Have you been watching our travel series? This is the fourth of five videos all about the hidden design details, trends, and systems in travel! So far we’ve looked at big boats, trains, RVs, and American automobiles … and last but not least? Planes! See you next week!
Not gonna lie, I can't wait for another "Titanic" catastrophe. "She was unsinkable!" "We don't need lifeboats for EVERYBODY." "Nobody could have foreseen such a tragedy." "It was a freak accident, nobody is at fault."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi there, my name is Grant and I am an architectural designer based in Washington Dc, and graduate scholar from Penn State University. My research is focused on ocean liners and architecture and the roll ocean liners played in inspiring the primary architectural philosophy of modernism. I wanted to point out that the graphic shown at 3:30 shows the Titanic and a quoted speed of 30 knots when the Titanic's top speed was actually 23 knots. A more appropriate graphic would have been of the RMS Queen Mary which had a cruising speed of 28.5 knots and top speed of 32 knots. On another note, the impact that ocean liners had on modern architecture, and particularly the architect Le Corbusier, is actually very interesting and would make for a great video. For example, mid century public housing is largely based on a design ideology derived from the ocean liner!
Cruise ships are nice but kinda miss the romanticism and sense of adventure that come with ocean liners though. Preferably without icebergs or U-boats along the way.
White privilege. Icebergs and U-boats should have been a humbling experience but greedy people never learn. Can't wait for the next 'titanic' catastrophe that cleanses the world of human garbage.
Don’t get me wrong, I love oceangoing and even cruise ships - once had a wonderful trip on the then-largest ship in the world, Oasis of the Seas - but there’s something…wasteful about them, like the feeling you get when you order a desert at a restaurant when you’re already fit to burst. So much luxury and opulence crammed into a vessel that consumes so much just to stay afloat, all to be one day decommissioned instead of just placing all of that ashore where it might last. It might have been justified if these ships were actually taking you somewhere, but those days seem long over.
There could well come a time that ships like these become comfortable but slow alternatives to planes, and their inherent weight makes them more amenable to battery power. Electric cruises could be a real game changer for everyone, and you don't need to decommission old ships to do it. Retrofitting is nothing new.
No, almost all ships are scrapped or sunk. Take examples of Navy Ships. Many Super-Dreadnoughts that survived World War 2 were replaced by Battleships, which means that the dreadnoughts were scrapped. Soon, battleships were scrapped.
I recently read a story that a cruise ship in the Netherlands is currently housing refugees. It’s docked in or near Rotterdam and is used as a refugee housing. Very useful way to provide shelter for those in need of it if you ask me
Hoever the refugees like it so much that they refuse to move into available houses while the common dutch civilian has 0 possibillity to buy or rent a house.
You're just too lazy. You have access to the internet, the cumulative knowledge of all mankind. A grade school kid could do a project just sourcing Wikipedia.
According to an analysis, one individual on a typical cruise ship emits roughly 421.43kg of CO² per day. Alternatively, one individual staying in a high-end hotel, using carbon-heavy transportation and choosing higher carbon activities emits "just" 81.33 kg of CO² per day. So yeah. It's pretty bad.
@@timotheataeShips owned by the Carnival Corporation emit 10 more sulfur dioxide than all European cars. Airplanes are obviously terrible for the environment, but at least they provide a necessary function.
Me and me family went for a cruise on board the Sea Diamond in 2007. Two weeks after our trip, the Sea Diamond sank on 4/5/2007. We were honestly shocked that the ship we just sailed on was now under the sea. We were considering going on an Italian cruise in 2012, but the sinking of the Costa Concordia changed our minds.
@@Shadow-bk1im that's right. a satellite fell on my house back in 2009. I thought the chances of it happening a second time were extremely low but it happened 10 more times
I'm a bit sad that the ocean liner has come and gone. Although having nowhere near the amenities and comforts of a modern cruise ship and largely obsolete, there is something amazing about the graceful curves and sleek profile of an ocean liner, as opposed to the inelegant, almost absurd looks of today's condominiums at sea. I love cruising, but I feel like it is a wasteful, ethically dubious industry which may not survive the privations of climate change and cutbacks. With flying suffering similar challenges, I do wonder if ocean liners may have a chance to shine once again- but I'm not holding my breath.
I like the idea of ocean liners, the QM2 is bucket list material. Contrary to how Vox portrays things though, there are still many ships that regularly embark passengers for trans-oceanic journeys. Typically, these craft are freight ships (container ships) that have 6-12 cabins for non-crew passengers, rather than being a dedicated passenger vessel. It's not exactly the same as travelling by ocean liner, but very much a different experience from being on a floating mall that essentially drives around in a circle at sea.
There are still a lot of "ocean liner" You can go from Japan to South Korea by ships. China to Japan by ships. In Indonesia they combine ocean liner with vehicle carrier. This video too focused of Western market. Ocean liner still alive and well..
@@falsch4761 I think the distinction there is that most of those trips are day trips, not requiring cabins for passengers. Usually in the west we'd call those ferries rather than ocean liners. Ferries and car RORO vessels are still passenger transport though, that's true.
@@falsch4761 Yes, I am aware of carferries and cruiseferries- they are popular not just in Asia but in the Baltic, I've seen them before and they are quite cool. Nevertheless, an Ocean Liner does not just cross small straits or inland seas but do vast transoceanic crossings at dizzying speed- SS United States' top speed was 38.32 knots, or 70 km/hr.
Interesting. Ive never been on a big cruise ship myself, but in Scandinavia where I'm from we do have a lot of ferries on long overnight journeys that are about the same size as smaller cruise ships. Heck one of the ships on my nearest route, the Pearl Seaways (built in 1989) from Copenhagen to Oslo, did have a brief stint as a cruise liner sailing out of Hong Kong and Singapore around the turn of the millenium before being converted back into a car ferry as originally designed. Still while these trips have a very practical purpose, they're also incredibly popular for "minicruises". Ferry companies like DFDS have figured out they can fit their ships out with restaurants, night clubs, arcades and a small pool, and sell round trip tickets, so one can get on in Copenhagen, spend the night onboard, wake up in Oslo, explore the city for a few hours, and then travel back to Copenhagen. These minicruises have become incredibly popular, especially with how much more affordable such short trips are compared to a full cruise for a week or even just half a week.
Yes, that sounds nice. Then you don't have to travel at night and sleep terribly, or spend the money on another night at a hotel, just to leave the next morning.
@@Iudicatio Yeah. Honestly though if you want quick travel through the night, then night trains are better, since you can also leave later and arrive earlier, but the night train between Copenhagen and Oslo was discontinued over 20 years ago, and political discussions to revive it have gone nowhere.
@@drdewott9154 I don't know if the night trains in Scandinavia are better, but when I mentioned sleeping terribly I also meant the trains in Germany. There are no sleeping cars and it's the same as sleeping in the car or the bus.
Here, on the other side of the world, it's not even an overnight ferry but BC ferries now has a Vacations portion including hotels for trips. We do have an overnight route, but it's 16h.
Thank you so much for making the difference between "liners" and "cruise" ships. Nothing makes my historical ocean liner loving heart hurt than hearing the Titanic called a "cruise" ship.
My family went on cruises in the Mediterranean and they were some of my best childhood memories. While the ships themselves were great with good entertainment and food, the big draw for us was the day trips to different European cities such as Rome, Nice, Pisa, Naples, and Barcelona. We got to see all the sites in those cities during the day, which is much more convenient and cost-effective than planning several world-spanning vacations in Europe to different countries. I can't imagine how boring it would be to just cruise across the Atlantic for a week or visit another Caribbean beach every day. Cruise ships can still be about the destination, just with a new destination every day!
I think in the US at least, Alaskan cruises are the best. Couple stops in Alaska with amazing scenery and icebergs. Then a stop or two in Canada as well, Vancouver I think. On the other hand Caribbean cruises are pretty boring, the scenery is much the same, beaches and sun, and I felt bad for the mostly poor locals in contrast with all the luxury of a cruise.
