Not hot at all, its 2000% accurate. They're so busy trying to bait new players into the game that they just half-ass endgame/new content. New players aren't going to stick around for the midgame-endgame step if they're going to see how the game gets neglected after 2-3 months. PA first, player second. Their focus just doesn't feel like its on BDO anymore, and its sad to see unfold. Also that last bit about getting the debos etc and not being able to use them is so real, they have to stop adding capped content and acting like they solved world poverty 😂
3 of my friends and I started playing and met around 2021. We all made it to late game, joined the same pvp guilds etc. We've all quit over the last few months, the game is offering less and less and it's just depressing at this point
Even though the tungrad accessory set effect is a bit of a miss. I appreciate the thought process that there are other accessories that can be viable in late game. Widening the amount of options other than deboreka grind will be a healthy change.
@@FakeUni U spitting 1000% facts ong.. Lets hope Heidel Ball brings out some new end game content that will allow use to use these end game gears to use.
You summarized what me and probably so many others feel about the game, at least the PvP community. You really address the issues with the game directly which is very refreshing.
Yup. I realized early on that PA doesn't want to reward players for anything because they think they'd lose money. And they made the Endgame Content The Gear Progression itself because that gives the most money as well. Then I quit. I also made a prediction. That PA will put more and more expensive items in the game, and more quickly as well. Old items get irrelevant = more money for PA.
I will say the implementation of Deboreka Rings legitimately felt like something you would see on a private server, recycled content to a shameless degree.
Nah bro, we dont have that in BDO PS. Our private servers make it so you don't give your soul and work 2 jobs to play BDO. And we have custom items that are better than Pas shitty items
1. Rework hit counts, DR, Eva(optimize lag) first > then War of Rose(now less/no lag) 2. Class,DR,Eva rework is good so i dont get 1-shot with 400+DP. but now infinite mobility classes will be immortal. 3. Endgame gear is WAY too fixed on Debos. Imagine Narc, Distortions, Vahas, even Accuracy has set effects. 4. At least have multiple build options for Endgame. not 1 braindead full debo monkey. 5. Mindset of PA is prob. WANTING new players but not KEEPING said players. Just hoping better new contents in Heidel/Calpheon ball or an unlikely better action packed mmorpg.
im over BDO. I havent grinded for over a 6 months. I used to love playing the game but end game is so boring im just like whats 6 extra AP when im already 4 pen debos in and TET fg. I could go for rings but for what lol Theres no content i can do with the rings that i couldnt do without them so yeah im skipping rings and idc. BDO was more fun when things were harder to attain but everything is given so its like im good. 30b silver for those who sold their hammer is crazy amount of silver given just like that. Idk it each their own but ill play again if something interesting pops up but if not oh well.
For me, the most annoying thing is that grinding for any debo other than the earring forces you to grind solo, which becomes super boring after about 2 hours for me. I truly wish places like dehkia ash or crypt allowed for 2-3 man, sharing the misery would feel 100 times better than potentially killing the same mob for 5+ hours with no drops solo.
So true brother. Sole reason I'm playing the game actively now (as opposed to just afk for rewards) is the time limit on hammers, I'm worried there won't be a better time to get debos after they are removed, and it will be even more of a struggle.
totaly agree, gearing up doesnt feel rewarding witch made me play less already, now with nw rework i log in for reward and log out again until the undo the nw change
I believe an excuse for the 1 track accessories and gear for the most part is to simplify balancing. PA struggles with balancing so much that every opportunity to keep it simple is tempting. If they had 10 end game armor sets and 10 endgame accessories for each slot (Neck, belt, ears, fingers) the combinations and potential balancing issues for all 27 (soon to be 28) classes increases exponentially. 1 armor, 1 weapon, 1 accessory. Keeps it simple. It’s not fun but maybe they believe it helps with balancing. 🤔
This is why I just play BDO casually. I don't find BDO to be a "Main Game" type to play because it burns me out easily. Been playing for 6 years and I just reached 710 GS yesterday due to some insane luck enhancing this past week. I have 20k+ hrs on this game and its mostly 80% system tray 20% actually playing the game. 😂
@@ZawoalowanyIt's not. Weird MMO gamer take on " casual" considering people live vicariously through MMO's, I guess 20k hours is considered casual. Insane.
20k hours in 6 years is around 9 hours every freaking day for 6 years straight... Now that's not casual even in MMO terms xD I play casually aswell, like... I play for a few months when an event seems good or when I feel like it, like in winter because I have nothing else to do, but I still play like 10-20 hours a week, so atm I have probably like 1-2k hours in the game xD Oh and yes there was a time I skipped the game for like 2 years because cba xD
Man I swear you tell things on their name and so many of those posts I felt like they were my words out of your mouth…I appreciate the transparency and fairness , a rare gem among all the gamers /streamers database .God bless you and your family !
After reaching 730ish gs I just lost motivation to keep pushing. Instead, my endgame was making a new f2p account and getting that constant progression again. 😂 I still login to my main account but just for login rewards.
ive played casually for 7 years and EVERY time i finally finish or get that gear set etc. they have added a new faster way to get that set or thing.... the one thing i really enjoyed you also mentioned Shadow Arena was great PVP but we all know what happened with that
Great points and i really agree with you , just dont forget that u are speaking to koreans , maybe u need the guy who was the cause of the pvp removal so ur voice can be heard , out of that NA/EA are justa Cashgrab for PA , and BDO really just for the mindless korean grinders
The take on the hammers is such a good point. I'm right at the point now where I'm starting to try and farm for Debo pieces, I saved mine because I figured it would be way better to have it when I need it. But what if I can't get my Neck to TET before they go away? Then I've got absolutely zero value from it. Meanwhile, some players have tapped full PEN accessories from buying and using the hammers, just because they were in the right position in the progression chart to benefit from them. It seems every bit of content they release is the exact same way. A tiny portion of the player base is able to benefit from and enjoy new content, and then a few months later it's either totally dead or (as of late) removed entirely. Just think for a second how fun the game would be if they spent all the time and resources they do adding this content that doesn't stick around and just put ALL of that into making stuff more fun and interactive. Land of Morning Light was billed as some cutting edge new region to explore but it's basically a giant empty field with quests that consist of riding your horse for 95% of the duration. Black Shrine (for me) feels terrible to play, so I literally just spent like 10 miserable hours doing the quest for the first time and now have no intent on ever visiting that place again. When it was just old Port Ratt, I was like so infatuated and excited with "what could possibly be behind the gate?!" Absolutely nothing my friend.
