The Incoherence of Modern Gender Theory
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- Matt Fradd chats with Rine Favale about modern gender theory.
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The amount of actual children and hostile adults in this comment section is crazy. I guess spending a few bucks to promote this as an advertisement did its job lol. It’s disheartening how every single one of them resorts to name calling, “educate yourself!1!”, and “you obviously have no clue what youre talking about!” when 1) Abigail had followed the theory for years, studying it in college and 2) both are human beings who have contemplated and dealt with their own sex and how they place in society.
I relate on all levels with Abigail. I’m 18 and have spent most of my adolescence drowning in feminist and Marxist theory. My advice to the young kids in this comment section is to stop solely using Tumblr (that’s what led to my echo chamber) or whatever other bubble you’re stuck in. Go outside. Talk to people. Take the time to understand others’ arguments and why they believe such-and-such, offline AND online. Matt Fradd is a great channel to do that with. I recommend listening to this specific episode in its entirety.
I wish I’d left the feminist bubble sooner. Diving deep in middle school did NOT help my psychological state. I’m still struggling to recuperate from the mental and self-imposed social damages.
Right on, "it affirms sexual stereotypes" If your 5 year old boy picks up a doll, he is put on the lgbtq fast track to surgery and hormones. It is all such nonsense, but no less dangerous.
If that were to happen I'm locking him in his room with a TV playing ESPN football highlights on repeat, handing him a football, & a playboy magazine. I'll leave him in there for several days & pray for the best.
@@veddermn8 Parents, who are misinformed and scared, activist who are pushing an ideology about "gender" . And Doctors and "therapist" who profit from "affirmation". Sorry for all the " " ,, but since the activists have butchered our language, it is required now.
Everyone in the commets:
"is this against lgbt or not? Please tell me because im to impatient to actually watch and pay attention to the video. I want to know if I should hate therse people are not"
Nah man, I just don't want to give this guy revenue if he's anti lgbt
@@hizkias2679 he's anti -TQIA+
@@nestorv7627 ooh nasty, thanks for the heads up
N S Those are just random letters you hit on your keyboard.
They need the media to tell them what opinion is trendy, how else will they get upvotes and likes?
“There is millions of genders.”
*huh*
Haha I know right, like look, there's only three, chill XD
Dead Vampire nah,2.
@@LouieMeekin So you don't believe Agender and Bigender people exist?? That's pretty transphobic dude. You should think through why you believe that, and the harm it's causing others.
Dead Vampire If not believing in trendy flavor of the week made up genders is”transphobic”even though I never mentioned transgender people,then so be it?
Dead Vampire are there any facts to back that up?
I hope this doesn't come across as rude, but I don't think the logo is attractive. It doesn't look like Matt and it's just unpleasant to my eye.
As long as it's not on display in a Catholic Church it's fine.
I think you make a valid point, RR.
What we should learn about gender theory is that stereotypes are wrong.
Don't bully the boy who hates participating in sports and would rather play a musical instrument.
Don't raise an eyebrow, when a woman says she hates shopping.
Don't assume a man is gay if he likes Broadway musicals or figure skating.
It's OK if the wife earns more than the husband or has more college degrees.
And Moms should not ignore the stay-at-home Dad at school.
agreed, too bad gender ideology relies on all the sex stereotype while pretending to despise them.
Although I will give them credit they are just having a civil discussion about the theory in general and don’t seem to be advocating either way which is how I feel topics like this should be discussed because it’s the only way to come to a real conclusion. Rather than just perpetuating the argument
I agree discussions should be civil though two people talking with the same basis is hardly a discussion to me. Just talking. Which is fine, and can be fun! But I think real discussion and real change occurs when two people with different ideas can come together to discover their middle ground,because at the end of the day all we want is for ourselves, and our world to be better.
So you're saying having everyone's arguments be neutral leads to everyone coming to a consensus on very complex issues like this? These topics are very complex, and I think if you're making an argument around or with the thought of having others agree with you, that's when nothing productive will happen. Not when you choose to not stand for an opinion. Furthermore, I don't think they're being unbiased, if they were being unbiased they'd be talking about definitions and facts. All they're talking about is an "ousider" perspective bases off their biases and ignorance.
@@ArrowVampire in addition them not being clear on their side leads to a waste of money for making it an ad and not much discussion leading off of it
I was and am such a tom boy, and it's weird I haven't heard that term used in years
Me too. When I was younger I was extremely tomboyish. I’m afraid if my parents were crazy about gender theory they (or other adults) would have tried to get me on hormone therapy. :(
Tom boy is a charming term used to refer to the girl child who displays her positive animus spirit. In Asia the reciprocal term for a male child performing girlish is Lady boy, Here we'd call him a sissy for his positive anima. See Rod Fleming's HSTS on You Tube. Your name says it all. It is not at all weird, It's just a sign of a complete persona. If you ever see the movie "Fried Green Tomatoes" note the character of Idgy.
All the Tom Boys were coerced into thinking they're lesbians. Notice how no one is coming out as lesbians these days? They're made to believe they're trans or bisexual these days.
Biology alone determines ones sex.
The difference between a feminine man and a transwoman (or a masculine woman and a transman) is the sense of identity. Feminine men feel no discomfort in being called “he,” having to use the men’s restroom, being put on the boy side of a boys v. girls game at school, etc. Transwomen do.
Well said
Good point. Just real quick though, the term is trans woman, not transwoman. Like how a gay man is a gay man, not a gayman.
Jay Dean Well you could use either. One is an adjective modifying a noun and the other is just a noun with the description included in its definition. I guess it’s just a linguistic inconsistency that gayman isn’t really a thing.
@@adamparks1300 As a trans person, I promise you, mashing the two words together is not the right way to describe a trans person. Trans people are people who are trans. They're not a whole other species entirely.
Jay Dean Both ways are correct, and just because one has a negative connotation to some people doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Words only have as much power as you assign to them.
Is this against, for, or neutral to lgbtq+? Sorry I didn't really get a lot of Information from them
i'm pretty sure it's against ??
@@v1scerally No. It's just disproving things.
@@HumanAndroid18 i mean it can be subjective but when someone is trans they're literally born with the brain of their opposite sex.
Christian TH-camr? Anti
@@Dante45p you do realize christians can be pro lgbt?
You cant question it because they dont have an argument. Their stance holds no water
2 genders change my mind
True
Y'aint wrong so I can't.
sorry man i can't argue with that
My friend are implying that you actually have a mind.
Factual actual
Thanks TH-cam, this is exactly what someone who binge-watches Contrapoints and Ash Hardell would want to watch. You know me *so* well...
@Andrew S
Lol this was in my recommended and I am always watching Thomas Sanders and Ash Hardell
Same
Ikr
The video was sponsored. They paid money to have it show up as a recommendation.
