Oddity Archive: Episode 17 - Prehistoric Television
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Given how much we discuss TV around here, it seemed only just that we take a better look at its history. Also, a (somewhat unrelated) segment on video uses for audio tape!
I wish more pre-war bbc and american tv footage had survived.
And those old DuMont TV shows.. The one with captain video show was entertaining!
Another thing i would love to mention, if you ever played bit runner you know the main character is commander video. It's so weird that maybe
Captain video was inspiration for commander video? It seems so likely..
And more of the Associated-Rediffusion archive.
I Ike German tv
No matter how many times I watch this episode, that first Nazi clip about concert camps remains really unsettling. Especially with the host's unpleasant smile. I don't know how the average German viewers interpreted that broadcast back then, but I fail to see how any decent person could see all of that as a good thing.
+LuigiGodzillaGirl I knew that guy. He was a bastard and a half.
Crabby Old Gamer
Ok...
That was honestly the scariest thing I've ever seen. Not exaggerating.
I call bullshit on that clip.
Average Germans were scared.
Granted, an average German is easy to scare, but they knew what the Nazis were capable of.
Jeesh, even the Nazi variety show guy was fucking creeptastic. Of course, anyone sounds creepy talking about sending dissidents to camps for "re-education".
GeRmAnS FuCk InG SuCk G0I/NG
Cool thing about the C64 and other cassette based computers, Back in the 80's, software bootleggers would actually broadcast the data from, say, a game over the air from an unlicensed radio station or shortwave frequency.
Anybody who was in the know would record this off the air as a very primitive form of file-sharing.
I wanna bring that back. Imagine downloading skyrim from your radio, it would need like, hundreds of tapes though. The game is way too big.
I miss the bulletin board systems. Like a primitive localized internet, you could chat, read & send email and download programs. AOL, Prodigy and Compuserve had fancy systems but there were thousands of smaller BBSes out there, many covering specialized topics.
+Exarian I take it they broadcast it in a loop,
Crabby Old Gamer fghh
butt FIA
The amputee clip is like some weird Monty Python outtake.
As a side-note, I can tell you as a fluent German speaker that the dancing scene has some of the worst acting I have ever heard.
tunainoil I was confused at that part lol.
I'm almost certain that the Pythons saw some of these things and were inspired to make actual comedy of it.
You SERIOUSLY skipped on some things in the history of TV. For starters, you made no mention about Baird's "Phonovision" system, which was an early attempt at storing his 30-line video on to a phonograph disc; which also lead to a 4-minute amateur recording of some of the BBC's mechanical broadcasts,
You also let out mentions of the development of the CRT; something quit critical to electronic TV. In fact, you also left out mentions of Philo Farnsworth; the man who invented the image dissector, which was the very first form of electronic TV camera and from which further cameras were developed.
No, you left out these small mentions and jumped right from the mechanical era...to talking about the Nazi's as if they invented electronic TV. You were so worried about showing the Nazi propaganda you seem to have missed some important developments in the 20's, and make it seem like the Germans somehow magically invented electronic television.
He also skipped over the fact that there were also American stations in the 30s as well. Also he doesn't seem to even know about it.
Kristina Technically, there were; but they weren't commercial broadcast. The BBC did start the first regular TV service; everything we had over here were experimental.
What if ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were actually ancient TV guides?!
This deserves more likes
The Voynich Manuscript is instructions for programming a remote
rzeka That would be an amazing find if it were true as funny as it would also be. More than likely though, not.
Maybe Ogham?
And all the surviving ones said, "Tonight-- another exciting episode of YuGiOh! (rerun)"
In American school, people know I was born in Germany, and we did WW2, my teacher said “Today we’re going to talk about Nazis”, and everybody looked at me
Yikes! How did you deal with it?
Those BBC1 signals would be received in America again in the late forties, late fifties and 1979-1982 - high sunspot years. BBC1 picture was at 45MHz, a frequency that "had one foot in shortwave and the other in VHF".
You may find a 1979 recording on YT.
The 405-line broadcasts ended in 1985.
I always thought Ben's trigger warning was a bit OTT for this ep. But I've come to realize that perhaps Nazi imagery isn't quite so ubiquitous in North American culture as it is in the UK and Europe.
