Spot on with your analysis. This is so much needed. Most of us should know our drills, shots, etc. I believe that plans and strategies are most critical today. Our instructors need to teach more of this methodology. Thank you.
First, thanks for doing these videos. Generally, they are very helpful. This one had a maddening number of stoppages before anything happened. Please stop predicting what will happen before every play. I made it 8mins in and couldn't take any more...
Enjoyed the analysis. All 4 of these players would get destroyed by 4.0s where I play and probably have a tough time against a lot of the 3.5s. Rating system is really inconsistent.
Thanks for watching and thanks for replying. I think the level players play at depends a lot on exactly where they are playing. For instance I don't think a 4.0 player in Michigan would be at the same level as a 4.0 player in most parts of Florida.
I agree it varies depending on where you are. Also, this match is three years old maybe four. Technology and players have come a long ways in the last 3 to 4 years.
Really like these vids great for learning how to play the game. Think you should focus more on their shot making, stokes and footwork than their age, height, weight ect. Point out what they need to improve on to make them a better player. Looking forward to more vids
@jimb6683...I agree...I enjoy these videos but Red shirt, Blue shirt is easier to follow than trying to remember which player is Bob and which is Frank or whatever. Also I disagree with the foregone conclusion that the younger player will win in a game against an older player. I win against players half my age frequently and have lost against players much older than me.
@@CWK090I think he means if both teams skill levels are truly equal then the more senior players may lose beings they just don't usually move as quick and powerful. But yes I've had my fair share of seniors humble me 😊
I enjoyed the vid. Great way to improve on the game. Suggestion - make the mouse icon much smaller, less colorful, and do with out the vibration/animation effect. Much easier on the viewers eyes, thanks.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 similar to golf swing analysis videos, some software might allow you to draw circles or lines on a video frame for analysis, then remove the lines and continue playback. This might be useful for shot placement and shot selection commentary. No one does this on TH-cam. This way you can explain whether a drive or a drop might have been a better choice or indicate how players were moved out of optimum position during rally construction to create an opening which was exploited.
@@victorkhong7654 Thanks for the advice. I have considered doing that. I just need to find the right piece of software that will allow me to do it. I know it's out there.
1:40. 3rd shot and a few 3 shots after all chest level or higher for what should be easy hard hit putaways and they were essentially love tapped until finally a direct overhead was putaway. Where I play, the 3rd shot drop attempt fail that occurred here(as it was a bad strike) would be just crushed and point over, even at 3.5 level by a 6 foot tall male.
Great commentary on this match. The point at 13:20, purple guy set that point up with a 3rd shot drop that was too deep. Black guy had an easy, well-executed shot to purple guy's feet and purple guy simply could not get it over the net. I'm only mentioning it because it is such a common mistake (by me, too, by the way) at this level. Unless you can master the 3rd shot drop, I think its better to try a 3rd shot drive and hope that your opponent pops it up or fails to return it.
Thanks for watching. A third shot drop is not an easy shot. But, if you can master it, it is very effective. I love to play against players who only have a third shot drive. I know exactly how to play against them.
At 13:05 in video, she’s not trying to lob over taller opponent, she’s lobbing the shorter female who was in front of her. Taller player was able to cover shot.
Rory, You’re a brave man guessing a woman’s age 😂 At about 12:40, the lady with the white cap is dinking cross-court with the tall guy then she lobs it over the lady’s head across the net. You said her mistake was trying to lob it over the 6’4” guy. She didn’t. She lobbed it over the lady. The tall guy turned and ran to intercept the ball which is exactly what he should do. Just pointing out to new players that when a ball is lobbed over your head, you don’t turn and run. Your partner does. The reason is he/she is turning less than the 180 degrees you would have to turn. Another key maneuver for those new to pickleball is when he turned to chase the ball on her side of the court she moved to his side of the court ready to defend. It helps to call “Switch”. Other than defending his side of the court, she switches sides to get out of the way of his return. The tall guy and his partner executed that perfectly.
Regarding the lob shot at 12:40 by the lady in the white hat - she wasn't trying to lob it over the tall dude. She was trying to lob it over his female partner and it likely would have worked if the tall dude didn't anticipate it and cover his partner's rear. I think that was a real head's up move by him and I wouldn't expect that kind of move at this level. I also think her gamble was reasonable but I don't think she'll try it again :O
Yes , they seem like they might have 4.0 knowledge, but execution wise, not so sure ? And yet , at the same time , 3rd shot drops done very well . Hard to figure what their rating outa be .
