-Looks at price of PC -Claims that it costs $500 -Looks at GPU -Checks price of GPU in Australia -costs around $400 AUD -GPU costs almost as much as the claimed PC price in my country -Laughs and Cries hysterically
NFINWIFN I don't think you get it. what he's saying is PC parts are simply more expensive in AUS. Not because of the exchange rate, just in general. What you can find easily in the US for 100USD can easily cost $350 USD in AUS.
The results are very interesting but whilst watching this video i came to a realization "The editing is gorgeous and very well done, how does he not have more subs!" Seriously man these video's are done very well! good job!
JERMgaming I am extremely glad TH-cam put you in my recommended, your content is top notch. The transitions between games are really well done and the music is well picked. I plan to get a 1060 6gb myself, and It's amazing how well it seems to run. Very informative, keep up the great work
JERMgaming first of all i realy like the idea of the pc and i have a similar pc with 4g ram and an lower rank gpu . can you add test of rust or ARK to your tast at 1080?
This guy does a really good job with comparing and analyzing games, from this and Digital Foundry, it's the best source of seeing how games compare from PC to console, in fact, they should hire you with how well of a job you do.
***** You could be right, but what a team it would be, this guy, Richard and John from Digital Foundery, wouldn't need to look anywhere else for my comparisons.
Steven Rose I'm just grateful that the myth about the PC being expensive is being broken, too much misinformation goes around from console gamers about the PC which a lot of which is outdated information and as we know, building a PC to play compete with the consoles is doable for similar price or just a bit more and the the running cost are much less so overall the PC works out cheaper depending how you use it.
the main thing is PS4 pro unfortunately will not support all games and most will run like a regular PS4 game. this GPU will improve performance on EVERY game.
Sony announced it. Every new game coming out on ps4 have to have ps4 pro support. But in most cases its just simple upping the resolution to 1440-1800p and than either up scaling to 4k or downsampling to 1080p. Only few games so far have actual effort put in their pro patches. Last of us remaster and rise of the tomb raider are examples of good pro patches. Shame sony locked pro power and made it preform like standard ps4 if there are no patches its only sony decision if it didnt pro could easilly brute force more preformance than ps4 in unpatched games.
Edit: I'm wrong see below. Original: Arguably this is incorrect. Every ps4 game will benefit, not in graphics quality, but in framerate. Not all games on the ps4 run without dropping frames. The pro may not get any extra graphical bells and whistles, but every game will be less likely to drop frames. Note: for the games that didn't drop frames _at all_ the benefit will be in lower fan speeds or lower console temps. Not particuarly useful! Don't misunderstand me! But there are very few games that are actually locked at their target framerate to the point where they never ever drop frames. You are right that the extra performance won't increase visual fidelity unless the games actually bother to release a patch. But smoothness is a factor of available processing power, and the pro has more, therefore it will be closer to the target framerate. (Which for Console is *typically* 30 frames per second)
JERMgaming I just bought an rx480 for 170$ with a free civ 6 code. Basically payed 110$ for it when you take out the civ 6 cost. Have a good platform right now with a 6700k and 16gb of ddr4. Gonna upgrade in the future to a 1080. That 480 was more than worth it
Hey Jerm enjoy the time off but I was just looking for your opinion on something. I was thinking of upgrading to a 1440p monitor because my r9 390s doing quite well with that resolution i get about 75 fps on BF1. But I'd lose my 144hz capabilities and free sync. Do you think it'd be worth it?. I look forward to more Pm Pro vids keep up the good work.
Gino hold on, avira antivirus has a free version. I used it for 3 years on laptop. Never failed me and even did it's job. I remember playing Command and conquer renegade and a pop up said a hacker intrusion attempt detected and killed the game and saved me.
@@eugenebarragan176 NICE BUUUURN!! Except you can get anti-virus protection for free. Anti-virus came with my current PC. Had it for over 3-4 years now. Not a single virus. Nice try though. How's paying to go online on consoles? Can't feel beneficial when you know it's free and far more superior on the PC platform.