In the UK WW2 is a constant theme even today. Unlike the other ailed powers North America & Australia The UK was almost invaded, and if it wasn't for the valiant efforts of "the few" during the Battle of Britain when we stood alone, history could have been quite different. As a consequence History programmes on UK telly, often show Nazi propaganda, and images so over here we're used to it. Every Battle or anniversary is commemorated with news features or documentaries.
Perhaps to a North American audience this stuff can be creepy and unsettling.But personally I think it's important that we don't forget the pure evil of fascism and the Nazi party.
Perhaps it's like 9/11 here in the United States. There are countless videos of it on TH-cam, books of it on Amazon, and tons of info out on the internet about it. Also, each year when September 11 rolls around, TV networks (especially cable ones) seem to embrace the ra-ra sis boom ba at times. I am not disrespecting the cultural significance of the event, and the event will likely stay with me for the rest of my life (I was born on January 11 2001, exactly 8 months to the day before 9/11), but I am still a little perplexed how even after all these years, the event is still very much on our minds as Americans.
@@0111pokemonBecause it changed the entire world and the affects of 9/11 still reverberate over two decades later
A few years ago saw the 80th anniversary of the first proper television broadcasts in the the world, via the BBC (November 2nd, 1936). To celebrate this, the BBC made a new programme which recreated the BBC Television Service's opening night, which sought to recreate how this momentous new technology of television was created. Accordingly, they built two television systems - a recreation of a Baird mechanical system, and a Marconi electronic system. They managed to successfully recreate the technology, using period-accurate components, along with the content that was broadcast (a song, a dance and a piano recital). Back in the 1936, it wasn't immediately obvious which system would deliver the best quality images, so the BBC alternated between the Baird and Marconi systems on different nights, to determine which was best.
While the Marconi system was largely studio-bound, and required lots of lights, it was soon very obvious that it had considerable advantages over Baird's system. The picture definition was much higher (405 lines of resolution - considered "high definition" in 1936), while Baird's mechanical system had a much, much lower definition. The Marconi cameras were mobile for live television, whereas live Baird images could only be delivered by someone performing in a blackout box. To compensate for this, the Baird engineers built a telecine system. The song and dance numbers of Opening Night were captured on 16mm film, and then passed through a machine which exposed and developed the film, and then passing it before a Baird camera (which required a Nipkow scanning disc) and transmitting the resulting images. It wasn't quite 'live' television - the processing of the film took about seven minutes, and meant passing the film through a bath of sulphuric acid. Studio engineers found themselves passing out until gas-masks were worn.
As a result of all this, the trial was abandoned after three months, instead of the intended six and the BBC adopted the entirely electronic Marconi system. Interestingly, in their recreating of Opening Night, the celebratory programme investigated what it take to build a Baird television system that could deliver pictures as detailed as the Marconi systems - they calculated that it would require a Nipkow disc as large as the Alexandra Palace - the home of BBC Television at the time - rotating at an RPM speed to fast, it would have physically shaken the building to pieces.
As for Baird, he didn't stop there, and went on to make some important advances in colour television and higher definitions, again using mechanical systems, spinning prisms and mirrors. However, television as an industry never embraced his designs, as electronic television proved to be so much more reliable.
It was The Fools on the Hill
7:44 (ACTUAL NOISE IT MADE)
My little reference there had to be shared. Sorry.
Lol JonTron
ECH
this is old lol
One of those rare times when Oddity Archive takes a dark turn, but just for educational purposes.
I watch a lot of old weird footage and I'm numb to quite a lot of it, but the Nazi broadcasts actually made me physically nauseous. "Teach them to sing for their supper," he says. Chilling.
Chucky Baxter And you're a mindless edgelord.
@@chuckybaxter616 Because finding Nazi Brodcasts chilling is totally a weak response
Lmfao it was sarcasm based off the propaganda the allies were spreading
@@semiramisbonaparte1627 okay nazi
@@semiramisbonaparte1627 Riiiiiiight.
Wasn't just the nazis! Imperial Japan and fascist Italy had electronic television briefly in 1939 before the war intervened.
Oh as did the soviets starting 1938. But they had mechanical tv since 1934
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Quinton Reviews I was not expecting you here
Holy crap, it's Quinton from QuintonReviews!