Taylor Holloway Seriously? No wonder why it popped up in my recommendations. I literally watch lgbtq+ creators constantly
Two years on from this discussion, Stonewall has decided that sexuality is now gender-based attraction (they describe homosexuality as same gender attraction). Given that Stonewall also claims that a person's gender is whatever they claim it to be, this new definition of sexuality ostensibly denies the sexuality of billions of people on the planet, who's preferences are based on biological sex, not claimed gender identity.
the b in lgbtq also stands for bisexual
Nesper no it means you like two genders
What else does it mean?
kk world they are bi but normally they prefer to be with the same sex. How often do you see a bi man looking to be relationship with a woman? You are either homosexual or straight. Bi people are homosexuals, you can’t truly love both genders, because one will put way the other. How often do you see a bisexual man stop being in a homosexual relationship with another man to be with a woman? It’s normally the opposite. Bisexual women don’t quit their homosexual partnership and go find a man. They are either homosexuals or they are not.
@@aheartonfire7191
Have you ever met a bi person?
@@aheartonfire7191 i have seen it plenty of times. Including myself leaving another man for a woman.
I have a cousin who left her entire family and has fallen into this cult. I pray she comes back to her mother sometime soon.
These people are not worth saving. Don't waste your energy. What kinda perv mutilates their genitals for the sake of a fad? RIP
Good for her for leaving a hope because they didnt support her. Whether he opinions good or bad she has a full right to do that.
As Christians, we have to believe they're worth saving. She's one of the funniest, most artistically talented people I know. We love her more than the crazy activists ever will.
@@EC-rd9ys Then just leave it. I know it sounds hard but just except her and love her and move on. She needs her family's support so give it to her.
As a fellow Christian. Don't call it cult. That's just stupid.
Maddiy Gender Disphoria does not cause suicide. Gender Disphoria just means that the person is not positive about ones gender or sex.
“Loved to think about my deep thoughts...” I don’t know why, but that statement just comes off to me as really funny.
But yes, modern gender theory requires the historical bases of man and woman to argue anyone is transgender.
It’s akin to arguing the universe is “unjust” to prove God doesn’t exist, without acknowledging what basis you use to deem everything “unjust.”
@@Egghead012 Therapy can help but that's about it.
@obsedian crystal
Would you say then we shouldn't accept those with mental illnesses? That we shouldn't normalize them, or give them medication to help aid their suffering? Or does this apply solely to those with gender dysphoria? For example, depression is something that can't be cured but with outside support, medication, and therapy can be helped. Should we stop making glasses for people who can't see, or wheel ramps for those who can't walk?
@@jordan9604 that was a response to obsidian saying we shouldn't "force" people to accept different ways of life, different states of being. That it's a ridiculous and dangerous idea to say that we shouldn't try to make the world a better place for people who are suffering within it, even if that means conforming to their maladies, be them Physical or Mental.
No-one should be forced to feel anything they don't want to feel, but you also can't force those same marginalized people to feel like their problems are make-believe and/or insignificant. That they're lives aren't worth the effort of improving. Advancing and adapting our human rights only encourages each other and our government to take bolder steps towards our safety and freedom.
@@jordan9604 Mental Health and Physical Health are undeniably comparable, especially in the case of dysphoria where your mental health is directly correlated to your physical appearance. I understand though why you'd see it that way, it's simply easier to argue against something you can greater understand and possibly relate too. One of the reasons people don't want to try and understand the issue is because they're alienated from it. They have no comparable experience so they downplay it as impossible, simllilar to how our brains can't imagine nothing. We shouldn't and we haven't stopped researching other cures for transgenderism, but we'll never get much farther without public support. For now social and medical transitioning is the best we can offer. It's not the be-all cure that people are hoping for but it is a stepping off point. I'm not naive enough to think I can change your mind and that was never really my intention, but I do hope you'll reevaluate some of your positions to create the better world we both want to see, even as we disagree on how.
I used to play with dolls and it never affected me, I used to take the dolls head off, fill it with mulberries, put the head back on, then throw it on the road and wait for a car to run over it and watch its brains splatter, we wernt gender specific, if Ken was available and up for it, he got the guernsey. 🤪
LOL
Matt sure triggered a bunch of abcdef+ people lol
Modern gender theory confuses me a lot. I feel it's contradictory.
"Men and Women are equal."
Cool. I dig it.
"Thus, women can do all things men stereotypically do. Sports, military, wear pants."
Easy to understand, then the next line of thinking should be
"Thus, men can do all things women stereotypically do. Care for children, cook, wear makeup."
Right? Right.
"But some men can identify as women, and some women can identify as men"
.... But why? If they are truly equal, then there is no reason to seek change. Following that logic, wouldn't that mean a transgender person doesn't personally see the two genders as equal?
Not trying to rile anyone up, just writing down my thoughts.
Nah, they still equal, just means that their genitals make them feel wrong. It's a weird brain thing.
Trans people dont really choose to be trans, they would be cis if they could be but they cant.
Well someone woke my brain up... thanks someone explained my logic
Because the "equal society" isn't accepted by most cultures and so long as gender roles are either explicitly or implicitly enforced there will be people who want to conform to a different identity. At the end of the day what matters is their personal preference and while men and women are equal, they aren't necessarily the same and their experiences and feelings differ as well. Most trans people experience body dysphoria as a physical compulsion to resist their assigned gender but other trans people just prefer themselves in a different skin.
Also of note there are people who want to do away with the concept of gender entirely or identify with either side of the gender spectrum at any given time which is also valid. It's a very personal experience.
I will say that after listening several to genderqueer people, I have heard none that actually advocate for children with stereotypically male or female interests but of the opposite sex to say they are the opposite gender. In fact, the people I have listened to say that gender is an internal feeling that is pretty much independent from how you act. I do think your point about innate sexual orientation vs chosen gender identity and expression is a valid concern, however.
I agree, I've never met a single trans or genderqueer person who has said that your interests have anything to do with whether or not you are a man or a woman. They use their childhood interests to back up what they are saying that they feel, not that their interests are what dictates that identity. Which can be confusing because it definitely can look like someone is saying "I've always known I was a girl because when I was little I always wanted to wear dresses" when what they are actually trying to say is "this feeling of being a woman is innate and persistent, even when I was young I always would participate (or want to participate) in typically feminine things, out of this place of identifying with femininity and identifying with girlhood". It's is confusing to explain but in conclusion, no one is saying that being feminine makes you a woman or being masculine makes you a man. Literally no one is saying that, at least in my experience. The "feeling like a man/woman" sentiment is about an innate, deep-seated sense of identity, not interests, behavior, likes/dislikes, or anything else.