There's a limit to ships before it loses its sparkle. Keep in mind, you're on a ship that, at max capacity, serves well over 5000 people; amenities don't expand or shrink with demand; they're static. If all those 5000+ people want to eat at the same time, there will be lines, wait times for tables, and slow service. If all those 5000+ people want to be out in the sun, you're likely to not find any space at all. Getting on or off the ship is a pain. Bigger is not necessarily better. And that's not even taking into account the amount of fuel needed to move that floating city or all the wasted food (oh yes...many passengers are notorious for leaving half-eaten meals on their plates).
I disagree. I went 3 times on a cruise ships and even tho it can get crowded at the pool there is still so many things to do that it is hardly noticable there is so many ppl on the boat. As they said there are like 5-9 restaurants on the boat and one of them is open 24/7. Also not to mention there are sport fields,gym,casino,caffes....
I also disagree. Theres cruise ship that service a whole 3 decks in ONE restaurant for passengers, not to mention(I forgot how) that they recycle their wasted foods and there’s a whole lot of restaurants used for passengers, some more Italian based for Italian passengers. I agree it’ll get more crowded but aren’t they able to limit the amount of passengers coming to that cruise ship? And besides, you pay more money if you want to spend another day in that cruise ship. That’s how they’re able to load literally more than 1 million dollars worth of food on the cruise ship while also paying their staff that work 24/7.
I thought the idea of a cruise "ship" was to experience the ocean. If all your doing is malls, spas, buffets and gambling then why not just go to Vegas.
Hard to generalize because there's a lot of different types of cruises, both in terms of ships and destinations. If you can understand the appeal of a resort vacation though, then understand the appeal of a resort where you wake up in a different location every day, and also understand the appeal of being out on the ocean, then you can understand the appeal of a cruise. Besides that, cruises tend to be really affordable vacations if you want them to be (unless you're solo). They're also very simple to plan, all you really need to plan out is how to get to the ship and what you're doing for excursions, since food/lodging/transportation is all otherwise included in the fare. The huge megaships have a very diverse set of activities so they can be really well suited for families, Royal Caribbean's Icon is very clearly targeting that market. There's some other situational advantages, for example since I live around NYC a cruise is a vacation I can take public transportation to.
There is a bit of a shift in design philosophy now where the public spaces are trying to bring the ocean in a bit. Big tall windows and atriums that actually show the ocean etc. I mean if you’re going to be on the ship for 7 or 14 days, there is genuinely only so long one can look at the ocean and do nothing else.
Not all cruise ships are Vegas at sea. Mostly that's NCL (the 'Norway' is rolling over in its watery grave) and Carnival and its subsidiary, Costa, and its copy, MSC. Tacky, tacky, tacky. As well as 'Norway', I've been on Celebrity and Princess ships; they're comfortable and elegant, without letting you forget you're at sea. No malls. No water parks. No mini-golf or go-carts.
Just an FYI for anyone that sees this, Meraviglia might be the largest ship to dock in NYC but that’s because the docks can’t support the much bigger ships that instead dock in New Jersey, like Oasis of the Seas.
Its amazing how big both ships and planes have gotten over the decades as populations have gone way up. Amazing how they can stay in the air or in this case the water.
And I think we've fallen back into the mindset that a ship will never sink, just because they are bigger and more modern. Look at the one 'opening' in 2024. How everyone can safely evacuate a ship of that size is beyond me.
@@V3ntilator There are never enough lifeboats because lifeboats have requirements as to where they can be mounted on the sides of a ship and that they need to be able to be lowered from deck height to the ocean. That said, maritime law requires cruise ships to be able to accommodate 75% of it's passengers into lifeboats, with the crew and the remaining passengers to be evacuated into rafts. Rafts are smaller, can be folded up when not in use and then deployed en masse directly into the water where they can be accessed via chutes.
Love the history of the ocean liner being a mode of transport, but also love the modern cruise ships being a destination in themselves! Can't wait to go on Queen Mary 2 this September, followed by Symphony of the Seas a few months after!
This is the best summary of the differences between an ocean liner and a cruise ship I've ever encountered. Sadly, this is the way the world goes. We don't build movie palaces anymore, we build cineplexes. We don't build castles, we build condos. It's sad to see the ocean liner going extinct, when the Queen Mary 2 is retired, I'm sure there won't be another. But these were all built for different eras. Time marches forward for better or worse.
I’ve been on 4 large cruise ships and I love them. There is just so much to do on them and you get really good value out of it. Transportation, unlimited food, entertainment, and housing all for one price (which can be less than $100 dollars per person per day).
Does anyone else think this series is way too short? I'm loving all the transportation series but it's way to short in scope. This video should've been twice as long!
Ocean liner: built to plough the rough ocean, keep up with ocean traffic schedule, and got the elegance. Cruise ship: Giant, towering, blocky, floating apartment for pleasure cruises. CMIIW
@@urotaion9879 all her routes are cruises pretty much. The Atlantic crossing is also. What person would take qm2 Atlantic crossing to actually get where they need to go
I've been on a cruise before. My family schemed to visit the Disney Cruise, but we scrapped it without grounds. The first and only cruise line I've ever been to was Carnival.
These types of comments are always below every video on cruise ships. If you don’t like it, don’t go. They are nonetheless impressive feats of engineering and operation.
@@skycaptain3344 It’s not exactly like I commented on a video review of “Dad’s cruises 2003-2004”. And you’re right, they are impressive feats of engineering. Too bad those minds aren’t being put to better use. Also, the reason why you see those comments on every video is because cruise ships are a blight on the planet. They are horrible, horrible monstrosities that attract the same kind of people that want visit Sandals Resort and visit Applebees on their way home.
One thing that I don't think many people know is that even during the turn of the 20th century, the idea was already a thing. There were a few extremely small (about the size of a tender) purpose built cruise ships which were focused on luxury and leisure rather than speed and utility.
Ok but can we please get ocean liners back? Like instead of catching a plane; I would like the next most efficient option to cross oceans without spending unnecessarily long on board. Like give me a floating office for the week so I can spend the weekend in Europe or whatever
I mean… Planes are faster travel than ocean liners to the point that there’s barely any ocean liners today as far as I know… Eh, I wonder what you think.
Here in Vancouver, Royal Caribbean deploys the 20-year-old Radiance-class ships (90,000 GT) on Alaska itineraries. Quantum-class ships (168,000 GT) sail out of Seattle because they can't fit under the Lions Gate Bridge. However, the Radiance-class has an abundance of floor to ceiling windows so guests can view the majestic scenery of the Last Frontier, and can fit into smaller ports and fjords, as well as get closer to glaciers. The Quantum-class takes too many notes from the Oasis- and Icon-class. No windows in public areas of the ship, and the interior is like a Vegas outlet mall. If I wanted that, I can get that on land. The biggest cruise ship to come to Vancouver is the Norwegian Bliss, and it can only do so at low tide.
I’m glad to see this comment. I love the Radiance-class ships. Not only do they have so much focus outward on the ocean, they are aesthetically pleasing.
@@skycaptain3344 My dad used to drive limos so during Alaska season, he used to transport cruisers from their hotels or YVR, to the cruise ports at Canada Place or Ballantyne Pier. Whenever we were at Canada Place in the summer, he would point out the cruise ships to me. I remember the distinctive logos of Holland America, Princess and Celebrity ships, plus the Legend, Rhapsody, and Radiance of the Seas. I was too young to remember Sun Viking or Viking Serenade, though.
As the comments have said, be interesting to see the environmental impact a cruise ship has vs a similarly sized inner city neighbourhood with good public transport.
How would a hotel that sales to multiple countries be possible to compare to a public transport network? People aren’t moving to a cruise ship, and a city can’t sail around on vacation.
@@Ikajo But isn’t the system automated? They have literal course strainers filtering black water that’s supposed to be cleaned by workers who get payed for cleaning them in the first place. Idk how they can stop the black and grey water from being flushing into the tanks inside the cruise ship before it gets filtered. Ngl I actually like this conversation👍
I feel like ships getting this big is a good representstion of what the west, mostly americans desperately want but arent willing to do or cant. Which is walking. Hear me out. If and average american went on a vacation on a hotel, they would go in there rooms and maybe that hotel has a pool, cool but eventually you would need to go out for sight seeing, eat, drink, party, etc. All that requires a car. But when youre on a cruise like as big as the icon, you end up walking cuz there are no options for cars. Consider a cruise ship as an american version of a downtown european country with waterslides and other amenities that americans love, where there are no cars allowed and you actually needed to use your feet to get where you want to go. But you might be asking yourslef, if americans just want to walk, why dont they just take a cruise that takes them to europe? Well americans want to walk but dread the idea of walking up until they are forced to do so cuz they cant imagine going anywhere without a car. And cruises like these with there big lights and big splashes blinds them of the dread of walking and just start walking.
