Yeah, no. I don't think you realize how many different products curly haired people try, lol. Especially when first starting the "curly girl method". If this was because of cowashing other products would cause this too. I do agree people need to clarify their scalps regularly, but these products are definitely causing these issues.
Gravincas Right? Curly girls are the MOST aware about the ingredients in their armada of hair products. What an uninformed and frankly patronizing video.
Dr. Dray is not doubting your experience, but co-washing for me is a no, no. It didn't matter what co-wash from whatever company I used it left my scalp itchy. That whole co-wash and no poo idea is so ridiculous. And I do have 4c hair.
Rachel Lawrence I completely agree. I feel the co wash method doesn’t work. I also have 4c type hair and I experimented this method for a month and I didn’t last for two weeks. My scalp was itching like crazy. If many curly hair girls want to continue this method, they need to at least clarify their hair and scalp monthly. I’m frankly annoyed that they are pointing the blame to Devacurls when most of them didn’t clean their scalp.
@@tjc2993 I can attest as a 3B curly girl, that co-washing does work - at least for me - and deva curl’s no-poo worked well for me since I started using them exclusively in 2014. This is in conjunction with a scalp cleanse every couple of weeks, so I knew my scalp was ultra clean. That changed in 2017 when I started noticing itchy scalp, dry and frizzing hair and tons of hair loss. Still, I continued using my same deva curl products and routine. Co-washing might not work for everyone. After all, everyone has different skin and hair types. But, to put blame on co-washing in general is short-sighted and trying to cast blame on victims instead of holding the company responsible. If 30K people (and rising) are all having the same or similar hair and scalp issues, that’s not just drinking the kool-aid, it’s a product issue.
Unfortunately this video feels like you didn’t follow too much of what people were having issues with. 1. People using DevaCurl for 10 years with no issues and and with in the past 2-4 years are now having hair loss, scalp reactions and change to their curl pattern. If they didn’t have a problem before, why are they having problems now? 2. People that only use the styling products and cleanse their hair regularly are STARTING to have these problems These are my questions about the DevaCurl Debacle and what worries me. I agree with co washing possibly causing scalp issues, but What about co-washing would cause breakage, frizziness and loosening on the curl pattern?
What happens is the product you are co-washing with builds up on the hair and doesn't allow the hair to actually absorb moisture. Moisture loss causes the hair to be brittle, brittle hair is going to cause the hair to break. This also causes the scalp to have build up so it never get air or moisture properly either.
I understand that and agree that may result in scalp scalp issues and damage the hair with some people. What’s not adding up for me is that the majority of severe issues started happening within the past few years. Whether the person has been using Deva Curl for 10 years or a couple months, most of the cases started noticing damage with in the past few years. To me, that’s seems like a recent change being made that is causing problems.
@@heidicasey6966 buildup sucks, but it doesn't cause the permanent changes in curl pattern that are being reported. 🤔 Malesezia sucks and itches, but it doesn't cause DHT related hair fall.
@@heidicasey6966 This is definitely true, but again, this does not explain why people (myself included) are experiencing issues with ONLY the styling products, and those who don't co-wash. And even girls who only co-wash, they know to clarify whenever needed. DevaCurl also sells Buildup Buster, meant to clarify.
Heidi Casey I don’t use their co-wash. I actually shampoo my hair with Head and Shoulders! And I’M experiencing hair loss, brittle ends, loss in curl pattern, and thinning crown line. The two DevaCurl products that I used religiously were their deep conditioner and their leave-in conditioner. So how do you explain that?
Who said curly haired women & men don’t use shampoo? Its less shampoo. Hair is not shampooed daily, but every 3-5 days, depending on the persons routine, to remove buildup. A cleansing shampoo & no sulfate shampoos are used interchangeably.
I follow an account where the girl removed shampoo completely out of her routine. She does co wash only, both on her and her children. I don't personally do it, but still...
PatriciaXOMakeup there’s definitely a growing co-wash community that has either cut shampoo out completely or only uses shampoo every few weeks or months (or even as needed depending on style). I personally prefer to use a shampoo every7-10 days because of the amount of product in my hair though. But I agree! Most of us tend to use less shampoo.
Shelby Ferguson I’m confused with this co wash concept. I grew up, we washed our hair once a week. Used old fashioned hair grease. Do same today. Does it style, no but my head is clean and my routine simple. My mom told me, black people don’t need to wash their hair more than that. Decades later, I’m sticking to it.
Actually if you have dandruff or any scalp issue you still got to wash your scalp with shampoo. I have type 4 curly hair and if I used only conditioner my scalp would be inflamed. I wash my scalp with head and shoulders to prevent my dandruff every 1-2 weeks.
Happy Sloth no one said they never use shampoo. The issue is people who used ANY deva product (not only their no poo shampoo, which btw doesn’t mean they only used that) experienced hair damage
I love Dr Dray but she is so out of depth on this video. She shows she knows nothing about the natural hair community and tries to imply that it’s simply because of no shampooing when literally everyone shampoos their hair. Whether it’s once a week, a fortnight or monthly. This has not been caused by lack of shampooing. Definitely not burns and curls becoming looser. Formulation has definitely changed, same thing happened to shea moisture, a lot of their products now feel “watered down.”
hollabackbby stop making this an us black people’s problem, this is not our fight ma’am. Deva curl has always primarily catered to white people’s curls- lord knows why kinky curly girls would ever go near that ish
enchantyy M I understand that. But I still believe that I should fight for consumer rights. A product should not alter your hair that much. Companies have a right to be transparent to customers. And Deva Curls response has been lacklustre to say the least and I don’t want that to be a standard for other companies. We trust them with our hair and they have a duty to not fuck that up at least.
I'm just a little confused. If her synopsis is correct. Why are we just now hearing about this? Devacurl has been on the market for a 6 or 7 years at this point? I do know that. There was a similar lawsuit with Wen products a few years Back, I'm not sure what happened with that. I just find it really strange that. Over 4,000 people out of nowhere all having the same symptoms. It can't just be because the Hair care products they're using do not have humectants in them. But who knows? I'm no doctor.
A little disappointed in this video, not going to lie. It’s not people following the crowd or whatnot. It’s the ACTUAL product. And not just the “no-poo” method of it. I NEVER co-wash, always wash my hair with a shampoo and I clarify once a month. But I used DevaCurl’s conditioner and styling products. So there is no way my hair is falling out, my scalp is itching, and my hair looks dry and frizzy because I “co-wash”. I never had issues when I used their products in 2017. All of the sudden, I’m pulling strands and strands of hair out while combing with my fingers. I use something else for a month and all the shedding decreases. I go back to DevaCurl and we’re back to square one. Intense hair loss. And how come my scalp itched insanely bad AFTER I had just clarified my scalp and then applied the products? And it even itches now as I type this, knowing I have DevaCurl in my hair? Thankfully tomorrow is wash day and I ordered a whole new batch of different products from a different brand to hopefully get my normal hair health back. Dr. Dray, I usually look forward to your videos and definitely looked forward to this one, and I understand why you would only look at it from one perspective as a medical professional, but I wish you had researched just a tiny bit deeper. To see that there have been people using it for years without issue and it suddenly stopped working for them. To see that some people DO wash normally, and just use the products, and still experience issues. To see that DevaCurl went under new ownership. Those are the possibilities I want to hear about. Not what damage co-washing can do when it seems to not have been an issue to some people anyway.
IAmNotNicole this is my exact situation also I never co washed, clarify and don’t apply products directly to the scalp but yet my curls turned dry itchy scalp and hair loss
The problems a lot of women report are probably in part be due to the products and DC maybe having changed the formulation but most of the women I know and read about in CGM groups who follow the CGM take the whole no poo part way too seriously or don't do enough to clean their scalp which in the longterm could definitely cause a lot of the complaints. It would probably occur with other products as well and not just the DC ones, so switching out products would probably only help temporarily at best. So I think she made a good point adressing this as an overall issue and not just a DC issue.
IAmNotNicole thank you for your comments. I have wavy hair so have only used the styling curl creams, not cleansers or conditioners. My hair has been so frizzy looking since I started using these products and is matted and breaking with every little brush. Plus, I’ve been wondering why my scalp has been itching like crazy. Didn’t connect the products to it, but this only started with Devacurl use.
I second this comment , also for those saying she has a point in general, yes she does, but this was a video that was supposed to be looking into the Deva curl issue in particular, not the no-poo method in general.
So here's the problem: you have people who have been using these products 5-7 years not having any problems until the last 18 months, give or take, people who have just started using the products having problems from the first few uses, and people using other wash products and washing with shampoo once a week but using stylers and still having these problems. It's not the cgm method, it's the products.
I wish someone would explain why some people like me who have been using their products for over 5yrs has no issues does this mean it’s only a matter of time? I feel so confused I’ve never had any issues with their products and my curls look better then they ever have..
Seriously. I like how she attacked the curly girl method which has been a method people have been using for DECADES. She knows nothing about it, so why speak on it and ridicule people for something they know more about and have been doing for years??? That’s totally dismissing their experience
I don't think this video is well informed. Many women went to the Dr and did not have health issue. Many women were only using the styling products. Their curl pattern changed! There is not a lawsuit yet.
Agreed! One quick search on the internet and you can find complaints from YEARS ago. Tons of forums with people having the same issues. One product is no poo so it’s ridiculous to assume everyone is having issues just from that.
I did not co-wash. I used shampoo and then Deva Curl conditioner and stylers. I have hair loss, dryness, and loss of curl pattern. ALL AS A RESULT OF DEVA CURL.
@Stacy Falcone Most likely they are adding an ingredient that is not listed or hidden under the term “fragrance perfume.” Much like how Mario Badescu was hiding steroids under fragrance.
@@jennbrandon8182 I respect your opinion, but I know exactly what I've used and when the problems began. Blood work all good. I said it was these products months before all of this came out. I even commented on another TH-cam's video before Curl Ninja. It was the only change made. Oh, and I don't have scalp issues like some. My problem is all in my hair itself. My scalp is fine. No redness, no itching, no sores, no buildup. Just hair falling out. It's really weird.
Cowashing has nothing to do with this. Their fingernails are deteriorating, hair is appearing bleached when it's not. And a lot of the users used sulfates and shampoo. Some only used the styling products. These people are having no choice but to shave their head. Few yes has balding and breakage but the majority it's the less of the concern.
@@ladiedebbie5310 I stopped using the shampoo/conditioner over a year ago. But was still religiously using the Deva styling products. I have hair loss, complete loss of my curl pattern, dryness, matting, ect. Deva should be held responsible for the damage they've caused.
This exactly. Because they do sell a clarifying step. Some poeple have been using these products since day one and never had any reactions. I'm thinking either an ingredient spoiled or they are using cheaper chemicals to make the products.
A lot of people have a hunch it's a chemical reaction to the plastic of the bottles like with shipping heat/weather. Bc its random. Effects some and not others. Also they changed their packaging when some started having issues. But who knows. Glad they have a lawsuit though.
It’s not just hair loss. It’s hair damage as well. There’s something wrong with these products. I was using a regular shampoo along with DevaCurl products and still had major scalp issues and my hair became damaged.
rolliepollie same. I go to the gym everyday, so I needed to wash my hair daily, but regular shampoo made my ends too dry. I shampooed regularly with a sulfate shampoo twice a week and nopooed the rest of the days, also always used to the one condition every time I shampooed. I used that and the wave maker, because I have very fine hair, and the curl cream was too heavy. In the beginning it did wonders for my hair! But over the last year, it turned my curls to frizzy, fried, waves. Completely wrecked my curl pattern. I cut off the damage and started using the not ur mothers curl line, and my hair is finally starting to look like my hair again
No. There was a change in the formula, myself and others have been using these products for YEARS and didn't experience damage until very recently. And I do NOT follow the curly girl method, I ONLY used the styling cream and no other devacurl products. I also use a regular shampoo twice per week!
She wouldn't reply to this or accept that it's the product n not the users.. She just wants to get on the bandwagon as a dermatologist n make cash this. Has never used deva curl or cowashing but has an opinion about it
Yeah i was getting more and more upset. People have been using it for years and NOW?? SUDDENLY, there is a problem. This sounds a lot like victim blaming. Something went wrong and this chick going "oh, none of y'all was washing your hair right" was pissing me off
I feel like you didn't research the issues people were having at all. I've lost a lot of respect and will probably start second guessing your content more than I do.
I just want to append that I am a DevaCurl certified curl master stylist and if anyone has any questions and wants REAL solutions not from someone who doesnt know what shes talking about, slide into my dms.
Gotta tell you doc I respect your opinion tremendously BUT you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one. There are thousands of DC users who until the last couple of years were happy/satisfied as can be with their results. Your hair is NOT textured and you could probably use dish soap in a pinch and it would come out ok. Give us “curly folks” credit for knowing on a personal level what is happening to our hair.
@ninoskae thank you, bravo, you said everything I was going to state... Another issue I am having with this video is that it is NOT mindful or knowledgeable in any way of POC hair types. Many of us have been co-washing for eons without issue before DC even existed. This vid sounds as if we aren't washing our hair a couple times per week. Pretty invalidating all around.
Halo2glitchlover22 it’s invalidating on more levels than I can dive into or unpack in this space for sure... this is really multi layered in that her response goes beyond and into a throwback around an “unclean” narrative which is extremely triggering for folx of color. That said, I’m hopeful she reads these responses and learns or takes in with humility as opposed to viewing this as criticism. There’s a lot to unpack around the invalidation of these experiences so many DC are having/going through right now.