@@cedarsofthecoast2746 It is a bit strange though, that people who claim to feel like they're the opposite gender are deemed to actually be that gender, yet if they claim to identify as a different skin tone or species, they're not taken seriously. Counselors try to persuade anorexics that they're not fat, and depressives that they're not better off dead, and yet they're expected to accept without question, assertions of trans identity. There's a contradiction there.
Welcome to the TERFtacular
long ago when we had only just got as far as 4 letters ... LGBT ... I called it 'letting go of biblical tradition' ... now I can't keep up ...
Hey Matt, I’m a sophomore in high school and I just had to tell you that I love the show!! I also love to listen to Pints with Aquinas while getting ready in the mornings or whenever I have free time. Keep up the great work!!
Emotions are complicated, however lgbt+ is just a simple way to label those emotions for those who wish to. Not your argument if you dont know what your talking about though, which you guys clearly havent talked to a trans person to use to support your argument. Being trans isnt about the world outside, it's about how they feel on the inside. if a boy plays with dolls that doesnt mean ANYTHING. However if a boy says he wants to be a girl because he feels like hes a girl that's different, gender dysphoria is different for everybody, it's not depression or sadness, but a disconnection of body and the gender they are on the inside, it's been shown by many scientists that trans peoples minds function the same way as their desired gender.. honestly it's not a hard concept, someone feels disconnected to their gender, and feels happier and correct as a different gender, so let them be happy, let them be a human. Also being trans isnt being another gender entirely?? They're the gender they asccosiate with, nobody knows them better than they do, so quit acting like you know everything. You dont tell a little girl she has to like pink just because she has a vagina do you? No. Because its disrespectful and none of your business how someone feels about their nether regions.
You can’t talk any sense into these people. Despite the scientific evidence they’re just going to keep plugging their ears and screaming because it goes against their confirmation bias.
You missed the entire point of this video. It's that reality isn't subjective and you are and will always be what you were physically born as. No amounts of hormones, surgery or self identification will change you to the opposite sex. You will just be an altered version of what you are. The rest about gender is about how it's all based on masculinity and femininity anyway. A feminine man in a dress is still a man.
@@soflossy6447 Finally a dose of good ol' reality.
Okay- I would like to cover a few things
1. Gender Identity is NOT a sexuality??? A sexuality is who you are attracted to, and gender identity is the gender someone identifies with.
2. I feel there are two sexes. Male and Female. But there are more genders. You can’t identify as an object, but there is male, female, binary (male and female), non-binary (none) , and a mix of both male and female. Being MTF does not mean if you were born male and like girl things, although someone who is trans can be like that. Being trans is not a choice, it’s caused by dysphoria.
3. People should be able to identify however they want to, and I don’t get why you can’t respect that? You don’t have to support it- but just respect people’s feelings..?
Falling Further but if a gender isn’t a sex then what’s a gender, and why are the genders identified with sexes if they are two separate things?
@@carterdavis2822 Sex is biological. Gender how you feel.
binary does not mean "male and female." gender theorists don't use the term "binary" as a gender. they only use the term "non-binary" to refer to people who claim some kind of gender outside of the reproductive functional definition of sex (which in the case of humans is male/female, in other species there can be more than two sexes or no sexes).
@@silg7262 You didn't answer his question - why are genders identified with sexes if they are two separate things? Why do the vast majority of people have a so-called "gender" that matches definitively with their sex? In EVERY other area of human life, when the way you feel is completely different from reality, that doesn't constitute an identity, it constitutes a disorder. If I feel obese but in reality, I'm thin, guess what we call that? Body dysmorphic disorder. That's not an identity, and treatment recommendations don't involve indulging the delusion. They involve cognitive behavioral therapy to acclimate me to reality. If I feel female but in reality, I'm male, that's what we call gender dysmorphia. It used to be called gender identity disorder until activists managed to pressure the APA to change the label to reduce the "stigma" of being called disordered.
Funny how we don't accept the stigma argument when it comes to any other disorder. That's one of the ways you can know when you need to reevaluate your opinions - when your conclusions on nearly identical questions are radically inconsistent. Again, the treatment for gender dysphoria should not involve indulging the delusion. Why is sex any different? Why do otherwise sane people refuse to entertain the possibility that someone can be cured of gender delusions in the same way someone can be cured of any other kind of body delusion? What makes sex so special that the way you feel about is considered an immutable characteristic, that everyone else needs to indulge your delusion by talking about you as if you were a member of the opposite sex, that it should be a _crime_ to treat you with cognitive behavioral therapy?
Another way you can know when your opinions are inconsistent with your real values is asking if you would act consistently with them in every case. Would you have sex with a transgender person? If not, why? Is it because, when it comes to sex, you care about biological _sex_ rather than gender? Why is that? Why is gender the important identity particle in every instance except when the stakes are high? Is it perhaps because you're not really willing to indulge the delusion at your own expense? Perhaps you'll indulge it to avoid conflict or to appear morally superior, but only up to a point.
I get a lot of subtle pro lgbt vibes from this video which I’m not against I just see no point in trying to ratify a word we’ve used interchangeably for hundreds of years that has been used to describe the biological roles in procreation. I don’t agree that we should have gender roles because I know plenty of men that are more feminine but that doesn’t mean anything in terms of weather their gay or not it’s just part of their individual personality. Just like I know plenty of women that are more masculine and I would say the same for them just cause your more masculine or feminine doesn’t mean anything in terms of your sexuality it’s just part of your identity. As for those bringing up gender dysphoria your talking about something that was once treated as a mental illness and had similar characteristics of people with depression/ social anxiety/ and schizophrenia. Before anyone twists that around all I’m saying is it was treated similarly at one point in time I’m not aware it still is. I knew someone that externalized themselves a male which they were but identified as a lesbian female and was comfortable in their male body they were born with. Let that sink in for a bit because that’s exactly what gender dysphoria is. Just a disconnect between how you identify mentally and your physical body. It has nothing to do with your sexuality. That on its own is a separate topic. I’m not against same sex anything or even someone who has trouble understanding gender and sex as being one and the same or someone who chooses to identify as the other sex. My issue is with forcing this whole thing as a societal norm. And using the argument of gender roles and stereotypes and gender dysphoria as a basis as to why we should change the meaning of a single word that in the end doesn’t affect anything. The only thing it does is appease those who are offended by its definition currently. But in changing that your also expecting others who say identify as a straight male to see someone who was born male but identifies as a female as just a female and treat them how they would a female. This creates several issues first off the terms straight gay and lesbian no longer hold any bearing on sexuality so what’s lgbt going to be after that then? Secondly you’ll almost have to flat out tell someone I don’t sleep with someone who has a dick or I prefer pussy or vice versa. Which creates more language barriers that then have to be explained and just expected of our children to cope and come to an understanding with. Lastly it leaves doctors with basically one option when it comes to specific medications and dosing because men and women biologically process chemicals differently that being men might have a weaker or higher tolerance to certain medications so what’s your doctor going to ask. Do you have a dick? I’m not even trying to be vulgar just blunt because choosing to ratify one word because it offends you even though it doesn’t apply to everyone is like someone trying to ratify the term nazi because they might be offended by its global understanding of what the term means. And honestly I’m just sick of the argument that everyone wants to be equal and getting rid of stereotypes and sexism yet doing this is enforcing the idea of gender roles and stereotypes and sexism on everyone because of a few who are offended by a single word. I’ve researched this to death and I’m honestly sick of seeing it pop up in my news feed because it’s a non argument for me there’s fact and theirs what you chose to believe I’m not against either one but don’t try to push your beliefs into others I have the same view with religion.