I remember when I was living with my parents in a terraced house and in the garden I found an aluminium disc with holes drilled in it in a spiral. Years later I found out it was a Nipkow disc. It was perhaps 8-10 inches in diameter. We never had mechanical t.v. and my parents wouldn't have lived there at that time so it must have been a previous owner. I wonder if it's still there or corroded by now. It's over 50 years ago since I found it, that must have been in the mid to late 60's when I first saw it. I wish I'd picked it up and kept it but at the time I didn't know what it was.
Since you've done a mini-sode on TV DX'ing, the 1938 freak reception incident is an example of E-skip propagation, which is like usual DX propagation except the waves bounce off the E layer of the atmosphere instead of the higher F layer and allows for much longer distances.
The TV guide for WNBT includes its schedule for the very first day of commercial TV in the U.S., July 1, 1941.
And the '60s kinescopes you mentioned were distributed to stations the hadn't yet "hooked up" to the network for live programming, such as in Alaska and Hawaii.
iamnomad101 More like F2 skip for the BBC TV program shown. The transmitter at Alexandra Palace used frequencies around 41 MHz for the audio and video signals. That is well within the 30 to 60 MHz range that F2 skip can occur in during solar maximums. Normally this is not found in the low VHF range but it does happen and actually happened in 2000 and 2001 during a previous solar cycle.
Yes, it was F2 skip, possible because BBC1 was at a lower frequency (41.5 MHz sound and 45.0 MHz picture) than American television and because sunspots (causing ionization of the ionosphere) were plentiful in late 1938.
The ghosting in the picture is indicative of F2 skip. Ghosting happens with E-skip, but is usually far less severe.
In Hawaii, we didn't have live national network TV till the first satellite broadcast in 1966. And even after that, it took until the late 1970s for all programming to finally go satellite. All our network shows had to be flown out to us as kinescopes or (after 1958) 2" videotape reels. Thus all our nighttime programs were a week behind North America, so we saw the Christmas-themed episodes of variety shows (for example) a week late.
iamnomad101 basically all stations west of chicago used kinescopes
The 1937 content "crossed the pond" not by E-skip, rather by F2 skip.
Sporadic-E usually produces "skips" of about 1600km (1000 miles)
In 1979, a peak solar cycle year, Low-VHF TV stations did appear in the Eastern USA by F2 skip. Almost nobody in the US had a receiver that could handle the vastly differences between BBC stations (peak power for white, no power for black, 405 lines versus 525 lines, and AM sound instead of FM.
Lacking any British market TV, I was able to hear the audio (45.0 MHz).
In fact, you can listen to it on my YT channel.
If it's prehistoric, why is there a recorded history of it?
Hyperbole.
Oh for f**** sake who cares.
Fuck off, fedora tipper!
Also, Baird recorded his television signals on records. He called it "Phonovision."
I'm pretty sure the 1989 German clip wasn't East German because the logo is NDR which stands for norddeutscher rundfunk which would be based in Hamburg West Germany at the time.
"drammss" was an East German youth program in the late 1980's. This footage, broadcast on West German NDR, was most likely part of a GDR documentation.
The thing about those Nazi clips is that in the first clip the announcer looked thoroughly unpleasant when euphemising about concentration camps, there's no way you could watch him and think for one moment that he's trying to portray that as a good thing. Also towards the end the great pains they were making that amputees CAN STILL LIVE A FULL LIFE DAMMIT was because the Nazis had banged on forever about how the disabled were less than the Aryan ideal ...then German soldiers starting coming back from the war disabled having fought to defend the glorious Reich, which was so awkward even the Nazis noticed.
I've read elsewhere that East German TV was rarely watched by anyone as West German TV was available across East Germany everywhere except Dresden. The East Germans couldn't jam the signal like any other Communist state because their jamming would have also blocked the signal in West Germany, so they first picked a different picture standard (the West Germans invented PAL so the East Germans went with the French SECAM) forcing the East Germans to watch Western TV in black and white and get them converted to dual standard on the black market in so many number that they just gave up and sold dual standard TVs. Then they'd have teachers ask their children to draw the clock that appeared on TV before the news (so they could find those families who watched un-Socialist TV) finally, they decided that "re-educating" the majority of the population would be too expensive and bring back too many bad memories of what came before that they'd just make a "review" of West German TV basically trashing it. You could say the Stasi invented TH-cam Poop!