I’ve only be playing a couple of years but when at the kitchen line the guy in yellow seems to play close to the centre line a lot always eager for a poach on his partner. I was taught to respect the X and let the forehand take the shot. Am I wrong about that?
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 What I notice the most watching your videos is that the people I play with make all the mistakes, a lot! I’m 66 and most of the folks are 60+ and have played for years but they all seem to love banging and driving hard shots. I bang sometimes in response but lately I have gone each day with the plan to work on certain shots, like drops and resets and also positioning. This is all open recreational play and I just want to get better and more consistent so I can move to the next level.
I also played a game where score was 10-0 with their banging selves then came back winning the game 10-12 by forcing the team to hit balls out when trying to be aggressive or hit the net after successfully doing drops and dinks forcing them to play a slow game.
So I’ve watched a few of your videos and enjoyed the analysis. This is such a great learning tool for those of us looking to improve. However, I am puzzled by something here. I don’t see how this game is at the 4.0 level. I would say I play at about the 3.5 on a good day and I just don’t see this level of play to be significantly better than my group. Am I missing something? I admit to making this comment before getting all the way to the end of the video.
That's a good question. I really feel the rating system is flawed. Sometimes you watch a 4.0 gold medal match and ask yourself, how can these players possibly be a 4.0 players. It's a really good question. I think a lot of it depends on where the players play. You're only as good as the players are playing against. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the quick reply. I appreciate it. And you make an excellent point that I had not considered. You can only be rated against your competition and the people rating them have to put a group of people in each category. Fair enough I guess. Finally found a place that has rating sessions so I’m hoping to go and figure that out soon. I’m curious more than anything. Cheers.
I just have a question. I have noticed that all the games I have watched here are just games to eleven (except the occasional game to 15) and you only have to win by one. Where I live, in the Pacific Northwest, they are games to eleven, win by two. Which is the standard system nationwide?
It all depends on what a tournament director decides if you're playing in the tournament. Where I play, because there is a lot of play, it's to 11, win by one. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Of course you are correct. In Section 1 of the USAP rule book it says: "Typically, the first side scoring 11 points and leading by at least a 2-point margin wins." Of course the operational word here is "Typically". I guess we are 'typical' and some of the tournaments you participate in are not "typical". 😁
I really enjoyed your analysis. However, in my opinion - and it doesn't diminish the excellent analysis you have provided, they appear to be closer to the 3.0 level.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Completely disagree with Robert. I am a 3.0 player and would love to be able to place a 3rd shot drop--from the baseline no less--with the accuracy they all demonstrated. There was more dinking in this game than most youtube-shown games except for the pros. Great analysis.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Good to know. I really liked the way you analyzed the match by pointing out common mistakes along with constructive ways to improve.
I thought 4.0 was advanced? How come they have a "beginner serve". Look at the serve from the lady in blue at 24:49 in the video. My serve is deeper and has more pace with top spin. I just started playing two weeks ago. I don't have a tennis background, I've just been watching a lot of instructional videos and pro games.
and I don't mean this to be rude to the players. I just mean, there are so many times I'm playing places or watching videos and peoples ratings are terribly wrong@@pickleballpick-apart9787
Did not watch the entire video, and maybe you subsequently pointed it out , but , if these players are 4.0 , ( and you know they are not ) we'll then....I'm an 8.0 and ready to turn Pro . Ofcousre , I'm not , then again , they are not 4.0 either . BTW , larger red illustrative arrows are a big improvement over previous little white arrows .
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I really enjoy your work in producing analytic commentary on pickleball matches. It fills a gap in the typical instruction videos. Kudos for being different in a better way!
I don't see how you can watch this without commenting on the lady in the white hat's grip. She hits lobs off the forehand because that's what her grip allows her to hit. If she does drive it's that awkward elbow high swing. The giveaway for this type of player is the backhand volley but surprise, she pounds the first one for a winner. Stop the video and you see she changed from index finger up the back to thumb up the back to enable the backhand. 4.0? Not in my world.
Thanks for watching. I agree with you. It was not. I didn't rate them. But, it was the level they played at in that tournament. I guess the talent level in Chico is not as good as it is where I play and where you play.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787"I enjoy all your videos. There is so much to learn from other's mistakes. I particularly love the video where you analyze Joe from Pirates Pickleball. It's a great example of how not to display negative body language on the court. I love Joe and his channel, but he can be quite intense during the game."
I have watched several videos on your channel over the past few days and have a question I keep wondering about. Why don’t you introduce yourself and share your name with your channel subscribers? Are you intentionally withholding your identity with your viewers?
Thanks for asking. I did say my name in one of the videos. I think that's probably a good idea to do, so, I'll do it in future ones. Thanks for the suggestion.