I've done many travels alone, or for work or together with my wife, arranged all by myself or ourselves, since i am not a fan of mass tourism. One holiday though we did take a cruise in the Arabian gulf because i wsnted to show my wife the middle east after i had been there many times for work. And to avoid having to do several difficult border crissings by car (into and out of KSA for example) we decided that the only viable way to do that holiday was a cruise. And much to my surprise i actually really loved it. It was so much fun to be on that ship. And it was actually quite possible to avoid the masses if we wanted to. Plus the stops in the several cities where we stopped to explore them really helped to be away from the masses of the ship for a bit. So i would definitely do another cruise holiday one day.
Mind I’ve been on a cruise ship during a storm, the waves were coming half way up the ship and they had to close the deck, you still barely felt a thing inside the ship.
I just don’t understand why people want to pay MORE money to enjoy all the things you can already get on land with the bonus feature of possibly drowning
I only disagree with that statement about: How we miss the old timey ships interior design styles and that people in the future will say they miss the designs from the 2020's. (I disagree. I think we are in a era that desperately needs reinvigorated creativity and passion to it's design and approach)
In my opinion, the SS Normandie and SS United States were the best-looking passenger vessels to ever ply the seas. Modern cruise ships often look bloated and excessive.
@@MaticTheProto I just looked it up, and it is definitely the best-looking "classic-style" oceanliner. But the SS Normandie still takes the cake for me.
I absolutely love the Queen Elizabeth two. It was a wonderful way to travel. And I really hope that whenever this ship retires that they will replace it with another ocean liner.
Yeah! I am an American citizen but live in Europe and I would love to travel back to the US that way one time. First ride the train to Southampton. I have taken the train from where I live to Scotland before and it was a lot of fun. And then ride Amtrak in the states if it's possible. I did it before and it was nice also, but it was 10 years ago and I've heard it's gotten worse since then.
@@Gearing-s8q QM2 is definitely not just a cruise ship with a black hull. She is literally constructed and engineered differently, she can handle worse weather than cruise ships can and she can outrun them in a race as well.
@@AlextheHistorian Historically, a boat could fit on a ship but a ship could not fit on a boat. But that's a little blurred nowadays, especially as massive submarines are classified as boats due to their past as tiny craft launched by ships. Nowadays, aside from plain tradition, the distinction is due to the function of the vessel, mainly how long it can operate away from port.
When my dad was a kid he sailed on all the liners. He said his favorites were the French line and Italian Line because of the food was just the best. He liked Cunard but wasn’t his favorite. I’ve sailed on the QE2 and QM2 and they are truly the last true liners. Dinner you have to wear a jacket in the restaurant and it does have a lot of amenities but not like the cruise ships. It’s not as flashy and is an enjoyable experience
The idea of traveling in these big ships looking like cakes is so unappealing. Queen Mary 2 is in my bucket list, she’s big, but with a certain charisma. Even when she’s docked next to these bigger cruises that came after her, she will always stand out.
Cruise ships are huge polluters, and I don't like how they overwhelm small islands for half a day, then leave--it's much better to stay at these locations longer to enjoy them more, and to avoid crowds. However, I totally understand the appeal of not having to worry about hotels or anything like that, plus the views at sea can be gorgeous (I've been on three cruises!)
Could not pay me to set foot on one of those floating malls/ petri dishes. Also passenger liners of 100 years ago were more akin to a cross ocean flight than a cruse. Ocean liners go A to B where as cruse ships wander around.
Another reason for massive cruise ships is economy of scale. It's cheaper per passenger to operate large ships than it is to operate small ships. Incidentally, this is also one of the things that drove the increase in size of ocean liners, as well. They only stopped getting bigger because they became extinct.
Never found cruise ships inviting. It's quite scary, to be honest. Also, if a crime happens, be prepared to never find justice or have a horrible time working with the required authorities because there really isn't one.
I want to hear more about port restrictions. I've heard some rumbling that some big ships won't be able to get under the Lions Gate Bridge to Vancouver in the future. I bet there are all kinds of interesting facts about port specifics that have changed geography, demographics, and industries like cruise ships.
A friend of mine was having his house renovated and he needed somewhere to live for three months. It turned out that spending the time on a cruise ship with all meals included was cheaper than renting a small apartment in Melbourne that was the same size as the room on a ship.
yeah, being stuck in a mall for weeks... with strangers... only to get off to visit places for what? half a day? Seems like a nightmare, and you won't even get to know the countries/places you visit.
Cruising has actually been around since the early 20th century; though, the ships were liners (and smaller vessels; not the flagships) occasionally chartered by a tour company. The first purpose-built cruise ship was RMS 'Caronia', owned by Cunard and put into service in 1949. (It could also be reconfigured into a two-class liner. But, it spent almost the entirety of its life as a cruise ship, doing annual world cruises.) The French Line then designed SS 'France', the line's new flagship in 1960, to be dual-purpose liner/cruise ship, and Cunard did the same with RMS 'Queen Elizabeth 2', which started sailing in 1969. Cunard tried sending RMS 'Queen Mary' and RMS 'Queen Elizabeth' on cruises; but, those ships just weren't fit for the tropics; they were trans-Atlantic liners through and through. As mentioined above, 'France' had already been built to function part-time as a cruise ship. So, Norwegian Cruise Line didn't have to take out any barriers between classes when they converted the ship to 'Norway' in 1978-80; they just had to leave the sliding panels and retractable baffles between first and tourist class permanently open. Also, the superstructure is what's above the hull, not "above the deck" (every level is a deck), and, a missing detail about funnels (not "smokestacks"; these are ships, not factories) is that they didn't stay tall on top of taller superstructures because the ships still have to fit under certain bridges. So, as the top decks got higher and higer, but, the undersides of those bridges didn't, the funnels got more and more squat. Also also, while superstructures did get wider as ships became wider, what you show in your diagram is the superstructure getting longer, eating up the fo'c'sle. I sailed on the 'Norway' twice. It was a fantastic ship and the mid-century modern design that could still be found in certain rooms and stair towers was so quirky and, yet, elegant. The double-height WIndward Dining Room--with it's black, starry-lit dome over a truncated cylinder of gold anodized aluminum, the wide staircase you had to descend to enter, and Jean Mandaroux's continuous mural, _Les plaisirs de la vie_, painted on 17 laquered panels running around all four walls--was the best room aboard; followed closely by the two-storey Club International, with those Neptune statues draped in garlands of real, jagged pink crystal. I've been on a couple of cruises since, with Celebrity and Princess, and, while those ships were fitted-out tastefully, none matched the 'Norway'. Maybe RMS 'Queen Mary 2' might. But, I haven't sailed on her... Yet.
QE2’s dimensions (963 feet long by 105 feet wide) were just enough so that she could traverse the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal. Her predecessors were too large to do either.
I don’t get why modern cruise ships need to be jammed packed with everything you can do on land. I guess convenience is more important than the “less is more” effect with adventurism. I want to see the ocean and take the time to appreciate the beauty while visiting distant lands, not get stuck in a floating shopping mall.
They should make boats look different and unique! I heard someone, I think his name was Stockton? was doing similar innovation with submarines. I’m sure he’s doing great!
I don't think I get cruise ships.. you are basically stuck in the big mall in the middle of an ocean. You can experience the exact same things in a nice resort in a place you choose. And you can also explore that place if you want !
Same thing goes for resorts. Why travel to a foreign land just to stay at a resort when all you had to do was vacation at the mall and eat the same food at the food court.
Thing is it can also be more expensive picking just one country and staying for a week. Air travel out of the country is so expensive so why not just book a cruise that visits multiple countries for $5000 vs a $3000 plane ticket.
