Quad Band! Wouxun KG-Q10H Ham Radio Review
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- The new Wouxun KG-Q10H is a quad band, 6 meters, 2 meters, 1.25 meters & 70 centimeters that supports cross-band repeat. That is in addition to being true USB-C charging and Air Band receiving.
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UPDATE: We have word from Wouxun that they are working on an update to the issues encountered in this video. When we see an updated model, I will test that unit!
Awesome news, thanks for the update Josh. ;)
@HamRadioCrashCourse will the spurious emissions issue be cured with a firmware update or will there be a version 2? Thanks for your great videos. 73
Hi, I don't know whether you saw my comment but you and Ham Radio 2 have very different output values on several of the Bands. He put its down to poor quality control, which if true doesn't speak well for the Brand and doesn't encourage me to buy it. He says he's getting 1.5W on !.25M. He claims his readings are accurate as I'm sure you do. So who or what to believe?
Does anyone know if the updated version is out?
Interested in finding out if the updates version came out
I just ordered one of these. I cannot believe that after only 60 days in this hobby I already own 7 hand held. this is my first high dollar one.
I understand why keeping spurious emissions to a minimum is an admirable goal and all, but let's keep things in perspective. We're talking about a 4-watt transmitter with a far less-than-ideal antenna. How much interference are we really generating? Even your own special Icom receiver one foot away couldn't pick anything up.
This is one to watch and see if they can improve the purity of. I do like the feature set and capabilities for the price point.
What's the price?
@@RsDefcon$219, I believe.
They will only improve the purity if they add additional filtering circuits. I don't see this happening, as that is the expensive bit.
Got mine In Saturday! Love them so far
If the GPS location worked with APRS natively. That would be great. It's still pretty good... I have never used an HT on 6 meters, but it can't hurt. I do use the other three, and currently have tri-band Bao Feng HTs, and they do most of what I want.😊
I purchased one and it is in my hot hands. Been reading and pushing buttons.
They packed a lot of stuff in that little package, but I sure wish it had Bluetooth capability. Being able to program without a cable and use a common Bluetooth headset would have really been the icing on the cake.
I was thinking programming through the USB-C port would be great. Two less proprietary cables to worry about compared to a USB capable Baofeng.
With all the equipment that uses type-c, I ALWAYS have a cable handy.
@@davidhawkins847 - An excellent idea. $16 for ANOTHER proprietary cable is not what anyone of us needs.
@@g-whiz286 The cheap knockoff prolific chip cable I had for uv5r from 2013 worked perfectly to program this radio on Saturday with the wouxun software.
@hithere7382
That's good to hear. That means one less proprietary cable to source and carry around (for charging) and one multi-use cable.
With all the electronics we support nowadays, I keep a kit handy that contains all the cords and adapters needed. The less proprietary equipment needed, the easier it is to source in an emergency or due to breakage. While the kit isn't too big, the smaller I can have it, the more I have room for other concerns.
@@davidhawkins847 My profile picture is of Buck Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove... You're preaching to the choir.
They need a clear version of this one.
Anyone who has any influence with these companies needs to amplify this request! 😂
You my friend are AWESOME....... I wish you lived in the North of BOSTON area ....
Although the regular Mirkit cable doesn't work, the Mirkit Model 5 cable does work on this HT (the 6 in 1 cable).
I got a blue one on Friday. Overall I like it. It’s not perfect, it probably won’t be used a ton, but I think I do like it.
Got mine in the mail Saturday. So far, not bad. Been playing with the local 6m repeater, I am hitting it, but nobody came back to me. I did test and discover it does not have AM TX. May grab another 6m HT, (Wouxon makes another I guess?) and try some simplex repeater testing? Or use the 705.
A few things I don’t like about it, or a fan of the screw off cover for the K plug, and unimpressed that they didn’t use an IP rated jack instead of a fully removable (and losable) cover. There is what I assume to be a dummy cover on the other side, that screw is covered by a cheap black sticker. Not a fan of the default ptt mapping, but fully programmable buttons makes up for that. Build doesn’t feel as good as KG-UV9D.
Doesn’t do full duplex so not as useful for birds.
Preliminary testing compared to kg-uv9d led me to believe the speaker is not as good either.
But a quad band HT is still too cool to pass up.
73 K9MKE
I'm curious how rigorous the testing for the FCC Compliance was performed. I gather that independent labs do the testing for the manufacturer to supply results, so there's incentive to pass customers' equipment to continue to work with them further.
A properly built certification system includes audits and harsh consequences for labs who fail audits.
I've worked for the government and give it an honest 50/50 chance the FCC did this right.