Also the 1989 clip, I'm not sure if that was an NDR original archive clip or NDR playing an archive clip from East German TV, but NDR (Nord Deutsches Rundfunks) was a West German broadcaster.
In my home we had analogue Sky TV which shared its satellite with loadds of German TV channels, hence my ability to bore on about German TV.
I find it interesting that East Germany only differentiated themselves from the west by using SECAM, which is already odd considering that most citizens of the DDR couldn't afford color television sets. It wouldn't have made a difference!
It would've been more effective to use the Soviet channel layout, which was quite a bit different than the western bandplan. Western channels were 7 MHz wide, but Soviet channels were 8 MHz. They also had different frequency allocations, so the eastern channels wouldn't line up with western channels.
The "BBC Television Service" first opened up in November 1936. It was only on air for two hours a day (and not the same two hours - it ran in slots) and you could only receive it in certain parts of London and nowhere else.
It stopped at the beginning of World War II and didn't come back until 1946. It was later known as "BBC Television" up to 1964 when BBC 2 first launched (its own launch night was ruined by a power cut and had to be redone the following night), then both channels became BBC1 and BBC 2.
In 1967 BBC 2 became Europe's first regular colour TV channel - again, you could only get the colour part if you lived in certain parts of London and had a LOT of money. BBC 1 didn't get colour until late 1969 and the BBC slapped the word "COLOUR" over everything up to 1975 to try and incentivise people into upgrading their sets.
The US actually had colour TV before the UK did, even though the UK was first to have television as a whole. Some countries didn't have ANY television until the 1950s or even beyond.
Clarissa McPigeon
In particular, South Africa did not broadcast television until 1975. This also gave SA the distinction of being the only country to never experience black-and-white television.
@@1L6E6VHF "...the only country to never experience black-and-white television." Well, of course! Black and white were prohibited from being in contact with each other in South Africa.
The USA had color TV in the 1950s although it grew very slowly. This was because the color TV sets were substantially more expensive, and only one TV network (of the three that existed then) was showing color shows - and not many of them, either. Finally in 1966 all three networks committed to all-color programming for their primetime nighttime hours, which then increased color TV sales.
My sister's best friend's family had a color TV in 1960, which was a big deal. I don't remember seeing a color TV till we got one for Christmas 1963. That was pretty exciting and amazing.
The BBC experimented with the American colour tv system in the 1950's. The general opinion was it had many flaws, bad inconsistent colour that would drift into the wrong hue, less sharp pictures and contrast in comparison with black and white, and also part of the normal picture was missing due to the shape of the roundie screens that had to be used in early colour sets due to the limitations of the time regarding manufacturing colour crt's.
Therefore the BBC decided to wait until a better, more reliable system came along capable of displaying much better, sharper, stable, natural colours on proper shaped screens. The BBC, as did most of Europe, settled on the Pal system, which solved the problems associated with the NTSC colour system. Hats off to the USA for being first in the field, but perhaps in retrospect it'd have been better to have waited a while to overcome its inherent faults first before introducing it to the public. Once introduced the American people were stuck for years with a less than perfect system.
You should probably do an episode on the CBS field sequential color system. CBS didn't want to be beholden to RCA (who owned NBC at the time) for color broadcasting so they developed a system that was a hybrid of electronic TV and a rotating color wheel to present color images. That, as you can imagine, flopped big time. CBS had actually started color broadcasting and had manufactured about 200 TV sets. They sold about half of them.
Wasn't the CBS color system completely incompatible with the 525 line B&W standard?
kargaroc386 Totally. RCA wanted to make sure that their color system was backwards compatible with the B&W system already in place. CBS was the last hold out of the big three networks that went to NTSC color, kicking and screaming all the way.
It's actually kind of a shame, as the CBS color system did have better color reproduction than NTSC as they didn't have to shoehorn the color signal into the existing signal.
It also matched the the 24 frames per second of film, so telecines would be higher quality. And if really needed, the individual color frames could've been different, leading to 72fps video, though obviously you couldn't do color at that framerate.
Also, later on there would've been fully electronic sets that used the standard without a color wheel, essentially making it the same anyway.
The only people who owned TVs in 1951 were usually the rich people, who would've been able to afford new sets anyway.