For me, I wouldn’t say it’s “no shampoo” it’s more “less shampoo.” As a curly girl, I just wash my hair less, about once every 5 days. But never using shampoo just seems gross to me...
"no poo" vs "low poo" are more or less the same thing...their low poo produt still uses cocamidopropyl betaine and zero surfactant for cleansing, even at a "low level" ....the "low" vs "no" is just marketing to sell you another version of the same thing here
@C. J that's rude. Many people have been horrible effected only ever used the gel. Product should not hurt someone. If it really comes down to user error ( I do not belive this used DC my self for 2 years before it extremely hurt me and my clients. ) than DC should not be sold with out an appointment with a trainer profesional
I'm actually not affected by this, but thanks for your assumption, appreciate it. You are also assuming that everyone doesn't know the proper techniques and while I do think there is likely small percent that may have made mistakes, most curly/wavy hair people do put a lot of effort into making sure proper steps are taken for the care of the hair. As someone who has been taking care of their curly hair for a year, I have participated in the community discussion about products, techniques etc in many outlets. May want to take part before generalizing the entire community and assuming its purely user-problem only.
But lots of people, including myself, had these symptoms after using other devacurl styling products and not the cleansers. This video is pretty dismissive. Unfollowing.
I recommend Kenna’s video on this topic. I saw someone comment that this video was insensitive and misinformed. I don’t like Dr. Dray so I didn’t watch it before but I actually came to watch it to see why they thought that, and I agree. I’m so sorry that you, and other people have been going through this. I feel for you and I wish I could do something to help. PS if you need better skincare TH-cam to watch, checkout Skincare by Hyram and James Welsh.
But Dr. some women reported burning sensation when using the products and loss of curl pattern and fried hair. This can’t be all a yeast or just build up.
I think dr. said parfum or products left on the skin for too long cause iritation aka burning sensation. I remember she mentioned hair breaking because of build up and if hair breaks is not like a clean cut and will result in splited ends in some time and this is I think fried hair. And I guess build up on the hair means hair becoming heavier and resulting in curls becoming looser. This is just what I understood is not like I believe I said the absolute truth :)
I feel like it’s a little condescending to imply that these people did not consider using a clarifying shampoo at any point and that their scalps are just dirty, like. Curly ladies are the ones that taught me about buildup and clarifying in the first place so idk.
true but remember those clarifying shampoos are sulphate free which means sulphate is replaced by other surfactants that lather up and dr. dray mentioned that they are not as effective at removing built-up product and dirt as sulphate. in my opinion in general, the cgm is very damaging to the hair and this is coming from someone with natural curly hair.
Dr Dray, what do you say to the people who were clarifying their hair on a regular basis while using DC products and experienced severe hair loss? Most curly haired women know to clarify their hair, especially if they use the more gentle shampoos. I was one of them!
Anna Burns a co-wash is also like a conditioner that cleanses and moisturizes it’s like putting a little shampoo in your conditioner you can technically make your own
susanne anique yeah I was just saying that her saying using the co-wash is the problem is completely wrong because I have wavy hair so I usually only use a co-wash weekly and shampoo two times a week but her saying that there are no sulfates doesn’t make sense because shampoo without sulfates works just as good and there usually isn’t build up like she is talking about because most curly girl products are water soluble and don’t require sulfates as long as there is no silicones
@@peytonblanchard4955 that's not quite true I'm afraid. I do CG myself and clarify once a month with kinky curly come clean and as often as needed with a harsher sulfate shampoo , that's usually twice a year. Regular shea moisture shampoos I use every 3 to 5 days but those are not giving me a deep clarifying cleanse. I do find the problem still to be partly DC related and also their responsibility to admit that build up buster is not enough for a deep cleanse as it only uses micellar water. Build up happens with slapping product after product on, with hard water - you don't need nor should use harsh sulfates daily or weekly but by no means skip them all together. The skin is an organ and it has different needs depending on the weather/season as does your facial skin. Products should constantly be adapted. It is possible that deva curl products got contaminated but I also find it true that a lot of people use CG like a cult rather than as inspiration, not fully understanding the importance of a regular deep clarifying and what ingredients give this and which do not.
Seems like several of the people with issues have used deva curl for years but only had problems in the last few months. So I guess I’m confused. They’ve not been using shampoo for years but just now having problems.
I haven't used their shampoo/conditioner in over a year. I have hair loss, loss of curl pattern, dryness, matting, ect. There is something wrong with Deva.
Kirsty Birsty right. Just the video mentioned that never using shampoo is bad but the folks I’ve heard from having problems with deva haven’t been using shampoo for years before and only had issues more recently. To me that implies it’s not the no shampoo causing problems.
What about all of us who have used only the styling products and have suffered chemical damage to our hair structure? I understand the concerns with cowashing and have always used a clarifying shampoo to avoid build up. But yet I have lost most of my curl and my hair is damaged without any reason. Also, I know you usually breakdown ingredients and you mentioned there’s no concern with their ingredients. What about the urea ingredient people are questioning now? And the theories of it being a formaldehyde releasing ingredient and is possibly causing these issues due to improper storage and transportation before reaching consumers? Or even better, the awful cheap plastic used for the packaging? Is it possible something from that is leaching into products causing these issues? I’ve even read instances where someone stored other products that never gave them issues in the Devacurl bottles and had the same issues. Could it be less the actual formula and more the packaging? I personally know the bottles are cheap and awful just from my own experience with the products. My bottle of gel literally dried up and split down the side causing the product to be unusable. There are just so many variables that the company is side stepping and no one can offer sound answers for any of it. So many of us have used these products for a long period of time and they have just recently been causing these issues so something has to have changed. Something isn’t right and it’s not just a co-washing problem.
So, it doesn't seem like you watched past the first 5 minutes of the video, because she goes into alot more detail than that For instance, one concept she talks about is that not removing the yeast from your hair can cause redness, inflamation, and can cause your hair to fall out. Is this what you were referencing by your anomalous concept of "chemical-like damage"? Because that sounds like it to me Chemical-like damage doesn't mean anything. What is the difference between blisters caused by a chemical burn, or blisters caused by a burn by heat? You can't point to a type of damage and say it's clearly chemical; what if it's an allergy to something in the product, or a reaction to literally anything else (both of which, she points out are possibilities in her video)?
@@Caffeine_Addict_2020 chemical-like damage as in bleaching or relaxing the hair. Scalp issues are a completly different thing. Loosing hair texture, weakening of the strands (porosity) and even change in hair color. That's what she missed.
@@jaik923 Ok, this is a new claim that I was unfamiliar with. My fear, and I believe most people's, is the hair-loss which is super dramatic and I, personally, think she did a good job of explaining. I gotcha tho
I really think you missed the mark on this one. If cowashing were the only issue it wouldn't be just Devacurl. Many of these people never even used the shampoo(nopoo) and only used the styling products. There seems to be some talk about how the product may have been improperly stored. That seems to be the most reasonable explanation to me because I bought some Devacurl conditioner about a month ago and noticed it smelled wrong almost like cleaning product.
The issue is u dont use any products to have peh balance, if hair gets "overmoist" in time it gets what all this girls does. I wish u had more influensers who speak english and get the knowledge Polish cg do
Most if not all curly girls I've seen do clarify their hair. It's a well known thing to do. Some people recommend once a week and product build up is well known in the curly community. Many different ways to clarify that people recommend so I don't think build up is a major contributor to problems. I think that statement doesn't fit with the whole curly girl method.
The physical, emotional and financial burden that these products have caused many curly hair ladies is truly no small matter. I had to go see my doctor, have blood work done and deal with the depressing effect of seeing chunks of hair falling out, extremely itchy and burning scalp. These symptoms began after Ihad been using Devacurl products for awhile and started to subside after completely stopping use of the product.
Did you saw a dermatologist ? Dermatitis has nothing to do with blood work, that is why I ask since a lot of people talk about their blood work and I don't see the point.
Julz Alta blood work would likely have been ordered by an MD related to the hair loss to check for deficiencies which can affect hair, skin, bone health - that is my own experience (unrelated to the DC controversy).
Tara B Yes but since a very very common cause of hair loss is dermatitis. Just doing the blood work and not sending the patient to a dermatologist to check the scalp is quite unprofessional.
@@Enne- So I'm pasting what I already respond, since people seems to not understand : "Yes but since a very very common cause of hair loss is dermatitis. Just doing the blood work and not sending the patient to a dermatologist to check the scalp is quite unprofessional."
girl just ignored the actual problem and damage that ppl get and saying that is just the way ppl co-wash their hair, wtf did she even try to contact someone to be actually informed instead of sayin shit
You clearly didn’t do enough research, and as I continue to watch this video, it’s making me angrier and angrier. “Not shampooing your hair” well maybe you should look at the black community too.. we don’t wash our hair as often as white people because our oils don’t build up like yours.. the curly community def does “wash their hair”..
You’re ignoring the thousands (THOUSANDS) of people who washed their hair with sulfates at least once a week and STILL had irritation, hair loss, and curl relaxing after using devacurl, and had never had these issues with any other product.
Low quality research and information. Why would build up of products that you otherwise tolerate lead to contact dermatitis? I have curly hair, I absolutely will not use surfactants because I can guarantee it degrade the quality and health of my hair. Does this woman look like she has great hair? No she does not, I would not take her advice. Hair build up DOES NOT CAUSE HAIR LOSS. I am a pharmacist and this doctor is overly simplistic, discounts individuals experience, and sensationalizes the anti-holistic anti-green perspective. She is rather chauvinistic in pushing her poorly researched but apparently “scientific” perspective. I would never go to this doctor.
You have absolutely no knowledge of curly hair or curly hair products. The curly hair journey that so many of us go through is very difficult. Getting a big chop, DIY masks for growth, spending tons of money finding products that work for you, dealing with white people who ask if your hair is real, etc. very distasteful video. This is not your place.
That’s what bothers me so much about this video. It’s like women of color specifically struggle with their hair. Onision did a 3 part video series telling black women how horrible their hair is and how they need to wash it more. His videos were full of misinformation and they were racist. And now a medical professional is putting this video up, basically saying the same thing. It’s like she’s giving them more fuel to talk badly about people of color and their hair. And it’s all misinformation.
Oh c'mon she's a certified dermatologist who graduated with honors and produced scientific literature, she's just looking at things from a neutral and scientific approach.
@@charles1413 The vast majority of us used DC for years without problems, and have only experienced symptoms in the last 6-12 months. We're also a group of people who have devoted countless hours to researching and testing products and techniques, as no one has an easy or uncomplicated curly hair journey. This woman is saying we don't know enough to wash our scalps.
@@ashleycodd5826 She DID not say that, she said that's what most of her patients were doing. My gosh people, y'all are angry to the wrong person, she gave her professional opinion because her viewers wanted it, she's not Deva curl CEO for fuck sake.
She is telling you that the curly girl method and all this no poo or low poo trends (co-wash, wash and go, two-in-one) is bullshit. How is that benefiting to devacurl exactly ?
@@julzalta6466 Because it minimizes what the issue actually is. Focusing on co-washing, is counterproductive at best. People who have been using products for the past 5 years have all of a sudden had issues. People who only use styling products, using other shampoos and conditioners, have seen the same issues. Focusing on dandruff, but ignoring people who have had migraines, loss of their curl pattern, etc. simply doesn’t look good. Kinda patronizing imo
This has me fuming. It sounds like she didn't even research the actual DevaCurl scandal - yes, curly girls know we have to clarify, but people who have used DC for years are suddenly seeing intense, CHEMICAL damage to their hair and scalp, even if they just used the stylers!! I was solely using the DC frizz free volumizing foam for a while and I was shedding hair like crazy and my hair is still wiry from it. My hair isn't damaged nearly as bad as some people, but I still feel and see the effects months later. Seriously Dr. Dray, do your research before you start victim shaming.
Me too... Just more gas lighting from someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.... Once again. I joined Stephanie Meros Facebook group when there was less than 200 members now it is over 46,000 members that have suffered from this. But I guess none of us know wtf we are talking about. Smh.
Many people used these products exclusively for years and didn’t have any problems, until more recently. Which coincides with the timeframe in which the company was sold. Obviously it is important to get rid of build up, please look into the specifics of this case before drawing conclusions. This product is dangerous many people are hurting and Deva Curl has done nothing. Personally, I used the suave clarifying shampoo along with a DevaCurl deep conditioner and two DevaCurl styling products and i can say the problem is DevaCurl not the consumer.
The you tuber Ayesha used for years and had gorgeous curls. She recently posted a video stating she had to stopped using Deva Curl and showed her damaged hair. Logically it seems there might have been a change in the formulation.
Yes dr dray 1000s of people who are mostly adult consumers have suddenly stopped washing their hair correctly and clarifying their hair despite managing just fine for the past 18+ years.
Doctors like you terrify me. What you’re saying & the way you’re saying it sounds like facts - but in reality you have no idea what you’re talking about. So scary it gives me chills.
She has a fair idea of what she's talking about; most MD PhDs are in favour of evidence-based medicine and make an effort to be informed on what they're talking about. I don't think you're scientifically literate enough to make a judgment of that. But, I will say that this video is tone-deaf and does not fully explore the full gamut of Devacurl issues; people are using any combination of products, and Dr Dray limiting the discussion to only people who are not using (enough) surfactants is a mistake. This video is pretty useless for the majority of people who are suffering from using Devacurl products. I feel for you, Ayesha, and I hope things get better sooner rather than later. But I think your comment is misdirected fear.