@@eugenebarragan176 or for people on windows 10 which is probably 90% of people, it has built in antivirus which works great actually not to mention you're only gonna get a virus if you go to weird websites and download unsafe stuff I personally have never gotten a virus from normal use
Yeah. The 3GB version is a sham. That's really only good for 1080p, and just barely. I think GTA V used more than that at 1080p, without maxing out the settings. I have 8GB of vRAM, and I think that that will be the standard in 2017, as 2GB was in 2012 and 2013. I'll upgrade soon enough. 4K is very motivating. :P
I mean, many people are going to stick with 1080p for a long time. With lower resolutions than 4K, higher resolutions have almost always meant more real-estate, because it was all at 100% scaling. Now, with 4K, though, I have 125% scaling on a 28" monitor, and everything is very small. My vision is quite good for nearby objects, but I have to sit properly (enough) at my desk to see everything alright. This scaling means that having higher resolutions will be less important, as it will only increase the graphical fidelity of icons, sprites, and assets in general. It won't be too much to fit on a 1080p screen. I mean, we can only see so much detail. I would definitely not recommend upgrading from 1440p, especially an expensive 1440p monitor, now, or for quite a while. 4K is still quite new and unnecessary, though very cool. There will be 5K, 6K, and 8K monitors, or at least TVs, when it comes to that last one. They won't be very useful, though. You might as well just get a 4K monitor, so long as this type of display is what's used. Stick to 1440p until your monitor breaks, or something like that. If you've invested much in sub-4K, you need to savour your investment. 4K will be as cheap as 1080p has been for years now, in only a few years. Somewhere around the beginning of the new decade. These panels will be much better than even more expensive panels that are sold now, too. 1440p looks great. At least, if you haven't seen 4K. ;P
The 1440p/144Hz combo is pretty much the best for gaming in my opinion, esp. for FPS', racing games, flight sims, anything competitive. Even 1080p/144Hz is good, but has to be at least 120Hz for me. I can't game on a lesser refresh rate anymore, hurts my eyes and gives me headaches.
SoadAddict91 Well, given that you now games on a 144Hz monitor, how much do you actually game on a 60Hz one, honestly? I don't think that headache thing is based in reality. We can see a difference between 60FPS and 144, but 144Hz is way past the line of diminishing returns for the eyes. Really, 60Hz is plenty. Below that isn't very good, but I'd never want to use a 1440p monitor. That's so low-res now. 4K 60Hz>1440p 144Hz.
TheBcoolGuy Everybody sees things differently and I have seen examples of people easily differentiating 120Hz or higher from 60Hz. 4k is awesome when it comes to graphical fidelity in terms of resolution, but I'll wait until an affordable 4k/144Hz option becomes available.
@@TheBcoolGuy Even in 2020 😁 I bought 1440p screen year ago, and I have good one 144Hz IPS... And not going to change for few years... Now with my RTX 2070 Super it works perfect! 1060 6gb was a bit weak...
I can't even watch TH-cam at 144p without freezing. My internet is so bad. It's been 2 hours but finally I finished the video. Keep up the good work! ;)
I'm probably going to sell my PS3 and PS4 to build a PC. I already have my pc parts picked out depending on how much money I'll have, but in the end I'll be able to push out high to ultra setting on it :D plus I got some money saved up.
The biggest disappointment I have with the PS4 Pro (and it seems a lot of others do too) is that it really isn't a 60 fps machine outside of a select few cases. I know Sony was kind of handcuffed with their CPU choice (I assume it's the same as the base PS4 for compatibility reasons), and 1440p-4k at 30 fps isn't a bad way to go for budget hardware like a console. Still, 60 fps or higher is the defining factor for a premium gaming experience in my opinion, and very few people currently have the displays necessary to take advantage of 4k & HDR; the latter is also plagued by horrible input lag in all but the most expensive displays. This sort of thing will get better over time, but the PC wins on this reason alone in my book.
Yup man u are on the money here. Jaguar notebook cpu used in ps4pro has many advantages, its small, cheap to produce, very power efficient(around 10TDP compared to 95 TDP of high end intel i5/i7 cpu's) easy to keep cool and silent, it just has one major flaw- its extremly fucking slow ¯\(ツ)/¯
DrearierSpider1 1080p 60 probably was not possible due to the crappy cpu. At witcher 3 it would have probably choked the performance to 50s or some other cpu hard games
I've finished Doom this weekend but didn't know it supported RTSS overlay so I didn't know how much of the GPU it was using. I'm amazed by how low the usage was across the campaign.
***** The i7-9xx supports LGA 1366 not 1156, please correct me if I'm wrong. I have an i7-870 on my 1156 board and I think it's as far as it goes. Also the purpose of the series is to keep the money spent on the masher as close as possible to what's spent on the PS4(Pro)...
Michel Victor you maybe right, I'm not entirely familiar with older intel platforms. But my point was more about getting the highest end CPU for the socket that could be reasonably achieved... Open world games as been stated, do tax the hell out of CPUs, even moderns ones. Also his choice of GPUs, I'm personally has had bad luck with Gigabyte Gaming G1 graphics cards. Nothing against GTX1060 its self other then it being just another Nvidia card and I would liked to see a change... I recently built a $450 console masher for a friend, using an old Dell with a old haswell i7-4770T (low power), 8GB 1600Mhz low profile Samsung DDR3, and a reference design RX480 8GB I snagged used at a local PC repair shot for $190. The Dell included everything needed: 300watt supply, 500GB HDD, 8GB Ram, i7-4770T, windows 10 version 1607, and sleek industrial case for $175 eBay.. Add in used $190 RX480 8GB reference from MSI.. total comes to $365... needless to say my friend is very happy. And it mashed the potato masher pro if his numbers are correct. Even if I got the GPU new $250, adding shipping for the Dell off eBay ($200 total for the dell) comes to around $450, all in. If your budget was $500, that is a PC, and a brand new games or several slightly older games... But I have seen amazing deals on eBay used market for GPUs and CPUs. I spotted a R9-390 for $150, I seen a Fury for $200. For CPUs i seen things from Xeons and I-series CPUs used selling for dirt cheap, sometimes cheaper with a used system like in the case of my friends Dell I got him $175 for him not just a high end hard to find CPU, but also included essentially an entire system.. which ini used a shitty evga GT710 for video out..that I am curious if I can use it for anything maybe video encoding/capture with OBS or something...