Steven Smyth Actually, ABC was the last when American Bandstand went to color on September of 1967
I believe that all of these early failed color TV sets were bought back from the people who had purchased them, also. I don't think any survived.
By the way vey interesting historical documents there
My German history teacher would be jealous!
the 1938 british tv image looked like it had an episode of doctor who on it. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
+brick brainiac America's first taste of the Doctor.
He is a time traveler.
Doctor Who was created 3 decades later...
No, it wasn't the Wire
It wasn't just Commodore machines but almost every 'Home Computer' of that era had a cassette peripheral. Most notably - at least to me, because they were the ones I owned! - the 8-Bit Atari machines, the various ZX Spectrums along with Amstrad and many others. Several even had the tape recorder built in to the case. Many retro enthusiasts these days say they hated tape and at the time its foibles irritated me a good deal also. However to be honest I quite like the... blending of worlds it brings. The - again, for its era - cool, space-age technology connected to the mind-numbingly slow cassette input/output.
Ah yes Atari, they may have messed up big time on video games but they sure did create a light for what we have today
minecraftdude456
The 8-Bit home computers were well ahead of their time. Just the hardware handling of sprites or 'player/missile graphics' was available five year before the C64 one-upped it. POKEY sound and the daisy-chainable forerunner to USB called 'SIO' were amazing innovations for the late seventies.
The biggest failure Atari ever had was to sell out to that Trammel dude. He gutted the company, cancelling the 1450XLD - which would have been the pinnacle to the home computer market ten years before PC's became commonplace. The slew of other peripherals that were shit-canned on his authority is just heartbreaking. All we got were the distinctly lack lustre 'XE' machines and the pretty decent 'XF551' drive. The real hardware roadmap was siphoned off in to Trammel's Amiga platform. Just terrible.
It depends when you define the era, and which country you're talking about. It seems cassettes were far more popular in some countries than others.
Here in NZ from about 1984 my father bought an amstrad, and borrowed an archimedes and bbc at least - none used tape. Likewise I can only remember seeing one computer that had a tape drive, when visiting friends houses.
The IBM PC5150, the original PC, had a cassette interface.
This was extremely interesting! The Nazi stuff was so disturbing though.
Especially the amputee races... >_>
WTF? I went to eBay about two hours ago to look for a Fisher Price PXL2000, and ended up buying a copy of "Longview" by Green Day on vinyl.... Fucking internet!
(PS- Those little PXL2000 fuckers are EXPENSIVE! They average $150!)
Hipster video makers love them. I bought one for shitz n giggles for $5.00 at a thrift store in the early 90s. (wish I had it for sale today!😝). They require high bias (chrome) tape and eat batteries at an astounding rate. They are ÓTOH quite historic, They were the first consumer digital (the video is digital,sound analog) video camcorder in the US market. Pretty "techy" for a toy of the late 1980s!
Wrong Alexander Bain, you mean this guy:
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org(slash)wiki(slash)Alexander_Bain_(inventor)
The guy you mention in your video was actually a philosopher.
Only you could start with Nazi TV and end up with hilarious East German dancers dancing to Milli Vanilli. Where is that clip from, I am searching the net for it as its fucking hilarious.
I'm risking an observation here based on memory, without looking at the source again. If I'm mistaken, tell me nicely. In the TV adaptation of The Man In The High Castle there is an early scene in the American Nazi's home. People are watching a television broadcast and the image is interrupted by regular "swipes" across the screen, which I believe would show us that the Germans were still using a mechanical system. That was not repeated in following episodes. And scenes with television imagery in the Japanese occupied western states showed transmissions in high def color. I thought those were nice details.
First of all congrats to your videos. I like how you present and i like your humour. You invest a lot of your time in creating those clips and you probably spend several hours and days just for a clip of 15 minutes. Thank you so much for your work. With regards to this episode I think you have somehow mixed up the different technical developments of early television. In the beginning there was just pure mechanical TV with either Nipkow Disc or others (e.g.mirror wheels) and then there was a half mechanical and half electronical „transition phase“ where mechanical Nipkow discs were used to capture but CRTs to display, as Vladimir Zworykin‘s Iconoscope and Philo Farnsworths pure electronic camera tube were not ready yet (and not really sensitive, hence they still used the film-intermediate-system until 1937). Greetings from Switzerland
MILLI VANILLI IM CRYING
0:30 Torgo! After the movie he went on to deliver pizza to Dr. Clayton Forrester and Frank and then was working as a guide for the newly passed over and led Frank to the light beyond. Such a sweet little satyr.
