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USMC Johnson LMG at the Range

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ต.ค. 2022
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    The Johnson LMG was adopted by the US Marine Corps for specialist units like Paramarines and Raiders, and saw use in some of the fiercest island campaign of the Pacific (in addition to use in Europe by the 1st Special Service Force and others). It was a light and hard-hitting weapon that was well-liked by the men who used it. I've been wanting to try one for a while, and this was a great opportunity to do so.
    While the Johnson is light and handy compared to similar arms like the BAR, it has substantially more muzzle blast, climb, and felt recoil than other designs that use the same .30-06 cartridge.
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  • @sebastianperez6124
    @sebastianperez6124 ปีที่แล้ว +1720

    It's remarkable how similar this gun is to the FG-42, given they probably had similar design requirements being both used by paratroopers.

    • @messmeister92
      @messmeister92 ปีที่แล้ว +279

      It’s surprising how similar they are given their differences in inception. The Johnson, unlike the FG42, was not designed for paratroopers but nonetheless lended itself well for those troops-to some extent, almost better than the FG42. The Johnson was also designed for full auto with the capability for single fire, while the FG42 was a rifle first and automatic weapon second.
      Source: Ian’s first video on the Johnson LMG.

    • @timengineman2nd714
      @timengineman2nd714 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      @@RobotN001 And if you switched the FG-42 from semi to full, you could shoot your first round from a closed bolt, but it took a deliberate action (you had to pull the selector lever's knob out to move the selector) to switch from any of the FG-42's three selector's positions (Safe, Semi, and Full).
      But the FG-42 was reportedly a "bear" to hold in position when firing Full Auto from the shoulder, where it seems like Ian, after noticeably leaning into the Johnson, could hold it in position to a large degree. Swinging, more or less on the level , to one side was deemed a virtue by some people because it allowed you to "sweep" enemy positions/suspected positions with "walking" fire!

    • @wealthybone2990
      @wealthybone2990 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Which was first tho?

    • @RobotN001
      @RobotN001 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@timengineman2nd714 You right.

    • @lorenzogiuliani9144
      @lorenzogiuliani9144 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@wealthybone2990 i think johnson LM

  • @NPFeifman
    @NPFeifman ปีที่แล้ว +448

    Never thought that Ian McCollum would ever film himself playing with his Johnson.

    • @gordonhamilton5576
      @gordonhamilton5576 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      I think it is still someone else's Johnson.

    • @felixchaus
      @felixchaus ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@gordonhamilton5576 Does that make it even worse 😂

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Insert face palm picture. That was bad.

    • @tigerpjm
      @tigerpjm ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes!!!

    • @nickysimi9866
      @nickysimi9866 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the johnson lmg (let me grab)

  • @JugglerLou
    @JugglerLou ปีที่แล้ว +352

    So glad you are documenting the guns from Johnson. - Lou Johnson, Grandson of the inventor.

    • @r.shanethompson7933
      @r.shanethompson7933 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Sir, you have a lot to be proud of. Your grandfather was a very innovative firearms designer.

    • @kevingodkin8299
      @kevingodkin8299 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      there are only 2 of these gun in New Zealand and Im proud to say I own one ,

    • @taggartlawfirm
      @taggartlawfirm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Lou, I have a US carbine in .22 Spitfire, (.22 Johnson) which is another of your grandfathers creations. Specifically, it is .30 carbine necked to take a 40 grn .22 projectile.

    • @Forewarned76
      @Forewarned76 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hey cousin

    • @Brawler_1337
      @Brawler_1337 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Your grandfather was a true patriot.

  • @tpelle2
    @tpelle2 ปีที่แล้ว +842

    I recently re-read my copy of "The Black Rifle" concerning the development of the AR-15. I was reminded that Melvin Johnson was, for a while, employed by Armalite, working with Eugene Stoner. The multi-lug bolt head of the AR-10, AR-15, and AR-18 was derived from Melvin Johnson's patent. Anyway, in this video, I also noted the very "Armalite-ish" recoil buffer tube on the Johnson LMG.
    So maybe Melvin Johnson is due a little more respect than he normally receives.
    Great video!

    • @angusmcnaughton4570
      @angusmcnaughton4570 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      That is true,he only missed the contract that the garand got by a couple weeks, ... his Johnson wasn't ready. the original Johnson automatic had a barrel that articulated back before unlocking the bolt, I didn't see the LMG version doing that. The LMG version was modified from an already manufactured Johnson automatic and may have lost that recoil reduction feature

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 ปีที่แล้ว

      That multi-lug bolt had been already used on the 1912 Carcano semiauto conversion, for the same reason. To limit the degrees of rotation of the bolt before unlocking in a short recoil action. th-cam.com/video/jrp7QLSlKD4/w-d-xo.html

    • @chrisdooley8155
      @chrisdooley8155 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      If anyone wanted to design a fixed-mag AR that you could load with stripper clips WITHOUT going through the ejection port, the Johnson would be great starting point.