50/50 is about what covid was./s
The FCC doesn't do much. The process is an independent lab does all the tests. Then compiles a report and files it with the TCB (Telecommunications Certifications Bodies) which essentially signs off on the report or raises any questions. So as long as the report from the independent lab looks good then the equipment gets passed. Sure the equipment can be audited. But guess who does the audit? The same place that did the initial report
I have had this radio in my cart, but have not bought it yet. Blue is now back ordered. 😢 Looking forward your review. I thought I saw one of your sons flash the radio last night on the after chat. LOL. Really like that it is 6 watts on 2m, 70cm and 6m and 3 watts on 1.2m. Heather KM6ZQB
I hope that it is better quality than the KG-UVD1P which had a common problem. In less than a year it would start speaking Chinese. I spoke with support and they tell me they know of this problem and that a chip has gone bad, but that I would have to pay to have it replaced. This ended any possibility of me owning another one of their products.
Xband RPT is cool, GPS is cool but pretty limited when you can only decode with another wouxun radio
Looking forward to your thoughts
Has anyone been able to confirm beyond the mention in the sales paragraph that it is actually is a superhet radio? I suspect that it may not actually be one... But I can't confirm since the relevant documentation in the FCC filing has been marked as private and can't be downloaded/viewed.
Oo. There is no 1.25 metres in the UK but would be nice to get one on 70cm/2/4/6.
FYI the attenuator you linked is only a 3db @ 25 watts.
The part is correct, the listing is not.
@@MikeGroves I ordered one without checking, and can confirm it is 3db, not 25db. The listing appears to be correct.
They put in a display mode just for Randy?😂
Yes! Super Cool.
Josh I sure enjoy your videos. You have a great way of explaining things. W7GUM 73
Thank you Stacy!
Just wondering, but I have a programming cable for my Baofeng (Chirp), and am wondering if these cables are generic or wired specifically for the individual manufacturers. Think I need to buy another cable...? Edit: Never mind! Hadn't watched the entire video yet.
thank you
I have a BX-8DR. It seems like a good radio when looking at specs vs other radios?
14:20 but this is a 3db?
What is the distance in km these walkie talkie support practically realistically support ?
Can you do GMRS how come no one ask that we need to communicate with our kids that have GMRS please let me know thanks
I just saw the wouxun kg-q336.
Some things I don't like on Wouxuns.
Small batteries.
2 PTT buttons. I really hate this.
Is it possible to send a text messaage to the other users of this kind of radio or if some one has some similar device like BAOFENG or something else?
What is with your short signal stick? Please explain.
It’s a 70cm signal stick.
Great video. All meat. No begging for likes and subs, crazy intro it other stuff.
what is the Icom device in this video?
ICOM R30 receiver.
Is that a signal stick on the 52?
It is! They have 70cm antennas now.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse Mine are coming on Monday, that will kick ass for around the house and in cars around town. Those 19" whips are great but in some places... Long live the bnc adapters too so we can switch between them all willy nilly without destroying the sma threads.
Will this radio transmit outside the ham bands out of the box or does it require a MARS mod? Anyone try transmitting on 49MHz yet? 😂
Mars mod would probably be required, most Wouxun radios don't TX below/beyond. Their pretty locked down.
Where did you get that mat?!
Quirky QRP on Etsy.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse thank you sir
THANK YOU... ITS A NO
Bottom line - not legal HT, and its 220 MHz band essentially doesn't exist, and it's $200. You aren't the only tester who found it failed testing. Any ham who uses an illegal transmitter shouldn't be a ham. The FCC will agree with me on that. Amateur radio is one of the very few self-policing government licensed services. But it won't be for much longer if we're willing to transmit on illegal equipment. Other hams tested each of us and signed their names on a request to the FCC to issue us a license. Would hams running radios with illegal outputs be willing to walk up to each of those hams who signed on the dotted line for them and say, "I run an illegal transmitter, and I don't care who I spew trash on or what services I interfere with." Would they be willing to do that? Would they be willing to tell an FCC field engineer that? Because that's what they are telling the world every time they key that transmitter and announce their callsign. Anybody with a $60 TinySA and an antenna can tell from several blocks away if a ham is regularly spewing illegal harmonics, and they will. We are responsible for our transmissions, period. Don't run illegal transmitters. We agreed not to when we were issued our licenses. If you want to run a rig with a dirty output then add an outboard filter. That's what you are required and expected to do. That's ham radio.
I’m not disagreeing with you. But I am curious how this passed FCC testing.
