30dB of attenuation? You should probably have 50dB or more so that you do not overload the input of your TinySA. Some of those spurs are likely generated internally and are not "real" which is why your other radio does not "hear" it.
It would be good to actually test the superhet parts of the radio, adjacent channel rejection, image rejection, selectivity, agc, audio distortion etc. Most of that would require a service monitor. Good video on the spurious xmitter issues. 73
They need a clear version of this one.
Anyone who has any influence with these companies needs to amplify this request! 😂
Well, that's a shame, and not being spectrally clean means that this radio is "out" for me. I find the Baofeng GT-5R to be spectrally clean, and a great value. I tested two of them at home, and additionally at the ARRL booth at this years Hamvention.On technical grounds, radios that produce harmonics are "wasting" energy. On ETHICAL grounds, I won't use a radio that may cause harmful interference to others. It also shows that Baofeng CAN play by the rules and deliver a good product, when they want to, and we should have the same expectation of Wouxun. Otherwise, in general, I stick with the YIK radios, but we need competition in the marketplace to keep the prices down! We will see MORE Chinese radios, and they will get better. Its no different than when the Japanese "YIK" radios came on the market and successfully competed against the established American firms now many years ago. 73 DE W8LV BILL
What does YIK mean, or stand for? I tried googling it, and adding references to Japanese handheld radio, Japanese ham radio, etc but I couldn't find any pages talking about "YIK" or explaining what it means
@@cyleleghorn246 Yaesu Icom Kenwood I believe
@@netnhamradio thank you!! I had a feeling the Y might have been for Yaesu when I was googling it, but didn't put the other two together. They are all good radios and they make solid handhelds but I wish they'd release a nice quad-band or something like we're seeing from the Chinese companies. I wouldn't mind paying $250 for this wouxun radio (or something like it) if I knew it wasn't breaking any regulations behind my back and putting me at risk of legal consequences
Got mine in the mail Saturday. So far, not bad. Been playing with the local 6m repeater, I am hitting it, but nobody came back to me. I did test and discover it does not have AM TX. May grab another 6m HT, (Wouxon makes another I guess?) and try some simplex repeater testing? Or use the 705.
A few things I don’t like about it, or a fan of the screw off cover for the K plug, and unimpressed that they didn’t use an IP rated jack instead of a fully removable (and losable) cover. There is what I assume to be a dummy cover on the other side, that screw is covered by a cheap black sticker. Not a fan of the default ptt mapping, but fully programmable buttons makes up for that. Build doesn’t feel as good as KG-UV9D.
Doesn’t do full duplex so not as useful for birds.
Preliminary testing compared to kg-uv9d led me to believe the speaker is not as good either.
But a quad band HT is still too cool to pass up.
73 K9MKE
I’ve done similar emissions/harmonic testing in my HT’s. I am not at all convinced my non-engineering, desktop, SDRPlay testing approximates the results of real engineers with real test equipment. Josh, what would be interesting is to take these radios, have a qualified engineering group test them, then compare their results with your TinySA. That would tell you whether this has any real-world value.
Well looks like it did have some value no? ... considering they fixed the radio and the "spurious" emissions are now gone ? I'm thinking of purchasing this radio ...as my first pick in a "less cheap" radio graduating from boofaangs.
Dang…the print quality on your Quirky QRP mat is waaaaaaay better than the one I just received. I can barely read the frequency/band ranges.
Built in gps 😃
Not for APRS 😭
Although the regular Mirkit cable doesn't work, the Mirkit Model 5 cable does work on this HT (the 6 in 1 cable).
Mine came on Saturday and I like it except 1)no aprs 2)no sd card 3)no bluetooth and 4)no rt systems or chirp. Mine came almost completely full, on a usb a to c cable on a 1.5a charger it was full/green light in 10-15 minutes. I killed it by leaving it playing the FM radio all night and in the morning it took over 4 hours to charge via that same charger. I made it do show voltage instead of branding on boot and it was at 8.4 volts for a long time before the green light came on.