    • @angusmcnaughton4570
      @angusmcnaughton4570 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@chrisdooley8155 the Johnson automatic I had was so easy to load , you could just "scrunch" a whole handful of ammunition right in , and you can remove the barrel with a round of ammo. Imagine if Johnson had gotten the Garand contract, and EVERYONE got one . No sore thumbs 👍

    • @compwiz101
      @compwiz101 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@angusmcnaughton4570 The action is a short-recoil operation, so the barrel reciprocates on both the rifle and the LMG (in the slow-mo shots you can see it move ever so slightly back as well)

  • @Viper2132
    @Viper2132 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Johnsons are known for wearing down recoil springs. I got a new recoil spring for my Johnson rifle and replaced the original one which was a full inch shorter than the new one. It's much more pleasant to shoot now.

  • @jwseibert1059
    @jwseibert1059 ปีที่แล้ว +335

    Seeing the recoil from the first shot in semi auto I said that sumbitch is going to go wild on full auto. It seemed as controllable as a full auto M-14. The stripper clip reload option was cool.

    • @donnkelley6823
      @donnkelley6823 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Stripper clip reload kinda like the M-14????

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Is it just me or did the hip fire look more controlled than shoulder fire? Hard to be sure without seeing what happened at the target but to my eye there was less muzzle climb and sideways drift from the hip.

    • @kennethstaszak9990
      @kennethstaszak9990 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@donnkelley6823 Except the Johnson came first so the M14 is like the Johnson not the other way around.

    • @AshleyPomeroy
      @AshleyPomeroy ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@markfergerson2145 It looks as if he was bracing the magazine against his left forearm, so that might have helped.

    • @clonescope2433
      @clonescope2433 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Unlike the M-14 it does have a bipod though which is somewhat helpful.

  • @capnstewy55
    @capnstewy55 ปีที่แล้ว +183

    The Johnson kicks hard enough to make up for all the Johnsons that have been kicked.

  • @allanfulton7569
    @allanfulton7569 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    30 06 always surprises me when the first couple shots are fired after not shooting very often

    • @keganwallace8753
      @keganwallace8753 ปีที่แล้ว

      😁😁😁

    • @bp968
      @bp968 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's funny, im usually surprised at how light the recoil is on the garand considering the cartridges size. But that said i almost always bring out my noveske 10.5" AR with a brake too. Usually i shoot it suppressed so it feels like a quiet and smooth 20" AR. But if someone wants to try it without the suppressor its brain jarring in the extreme. The difference between an unsuppressed 10.5" with a brake and a 16" middy with a FH is pretty extreme. Leave the can on the 16" but take it off the 10.5 and it night and day. I honestly don't know how anyone could use one of those things indoors unsuppressed in a swat team or special forces role (even with everyone wearing hearing pro!).

    • @thatwasinteresting3319
      @thatwasinteresting3319 ปีที่แล้ว

      30-06 is a beast of a round

    • @Seasniffer69
      @Seasniffer69 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best thing about 30-06 is the weight range for the projectiles.

  • @daroldelio4752
    @daroldelio4752 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    I don't know why but I like all the side fed guns.

    • @marvindebot3264
      @marvindebot3264 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Because they make real good sense for a 2 man crew. It makes mag changes by the second so much faster.

    • @pdxyyz4327
      @pdxyyz4327 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Hate them with a passion. Had to carry a Sterling SMG. No comfortable way to carry it with the pistol grip pointing one way and a 30 round magazine pointed the other. Major PITA getting in and out of vehicles.

    • @daroldelio4752
      @daroldelio4752 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@pdxyyz4327 actually that may be a good point, I've never used one, but they are cool

    • @richardmyhan3369
      @richardmyhan3369 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      probably because they're all sick as hell. 😀

    • @KillrMillr7
      @KillrMillr7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      How very Bren of you to say that.

  • @24kachina
    @24kachina ปีที่แล้ว +265

    It would be interesting to see a side by side from a bipod prone shooting comparison of the Johnson and a BAR. Great video, Ian.

    • @senatorarmstrong7380
      @senatorarmstrong7380 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Or better yet, the Johnson and the fg42.

    • @_ArsNova
      @_ArsNova ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Would it? The BAR would be more accurate, but the guy holding its arms would a lot more tired.

    • @TerryDowne
      @TerryDowne ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The 1st SSF actually used both guns side by side. It would be interesting to see what the Forcemen thought of the comparison.

    • @edm240b9
      @edm240b9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ve shot both. From a shooting POV, the BAR is the more comfortable gun to shoot. The Johnson kicks a lot and has a much stronger concussive blast. Yeah, the BAR is heavier, but it’s a smoother shooting gun from either the shoulder or bipod.

  • @MrJrv1993
    @MrJrv1993 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    Another user of the Johnson was the 1st Special Service Force, an very interesting unit of American and Canadian troops trained for specialized fighting.

    • @mch12311969
      @mch12311969 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was going to comment the same thing.

    • @mattdickson2
      @mattdickson2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      ah the famous Devil's Brigade

    • @deancarr4507
      @deancarr4507 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Have a GI Joe from when I was a kid of one of these soldiers. Came with the Johnson LMG

    • @MrJrv1993
      @MrJrv1993 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@deancarr4507 god, I think I probably had the same one!