My intention for the Chirp driver is to implement ALL the features the Wouxun CPS provides and then some. Just like I did for the 980P, 1000G, G+, 935G, G+, 9PX, 9GX, 8H. Although the custom color settings may be a challenge. It is coming along nicely but will take some time since Wouxun made significant changes to the memory usage from previous radios that will slow things down a bit.
That is great news. Cheers to you! Best of luck!
Thank you Mel
Hey, I appreciate your work! Thank you, anywhere I can donate with a suggestion?
Does the NotARubicon theme automatically turn the Roger Beep on?
Probably. 🤪
I think it makes the radio bitch about "sad people".
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Built in gps 😃
Not for APRS 😭
Are you only using 30dB of attenuation? You should probably have 50dB or more so that you do not overload the input of your TinySA. Some of those spurs are likely generated internally and are not "real" which is why your other radio does not "hear" it.
So is there a process to convert it to out of band transmit? My older Wouxons simply required a key code to unlock out of band transmit but with my recent experience unlocking my TYT UV-88 (Which has the latest firmware ala 2022) I’m guessing that there maybe some hacks necessary on the programming software.
Great stuff Josh and love to see Quad band radios coming on the market. Now the challenge for a cheap 10m FM HT!
Yes! I have been wanting a 10 meter HT for a while and just can't find one!
What would be easier on an HT, 10m FM or 6m SSB?
I would love that. Even if it was FM only I would be happy. Makes POTA/SOTA activations much easier one HT with 4+ bands.
Ive been waiting for you to do a review of this one for spurious emissions!! Thank you!!❤
Well, that's a shame, and not being spectrally clean means that this radio is "out" for me. I find the Baofeng GT-5R to be spectrally clean, and a great value. I tested two of them at home, and additionally at the ARRL booth at this years Hamvention.On technical grounds, radios that produce harmonics are "wasting" energy. On ETHICAL grounds, I won't use a radio that may cause harmful interference to others. It also shows that Baofeng CAN play by the rules and deliver a good product, when they want to, and we should have the same expectation of Wouxun. Otherwise, in general, I stick with the YIK radios, but we need competition in the marketplace to keep the prices down! We will see MORE Chinese radios, and they will get better. Its no different than when the Japanese "YIK" radios came on the market and successfully competed against the established American firms now many years ago. 73 DE W8LV BILL
What does YIK mean, or stand for? I tried googling it, and adding references to Japanese handheld radio, Japanese ham radio, etc but I couldn't find any pages talking about "YIK" or explaining what it means
@@cyleleghorn246 Yaesu Icom Kenwood I believe
@@netnhamradio thank you!! I had a feeling the Y might have been for Yaesu when I was googling it, but didn't put the other two together. They are all good radios and they make solid handhelds but I wish they'd release a nice quad-band or something like we're seeing from the Chinese companies. I wouldn't mind paying $250 for this wouxun radio (or something like it) if I knew it wasn't breaking any regulations behind my back and putting me at risk of legal consequences
FYI I've used a standard Baofeng programming cable on my Wouxun radios and it works fine. Same with the handheld mic.
Many years ago I worked in an electronics lab. Any piece of test equipment that wasn’t calibrated was labeled “for reference only”. Our SWR meters, power meters, etc. are for reference only, which for my purposes is just fine. . . . ps: what’s the Not A Rubicon theme? Or, should I not ask?
It’s a lot of orange. Looks good!
I’ve done similar emissions/harmonic testing in my HT’s. I am not at all convinced my non-engineering, desktop, SDRPlay testing approximates the results of real engineers with real test equipment. Josh, what would be interesting is to take these radios, have a qualified engineering group test them, then compare their results with your TinySA. That would tell you whether this has any real-world value.
Well looks like it did have some value no? ... considering they fixed the radio and the "spurious" emissions are now gone ? I'm thinking of purchasing this radio ...as my first pick in a "less cheap" radio graduating from boofaangs.
It would be good to actually test the superhet parts of the radio, adjacent channel rejection, image rejection, selectivity, agc, audio distortion etc. Most of that would require a service monitor. Good video on the spurious xmitter issues. 73
Could you do a teardown of the radio?
Would be interesting to see if it is still a traditional superhet (like the pricepoint implies) that Wouxuns have so far been.
Or if it has some single chip wonder like BK4819 used in Quansheng UV-5K?
Dang…the print quality on your Quirky QRP mat is waaaaaaay better than the one I just received. I can barely read the frequency/band ranges.