I’ve experienced hair loss and damaged hair from Deva Curl and the only product I used from them was their gel so this is much wider than just their shampoo and conditioner. My curly hair is no longer curly but dry, wavy and damaged.
She also mentioned that buildup on the hair shaft could lead to breakage. That would be where the styling products come in...they could be causing more build up than a sulfate free shampoo can remove. Either that or there could be some kind of manufacturing/storage contaminate that’s also at play.
SaBr 417 I understand that but people are not just reporting hair breakage.....people have mentioned bald spots, myself included and I use normal shampoo and conditioners. The theory that maybe the packing is the problem may well be a valid claim.
SheezyP I think it’s a mixture of both. Some people are experiencing scalp issues because of a lack of cleansing (a lot of the symptoms I’ve seen on the Facebook group sounds like Seb derm) and others might be experiencing issues because the formulas of the products were tweaked and/or contamination. I don’t think there’s one sure cause, but maybe a few things combined.
Something else could be going on beyond no poo. I know girls who did no poo with other products that were not Deva curl ( myself included). The experience is one of dullness and build up, but not a change in curl pattern or tightness. I am inclined to believe that Deva curl reformulated or chose cheaper ingredient sources or the products got contaminated somehow. Perhaps after the lawsuit, truth will out.
@@sabr4174 The preservative they use to replace parabens breaks down into Formaldehyde if it gets too hot. One of my friends told me she stopped using it after a heat wave in NYC. Her products took on the odor of rat poison.
Dr. Dray, I religiously watch and love your videos and take your advice seriously. But I think you missed the mark a bit on this one. The curly hair community is very much aware about the importance of removing build up regularly and how neglecting to do so can cause hair loss. The problem with the Deva Curl scandal is that there are people who have been using these products for years without an issue but are only NOW having problems. No change in routine. To me, SOMETHING in their recent batches changed. I have used their products on and off for a decade and only recently had unbearable scalp irritation after using a new jar of deep conditioner that I have loved for years (after i freshly shampooed my hair- so no “no poo” issues with me). My hair looked fried and my curl pattern is still recovering. What many of us fear is that DevaCurl has been neglecting properly quality testing their products or simply don’t want to recall anything potentially damaging that could’ve made it to the shelves.
I only used the Devacurl gels, hairspray and styling creams and got migraines after I would use the diffuser. And I would itch like crazy. I use only clarifying shampoos. I didn't strictly use Devacurl stylers and these things would only happen when I did. So I must disagree with your theory.
I expected better scientific thinking from you dude. Why would everyone who was using Devacurl suddenly develop the same side effects around the same time? The curly girl method has been going since the 90s with much success. You lack some serious logic here.
Okay first of all you have no idea what you're talking about I am a curly girl unlike you. Ive been using devacurl products for years so does my mother and it has done wonders for our hair. Shampoos(sulfate products) causes our hair to dry out, because it strip the hair breaking and also causing dry itchy scalp. If you don't scrub your scalp properly with "shampoo" ma'am you're still gonna have build up on the scalp.
Exactly .. i was laughing when she said "I think, thats my guess, I would bet on" and the most "I could be wrong but thats what I think".. also vinegar she is acting like we are pouring it straight from the bottle. There is a massive ratio vinegar/water...
It's important to note the origins of co-poo. It came from the Black hair movement in which Black women were embracing their natural textures and openly sharing techniques within the hair community. Many of these first participants naturally had textured, 4C hair (a very tight curl pattern, you can search "4C" in a search engine). This is important because the means of taking care of this type of hair IS VERY DIFFERENT than for those with other types of curly hair. One example is that oil must be added to the hair for health as opposed to many people wash their hair when it's oily. This means co-pooing (with intermittent shampooing) is actually very beneficial to this type of hair. But one can't assume that the same benefits would translate to other textures. Understanding the origins of the natural hair movement and who it was actually for will help people to more appropriately discern what techniques and products are actually the best for their hair.
Step 4head no, no no, this started and still is primarily marketed to wavy and curly textures, look at the old AND current marketing;coily textures and texture found more in black women tend to be less porous so washing with shampoo to remove product to allow moisture in is thr default; co washing was introduced by Massey and Wen and Mixxed Chix and marketed to mixed and wavy textures
@@TyraHigh I have had 3B curls all my 40 years... I have been using non-lathering products for at least 15 years. And growing up I would wash with only conditioner and leave it in, as it was the only thing back then I could find that would keep me curls coiled and hydrated. What I am saying is Dr. Dray doesn't sound like she truly understands how dry curly hair can get and how thick emollient products may not behave the same for some hair types. As a person that avoids most lather like the plague and uses additional creams and leaves in in addition to no-poo cleanser and deva conditioners, my scalp is never greasy, and as long as I wash with teh no-poo at least every other day, my hair is never oily- Many curly hair types thrive with extra emollients. My hair is way to fluffy to go without.
Yeah. The technique to taking care of 4C hair differs, yet washing hair with shampoo on a regular basis is STILL necessary. Cowashing can be helpful, but it’s not something that should be done without shampoo. That goes for ALL hair types.
This has nothing to do with cowashing🙄 this is the actual chemicals in the products, there has to be some sort of relaxer because my curl pattern deteriorated after using deva curl’s products. Also most curly girls do clarify their hair, we understand our hair and know how to take care of it. This felt extremely dismissive😕
With all do respect, "PLEASE do "ALL" your research before a video"! I have read the comments below & this video sounds as if you are not "properly educated" as truly need to be, as seeing the whole picture & having the physically & mentally, co$tly & extremely pAiNfUl sTrEsS, outstanding issues is "NOT right", what if this was you, your child etc. having bReAkAgE, drier hair losing patches of your hair, we curly girls literally "work HARD" on our natural curly hair & honestly, we "ALL" deserve the proper Actions, "respect, answers, understanding & the 100% truth" & a hell of a lot more... Think of all the stress so many are in this scary whirlwind... I honestly believe that the new owners since Lorraine Massey of DevaCurl companies needs to investigate all needed options & do what's right for far to many...
Actually I would love to see a video on good drugstore shampoo. I always feel lost on what is a good shampoo to buy that wont irritate my scalp but will be good for my hair.
Peace Lilies Ugh, a lot of beauty gurus & influencers advise people to use Monat. I am skeptical being that they get a commission for each sale they make.
Disappointing. As someone who follows the Curly Girl Method, we are really aware of our hair and hair products. Not all of us are cowashing, I certainly don't, and the women who have used Deva Curl have legitimate issues. I had a salon use Deva Curl on me a couple of times (I don't personally use it) and my scalp would start to get irritated shortly after coming home. I'd have to wash my hair right away. It's obviously the product. You really need to learn more about the Curly Girl Method before releasing a video like this because assuming we all just cowash is a lazy attempt at trying to understand it.
If your going to make a video about such a major topic you should do more research on the matter first. Not everyone using their products is cowashing. There is now a lawsuit in pursuit and hopefully testing will be done on the used products of the people with severe health issues plus hair loss caused because of these products.
So you either have no idea of how the victims have been affected, or you are gaslighting them. I used the low poo line (which uses a sulfate-free shampoo) and some of the wavy stylers. I clarified every two weeks. My hair and scalp were healthy before using DevaCurl. The products made my scalp extremely inflamed and itchy. My scalp broke out in sores and scabs. I lost 25% of my hair and my wave pattern was destroyed. Also to clarify: I do not use heat on my hair. It is air dried. So, what is your theory about my situation? I did not co-wash or use no-poo and my hair was so damaged I had to cut it into a pixie cut. I suspect you just don't care because you have only addressed those who agree with your assessment.
It really seems like you missed the point this time. Curly girls use shampoo and clarify their hair when needed or regularly. And they are definitely unique to deva curl, coming from someone who used these products and had issues.
This video is dismissive to those who have curly and thicker hair who have actually used the product. I think you took a trendy topic and without much research just decided to do a video on it for views. I subscribed for a long time, but I’m not unsubscribing. I really think you shouldn’t have spoke about this issue if you didn’t have anything actually educational to say about what real people are suffering from.
Hannah Sweets 🙋♀️ me. I used the very expensive Deva clarifying shampoo once a month. And I NEVER co washed. This video is pointless and obviously poorly researched.
This exact thing happened to Ayesha Malik! She was using low poo with the clarifying shampoo regularly together with the styling products and look what happened to her. It's such a fucked up thing to reduce thousands of people's pain to 'yeah you didn't wash you hair correctly :///' Ayesha had THE best curls in the business, it looked almost unreal how gorgeous it was, nobody deserves this type of dismissive bullshit.
Even if your argument covered all the bases of the accusations against DevaCurl (it doesn't) and was the root of the problem (it probably isn't because these issues have only shown up within the last year), DevaCurl would still be at fault because they are the ones that wrote the book advising curly haired people to co-wash. Blaming the consumer when this problem is tied to only the one brand doesn't make sense. This video is poorly researched, extremely misleading, and very condescending to people who have had their hair affected. The way you deflect any criticism of this video to a dermatologist that is not even discussing DevaCurl is cowardly. Don't use your expertise in dermatology to mislead viewers into thinking you are an expert on allegations you've clearly not done much research on.
The book is by Lorraine Massey, has no affiliation with deva curl, as she sold the company years ago, which then sold the company again. The current owners are twice removed from the book’s author. Still it may be that she bares some moral responsibility for the recommendation but no legal responsibility because you use the methods at your own risk since she is not a professional directly recommending to individual as clients/patients. Very very interesting point you make here.
I think there was a problem with quality control in the 2019 batches. I happily used my older bottles but my newer bottles almost instantly irritated my scalp and dried out my hair. I don’t cowash my hair either. I used the low poo and 3 styling products. I returned what I could and sadly trashed the rest.
Agreed. I have exclusively used Deva Curl for YEARS without issues (No Poo, One Conditioner, Styling cream and light defining gel), than about 9 months ago, my hair started breaking, my scalp itched like crazy and my face, back, and chest started breaking out like I was a teenager (I'm 38). Nothing in my routine for hair or body had changed. I stopped using Deva and within 2 weeks, all the breakouts cleared up. I am seeing a ton of new growth where my hair broke off as well.
Angie Crenshaw DevaCurls official statement essentially said they never changed the formula. But others are mentioning the plastic bottles changed and the new warehouse is non-climate controlled since the brand sold a year ago. Hopefully we get answers.
@@amandabrown1561 i'm SO relieved you saw results so quickly when you stopped using DC, I have baby hairs all over my head from months of breakage, I'm wondering if I should take vitamins to grow out my hair too? My scalp is still healing and the itchy feeling dwindling little by little each day.
From the moment devacurl came out, I've had issues with their products making my scalp itchy and irritated particularly because of that darn lemongrass they put in that is known to irritate skin. So I think devacurl wasn't a problem at first, but after sustained use they have finally caused issues. Something similar happened to me and a few Lush products. All was well for a few months and out of no where I had severe skin reactions from head-to-toe. Sometimes these types of sensitivity reactions happen right away, and sometimes they can take months (or even years) to manifest. It's why Dr. Dray and other dermatologists recommend no fragrance, etc. Sooner or later something will happen to your skin.
I never cowash. I used Lo poo and a deep conditioner once a week when I washed my hair. I also used the buildup buster every like 5-6 washes. My hair was going great. I bought new bottles around April when the company sold to Henkel and some of the ingredients had changed and I truly believe that is part of the hair loss for most of us. I experienced the most hair loss around my temples and back of my scalp. Not to mention, my curl pattern changed. I started losing curl density and my curls were being straightened out. I’m 6 months Devacurl free and I’ve seen huge changes in my hair since I’ve stopped using Devacurl.
The build up buster has ingredients in it that (ironically) cause build up, and it includes oils. It was likely not enough to cut through both oil and styling product, and neither is ACV (though it is great at removing oil). Edit: the Hydroxypropyl Guar Hydroxyproplytrimonium Chloride and polyquats are known to buildup on hair.
Why would you say something. Edit: been a day since i seen this and im still pissed so im going to just say: full offense, but curly haired people, especially black people KNOW to clarify their hair. we do on a regular basis. "your hair's just dirty" is a racist statement we have to hear consistently, and whether you know that or you don't its still a shitty thing to say.
Although I find your videos educational, I have to disagree with this. I would use briogeo in between using deva curl, and I still have all of these issues that a lot of other people have. I don't believe that it's the ingredients itself, but possibly bad batches or some kind of chemical reaction within the product.
To continue I've always been interested in your content and have followed lots of your advice in the past, but I'm definitely going to be avoiding your videos now. This is just irresponsible.
I have really respected your opinions. But, this video is very disappointing. It really makes me wonder how often you may be speaking on certain things without a full understanding. This video really show cased your lack knowledge/understanding/experience (or however you want word it)of curly/textured hair. I’m curious as why you even did this video. I really hope this wasn’t simply for the views and one more opportunity to get people to click on your affiliate links.
Nicole Jackson She’s an idiot! She should have sat this one out. She made this video for views! She could care less about women with curly hair or their issues!
Of course! After years and years of people using devacurl and "not cleansing their scalp properly", the damage coincidentally started showing up in these last few months at the same time for everyone. How could we have been so blind, she clearly knows what she is talking about and it's the victims' fault, not the brand's, the lawsuit is off! Honestly, do you even hear what you're saying?