I feel this big time. I am 710gs and this is probably where my gear progression ends, because it's such a slog to get anything done. The balance between skill and gear has shifted massively towards gear, I just don't feel rewarded for doing anything in this game anymore. I miss the days where if you were good enough you could beat someone at a massive gear disadvantage, now you'd be lucky to see their health bar move. Take me back to the days of tet boss softcap honestly, that era literally everything felt rewarding. Every hour you grind got you something, and every hour you spent practicing PVP legitimately made you better at winning fights. It was all W's back then, if you logged in and played you were getting somewhere, and if you were good enough a better-geared opponent was a challenge to overcome, not a wall to smash your head into until you receive brain damage.
oh x5 debo!? more dmg?! hell yea!!....wait.... nw is capped? there no open world pvp? i cant hit eva players? they took away guild league that my gear can work in? only shitty cap fight like aos is where i can fight but not use the gear i grinded for? then... why did i grind it???
Couldn't agree more, I've been at the late/end game for ages and every time I try to motivate myself to play it, I just can't. Tapped the debo neck a few times and it sucks to just grind for a week or so for 1 tap, it's boring as hell. You don't even get the occasional brawl like we used to back in the day to break up the monotony, no GVGs or old rivalries... It's literally just run in circles to make number go up for no reason lol.
DP Meme Shai: HUH Edit: Also with g.labs and koreas release style it really kills the hype of an update by watching the content being broken down before it even reaches us. Sadge
Funny fact Scholar is still unfinished as a class and we're about to get pipeman added to the game. We are missing her Magnus, 100% BSR using the Sledgehammer, proper core skill options... and the class still have a bunch of bugs from her release. Would be nice if we could get a full package for once... this is bad development.
At 761gs I haven’t logged in in over 2 months. Haven’t been happier and haven’t even missed it at all. With the death of PvP and the addition of the debo ring which is only more AP… I was out man. Too bad cuz I put a shit load of time and money into this game.
Yo dude ... tx for the video , hope PA looks at this video and lessen . Wtf it's like u spoke for me and what my complaints are about the game (i have more but nvm ).
I agree with your take. I always wondered why Late Game and End Game only has a single item to use. Lack of Build Diversity is really hurting the game. My thoughts are as Gear is becoming stronger and stronger, it is time to combine and Cull the old gear. One prime example is Blue Armor and Weapons, Naru Gear is Blue Gear, so we know PA can conceptualize this. Combat Blue Gear as it stands now, is obsolete. Gold gear is the new Blue Gear now Fallen God is out. Still so much bloat in game, including 26 version of the exact same gear. Weapons should be universal, like Armor, as PA already knows how to do this as it is in the Mobile game already. Just my Hot take.
Im currently reinstalling after a 2yr+ break. I started playing when it came out (processing costed energy), and i played for quite a while (Nova was about to come out). Wanna talk about wasted time? I breed camels for the desert! (Dream horses weren't a thing). It's the same things we were saying back then...
100% I wish PA would finish polishing up the systems we already enjoy. Its crazy I came back to the game August of last year and now almost a year later I can finally be able to play Rank AoS for the first time after spending tons of hours in practice queue. If RiotGames did this for league, there would be riots on twitter and reddit.
I have heard that PA acknowledged the problems with LoML 1 having so little replayability, but why haven't they at least taken a second look at the consumables that came with LoML to make them more useable? Currently most of them are extremely weak with 22 hour cooldowns, plus the materials required to make them are time gated. They could also significantly improve the drop rate on the items to make the +15 AP tiger so that marni sniper hunting is worthwhile.
AoB use to be FUN!! I like the Horde mode since grinding use to be so boring after a while. At least doing levels of Horde made it more fun cause it was challenging to get to highest level along with trying to work with others to survive. The rewards did suck though; if they did a Tier rewards along with completion rewards like you said it would have been great. I was always hoping they were going to bring it back when it was removed, but it just got canned.
i genuinely want to go back to the game after not playing since 2021, but seeing this situation... i think i will stay at early and mid game for the funsies when i play the game back, doing life skills and some party grind spot only with guild members
Amen brother. I wish they would focus on making the process of getting gear more fun, instead of forcing players to go for a "gear goal" that most will never reach. We could have grind spots, that have actual mechanics like oluns (more spots) or grindspots like upper gyfin, where you grind as a 5 man party, but way harder. Make the community more connected. Nowadays I actually miss spots like stars end, that had different ways of grinding and where you had to strategically pull the mobs to get more trash... Buff content like lifeskills and pvp to be actually comparable to endgame grinding (ofc not equal) and let the players choose their way of progressing. Please dont forget the high end players, that play this game for years on end and add prestigious items to go for. Stuff like Nouverikant, treasure items, unique titles and so on are a way better goal than the 3 sheet ap sidegrade debo belt... I already reached 755gs with additional swaps and it really does not feel rewarding. You just fight equally geared players at your same high end spots, that you just camp at every day and in the end you mostly win/lose at class selection, no matter if its pve or pvp. So many age old bugs/weird implementations, that dont even get commented on by the devs ( stuff like summon damage). I just hope we get some cool updates this Heidel Ball, otherwise my BDO days are over. :(
People focus too much on grinding for stuff they can't make and shouldn't make infinite loot to chase, yea update it every now and then but ultimately it won't keep most people satisfied I remember cod zombies we'd play that constantly and why? It was fun for 1 and 2 to get further in levels That's all you really need, they need to have endgame modes that are fun and can make you push to get further in, yes progress and stuff is important im not saying it doesn't matter at all but it can't be the focus of the game because eventually you will always meet those goals, what happened to just making a fun game that people played because it was fun, bdos problem is THERE'S NOTHING TO DO there's no content just circle grinding
They killed organic PvP and tried to replace it with structured and gear capped pvp, which can never replace it, and then biffed it and deleted all the replacement attempts. I am 735 GS and won't log in and definitely won't buy another value pack until they revert open world pvp. Either they don't and I'm free and don't log in ever again, or I get a vacation and eventually they revert it and I come back feeling resh to a worthwhile game. Win/win.
The main issue this game has is variety. Take Path of Exile for example. At any given moment I'm working on progressing 50 different forms of content and working on 100 different items all this while working towards seasonal challenges. I'm not even given the option to be bored.
Absolutely agree with this video! Thank you for this…Debo grind is the reason why I take long ass breaks. Granted I’m working on pen distos and have a full set of pen tungrads but shits just boring. Why even make the precision hammers sellable on the MP. Why even add precision hammers in the first place lol
In fact, (apart from what was said in the video) they should do a 180 on the chart that was presented so that the late game has more things that are profitable than just grind, grind, grind and grind...