Thanks Josh, great video! Wouxun is doing great things! We cannot get the Q10H on our side of the puddle, we have the Q336 instead which is a triple-band 4m/2m/70cm device. I would have liked to see a Q10H on our side with 4m instead of 1.2m (we don't have that band here in the UK), but having something with 6m/4m/2m/70cm would be absolutely a-bloody-mazing! Keep up the good work! PS: And @HamRadioDX Hayden yes, how awesome would a 10m FM HT be! Heck, I'll buy it if that is the only band it does! :-) The thickest part might just be the antenna, but I don't care. Who do I pay for a 10m HT? TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Thought buy two way radio said it did 6 watts. Lol
A great review that layed out all of the good, the bad, and the ugly. Thanks Josh! KD9PDE Sure wish it did APRS
Recently moved to North Idaho and the local repeater group has a 6M repeater connected to the linked repeater system. This would be very handy way back in the woods where VHF is sketchy at best.
I really want to like it but considering we can't use 1.25m here, I dont think its really worth it for me, even with 6m and cross-band repeat.😐
I’m not going to care more about spurious emissions than the federal agency that defined the rules on spurious emissions. If they approved it, I’m satisfied.
So…does it do full duplex for sat ops? Crossband repeat capable makes me think yes?
Someone please answer this man!
I really really want one that includes 23cm and 33cm. I have two discontinued Alinco tribanders (together worth a small fortune) that cover those bands but only one each along with the 2m and 1.25m on both.
Cheers Josh very interesting and love that you put things in Laymans terms , for people like me, because I’m still Learning , as we go, as my father would say every day is a school day. Thanks again Alan from over the pond in little old England. Cheers 🍻🇬🇧👍
I'd like to say that you shouldn't review radios that don't meet the emissions standards, but then if you didn’t review them no one would know how bad some of them are, so keep doing what you're doing! 😊
This is a feature packed HT that hams shouldn't buy. Hams are the first to complain about EMC/RFI from other spectrum users, so Hams need to live by the standards too.
73, Fraser MM0EFI
Yep. I’d rather get the info out there than people not know.
8:31 IP67 should be able to be dropped in 3 feet of water for up to 30 minutes... doesn't that constitute "submersible" ?
Is this one a real full duplex radio? So would it be a good one for satellite operation?
I totally intuitively understand what you are saying, but as a beginner I need to start with the basics- any courses 0n tnis device for novices?
Going to skip this until quality improves or prices fall
Wouxun was my first 2m/70cm radio ~12 years ago and I absolutely loved it.
I would like to see how the smiley 2m 5/8 wave ht antenna does on the 6m & 2m bands
The small dual PTT buttons are no good for me. I wear gloves 8 months outta the year. I like a big pronounced PTT button like the ft-65
I prefer a speaker mic clipped up on my shoulder... reach up and hit PTT on the mic... got used to that when I repaired electronics at a casino. We used small handhelds to communicate around the casino(it was 1/2 mile from the shop to the far end of the casino!) in case of a needed part or extra help with an unruly customer...
Please do a yeast vx-6 and kgq10h shootout.
Sensei Josh, thank you for this. You are one reason I went from GMRS(WROT417) to HAM(KQ4IXD). This type of video, unlike the live and “afterchat” videos hold more for ME (and yes, I understand it is NOT all about ME!). Thank you all you do for the HAM community. Anyway, I was looking for a WOUXUN HAM radio, but, your (earlier) glowing praise of the “Mate” had me earlier bypassing this one…now?
You missed the best feature! The i dont trust my gf feature! With 2 of these radios you can gps track, AND recieve audio!
I said I didn’t have a second one to test that. 😂
I sure wish a radio would "just show up" on my doorstep.
I guess start making videos? And build a community? 🤷🏼♀️
Chirp Beta Driver Released!!!
Mine came on Saturday and I like it except 1)no aprs 2)no sd card 3)no bluetooth and 4)no rt systems or chirp. Mine came almost completely full, on a usb a to c cable on a 1.5a charger it was full/green light in 10-15 minutes. I killed it by leaving it playing the FM radio all night and in the morning it took over 4 hours to charge via that same charger. I made it do show voltage instead of branding on boot and it was at 8.4 volts for a long time before the green light came on.
Seen a video it put out 1.5 watts 220MHz 1 watt on 6m. My Yaesu HT does 5 watts on 6m AM & FM. I have two Wouxun GMRS radios the tones don't all work on all of them. My buddies have the same radio. Same tones didn't work. Funny part, Notarubicon promoted the radio and the tone didn't work for his own repeater. Did he make a video and get it fixed? No he didnt. Buytwowayradios couldn't fix it. They actually said use a open tone. You can't use a open tone on the uplink genius.
Where I'm tripping up is 'why six meter?' Six meter is CW and SSB. Unless this thing has SSB then what's the point? If it DOES (it doesn't) sign me the f'k up since that would give me 2m SSB too.