The thing is that thousands of women who havent used the no-poo method have also experienced all the same symptoms as women who have. People who just used the styling products experienced hair loss & breakage & bald spots & chemical damage. This was all well and good but didnt rly address the whole of the devacurl issue; lots of cgm ppl shampoo, they just use sulfate free shampoo and probably use it once or twice a week. Then follow w devacurl conditioner + styling products.
there could also possibly be some issue with the concentrations of ingredients used, rather than the ingredients on their own, which is not something they disclose, so hard to comment on
@@DrDrayzday I think what concerns a lot of us most is that the problems didnt start until after the company was bought. I think that was in 2018. They came out and said that they "didnt make any major changes to formula" which implies that they did make *some* changes... and then Lorraine, the woman who wrote the curly girl handbook and co-founded devacurl back in the day, suddenly left the company to start her own. Idk it just, is extremely fishy that right when the company was bought out, the formula changed, the OG curly girl left the company, and now peoples hair is falling out in handfuls... idk. It seems like more than just user error. There are currently 30,000 members in the fb group CurlNinja created for people who have suffered damage.
Someone's story I watched here on TH-cam has psoriasis and she was regularly properly cleansing her scalp. She only used one of the styling products from Deva and still experienced damage and loss of curl pattern and this was after the product seemed to work fine for her. I'd be curious to know thoughts about that. Also for myself, I have wavy/curly hair and I tried Deva and experienced burning and itching and I was clarifying pretty regularly. I also tried one of the products on my daughter and the little contact it made on my skin, turned it bright red and made it burn, so i stopped using it
This is why I find this analysis strange. I have done co-washing before and I know many people who did the same but without devacurl. Co washing causes buildup and dryness, but not burning and itching. I respect Dr Dray, but this particular case still needs to be investigated Ithink.
This is literally an issue within Deva curl. People only noticed a decline in results or damage in their hair and scalp more recently. So Deva must've messed up storage or something that has ruined the product itself. CGM isn't the issue, it's Deva.. even their styling products/hair masks caused these same issues. So their whole line has been hurting people.
For sure. I don’t think she got the fact that nobody had issues until as of recently. Someone pointed out that the previous owner had left DevaCurl and it now has a new owner. I personally feel like that has something to do with it. Also, I never “co-wash”. I actually shampoo every time I wash my hair. I take my time to shampoo and even use a shampoo brush sometimes. I clarify my scalp, too. My hair loss started when I was just using ONE single DevaCurl styling product. I started using more of their products recently and now my shedding is crazy. And it’s definitely not because I’m just letting everything build up. It’s DevaCurl. I went a month without using DevaCurl products (different conditioner and styling products) at some point and my hair did so much better. As soon as I started using DevaCurl again, the shedding increased by a TON. While I love Dr. Dray and was looking forward to hearing what she had to say, I’m a bit disappointed that she only looked at it from one perspective.
Burning and itching is an issue I have with my eyelids. My opthamologist said that burning and itching are signs of an allergic reaction, frequently fragrance, sometimes ingredients. Plain water and vaseline for my eyes. No more eye makeup. Sounds like a similar issue? But you can't do that with your hair.
susanne anique probably the fragrance. I get burning and itching from scented shampoos such as organix coconut shampoo/conditionner as well as kératase. I have seborrheic dermatitis so I just use head and shoulders. I have long shiny hair. No problems growing it out.
Here we go with another dr who thinks they know it all!!!! These people who experienced all these issue are not just making this stuff up!!!! Maybe some but definitely not all of them. I was taught by my parents to own up to my mistakes and DC should do the same!!!! At least pull the product from the shelves. DC dont care about yall issues they just care about the money!!!! Shame on u DC and u too doc!!
Just have a question. Why is she talking on a issue that she doesn't know about. Not everyone washes there hair every week or every day. I wash my hair every month. I co-wash my hair every two weeks. I have not had any problems with my hair. I really need her to do more research on natural hair and the curl community before giving advice to anyone. A lot of us have been doing this for years. If anyone used the DC products you know what happened to your hair personal and not anyone of us can judge because we were not there. I have reviewed many videos and I am hearing the same thing from a lot of people who used that product. I hope this issue gets solved and for the people that used DC thank you for letting people that have not used the product what happened to you. I don't care if you have been using it for years or just started using this product we need to know and I appreciate you.
You should honestly take this video down because it genuinely sounds like you didn’t even attempted to research the issue properly. People aren’t just experiencing a bit of scalp irritation and shedding. People have bald spots, chemical burns, pattern changes, new growth is damaged, headaches. I would hate to have you as a doctor. You seem very cold, dismissive, and lacking of knowledge. Yikes.
This video was spoken like a true non curly haired girl😂 Watch videos omg this and then try again. I normally love your videos but this isn’t cool. It’s victim blaming.
I have been on the "curly girl method" for a year or so. Like a lot of curlies, the Deva brand was my first attempt. I'm dying to see this video! Thank you for posting this!
Colleen Harding Have you tried the line, All About Curls by zotos? It's available at Sally's stores and works far better than DevaCurl and doesn't weigh down the hair. I have very dry, curly hair and have tried loads of "curly" hair lines. The zotos products so far has been the best I've used. Lots of volume and soft, curl definition. :)
me too, but i really didn't like devacurl, or its price. i use much less expensive conditioners and more expensive stylers, but still following the curly girl method.
You're not listening to what people are actually saying. My friend ONLY used their styling products and still had hair loss. She went to a dermatologist and had blood work done and everything came back normal. There is something wrong with the PRODUCTS. People are losing hair and having scalp issues after using this products for 10 years, and EVERYONE is having problems (short term users and long term users) at the SAME TIME. That's not a coincidence or people not knowing how to wash their hair.
No offense to your friend, but if your hair has been damaged for over a year yet you're using the same exact products, whether they are leave-in or not, there is something wrong with that picture regardless of the brand...like you're not even going to consider switching up your products after over a year of your hair being bad? It should be even easier to do when those products you're currently using are hella expensive! You have to expect no matter the brand or formula, that some things are just not going to work for you. Also, was your friend following curly girl? I still think implementing a good clarifying shampoo with moderate to even harsh(sulfates) surfactants in your regiment is a must, especially when you layer multiple products like many of us curly girls do; funny enough, deva curl encourages you to layer too. Funny, since they expect their customers to get all that shit out their hair with cowash and micellar water lol
She used the same products for 10 years with no issues until the last year. Why would she assume that something she had used for 10 years with no problems was suddenly the problem?
People have been using this product for YEARS, and the curly girl method for YEARS. Not to mention people are reporting scalp burns and curl loosening do actually use clarifying shampoos. Only in the past 1-2 years is when people started to have problems with the product. You’re not well researched and are making ignorant assumptions.
Nope, no poo and cowash are two different things. You are talking about cowash. Curlyhair used shampoo without sulfates. If this is the research that you do as a "professional"...
Has this lady done any research at all on the issue, the people who use these products (and how) or is she just hopping on the Devacurl issue to get views? She sounds like she's walking into this video completely blind! As a professional, you should do your research before chipping in on any subject.
As a doctor, I would have expected you to do better research. Women who used these products for more than 10 years NEVER had issues until RECENTLY. Something had to have happened RECENTLY in order for this to occur to many people. I heard about deva curl about 6 months ago. I used the products only TWICE and my scalp is flaky and I have acne on my scalp. My scalp itches SO much all the time. Other women have used these products longer than I have and I could only imagine the annoyance of having to scratch your head all day long. If you would have done some research, you would have caught this vital information.
If this were the case, not just Devacurl users would be affected. “Cowashing” products are not limited to just Devacurl’s brand, many natural haircare brands offer them. And “cowash” is not the same as just conditioner, most also have clarifying ingredients. Also, this explanation is invalidated by those who did use traditional shampoos but only used Devacurl’s styling products, and now have this inexplicable hair damage. Many curlies are extremely knowledgeable on hair care and do much more research on products and ingredients than straight-haired folks. It is not just as simple as “wash your hair”
This was such a disappointing video. Who told this doctor that the curly girl method was synonymous with never using shampoo? There is a big difference in reducing shampoo and literally never using it. It's a completely different haircsre method. I feel like this person is confusing deva curl, curly girl method, and no poo, and thinking they're all the same thing.
She has no clue as to the real method. It is not about using conditioner only. The no poo has a cleansing agent in it. And all the products were water soluble. When the company merged against Lorraine Massey’s will 6 years again, the new company found a new supplier for their ingredients and went cheap and who know what could’ve been in the ingredients from the new supplier. The company was bought again over 3 years ago. And again November 2019. There was nothing wrong with the original company. But yes, after the merger in November 2013 we noticed this change in fragrance, consistency, and buildup.
As I’m sure others have commented, the CG method is not about only co-washing. The recommendation is to cleanse your scalp once a week, maybe more depending on what types of products you use. Deva Curl recently changed their formula, I’m paraphrasing but they said, “We have made no major changes to the formula.” Which indicates that they have made minor changes. It is 100% not the consumers fault that a brand that has been recommended for decades is now destroying their hair. It seems you did not do enough research on the CG method and only approached the topic from one viewpoint and made generalizations for all people that are suffering from Deva Curls negligence. Some people weren’t even using the shampoo and conditioner, only styling products and they are still losing their hair.
There are lots of people who use Deva products and still use a sulfate shampoo once a month or so to remove build up. The curly girl method is not just about co-washing, it's also about avoiding all silicones. If you're not using cones you're not going to have to use an sls shampoo as often to remove build up. I co-wash with suave and have been for over a year and a half. I'm not experiencing any of these issues. It has nothing to do with co-washing, it's the Deva products themselves.
Yeah, no. I don't think you realize how many different products curly haired people try, lol. Especially when first starting the "curly girl method". If this was because of cowashing other products would cause this too. I do agree people need to clarify their scalps regularly, but these products are definitely causing these issues.
Gravincas Right? Curly girls are the MOST aware about the ingredients in their armada of hair products. What an uninformed and frankly patronizing video.
Dr. Dray is not doubting your experience, but co-washing for me is a no, no. It didn't matter what co-wash from whatever company I used it left my scalp itchy. That whole co-wash and no poo idea is so ridiculous. And I do have 4c hair.
Rachel Lawrence I completely agree. I feel the co wash method doesn’t work. I also have 4c type hair and I experimented this method for a month and I didn’t last for two weeks. My scalp was itching like crazy. If many curly hair girls want to continue this method, they need to at least clarify their hair and scalp monthly. I’m frankly annoyed that they are pointing the blame to Devacurls when most of them didn’t clean their scalp.
@@tjc2993 I can attest as a 3B curly girl, that co-washing does work - at least for me - and deva curl’s no-poo worked well for me since I started using them exclusively in 2014. This is in conjunction with a scalp cleanse every couple of weeks, so I knew my scalp was ultra clean. That changed in 2017 when I started noticing itchy scalp, dry and frizzing hair and tons of hair loss. Still, I continued using my same deva curl products and routine. Co-washing might not work for everyone. After all, everyone has different skin and hair types. But, to put blame on co-washing in general is short-sighted and trying to cast blame on victims instead of holding the company responsible. If 30K people (and rising) are all having the same or similar hair and scalp issues, that’s not just drinking the kool-aid, it’s a product issue.
That doesn't explain why people who use Devacurl and don't cowash are having their hair damaged and falling out.
Unfortunately this video feels like you didn’t follow too much of what people were having issues with.
1. People using DevaCurl for 10 years with no issues and and with in the past 2-4 years are now having hair loss, scalp reactions and change to their curl pattern. If they didn’t have a problem before, why are they having problems now?
2. People that only use the styling products and cleanse their hair regularly are STARTING to have these problems
These are my questions about the DevaCurl Debacle and what worries me.
I agree with co washing possibly causing scalp issues, but What about co-washing would cause breakage, frizziness and loosening on the curl pattern?
What happens is the product you are co-washing with builds up on the hair and doesn't allow the hair to actually absorb moisture. Moisture loss causes the hair to be brittle, brittle hair is going to cause the hair to break. This also causes the scalp to have build up so it never get air or moisture properly either.
I understand that and agree that may result in scalp scalp issues and damage the hair with some people. What’s not adding up for me is that the majority of severe issues started happening within the past few years. Whether the person has been using Deva Curl for 10 years or a couple months, most of the cases started noticing damage with in the past few years. To me, that’s seems like a recent change being made that is causing problems.
@@heidicasey6966 buildup sucks, but it doesn't cause the permanent changes in curl pattern that are being reported. 🤔
Malesezia sucks and itches, but it doesn't cause DHT related hair fall.
@@heidicasey6966 This is definitely true, but again, this does not explain why people (myself included) are experiencing issues with ONLY the styling products, and those who don't co-wash. And even girls who only co-wash, they know to clarify whenever needed. DevaCurl also sells Buildup Buster, meant to clarify.
Heidi Casey I don’t use their co-wash. I actually shampoo my hair with Head and Shoulders! And I’M experiencing hair loss, brittle ends, loss in curl pattern, and thinning crown line. The two DevaCurl products that I used religiously were their deep conditioner and their leave-in conditioner. So how do you explain that?
Who said curly haired women & men don’t use shampoo? Its less shampoo. Hair is not shampooed daily, but every 3-5 days, depending on the persons routine, to remove buildup. A cleansing shampoo & no sulfate shampoos are used interchangeably.
I follow an account where the girl removed shampoo completely out of her routine. She does co wash only, both on her and her children. I don't personally do it, but still...
Their are clarifying sulfate-free shampoos. You don't need to interchange anything if you only wash when you need to remove build-up.