The more I play pickleball, the more I find out how much disinformation and misinformation is out there about how to play. When I see people doing lobs I automatically know that they are a lower level player. Lobs are by far the worst shot in pickleball next to hitting the net. People need to understand how risky that shot is and how ineffective and low percentage it is. Lobs are used as a crutch and people need to learn better ground strokes, body position, and mechanics. When I play I can't wait for the lobs so it almost guarantees either a side out or a point.
4.0? Wow. I would love to play them. Lol.
Spot on with your analysis. This is so much needed. Most of us should know our drills, shots, etc. I believe that plans and strategies are most critical today. Our instructors need to teach more of this methodology. Thank you.
Thanks for watching and thanks for taking the time to write the nice message.
First, thanks for doing these videos. Generally, they are very helpful. This one had a maddening number of stoppages before anything happened. Please stop predicting what will happen before every play. I made it 8mins in and couldn't take any more...
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll do my best.
Haha agreed the predictions are hard to wait and listen to. Too eager to hear the critique part and learn.
Enjoyed the analysis. All 4 of these players would get destroyed by 4.0s where I play and probably have a tough time against a lot of the 3.5s. Rating system is really inconsistent.
Thanks for watching and thanks for replying. I think the level players play at depends a lot on exactly where they are playing. For instance I don't think a 4.0 player in Michigan would be at the same level as a 4.0 player in most parts of Florida.
I agree it varies depending on where you are. Also, this match is three years old maybe four. Technology and players have come a long ways in the last 3 to 4 years.
@@ar15tac Good point! Thanks for watching.
By the way, I really like the studio look in your videos. Very impressive background and vibe.
Thanks for the compliment.
Really like these vids great for learning how to play the game. Think you should focus more on their shot making, stokes and footwork than their age, height, weight ect. Point out what they need to improve on to make them a better player. Looking forward to more vids
Thanks for watching. Those are all good ideas. I will try to incorporate them moving forward.
@jimb6683...I agree...I enjoy these videos but Red shirt, Blue shirt is easier to follow than trying to remember which player is Bob and which is Frank or whatever. Also I disagree with the foregone conclusion that the younger player will win in a game against an older player. I win against players half my age frequently and have lost against players much older than me.
@@CWK090I think he means if both teams skill levels are truly equal then the more senior players may lose beings they just don't usually move as quick and powerful. But yes I've had my fair share of seniors humble me 😊
I enjoyed the vid. Great way to improve on the game. Suggestion - make the mouse icon much smaller, less colorful, and do with out the vibration/animation effect. Much easier on the viewers eyes, thanks.
Thanks for watching. I'll take what you said into consideration.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 similar to golf swing analysis videos, some software might allow you to draw circles or lines on a video frame for analysis, then remove the lines and continue playback. This might be useful for shot placement and shot selection commentary. No one does this on TH-cam.
This way you can explain whether a drive or a drop might have been a better choice or indicate how players were moved out of optimum position during rally construction to create an opening which was exploited.
@@victorkhong7654 Thanks for the advice. I have considered doing that. I just need to find the right piece of software that will allow me to do it. I know it's out there.
1:40. 3rd shot and a few 3 shots after all chest level or higher for what should be easy hard hit putaways and they were essentially love tapped until finally a direct overhead was putaway. Where I play, the 3rd shot drop attempt fail that occurred here(as it was a bad strike) would be just crushed and point over, even at 3.5 level by a 6 foot tall male.
It would. I call it pity patting the ball. Thanks for watching.
I really enjoyed this match , thank you
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Great commentary on this match. The point at 13:20, purple guy set that point up with a 3rd shot drop that was too deep. Black guy had an easy, well-executed shot to purple guy's feet and purple guy simply could not get it over the net. I'm only mentioning it because it is such a common mistake (by me, too, by the way) at this level. Unless you can master the 3rd shot drop, I think its better to try a 3rd shot drive and hope that your opponent pops it up or fails to return it.
Thanks for watching. A third shot drop is not an easy shot. But, if you can master it, it is very effective. I love to play against players who only have a third shot drive. I know exactly how to play against them.
Thank you so much for analyzing the game and I did learn lots from your videos.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the kind comment.
Hey Rory, new viewer and really enjoying and learning from your comments.
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
At 13:05 in video, she’s not trying to lob over taller opponent, she’s lobbing the shorter female who was in front of her. Taller player was able to cover shot.
Thanks! I'm not perfect. I appreciate you watching.
Rory,
You’re a brave man guessing a woman’s age 😂
At about 12:40, the lady with the white cap is dinking cross-court with the tall guy then she lobs it over the lady’s head across the net.