If I have left the game 6 months ago and came back today, I wouldn't feel a difference. They barely updated anything between calpheon ball and heidel ball, feels like they are just stalling for 6 months so they have something to show at the ball. And the only actual class balance change that happened was the succ sage nerf, in half a year!
The NW changes really killed it for me, and only last week we had to 'arrange' a gvg and that got cancelled early because the other guild didn't have gear or skill. That's the state of pvp right now that makes it less worth it
Isn't that normal? In 2024, from 0 GS to 700GS will only take 2-3 months. This is like PA attracting 10% new players to reach 700 GS, maybe when there are enough 700 GS players, PA will release new content
I agree with you, the beggining when you are discoverying everything is most fun part. The grind to 730GS is still kinda fun because now you can go grind in any strong or weak spot. But the question remains, why push further than that ? you can already do everything, the only answer that I can think of is pvp, but like you said, they dont properly incentivise that. Stopped playing because of that emptiness of "why am i progressing further than that?"
i agree 100 percent. people grind same spot, all going for the same item (debo). this game has missing the build variety option. every1 going for almost same build coz there is no other options. (tungrad was a nice move for build variety but it is pure scam. stats are there only. maybe good for pvp idk.) damn i wouldnt believe that i would miss the build opiton that ESO had. you could even buff your crit heal with gear combinations :)
I think we're in the player first and pa second phase now since we get a lot of the needed update for pve. for pvp it's different story, i can't tell since i'm not into it. but for pve it's so comfortable to do stuff now and new player can progress really fast.
I took a 3 year break from the game because there was just no real drive anymore to progress I was grinding the same places doing the same thing every day and it got to the point I was only logging in to hit bosses like vell or garmoth then that event oasis gear dissapeared and I lost all of my boss alts so then it really was just garmoth and a character posted out at vell was the only 2 bosses I was trying to make it too before I couldn't justify the time for that anymore either. These new changes did great to boost my gear score but I still don't have enough accuracy even with 306ap to hurt anyone in pvp as an archer xD and I'm finding myself grinding the same 250ap mid level grind zones because I just can't seem to make money anywhere else, got 2 distos from saunils last night and about 500m in trash and misc drops to pair with it Dx and since that was the first time I've ever spawned the rift bosses twice in the 50 or so hours I've put into that grind zone it's not very sustainable.. they need to buff some of the group grind zones so players can have activities that aren't strictly solo and still make decent money I miss sitting in chat with friends grinding trees making what used to be good money but now towards near end game it's like solitary confinement I've lone Wolfed long enough :c
I agree 100%. I quit playing because of the accessory grind. I feel like if you gain xp from everything from walking around and drinking pots to cooking random shit but you never get better at enhancing. Like you've tried to make a million accessories, weapons, and armor pieces but there is no stat there that increases. I guess some people will argue fail stacks but that's a meme. Your base stats never get better no matter how much you do it. Literal slot machine.
Back in the day when they were focused on making BDO mobile and console to make the IP bigger the game was also struggling content-wise. I'm gonna chalk this up to the development of Crimson Desert but there is obviously a limit of how much of this boredom everyone can take. My best solution has been to give up on tryharding anything, only play whenever doing circles feels like fun and then play whatever other game seems fun (Elden Ring DLC hype).
for me as a pve only andy theres no reason to go for 5 set pen debos. sure i can get slightly more trash with it on but the number of hours i have to put in to get an extremely tiny income increase is not worth it at all. i would have to grind for debos for thousands of hours to get them and i will very literally NEVER see that effort be payed back, because ill still be grinding the same spots i already was just like 2% faster. theres no reason to grind debos period. no spot that requires you to have them and the time and effort it takes you to get them is simply too much.
Brother, EVERYTHING you just said is the exact reason I quit. I'm not grinding 600 hours for my next upgrade. I don't have time for that. You said it MUCH better than I could have though. What I also don't like is 30 classes with no real balance. They should have stayed with 10-12 classes and made them better and focused on content.
PA's goal isn't to make the game enjoyable, it's to sell costumes, they don't care about the thousands of players complaining about the state of PVP, they just want the pearl market to keep pumping money, lets not forget that they released outfits... FOR FAIRIES, FUCKING FAIRY OUTFITS THAT COST 20-30$
They are killing the game that i got to love in 2016, grinding has always been a big part but enhancing has never been less rewarding and open world interaction is just getting shut down more and more. Where are the grindspots that you fought over to go grind and you still made more progress an hour then nowadays.
Imagine now, all those game modes like shadow arena, altar, war of the roses and many others that i dont even remember where still in the game and constantly being polished the game would be insane for actual multiplayer content , instead they seem to abandon stuff immediately after it seems like its not doing that well even after spending probably years working on it. There must be something going on in PA, someone doing these decisions to scrap stuff thats actualy fun and would keep players in the game if they polished it a bit more and gave it time, instead doing everything else that keeps players from playing together and just focusing on solo play....
If they can do a layer of upgrade into boss gear it will be nice if they can do the same to any old accesory rather than just having Debo 😆 That's why once I reach GS 700 I'm good and will be playing on and off.
its crazy they expect us to grind 1000 hrs for accessories. We got job IRL. No time to grind that many hours and wasting my time. So, no money for u anymore PA
I made my first debo necklace, 7 hammers and I spent like 2 months of full grind and 300 billions. And yeah, it's boring. Now im trying to grind the belt, but man... I feel like all my motivation is gone. It feels like a linear path, i just take the daily quest to feel i'm doing something different every day.
Your point about PA first, players second could've been fleshed out with more examples instead of repeating it so many times. The phrase itself is ambigous and wide without examples. And i also think that feeling aimless at the end-game is kind of universal trait of live-service games, and the only purpose of your grind should be that you enjoy grinding in itself otherwise just don't grind.
Im pretty sure i gave MULTIPLE examples of why PA comes first in detail as well. If you make it past the first 300 seconds, youll see those examples given. Unles you want the video to be an hour long.
The only example you gave that fits was the shadow arena unless you consider new content being uncreative, unoriginal, short-sighted and pvp not being rewarding "PA putting themselves first before the players". But at that point i don't what you mean by that phrase, it includes too much so as a result it loses meaning.
Managed to hit full PEN gear after years of playing. The last few pieces and brackets I hit, I didn't even notice myself any stronger. I don't pvp and have no interest in it since I get 1shot regardless or my internet is so bad that everyone just teleports all around me, it just kills any and all motivation. I see absolutely 0 reason to go for deb accessories since the last few brackets I pushed never even increased my power in PvE so why bother? I just feel like I "beat the game" and all the other content is pointless to do. I miss older BDO, now it just seems like they are afraid to reward players for doing anything other than grinding and just focus any grind we do to be a pity farm. I am so. sick. and. tired. of. 100. 200. whatever pity we need.