PatriciaXOMakeup there’s definitely a growing co-wash community that has either cut shampoo out completely or only uses shampoo every few weeks or months (or even as needed depending on style). I personally prefer to use a shampoo every7-10 days because of the amount of product in my hair though. But I agree! Most of us tend to use less shampoo.
@@shelbyferguson4954 yea I shampoo once a month the week I use gel in my hair
Shelby Ferguson I’m confused with this co wash concept. I grew up, we washed our hair once a week. Used old fashioned hair grease. Do same today. Does it style, no but my head is clean and my routine simple. My mom told me, black people don’t need to wash their hair more than that. Decades later, I’m sticking to it.
This video smells of lack of basic research into the claims while relying solely on you job title. Honestly beyond disappointed.
K L agreed
This woman is so entitled I cant
Actually if you have dandruff or any scalp issue you still got to wash your scalp with shampoo. I have type 4 curly hair and if I used only conditioner my scalp would be inflamed. I wash my scalp with head and shoulders to prevent my dandruff every 1-2 weeks.
Happy Sloth no one said they never use shampoo. The issue is people who used ANY deva product (not only their no poo shampoo, which btw doesn’t mean they only used that) experienced hair damage
K L agree
I love Dr Dray but she is so out of depth on this video. She shows she knows nothing about the natural hair community and tries to imply that it’s simply because of no shampooing when literally everyone shampoos their hair. Whether it’s once a week, a fortnight or monthly. This has not been caused by lack of shampooing. Definitely not burns and curls becoming looser. Formulation has definitely changed, same thing happened to shea moisture, a lot of their products now feel “watered down.”
hollabackbby stop making this an us black people’s problem, this is not our fight ma’am. Deva curl has always primarily catered to white people’s curls- lord knows why kinky curly girls would ever go near that ish
hollabackbby why would you love this fake doctor? She’s a lunatic
enchantyy M I understand that. But I still believe that I should fight for consumer rights. A product should not alter your hair that much. Companies have a right to be transparent to customers. And Deva Curls response has been lacklustre to say the least and I don’t want that to be a standard for other companies. We trust them with our hair and they have a duty to not fuck that up at least.
I'm just a little confused. If her synopsis is correct. Why are we just now hearing about this? Devacurl has been on the market for a 6 or 7 years at this point? I do know that. There was a similar lawsuit with Wen products a few years Back, I'm not sure what happened with that. I just find it really strange that. Over 4,000 people out of nowhere all having the same symptoms. It can't just be because the Hair care products they're using do not have humectants in them. But who knows? I'm no doctor.
CMH I unfortunately can’t answer that either. That’s what I’m questioning as well.
A little disappointed in this video, not going to lie. It’s not people following the crowd or whatnot. It’s the ACTUAL product. And not just the “no-poo” method of it. I NEVER co-wash, always wash my hair with a shampoo and I clarify once a month. But I used DevaCurl’s conditioner and styling products. So there is no way my hair is falling out, my scalp is itching, and my hair looks dry and frizzy because I “co-wash”. I never had issues when I used their products in 2017. All of the sudden, I’m pulling strands and strands of hair out while combing with my fingers. I use something else for a month and all the shedding decreases. I go back to DevaCurl and we’re back to square one. Intense hair loss. And how come my scalp itched insanely bad AFTER I had just clarified my scalp and then applied the products? And it even itches now as I type this, knowing I have DevaCurl in my hair? Thankfully tomorrow is wash day and I ordered a whole new batch of different products from a different brand to hopefully get my normal hair health back. Dr. Dray, I usually look forward to your videos and definitely looked forward to this one, and I understand why you would only look at it from one perspective as a medical professional, but I wish you had researched just a tiny bit deeper. To see that there have been people using it for years without issue and it suddenly stopped working for them. To see that some people DO wash normally, and just use the products, and still experience issues. To see that DevaCurl went under new ownership. Those are the possibilities I want to hear about. Not what damage co-washing can do when it seems to not have been an issue to some people anyway.
IAmNotNicole this is my exact situation also I never co washed, clarify and don’t apply products directly to the scalp but yet my curls turned dry itchy scalp and hair loss
IAmNotNicole So demanding.
The problems a lot of women report are probably in part be due to the products and DC maybe having changed the formulation but most of the women I know and read about in CGM groups who follow the CGM take the whole no poo part way too seriously or don't do enough to clean their scalp which in the longterm could definitely cause a lot of the complaints. It would probably occur with other products as well and not just the DC ones, so switching out products would probably only help temporarily at best. So I think she made a good point adressing this as an overall issue and not just a DC issue.
IAmNotNicole thank you for your comments. I have wavy hair so have only used the styling curl creams, not cleansers or conditioners. My hair has been so frizzy looking since I started using these products and is matted and breaking with every little brush. Plus, I’ve been wondering why my scalp has been itching like crazy. Didn’t connect the products to it, but this only started with Devacurl use.
I second this comment , also for those saying she has a point in general, yes she does, but this was a video that was supposed to be looking into the Deva curl issue in particular, not the no-poo method in general.
So here's the problem: you have people who have been using these products 5-7 years not having any problems until the last 18 months, give or take, people who have just started using the products having problems from the first few uses, and people using other wash products and washing with shampoo once a week but using stylers and still having these problems.
It's not the cgm method, it's the products.
Domynoe L yeah I’m wondering if they changed the ingredients! their arc angel gel just recently fried my hair!
Yeah formulation changes just ruin everything.
I wish someone would explain why some people like me who have been using their products for over 5yrs has no issues does this mean it’s only a matter of time? I feel so confused I’ve never had any issues with their products and my curls look better then they ever have..
@@ilovemecabana Perhaps you have an earlier batch? 🤷
Seriously. I like how she attacked the curly girl method which has been a method people have been using for DECADES. She knows nothing about it, so why speak on it and ridicule people for something they know more about and have been doing for years??? That’s totally dismissing their experience
I don't think this video is well informed.
Many women went to the Dr and did not have health issue. Many women were only using the styling products. Their curl pattern changed! There is not a lawsuit yet.
Agreed! One quick search on the internet and you can find complaints from YEARS ago. Tons of forums with people having the same issues. One product is no poo so it’s ridiculous to assume everyone is having issues just from that.
Actually, there IS a class action lawsuit happening now.
I did not co-wash. I used shampoo and then Deva Curl conditioner and stylers. I have hair loss, dryness, and loss of curl pattern. ALL AS A RESULT OF DEVA CURL.
@Stacy Falcone
Most likely they are adding an ingredient that is not listed or hidden under the term “fragrance perfume.” Much like how Mario Badescu was hiding steroids under fragrance.
But ether way co-washing is a bad idea, and DEVA CURL is a shady brand the people shouldn’t support.
@@HelenFire420 I couldn't agree more.
Conditioner and styling products that don't touch your scalp can't cause hairloss. For hairloss the root has to die off
@@jennbrandon8182 I respect your opinion, but I know exactly what I've used and when the problems began. Blood work all good. I said it was these products months before all of this came out. I even commented on another TH-cam's video before Curl Ninja. It was the only change made. Oh, and I don't have scalp issues like some. My problem is all in my hair itself. My scalp is fine. No redness, no itching, no sores, no buildup. Just hair falling out. It's really weird.
Cowashing has nothing to do with this. Their fingernails are deteriorating, hair is appearing bleached when it's not. And a lot of the users used sulfates and shampoo. Some only used the styling products. These people are having no choice but to shave their head. Few yes has balding and breakage but the majority it's the less of the concern.
U should blame the company..not the victims
@@ladiedebbie5310 I stopped using the shampoo/conditioner over a year ago. But was still religiously using the Deva styling products. I have hair loss, complete loss of my curl pattern, dryness, matting, ect. Deva should be held responsible for the damage they've caused.
This exactly. Because they do sell a clarifying step. Some poeple have been using these products since day one and never had any reactions. I'm thinking either an ingredient spoiled or they are using cheaper chemicals to make the products.
A lot of people have a hunch it's a chemical reaction to the plastic of the bottles like with shipping heat/weather. Bc its random. Effects some and not others. Also they changed their packaging when some started having issues. But who knows. Glad they have a lawsuit though.
@@ladiedebbie5310 in what part did she blamed the victims?
It’s not just hair loss. It’s hair damage as well. There’s something wrong with these products. I was using a regular shampoo along with DevaCurl products and still had major scalp issues and my hair became damaged.
rolliepollie same. I go to the gym everyday, so I needed to wash my hair daily, but regular shampoo made my ends too dry. I shampooed regularly with a sulfate shampoo twice a week and nopooed the rest of the days, also always used to the one condition every time I shampooed. I used that and the wave maker, because I have very fine hair, and the curl cream was too heavy. In the beginning it did wonders for my hair! But over the last year, it turned my curls to frizzy, fried, waves. Completely wrecked my curl pattern. I cut off the damage and started using the not ur mothers curl line, and my hair is finally starting to look like my hair again
Maybe something went wrong with more recent batches. Many people used them with no problem until recently.
I read something that said there’s an ingredient that acts as a mild relaxant which is why so many people are seeing loss of curl pattern
susanne anique i had problems with DC products from 2011-2015. this isnt new its just more people bringing attention to it
@@SpEdEssentials that's sad.. Sorry.
No. There was a change in the formula, myself and others have been using these products for YEARS and didn't experience damage until very recently. And I do NOT follow the curly girl method, I ONLY used the styling cream and no other devacurl products. I also use a regular shampoo twice per week!
She wouldn't reply to this or accept that it's the product n not the users.. She just wants to get on the bandwagon as a dermatologist n make cash this. Has never used deva curl or cowashing but has an opinion about it
Zara Seastrunk She missed the point completely
Have you seen the drama.
Yeah i was getting more and more upset. People have been using it for years and NOW?? SUDDENLY, there is a problem. This sounds a lot like victim blaming. Something went wrong and this chick going "oh, none of y'all was washing your hair right" was pissing me off
Phenoxyethanol
I feel like you didn't research the issues people were having at all. I've lost a lot of respect and will probably start second guessing your content more than I do.
Frannie Bear TRUTH!!! 🙏🏻
Yeah I don't really know where she got the idea that we just don't use shampoo... lol what an irrelevant video
I just want to append that I am a DevaCurl certified curl master stylist and if anyone has any questions and wants REAL solutions not from someone who doesnt know what shes talking about, slide into my dms.
Arent you supposed to literally only praise the products?
@Katy, nope. Completely removed all DC products from my stock and removed my self from their certified list. I don't mess with DC any more.
Gotta tell you doc I respect your opinion tremendously BUT you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one. There are thousands of DC users who until the last couple of years were happy/satisfied as can be with their results. Your hair is NOT textured and you could probably use dish soap in a pinch and it would come out ok. Give us “curly folks” credit for knowing on a personal level what is happening to our hair.
Saw u on curly ninja
@ninoskae thank you, bravo, you said everything I was going to state... Another issue I am having with this video is that it is NOT mindful or knowledgeable in any way of POC hair types. Many of us have been co-washing for eons without issue before DC even existed. This vid sounds as if we aren't washing our hair a couple times per week. Pretty invalidating all around.
ninoskae I DON’T respect this “docs” opinion at all.
Halo2glitchlover22 it’s invalidating on more levels than I can dive into or unpack in this space for sure... this is really multi layered in that her response goes beyond and into a throwback around an “unclean” narrative which is extremely triggering for folx of color. That said, I’m hopeful she reads these responses and learns or takes in with humility as opposed to viewing this as criticism. There’s a lot to unpack around the invalidation of these experiences so many DC are having/going through right now.
Leatherlace71 agreed
For me, I wouldn’t say it’s “no shampoo” it’s more “less shampoo.” As a curly girl, I just wash my hair less, about once every 5 days. But never using shampoo just seems gross to me...
Ecks Dee I agree. I do think some people take the “no poo” thing very literally
It’s actually been better for my curly hair! You do not need harsh shampoos full of chemicals.
@@suzanneaubin7599 What do you use to clarify your scalp?
"no poo" vs "low poo" are more or less the same thing...their low poo produt still uses cocamidopropyl betaine and zero surfactant for cleansing, even at a "low level" ....the "low" vs "no" is just marketing to sell you another version of the same thing here
@@YT-ph3qb Right, I think of it like this, would I use lotion to wash my body with?
Very disappointed in the lack of research on this topic.
@C. J that's rude. Many people have been horrible effected only ever used the gel. Product should not hurt someone. If it really comes down to user error ( I do not belive this used DC my self for 2 years before it extremely hurt me and my clients. ) than DC should not be sold with out an appointment with a trainer profesional
I'm actually not affected by this, but thanks for your assumption, appreciate it. You are also assuming that everyone doesn't know the proper techniques and while I do think there is likely small percent that may have made mistakes, most curly/wavy hair people do put a lot of effort into making sure proper steps are taken for the care of the hair. As someone who has been taking care of their curly hair for a year, I have participated in the community discussion about products, techniques etc in many outlets. May want to take part before generalizing the entire community and assuming its purely user-problem only.
But lots of people, including myself, had these symptoms after using other devacurl styling products and not the cleansers. This video is pretty dismissive. Unfollowing.
BJ Courville I agree
Thank you
BJ Courville May I ask what are you using now I usually use devacurl styling lotion I don’t know what to do now I’m lost
I recommend Kenna’s video on this topic. I saw someone comment that this video was insensitive and misinformed. I don’t like Dr. Dray so I didn’t watch it before but I actually came to watch it to see why they thought that, and I agree. I’m so sorry that you, and other people have been going through this. I feel for you and I wish I could do something to help.