someone needs to get this man an enter key
There is a user @Draka Von who kept making comments insinuating that gay people choose to be fundamentally attracted to the same sex, but couldn't answer when I asked at what age he chose to be fundamentally attracted to the opposite sex. I tried to engage with him on here, but he refused. I disagree with a lot of the LGBT ideology (including the notion that anyone can be born in the wrong body), but I don't think anybody actively chooses their sexual orientation. At least I haven't ever met anybody who made a conscious decision to be either gay or straight.
I'd be happy to engage with him on here if he wants to.
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I don’t think he ever said you choose. He just called it a disorder. You don’t choose to be autistic or paralytic either, but we consider those disorders. I’m not saying I agree with him, but nowhere did he imply that anybody made a wrong choice. He just said he thinks they have a disorder.
redking36 Its not an illness, or disorder. its just the way some people are, even if they dont like it. however, its not bad, just unusual.
@@redking36 The implication was that there was a moral element to it. That by not saying gay was a bad thing that more people would be inclined to "choose to be gay."
You are developed that way. I wasn't born straight. I wasn't born like "Mhm look at that pussy"
Trauma and abuse can cause one to be gay. Or you could just naturally be that way.
@Ana Laura Meraz I don't know what that means exactly. Sexual fantasizing for pubescent males is very natural. It tends to focus on one pole or the other (men or women). Conversion therapy (trying to get somebody to change orientations) have largely been debunked as ineffective.
How does gender as a social construct reconcile with the sexual preferences we are born with?
It is almost if the gender theory is claiming that we must change our sex (or markers of that sex) in order to fit the social construct.
I clicked on this on accident I am v lost
it makes sense because you are a low iq pocho
What?
Thank you for this. This topic is just confusing for me
I wouldn't take this video as your gospel. It's always interesting though to see the other side of the coin. If you want to learn more about the whole topic I'd suggest maybe contrapoints. She's an academic with a poignant sense of humor (though things tend to get a bit raunchy time to time) who always puts an interesting and personal twist on the idea of transness.
Its designed to be confusing. Its just a fragment of a much more heinous, deconstructive ideology meant to pick apart societies one piece at a time, until it collapses in on itself and lets the Turks conquer Ancient Rome.
Why is there so many dislikes?
I'm assigned female and I can't bear to be in my body as a woman... can only cope with non binary they them... want to tear my skin off otherwise... but want to consecrate my life to Mary and Jesus...I feel like there's no place for me in my faith... :(
I know this comment is from about a year ago but how are you feeling now?
I found this video really interesting. I do see it as a problem that boys who play with dolls are now more often than before read as transgender girls. But I think that there is this misconception being talked about- it is wrong that being transgender has to do with what you like to do or how you dress.
What transgender friends have told me is that being transgender is more a feeling of self than anything else. What I mean by that is that I, as a girl, know that I am a girl regardless of my interests. And they know that too, just that their Gender does not align with their sex (body).
The problem with our today’s world is that we do return to putting everything into boxes, and I totally agree on that. I do not think though that that invalidates transgender identity (I kinda assume you do from the tone of this video). Only if we give children free space to explore the world with their own eyes will we raise stable adults with a solid sense of self, transgender or not.
Hey guys I went to biology and I learned the X and Y chromosomes determine your gender
Must've been a cursory biology course, since it's not that simple.
Jay Dean umm actually yeah it is
@@fatboy7435 umm actually no it's not.
Jay Dean explain why it’s not
@@fatboy7435 The X and Y chromosomes don't always correlate to the sex characteristics that a person ends up presenting with. During development, errors during cell division can lead to the wrong number of chromosomes, including X and Y. Another possibility during development is that the genitalia that develop simply don't "match" the chromosomes in the cells of the fetus. So, a baby might be born with male gonads but be determined, by a karyotype, to have XX chromosomes (or other). There's also the presence of intersex people (people with both gonads in some capacity) and those who are born with neither genitalia. Hormones also play a role (i.e. why transgender people undergo hormone therapy), and they don't always "match" what would be expected with a given set of genitalia. Gender is a lot more complicated than chromosomes or genitalia. Scientists generally understand this, which is why whatever biology course you were in was either outdated or cursory at best.
That's not politically correct, even if it is factually correct. I know this is going to sound horrible, but I honestly believe political correctness is for people who are afraid to speak the truth.
The more one is committed to the lie, the more the truth will hurt.
Fascism pretending to be manners.
@Draka Von You wrote:"The truth you most hate is the truth you most need." We need to stop calling sexual disorientation a sexual orientation. Sickness is not health. Disorder is not order. Filth is not clean.
I've heard this somewhere before. I'm still trying to find out at what age most people choose either their sexual orientation or sexual disorientation. When did you choose yours? And which one is it?
@@es8059 you don't choose your sexual orientation
Sexuality isn't a choice it's a recognition
not everyone is default straight/cis
M G Yes they are.
I think they're ignoring the biological component of transgenderism. It's not about your interests and personality, though those people would identify as nonbinary or something. Anyone who physically feels uncomfortable with their body is treated by transitioning. These people are all trans (though not all trans people transition) I agree those who don't have any dysphoria are reinforcing gender stereotypes, but you can't conflate the two as the same.
I love how they don't talk about the middle ground or really solidify their stance. Lets you get further to understanding.
But seriously though, few people buy the extreme. I think?
Interview below of author, Kim Bruce, on gender and God. Second link has book info Worth a listen:
Sex and gender are complex topics, personally I think currently far more so than they need to be, but thank you both so much for doing absolutely nothing to illuminate or add anything new to the conversation and for filling six and a half minutes with incomprehensible gibberish
1980s: dang look at that woman!
2019: dang look at that woman! Or wait....is it a man?
ture this is
Okay so I (liberal, leftist, cis, lgbtq+) do agree on there being some discrepancies in the common theory of gender. However, the first issue brought up here (about sexuality being innate) is easily resolved by the concept of fluidity of sexuality. I do not believe anyone is 'born' with a gender or sexuality, nor do I believe something has to be innate and present from birth to be valid and acknowledged. Sexuality may very well be defined by upbringing and environment, but it has never been our place to have an opinion on another's preference, lifestyle or love to begin with.