@@tuanoful How? I mean you experience the culture and get a taste of what is like there, I'd say thats a good enough experience for a day. Obviously going to a country for a long time would get you more insight on it. However, the same argument could be say why spend a week in a county it doesn't get you the same experience as staying for a year or a month.
Cruise ships allow you to wake up in a new place every morning, and are cheaper than doing a land vacation. Plus your not going to be able to see all of the shows and other entertainment any where but on a cruise
The first time I went on a cruise, I asked our cab driver if those boats over there were also cruise ships (they were ferry’s). He laughed and said “no that’s not big.” Then I saw an actual cruise ship and said “oh that’s big!” He said “no no that’s not big.” Then my mouth went agape when we saw our boat which was almost twice as big as the other cruise ship.
I think the one thing we need to keep in mind when comparing cruise ships across the decades is purpose... these days people genreally take cruises for pleasure/leisure, whereas back up until I'd say maybe the 1950's, people sometimes (or maybe often times) used cruise ships as a mode of transportation. If you look at the Titanic, for example, most people on there were traveling to the US, I would say few were on there just for pleasure/leisure, not that that wasn't part of the trip, but the overall goal was travel, not vacationing. But as times have changed and people's reason for cruising changed (ie. leisure more so than a mode of transporation) we started to want more amenities to help pass the time and because we were cruising with relaxation as the primary goal, not just as a mode of transportation. So I think with that, it sort of "demanded" bigger ships with more amenities and features, plus probably a bit of economy too -- cruise ships these days can carry 2x and 3x the numberber of people the Titanic chould technically hold (which I think was somewhere around ~3000 people total). And with this comes the need for more space, for more people as the modern cruise ship probably holds up to 5,000 people on average, and we also need to consider the accomodations -- there is no more third class, and most cabins are set up for 2 people, so on an average cruise ship, you probably need at least 1500 rooms alone just for people to sleep/stay in. Larger cruise ships obviously need more, and the days of putting 4 or 6 people into a small room is not really a thing anymore (like it may have been for Third Class on the Titanic). Basically modern day cruise ships are floating cities in some cases, or floating hotels at the very least. The other thing too is that up until maybe the 40-50's, trips across the ocean were probably fewer and far between, and this is something we take for granted today a bit with air travel in the modern era, so I would say significantly fewer people sail across the Atlantic as a means for transportation and just opt for flying instead (it's faster, and likely just as safe).
Shopping malls, arcades, restaurants, bowling alleys, crowded swimming pools and movie theaters are precisely the places I do not want to be in whilst on vacation. It's an overwhelming no from me!
A EXTREMELY important thing to note is that the chart given at 2:38 is a log (logarithmic) scale. Notice that it’s the same height from 100,000 to 1,000,000 passengers as from 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 passengers. Which is kind of disingenuous. If this had been to actual 1:1 scale that we’re all familiar with, the divergence would be VASTLY more dramatic. Like, a near vertical upward spike for air travel.
great video, I worked on ships in the 90's and I was lucky not to work on the Norway. I would recommend a cruise but find the smallest ship you can afford and one that actually goes places. Why would you get on a ship that parked itself off the coast, doesnt rock , and you eat in shifts. Its like being locked in a hotel for a week.
Have you been watching our travel series? This is the fourth of five videos all about the hidden design details, trends, and systems in travel! So far we’ve looked at big boats, trains, RVs, and American automobiles … and last but not least? Planes! See you next week!
Not gonna lie, I can't wait for another "Titanic" catastrophe. "She was unsinkable!" "We don't need lifeboats for EVERYBODY." "Nobody could have foreseen such a tragedy." "It was a freak accident, nobody is at fault."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ugh, I hate cruises. Talk about how they pollute, talk about how the overwhelm small towns...
@@tuanoful ++++++
Hi there, my name is Grant and I am an architectural designer based in Washington Dc, and graduate scholar from Penn State University. My research is focused on ocean liners and architecture and the roll ocean liners played in inspiring the primary architectural philosophy of modernism. I wanted to point out that the graphic shown at 3:30 shows the Titanic and a quoted speed of 30 knots when the Titanic's top speed was actually 23 knots. A more appropriate graphic would have been of the RMS Queen Mary which had a cruising speed of 28.5 knots and top speed of 32 knots. On another note, the impact that ocean liners had on modern architecture, and particularly the architect Le Corbusier, is actually very interesting and would make for a great video. For example, mid century public housing is largely based on a design ideology derived from the ocean liner!
The displacement (tonnage) of a ship has nothing to do with internal volume.
Cruise ships are nice but kinda miss the romanticism and sense of adventure that come with ocean liners though. Preferably without icebergs or U-boats along the way.
What about a U-boat ocean liner? 😆
If you’re ever near LA, highly recommend touring the queen mary.
You can take cruise on smaller ships to more exotic “Exploration cruise” if you want that
Or without Tornadoes 🌀or Bad Conditions or 🌊Tsunamis
White privilege. Icebergs and U-boats should have been a humbling experience but greedy people never learn. Can't wait for the next 'titanic' catastrophe that cleanses the world of human garbage.
Don’t get me wrong, I love oceangoing and even cruise ships - once had a wonderful trip on the then-largest ship in the world, Oasis of the Seas - but there’s something…wasteful about them, like the feeling you get when you order a desert at a restaurant when you’re already fit to burst.
So much luxury and opulence crammed into a vessel that consumes so much just to stay afloat, all to be one day decommissioned instead of just placing all of that ashore where it might last. It might have been justified if these ships were actually taking you somewhere, but those days seem long over.
There could well come a time that ships like these become comfortable but slow alternatives to planes, and their inherent weight makes them more amenable to battery power.
Electric cruises could be a real game changer for everyone, and you don't need to decommission old ships to do it. Retrofitting is nothing new.
No, almost all ships are scrapped or sunk. Take examples of Navy Ships. Many Super-Dreadnoughts that survived World War 2 were replaced by Battleships, which means that the dreadnoughts were scrapped. Soon, battleships were scrapped.
What you just described is exactly how I feel about capitalism as our current global economic system...
Well done! ✊️
I usually only get desert at a restaurant if I'm feeling ill. My grandma always said it helps soak up all the nasty stuff.
@@TheAmericanAmericanthat's true, it's basically everything, not just cruises
You almost got through the whole video without referencing Titanic once! Good effort.
The video would have drowned
Oceangate oceangate oceangate
They literally did though when they referenced the movie.
@@yeshummingbird That's why he said almost
@@yeshummingbird That's not what litterally means. 😢😭 I need to just let go . I know.
I recently read a story that a cruise ship in the Netherlands is currently housing refugees. It’s docked in or near Rotterdam and is used as a refugee housing. Very useful way to provide shelter for those in need of it if you ask me
they even use those river cruise ships for housing
Yes! More cruise ships should be used for housing
Hoever the refugees like it so much that they refuse to move into available houses while the common dutch civilian has 0 possibillity to buy or rent a house.
Yeah the UK is trying to do that, but not with a cruise ship. It’s more like a floating prison.
Straight up. Since they're boats you can also take them to where housing is needed (hypothetically). Pretty interesting
hey Vox, can you compare emissions from cruise ships, liners and all that to other modes of travel ? I do not have the expertise to do this myself
Second this!
Third this!
You're just too lazy. You have access to the internet, the cumulative knowledge of all mankind. A grade school kid could do a project just sourcing Wikipedia.
According to an analysis, one individual on a typical cruise ship emits roughly 421.43kg of CO² per day. Alternatively, one individual staying in a high-end hotel, using carbon-heavy transportation and choosing higher carbon activities emits "just" 81.33 kg of CO² per day.
So yeah. It's pretty bad.
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Notice how they never made the mistake of saying it is unsinkable
Some researchers had found that they never claimed Titanic was unsinkable until after it sinked.
Fun fact the titanic was never called unsinkable
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They never called it unsinkable until after it sank.
Whatever floats your boat ;-)
@@grahamkight9111 It was called unsinkable by the media but not by the White Star Line.
No mention of the huge environmental impact? 509 tonnes of sulphur oxides were emitted by the 218 cruise vessels sailing in Europe last year.