Yea my Hammer has been sitting at min price on NA from 2 weeks after it was released and it’s still there. Idk what to do because I’m not far enough in the game to use it.
Even though you didn't mention all bad things in BDO you said enough - 100% true! I'm almost 3 years in the game and haven't gotten a single Garmoth or Vell heart and I do them 99.999% of the time. Now I'm at 80 hours since debo ring/limbo release and got 0 limbos / 0 rings! Bad RNG? No, that's bad game mechanics!! Especially for an item that is the sole item we must have and that we need prolly 100 (with my RNG) of them for a PEN, while others got PENs within 3-4 days since release.. And when I know I can easily go for another 80 or even 160 hours of pointless grind and stil get 0 - why should I do it? Am I that dumb? I'm in such a mental state now that when I hear "RNG" I think of PA and get seriously depressed and frustrated of my own stupidity.................. BDO end game is a BS.
Message to PA, bring back optional party content. like old school sausans or pirates, a farm thats doable alone but slightly better with more. this creates an option to go do the thing without having to sit in party finder and invite players along the way. Idk about other players but only having the option to play alone or have to be in a set size party is a turn off. Creating a small incentive structure for playing in party sounds like a great idea to me, enabling friends to actually play with each other.
In terms of grind i really enjoyed what they have done with elvia and the spots that came after. Every spot offered some form of gimmick or mechanic to play around with and in a way a path to consistent progress. Be it cups, inf pots etc. Same thing with lantern spots for map and compass, its offered a decent way to hunt for those without knowing you gonna "waste" your time there. Also rly enjoyed the whole flame and arti grind. In a way its like a clear path to mark of while watching your account grow. I myself have no hit the debo wall just yet, still got a couple of goals to hit (like full acc set, DR swaps, eva swaps etc) before im gonna hit my head on pen debos. I do hope we get more of that type of progress at some point again, maybe with fallen god weapons or idk armour cups? RBF does give rewards, just turned around 100 red essences into 40b again. But i agree, its not enough for the time we spend there. Like not even close. Same thing with AoS, man would i love a fresh season and maybe some rewards for actually playing that mode, as broken as pvp is for a long time now its still fun. Shadow Arena was removed because it effectivly killed the market over night. It was a full on bot frenzy and turned into the best silver / hr by a mile for them while running a near 0 chance for players to ever notice you. The whole argument to fight hackers there is rather pointless. You will never get rid of them if its profitable enough, why put consistant manpower into it when you know another version of the hack will be out again by tomorrow. One point has to be said tho, they done the "give the players what they want" before. Problem was, it still got dumped the very moment it wasnt a top 3 silver / hr spot no matter if it was fun or not. Overall tho, yep good points!
I've quit playing when I reached 690 gs couple months ago because I knew the next step is just boring grinding for hours,even then I was playing the game for AoS,now I returned,got myself to 696 gs,already bored. I'm too squishy at everywhere (rbf,guild league),only aos makes me want to play,otherwise how tf am I supposed to get to the end game. Even the idea of endless,boring grind like a slave makes me wanna quit again..
On the money with this one my man. The end game is just a one track path. I absolutely hate it. I havent even started the debo grind and I dont even want to. Such a damn waste of time for so little return. Its a god damn shame. I wish I had the magic back when I was just a new player with hundreds of possibilities at my fingertips.
Just a hot take I had on stream. What do you think?
Not hot at all, its 2000% accurate. They're so busy trying to bait new players into the game that they just half-ass endgame/new content. New players aren't going to stick around for the midgame-endgame step if they're going to see how the game gets neglected after 2-3 months. PA first, player second. Their focus just doesn't feel like its on BDO anymore, and its sad to see unfold. Also that last bit about getting the debos etc and not being able to use them is so real, they have to stop adding capped content and acting like they solved world poverty 😂
legit the same talk me and my gf had 3 days ago. Agree alot with what you're saying. hope someone from pa listens to this 🙏
Its not hot its the same shit we've all been saying for years now
I agree with you 100%. I feel like quitting this shit . they killed all my pvp and pve is hot garbage
Simply agree
3 of my friends and I started playing and met around 2021. We all made it to late game, joined the same pvp guilds etc. We've all quit over the last few months, the game is offering less and less and it's just depressing at this point
Even though the tungrad accessory set effect is a bit of a miss. I appreciate the thought process that there are other accessories that can be viable in late game. Widening the amount of options other than deboreka grind will be a healthy change.
+1
Late game is just grinding out cron stones, its fucking awful and I hate it. Stopped playing because of it.
I'm about to do that any day now too
You and so many others. Hopefully this message can get to someone who actually sees this and takes it into consideration.
@@FakeUni U spitting 1000% facts ong.. Lets hope Heidel Ball brings out some new end game content that will allow use to use these end game gears to use.
the worst part is price of crons. Anything else other than debo is not worth using crons bcz cron price is higher compared to item price
Yeah quit cuz of this grindy linear stuff. Limited options to get bis other than whale or run circles. Also takes way too long.
You summarized what me and probably so many others feel about the game, at least the PvP community. You really address the issues with the game directly which is very refreshing.
Yup. I realized early on that PA doesn't want to reward players for anything because they think they'd lose money. And they made the Endgame Content The Gear Progression itself because that gives the most money as well. Then I quit.
I also made a prediction. That PA will put more and more expensive items in the game, and more quickly as well. Old items get irrelevant = more money for PA.
After years of tapping Debos. It's miserable. I hate it
Yeaaahhhhh.........
Where you at bro? I miss your streams.
I stream all the time
The last part about getting 5 debos and it meaning absolutely nothing coz of everything being capped , SO BASED .
I will say the implementation of Deboreka Rings legitimately felt like something you would see on a private server, recycled content to a shameless degree.