    • @Oblithian
      @Oblithian ปีที่แล้ว +2

      interesting.

  • @WalkaCrookedLine
    @WalkaCrookedLine ปีที่แล้ว +219

    Unlike the Garand and BAR, which had gas systems, the Johnson used a short recoil action. As I understand it, this means the whole barrel, not just the bolt, recoils back when the action cycles. I expect this means a relatively large moving mass compared to a gas gun, which may be why it kicks hard.

    • @CCW1911
      @CCW1911 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Exactly, short recoil guns all have more severe recoil than gas operated, surprised Ian didn't mention that.

    • @thewalrus511
      @thewalrus511 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I have a model 8 remington. The thing kicks like a mule, worse than any other firearm I have shot. Even 50 bmg wasn’t as bad. Having the whole barrel forced back into your shoulder fucking hurts.

    • @blackhawk7r221
      @blackhawk7r221 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I shoot Browning A-5 humpbacks. They will kick if the friction rings are set up improperly.

    • @TheFanatical1
      @TheFanatical1 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This is much more of a concern for long-recoil guns, because the barrel is part of the reciprocating mass that actually hits the back of the gun. For short-recoil firearms the barrel must necessarily transfer the recoil to the shooter long (in terms of the action of the gun) before the bolt hits the back of the receiver. Also, the bolt is travelling slower than it otherwise would because it''s got to use part of that energy to speed up the barrel, and then cause itself to rotate out of alignment with the lugs. A gas-gun might not even bother using this energy, but if you tune a recoil-gun in the same way it doesn't generate any more recoil than it needs to.

    • @kevinalmgren8332
      @kevinalmgren8332 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For that same reason, I strongly dislike shooting the SMG 45 from LWRC

  • @jwcross6110
    @jwcross6110 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    With the through chamber top-off feature and the way it is setup with a removable barrel it’s amazing that you didn’t see some kind of redesign in a belt fed format

    • @nicholashodges201
      @nicholashodges201 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      A belt feed would completely change it. Delinkage mechanisms take up a ton of space by their nature, especially if it's for a cloth belt which is most likely what it would be designed for

    • @TerryDowne
      @TerryDowne ปีที่แล้ว +15

      US Ordnance did experiment postwar with several versions of a belt-fed Johnson (T30, T40, T48) but that never went anywhere.

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This gun had a lot of flaws. I would not have liked this if I was using it. If you'd want a belt fed setup on this you'd need a heavier barrel profile which would add to the weight. No idea what they didn't just do a standard 20 round double stack box mag. The single stack mag is ridiculous. And anyone thinking topping it off with stripper clips would be combat effective is an idiot.

  • @jimservu
    @jimservu ปีที่แล้ว +151

    Interesting to see the Madsen LMG style of magazine used somewhere other than just the Madsen Family!

    • @mattdickson2
      @mattdickson2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      even more interesting when you know that the Johnson was initially adopted by the Dutch colonial forces who also used the Madsen

    • @me.ne.frego.
      @me.ne.frego. ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I have a couple Madsen mags, argentine army surplus, painted green. The fact that the Johnson ones are single stack surprises me.

  • @prazcuray1388
    @prazcuray1388 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    That looks cool, if this saw more action in Europe and with paratroopers it would be just as well known as the BAR

  • @spencerwilkie4218
    @spencerwilkie4218 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Always love seeing Ian play with his Johnson

  • @Dougeb7
    @Dougeb7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I've always wanted to see footage of the Johnson LMG in action. Cool!!

  • @marcussilvabrombila309
    @marcussilvabrombila309 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The magazine used in Johnson LMG, greatly resembles the used LMG Madsen magazines used on a large scale by the Brazilian Army until the early 1970s and today, seen in some Brazilian police forces.

  • @MandoWookie
    @MandoWookie ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Still a cool looking gun. Just that retro-futuristic feel. Like the Savage autopistols.

  • @stephens2241
    @stephens2241 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    It would be nice to see a comparison video between this and the fg42. Very similar platforms, in some ways.

    • @stoops187
      @stoops187 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@smorrow what’s does “Barney Load” mean good sir?

    • @montebarnes3021
      @montebarnes3021 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smorrow I don't think that matters all that much

    • @stoops187
      @stoops187 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smorrow ohhhh ok got you… never heard that related to as a Barney load before! Thanks!

  • @GazalAlShaqab
    @GazalAlShaqab ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Interesting and original weapon, with its pros and its cons.
    Thanks Ian for showing it "at work"'!

  • @seanmaier4941
    @seanmaier4941 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice to see you adding slow motion shots again.

  • @storytimedavidcollins2897
    @storytimedavidcollins2897 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks again as always Ian
    Very good video learning once again about a very interesting and important gun that we all wanted to know more about.

  • @gregbrown4009
    @gregbrown4009 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The report of that gun in full auto--even on computer speakers--is terrifying. And it does look like you are getting quite a shaking too! Great video once again!