PS if you need better skincare TH-cam to watch, checkout Skincare by Hyram and James Welsh.
Did you even watch/comprehend the video? By your statement, you clearly didn’t.
But Dr. some women reported burning sensation when using the products and loss of curl pattern and fried hair. This can’t be all a yeast or just build up.
Maybe they became sensitized to one of the ingredients in the products
She explains this early on if you watch the video again.
build up will mess up your curl pattern and a clarifying shampoo will bring that back!
Look up the ingredients on the think dirty app
I think dr. said parfum or products left on the skin for too long cause iritation aka burning sensation. I remember she mentioned hair breaking because of build up and if hair breaks is not like a clean cut and will result in splited ends in some time and this is I think fried hair. And I guess build up on the hair means hair becoming heavier and resulting in curls becoming looser. This is just what I understood is not like I believe I said the absolute truth :)
I feel like you kinda missed the point....
I feel like it’s a little condescending to imply that these people did not consider using a clarifying shampoo at any point and that their scalps are just dirty, like. Curly ladies are the ones that taught me about buildup and clarifying in the first place so idk.
true but remember those clarifying shampoos are sulphate free which means sulphate is replaced by other surfactants that lather up and dr. dray mentioned that they are not as effective at removing built-up product and dirt as sulphate. in my opinion in general, the cgm is very damaging to the hair and this is coming from someone with natural curly hair.
clarifying shampoos don't have silicones, they do have sulfates
@@squidwardswift The shampoo I pick to clarify is always a sulfate shampoo, I was under the impression clarifying using sulfate was the point.
Jaz Helton all the clarifying shampoos from devacurl/shea moisture/cantu are sulphate free because they follow the cgm
@@squidwardswift I hear you. I just don't think you gotta use those, when a clarifying suave shampoo is like a buck.
Please, refrain from speaking about our experiences when you’re clearly not well-informed.
Preach on!
Dr Dray, what do you say to the people who were clarifying their hair on a regular basis while using DC products and experienced severe hair loss? Most curly haired women know to clarify their hair, especially if they use the more gentle shampoos. I was one of them!
Anna Burns a co-wash is also like a conditioner that cleanses and moisturizes it’s like putting a little shampoo in your conditioner you can technically make your own
It’s not just pure conditioner
@@peytonblanchard4955 Even people who use regular shampoo and who only use the devacurl styling products are complaining.
susanne anique yeah I was just saying that her saying using the co-wash is the problem is completely wrong because I have wavy hair so I usually only use a co-wash weekly and shampoo two times a week but her saying that there are no sulfates doesn’t make sense because shampoo without sulfates works just as good and there usually isn’t build up like she is talking about because most curly girl products are water soluble and don’t require sulfates as long as there is no silicones
@@peytonblanchard4955 that's not quite true I'm afraid. I do CG myself and clarify once a month with kinky curly come clean and as often as needed with a harsher sulfate shampoo , that's usually twice a year. Regular shea moisture shampoos I use every 3 to 5 days but those are not giving me a deep clarifying cleanse. I do find the problem still to be partly DC related and also their responsibility to admit that build up buster is not enough for a deep cleanse as it only uses micellar water. Build up happens with slapping product after product on, with hard water - you don't need nor should use harsh sulfates daily or weekly but by no means skip them all together. The skin is an organ and it has different needs depending on the weather/season as does your facial skin. Products should constantly be adapted. It is possible that deva curl products got contaminated but I also find it true that a lot of people use CG like a cult rather than as inspiration, not fully understanding the importance of a regular deep clarifying and what ingredients give this and which do not.
Seems like several of the people with issues have used deva curl for years but only had problems in the last few months. So I guess I’m confused. They’ve not been using shampoo for years but just now having problems.
Even ppl who use shampoo have had issues.
I haven't used their shampoo/conditioner in over a year. I have hair loss, loss of curl pattern, dryness, matting, ect. There is something wrong with Deva.
These issues started around 2017/2018, when the company was bought out and changed their formula.
Kirsty Birsty right. Just the video mentioned that never using shampoo is bad but the folks I’ve heard from having problems with deva haven’t been using shampoo for years before and only had issues more recently. To me that implies it’s not the no shampoo causing problems.
I bought the gel and set it free several moths ago, and have had no issues at all. I do shampoo though a couple times a week. Idk
What about all of us who have used only the styling products and have suffered chemical damage to our hair structure? I understand the concerns with cowashing and have always used a clarifying shampoo to avoid build up. But yet I have lost most of my curl and my hair is damaged without any reason.
Also, I know you usually breakdown ingredients and you mentioned there’s no concern with their ingredients. What about the urea ingredient people are questioning now? And the theories of it being a formaldehyde releasing ingredient and is possibly causing these issues due to improper storage and transportation before reaching consumers? Or even better, the awful cheap plastic used for the packaging? Is it possible something from that is leaching into products causing these issues? I’ve even read instances where someone stored other products that never gave them issues in the Devacurl bottles and had the same issues. Could it be less the actual formula and more the packaging? I personally know the bottles are cheap and awful just from my own experience with the products. My bottle of gel literally dried up and split down the side causing the product to be unusable. There are just so many variables that the company is side stepping and no one can offer sound answers for any of it. So many of us have used these products for a long period of time and they have just recently been causing these issues so something has to have changed. Something isn’t right and it’s not just a co-washing problem.
This video is too superficial. There's people who had chemical-like damage. It's far worse than build up and fragrance.
So, it doesn't seem like you watched past the first 5 minutes of the video, because she goes into alot more detail than that
For instance, one concept she talks about is that not removing the yeast from your hair can cause redness, inflamation, and can cause your hair to fall out. Is this what you were referencing by your anomalous concept of "chemical-like damage"? Because that sounds like it to me
Chemical-like damage doesn't mean anything. What is the difference between blisters caused by a chemical burn, or blisters caused by a burn by heat? You can't point to a type of damage and say it's clearly chemical; what if it's an allergy to something in the product, or a reaction to literally anything else (both of which, she points out are possibilities in her video)?
@@Caffeine_Addict_2020 chemical-like damage as in bleaching or relaxing the hair. Scalp issues are a completly different thing. Loosing hair texture, weakening of the strands (porosity) and even change in hair color. That's what she missed.
@@jaik923 Ok, this is a new claim that I was unfamiliar with. My fear, and I believe most people's, is the hair-loss which is super dramatic and I, personally, think she did a good job of explaining. I gotcha tho
I really think you missed the mark on this one. If cowashing were the only issue it wouldn't be just Devacurl. Many of these people never even used the shampoo(nopoo) and only used the styling products. There seems to be some talk about how the product may have been improperly stored. That seems to be the most reasonable explanation to me because I bought some Devacurl conditioner about a month ago and noticed it smelled wrong almost like cleaning product.
The issue is u dont use any products to have peh balance, if hair gets "overmoist" in time it gets what all this girls does. I wish u had more influensers who speak english and get the knowledge Polish cg do
Most if not all curly girls I've seen do clarify their hair. It's a well known thing to do. Some people recommend once a week and product build up is well known in the curly community. Many different ways to clarify that people recommend so I don't think build up is a major contributor to problems. I think that statement doesn't fit with the whole curly girl method.
This only addresses the no-poo line. There have been issues with many of their products recently. Also, most curlies don't co-wash exclusively.
But they don't sell shampoo and don't recommend other brands. The people getting hurt claim to only use devacurl.
The physical, emotional and financial burden that these products have caused many curly hair ladies is truly no small matter. I had to go see my doctor, have blood work done and deal with the depressing effect of seeing chunks of hair falling out, extremely itchy and burning scalp. These symptoms began after Ihad been using Devacurl products for awhile and started to subside after completely stopping use of the product.
Did you saw a dermatologist ? Dermatitis has nothing to do with blood work, that is why I ask since a lot of people talk about their blood work and I don't see the point.
Julz Alta blood work would likely have been ordered by an MD related to the hair loss to check for deficiencies which can affect hair, skin, bone health - that is my own experience (unrelated to the DC controversy).
Tara B Yes but since a very very common cause of hair loss is dermatitis. Just doing the blood work and not sending the patient to a dermatologist to check the scalp is quite unprofessional.
Donna Mae Cruz Then why not eliminate dermatitis since again, it’s one of the more prevalent cause of hair lost ? Why nobody talks about dermatitis ?
@@Enne- So I'm pasting what I already respond, since people seems to not understand : "Yes but since a very very common cause of hair loss is dermatitis. Just doing the blood work and not sending the patient to a dermatologist to check the scalp is quite unprofessional."
girl just ignored the actual problem and damage that ppl get and saying that is just the way ppl co-wash their hair, wtf did she even try to contact someone to be actually informed instead of sayin shit
You clearly didn’t do enough research, and as I continue to watch this video, it’s making me angrier and angrier. “Not shampooing your hair” well maybe you should look at the black community too.. we don’t wash our hair as often as white people because our oils don’t build up like yours.. the curly community def does “wash their hair”..
You’re ignoring the thousands (THOUSANDS) of people who washed their hair with sulfates at least once a week and STILL had irritation, hair loss, and curl relaxing after using devacurl, and had never had these issues with any other product.
Low quality research and information. Why would build up of products that you otherwise tolerate lead to contact dermatitis? I have curly hair, I absolutely will not use surfactants because I can guarantee it degrade the quality and health of my hair. Does this woman look like she has great hair? No she does not, I would not take her advice. Hair build up DOES NOT CAUSE HAIR LOSS. I am a pharmacist and this doctor is overly simplistic, discounts individuals experience, and sensationalizes the anti-holistic anti-green perspective. She is rather chauvinistic in pushing her poorly researched but apparently “scientific” perspective. I would never go to this doctor.
You have absolutely no knowledge of curly hair or curly hair products. The curly hair journey that so many of us go through is very difficult. Getting a big chop, DIY masks for growth, spending tons of money finding products that work for you, dealing with white people who ask if your hair is real, etc. very distasteful video. This is not your place.
That’s what bothers me so much about this video. It’s like women of color specifically struggle with their hair. Onision did a 3 part video series telling black women how horrible their hair is and how they need to wash it more. His videos were full of misinformation and they were racist. And now a medical professional is putting this video up, basically saying the same thing. It’s like she’s giving them more fuel to talk badly about people of color and their hair. And it’s all misinformation.
Did devacurl pay for this? lol
I am thinking they did! Shame on this "dr"
Oh c'mon she's a certified dermatologist who graduated with honors and produced scientific literature, she's just looking at things from a neutral and scientific approach.
@@charles1413 Is she? Where's her office? She doesn't know what she's talking about here.
@@charles1413 The vast majority of us used DC for years without problems, and have only experienced symptoms in the last 6-12 months. We're also a group of people who have devoted countless hours to researching and testing products and techniques, as no one has an easy or uncomplicated curly hair journey. This woman is saying we don't know enough to wash our scalps.
@@ashleycodd5826 She DID not say that, she said that's what most of her patients were doing. My gosh people, y'all are angry to the wrong person, she gave her professional opinion because her viewers wanted it, she's not Deva curl CEO for fuck sake.
This sounds like devacurl cover up.....
She is telling you that the curly girl method and all this no poo or low poo trends (co-wash, wash and go, two-in-one) is bullshit. How is that benefiting to devacurl exactly ?
@@julzalta6466 Because it minimizes what the issue actually is. Focusing on co-washing, is counterproductive at best. People who have been using products for the past 5 years have all of a sudden had issues. People who only use styling products, using other shampoos and conditioners, have seen the same issues. Focusing on dandruff, but ignoring people who have had migraines, loss of their curl pattern, etc. simply doesn’t look good. Kinda patronizing imo
This has me fuming. It sounds like she didn't even research the actual DevaCurl scandal - yes, curly girls know we have to clarify, but people who have used DC for years are suddenly seeing intense, CHEMICAL damage to their hair and scalp, even if they just used the stylers!! I was solely using the DC frizz free volumizing foam for a while and I was shedding hair like crazy and my hair is still wiry from it. My hair isn't damaged nearly as bad as some people, but I still feel and see the effects months later. Seriously Dr. Dray, do your research before you start victim shaming.
Me too... Just more gas lighting from someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.... Once again. I joined Stephanie Meros Facebook group when there was less than 200 members now it is over 46,000 members that have suffered from this. But I guess none of us know wtf we are talking about. Smh.
Many people used these products exclusively for years and didn’t have any problems, until more recently. Which coincides with the timeframe in which the company was sold. Obviously it is important to get rid of build up, please look into the specifics of this case before drawing conclusions. This product is dangerous many people are hurting and Deva Curl has done nothing.
Personally, I used the suave clarifying shampoo along with a DevaCurl deep conditioner and two DevaCurl styling products and i can say the problem is DevaCurl not the consumer.
The you tuber Ayesha used for years and had gorgeous curls. She recently posted a video stating she had to stopped using Deva Curl and showed her damaged hair. Logically it seems there might have been a change in the formulation.
Yes dr dray 1000s of people who are mostly adult consumers have suddenly stopped washing their hair correctly and clarifying their hair despite managing just fine for the past 18+ years.
Doc you didn’t do your research... it goes beyond the no-poo. Your video was a waste of time.
Doctors like you terrify me. What you’re saying & the way you’re saying it sounds like facts - but in reality you have no idea what you’re talking about. So scary it gives me chills.