Yeaaaaaaa
Nah bro, we dont have that in BDO PS. Our private servers make it so you don't give your soul and work 2 jobs to play BDO. And we have custom items that are better than Pas shitty items
How you feel is what most people feel. As a casual currently at 730GS. Im with you with this one dude. 🔥
1. Rework hit counts, DR, Eva(optimize lag) first > then War of Rose(now less/no lag)
2. Class,DR,Eva rework is good so i dont get 1-shot with 400+DP. but now infinite mobility classes will be immortal.
3. Endgame gear is WAY too fixed on Debos. Imagine Narc, Distortions, Vahas, even Accuracy has set effects.
4. At least have multiple build options for Endgame. not 1 braindead full debo monkey.
5. Mindset of PA is prob. WANTING new players but not KEEPING said players.
Just hoping better new contents in Heidel/Calpheon ball or an unlikely better action packed mmorpg.
good video gamer i cba to grind anymore just to do capped content and theres noway to progress by pvp so feels like theres no real reason to play atm
Hopefully they give us a real reason
2:14 so real, I haven't grinded in like a year
Yeaaaaa.......
im over BDO. I havent grinded for over a 6 months. I used to love playing the game but end game is so boring im just like whats 6 extra AP when im already 4 pen debos in and TET fg. I could go for rings but for what lol Theres no content i can do with the rings that i couldnt do without them so yeah im skipping rings and idc.
BDO was more fun when things were harder to attain but everything is given so its like im good. 30b silver for those who sold their hammer is crazy amount of silver given just like that. Idk it each their own but ill play again if something interesting pops up but if not oh well.
well said. and spoken for many across the board.
Fuck the debo grind I'm already full pen tungrad with the 5 set. Honestly after downgrading 8 pen neck attempts I'm chill with being 316ap319aap420dp😅
Your cooking bruh ngl this is the rant we needed!!! Especially in terms of endgame
For me, the most annoying thing is that grinding for any debo other than the earring forces you to grind solo, which becomes super boring after about 2 hours for me. I truly wish places like dehkia ash or crypt allowed for 2-3 man, sharing the misery would feel 100 times better than potentially killing the same mob for 5+ hours with no drops solo.
I hope group bosses and altar solves this problem, but I'm afraid they'll be weekly time gated.
So true brother. Sole reason I'm playing the game actively now (as opposed to just afk for rewards) is the time limit on hammers, I'm worried there won't be a better time to get debos after they are removed, and it will be even more of a struggle.
Hopefully Heidel Ball
totaly agree, gearing up doesnt feel rewarding witch made me play less already, now with nw rework i log in for reward and log out again until the undo the nw change
I believe an excuse for the 1 track accessories and gear for the most part is to simplify balancing.
PA struggles with balancing so much that every opportunity to keep it simple is tempting.
If they had 10 end game armor sets and 10 endgame accessories for each slot (Neck, belt, ears, fingers) the combinations and potential balancing issues for all 27 (soon to be 28) classes increases exponentially.
1 armor, 1 weapon, 1 accessory. Keeps it simple. It’s not fun but maybe they believe it helps with balancing. 🤔
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This is why I just play BDO casually. I don't find BDO to be a "Main Game" type to play because it burns me out easily. Been playing for 6 years and I just reached 710 GS yesterday due to some insane luck enhancing this past week. I have 20k+ hrs on this game and its mostly 80% system tray 20% actually playing the game. 😂
Lol
My brother, how tf is that casual play?
As someone else with over 20k casual hours in game I feel this xD
@@ZawoalowanyIt's not. Weird MMO gamer take on " casual" considering people live vicariously through MMO's, I guess 20k hours is considered casual. Insane.
20k hours in 6 years is around 9 hours every freaking day for 6 years straight... Now that's not casual even in MMO terms xD
I play casually aswell, like... I play for a few months when an event seems good or when I feel like it, like in winter because I have nothing else to do, but I still play like 10-20 hours a week, so atm I have probably like 1-2k hours in the game xD
Oh and yes there was a time I skipped the game for like 2 years because cba xD
I agree with all of this, the only thing really keeping me going is treasure items, and waiting for debos to saturate and fall in price
Man I swear you tell things on their name and so many of those posts I felt like they were my words out of your mouth…I appreciate the transparency and fairness , a rare gem among all the gamers /streamers database .God bless you and your family !
After reaching 730ish gs I just lost motivation to keep pushing. Instead, my endgame was making a new f2p account and getting that constant progression again. 😂 I still login to my main account but just for login rewards.
I did this exact same thing
I hate how I feel like I need to work on my pen Debos RIGHT NOW. The hammers are gonna be removed so I need to grind taps now. Which really sucks
agree
ive played casually for 7 years and EVERY time i finally finish or get that gear set etc. they have added a new faster way to get that set or thing.... the one thing i really enjoyed you also mentioned Shadow Arena was great PVP but we all know what happened with that
The problem is that they don’t want us to have fun
Lol
Great points and i really agree with you , just dont forget that u are speaking to koreans , maybe u need the guy who was the cause of the pvp removal so ur voice can be heard , out of that NA/EA are justa Cashgrab for PA , and BDO really just for the mindless korean grinders
The take on the hammers is such a good point. I'm right at the point now where I'm starting to try and farm for Debo pieces, I saved mine because I figured it would be way better to have it when I need it. But what if I can't get my Neck to TET before they go away? Then I've got absolutely zero value from it. Meanwhile, some players have tapped full PEN accessories from buying and using the hammers, just because they were in the right position in the progression chart to benefit from them. It seems every bit of content they release is the exact same way. A tiny portion of the player base is able to benefit from and enjoy new content, and then a few months later it's either totally dead or (as of late) removed entirely.
Just think for a second how fun the game would be if they spent all the time and resources they do adding this content that doesn't stick around and just put ALL of that into making stuff more fun and interactive. Land of Morning Light was billed as some cutting edge new region to explore but it's basically a giant empty field with quests that consist of riding your horse for 95% of the duration. Black Shrine (for me) feels terrible to play, so I literally just spent like 10 miserable hours doing the quest for the first time and now have no intent on ever visiting that place again. When it was just old Port Ratt, I was like so infatuated and excited with "what could possibly be behind the gate?!" Absolutely nothing my friend.
I feel this big time. I am 710gs and this is probably where my gear progression ends, because it's such a slog to get anything done. The balance between skill and gear has shifted massively towards gear, I just don't feel rewarded for doing anything in this game anymore. I miss the days where if you were good enough you could beat someone at a massive gear disadvantage, now you'd be lucky to see their health bar move.
Take me back to the days of tet boss softcap honestly, that era literally everything felt rewarding. Every hour you grind got you something, and every hour you spent practicing PVP legitimately made you better at winning fights. It was all W's back then, if you logged in and played you were getting somewhere, and if you were good enough a better-geared opponent was a challenge to overcome, not a wall to smash your head into until you receive brain damage.
the game has pvp weighing over pve, the players are really toxic.