Vox don’t want to mess with their bottom line
And how much from planes?
Very disappointing. This was just an ad for cruise ships. Vox is so hypocritical
@@timotheataeShips owned by the Carnival Corporation emit 10 more sulfur dioxide than all European cars.
Airplanes are obviously terrible for the environment, but at least they provide a necessary function.
I love humanity
Sarcasm
Me and me family went for a cruise on board the Sea Diamond in 2007. Two weeks after our trip, the Sea Diamond sank on 4/5/2007. We were honestly shocked that the ship we just sailed on was now under the sea. We were considering going on an Italian cruise in 2012, but the sinking of the Costa Concordia changed our minds.
Wow
Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice as they say. Go for that Italian cruise. It has been 12 years or so since them.
@@jamesrosewell9081The reality is it very much does. Lightning loves to strike the same spot over and over and over.
@@Shadow-bk1im that's right. a satellite fell on my house back in 2009. I thought the chances of it happening a second time were extremely low but it happened 10 more times
As someone who doesn’t like being around screaming kids when I’m on vacation, taking a cruise was quite possibly the worst thing I ever did.
They have adult only cruise ships 😁
It's all about timeing
Try Holland America.
You went on the wrong cruise line and/or the wrong time.
That’s silly lol there’s many many adult only cruise lines and adult only spaces
I'm a bit sad that the ocean liner has come and gone. Although having nowhere near the amenities and comforts of a modern cruise ship and largely obsolete, there is something amazing about the graceful curves and sleek profile of an ocean liner, as opposed to the inelegant, almost absurd looks of today's condominiums at sea.
I love cruising, but I feel like it is a wasteful, ethically dubious industry which may not survive the privations of climate change and cutbacks. With flying suffering similar challenges, I do wonder if ocean liners may have a chance to shine once again- but I'm not holding my breath.
I like the idea of ocean liners, the QM2 is bucket list material. Contrary to how Vox portrays things though, there are still many ships that regularly embark passengers for trans-oceanic journeys. Typically, these craft are freight ships (container ships) that have 6-12 cabins for non-crew passengers, rather than being a dedicated passenger vessel. It's not exactly the same as travelling by ocean liner, but very much a different experience from being on a floating mall that essentially drives around in a circle at sea.
There are still a lot of "ocean liner" You can go from Japan to South Korea by ships. China to Japan by ships. In Indonesia they combine ocean liner with vehicle carrier. This video too focused of Western market. Ocean liner still alive and well..
@@falsch4761 I think the distinction there is that most of those trips are day trips, not requiring cabins for passengers. Usually in the west we'd call those ferries rather than ocean liners. Ferries and car RORO vessels are still passenger transport though, that's true.
@@falsch4761 Japan to Korea or China is hardly a trans-oceanic trip. More like a ferry than an ocean liner.
@@falsch4761 Yes, I am aware of carferries and cruiseferries- they are popular not just in Asia but in the Baltic, I've seen them before and they are quite cool. Nevertheless, an Ocean Liner does not just cross small straits or inland seas but do vast transoceanic crossings at dizzying speed- SS United States' top speed was 38.32 knots, or 70 km/hr.
I’m loving this series, it’s so well put together. Thank you! ❤🎉
Omg EmmaCruises! Your videos are so entertaining 😊
Interesting. Ive never been on a big cruise ship myself, but in Scandinavia where I'm from we do have a lot of ferries on long overnight journeys that are about the same size as smaller cruise ships. Heck one of the ships on my nearest route, the Pearl Seaways (built in 1989) from Copenhagen to Oslo, did have a brief stint as a cruise liner sailing out of Hong Kong and Singapore around the turn of the millenium before being converted back into a car ferry as originally designed.
Still while these trips have a very practical purpose, they're also incredibly popular for "minicruises". Ferry companies like DFDS have figured out they can fit their ships out with restaurants, night clubs, arcades and a small pool, and sell round trip tickets, so one can get on in Copenhagen, spend the night onboard, wake up in Oslo, explore the city for a few hours, and then travel back to Copenhagen. These minicruises have become incredibly popular, especially with how much more affordable such short trips are compared to a full cruise for a week or even just half a week.
Yes, that sounds nice. Then you don't have to travel at night and sleep terribly, or spend the money on another night at a hotel, just to leave the next morning.
@@Iudicatio Yeah. Honestly though if you want quick travel through the night, then night trains are better, since you can also leave later and arrive earlier, but the night train between Copenhagen and Oslo was discontinued over 20 years ago, and political discussions to revive it have gone nowhere.
@@drdewott9154 I don't know if the night trains in Scandinavia are better, but when I mentioned sleeping terribly I also meant the trains in Germany. There are no sleeping cars and it's the same as sleeping in the car or the bus.
Here, on the other side of the world, it's not even an overnight ferry but BC ferries now has a Vacations portion including hotels for trips. We do have an overnight route, but it's 16h.
I am on the Pearl right now at this moment, going to Oslo 😅 it‘s my first time on a big ship like this. I actually really like it 🥹
Thank you so much for making the difference between "liners" and "cruise" ships. Nothing makes my historical ocean liner loving heart hurt than hearing the Titanic called a "cruise" ship.
What is a 'crusie' ship?
@@gerry343 the video told you.
@@the4tierbridge CRUSIE ?
@@gerry343 oh.
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As a nerd who loves ocean liners (especially the Titanic, as you can probably infer by my username..), this also hurts just a little bit inside.
My family went on cruises in the Mediterranean and they were some of my best childhood memories. While the ships themselves were great with good entertainment and food, the big draw for us was the day trips to different European cities such as Rome, Nice, Pisa, Naples, and Barcelona. We got to see all the sites in those cities during the day, which is much more convenient and cost-effective than planning several world-spanning vacations in Europe to different countries. I can't imagine how boring it would be to just cruise across the Atlantic for a week or visit another Caribbean beach every day. Cruise ships can still be about the destination, just with a new destination every day!
It’s very relaxing! I’m doing an English Isles cruise in 2025 to switch up from the Caribbean.
I think in the US at least, Alaskan cruises are the best. Couple stops in Alaska with amazing scenery and icebergs. Then a stop or two in Canada as well, Vancouver I think.
On the other hand Caribbean cruises are pretty boring, the scenery is much the same, beaches and sun, and I felt bad for the mostly poor locals in contrast with all the luxury of a cruise.
"It is the... sorry, *she*-"
Amazing boat reference
There's a limit to ships before it loses its sparkle. Keep in mind, you're on a ship that, at max capacity, serves well over 5000 people; amenities don't expand or shrink with demand; they're static. If all those 5000+ people want to eat at the same time, there will be lines, wait times for tables, and slow service. If all those 5000+ people want to be out in the sun, you're likely to not find any space at all. Getting on or off the ship is a pain.
Bigger is not necessarily better.
And that's not even taking into account the amount of fuel needed to move that floating city or all the wasted food (oh yes...many passengers are notorious for leaving half-eaten meals on their plates).
I disagree. I went 3 times on a cruise ships and even tho it can get crowded at the pool there is still so many things to do that it is hardly noticable there is so many ppl on the boat. As they said there are like 5-9 restaurants on the boat and one of them is open 24/7. Also not to mention there are sport fields,gym,casino,caffes....
This is why I prefer Celebrity, HAL, or Disney (at least when our kids go). Those lines generally operate smaller to mid size ships
I also disagree. Theres cruise ship that service a whole 3 decks in ONE restaurant for passengers, not to mention(I forgot how) that they recycle their wasted foods and there’s a whole lot of restaurants used for passengers, some more Italian based for Italian passengers. I agree it’ll get more crowded but aren’t they able to limit the amount of passengers coming to that cruise ship? And besides, you pay more money if you want to spend another day in that cruise ship. That’s how they’re able to load literally more than 1 million dollars worth of food on the cruise ship while also paying their staff that work 24/7.
Thing is those ships are built to handle that sort of capacity so they offer large areas and food options
I thought the idea of a cruise "ship" was to experience the ocean. If all your doing is malls, spas, buffets and gambling then why not just go to Vegas.
Same with ocean liners, maybe both of them isolates from the "ocean experience".