You said her mistake was trying to lob it over the 6’4” guy. She didn’t. She lobbed it over the lady. The tall guy turned and ran to intercept the ball which is exactly what he should do.
Just pointing out to new players that when a ball is lobbed over your head, you don’t turn and run. Your partner does. The reason is he/she is turning less than the 180 degrees you would have to turn.
Another key maneuver for those new to pickleball is when he turned to chase the ball on her side of the court she moved to his side of the court ready to defend. It helps to call “Switch”.
Other than defending his side of the court, she switches sides to get out of the way of his return.
The tall guy and his partner executed that perfectly.
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I stopped mentioning age. People get too easily offended. Thanks for watching.
Regarding the lob shot at 12:40 by the lady in the white hat - she wasn't trying to lob it over the tall dude. She was trying to lob it over his female partner and it likely would have worked if the tall dude didn't anticipate it and cover his partner's rear. I think that was a real head's up move by him and I wouldn't expect that kind of move at this level. I also think her gamble was reasonable but I don't think she'll try it again :O
Thanks for the comment. Tall dudes are hard to lob over. Thanks for watching.
Yes , they seem like they might have 4.0 knowledge, but execution wise, not so sure ? And yet , at the same time , 3rd shot drops done very well . Hard to figure what their rating outa be .
Like I mentioned before, I think the rating system is flawed.
I’ve only be playing a couple of years but when at the kitchen line the guy in yellow seems to play close to the centre line a lot always eager for a poach on his partner. I was taught to respect the X and let the forehand take the shot. Am I wrong about that?
Thanks for asking. No, you are not. Generally, the forehand takes it unless he is a very, very weak player. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 What I notice the most watching your videos is that the people I play with make all the mistakes, a lot! I’m 66 and most of the folks are 60+ and have played for years but they all seem to love banging and driving hard shots. I bang sometimes in response but lately I have gone each day with the plan to work on certain shots, like drops and resets and also positioning. This is all open recreational play and I just want to get better and more consistent so I can move to the next level.
I also played a game where score was 10-0 with their banging selves then came back winning the game 10-12 by forcing the team to hit balls out when trying to be aggressive or hit the net after successfully doing drops and dinks forcing them to play a slow game.
Nice comeback! Pickleball is a game of scoring runs. Once you have the ball in hand, your opponents cannot score. Never give up.
So I’ve watched a few of your videos and enjoyed the analysis. This is such a great learning tool for those of us looking to improve. However, I am puzzled by something here. I don’t see how this game is at the 4.0 level. I would say I play at about the 3.5 on a good day and I just don’t see this level of play to be significantly better than my group. Am I missing something? I admit to making this comment before getting all the way to the end of the video.
That's a good question. I really feel the rating system is flawed. Sometimes you watch a 4.0 gold medal match and ask yourself, how can these players possibly be a 4.0 players. It's a really good question. I think a lot of it depends on where the players play. You're only as good as the players are playing against. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the quick reply. I appreciate it. And you make an excellent point that I had not considered. You can only be rated against your competition and the people rating them have to put a group of people in each category. Fair enough I guess. Finally found a place that has rating sessions so I’m hoping to go and figure that out soon. I’m curious more than anything. Cheers.
I just have a question. I have noticed that all the games I have watched here are just games to eleven (except the occasional game to 15) and you only have to win by one. Where I live, in the Pacific Northwest, they are games to eleven, win by two. Which is the standard system nationwide?
It all depends on what a tournament director decides if you're playing in the tournament. Where I play, because there is a lot of play, it's to 11, win by one. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Of course you are correct. In Section 1 of the USAP rule book it says: "Typically, the first side scoring 11 points and leading by at least a 2-point margin wins." Of course the operational word here is "Typically". I guess we are 'typical' and some of the tournaments you participate in are not "typical". 😁
At 9:47 mark, not a lob. Look at it again, have you ever seen anyone lob like that? More like a backhand drive that was hit too high.
Thanks. That was one of my first videos.
It seems like from watching the guy in yellow has a weak backhand. I might be wrong but that's what I saw on a few of his shots.
Thanks for watching and your comment.
I really enjoyed your analysis. However, in my opinion - and it doesn't diminish the excellent analysis you have provided, they appear to be closer to the 3.0 level.
Thanks for watching. I didn't give them that rating. It was posted on TH-cam as that level.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Completely disagree with Robert. I am a 3.0 player and would love to be able to place a 3rd shot drop--from the baseline no less--with the accuracy they all demonstrated. There was more dinking in this game than most youtube-shown games except for the pros. Great analysis.