Debo's killed my love for the game, and that was after 14k hours of pure enjoyment from the game
agreed with everything you said. i only log in to node war these days, and the interest i have in even that is waning after the revamp.
oh x5 debo!? more dmg?! hell yea!!....wait.... nw is capped? there no open world pvp? i cant hit eva players? they took away guild league that my gear can work in? only shitty cap fight like aos is where i can fight but not use the gear i grinded for? then... why did i grind it???
the fck you yapping about. guild league is still in trial and error experimental mode. they will release the official guild league in the future
You can grind tungrad ruin better now, go push those numbers
you hit eva even without acc now, what are you talking about
the Cron Stone grind is slowly eroding my psyche xD
facts
Couldn't agree more, I've been at the late/end game for ages and every time I try to motivate myself to play it, I just can't. Tapped the debo neck a few times and it sucks to just grind for a week or so for 1 tap, it's boring as hell. You don't even get the occasional brawl like we used to back in the day to break up the monotony, no GVGs or old rivalries... It's literally just run in circles to make number go up for no reason lol.
DP Meme Shai: HUH
Edit: Also with g.labs and koreas release style it really kills the hype of an update by watching the content being broken down before it even reaches us. Sadge
Yeah.... this Korea first update BS needs a solid change FOR ONCE
Very cool! Hope everything is good with you man!! Havent been over on your stream in a long time!
Nice to see you in the comment section! Right back at you. Hope you are healthy and happy these days!
Funny fact Scholar is still unfinished as a class and we're about to get pipeman added to the game. We are missing her Magnus, 100% BSR using the Sledgehammer, proper core skill options... and the class still have a bunch of bugs from her release. Would be nice if we could get a full package for once... this is bad development.
I had no idea scholar was in that position atm.
At 761gs I haven’t logged in in over 2 months. Haven’t been happier and haven’t even missed it at all. With the death of PvP and the addition of the debo ring which is only more AP… I was out man. Too bad cuz I put a shit load of time and money into this game.
Yo dude ... tx for the video , hope PA looks at this video and lessen . Wtf it's like u spoke for me and what my complaints are about the game (i have more but nvm ).
I agree with your take. I always wondered why Late Game and End Game only has a single item to use. Lack of Build Diversity is really hurting the game. My thoughts are as Gear is becoming stronger and stronger, it is time to combine and Cull the old gear. One prime example is Blue Armor and Weapons, Naru Gear is Blue Gear, so we know PA can conceptualize this. Combat Blue Gear as it stands now, is obsolete. Gold gear is the new Blue Gear now Fallen God is out. Still so much bloat in game, including 26 version of the exact same gear. Weapons should be universal, like Armor, as PA already knows how to do this as it is in the Mobile game already. Just my Hot take.
Im currently reinstalling after a 2yr+ break. I started playing when it came out (processing costed energy), and i played for quite a while (Nova was about to come out).
Wanna talk about wasted time? I breed camels for the desert! (Dream horses weren't a thing).
It's the same things we were saying back then...
100% I wish PA would finish polishing up the systems we already enjoy.
Its crazy I came back to the game August of last year and now almost a year later I can finally be able to play Rank AoS for the first time after spending tons of hours in practice queue. If RiotGames did this for league, there would be riots on twitter and reddit.
I have heard that PA acknowledged the problems with LoML 1 having so little replayability, but why haven't they at least taken a second look at the consumables that came with LoML to make them more useable? Currently most of them are extremely weak with 22 hour cooldowns, plus the materials required to make them are time gated. They could also significantly improve the drop rate on the items to make the +15 AP tiger so that marni sniper hunting is worthwhile.
AoB use to be FUN!! I like the Horde mode since grinding use to be so boring after a while. At least doing levels of Horde made it more fun cause it was challenging to get to highest level along with trying to work with others to survive. The rewards did suck though; if they did a Tier rewards along with completion rewards like you said it would have been great. I was always hoping they were going to bring it back when it was removed, but it just got canned.
i hope they make new accessories that drop like twice per hour, grinding feels so much better when you are waiting for a drop
i genuinely want to go back to the game after not playing since 2021, but seeing this situation... i think i will stay at early and mid game for the funsies when i play the game back, doing life skills and some party grind spot only with guild members
If they can put the excitement you have in early to be at the end game, that would be nice. Something to look for.
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Amen brother. I wish they would focus on making the process of getting gear more fun, instead of forcing players to go for a "gear goal" that most will never reach. We could have grind spots, that have actual mechanics like oluns (more spots) or grindspots like upper gyfin, where you grind as a 5 man party, but way harder. Make the community more connected. Nowadays I actually miss spots like stars end, that had different ways of grinding and where you had to strategically pull the mobs to get more trash... Buff content like lifeskills and pvp to be actually comparable to endgame grinding (ofc not equal) and let the players choose their way of progressing. Please dont forget the high end players, that play this game for years on end and add prestigious items to go for. Stuff like Nouverikant, treasure items, unique titles and so on are a way better goal than the 3 sheet ap sidegrade debo belt... I already reached 755gs with additional swaps and it really does not feel rewarding. You just fight equally geared players at your same high end spots, that you just camp at every day and in the end you mostly win/lose at class selection, no matter if its pve or pvp. So many age old bugs/weird implementations, that dont even get commented on by the devs ( stuff like summon damage). I just hope we get some cool updates this Heidel Ball, otherwise my BDO days are over. :(
People focus too much on grinding for stuff they can't make and shouldn't make infinite loot to chase, yea update it every now and then but ultimately it won't keep most people satisfied
I remember cod zombies we'd play that constantly and why? It was fun for 1 and 2 to get further in levels
That's all you really need, they need to have endgame modes that are fun and can make you push to get further in, yes progress and stuff is important im not saying it doesn't matter at all but it can't be the focus of the game because eventually you will always meet those goals, what happened to just making a fun game that people played because it was fun, bdos problem is THERE'S NOTHING TO DO there's no content just circle grinding
They killed organic PvP and tried to replace it with structured and gear capped pvp, which can never replace it, and then biffed it and deleted all the replacement attempts.
I am 735 GS and won't log in and definitely won't buy another value pack until they revert open world pvp. Either they don't and I'm free and don't log in ever again, or I get a vacation and eventually they revert it and I come back feeling resh to a worthwhile game. Win/win.
Idk man I've been in 2 open world GvGs this week. There is plenty of pvp you can find in open world if you are willing to fight other pvpers.
in my opinion they are making a PVP game a PVE game. no more GvGs made me quit. (they needed to protect new players in a better way)
They could’ve easily made only pve servers and kept the Dec system.
Theyre making it a dead game at this rate because even the department of PVE is diminishing.