Hard to generalize because there's a lot of different types of cruises, both in terms of ships and destinations. If you can understand the appeal of a resort vacation though, then understand the appeal of a resort where you wake up in a different location every day, and also understand the appeal of being out on the ocean, then you can understand the appeal of a cruise.
Besides that, cruises tend to be really affordable vacations if you want them to be (unless you're solo). They're also very simple to plan, all you really need to plan out is how to get to the ship and what you're doing for excursions, since food/lodging/transportation is all otherwise included in the fare. The huge megaships have a very diverse set of activities so they can be really well suited for families, Royal Caribbean's Icon is very clearly targeting that market. There's some other situational advantages, for example since I live around NYC a cruise is a vacation I can take public transportation to.
Exactly.
There is a bit of a shift in design philosophy now where the public spaces are trying to bring the ocean in a bit. Big tall windows and atriums that actually show the ocean etc. I mean if you’re going to be on the ship for 7 or 14 days, there is genuinely only so long one can look at the ocean and do nothing else.
Not all cruise ships are Vegas at sea. Mostly that's NCL (the 'Norway' is rolling over in its watery grave) and Carnival and its subsidiary, Costa, and its copy, MSC. Tacky, tacky, tacky. As well as 'Norway', I've been on Celebrity and Princess ships; they're comfortable and elegant, without letting you forget you're at sea. No malls. No water parks. No mini-golf or go-carts.
Just an FYI for anyone that sees this, Meraviglia might be the largest ship to dock in NYC but that’s because the docks can’t support the much bigger ships that instead dock in New Jersey, like Oasis of the Seas.
This channel mastered narrating stories in a way that makes you feel you uncover the mystery yourself .. Thank you Vox👏👏👏
Its amazing how big both ships and planes have gotten over the decades as populations have gone way up. Amazing how they can stay in the air or in this case the water.
you might not realise it so much, but technology still advances in even these well-established areas :)
And I think we've fallen back into the mindset that a ship will never sink, just because they are bigger and more modern.
Look at the one 'opening' in 2024. How everyone can safely evacuate a ship of that size is beyond me.
@@theinternetbutler lots of lifeboats
@@besthomepage5145 There is never enough life boats on any ship, because not everyone will survive anyway.
@@V3ntilator There are never enough lifeboats because lifeboats have requirements as to where they can be mounted on the sides of a ship and that they need to be able to be lowered from deck height to the ocean. That said, maritime law requires cruise ships to be able to accommodate 75% of it's passengers into lifeboats, with the crew and the remaining passengers to be evacuated into rafts.
Rafts are smaller, can be folded up when not in use and then deployed en masse directly into the water where they can be accessed via chutes.
Love the history of the ocean liner being a mode of transport, but also love the modern cruise ships being a destination in themselves! Can't wait to go on Queen Mary 2 this September, followed by Symphony of the Seas a few months after!
This is the best summary of the differences between an ocean liner and a cruise ship I've ever encountered.
Sadly, this is the way the world goes. We don't build movie palaces anymore, we build cineplexes. We don't build castles, we build condos. It's sad to see the ocean liner going extinct, when the Queen Mary 2 is retired, I'm sure there won't be another. But these were all built for different eras. Time marches forward for better or worse.
I’ve been on 4 large cruise ships and I love them. There is just so much to do on them and you get really good value out of it. Transportation, unlimited food, entertainment, and housing all for one price (which can be less than $100 dollars per person per day).
that's so basic
Does anyone else think this series is way too short? I'm loving all the transportation series but it's way to short in scope. This video should've been twice as long!
I think what I’m getting is that there’s definitely a nostalgia for more glamorous times but with that comes its own challenges.
One of the most entertaining videos I watched on TH-cam
Ocean liner: built to plough the rough ocean, keep up with ocean traffic schedule, and got the elegance.
Cruise ship: Giant, towering, blocky, floating apartment for pleasure cruises.
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Queen Mary 2 being a cruise ship hiding in plain sight
@@Gearing-s8qEh, I wouldn’t say that… it does have a more cruise ship-ish superstructure but that’s about it really
@@urotaion9879 all her routes are cruises pretty much. The Atlantic crossing is also. What person would take qm2 Atlantic crossing to actually get where they need to go
@@Gearing-s8q fair point
@@Gearing-s8q Qm2 is actually completely different she’s engineered and built totally different then a regular cruise ship.
I love this series! Well done on the series so far 👏🏽
'There's no bow where Jack and Rose can say I'm The King of the World'
Or whatever
7:10 She's a MMXXII decedent. She had the second-longest reign on earth.👑
Cruise liners line of thinking is amazing. “Why go somewhere far away when you can leave and come right back?”
That’s called travel
I've been on a cruise before. My family schemed to visit the Disney Cruise, but we scrapped it without grounds. The first and only cruise line I've ever been to was Carnival.
I honestly cannot think of a better way to ruin my vacation than to take a cruise ship.
Every single deep water port in Europe has been taken over and destroyed by these monstrosities and the evil people who use them.
Right ? if i wanted to stay in an overcrowded shopping mall, i'd just stay home ...
@@benjaminbouaoune4466 And being stuck with at sea with the type of person who would WANT to go on a cruise? Perish the thought.
These types of comments are always below every video on cruise ships. If you don’t like it, don’t go. They are nonetheless impressive feats of engineering and operation.
@@skycaptain3344 It’s not exactly like I commented on a video review of “Dad’s cruises 2003-2004”. And you’re right, they are impressive feats of engineering. Too bad those minds aren’t being put to better use.
Also, the reason why you see those comments on every video is because cruise ships are a blight on the planet. They are horrible, horrible monstrosities that attract the same kind of people that want visit Sandals Resort and visit Applebees on their way home.
Finally a new video from you. They are rarer than Christmas presents. Nice job as always. Please , show up more often :)
That's capable of 600 more people onboard than Picard's Enterprise.
YTMND: 🎶 Captain Jean Luc Picard of the USS enterprise. 🎶
One thing that I don't think many people know is that even during the turn of the 20th century, the idea was already a thing. There were a few extremely small (about the size of a tender) purpose built cruise ships which were focused on luxury and leisure rather than speed and utility.
I love the design centered videos from Vox! Please keep them coming!
This is a surprisingly decent video. The thumbnail could use some work, though.
Didn’t expect to see you here :)
to be fair, ocean liners sound a lot better than cruise ship
As someone who's fascinated by Ocean Liners of the last two centuries, this is my favorite vox video.
I went on Harmony of the seas in May and I LOVED IT. It was a great vacation!
The next time you look in the mirror know that the face of evil is staring back at you.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 Good, I hope I become the worst person on the planet after my 19th cruise in December!
Ok but can we please get ocean liners back? Like instead of catching a plane; I would like the next most efficient option to cross oceans without spending unnecessarily long on board. Like give me a floating office for the week so I can spend the weekend in Europe or whatever
I mean… Planes are faster travel than ocean liners to the point that there’s barely any ocean liners today as far as I know… Eh, I wonder what you think.
Here in Vancouver, Royal Caribbean deploys the 20-year-old Radiance-class ships (90,000 GT) on Alaska itineraries. Quantum-class ships (168,000 GT) sail out of Seattle because they can't fit under the Lions Gate Bridge.
However, the Radiance-class has an abundance of floor to ceiling windows so guests can view the majestic scenery of the Last Frontier, and can fit into smaller ports and fjords, as well as get closer to glaciers.
The Quantum-class takes too many notes from the Oasis- and Icon-class. No windows in public areas of the ship, and the interior is like a Vegas outlet mall. If I wanted that, I can get that on land.
The biggest cruise ship to come to Vancouver is the Norwegian Bliss, and it can only do so at low tide.
I’m glad to see this comment. I love the Radiance-class ships. Not only do they have so much focus outward on the ocean, they are aesthetically pleasing.
@@skycaptain3344 My dad used to drive limos so during Alaska season, he used to transport cruisers from their hotels or YVR, to the cruise ports at Canada Place or Ballantyne Pier. Whenever we were at Canada Place in the summer, he would point out the cruise ships to me. I remember the distinctive logos of Holland America, Princess and Celebrity ships, plus the Legend, Rhapsody, and Radiance of the Seas. I was too young to remember Sun Viking or Viking Serenade, though.