@@tvn300 Thanks for watching.
You know sometimes that goal of a lob is not to make a point, but to drive your opponent back and into a defensive situation.
It is. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Thanks for watching.
11 to 10? Thought you had to win by 2 if tied @ 10?
It all depends on the format of the tournament. Some play win by one some play win by two. Thanks for watching. I appreciate it.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Good to know. I really liked the way you analyzed the match by pointing out common mistakes along with constructive ways to improve.
I thought 4.0 was advanced? How come they have a "beginner serve". Look at the serve from the lady in blue at 24:49 in the video. My serve is deeper and has more pace with top spin. I just started playing two weeks ago. I don't have a tennis background, I've just been watching a lot of instructional videos and pro games.
Watching instructional videos is a great way to learn. I hope you keep watching. Thanks.
Something needs to be done with this rating system in pickleball. It’s so inconsistent. This would be 3.0 or less pickleball at most places.
Exactly! The rating system is flawed. Thanks for watching.
and I don't mean this to be rude to the players. I just mean, there are so many times I'm playing places or watching videos and peoples ratings are terribly wrong@@pickleballpick-apart9787
Yeah the team on the right beat themselves by staying at the baseline. Maybe they were afraid of loosing in a firefight.
Thanks for watching. A team cannot win at the baseline.
Did not watch the entire video, and maybe you subsequently pointed it out , but , if these players are 4.0 , ( and you know they are not ) we'll then....I'm an 8.0 and ready to turn Pro . Ofcousre , I'm not , then again , they are not 4.0 either . BTW , larger red illustrative arrows are a big improvement over previous little white arrows .
Thanks for watching. I totally get what you're saying. The rating system is flawed. I'll look for you on the pro tour. LOL!
These are not 4.0 players. I would rate them lower than that.
Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I really enjoy your work in producing analytic commentary on pickleball matches. It fills a gap in the typical instruction videos. Kudos for being different in a better way!
Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching.@@victorkhong7654
The Red arrows were a bit much.
Thanks for pointing that out. I don't use them anymore.
My son is 6.4 with 8 ft reach I would not try to lob it over him.
Haha! Yep, not a good idea. Thanks for watching.
I need to get into these tournaments. These players have absolutely no racquet skills. They’re all holding the paddle like a frying pan.
Yes they are! Huge mistake. I see more and more players doing that. Thanks for watching.
I don't see how you can watch this without commenting on the lady in the white hat's grip. She hits lobs off the forehand because that's what her grip allows her to hit. If she does drive it's that awkward elbow high swing. The giveaway for this type of player is the backhand volley but surprise, she pounds the first one for a winner. Stop the video and you see she changed from index finger up the back to thumb up the back to enable the backhand. 4.0? Not in my world.
Thanks for watching and thanks for pointing that out.
4.0?
Thanks for watching. I agree with you. It was not. I didn't rate them. But, it was the level they played at in that tournament. I guess the talent level in Chico is not as good as it is where I play and where you play.
those are not 4.0 Those folks have to be 3.0 3.5
Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787"I enjoy all your videos. There is so much to learn from other's mistakes. I particularly love the video where you analyze Joe from Pirates Pickleball. It's a great example of how not to display negative body language on the court. I love Joe and his channel, but he can be quite intense during the game."
Are these really 4.0 players? If so... I must be a pro. (said NOBODY!)
I hear you. The rating systems, I don't think, is the best.
I am losing confidence in the skill ratings around the country by watching your videos.
Yes. Dupr is flawed. You're only as good as the players you play against.
I have watched several videos on your channel over the past few days and have a question I keep wondering about.
Why don’t you introduce yourself and share your name with your channel subscribers?
Are you intentionally withholding your identity with your viewers?
Thanks for asking. I did say my name in one of the videos. I think that's probably a good idea to do, so, I'll do it in future ones. Thanks for the suggestion.
Eddie, don't blow his cover! Rory's in the Witness Protection Program and operating under an assumed name.
(Oops! Sorry ... Ralph!)
The more I play pickleball, the more I find out how much disinformation and misinformation is out there about how to play. When I see people doing lobs I automatically know that they are a lower level player. Lobs are by far the worst shot in pickleball next to hitting the net. People need to understand how risky that shot is and how ineffective and low percentage it is. Lobs are used as a crutch and people need to learn better ground strokes, body position, and mechanics. When I play I can't wait for the lobs so it almost guarantees either a side out or a point.
Awesome. I could not agree with you more. Thanks for watching.
4.0 lmaoooo
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I know. I didn't rate them.