She has a fair idea of what she's talking about; most MD PhDs are in favour of evidence-based medicine and make an effort to be informed on what they're talking about. I don't think you're scientifically literate enough to make a judgment of that.
But, I will say that this video is tone-deaf and does not fully explore the full gamut of Devacurl issues; people are using any combination of products, and Dr Dray limiting the discussion to only people who are not using (enough) surfactants is a mistake. This video is pretty useless for the majority of people who are suffering from using Devacurl products.
I feel for you, Ayesha, and I hope things get better sooner rather than later. But I think your comment is misdirected fear.
@@mindykoch3340 I have your video in my queue to watch next. Excited to hear your story, sorry that this happened.
I’ve experienced hair loss and damaged hair from Deva Curl and the only product I used from them was their gel so this is much wider than just their shampoo and conditioner. My curly hair is no longer curly but dry, wavy and damaged.
She also mentioned that buildup on the hair shaft could lead to breakage. That would be where the styling products come in...they could be causing more build up than a sulfate free shampoo can remove. Either that or there could be some kind of manufacturing/storage contaminate that’s also at play.
SaBr 417 I understand that but people are not just reporting hair breakage.....people have mentioned bald spots, myself included and I use normal shampoo and conditioners. The theory that maybe the packing is the problem may well be a valid claim.
SheezyP I think it’s a mixture of both. Some people are experiencing scalp issues because of a lack of cleansing (a lot of the symptoms I’ve seen on the Facebook group sounds like Seb derm) and others might be experiencing issues because the formulas of the products were tweaked and/or contamination. I don’t think there’s one sure cause, but maybe a few things combined.
Something else could be going on beyond no poo. I know girls who did no poo with other products that were not Deva curl ( myself included). The experience is one of dullness and build up, but not a change in curl pattern or tightness.
I am inclined to believe that Deva curl reformulated or chose cheaper ingredient sources or the products got contaminated somehow. Perhaps after the lawsuit, truth will out.
@@sabr4174 The preservative they use to replace parabens breaks down into Formaldehyde if it gets too hot. One of my friends told me she stopped using it after a heat wave in NYC. Her products took on the odor of rat poison.
Dr. Dray, I religiously watch and love your videos and take your advice seriously. But I think you missed the mark a bit on this one. The curly hair community is very much aware about the importance of removing build up regularly and how neglecting to do so can cause hair loss. The problem with the Deva Curl scandal is that there are people who have been using these products for years without an issue but are only NOW having problems. No change in routine. To me, SOMETHING in their recent batches changed. I have used their products on and off for a decade and only recently had unbearable scalp irritation after using a new jar of deep conditioner that I have loved for years (after i freshly shampooed my hair- so no “no poo” issues with me). My hair looked fried and my curl pattern is still recovering. What many of us fear is that DevaCurl has been neglecting properly quality testing their products or simply don’t want to recall anything potentially damaging that could’ve made it to the shelves.
I only used the Devacurl gels, hairspray and styling creams and got migraines after I would use the diffuser. And I would itch like crazy. I use only clarifying shampoos. I didn't strictly use Devacurl stylers and these things would only happen when I did. So I must disagree with your theory.
@Kirsty Birsty This lady did some sloppy ass research. I'm very disappointed in her. This was irresponsible of her.
@@sneakerteacher89 for her to be a doctor.
I expected better scientific thinking from you dude. Why would everyone who was using Devacurl suddenly develop the same side effects around the same time? The curly girl method has been going since the 90s with much success. You lack some serious logic here.
Okay first of all you have no idea what you're talking about I am a curly girl unlike you. Ive been using devacurl products for years so does my mother and it has done wonders for our hair. Shampoos(sulfate products) causes our hair to dry out, because it strip the hair breaking and also causing dry itchy scalp. If you don't scrub your scalp properly with "shampoo" ma'am you're still gonna have build up on the scalp.
It’s pretty disappointing to see you being a doctor discredit so many people who’ve been affected by this and do so little research on the issue.
Exactly .. i was laughing when she said "I think, thats my guess, I would bet on" and the most "I could be wrong but thats what I think".. also vinegar she is acting like we are pouring it straight from the bottle. There is a massive ratio vinegar/water...
It's important to note the origins of co-poo. It came from the Black hair movement in which Black women were embracing their natural textures and openly sharing techniques within the hair community. Many of these first participants naturally had textured, 4C hair (a very tight curl pattern, you can search "4C" in a search engine). This is important because the means of taking care of this type of hair IS VERY DIFFERENT than for those with other types of curly hair. One example is that oil must be added to the hair for health as opposed to many people wash their hair when it's oily.
This means co-pooing (with intermittent shampooing) is actually very beneficial to this type of hair. But one can't assume that the same benefits would translate to other textures. Understanding the origins of the natural hair movement and who it was actually for will help people to more appropriately discern what techniques and products are actually the best for their hair.
Someone that doesn't have naturally curly hair probably doesn't get it.
Step 4head no, no no, this started and still is primarily marketed to wavy and curly textures, look at the old AND current marketing;coily textures and texture found more in black women tend to be less porous so washing with shampoo to remove product to allow moisture in is thr default; co washing was introduced by Massey and Wen and Mixxed Chix and marketed to mixed and wavy textures
@@TyraHigh I have had 3B curls all my 40 years... I have been using non-lathering products for at least 15 years. And growing up I would wash with only conditioner and leave it in, as it was the only thing back then I could find that would keep me curls coiled and hydrated. What I am saying is Dr. Dray doesn't sound like she truly understands how dry curly hair can get and how thick emollient products may not behave the same for some hair types. As a person that avoids most lather like the plague and uses additional creams and leaves in in addition to no-poo cleanser and deva conditioners, my scalp is never greasy, and as long as I wash with teh no-poo at least every other day, my hair is never oily- Many curly hair types thrive with extra emollients. My hair is way to fluffy to go without.
Yeah. The technique to taking care of 4C hair differs, yet washing hair with shampoo on a regular basis is STILL necessary. Cowashing can be helpful, but it’s not something that should be done without shampoo. That goes for ALL hair types.
@@ShaVaughnSure.
This has nothing to do with cowashing🙄 this is the actual chemicals in the products, there has to be some sort of relaxer because my curl pattern deteriorated after using deva curl’s products. Also most curly girls do clarify their hair, we understand our hair and know how to take care of it. This felt extremely dismissive😕
With all do respect, "PLEASE do "ALL" your research before a video"! I have read the comments below & this video sounds as if you are not "properly educated" as truly need to be, as seeing the whole picture & having the physically & mentally, co$tly & extremely pAiNfUl sTrEsS, outstanding issues is "NOT right", what if this was you, your child etc. having bReAkAgE, drier hair losing patches of your hair, we curly girls literally "work HARD" on our natural curly hair & honestly, we "ALL" deserve the proper Actions, "respect, answers, understanding & the 100% truth" & a hell of a lot more... Think of all the stress so many are in this scary whirlwind... I honestly believe that the new owners since Lorraine Massey of DevaCurl companies needs to investigate all needed options & do what's right for far to many...
Actually I would love to see a video on good drugstore shampoo. I always feel lost on what is a good shampoo to buy that wont irritate my scalp but will be good for my hair.
I second that request 🤞
Yes, please! :)
Check out manes by Mell. She is on YT
Shea moisture shampoos are pretty cool, they have good baby shampoos.
@@sydneybodenstein928 those tend to have a lot of oils though. Im not sure dr dray thinks thats good
Also Monat and Wen. Beware.
omg Dr. Dray pleaseeee do a video on Monat.
I can testify to Wen making hair excessively shed.
Monat?
Peace Lilies Ugh, a lot of beauty gurus & influencers advise people to use Monat. I am skeptical being that they get a commission for each sale they make.
I've used Wen for years and haven't noticed hair loss. I do notice that after age 50 my hair isn't as thick in general however.
Disappointing. As someone who follows the Curly Girl Method, we are really aware of our hair and hair products. Not all of us are cowashing, I certainly don't, and the women who have used Deva Curl have legitimate issues. I had a salon use Deva Curl on me a couple of times (I don't personally use it) and my scalp would start to get irritated shortly after coming home. I'd have to wash my hair right away. It's obviously the product. You really need to learn more about the Curly Girl Method before releasing a video like this because assuming we all just cowash is a lazy attempt at trying to understand it.
This woman does and does not know WTH she's is talking about.
If your going to make a video about such a major topic you should do more research on the matter first. Not everyone using their products is cowashing. There is now a lawsuit in pursuit and hopefully testing will be done on the used products of the people with severe health issues plus hair loss caused because of these products.
So you either have no idea of how the victims have been affected, or you are gaslighting them.
I used the low poo line (which uses a sulfate-free shampoo) and some of the wavy stylers. I clarified every two weeks. My hair and scalp were healthy before using DevaCurl. The products made my scalp extremely inflamed and itchy. My scalp broke out in sores and scabs. I lost 25% of my hair and my wave pattern was destroyed. Also to clarify: I do not use heat on my hair. It is air dried.
So, what is your theory about my situation? I did not co-wash or use no-poo and my hair was so damaged I had to cut it into a pixie cut.
I suspect you just don't care because you have only addressed those who agree with your assessment.
It really seems like you missed the point this time. Curly girls use shampoo and clarify their hair when needed or regularly. And they are definitely unique to deva curl, coming from someone who used these products and had issues.
This video is dismissive to those who have curly and thicker hair who have actually used the product. I think you took a trendy topic and without much research just decided to do a video on it for views. I subscribed for a long time, but I’m not unsubscribing. I really think you shouldn’t have spoke about this issue if you didn’t have anything actually educational to say about what real people are suffering from.
But what about people who use their clarifying shampoo, yet still have hair loss and texture change? Those who only use their styling products?
Hannah Sweets 🙋♀️ me. I used the very expensive Deva clarifying shampoo once a month. And I NEVER co washed. This video is pointless and obviously poorly researched.
@@ScarletBegonia1974 straight haired people are biased all to often
This exact thing happened to Ayesha Malik! She was using low poo with the clarifying shampoo regularly together with the styling products and look what happened to her. It's such a fucked up thing to reduce thousands of people's pain to 'yeah you didn't wash you hair correctly :///' Ayesha had THE best curls in the business, it looked almost unreal how gorgeous it was, nobody deserves this type of dismissive bullshit.
Even if your argument covered all the bases of the accusations against DevaCurl (it doesn't) and was the root of the problem (it probably isn't because these issues have only shown up within the last year), DevaCurl would still be at fault because they are the ones that wrote the book advising curly haired people to co-wash. Blaming the consumer when this problem is tied to only the one brand doesn't make sense. This video is poorly researched, extremely misleading, and very condescending to people who have had their hair affected. The way you deflect any criticism of this video to a dermatologist that is not even discussing DevaCurl is cowardly. Don't use your expertise in dermatology to mislead viewers into thinking you are an expert on allegations you've clearly not done much research on.
The book is by Lorraine Massey, has no affiliation with deva curl, as she sold the company years ago, which then sold the company again. The current owners are twice removed from the book’s author.
Still it may be that she bares some moral responsibility for the recommendation but no legal responsibility because you use the methods at your own risk since she is not a professional directly recommending to individual as clients/patients.
Very very interesting point you make here.
Oh, wasn't there a similar scandal with WEN hair products?
Correct: arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/wen-hair-loss-scandal-cracked-open-dirty-underbelly-of-personal-care-products/
my mom had bought me wen when I was in college and I HATED the way it made my hair feel
Good question I wondered myself thank you
Roll0112358 All Wen did when I tried it was clog the plumbing in my shower, causing a big plumbing bill.
I was thinking the same. I believe the WEN people were also sued.
I think there was a problem with quality control in the 2019 batches. I happily used my older bottles but my newer bottles almost instantly irritated my scalp and dried out my hair. I don’t cowash my hair either. I used the low poo and 3 styling products. I returned what I could and sadly trashed the rest.
Agreed. I have exclusively used Deva Curl for YEARS without issues (No Poo, One Conditioner, Styling cream and light defining gel), than about 9 months ago, my hair started breaking, my scalp itched like crazy and my face, back, and chest started breaking out like I was a teenager (I'm 38). Nothing in my routine for hair or body had changed. I stopped using Deva and within 2 weeks, all the breakouts cleared up. I am seeing a ton of new growth where my hair broke off as well.
Angie Crenshaw DevaCurls official statement essentially said they never changed the formula. But others are mentioning the plastic bottles changed and the new warehouse is non-climate controlled since the brand sold a year ago. Hopefully we get answers.
@@amandabrown1561 i'm SO relieved you saw results so quickly when you stopped using DC, I have baby hairs all over my head from months of breakage, I'm wondering if I should take vitamins to grow out my hair too? My scalp is still healing and the itchy feeling dwindling little by little each day.
I had issues between 2011-2015. its the products its not a new problem. its just more people are realizing whats going on.
From the moment devacurl came out, I've had issues with their products making my scalp itchy and irritated particularly because of that darn lemongrass they put in that is known to irritate skin. So I think devacurl wasn't a problem at first, but after sustained use they have finally caused issues. Something similar happened to me and a few Lush products. All was well for a few months and out of no where I had severe skin reactions from head-to-toe. Sometimes these types of sensitivity reactions happen right away, and sometimes they can take months (or even years) to manifest. It's why Dr. Dray and other dermatologists recommend no fragrance, etc. Sooner or later something will happen to your skin.