That being said, as a cis woman, I have never understood the concept of gender. All the times I've heard a trans person's struggle it never made sense to me because everything they were describing seemed so stereotypical of the other gender. But once again, just because I can't perceive and understand it doesn't mean it isn't there. Thousands of people would not be pushed into a depression and out of their families because they want to "dress different and play with dolls/cars instead". As a cis person, it doesn't matter if we can't understand.
Some trans people perform gender stereotypes because that's what society demans of them for increasing the chances of being seen as the another gender, but there's also binary trans people that refuse stereotypes and non-binary people
I hated sports too, but not once ever, dud i ever think i wasnt a boy.
This is so deep!
Gender and sex are interchangeable. Gender is not a cultural or personality thing. It’s a biological thing.
I've always thought of modern feminism and lgbtq movement as logically inconsistent too!
Sure, Jan. You just keep playing pretend pseudo-science, now.
2 genders
xXLord UshankaXx REEEEEEEEEEE YOU'RE A TRANSPHOBE!!!! CALL THE POLICE!!!
No I'm not afraid of trans people I just despise there existence
@@xxlordushankaxx4591 their*. Also trans person only switches to the other gender proving there are two genders
Yes But you will never be able to truly change your gender
@@xxlordushankaxx4591 fair enough
I'm of the opinion, male and female share 70% of the same basic things( through and through). So in that way there is only one gender.
Yet, the difference in physical body, easily define it as a gender.
In thinking, in general, males are more linear, more prone to objectify, more likely to have emotion overlap or lag that females don't experience. So the gender 'bits,' have an effect, on the inside too.
But who doesn't have leanings into mythology, enjoyment of body movement ( dance or soccer, or kungfu practise), and enjoy being hugged. Most of both genders( which makes these genderless) like these thing. Plus.....blah, blah.
So I think it's at where it should be, because equality says it's right( it's both it and not it, preferences included)
Good luck
first of all, it's not a matter of opinion. male and female humans share way more than 70% of things. they share the vast majority of coding genes. but that is not how sex or gender is defined, so it's irrelevant. sex is a trait that determines (at least) gamete morphology, for which there is coordinated variation. gender is simply that set of traits which vary predictably along the sexual axis. these are usually sex-linked traits, or downstream of sex-linked traits. they don't need to be responsible for a huge amount of variation to constitute gender. in other words, gender is downstream of sex.
gender is not a description of all of someone's traits. it is specifically a description of traits that differ by sex. sex has a very particular description as well. some species have more than two sexes. some species have no sexes. a species can't have one sex though, since sex is a trait that specifically determines reproductive function, mediated by chromosomes that carry genes which code for sex-linked traits. if you understand how meiosis works, you'll realize why the sexes in every species are going to share the vast majority of genes. if they didn't share genes, it would require them to share zero chromosomes.
if they shared zero chromosomes, "crossing over" wouldn't be possible. that would mean sexual reproduction would be meaningless, it would be asexual reproduction, tantamount to cloning. the way sexual reproduction is mediated is by the exchange of genes between analogous chromosomes. for the chromosomes to be analogous they must share the majority of their genes. otherwise we would call that an isolating mechanism... kind of quasi-zygotic in a sense. so, we must share the majority of our genes.
in some species, the sexes have more or less in common. in some species, sexual dimorphism is so insignificant that you can barely identify an individual's sex. many species benefit from sexual dimorphism for a variety of reasons. but that stuff is all extra. that's really not how sex is defined, nor should it be how gender is defined. sexually dimorphic traits don't add or contribute to "what sex is," it's the exact opposite. sex defines which traits are dimorphic. if there was no reproductive variation, there would be no mechanism for sexually dimorphic traits to evolve. they would just be subject to the ordinary form of genetic variation. ultimately, sex is defined by reproductive morphological variation. as male humans have penises and female humans have vaginas, trees have male and female reproductive organs as well. this is what sex means.
so let's say males and females shared 99.99% of things. that would not mean "there is only one gender." that would mean that humans are a sexually monomorphic species, where the sexes are only differentiated in terms of reproductive function and nothing else. this is not the case, though. humans are among the _most_ sexually dimorphic species on the planet. we are definitely _THE_ most sexually dimorphic primate in the history of the earth. sexual dimorphism is a truly enormous part of how we adapted to the world and came to conquer it. anyone who disputes this has not taken a basic evolutionary biology & ecology course.
Two people discuss something they don't understand and say it's crazy and mad, there now you don't have to watch this video if you were curious why you got it as an ad.
Do you have any form of a counter argument to the questions and points they bring up? Perhaps some information they didn’t note?
i dont under stand
"Gender is autoperception."
-who told you that lie?
Brilliant. Also great that you led with Aquinas. We definitely need to get back to that Saint.
There are two genders. God gives you a gender and when you try to change that your saying that he is wrong. Woman are made to like men and men are made to like women. That simple
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@@lilyharrah6307 it's really not a mental disease it's a way people think now. If it was a mental disease then why hasnt this been a huge thing since early in time?
@@lilyharrah6307 if it's a mental disease then why hasnt it been diagnosed in early human history? Autism was recognized, depression, anxiety, so why hasnt this escape goat to making up a random gender been diagnosed?
I don't think the liking part is as simple as that, but the gender thing definitely is.
@@floryian4830 it's litterly proven that they have different brains
I don't get this video
Just wanna give this video a view before it's deemed incompatible with the Simulation.
"L-G-B-T-Whatever" was pretty disrespectful. I appreciate them just sitting down an having a chat instead of shoving opinions loudly at people, but a conversation like this would benefit from having someone trans or genderqueer at the table to give valuable input.
A trans person would contribute their feelings and anecdotes, but this discussion was about defining the contradictions that LGBT+ people have to live with. Reason > Feelings in a Critical, Socratic discussion. Google the Socratic Method 👍
i dont care
Grow up.
There are only 2
Okay so let me just clarify what I’m getting from what you’re saying. A man is defined by being masculine and liking masculine things such as sports or cars or whatever, and if a man does not like those things, and like feminine things, such as makeup or poetry, then that man is not a man and in reality a woman? I’m sorry but that’s not how that works in the slightest. I might be interpreting or hearing you incorrectly but if I’m not then what you’re saying is wrong in my book. What someone is interested in has nothing to do with their gender or sex. Why can’t we just let children or anyone for that matter like what they like? We as a society have imposed these gender roles onto everyone and it’s unhealthy for girls to be taught that they can only like pink and dolls, and it’s unhealthy for boys to be told that they can only like sports and blue. Apart from that, it’s also very backwards to say that if those kids like something that stereotypically relates to the opposite gender, that they might be trans or confused. As Matt said, he was never into sports and he liked poetry and music, and when you look at him now, he’s obviously not trans and not a woman. In order to move forward, we need to get rid of the fallacy stating that blue and cars and sports and basically showing no emotion is for boys and that pink and dolls and cooking and poetry and crying is only for girls. That belief is extremely damaging. Being trans doesn’t come from liking dolls if you’re a boy; it comes from gender dysphoria, which is diagnosed. I find it wonderful that people are actually thinking what it means to be queer and the abstract concept that is sexual orientation and gender, but you need to be carful with what you say. (Damn j really hope I didn’t interpret what you said incorrectly because that’s what i got)
That’s not what they were saying. They were saying that that’s what they perceived the “trans kids” movement to be saying.