  • @HalfWarrior
    @HalfWarrior ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Whenever I see you shoot Ian, it’s always pleasant to see you with your left hand on the trigger; the reason why is I used to be left handed on my rifles or long guns. But now I have a problem with my left arm and hand where I can’t shoot anymore. Thanks for the time and effort you put into making your videos.

    • @Compulsive_LARPer
      @Compulsive_LARPer ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe you could use a ...not sure if it's blasphemous but fuck it... a motherfucking THUMB TRIGGER.
      Although I don't know the extent of your problem, so it may be useless anyways.
      Cheers!

    • @Ingsoc75
      @Ingsoc75 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m right handed but firing my rifles left handed feels more natural.

    • @HalfWarrior
      @HalfWarrior ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Compulsive_LARPer Thanks! Yeah, my left hand is right here; still attached to me, but I had a stroke in early 2019; left side of my body has been paralyzed since; unable to move it at all.

    • @HalfWarrior
      @HalfWarrior ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ingsoc75 I was always left handed when shooting my rifles; but naturally used right hand for handguns; but I’m halfway paralyzed, so I don’t shoot much anymore;well, not in the past 4 years anyway. Thanks; have a great day!

    • @y2a1979
      @y2a1979 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HalfWarrior Just have to pick what you're shooting based on what you can do now, I would think. As long as at least one hand still works fairly well, you could always enjoy an afternoon plinking away with a small calibre pistol, if nothing else. At least you still get the smell of the powder in your nose. :)

  • @happyhaunter_5546
    @happyhaunter_5546 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I had one of these with a GI Joe and never knew what it was as a kid even though I was a huge nerd and went well out of my way to research all the usual suspects. Really cool to see this, in action, thanks again Ian.

  • @jordansvennes5587
    @jordansvennes5587 ปีที่แล้ว

    More great content from Ian, keep it coming good sir!

  • @LUR1FAX
    @LUR1FAX ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Maybe a stronger recoil spring and/or redesigned receiver to allow for longer bolt travel, could have made the gun more controllable. I don't necessarily think you'd have to add a lot more weight to it.

    • @nicholashodges201
      @nicholashodges201 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      A stiffer recoil buffer *would* be a great start, but adding weight is much more reasonable for someone who owns one than redesigning the receiver. And you can add quite a bit. A heavy profile barrel, replacing the stock, forgrip & grip with either heavier material or weighted copies.
      You could also try lightening the bolt a hair. This will bump the rof slightly, but the bolt would lose an amount of velocity proportionate to the mass reduction and it would decelerate better.
      This is a really good design. Imagine how much better it would've been if it were designed using modern cad & physics animation programs

    • @RCP-1136
      @RCP-1136 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nicholashodges201 lighter bolt would be quicker. I feel like that the harsh recoil was a trade off from having the semi auto closed bolt and fully automic open bolt system...

    • @nicholashodges201
      @nicholashodges201 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RCP-1136 that's because it is. Open bolt designs like stiffer recoil springs than closed bolt. I imagine the Johnson recoil spring is an unhappy medium.

    • @colemanmoore9871
      @colemanmoore9871 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nicholashodges201 Adding weight would not have been reasonable for the paratroopers.

    • @joshtiscareno1312
      @joshtiscareno1312 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@colemanmoore9871 Speeding up the rate of fire wouldn't be good either. When you are feeding your LMG with stripper clips, you want a SLOW rate of fire.

  • @OzarksWildman
    @OzarksWildman ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ian is a left handed expert about right handed equipment. 👍

  • @raoulchapman7310
    @raoulchapman7310 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I once had the opportunity to shoot an FG42 and a Johnson LMG in the same afternoon.
    My assessment was that the FG42 kicked harder but easier to do controlled bursts as the recoil was a bit more straight line.
    I very much enjoyed both. Both seemed to be a bit finicky, but either one would do well in battle.

  • @Coltbreath
    @Coltbreath ปีที่แล้ว

    Really Sweet LMG Ian! Way to take the hits on the full auto recoil. 🙏👍

  • @stephenrickstrew7237
    @stephenrickstrew7237 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thanks for this episode… I’m sure there is an upcoming episode on the Johnson Spitfire and the MMJ 5.7 cartridge.. !

  • @mikeross8653
    @mikeross8653 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wonderful Ian! Loved this video, would love to see a weapon that is more “friendly”for left handed shooters like Ian and me!

    • @KHugg1776
      @KHugg1776 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to feel so sorry for the left handed shooters when I was in boot camp / M-14's

  • @randomexcessmemories4452
    @randomexcessmemories4452 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've always loved this gun. The Johnson LMG is an underrated gem of a weapon!

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      @Gem_MintCollectibles ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @andrewfidel2220
    @andrewfidel2220 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad that the TH-cam issues got worked out an you can bring us these machine gun clips here.

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      @Gem_MintCollectibles ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @hooks4638
    @hooks4638 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It sounds so good. I can't believe how beautiful it sounds.

  • @jimsiress9687
    @jimsiress9687 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These Johnson machine guns are just absolutely one of coolest machine guns ever 👍 Super Coo!