There were cable based subscription TV systems in New York starting around 1928-30 (depending on what source you use). Also MANY early home computer systems used audio cassettes for recording data.
Had one for my VIC-20, which was the little sibling of the Commodore 64.
Nunnayah Beeswax They all used cassette drives. The IBM 5150 has a cassette connection in the back. I've seen old dumb terminals with cassette decks.
525Lines Didn't realize higher end systems did regular ol' audio-cassette style data storage too. Figured anything nicer at the time would've been using floppies.
Nunnayah Beeswax The IBM 5150 had a connection for a cassette drive but could be bought with diskette drives and 10 megabyte hard drive. I think the PC jr also had a cassette drive connection.
I'm enjoyng your videos so much. Don't worry about Nazi videos. They are a part of history and should be seen and not covered up.
9:46 is honestly the scariest fucking thing I have ever seen.
+OddityArchive: Ben, if I may call you so; I understand you might've found certain aspects of this episode to be 'difficult' but, I applaud you - unlike other people (such as the christian/mormon extremists in the 'Nanny Box' episode who sought to censor), you went forward. It's sad - because part of 'freedom' is understanding that for ANY person to single-handedly 'decide what's good, what's bad', is DANGEROUS.
Just as the aforementioned extremist christians and mormons do this - so do so-called 'leftists' - it's NOT something a single group, or type of group does.
But, Ben, I think you've shown a good understanding of what it means to be 'balanced' in these 'lessons'.
Keep up the good work.
A fan.
There is a lot of maths and physics need to describe TV signals. And in Australia, our annual TV awards are called the "Logies". In 2014, they will be held on April 27. German TV requires everything broadcast to be in German, including programs not aimed at children. That means for example, the TV show "Cops" would be dubbed with German audio. It gives "Cops" a sinister Nazi era look!
The thumbnail spooked me lmao
I wanna start a shock rock band and do our makeup like those very early tv performers. it'd be perfect.
This is awesome. That ur tv was creepy and awesome, then you throw in some nazies badda-bing-badda-boom evil tv ghosts best episode ever all the rest.
Seriously that really early stuff was crazy. Melies' movies don't even look like that.
Dude! When HD was about to hit, I bought an antenna to go with my crt HDTV.
I'm in New London CT. On the right night, I could tune in Maine to the north. I could hit Norfolk VA to the south. New York, and Boston would frequently come in.
I could never get channel three, in my own state.
11:19 No way that guy is an amputee. We don't even have the technology to allow for that now.
Don't be silly, TV never lies to you!
The Baird BBC system of 1934 used 180 lines horizontal for direct, and 240 lines horizontal for film intermediate, and variations thereof. The 30 line system was surpassed in 1930.
Do Medieval TV plz
When I saw the clip about the German Concentration Camps, it instantly reminded me about a game that's in development called, "We Happy Few". The guys speech and manner is really similar to that of the guy you see frequently on the TVs of the game. Makes me wonder if they used that clip as inspiration for that character in the game.
13:32- WNBT- and in its previous experimental incarnation, "W2XBS" [through June 1941; it officially became "WNBT" on July 1st], scheduled a lot of older independent "B" movies to fill time on their limited schedules; the major movie studios refused to allow "Channel 1" to telecast even their most recent films, because they had already perceived television as a threat to weekly movie attendance at the theaters they owned or controlled. This is what "Death From A Distance" (1935), as seen on July 2, 1941, looked like: th-cam.com/video/8uaCrAd_3_M/w-d-xo.html
I've had sprinkled replies throughout this thread for years, but this is the first time I've been able to stop and PROPERLY TAG BENNY-BOY for this....
By the time WW2 ended there were 3 US CITIES that had TV COMMERCIAL LICENSES GIVEN BY THE FCC (founded in 1932), but Chicago WASN'T ONE OF THEM.
The first US TV Commercial License given to a Chicago station was AFTER WW2, like many other US cities. The replacement for Chicago in (13:30) Benny-boy's list was Schenectady (if you don't want to botch its' spelling or pronunciation just say Albany, the capital of New York State, which is the metro area where is inside of), NY's GE-founded station.