I'd like to say that you shouldn't review radios that don't meet the emissions standards, but then if you didn’t review them no one would know how bad some of them are, so keep doing what you're doing! 😊
This is a feature packed HT that hams shouldn't buy. Hams are the first to complain about EMC/RFI from other spectrum users, so Hams need to live by the standards too.
73, Fraser MM0EFI
Yep. I’d rather get the info out there than people not know.
So is there a process to convert it to out of band transmit? My older Wouxons simply required a key code to unlock out of band transmit but with my recent experience unlocking my TYT UV-88 (Which has the latest firmware ala 2022) I’m guessing that there maybe some hacks necessary on the programming software.
Frequency on my TinySA is off, just like yours is... rest works fine. For $49...
1.25 meters usually has better propagation than 2m!
It would not cost much to make these all mode... the receiver chips can handle it... SSB handheld would be sweet!
I really really want one that includes 23cm and 33cm. I have two discontinued Alinco tribanders (together worth a small fortune) that cover those bands but only one each along with the 2m and 1.25m on both.
I have had this radio in my cart, but have not bought it yet. Blue is now back ordered. 😢 Looking forward your review. I thought I saw one of your sons flash the radio last night on the after chat. LOL. Really like that it is 6 watts on 2m, 70cm and 6m and 3 watts on 1.2m. Heather KM6ZQB
If this turns out to be everything I hope it will be I may be ordering more.
Many years ago I worked in an electronics lab. Any piece of test equipment that wasn’t calibrated was labeled “for reference only”. Our SWR meters, power meters, etc. are for reference only, which for my purposes is just fine. . . . ps: what’s the Not A Rubicon theme? Or, should I not ask?
It’s a lot of orange. Looks good!
Could you do a teardown of the radio?
Would be interesting to see if it is still a traditional superhet (like the pricepoint implies) that Wouxuns have so far been.
Or if it has some single chip wonder like BK4819 used in Quansheng UV-5K?
Thanks Josh..great review
Curious why you think bidirectional crossband repeat will stress the radio more than one way. If everyone is transmitting on one band and receiving on the other, the radio will be close to 100% duty cycle either way. This is the way we’ve used crossband before where one radio is at the top of the hill and everyone else can see it from their positions. While useful, we found that we rarely had need of it.
I really want to like it but considering we can't use 1.25m here, I dont think its really worth it for me, even with 6m and cross-band repeat.😐
I'm curious how rigorous the testing for the FCC Compliance was performed. I gather that independent labs do the testing for the manufacturer to supply results, so there's incentive to pass customers' equipment to continue to work with them further.
A properly built certification system includes audits and harsh consequences for labs who fail audits.
I've worked for the government and give it an honest 50/50 chance the FCC did this right.
50/50 is about what covid was./s
The FCC doesn't do much. The process is an independent lab does all the tests. Then compiles a report and files it with the TCB (Telecommunications Certifications Bodies) which essentially signs off on the report or raises any questions. So as long as the report from the independent lab looks good then the equipment gets passed. Sure the equipment can be audited. But guess who does the audit? The same place that did the initial report
Enjoyed "more power to you" when talking about spurious emissions. 😉
But seriously, great review; thanks. I think I'll wait for the updated model (or will it be firmware? That would be nice for the early adopters...)
That cross band repeat might make it a good radio for Satellites
Not true full duplex
@@K7AAY It doesn't have to be full duplex to work satellites.
UPDATE-AN ALL BLACK VERSION IS NOW AVAILABLE, AND YES, THIS CAN TRANSMIT ON GMRS. HOLD DOWN THE 2 BUTTON WHILE TURNING ON THE RADIO. OF COURSE THIS IS FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY.
I hope that it is better quality than the KG-UVD1P which had a common problem. In less than a year it would start speaking Chinese. I spoke with support and they tell me they know of this problem and that a chip has gone bad, but that I would have to pay to have it replaced. This ended any possibility of me owning another one of their products.
Has anyone been able to confirm beyond the mention in the sales paragraph that it is actually is a superhet radio? I suspect that it may not actually be one... But I can't confirm since the relevant documentation in the FCC filing has been marked as private and can't be downloaded/viewed.