Matt and Rine are too clever by half. Their argument conflates sex with gender (0:24). Their logic fails to recognise the underlying taxonomical linguistic problem of sex and gender as well as attacking strawman argument of 'philosophical inconsistencies'. These are linguistic issues and not philosophical in nature.
They find it humorous that the B in LGBT is somehow disingenuous (0:35) because it 'admits' to binary classification, rather than noticing that it was a term of its day trying to bridge the imposed sexual polarities.
She relates a query she presents her students, "Is sexual orientation innate?" (1:04) She creates a false dichotomy. She finds it to be incoherent, but it is only incoherent (1:32) if you can't get beyond the binary constraint. This is akin to asking if you are born 6-feet tall. The answer is that, say, genetics predisposes you to become 6-feet tall, but this is if and only if your environment-diet, lifestyle, and so on-allow you to reach this potential. If you are Peter Dinklage, you were never destined to become 6-feet tall, and so genetics and environment each have limitations, and that's without traversing the rabbit hole of epigenetics.
She goes on to say that 'You're assigned a sex at birth' (1:20), which is true, but this is done as a simplistic and crude taxonomic exercise. Neither is innate. They are a function of language. (I'll spare us the Saussure.) Not to mention that, even given this binary system, some people have been assigned the 'wrong' sex, as evidenced by the famous case of Herculine Adélaîde Barbin, where as an adult they forced a person raised identified at birth as a female and raised as such until, as an adult, she was reclassified as a male. Oops! #JustSaying
Rine pulls out an anecdotal strawman to attack the one theoretical instance where Person A called out Person B for saying they'd be uncomfortable dating a transgender Person (1:50), presumably, C.
Somehow one's choice of sex partners is the 'ultimate discrimination' (2:22), much more important than discriminating against eating Brussel's sprouts, for example.
So, Matt quips 'unless we are supposed to be having sex with anybody' (2:26), as if he understands the Truth behind this statement and gender-bound sexual activity.
Interestingly, she mentions reductio ad absurdum (2:47), and this is precisely what she does with one non sequitur after another. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. She continues with a weak tea argument that 'sexual orientation' is an orientation to a particular sex. First, sex is (as I've said) a facile categorisation; it's a label. A person is attracted to who a person is attracted to. If a stereotypical male is attracted to stereotypical males, then so be it. Again, they point out the deficiencies of language rather than something more fundamental or profound.
And Rine agrees thus underscoring fundamental attribution bias. Bully.
I love her attacking some monolithic Feminism as if it is some single undifferentiated collective. (3:26) She goes on to attack the boundaries of language again and makes another strawman argument claiming a polarised view (3:53) because a boy likes pink he must identify as a girl. No, to not be a boy is a non-binary world simply means that he does NOT identify as a 'boy'; it doesn't follow that 'they' identify as a 'girl'. In fact, this is where the notion of transgender (or better yet 'intersex') comes in.
Her Rine's faulty argument is to make a claim the under the new rules (sort of like new maths, I suppose), a Tomboy can no longer just be a Tomboy (4:07), but in her 'logic', this person must now consider whether she's a male. (4:45)
Matt attempts to make a case that some man who identifies as a woman somehow now has to be a woman. (5:09) I am not certain why can't see that (channelling Simone de Beauvoir for a few moments) the female appearance is an entirely constructed gender role and that the CIS-male's underlying sex has not magically been altered.
So Matt asks and Rine agrees to the rhetorical question, 'Why [claim social construct] with any enthusiasm?' (5:21) I supposed he had a point to make, get gesticulating whilst uttering this phrase would somehow spawn meaning.
Also interestingly, these people seem to recognise and give credence to the notion of identity, and yet they choose to be the sole arbiters of how it is defined.
Near the end, Rine mentions Derrida's story (5:35) written from a female point of view, which reminded me of Jay McInerney's Story of My Life, where he chooses the same course.
In the end, I have endured a biased polemic. Not only can I not get back my 6:41 minutes, but I've lost the time it took me to type this reaction.
It doesn't really matter whether someone conflates sex with gender, because the definition you're using is completely artificial and highly controversial. The definition, along with the cute little contrast with sex ("sex is biological, gender is how you feel your sex should be"), was fabricated by John Money in the 20th century in an effort to drum up funding for his abusive sex reassignment experiments. Nobody considered gender a distinct category prior to that. Activists can't just force a new definition of a word onto society and then start criticizing people for not using it the way they arbitrarily decided it should be used. If we're going to accept gender as distinct from sex, then we're going to need a new word for how you feel about every other aspect of your "identity." Why is how you feel about your sex any different from how you feel about anything else?
And clearly it isn't, because there's a growing number of people who claim to "identify" as members of other races, as individuals of a different age, and so on. Can you think of any meaningful reason why feelings about sex should be accepted as important and canonical any more than feelings about anything else? Seriously, what makes sex so special that we need to have a separate philosophical category of identity to encapsulate all of an individual's feelings about it?
Moreover, if gender and sex are so distinct, why do people insist that we use sex pronouns to refer to a person? There's an ongoing effort to shift the jargon and call these "gendered pronouns" and "gendered language" but for as long as such terms have existed, they have been called sex pronouns and have been used exclusively to refer to reproductive organs. An individual with male reproductive organs was referred to with male pronouns. If gender has nothing to do with reproductive organs, then why is it so important for male-to-female trans people to be referred to with male pronouns, i.e., with the pronouns universally used in association with male reproductive organs?
Hi … I think you did too much.
What happened to just having 2 genders.. It was soo much simpler..
Divide and conquer
i agree we only need 2
The gender spectrum is based on anthropological, archaeological, historical, psychological, sociological and genetic evidence.
Anyone who’s taken any course in cultural anthropology and archaeology has had to confront the significantly different ways gender roles have been constructed, especially the egalitarian conditions we evolved under, the existence of two-spirit people, etc. This is all well documented, and is in part what caused the criticism of what was assumed to be inviolable gender roles.
Gender “nonconformity” has existed throughout observable history, across the world. It’s not new. It’s simply less suppressed in this particular time and place. You can dress up your smug, dishonest ignorance all you want as some enlightened criticism, but the fact is the gender roles assumed as normal by post-hunter gatherer societies come out of crass economic interests, not the mind of God.