  • @robviousobviously5757
    @robviousobviously5757 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    have had the opportunity to shoot a Johnson rifle that belonged to a friend years ago.. the recoil impulse was quite unique.. odd somewhat.. can only imagine that in full-auto... jealous of your range experience..

  • @joshuaspicer8454
    @joshuaspicer8454 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome as always Ian!

  • @scttewegner72
    @scttewegner72 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thats just awesome! I never heard of this firearm before, but then again, you are kind of my oddity firearm gurus

  • @richardbruce8111
    @richardbruce8111 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Once again you nailed it Ian! I have always been curious about the Johnson Down here in NZ many good things were said of the Johnson after WW2 . Maybe its attraction with US troops was because the BAR held on too long! Compared to the Bren there are many points it comes second, but it would have been better than the BAR in use! Obviously the tendency to move round due to recoil is a negative , compare to the "pinpoint" accuracy of the Bren it is second. really cute clip loading feature! Great performance Thank you.

  • @MisterBiscuitsOfficial
    @MisterBiscuitsOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Glory to Elbonia!!!

    • @paleoph6168
      @paleoph6168 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glory to Arstotzka!

    • @marvindebot3264
      @marvindebot3264 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Way too good for Elbonia.

    • @Jabberwockybird
      @Jabberwockybird 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Viva los Elbonia!
      --Henry Kissinger

  • @tadyoshi3610
    @tadyoshi3610 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all thank you Morphys Auctions. Also thanks you Ian for showing us this Iconic machine.

  • @DShiflet01
    @DShiflet01 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When you need to get the job done, send in some Marines with big Johnsons.

  • @Chiller01
    @Chiller01 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would think that charger reloading feature would be really valuable during those aggressive Japanese attacks. Seems to fulfill all the requirements of the FG42 before the FG42 was a thing.

  • @wasntmeXYZ
    @wasntmeXYZ ปีที่แล้ว

    Morphy’s is an excellent auction house and I can vouch for that 100%!!
    Great video as always!

  • @dropnoelfield295
    @dropnoelfield295 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never heard of it, this is why I watch. Thanks mate

  • @johnmcclain3887
    @johnmcclain3887 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I was so enthused by this machinegun a couple decades ago, I bought several Remington model 8 rifles, semiauto, but using essentially the same long recoil action. I really enjoy shooting them. A good gun collection ought to have quite a few "oddballs" in it. Thanks Ian!

  • @petesheppard1709
    @petesheppard1709 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Now go and ice that shoulder...
    The M14 included a charger clip guide for the same reason; in fact, they were issued with only two mags for riflemen. Early publications stressed reloading the rifle with stripper clips, similar to the Lee Enfields. This was the case when I was issued an M14 at Marine Corps OCS, in 1975.
    AR-men, who used M14s with the selector switch activated, would carry more magazines.

    • @jamestarbet9608
      @jamestarbet9608 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ??? That doesn't make sense as the standard loadout for the Army's M-1956 gear was two magazine pouches capable of containing up to 3 M14 magazines each (USMC later adopting more USA standard field gear throughout Vietnam). Even my own copy of the Guidebook for Marines c.1971 shows at least 4 separate single-mag pouches in the garrison 'junk-on-the-bunk' displays.
      Only exceptions I'm aware of are for range work or pulling Guard Duty.

    • @petesheppard1709
      @petesheppard1709 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamestarbet9608 I wish I could find my 'Guidebook' from the early '70s! IIRC, the photo you mention was for an AR-man. At OCS in '75, I was issued two mags with single-mag pouches along with my M14. We were also issued WWII-era deuce gear.
      I didn't know there were triple M14 pouches; the largest I've seen were doubles (I actually have a couple of them)
      I'm not disagreeing with you, just sharing what I actually saw and remember myself. 🙂

    • @jamestarbet9608
      @jamestarbet9608 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Quick reference I found stated 3 in the unreinforced M-56 pouches, but I have never personally used an M-14 with that equipment set. I have squeezed up to 4 20-rnd M-16 magazines in those same pouches though.
      To quote from my copy of the c. 1971 Guidebook "These displays are designed for a Marine who is issued the standard equipment and minimum clothing allowance, appropriate modifications will be required." The example photos over the next couple of pages show separated components of the helmet, both packs with accompanying straps and suspenders two canteen sets (but only one canteen cup) and 4 M-14 magazines with pouches.
      I believe since you were state side, post-Vietnam and OCS, your allotment was modified as special-case.

    • @petesheppard1709
      @petesheppard1709 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamestarbet9608 Sorry for not seeing this sooner; I must have missed the notification. The ways of the Marine Corps are often inscrutable. In '77, we got M16A1s, full ALICE (including the 3x30mag pouches) and cammies.

  • @user-zp5jk7gx5b
    @user-zp5jk7gx5b 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is one of thee most smooth actioned weapons I have ever seen in military action ever. Beautiful .

  • @samobispo1527
    @samobispo1527 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MMJ’s most innovative breakthroughs were the final development of his rifle/LMG, the ‘Daisy Mae’ carbine, and his 5.7mm, a .223 projectile for a necked down .30 carbine cartridge. The Carbine was a mix of an LMG lower with a rifle upper fed from a BAR round. Short, compact, full barreled and under 10lbs, it predated every modern main battle rifle.