I’m not going to care more about spurious emissions than the federal agency that defined the rules on spurious emissions. If they approved it, I’m satisfied.
I sure wish a radio would "just show up" on my doorstep.
I guess start making videos? And build a community? 🤷🏼♀️
I purchased one but had to return it. The sound quality was dire, especially on 2mtrs. It sounded to be off channel, but even adjusting for that didn't fix it. Maybe it only affected the early batch?
I would like to see how the smiley 2m 5/8 wave ht antenna does on the 6m & 2m bands
Looking forward to your thoughts
neet HT ! love that cross band repeat . starting to see usb C PD charging more now. 6 meters is a interesting band. hard to get much antenna gain on 6 meters unless go long. I got a 4 band mobile radio that FM only as well. but 10meter,6 meter ,2 meter.70cm. no 1.25 meter. we have a 10 meter repeater buy me. part of a link system. 1.25 meter part of that link. only 6 meter repeater buy me is just to far away . the one right buy me is down but still listed . and yes you can use 10 meter and 6 meter repeater's on a Icom IC 7300. lately 10 meters propagation is poor. lots of QRM . same with 6 meters but less QRM . not many HT with 6 meters. like to see that put on better spectrum analyzer . not saying what you have is wrong or bad. just worth taking a outher look. I never rely on one piece of test equipment even if it is a real good one. calabreatation may be off or something. 73's
Xband RPT is cool, GPS is cool but pretty limited when you can only decode with another wouxun radio
I have that same shirt. R.I.P. Radio Shack
Maybe it will be a great scanner? So did they send you the radio for free? Another reviewer of this radio had different power output results on some of the bands. His had spurious emissions issues too. Of course he bought his radio, and he is sending it back for a refund. I was ready to pull the trigger on one until I saw the spurious emissions problems. Josh, maybe you and the other reviewer just got a radio that was out of spec? I always enjoy watching your channel.
Please do a yeast vx-6 and kgq10h shootout.
Blows my mind that programming directly via the USB-C port is not an opinion. Almost perfect otherwise now they fixed the spurious emissions.
I think the last QUAD Band HT was the Yeas VX-8.
Makes me think a 2m/70cm baofang connected aerial with some filter shunting would be great to bring the lots of cheap radios in spec with just an aerial.
Someone needs to design an 8 watt sma filter that sits on top of the radio...
Is this one a real full duplex radio? So would it be a good one for satellite operation?
Oo. There is no 1.25 metres in the UK but would be nice to get one on 70cm/2/4/6.
I don't think I'll be replacing my Yaesu VX7 with this, can't use it on GMRS in a pinch and needs different antenna for 6M and 220.
Good video
But if used crossband on a repeater net & simplex with long key-downs becomes a crossband over-heater! Simplex to simplex will work but really need z good antenna for 6 meters. As I have the VHF/ 6m model with a tuned Kenwood TK 190 50 mhz duck tuned on chart to 52 mhz cause original killed tgd battery with reflection . But what a decent product!
Thank you! I agree. A good cross-band repeater generally can handle a lot of abuse!
Great video...thanks!
Glad you liked it!
They put in a display mode just for Randy?😂
Yes! Super Cool.
How accurate is the GPS?
Has anyone really tested the APRS (or some similar function) in it?
As I know, Wouxun only stated, that sending coordinates will work between their Q-series, but it could mean they finally got APRS, not that it will NOT work with other brands!
Seen a video it put out 1.5 watts 220MHz 1 watt on 6m. My Yaesu HT does 5 watts on 6m AM & FM. I have two Wouxun GMRS radios the tones don't all work on all of them. My buddies have the same radio. Same tones didn't work. Funny part, Notarubicon promoted the radio and the tone didn't work for his own repeater. Did he make a video and get it fixed? No he didnt. Buytwowayradios couldn't fix it. They actually said use a open tone. You can't use a open tone on the uplink genius.
FYI the attenuator you linked is only a 3db @ 25 watts.
The part is correct, the listing is not.
@@MikeGroves I ordered one without checking, and can confirm it is 3db, not 25db. The listing appears to be correct.