Here are the only 5 Commercial TV licenses given before the end of WW2:
1- WNBT now WNBC (4-1, NBC) NYC RCA 7/1/1941 130pm
2- WCBW now WCBS (2-1, CBS) NYC CBS 7/1/1941 2pm
3- WPTZ now KYW (3-1, CBS) Philly Philco 9/1/1941
4- WRGB* (6-1, CBS) Albany GE 2/26/1942
5- WABD now WNYW (5-1, FOX) NYC DuMont 5/2/1944
* only station of the 5 still using THE ORIGINAL CALL SIGN given by the FCC, initials of the GE engineer in charge and THE LONGEST LASTING IN US TV HISTORY.
Found you recently...there's something very "Ernie Kovaks" about you. Guessing you're younger than most of your material, which I wouldn't expect.
I got a PXL 2000 for Christmas back in 1988. Yeah it only did black and white. It was really crappy quality but it was fun to use.
The Nazi television clips were eye-opening. They're not subtle and you can notice the slight against the "foreign-born" musicians being sent to "concert camps" and measuring the blond girl's (Aryan) head. Wish I had seen this in school.
Television in Nazi Germany feels like a weird alternate reality, like a slight Wolfenstein feel to it.
As many people know though the tv footage of the 1936 Olympic Games was used in the plot of Sagan's Contact.
Please please PLEASE tell me where I can watch more of "Disko-Tanz-Tips mit Mona und Maik"! That looks so incredibly bad I just have to see it in full!!
The 1956 clip of the two ladies singing, was that the Telefunken Twins?
Also, how can I get my hands on one of them '38 Macaroni tv's? I like them thar sets.
To be honest, even though there was supposed to be a end credit music, I find the silence at the end eerie and creepy. Especially after Ben asked "Does TV watch you?" Followed by "Sweet dreams." Defiantly, almost Night Vale-ian in nature.
Your the man Torgo! Kick it to the curb Torgo! I know Torgo you watch the place while the Master is away! You go Torgo! Hey - the best thing that ever happened to T.V. was the quarter meter plan!
Can anyone tell me any info or where to find the rest of the clip at 12:08?
The TRS80 computer in the early 80's was also able to use tape media for storage and that was before the 5 1/4 inch floppy. Commodore 64 and the CoCo computer were the popular choices...
You should have given a clear warning before this footage at 12:12! I can't bleach my eyes.
11:48 -- Lucy, I'm hoooome!
11:40 Meh. Not much different from the crap you see on all major networks today.
after nipkov there was a spot, several years with no new ideas, it will be awesome that tv was actually invented in the 19 century
5:57 - Why does the sod keep rolling his eyes back into his head? Is he possessed?
No. Apparently he was looking up, the thirty-line resolution of the mechanical television did not allow many movements.
Where the hell did you go to school with only FOUR classes?
"w" must be silent
Believe me I'm German
If he'd be a polish guy it'd be not silent but therefore he's German clearly silent.
Sry I commented on the wrong vid and think I did the same comment few years ago as well in the right one
DONT FUCK ME FOR BEING DRUNK
Gosh you were such a chicken about the nazi stuff
Yes, they use to destroy tapes of shows all the time, because there was no such thing as reruns or nostalgia, that or everything was broadcasted live.
Doctor Who (early black and white seasons) are a good example of this!
9:01 notice the early German TV set has a mirror! Years and years ago I saw a really good documentary called "TV Under The Swastika" about early German TV, it's highly recommended!
2 inch videotape came into professional use in 1958, and because it was expensive, tapes would be erased and re-used. 16mm film copies of TV shows got thrown away when they were damaged from repeated showings, or when they had no likely economic value to show again. But LOTS of old shows were broadcast on local televisions stations in the USA to fill airtime during the day, or late at night, along with old movies. So this was a reason to preserve old shows.
The picture tubes in the really early 1930s TVs were so huge that the only way to mount them in a cabinet that could fit in somebody's home was vertically. Then the only way anyone could watch was to look at the reflection of the screen in the mirrored mounted in the top of the cabinet. The American TVs of this time period were the same.
09:20 By that logic bye bye NASA
I suspect that the pale blonde 13-year-old Angelika having her head measured at 10:28 was pronounced to be a perfect specimen of the superior Aryan stock of Germany, which was destined to rule the world under the leadership of the Nazis. That part got cut here, or so I believe.