It’s extremely dishonest to present modern gender theory as incoherent, because it’s not a monolith. This is a straw man and a lie. A Marxist, a progressive liberal, a radical feminist, and an egalitarian post-feminist would all have different ideas about gender. A study on gender in the Sambia, for example, by a gay Australian man, posits sexual attraction is socially conditioned, for most people.
And you know this, but choose to present it in a dishonest way to strengthen your position, because your position is built on sand.
Most feminists I’ve ever talked to, including trans ones, do not think gender is essential, so a kid playing with dolls or trucks is just a kid playing. You cannot divine a kid’s gender from their preferences. This pigeonholing is expressly what is criticized by the majority of mainstream feminism/gender theory and gender studies. Taking extreme examples as the sum of the whole is lying by misrepresentation.
This self serving, smug, dishonesty is exactly what drove me away from the Church. Catholics were more concerned about leveraging state power to criminalize abortion and gay marriage than war or greed. You care more about your vanity and your youtube channel than developing an honest and robust apologetics.
This is why philosophical idealism is losing to materialism. For all the actual criticisms you can make about gender theory, specifically the branches that are rooted in idealism, you choose to just wallow in your pride and hypocrisy and actively misrepresent what you disagree with.
No wonder you have to buy your views with ads.
Wonderful, well thought out post
There are only two genders
How is this smug? I mean, they seem to be agreeing with you i.e. that gender roles are bad - we need to stop pretending that men who are uncomfortable with the gender roles society imposes on them are women (and vice versa).
For all you argue against misrepresenting opinions, you're certainly doing a good job of it yourself.
@@thegamingking7504 you're attempt to exploit my anger is admirable. . .
You're right and you should say it
isn't gender whether you are a guy or gal? being gay isn't a gender its a preference, for transgender people they just didn't like their gender and decided to change it, and isnt the point of asexuality to not have a gender? you can call yourself asexual be genetically you are either male or female
You, confused person reading the comments maybe looking for a counterargument, watch gender critical by contrapoints
No, don't. Contrapoints is a self-deluded pseudo intellectual.
Shmitt Reuben
If you like having your brain cells die, maybe.
Got this as an ad, which is probably the only way this bullshit can make its rounds
For your information I'm a sis gender heterosexual homosapien
Sis gender? Does that mean you associate with whatever gender your sister does? It's 'cis', from the Latin, 'on this side of' or 'on one side of',
Polar bears
Quite some time ago, God placed it in my heart to pray for a frenenmy. It was the last thing I wanted to do. She has a devotion to Mary undoer of knots. I can’t figure out the truth yet I know that God is the way, the truth, and the light. I pray frequently on her behalf. I have a special blue knotted rosary that I use for the mess of intentions. I do not know what else I can do. May she never forget her worth. ❤️
That's a pretty cool prompt. Slightly sinister, very vague, and a sympathetic heroine.
Mentioned Thomas Aquinas right out the gate.
Thanks, that's the best way to signal to everyone whatever you're about to say is going to be pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
THE B STANDS FOR BISEXUAL
No shit, Sherlock. He's positing that that term is archaic at this point what with folks going around claiming millions or infinite genders or whatever. Bisexual literally confines the amount of genders to two...
The only pronouns are he/him she/her and they/them
He/him and she/her
The Lumbaginator no they/them exists but Honestly you do you
Cear Rose just because you say/feel your neither gender doesn’t mean your neither gender
The Lumbaginator it all comes down to the hormones in your brain and the hormones you get when your in your mothers womb but in my opinion I will use whatever pronouns as long as they are one of those pronouns I said before and if you have Dysphoria then Im good with that outside of that Neopronouns are stupid and I also don’t really believe in fluctuating genders your either one the other or neither.
Cear Rose alright I’ll back off I respect your opinion
I'm not here to condemn the creators or anything, but it seems to me like you guys are trying to follow the logic of gender science relatively faithfully, but each time you reach an area that you have a misconception about, you seem to fill in the blank with your own narrow minded preconceptions. I would encourage you guys to discuss your thoughts with people who have worked in this community their entire lives.
Almost every single point made in this video is logically flawed, purposefully misrepresented, or just straight wrong
Good thing it was a discussion on the topic and not an argument for or against it. Someone might have been offended... Oh wait, they we're anyways.
@@KikinCh1kin is it still a discussion if I entirely misrepresent the ideas of one side and constantly state how "insane" they are? Like if I said all men have been proven to want to murder innocents, and self identify as rapists (or anything else equally nonsensical), would that just be a discussion? I'm not advocating for any one side or any policy, I'm just taking part in a discussion.
Sex and Gender are also different
Are people attracted to sexes or genders? If someone were straight, for example, perhaps the gender isn’t apparent but they’d refuse to have intercourse with someone of the same sex. Are they not in a place to date/flirt with people they assume to be non-binary under the fear that they’re the same sex as them?
@@Humblifier There is actually a lot of discourse on the subject in the LGBTQ+ community. Some people think it's transphobic if, in the scenario you described, the straight person refused to sleep with someone who identifies as the opposite gender but retains the same genitalia. Others have concluded that it's not fair to dub such a scenario as transphobic, since the difference between gender and sex has implications on sexual attraction. There's no clear answer on this one - no matter what opinion you choose to have, you will end up upsetting someone.
What is a toasters gender?
yes i think so
the difference between a trans man and a tomboy or a trans woman or a femine man is gender dysphoria. i guess you dont really get that if you dont understand or dont have the research behind the topic that you're talking about, though. that being said, this is the first video i've seen from this channel and i dont know these people. 🤷♂️
@@mosesking2923 there is a cure. it's called transitioning. since i've transitioned, my gender dysphoria has halved.
@@kaedemaciej So if a person has body identity integrity disorder, where they "identify" as an amputee, would you support them surgically amputating their fully functioning arm and leg? You think it's acceptable for a doctor to concede to a mental illness and cut off a patient's arm and leg?
For some reason, I absolutely can’t stand any talk of gender or sex. I honestly hate how stupid and yet complex the arguments appear to be. I’d rather just have everyone admit that they’re going to have sex with whoever they want whether it’s moral or not, since that’s exactly what we’re going to do anyway.
If you truly wanted to, say, steal a candy bar, was it the fact that stealing the candy bar was wrong that stopped you, or was it the fear of the consequence of getting caught? It’s exactly the same with every other moral law. It is 100% a function of desire, which is 100% uncontrollable. Desire can only be controlled by desire, and so it can’t really be controlled.
It can only be enlightened by truth, which it naturally seeks but is terrible at finding.
I hope you've come to realise how scary the statement that "desire is uncontrollable" really is.