  • @M.M.83-U
    @M.M.83-U ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now immagine this, but in .276 Pedersen...
    That magazine was a surprise, such an old idea.

  • @jasonb7230
    @jasonb7230 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The sound of that gun reminds me of the original opening for the channel

  • @JamesLaserpimpWalsh
    @JamesLaserpimpWalsh ปีที่แล้ว

    hah. Jeez. The recoil nearly took your hat off man. Bouncy as heck lol. Cheers Ian

  • @RockSolitude
    @RockSolitude ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love the sound signature of this weapon. Such a simple yet satisfying, meaty bang.

  • @mayomancer527
    @mayomancer527 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I remember finding this gun exactly once while playing Medal of Honor Pacific Assault, and then never again. I thought my memories as a kid were lying to me but recently I discovered the name of the gun and found out it only ever drops if a specific allied soldier in a specific mission happens to be killed and drops it.

  • @eksbocks9438
    @eksbocks9438 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    3:10
    I've noticed that with a lot of guns, actually. If it hits the back of the receiver, there's more kick and barrel climb.
    But if the recoil spring stops it from doing that, it's more pleasant to shoot.

    • @basketcase1235
      @basketcase1235 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      congrats, you figured out why the ultimax is very controllable.

    • @Kav.
      @Kav. ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's the principle of constant recoil iirc.

  • @indigomer
    @indigomer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Made me happy when you did the magazine dump at the end

  • @davidv.3135
    @davidv.3135 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now that's a cool weapon! Thanks Ian!

  • @robgraham5697
    @robgraham5697 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Many years ago I was designing a role playing game. Specifically a cyberpunk RPG. I wanted to make the combat as realistic as possible.
    One of my go to research books was a Gun Digest book of Assault Weapons. It had a very good article on the Johnson weapons. It was the first I'd heard of them.
    Nice to see one of them in action. Thanks.

    • @ishaandas3006
      @ishaandas3006 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's awesome. If it's not a hassle, may I ask which guns did you end up taking as an inspiration. Also what happened to the RPG project you were working on?

    • @robgraham5697
      @robgraham5697 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ishaandas3006 The main firearms I used as inspiration were the P90 and the Steyr assault rifles. Because they look cyberpunk.
      The project, at least the final prototype, is gathering dust in a closet. I got very ill and couldn't continue,

    • @ishaandas3006
      @ishaandas3006 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@robgraham5697 that's amazing. I was also designing a game concept. It was set in an alternate 1930s wherein the Mediterranean (special emphasis on Adriatic) and Red sea was infested with sky pirates, airships and regular gunrunners. Weapons included a lot of Aircraft machine guns in the form of flexible mounted weapons (you could use them from an emplacement or handheld) such as aircraft Lewis guns, breda safats, German mg15s and maxims. Planes ranged from practical real life fighters of 1920s and 30s to Schneider trophy racing planes converted as fighters.
      The idea was that you were a ww1 veteran working as a bounty hunter. You had to take down fellow pilots and large airships called ranging from flying airstrips, floating miniature towns etc. You also had a secondary antagonist as the fascist government of Italy sought to end both the pirates and the bounty hunters by their own air armada. Aesthetics were mostly art deco/dieselpunk. The idea sadly ended abruptly. Being an adult takes up a lot of time.

    • @robgraham5697
      @robgraham5697 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ishaandas3006 Very cool idea. Very imaginative.
      And yeah, adulting sucks.

  • @czack_rz3532
    @czack_rz3532 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    On the final mag dump - to my ear the rate of fire varied a little bit. Would that be due to the ammo or the gun?

  • @mean45acp
    @mean45acp ปีที่แล้ว

    Ian
    Just wanted to let you and the viewers know about an issue you stated. The "floating" of the last 2 or 3 rounds of ammo from a magazine is ONLY an issue if you are shooting the weapon in SEMIAUTOMATIC. When running the Johnson in full auto with either short bursts or with a mag dump, the issue disappears every time.
    I own a Johnson LMG and to be honest it is my pride and joy. Of all of the machine guns.I own it was the HARDEST to find. I purchased it in 2011 in PA when I lived there. It came from the widow of the man whose father carried it on TARAWA. When I acquired it the rifle did not have the bipod. I figured I would NEVER find a bipod, but the lady contacted me about 2 months later and asked if I could come by and see if a box of "stuff" that was labeled "Johnson parts" she had just found were parts for the Johnson I bought.
    When I arrived at her home, she led me to the garage and there was a foot locker from WW2 with "JOHNSON PARTS" painted in military stencil. I opened it and almost had a heart attack. The bipod was there, along with 20 magazines that looked brand new, several still had oiled paper wraps on them. Also was a sling, and 200 03 Springfield stripper clips. Several other little things were there as well. I asked how much she wanted for the foot locker and was told if those are parts for that "WEIRD RIFLE" take them, they are yours. When I picked it up I saw a other foot locker marked BAR STUFF. I asked if I could look at that box and she said I could have it for $100. I handed her $100 and put both foot lockers in my truck. The BAR stuff was a bipod, 50 magazines, sling, a bolt, 2 barrels, and some small parts.
    I asked if she had any other guns she wanted to sell. She asked me if I had been in the Marines. I showed her the tattoo on my arm and she said, come on in and see what you want.
    I had to call a friend who owns a gun store to come over so we could do a ton of paperwork.
    She sold me a BAR, a Garand, 3 M1 Carbines, and 3 1911s, and a 1917 Colt.
    I felt as though I had taken advantage of her because of how little money she wanted for all of it. I explained how much the guns were worth but she did not seem to care.
    She said none of her family wanted the weapons around and that she and her husband had discussed the guns before his death. He wanted them to go to " A GOOD HOME, HOPEFULLY A MARINE HOME",.that is where they are and where they will STAY.
    GREAT VIDEO.ON THE JOHNSON LMG. They TRULY ARE FORGOTTEN WEAPONS!!!!!