I hated cruise ships until my daughter talked me into buying tickets for a suite on the Disney Fantasy. It was actually the time of my life.
More people mean lower quality of life. This applies to large cruise ships. Imagine how much 7000 passengers degrade a port experience.
As the comments have said, be interesting to see the environmental impact a cruise ship has vs a similarly sized inner city neighbourhood with good public transport.
How would a hotel that sales to multiple countries be possible to compare to a public transport network? People aren’t moving to a cruise ship, and a city can’t sail around on vacation.
Huge environmental impact. These ships dumps a lot of grey water into the ocean.
@@IkajoIf you’re talking about cruise ships: don’t they filter the water first BEFORE dumping it back in the ocean? Black AND Grey included?
@@GarycooperEli They are supposed to. Doesn't mean they actually do it. Cheaper for them to not do that.
@@Ikajo But isn’t the system automated? They have literal course strainers filtering black water that’s supposed to be cleaned by workers who get payed for cleaning them in the first place. Idk how they can stop the black and grey water from being flushing into the tanks inside the cruise ship before it gets filtered. Ngl I actually like this conversation👍
I feel like ships getting this big is a good representstion of what the west, mostly americans desperately want but arent willing to do or cant. Which is walking. Hear me out. If and average american went on a vacation on a hotel, they would go in there rooms and maybe that hotel has a pool, cool but eventually you would need to go out for sight seeing, eat, drink, party, etc. All that requires a car. But when youre on a cruise like as big as the icon, you end up walking cuz there are no options for cars. Consider a cruise ship as an american version of a downtown european country with waterslides and other amenities that americans love, where there are no cars allowed and you actually needed to use your feet to get where you want to go.
But you might be asking yourslef, if americans just want to walk, why dont they just take a cruise that takes them to europe?
Well americans want to walk but dread the idea of walking up until they are forced to do so cuz they cant imagine going anywhere without a car. And cruises like these with there big lights and big splashes blinds them of the dread of walking and just start walking.
The background music of this video is unreasonably delightful & cheery and I am completely here for it!! 😄
I hope ocean liners will always stay around. It's nice to have the option if you don't like flying 😂
Cruise ships are pretty much small cities on water, and honestly, I love it
All it takes is one Italian captain to sink one.
I so love cruise ships even tho i've never been in one
I've done many travels alone, or for work or together with my wife, arranged all by myself or ourselves, since i am not a fan of mass tourism. One holiday though we did take a cruise in the Arabian gulf because i wsnted to show my wife the middle east after i had been there many times for work. And to avoid having to do several difficult border crissings by car (into and out of KSA for example) we decided that the only viable way to do that holiday was a cruise.
And much to my surprise i actually really loved it. It was so much fun to be on that ship. And it was actually quite possible to avoid the masses if we wanted to. Plus the stops in the several cities where we stopped to explore them really helped to be away from the masses of the ship for a bit.
So i would definitely do another cruise holiday one day.
I love Ocean liners! They had an elegant feel and look to them.
This was cool to learn about! Thanks for researching, compiling, and presenting the history of cruise ships :D
These cruise ships sit on the water the way bricks don’t.
Mind I’ve been on a cruise ship during a storm, the waves were coming half way up the ship and they had to close the deck, you still barely felt a thing inside the ship.
I just don’t understand why people want to pay MORE money to enjoy all the things you can already get on land with the bonus feature of possibly drowning
I only disagree with that statement about: How we miss the old timey ships interior design styles and that people in the future will say they miss the designs from the 2020's. (I disagree. I think we are in a era that desperately needs reinvigorated creativity and passion to it's design and approach)
In my opinion, the SS Normandie and SS United States were the best-looking passenger vessels to ever ply the seas. Modern cruise ships often look bloated and excessive.
Nope. SS Imperator all the way
@@MaticTheProto I just looked it up, and it is definitely the best-looking "classic-style" oceanliner. But the SS Normandie still takes the cake for me.
Ocean liner fans when they see any other cruise ship but a Cunard one
@@Gearing-s8q but it’s true though and the Cunard ones aren’t that pretty either
I personally prefer the RMS Aquitania, even though she’s not around anymore.
I absolutely love the Queen Elizabeth two. It was a wonderful way to travel. And I really hope that whenever this ship retires that they will replace it with another ocean liner.
I love the look of the old time ocean liners!
Funny how with everything there is to a modern cruise ship, the only one I'd want to sail on these days is the Queen Mary 2.
+1 on that
Yeah! I am an American citizen but live in Europe and I would love to travel back to the US that way one time.
First ride the train to Southampton. I have taken the train from where I live to Scotland before and it was a lot of fun.
And then ride Amtrak in the states if it's possible. I did it before and it was nice also, but it was 10 years ago and I've heard it's gotten worse since then.
Ocean liner fans explaining how qm2 is better than any other cruise ship (she is just a cruise ship with a black hull)
@@Gearing-s8q she is built like a ocean liner not a cruise ship, more old fashioned, faster can can go through the sea better
@@Gearing-s8q QM2 is definitely not just a cruise ship with a black hull. She is literally constructed and engineered differently, she can handle worse weather than cruise ships can and she can outrun them in a race as well.
Powerful yet subtle concluding graph
A floating amusement park with 4999 strangers for weeks in the middle of the ocean. I'm good, thanks
Well you can just ignore the 5000 other passengers, can't you?
Everyone is gangsta until an ice burg pops up from nowhere
0:00 Boats and ships are mutually exclusive. Ships are not big boats, they're ships and large craft.
What's the difference between a boat and ship?
A boat can fit on a ship. A ship can't fit on a boat
@@AlextheHistorian Historically, a boat could fit on a ship but a ship could not fit on a boat. But that's a little blurred nowadays, especially as massive submarines are classified as boats due to their past as tiny craft launched by ships. Nowadays, aside from plain tradition, the distinction is due to the function of the vessel, mainly how long it can operate away from port.
When my dad was a kid he sailed on all the liners. He said his favorites were the French line and Italian Line because of the food was just the best. He liked Cunard but wasn’t his favorite. I’ve sailed on the QE2 and QM2 and they are truly the last true liners. Dinner you have to wear a jacket in the restaurant and it does have a lot of amenities but not like the cruise ships. It’s not as flashy and is an enjoyable experience
The idea of traveling in these big ships looking like cakes is so unappealing. Queen Mary 2 is in my bucket list, she’s big, but with a certain charisma. Even when she’s docked next to these bigger cruises that came after her, she will always stand out.
Cruise ships are huge polluters, and I don't like how they overwhelm small islands for half a day, then leave--it's much better to stay at these locations longer to enjoy them more, and to avoid crowds. However, I totally understand the appeal of not having to worry about hotels or anything like that, plus the views at sea can be gorgeous (I've been on three cruises!)
I’ve never wanted to go on a cruise ship and never will.
Today I made tacos!
ENOUGH!!! My ship sails in the Morning! I wonder what's for Dinner....
Could not pay me to set foot on one of those floating malls/ petri dishes. Also passenger liners of 100 years ago were more akin to a cross ocean flight than a cruse. Ocean liners go A to B where as cruse ships wander around.
Literally destroying the earth with these monstrosities
Another reason for massive cruise ships is economy of scale. It's cheaper per passenger to operate large ships than it is to operate small ships. Incidentally, this is also one of the things that drove the increase in size of ocean liners, as well. They only stopped getting bigger because they became extinct.
Cruise ships really are like the starships depicted in Star Trek!
I’ve been on 32 cruises now i absolutely love them best vacation money can buy!! And RC’s Voyager, Freedom and Oasis class ships are amazing!!
Great video!
The Titanic is an ocean liner, not a cruise ship. Each type serves a different purpose.
Exactly
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Never found cruise ships inviting. It's quite scary, to be honest. Also, if a crime happens, be prepared to never find justice or have a horrible time working with the required authorities because there really isn't one.
Icon of the Seas is big enough you could probably make a zombie movie that is entirely set on it
I want to hear more about port restrictions. I've heard some rumbling that some big ships won't be able to get under the Lions Gate Bridge to Vancouver in the future. I bet there are all kinds of interesting facts about port specifics that have changed geography, demographics, and industries like cruise ships.