I never cowash. I used Lo poo and a deep conditioner once a week when I washed my hair. I also used the buildup buster every like 5-6 washes. My hair was going great. I bought new bottles around April when the company sold to Henkel and some of the ingredients had changed and I truly believe that is part of the hair loss for most of us. I experienced the most hair loss around my temples and back of my scalp. Not to mention, my curl pattern changed. I started losing curl density and my curls were being straightened out. I’m 6 months Devacurl free and I’ve seen huge changes in my hair since I’ve stopped using Devacurl.
What products are you currently using?
The build up buster has ingredients in it that (ironically) cause build up, and it includes oils. It was likely not enough to cut through both oil and styling product, and neither is ACV (though it is great at removing oil). Edit: the Hydroxypropyl Guar Hydroxyproplytrimonium Chloride and polyquats are known to buildup on hair.
SaBr 417 my hair always felt gross after buildup buster. I didn’t understand why people liked it
EXACT same timeline for me!!!
I used the low suds cleanser from DC and the foam styler. I experienced hair loss and breakage. It’s not just the conditioning cleanser causing this.
This is just goofy. The whole premise of this video is assuming that every person having issues with DevaCurl products are co-washing. Like what?
The whole purpose of DevaCurl philosophy is to not use shampoo, and most people who were experiencing hair loss exclusively used DevaCurl.
Why would you say something.
Edit: been a day since i seen this and im still pissed so im going to just say:
full offense, but curly haired people, especially black people KNOW to clarify their hair. we do on a regular basis. "your hair's just dirty" is a racist statement we have to hear consistently, and whether you know that or you don't its still a shitty thing to say.
Although I find your videos educational, I have to disagree with this. I would use briogeo in between using deva curl, and I still have all of these issues that a lot of other people have. I don't believe that it's the ingredients itself, but possibly bad batches or some kind of chemical reaction within the product.
To continue I've always been interested in your content and have followed lots of your advice in the past, but I'm definitely going to be avoiding your videos now. This is just irresponsible.
I have really respected your opinions. But, this video is very disappointing. It really makes me wonder how often you may be speaking on certain things without a full understanding. This video really show cased your lack knowledge/understanding/experience (or however you want word it)of curly/textured hair. I’m curious as why you even did this video. I really hope this wasn’t simply for the views and one more opportunity to get people to click on your affiliate links.
Nicole Jackson She’s an idiot! She should have sat this one out. She made this video for views! She could care less about women with curly hair or their issues!
Of course! After years and years of people using devacurl and "not cleansing their scalp properly", the damage coincidentally started showing up in these last few months at the same time for everyone. How could we have been so blind, she clearly knows what she is talking about and it's the victims' fault, not the brand's, the lawsuit is off!
Honestly, do you even hear what you're saying?
lol right! if this video doesn't make her subscriber count go down...nothing will
@@loridupuy6149 lol it didn't
The thing is that thousands of women who havent used the no-poo method have also experienced all the same symptoms as women who have. People who just used the styling products experienced hair loss & breakage & bald spots & chemical damage. This was all well and good but didnt rly address the whole of the devacurl issue; lots of cgm ppl shampoo, they just use sulfate free shampoo and probably use it once or twice a week. Then follow w devacurl conditioner + styling products.
there could also possibly be some issue with the concentrations of ingredients used, rather than the ingredients on their own, which is not something they disclose, so hard to comment on
@@DrDrayzday I think what concerns a lot of us most is that the problems didnt start until after the company was bought. I think that was in 2018. They came out and said that they "didnt make any major changes to formula" which implies that they did make *some* changes... and then Lorraine, the woman who wrote the curly girl handbook and co-founded devacurl back in the day, suddenly left the company to start her own. Idk it just, is extremely fishy that right when the company was bought out, the formula changed, the OG curly girl left the company, and now peoples hair is falling out in handfuls... idk. It seems like more than just user error. There are currently 30,000 members in the fb group CurlNinja created for people who have suffered damage.
Someone's story I watched here on TH-cam has psoriasis and she was regularly properly cleansing her scalp. She only used one of the styling products from Deva and still experienced damage and loss of curl pattern and this was after the product seemed to work fine for her. I'd be curious to know thoughts about that. Also for myself, I have wavy/curly hair and I tried Deva and experienced burning and itching and I was clarifying pretty regularly. I also tried one of the products on my daughter and the little contact it made on my skin, turned it bright red and made it burn, so i stopped using it
This is why I find this analysis strange. I have done co-washing before and I know many people who did the same but without devacurl. Co washing causes buildup and dryness, but not burning and itching.
I respect Dr Dray, but this particular case still needs to be investigated Ithink.
This is literally an issue within Deva curl. People only noticed a decline in results or damage in their hair and scalp more recently. So Deva must've messed up storage or something that has ruined the product itself. CGM isn't the issue, it's Deva.. even their styling products/hair masks caused these same issues. So their whole line has been hurting people.
For sure. I don’t think she got the fact that nobody had issues until as of recently. Someone pointed out that the previous owner had left DevaCurl and it now has a new owner. I personally feel like that has something to do with it. Also, I never “co-wash”. I actually shampoo every time I wash my hair. I take my time to shampoo and even use a shampoo brush sometimes. I clarify my scalp, too. My hair loss started when I was just using ONE single DevaCurl styling product. I started using more of their products recently and now my shedding is crazy. And it’s definitely not because I’m just letting everything build up. It’s DevaCurl. I went a month without using DevaCurl products (different conditioner and styling products) at some point and my hair did so much better. As soon as I started using DevaCurl again, the shedding increased by a TON. While I love Dr. Dray and was looking forward to hearing what she had to say, I’m a bit disappointed that she only looked at it from one perspective.
Burning and itching is an issue I have with my eyelids. My opthamologist said that burning and itching are signs of an allergic reaction, frequently fragrance, sometimes ingredients. Plain water and vaseline for my eyes. No more eye makeup. Sounds like a similar issue? But you can't do that with your hair.
susanne anique probably the fragrance. I get burning and itching from scented shampoos such as organix coconut shampoo/conditionner as well as kératase. I have seborrheic dermatitis so I just use head and shoulders. I have long shiny hair. No problems growing it out.
MANY women have experience hair loss, fried hair, scalp scabs, and loss of curl pattern from all deva curl products.
Here we go with another dr who thinks they know it all!!!! These people who experienced all these issue are not just making this stuff up!!!! Maybe some but definitely not all of them. I was taught by my parents to own up to my mistakes and DC should do the same!!!! At least pull the product from the shelves. DC dont care about yall issues they just care about the money!!!! Shame on u DC and u too doc!!
Just have a question. Why is she talking on a issue that she doesn't know about. Not everyone washes there hair every week or every day. I wash my hair every month. I co-wash my hair every two weeks. I have not had any problems with my hair. I really need her to do more research on natural hair and the curl community before giving advice to anyone. A lot of us have been doing this for years. If anyone used the DC products you know what happened to your hair personal and not anyone of us can judge because we were not there. I have reviewed many videos and I am hearing the same thing from a lot of people who used that product. I hope this issue gets solved and for the people that used DC thank you for letting people that have not used the product what happened to you. I don't care if you have been using it for years or just started using this product we need to know and I appreciate you.
You should honestly take this video down because it genuinely sounds like you didn’t even attempted to research the issue properly. People aren’t just experiencing a bit of scalp irritation and shedding. People have bald spots, chemical burns, pattern changes, new growth is damaged, headaches. I would hate to have you as a doctor. You seem very cold, dismissive, and lacking of knowledge. Yikes.
I think you need to redo this video cause honestly i don't think you get it. Everyone has already it in the comments but yeahh
This video was spoken like a true non curly haired girl😂 Watch videos omg this and then try again. I normally love your videos but this isn’t cool. It’s victim blaming.
I have been on the "curly girl method" for a year or so. Like a lot of curlies, the Deva brand was my first attempt. I'm dying to see this video! Thank you for posting this!
what was your experience like?
Colleen Harding Have you tried the line, All About Curls by zotos? It's available at Sally's stores and works far better than DevaCurl and doesn't weigh down the hair. I have very dry, curly hair and have tried loads of "curly" hair lines. The zotos products so far has been the best I've used. Lots of volume and soft, curl definition. :)
me too, but i really didn't like devacurl, or its price. i use much less expensive conditioners and more expensive stylers, but still following the curly girl method.
I’ve never tried DevaCurl and I’ve been natural since 2003.
I tried to CG but I simply must shampoo (2c/3a here). When I colour my hair though I do find co-washing helpful every second day.
You're not listening to what people are actually saying. My friend ONLY used their styling products and still had hair loss. She went to a dermatologist and had blood work done and everything came back normal. There is something wrong with the PRODUCTS. People are losing hair and having scalp issues after using this products for 10 years, and EVERYONE is having problems (short term users and long term users) at the SAME TIME. That's not a coincidence or people not knowing how to wash their hair.
PREACH
No offense to your friend, but if your hair has been damaged for over a year yet you're using the same exact products, whether they are leave-in or not, there is something wrong with that picture regardless of the brand...like you're not even going to consider switching up your products after over a year of your hair being bad? It should be even easier to do when those products you're currently using are hella expensive! You have to expect no matter the brand or formula, that some things are just not going to work for you.
Also, was your friend following curly girl? I still think implementing a good clarifying shampoo with moderate to even harsh(sulfates) surfactants in your regiment is a must, especially when you layer multiple products like many of us curly girls do; funny enough, deva curl encourages you to layer too. Funny, since they expect their customers to get all that shit out their hair with cowash and micellar water lol
She used the same products for 10 years with no issues until the last year. Why would she assume that something she had used for 10 years with no problems was suddenly the problem?
Also no, she doesn’t use the “curly girl method.”
This video is so disappointing. Missed the mark entirely.
People have been using this product for YEARS, and the curly girl method for YEARS. Not to mention people are reporting scalp burns and curl loosening do actually use clarifying shampoos. Only in the past 1-2 years is when people started to have problems with the product. You’re not well researched and are making ignorant assumptions.
You have this one wrong doctor.
This is reading very “the consumer doesn’t wash their hair and they’re dirty.”
Nope, no poo and cowash are two different things. You are talking about cowash. Curlyhair used shampoo without sulfates.
If this is the research that you do as a "professional"...
This video is BS. I hope people are not really believing what she’s saying...
I remember WEN by Chaz Dean had a similar lawsuit.
This is when I decide to see another doctor.
Has this lady done any research at all on the issue, the people who use these products (and how) or is she just hopping on the Devacurl issue to get views? She sounds like she's walking into this video completely blind!
As a professional, you should do your research before chipping in on any subject.
Is she a Deva Curl spokes person? Because this sounds like shes defending them instead of being a medical professional.
sidsid 95 I was wondering the same thing!
As a doctor, I would have expected you to do better research.
Women who used these products for more than 10 years NEVER had issues until RECENTLY. Something had to have happened RECENTLY in order for this to occur to many people.
I heard about deva curl about 6 months ago. I used the products only TWICE and my scalp is flaky and I have acne on my scalp. My scalp itches SO much all the time. Other women have used these products longer than I have and I could only imagine the annoyance of having to scratch your head all day long.
If you would have done some research, you would have caught this vital information.
I'm curious if Dr. Dray will respond to any comments on this one.
If this were the case, not just Devacurl users would be affected. “Cowashing” products are not limited to just Devacurl’s brand, many natural haircare brands offer them. And “cowash” is not the same as just conditioner, most also have clarifying ingredients. Also, this explanation is invalidated by those who did use traditional shampoos but only used Devacurl’s styling products, and now have this inexplicable hair damage.
Many curlies are extremely knowledgeable on hair care and do much more research on products and ingredients than straight-haired folks. It is not just as simple as “wash your hair”
This was such a disappointing video. Who told this doctor that the curly girl method was synonymous with never using shampoo? There is a big difference in reducing shampoo and literally never using it. It's a completely different haircsre method. I feel like this person is confusing deva curl, curly girl method, and no poo, and thinking they're all the same thing.
This has nothing to do with cowashing.
She has no clue as to the real method. It is not about using conditioner only. The no poo has a cleansing agent in it. And all the products were water soluble. When the company merged against Lorraine Massey’s will 6 years again, the new company found a new supplier for their ingredients and went cheap and who know what could’ve been in the ingredients from the new supplier. The company was bought again over 3 years ago. And again November 2019. There was nothing wrong with the original company. But yes, after the merger in November 2013 we noticed this change in fragrance, consistency, and buildup.
As I’m sure others have commented, the CG method is not about only co-washing. The recommendation is to cleanse your scalp once a week, maybe more depending on what types of products you use. Deva Curl recently changed their formula, I’m paraphrasing but they said, “We have made no major changes to the formula.” Which indicates that they have made minor changes.
It is 100% not the consumers fault that a brand that has been recommended for decades is now destroying their hair. It seems you did not do enough research on the CG method and only approached the topic from one viewpoint and made generalizations for all people that are suffering from Deva Curls negligence.
Some people weren’t even using the shampoo and conditioner, only styling products and they are still losing their hair.
I think u don't have any idea regarding this issue.. You haven't made a proper background research
How about you try the products for about a month and they show us how it turns out
There are lots of people who use Deva products and still use a sulfate shampoo once a month or so to remove build up. The curly girl method is not just about co-washing, it's also about avoiding all silicones. If you're not using cones you're not going to have to use an sls shampoo as often to remove build up. I co-wash with suave and have been for over a year and a half. I'm not experiencing any of these issues. It has nothing to do with co-washing, it's the Deva products themselves.
So everyone is having alopecia with mutual consent........