  • @theblackhand6485
    @theblackhand6485 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice. This gun really sounds good. Strong and powerful.

  • @nbenicewicz
    @nbenicewicz ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I look at the Johnson and I can't help but think that there was some missed potential. The firing chamber is located above the magazine action. I can't help but think that if the magwell part of the action could have be enlarged enough to use BAR magazines. Then since it used a side mounted magazine they could have developed 40 round magazines for it that would have been about the same overall length as the 20 round single stack magazines.
    I also wonder if someone could have come up with a belt fed version that could have looked similar to what would later be seen on the HK-21 machine gun.
    What do you think Ian @ForgottenWeapons ?

  • @Mindflayer911
    @Mindflayer911 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Stripper clip reloading definitaly makes sense considering the marines didnt get Garands in large numbers until later in the war. (43 I think - not sure) Anyway, makes sense from a early war logistic standpoint.

    • @cammobunker
      @cammobunker ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Technically the Marines adopted the Garand in 1940, but there was a great amount of pushback from the old salts. It was in very limited numbers through 1941, but the fighting on Guadalcanal showed that the M1903's days were past. In roughly mid-1942, the Corps went to replacement of all M1903 rifles with M1 rifles, and by the battle of Tarawa in November of 43 the entire Marine Corps was armed with the M1. The only exception might be some stateside garrison and guard units and shipboard detachments, essentially support troops as opposed to combat troops. New units being stood up in late 1942 were being issued all Garands. One would sometimes find an old Gunny or Master Sergeant packing an M1903 though. Also the Marines issued the M1 Carbine and M1A! Thompson sub-machine gun in large numbers as well.

  • @ole7428
    @ole7428 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey, very interesting to hear about machine gun plastic belts!
    Thank you.

  • @The_Modeling_Underdog
    @The_Modeling_Underdog ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sold on it. Absolutely beautiful.

  • @gordoncouger9648
    @gordoncouger9648 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The 101st jumped with BARs. A friend of mine carried one in WW II. He went out the door, weighing almost 400 pounds. He dropped the two 60-pound leg packs of ammo before he hit the ground. He was 6' 2" at the upper limit the paratroopers would take. His only combat was a truck ride to Bastone for Christmas.

  • @markpeterson1819
    @markpeterson1819 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always wish you would show the target just for an idea how easy or tough it is to keep on target.

    • @tpelle2
      @tpelle2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually, the group size for a machine gun is not so relative. What good does it really do to send an entire burst through the same hole? The effectiveness of a machine gun is in indirect fire area denial. There's a story of an early British machine gun (Maybe the BREN gun?) that was TOO accurate, and the British army had the mount redesigned so that the gun sort of bounced around a little so as to provide MORE shot dispersion.
      Actually I may have heard that here!

    • @markpeterson1819
      @markpeterson1819 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@tpelle2 To be honest I was actually meaning groups with the smg's that he does. Nice to find out if they stay on a man sized target at 50 yards or not. My only experience with full auto at distance was an M2 carbine at 50 yards and even in short bursts it was tough to keep on target.

  • @jacknelson8601
    @jacknelson8601 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhhhhh yes, the famous Johnny Gun! My fav video to date...thankyou Ian!

  • @stefanmolnapor910
    @stefanmolnapor910 ปีที่แล้ว

    Forgotten Weapons and War Stories with Mark Felton are all I need in life.

  • @JF-xq6fr
    @JF-xq6fr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What would happen if you selected full auto with a round in the chamber, closed bolt and fired?

    • @larrythorn4715
      @larrythorn4715 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also something I want to know. And how about the change from auto to semi?

  • @edwardanenberg349
    @edwardanenberg349 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can’t help looking at that weapon, and thinking about a belt fed version 😎

    • @WaukWarrior360
      @WaukWarrior360 ปีที่แล้ว

      An underfed receiver and chambered in the T65 cartridge too

  • @nealgold8442
    @nealgold8442 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and content!

  • @paultwitty2996
    @paultwitty2996 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always your videos give the gun folks a good name

  • @kyle857
    @kyle857 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This has to be of the best looking guns of all time.