@@whoami8434 I want to be clear with your original statement. Are you really saying that *all* desire is permissible, by saying it can't be controlled?
@@whoami8434 I’m glad we could agree on that. So not all desire is good and not all desire is bad, that’s where I’m at too. What basis do we use then to decide what is good for society and what is not so good in a fair, consistent and holistic manner, that is the question we have to answer.
@@whoami8434 I think we might be on the same page after all! Thanks for the civil discourse. Hope you have a great life.
For me this video started with an add for "Polyamory Help" 😆
Muh binary!1!111!!!!
Two genders.
Junk or no junk thats it anuthing e l se is stupid
Heres my argument- if you dont know anything about it, dont talk about it. Its disrespectful and I understand your sharing your opinion, which you have FULL right to, you still shouldnt talk about it. I dont care if your online or not.
You do know the difference between "your" and "you're", right?
Separately, you do realize that she has a PhD and never said anything that isn't factually incorrect? There are only two genders. There are only two distinct types of reproductive organs. Even intersex people always lean heavily towards one gender or the other.
@@MrJuicebox99 sorry for any mistakes, but like I said she hasn't spoken or discussed this with an actual trans person and gained any insight besides the media on what it's like to be trans. Please inform yourself of topics before you discuss them, period.
@@goldybays8654 Talking to an actual trans person won't make the facts, scientifically proven facts at that, any less true.
@@MrJuicebox99 talking to a trans person who has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria would provide LOTS of facts.. seeing as they're the ones experiencing it. Honestly the amount of ignorance yall have on the human brain is amazing. No but seriously, many scientistists have found that a trans persons brain fits that of their preferred gender. It's not very hard to think about. Theres tons of trans folk that were alive a long while back in the 17th century, such as Chevalier d'eon! Some tribes in the 16th century also had a third gender. a person who would provide the roles of both Male and female people, or neither. It's really incredible to see and talk to people like that, and you learn alot more what it's like from their perspective as every trans person has a different, but same experience with their gender dysphoria. Humans are extremely complicated, you shouldnt underestimate that with ignorance, I'm assuming you havent even tried looking up the term and investigating with a real trans person? It's not very hard to find a trans page and learn about it from a mostly neutral standpoint.
@@goldybays8654 That's the same as saying we should believe the voices that schizophrenic people hear. They must be real because they're experiencing them!
And I know of the study you're referring to, still doesn't change their X/Y chromosomes, DNA, etc. Either gender can display mannerisms from the other, still doesn't make a good reason to support their delusion.
The comments are..
30% Of people who got this as an ad
30% Sensible people who know what they are talking about
40% Offended and just throw insults
10% Confused and probably didn't mean to click on the video.
i agrer mega man
Transgenderism wouldn't exist if we didn't push these gender roles on people. If you told every female and male they could dress and pursue whatever career they want without judgement this wouldnt be a problem!!!!
Transgenderism doesn’t even exist though.
Oh my god. There is no theory. Male and female. End of debate.
tru e
Why why just why stop talking u people have feelings and if they don't feel comfortable in their skin and their trans or pan or nonbinari the you can't talk about it like it's stupid
And you shouldn't hurt them or me like that.!
You really did not understand a single word of what was said in this video.
Sex is not gender. That's why these two are confused.
They are treating sex and gender as synonyms. That treatment is incoherent, not gender theory.
All she said was "yeah" "right" "mm-hm"
The moment you mentioned thomas Aquinas my ears went numb. Bye
Alyssa why did ur ears go numb?
Because of the amount of "reeeeeee" they were screaming.
Aquinas is dope, don’t leave
Hey maybe don't post this as an ad? You can post whatever weird ideology you have online just please don't jam it in people's faces
just wait until they hear about gender abolition theory. i’d love to see them try to use their bs to justify why it’s “contradictory” when it’s based entirely around the idea that gender is contradictory
Thumbs down for the Q. Q is not a legitimate choice. Stop flaking and make a choice. Then you can count yourself part of the community.
Two genders, two scoops, two terms.
#MAGA
#Trump2020
Shar Thulovaas *PROJECTION*
@@rifleshooterchannel208 actually, there are six genders. Like, literally 6. That we know of, could be more, but at least 6. Just Google "number of genders" and look at either the wiki, orrr like 2nd result. On wiki look at the gender taxonomy section. Happy educating your self.
Cassandra Kennedy Nope.
There are only 2 sex/genders.
This is a scientific and biological fact for 99.9999% of the population. While I agree there are medical anomalies it simply is not an applicable or statistically significant figure any more than people born with 3 arms are.
You’re not going to dedicate a section of a clothing store to cater for people born with 3 arms by offering shirts with an extra sleeve, so it’s simply not practical to even entertain the idea of catering to people with bizarre medical chromosome anomalies.
You are delusional if you think there are 6 sexes/genders.
Absolute nonsense, you should be institutionalized and medicated for your delusions.
@@rifleshooterchannel208 oh, I wont argue the ratio, although intersex is way more common that .01%, it's actually 1.7 or about 1 in 60. Few show signs of it unless medical complications happen. Like a 37 year old British man suddenly getting sick and finding out he has internal organs of a woman and he's having a period with the blood no where to go. Delusional? Or better educated. Ummm science and history say the latter. And why wouldnt a store cater to people with 3 arms? Terrible analogy. Free markets, supply and demand, blah blah. If there was 1 out of a 10000 people born with 3 arms, damn straight stores would sell them shirts. But once again, feel free to prove me wrong with any actual facts. Not your opinions, but facts. We can play opinions if you want. Like for instance, if it makes some one happy to dress in a chicken costume, not impeding any one else's rights or safety, isnt it their personal right and freedom to do what they want??? I might like peas and you hate em. Doesnt hurt me if you dont eat em, right? Same thing with gay marriage, not gay? Dont get gay married.
Cassandra Kennedy “Intersex” people still generally have definitive XX or XY chromosomes.
The chromosomes are the ultimate determinative measure.
And unless you can post some evidence that someone with XY chromosomes somehow converted every single one of them to XX chromosomes (or vice versa), you can’t not legitimately say that “Trans” people exist or that there are more than 2 sex/genders.
There are two genders
Why is this an ad that I've gotten? I'm a panromantic nonbinary!! By the way, I'm willing to date people regardless of body. But when it comes to sexual acts, I prefer people with vaginas. I don't like dicks. But whether or not that person calls themselves by he/him terms, she/her terms or they/them terms or just don't really care what they're called, I'll love them the same. And these terms aren't always laid out perfectly, they can be flexible.
Please watch contrapoints and not this garbage
>thinking contrapoints isn’t garbage
Best laugh I’ve had all day
It's coherent. You just haven't actually read anything about it.
There's only two genders(stop showing me this add).
Amen
you will get an amen good sir
nonbinary genders have been around since the dawn of the concept gender this is so tone deaf .