You are talking about east German television at 11:55, but are showing West German Television ;). N3 is the predecessor of NDR, both shown in succession. DDR1 and DDR2 are the only East German stations. DDR1 was named DFF at the time of reunion before it was shut down entirely.
Fun fact: East German TV used French SECAM, but used PAL internally, due to PAL's ability to mix two signals.
A lot of the early NASA TV only exists on Kinoscope. They would record on video tape and then make a Kinoscope copy. I believe that NASA taped over a lot of their early stuff after making the Kinoscope (the video tapes of the Apollo 11 moonwalk for example were taped over). The Kinoscopes were always a step down in quality from the original video tape.
The song that plays during the Disko Tanz Tips segment is super fire. Unfortunately, I can't find a source. Something made for the program, I guess.
Nope, it's a real song. I had to be sure of the instrumental before I could post this. The name of the song you're looking for is "Girl You Know It's True" by Milli Vanilli.
Ah, thanks!
We have always been at war with Oceania.
I remember wanting a PXL2000 when I was a kid, but my mother, for some God awful reason, kept giving me a flat-out NO!
UPDATE: ...and I understand why.
9:45-10:20 Holy fucking Christ. I feel like I need a long shower.
About the Nazi propaganda, at least it shows, how cynical they were. But I guess, at this time few Germans could recognize it.
15:05, there is still a few epsidoe from "The New American Bandstand" that have kinescopes from the late 1960s and early 1970s. Plus, there are also some kinescopes for "The Newleywed Game" dating from the same time period.
Torgo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We had one of those cassete players for the programs on the TRS-80 in the early 1980's too!
2:49 32 holes.
Superb documentary, tho. Thanks.
Some enthusiasts for the 30 line Baird system made electronically scanned Baird format TV, and even in color, obtaining pretty decent results even compared well to today's raster scan video.
The oddball BBC broadcast being filmed in New York clearly was not from a 1930s television like the one shown at 12:50. This clearly has a round picture tube screen, as all very early TVs did, while the film footage obviously shows a rectangular TV image. And despite the narrator's claim, there has to be amateur film footage of a TV screen from before the 1950s, considering that American television increased so dramatically starting in 1947-1948. Amateur 8mm and 16mm movie cameras to shoot home movies were quite common in the US then.
Television has always used rectangular images, even with round picture tubes. With the exception of "bug-eye" sets the tops and bottoms of round tubes weren't used.
Is it just me or were those German TV dancers at around 12:24 dancing to an instrumental version of "Girl You Know It's True" by Milli Vanilli?
...which both "members" (if you know the story behind them, you'll know why I put it that way) happen to be German.
@@syxepop All I can say about that is that Frank Farian is a fucking scumbag.
@@VSigma725 - you mean the one who led the 2 "Milli Vanilli" German dancers into that SCAM? If so, yeah!
@@syxepop He also pulled a similar scam a decade earlier with the disco group Boney M, what a piece of shit.
From the daze when they controlled the vertical more than the horizontal...
Wow, great video!
Was expecting to learn about television signal, and learned about a lot of virtue signal too!
Way to pick 10 seconds of (attempted compassion) from a 20-minute video. Love your band, by the way--but dump that Exene gal, she's dead weight.
ECH.
You can also put video on cassette tape.,
Why is episode 11 after this episode?
I believe there's a 78rpm record with some early BBC TV footage recorded on it
Several home-recordings of BBC TV broadcasts from 1932-35 exist, on 78rpm discs; but mostly just small snippets.
9:46 -- Wow, that's frightening...
I absolutely love this channel!!
405-line TV System ....
I have an c64 modem in the basement
Sandi Lorenz WHY MUST EVERY COMMENT’S POSTER’S PROFILE PICTURE FIT THE COMMENT SO WELL!!!!????
some magic!
Sandi Lorenz Watch as I work my gypsy magic!
as it is I, the amizing! stalker pinkie!
Ah.. the 80's.
German television is odd.
Excellent video!
7:30 bet you cant do that with an 8-track.
+Derek Roberts ..I see no reason why not, it is also a magnetic medium.
what was that song at 12:21 ?
right, i forgot. thanks.