There are 6 meter repeaters.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse Interesting.
Still, and this is something i've wondered off and on for awhile, why no SSB/CW HTs? Yes yes range issues, but plonk one down set an antenna up for a bit of PotA, or embrace that short distance for code practice, or... It's just 'it can't be that hard to impliment. It just can't.'
The market doesn’t exist. People that want to do weak signal all mode are buying radios designed for that.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse Pity, because I could see an onramp to get more newbies in, but at the same time? My complaint is largely 'past very repeater centric work these thigns cost HOW much outside of a QRP kit?!'
Does it do full duplex for sat use? If it was mentioned I didnt catch it.
I couldn’t find any way to engage full-duplex.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse well dang. I was hopeful with the Xband repeat function it had 2 receivers, not just “dual vfo but one at a time”
How accurate is the GPS?
Has anyone really tested the APRS (or some similar function) in it?
As I know, Wouxun only stated, that sending coordinates will work between their Q-series, but it could mean they finally got APRS, not that it will NOT work with other brands!
Ok so I'm newish to radios don't know alot working on my tech license, right now I have the best radio on the market uv5r..... what would be a radio you could recommend for 250 and down, HT
I don't think I'll be replacing my Yaesu VX7 with this, can't use it on GMRS in a pinch and needs different antenna for 6M and 220.
Blows my mind that programming directly via the USB-C port is not an opinion. Almost perfect otherwise now they fixed the spurious emissions.
UPDATE-AN ALL BLACK VERSION IS NOW AVAILABLE, AND YES, THIS CAN TRANSMIT ON GMRS. HOLD DOWN THE 2 BUTTON WHILE TURNING ON THE RADIO. OF COURSE THIS IS FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY.
If the HT has a color display it will probably be unreadable outdoors in normal sunlight. I have a Wouxun KG-9UV with color display that i got expressly for satellite work. It is unuseable outdoors in normal sunlight. My el cheapo Baofeng UV5R has a much more readable display.
Frequency on my TinySA is off, just like yours is... rest works fine. For $49...
1.25 meters usually has better propagation than 2m!
It would not cost much to make these all mode... the receiver chips can handle it... SSB handheld would be sweet!
neet HT ! love that cross band repeat . starting to see usb C PD charging more now. 6 meters is a interesting band. hard to get much antenna gain on 6 meters unless go long. I got a 4 band mobile radio that FM only as well. but 10meter,6 meter ,2 meter.70cm. no 1.25 meter. we have a 10 meter repeater buy me. part of a link system. 1.25 meter part of that link. only 6 meter repeater buy me is just to far away . the one right buy me is down but still listed . and yes you can use 10 meter and 6 meter repeater's on a Icom IC 7300. lately 10 meters propagation is poor. lots of QRM . same with 6 meters but less QRM . not many HT with 6 meters. like to see that put on better spectrum analyzer . not saying what you have is wrong or bad. just worth taking a outher look. I never rely on one piece of test equipment even if it is a real good one. calabreatation may be off or something. 73's
I'm very interested in this radio. The price is right/
OK the problem, several other Hams have reviewed it and the power outputs are all over the place and most;y low for 6M and 220 Mhz. What gives and can I get a reliable reading from you guys?
I purchased one but had to return it. The sound quality was dire, especially on 2mtrs. It sounded to be off channel, but even adjusting for that didn't fix it. Maybe it only affected the early batch?
999 channels. How many banks?
Curious why you think bidirectional crossband repeat will stress the radio more than one way. If everyone is transmitting on one band and receiving on the other, the radio will be close to 100% duty cycle either way. This is the way we’ve used crossband before where one radio is at the top of the hill and everyone else can see it from their positions. While useful, we found that we rarely had need of it.
Will it talk on GMRS?
This is my 4th handheld radio and I love it. I have two of them and the performance price balance is soo good for me. I got started with the Baogeng then move to the Quesheng, on to the Tid and finally landed on this radio. I now understand why you pay more for these handhelds. I still have and use all of my other radios but this is my daily carry.
That cross band repeat might make it a good radio for Satellites
Not true full duplex
@@K7AAY It doesn't have to be full duplex to work satellites.
Is there a mars mod for it ?
Is it chirp compatible
Where did you get the pad you are working on. I’m new to this and the would be a nice reference to have around?
Super confusing with all the models. I just bought the new Q336 and it looks identical on the outside but manual mentions gps etc as (optional)' also no info on superhetrodyne for mine.
Full duplexer?
Enjoyed "more power to you" when talking about spurious emissions. 😉
But seriously, great review; thanks. I think I'll wait for the updated model (or will it be firmware? That would be nice for the early adopters...)