The main issue this game has is variety. Take Path of Exile for example. At any given moment I'm working on progressing 50 different forms of content and working on 100 different items all this while working towards seasonal challenges. I'm not even given the option to be bored.
Absolutely agree with this video! Thank you for this…Debo grind is the reason why I take long ass breaks. Granted I’m working on pen distos and have a full set of pen tungrads but shits just boring. Why even make the precision hammers sellable on the MP. Why even add precision hammers in the first place lol
Worst part is the overall PVP state. I enjoy an occasional grind and I love BDO but wtf are they doing
Why make precision hammers sellable. Its so crazy to me
In fact, (apart from what was said in the video) they should do a 180 on the chart that was presented so that the late game has more things that are profitable than just grind, grind, grind and grind...
If I have left the game 6 months ago and came back today, I wouldn't feel a difference. They barely updated anything between calpheon ball and heidel ball, feels like they are just stalling for 6 months so they have something to show at the ball. And the only actual class balance change that happened was the succ sage nerf, in half a year!
The NW changes really killed it for me, and only last week we had to 'arrange' a gvg and that got cancelled early because the other guild didn't have gear or skill. That's the state of pvp right now that makes it less worth it
got my 5 set tet debos but the feels is the same without it before where I grind. It seems that I'm not getting strong the same spot where I grind
Isn't that normal? In 2024, from 0 GS to 700GS will only take 2-3 months. This is like PA attracting 10% new players to reach 700 GS, maybe when there are enough 700 GS players, PA will release new content
I agree with you, the beggining when you are discoverying everything is most fun part. The grind to 730GS is still kinda fun because now you can go grind in any strong or weak spot. But the question remains, why push further than that ? you can already do everything, the only answer that I can think of is pvp, but like you said, they dont properly incentivise that. Stopped playing because of that emptiness of "why am i progressing further than that?"
MAKE BDO FUN AGAIN
i agree 100 percent. people grind same spot, all going for the same item (debo). this game has missing the build variety option. every1 going for almost same build coz there is no other options. (tungrad was a nice move for build variety but it is pure scam. stats are there only. maybe good for pvp idk.) damn i wouldnt believe that i would miss the build opiton that ESO had. you could even buff your crit heal with gear combinations :)
This is actually really really accurate.
Glad we see eye to eye
I think we're in the player first and pa second phase now since we get a lot of the needed update for pve. for pvp it's different story, i can't tell since i'm not into it. but for pve it's so comfortable to do stuff now and new player can progress really fast.
I took a 3 year break from the game because there was just no real drive anymore to progress I was grinding the same places doing the same thing every day and it got to the point I was only logging in to hit bosses like vell or garmoth then that event oasis gear dissapeared and I lost all of my boss alts so then it really was just garmoth and a character posted out at vell was the only 2 bosses I was trying to make it too before I couldn't justify the time for that anymore either. These new changes did great to boost my gear score but I still don't have enough accuracy even with 306ap to hurt anyone in pvp as an archer xD and I'm finding myself grinding the same 250ap mid level grind zones because I just can't seem to make money anywhere else, got 2 distos from saunils last night and about 500m in trash and misc drops to pair with it Dx and since that was the first time I've ever spawned the rift bosses twice in the 50 or so hours I've put into that grind zone it's not very sustainable.. they need to buff some of the group grind zones so players can have activities that aren't strictly solo and still make decent money I miss sitting in chat with friends grinding trees making what used to be good money but now towards near end game it's like solitary confinement I've lone Wolfed long enough :c
I agree 100%. I quit playing because of the accessory grind. I feel like if you gain xp from everything from walking around and drinking pots to cooking random shit but you never get better at enhancing. Like you've tried to make a million accessories, weapons, and armor pieces but there is no stat there that increases. I guess some people will argue fail stacks but that's a meme. Your base stats never get better no matter how much you do it. Literal slot machine.
Back in the day when they were focused on making BDO mobile and console to make the IP bigger the game was also struggling content-wise. I'm gonna chalk this up to the development of Crimson Desert but there is obviously a limit of how much of this boredom everyone can take. My best solution has been to give up on tryharding anything, only play whenever doing circles feels like fun and then play whatever other game seems fun (Elden Ring DLC hype).
ELDEN RING IS GONNA BE HOOOTTTTTTTT
this is what caused me to stop playing 2 months ago, I knew that this is what is annoying me but could've not put it to words any better
for me as a pve only andy theres no reason to go for 5 set pen debos. sure i can get slightly more trash with it on but the number of hours i have to put in to get an extremely tiny income increase is not worth it at all. i would have to grind for debos for thousands of hours to get them and i will very literally NEVER see that effort be payed back, because ill still be grinding the same spots i already was just like 2% faster. theres no reason to grind debos period. no spot that requires you to have them and the time and effort it takes you to get them is simply too much.
Exactly. Theres no compelling content that exists that gives you a reason to push for it. The bar needs to be raised.
Brother, EVERYTHING you just said is the exact reason I quit. I'm not grinding 600 hours for my next upgrade. I don't have time for that. You said it MUCH better than I could have though.
What I also don't like is 30 classes with no real balance. They should have stayed with 10-12 classes and made them better and focused on content.
PA wants to eat now forgetting that they have to save for the long period.
I've pretty much lost motivation to grind at 710GS because most PVP doesn't require gear and cron tapping isn't fun.
PA's goal isn't to make the game enjoyable, it's to sell costumes, they don't care about the thousands of players complaining about the state of PVP, they just want the pearl market to keep pumping money, lets not forget that they released outfits... FOR FAIRIES, FUCKING FAIRY OUTFITS THAT COST 20-30$
Its like you jumped into my head and rant on youtube for me 100% agree with the early game.
They are killing the game that i got to love in 2016, grinding has always been a big part but enhancing has never been less rewarding and open world interaction is just getting shut down more and more. Where are the grindspots that you fought over to go grind and you still made more progress an hour then nowadays.
Preach it brother
Wont stop
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Great video, appreciate the factual point of view.
Imagine now, all those game modes like shadow arena, altar, war of the roses and many others that i dont even remember where still in the game and constantly being polished the game would be insane for actual multiplayer content , instead they seem to abandon stuff immediately after it seems like its not doing that well even after spending probably years working on it.
There must be something going on in PA, someone doing these decisions to scrap stuff thats actualy fun and would keep players in the game if they polished it a bit more and gave it time, instead doing everything else that keeps players from playing together and just focusing on solo play....
Not to further mention, letting the fuel of that content run out and doing nothing to maintain its life span
If they can do a layer of upgrade into boss gear it will be nice if they can do the same to any old accesory rather than just having Debo 😆 That's why once I reach GS 700 I'm good and will be playing on and off.