Josh I sure enjoy your videos. You have a great way of explaining things. W7GUM 73
So…does it do full duplex for sat ops? Crossband repeat capable makes me think yes?
Someone please answer this man!
thank you
I have a yaesu vx-5 that I love, but i am almost afraid to use it due to being unable to replace it. Perhaps this might be a viable option as replacement. Thanks for sharing.
Just ordered 10
Does anybody prefer the Wouxun KG-UV9PX over the newly released KG-Q10H? If so, why? I'm curious which between the two has a clearer sounding speaker, easier programmability, and better battery.
I totally intuitively understand what you are saying, but as a beginner I need to start with the basics- any courses 0n tnis device for novices?
I must have missed the discussion on the 10W 40db attenuator. Why would that be a problem for the tiny products and why would the 25W 30db be better? Ok 25W is better than 10W, sure but 30db over 40db? I don’t understand how less attenuation is going to be better.
In this case there is a question “how close to the edge” can you take tinySA without showing internal spurs or giving a false reading. I have a better unit coming and more attenuators to test.
A quick sanity check is to take a spurious measurement in dBc (dBc = in relationship to your "carrier", or fundamental frequency, which should also be on the same screen), THEN put a 10dB pad in line and see if the dBc measurement is the same (both signals fall by 10dB). If not, your measuring device is being overdriven.
This type of sanity check can be performed on any SA from your TinySA (which I own and love), to a $100k R&S. If the input is overloaded, the measurements will be skewed.
Where did you get the pad you are working on. I’m new to this and the would be a nice reference to have around?
Just wondering, but I have a programming cable for my Baofeng (Chirp), and am wondering if these cables are generic or wired specifically for the individual manufacturers. Think I need to buy another cable...? Edit: Never mind! Hadn't watched the entire video yet.
If the HT has a color display it will probably be unreadable outdoors in normal sunlight. I have a Wouxun KG-9UV with color display that i got expressly for satellite work. It is unuseable outdoors in normal sunlight. My el cheapo Baofeng UV5R has a much more readable display.
I'm very interested in this radio. The price is right/
OK the problem, several other Hams have reviewed it and the power outputs are all over the place and most;y low for 6M and 220 Mhz. What gives and can I get a reliable reading from you guys?
IP67 is actually submersible. 3m for 30 minutes.
The small dual PTT buttons are no good for me. I wear gloves 8 months outta the year. I like a big pronounced PTT button like the ft-65
I prefer a speaker mic clipped up on my shoulder... reach up and hit PTT on the mic... got used to that when I repaired electronics at a casino. We used small handhelds to communicate around the casino(it was 1/2 mile from the shop to the far end of the casino!) in case of a needed part or extra help with an unruly customer...
Thought buy two way radio said it did 6 watts. Lol
8:31 IP67 should be able to be dropped in 3 feet of water for up to 30 minutes... doesn't that constitute "submersible" ?
I have a BX-8DR. It seems like a good radio when looking at specs vs other radios?
Super confusing with all the models. I just bought the new Q336 and it looks identical on the outside but manual mentions gps etc as (optional)' also no info on superhetrodyne for mine.
I'm curious: Is there a hand held that will do all the things you tested ?
When i searched for this radio, i saw that DanPlanet Chirp supposedly supported the radio.
What you likely saw was my issue ticket documenting the request to support the Q10H. I am working on the driver but it is not supported yet.
Going to skip this until quality improves or prices fall
I wonder if they're using the spurious emissions as a feature and calling it cross band repeating? 😄😆🤙🏽
Haha
The question is would you have bought this radio?
Chirp Beta Driver Released!!!
Hey Josh thanks for sharing this video Chinese really coming out with some nice 30 years ago I wouldn't look at them but now they certainly piqued my interest ❤️
Someone needs to make a CB and 10 meters handheld with all mode!!!!!
Josh, I am not quite understanding what your saying here. Is there a problem with the 2m side not transmitting correctly? or not putting out enough power? I have doutes about this radio and I don't need a quad band, just a duel band radio 2m/70cm.
The radio creates spurious emissions, meaning you are heard outside the frequency you are transmitting on. It violates FCC rules.