  • @biggerbehindthetrigger2814
    @biggerbehindthetrigger2814 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really like that weapon. I wonder how much they are? It would be a great investment and fun to shoot. They are rare, $65,000 rare. I'm still going to keep my eyes open. I should do a video on class 3 firearms. Go into the special safe and put some ammunition through them. I just don't like to shoot them that much. Well the old ones and rare ones not that the safe is full but capital wise it is.

  • @bulukacarlos4751
    @bulukacarlos4751 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fantastic! Just one question: When you changed from semi to full you should have activated the bolt and ejected an active ammunition. In the case of going from full auto to semi, do you have to do any specific action? Greetings from Patagonia Argentina

    • @Stevarooni
      @Stevarooni ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm guessing that when he switches from full- to semi-auto, he would have to pull the bolt handle making the bolt close, loading the first round.

    • @bulukacarlos4751
      @bulukacarlos4751 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Stevarooni I assume the same as you, but I don't know if I should do it slowly to avoid the percussion of the primer. Thank you for your comment and greetings from Patagonia Argentina.

  • @Drownedinblood
    @Drownedinblood ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I imagine it was some officer reading through the history of paramarines and the Johnson that led to IAR being a thing.

  • @royshobe6642
    @royshobe6642 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome, thanks for making this video

  • @honorb4glory606
    @honorb4glory606 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just realized something huge. Ian is concentrated kryptonite to the anti-gun crowd and narative. He's 100% non-threatening, he looks and sounds like an educated left-leaning intellectual, he educates others about guns in a fun and interesting way, and naturally dispells gun control myths and misunderstandings. The more popular Ian gets, the better.

  • @DuckAllMighty
    @DuckAllMighty ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My first thought when I saw this was like: "Wait isn't this an FG-42?" but I see they have some distinct differences. This is a pretty cool example of convergent design to overcome the same issues for paratroopers.

  • @stevenhall2408
    @stevenhall2408 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Over 30 years ago I was looking in M&I Surplus in Pomona, Ca and there was this 4x4 creight full of these magazines. They were $10 each, I thought they were Madsen mags but many years later I found out otherwise and watching this video reminded me they were Johnson magazines! I wish I had bought at least one as my great uncle had served in the 1st Special Service Force and no doubtedly were around them in Italy.

  • @stevekillgore9272
    @stevekillgore9272 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome, thanks all !

  • @rdb8509
    @rdb8509 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a cool MG!

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I didn't even know the USMC was using this thing. Thank you.

  • @cerberus144
    @cerberus144 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ian, his camera, and his Johnson.

  • @juhomaki-petaja
    @juhomaki-petaja ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this gun. Just by looks and mechanics

  • @stephengiunta1564
    @stephengiunta1564 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great presentation!

  • @TheGodParticle
    @TheGodParticle ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much from taking that beauty from all positions. Hope this baby helped the American forces in the Pacific war. Cheers from England.

  • @r.9158
    @r.9158 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the idea of topping off with clips.
    I didn't realize this thing had such a high rate of fire.
    Maybe it was just the ammo or something because it seems like a lower RPM count when you fired it standing.

  • @dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073
    @dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    such a cool design

    • @Gem_MintCollectibles
      @Gem_MintCollectibles ปีที่แล้ว

      Congratulations 🎉
      You're one lucky soul🙂
      Contact the above to get your (new gun)🔫🔫🔫

  • @MrCrystalcranium
    @MrCrystalcranium ปีที่แล้ว

    What an amazing piece. "That'll rattle your bell"! Perfect. I can see why proud and burley US Marines loved this thing.

  • @evandotterer4365
    @evandotterer4365 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I particularly like the Johnson lmk cause they some at canal. They played a pivotal roll in fire power supremacy defending the airfield. Really cool

  • @vincentmueller3717
    @vincentmueller3717 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    At some point in time, a 12cell magazine pouch was made for Johnson mgs, but that might have been after the USMC called them in and the army issued some.

  • @spartan7042
    @spartan7042 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Johnson has always been one of my favorites

  • @user-fs5zr5gc3k
    @user-fs5zr5gc3k 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My father was a Marine and was a Johnson user in combat. One thing he spoke of was turning the SMG on it's side with the magazine up and using it from the hip that way. He stated that in this configuration it's downward ejection made the SMG "float" and was easier to control. He also stated that he was several times asked to go to the front lines and "let off a clip or two" to stir up the enemy. Seems they were drawn to the sound and assumed that "something" was up" and gathered for combat, which let the line know where they were and where to aim and call in mortars or shelling. He loved the SMG and hated giving it up.

  • @SkylersRants
    @SkylersRants ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a treat for us too. Thanks

    • @Gem_MintCollectibles
      @Gem_MintCollectibles ปีที่แล้ว

      Congratulations 🎉
      You're one lucky soul🙂
      Contact the above to get your (new gun)🔫🔫🔫

  • @josephbilling6445
    @josephbilling6445 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always thought the regular johnson rifle was the coolest but this is pretty rad.

  • @edm240b9
    @edm240b9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never wanted to love a gun so much, but after having the chance to fire one, the thing just beat the hell out of me.