That seems to be the case for the majority atm
its crazy they expect us to grind 1000 hrs for accessories. We got job IRL. No time to grind that many hours and wasting my time. So, no money for u anymore PA
YEAH THIS IS TRUE
I made my first debo necklace, 7 hammers and I spent like 2 months of full grind and 300 billions. And yeah, it's boring. Now im trying to grind the belt, but man... I feel like all my motivation is gone. It feels like a linear path, i just take the daily quest to feel i'm doing something different every day.
I feel this 100% and I’m on console lol. Should have touched on the new nw system. How that’s dead on arrivals as well.
I pretty much summed it up i feel. but not wrong.
Your point about PA first, players second could've been fleshed out with more examples instead of repeating it so many times. The phrase itself is ambigous and wide without examples. And i also think that feeling aimless at the end-game is kind of universal trait of live-service games, and the only purpose of your grind should be that you enjoy grinding in itself otherwise just don't grind.
Im pretty sure i gave MULTIPLE examples of why PA comes first in detail as well. If you make it past the first 300 seconds, youll see those examples given. Unles you want the video to be an hour long.
The only example you gave that fits was the shadow arena unless you consider new content being uncreative, unoriginal, short-sighted and pvp not being rewarding "PA putting themselves first before the players". But at that point i don't what you mean by that phrase, it includes too much so as a result it loses meaning.
Looks like our opinions are as diverse as the content in the game itself! Let's keep the discussion lively.
Endgame is never ending grinding. Im done with this game.
Hopefully Hedeil ball re-ignites our ambitions.
That is what mmo is designed for bro.
@@FakeUni Fallen god weapons that require even more crons is coming. The cron bottleneck is really hurting the game.
@@FakeUni another item being added that will simply add to the already never ending grind for crons, so much re-ignition lol
@@badassworth299 it is. Buy the way PA doing things nowadays, is just absurd. They focus too much in pve, look at what happened in pvp.
Yes i was just complaining about this today!😢
They will either need to go back to the idea of making Crimson desert an mmorpg. Or do a massive upgrade to the engine again and add good gun classes.
We need male gunslinger
I wouldnt mind the grind, if we still had nodewars
Accurate take on current end game. I think all of us agreed with you
thank you for listening to my hot take
Managed to hit full PEN gear after years of playing. The last few pieces and brackets I hit, I didn't even notice myself any stronger. I don't pvp and have no interest in it since I get 1shot regardless or my internet is so bad that everyone just teleports all around me, it just kills any and all motivation. I see absolutely 0 reason to go for deb accessories since the last few brackets I pushed never even increased my power in PvE so why bother? I just feel like I "beat the game" and all the other content is pointless to do. I miss older BDO, now it just seems like they are afraid to reward players for doing anything other than grinding and just focus any grind we do to be a pity farm. I am so. sick. and. tired. of. 100. 200. whatever pity we need.
MR J: It will be Ok
Yea my Hammer has been sitting at min price on NA from 2 weeks after it was released and it’s still there. Idk what to do because I’m not far enough in the game to use it.
Even though you didn't mention all bad things in BDO you said enough - 100% true!
I'm almost 3 years in the game and haven't gotten a single Garmoth or Vell heart and I do them 99.999% of the time. Now I'm at 80 hours since debo ring/limbo release and got 0 limbos / 0 rings! Bad RNG? No, that's bad game mechanics!! Especially for an item that is the sole item we must have and that we need prolly 100 (with my RNG) of them for a PEN, while others got PENs within 3-4 days since release.. And when I know I can easily go for another 80 or even 160 hours of pointless grind and stil get 0 - why should I do it? Am I that dumb?
I'm in such a mental state now that when I hear "RNG" I think of PA and get seriously depressed and frustrated of my own stupidity.................. BDO end game is a BS.
As an early/midgame player. Hearing about the end game makes me not want to even bother with it.
Message to PA, bring back optional party content. like old school sausans or pirates, a farm thats doable alone but slightly better with more. this creates an option to go do the thing without having to sit in party finder and invite players along the way. Idk about other players but only having the option to play alone or have to be in a set size party is a turn off. Creating a small incentive structure for playing in party sounds like a great idea to me, enabling friends to actually play with each other.
PREACHING! new nodewarsystem DEDge on arrival
Exactly...Like I'm 748/749GS, it's annoying going into NW and it's capped. Like why like fkn why is that even a thing
totaly agree on all the points you mention
In terms of grind i really enjoyed what they have done with elvia and the spots that came after. Every spot offered some form of gimmick or mechanic to play around with and in a way a path to consistent progress. Be it cups, inf pots etc. Same thing with lantern spots for map and compass, its offered a decent way to hunt for those without knowing you gonna "waste" your time there.
Also rly enjoyed the whole flame and arti grind. In a way its like a clear path to mark of while watching your account grow.
I myself have no hit the debo wall just yet, still got a couple of goals to hit (like full acc set, DR swaps, eva swaps etc) before im gonna hit my head on pen debos.
I do hope we get more of that type of progress at some point again, maybe with fallen god weapons or idk armour cups?
RBF does give rewards, just turned around 100 red essences into 40b again. But i agree, its not enough for the time we spend there. Like not even close. Same thing with AoS, man would i love a fresh season and maybe some rewards for actually playing that mode, as broken as pvp is for a long time now its still fun.
Shadow Arena was removed because it effectivly killed the market over night. It was a full on bot frenzy and turned into the best silver / hr by a mile for them while running a near 0 chance for players to ever notice you. The whole argument to fight hackers there is rather pointless. You will never get rid of them if its profitable enough, why put consistant manpower into it when you know another version of the hack will be out again by tomorrow.
One point has to be said tho, they done the "give the players what they want" before. Problem was, it still got dumped the very moment it wasnt a top 3 silver / hr spot no matter if it was fun or not.
Overall tho, yep good points!
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Preach brother 🙏
Hopefully this results in a positive outcome
I've quit playing when I reached 690 gs couple months ago because I knew the next step is just boring grinding for hours,even then I was playing the game for AoS,now I returned,got myself to 696 gs,already bored. I'm too squishy at everywhere (rbf,guild league),only aos makes me want to play,otherwise how tf am I supposed to get to the end game. Even the idea of endless,boring grind like a slave makes me wanna quit again..
On the money with this one my man. The end game is just a one track path. I absolutely hate it. I havent even started the debo grind and I dont even want to. Such a damn waste of time for so little return. Its a god damn shame.
I wish I had the magic back when I was just a new player with hundreds of possibilities at my fingertips.