I find that modern cruise ships look more elegant than the older ocean liners with their big bridge and full white color.
I still don't get what the draw is. It's basically a city but more expensive and your room is tiny. Why not just, I don't know, visit a city?
A friend of mine was having his house renovated and he needed somewhere to live for three months. It turned out that spending the time on a cruise ship with all meals included was cheaper than renting a small apartment in Melbourne that was the same size as the room on a ship.
yeah, being stuck in a mall for weeks... with strangers... only to get off to visit places for what? half a day?
Seems like a nightmare, and you won't even get to know the countries/places you visit.
Cruising has actually been around since the early 20th century; though, the ships were liners (and smaller vessels; not the flagships) occasionally chartered by a tour company. The first purpose-built cruise ship was RMS 'Caronia', owned by Cunard and put into service in 1949. (It could also be reconfigured into a two-class liner. But, it spent almost the entirety of its life as a cruise ship, doing annual world cruises.) The French Line then designed SS 'France', the line's new flagship in 1960, to be dual-purpose liner/cruise ship, and Cunard did the same with RMS 'Queen Elizabeth 2', which started sailing in 1969. Cunard tried sending RMS 'Queen Mary' and RMS 'Queen Elizabeth' on cruises; but, those ships just weren't fit for the tropics; they were trans-Atlantic liners through and through.
As mentioined above, 'France' had already been built to function part-time as a cruise ship. So, Norwegian Cruise Line didn't have to take out any barriers between classes when they converted the ship to 'Norway' in 1978-80; they just had to leave the sliding panels and retractable baffles between first and tourist class permanently open. Also, the superstructure is what's above the hull, not "above the deck" (every level is a deck), and, a missing detail about funnels (not "smokestacks"; these are ships, not factories) is that they didn't stay tall on top of taller superstructures because the ships still have to fit under certain bridges. So, as the top decks got higher and higer, but, the undersides of those bridges didn't, the funnels got more and more squat. Also also, while superstructures did get wider as ships became wider, what you show in your diagram is the superstructure getting longer, eating up the fo'c'sle.
I sailed on the 'Norway' twice. It was a fantastic ship and the mid-century modern design that could still be found in certain rooms and stair towers was so quirky and, yet, elegant. The double-height WIndward Dining Room--with it's black, starry-lit dome over a truncated cylinder of gold anodized aluminum, the wide staircase you had to descend to enter, and Jean Mandaroux's continuous mural, _Les plaisirs de la vie_, painted on 17 laquered panels running around all four walls--was the best room aboard; followed closely by the two-storey Club International, with those Neptune statues draped in garlands of real, jagged pink crystal. I've been on a couple of cruises since, with Celebrity and Princess, and, while those ships were fitted-out tastefully, none matched the 'Norway'. Maybe RMS 'Queen Mary 2' might. But, I haven't sailed on her... Yet.
QE2’s dimensions (963 feet long by 105 feet wide) were just enough so that she could traverse the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal. Her predecessors were too large to do either.
@@CJODell12 The two preceeding "queens", yes. 'Caronia; could easily fit through the canal, though.
@@bayousbambino427That’s what I meant. Caronia was built almost exclusively for cruising not transatlantic crossings.
I don’t get why modern cruise ships need to be jammed packed with everything you can do on land. I guess convenience is more important than the “less is more” effect with adventurism. I want to see the ocean and take the time to appreciate the beauty while visiting distant lands, not get stuck in a floating shopping mall.
They should make boats look different and unique! I heard someone, I think his name was Stockton? was doing similar innovation with submarines. I’m sure he’s doing great!
I don't think I get cruise ships.. you are basically stuck in the big mall in the middle of an ocean. You can experience the exact same things in a nice resort in a place you choose. And you can also explore that place if you want !
Same thing goes for resorts. Why travel to a foreign land just to stay at a resort when all you had to do was vacation at the mall and eat the same food at the food court.
Thing is it can also be more expensive picking just one country and staying for a week. Air travel out of the country is so expensive so why not just book a cruise that visits multiple countries for $5000 vs a $3000 plane ticket.
@@christyrobinson6634 because thats not really a visit.... saying youve been is not the same as experiencing the country.
@@tuanoful How? I mean you experience the culture and get a taste of what is like there, I'd say thats a good enough experience for a day. Obviously going to a country for a long time would get you more insight on it. However, the same argument could be say why spend a week in a county it doesn't get you the same experience as staying for a year or a month.
Cruise ships allow you to wake up in a new place every morning, and are cheaper than doing a land vacation. Plus your not going to be able to see all of the shows and other entertainment any where but on a cruise
The first time I went on a cruise, I asked our cab driver if those boats over there were also cruise ships (they were ferry’s). He laughed and said “no that’s not big.” Then I saw an actual cruise ship and said “oh that’s big!” He said “no no that’s not big.” Then my mouth went agape when we saw our boat which was almost twice as big as the other cruise ship.
Some of the Mega Cruise Ships looks like very top heavy.
Makes me wonder how they don't easily capsize.
Two words:
Massive. Keels.
They have all kinds of the to make sure it doesn't happen
I guess the bow and the superstructures in Cruises are in a monoque configuration, they may be more stable than the older ships then.
@johndavidson3424 I don't know about that, I do know they have stabilizers which is why you can barely feel the ship rock
@thePronto hit rocks that tore a hole in the hull..
I think the one thing we need to keep in mind when comparing cruise ships across the decades is purpose... these days people genreally take cruises for pleasure/leisure, whereas back up until I'd say maybe the 1950's, people sometimes (or maybe often times) used cruise ships as a mode of transportation. If you look at the Titanic, for example, most people on there were traveling to the US, I would say few were on there just for pleasure/leisure, not that that wasn't part of the trip, but the overall goal was travel, not vacationing. But as times have changed and people's reason for cruising changed (ie. leisure more so than a mode of transporation) we started to want more amenities to help pass the time and because we were cruising with relaxation as the primary goal, not just as a mode of transportation. So I think with that, it sort of "demanded" bigger ships with more amenities and features, plus probably a bit of economy too -- cruise ships these days can carry 2x and 3x the numberber of people the Titanic chould technically hold (which I think was somewhere around ~3000 people total). And with this comes the need for more space, for more people as the modern cruise ship probably holds up to 5,000 people on average, and we also need to consider the accomodations -- there is no more third class, and most cabins are set up for 2 people, so on an average cruise ship, you probably need at least 1500 rooms alone just for people to sleep/stay in. Larger cruise ships obviously need more, and the days of putting 4 or 6 people into a small room is not really a thing anymore (like it may have been for Third Class on the Titanic). Basically modern day cruise ships are floating cities in some cases, or floating hotels at the very least.
The other thing too is that up until maybe the 40-50's, trips across the ocean were probably fewer and far between, and this is something we take for granted today a bit with air travel in the modern era, so I would say significantly fewer people sail across the Atlantic as a means for transportation and just opt for flying instead (it's faster, and likely just as safe).
Just hearing about all the stuff on the new cruise ship is exhausting
Shopping malls, arcades, restaurants, bowling alleys, crowded swimming pools and movie theaters are precisely the places I do not want to be in whilst on vacation. It's an overwhelming no from me!
Go to the beach and stare at the sea for 7 days. Best vacation ever.
A EXTREMELY important thing to note is that the chart given at 2:38 is a log (logarithmic) scale.
Notice that it’s the same height from 100,000 to 1,000,000 passengers as from 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 passengers.
Which is kind of disingenuous.
If this had been to actual 1:1 scale that we’re all familiar with, the divergence would be VASTLY more dramatic.
Like, a near vertical upward spike for air travel.
Took my first cruise this past weekend and now I’m all in on research and the history of boats
great video, I worked on ships in the 90's and I was lucky not to work on the Norway. I would recommend a cruise but find the smallest ship you can afford and one that actually goes places. Why would you get on a ship that parked itself off the coast, doesnt rock , and you eat in shifts. Its like being locked in a hotel for a week.
They should rename the forthcoming “Icon of the Sea” to “Petri Dish of the Sea”.