Good Cpu and Gpu choice but better go for the 1060 6gb model or a Rx480 with 4 or 8gb The 1060 with 3gb has less cuda cores and in some games you will be limitated by the memory
Sweet, I was hoping for a late 2016 update and wondering if it could match the iterative consoles. The impressive thing about the original was the long term tests, people thought optimizing for consoles would make the old potato masher fall away, but it held up almost exactly to them through its entire run. Hope he keeps posting updates with both.
Pcs beat consoles without that. Price alone kicks there ass. I bought 6 games on sale steam for $12. On console that would cost $360. Console starting price is good but you really get screwed over time.
Minmataro718 depends what you are looking for. If you want 4K gaming at ultra settings you'll need a gtx 1080 but if you want to game at high settings get a gtx 1070. In my opinion I wouldn't get a 1060 but if you really cannot spare that extra money for a gtx 1070 then go ahead but I'd recommend the 1070
Babar Rashid I think 4k native, ultra 60fps is a pipe dream until we see the 1100 series cards from Nvidia in a a year or so. I dont think AMDs Vega will be up to snuff either.
A 1080 isn't nearly capable of ultra 4k 60 fps in demanding games. A titan xp is almost. But yeah if you want 4k wait til the 1180 comes out. That will push 4k at ultra 60 fps.
7:16 I personally was able to upgrade to the Pro at no additional cost. Which the reason was because the PS4 was a limited edition. So, I feel that's something consoles really have that PC doesn't. They pretty much all glow, so it's the norm. The console is just capable of having a collection aspect to it.
Great concept, i just think i5 750 is not the best performance per dollar... I would bet overclocked Xeon "e" or "x"5450 would be maybe even better, for just 15-20$ and 775 mobos are steal these days (=
Ismael Peña Buy Intel xeon e or x5450 (try finding already modded one, so you dont have to mod it yourself or even worst, mobo) And find Mobo with 775 socket and one of the following chipsets: P35 G41 P45 650i 780i *The best way is to find mobo first and then check the chipset, not the other way around... Also, prepare for hair loss (a little bit) with microcodes and bios... You should check: linustechtips.com/main/topic/365998-mod-lga771-to-lga775-cpu-modification-tutorial/ And here is a suggestion for cpu: www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-E5450-Processor-3-0GHz-12M-1333-close-to-LGA775-Core-2-Quad-Q9650/32616022770.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.20.upXaFj&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_9987_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_1&btsid=91a841ba-2ed2-481a-af55-b00e9bd595a9
Ismael Peña I found E5460 (3,16ghz, compared to 3ghz of 5450), for the same amount www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-X5460-Processor-3-16GHz-12M-1333-close-to-LGA775-Core-2-Quad-Q9650/32617220484.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.55.R4RtQi&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_9987_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_1&btsid=59dadca8-8c38-4153-bd20-1111c406eee9
The way you present your information is top notch. I get use to having TH-camrs dumb things down or ramble on about irrelevant details. Your editing and presentation is up there with Digital Foundry, and with this video I feel like it's even better. Keep up the good work, you've got yourself a sub.
Well it will age worse with that 1060, but even so it will Rek consoles (kinda like how 760 was 10% faster than 270X but is now up 10-15% slower... but STILL beats the console, even with inferior support). :P So I support. Alex approves. Time to see how the Masher beats the PS4 Pro...
Doge can illuminati noscope I'd like to see your math. A 1st Gen i5 is like $35. You can get cheap used parts on Craigslist or Ebay and easily build a system as good/better than the "Potato Masher" or the "Pro" for under $500. You could find a fully built system on CL for ~$200-300, then add the GTX 1060 or RX 480. Neither card uses much power so your PSU can be garbage and it'll still work. People are always selling their older systems for dirt cheap just to get rid of them, or so they can upgrade something else.
this is one of the most comprehensive breakdowns on the subject I've seen in quite some time. Great job staying unbiased and presenting a fair comparison.
John Smith www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202186&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= 230-260 on newegg and amazon
John Smith he had 260 to spend but found a card for 230. if you're that cheap that you say $30 more is too much, that's ridiculous. That's a great card for the money
John Smith Their driver support isn't shit anymore. The past year has had amazing driver support from AMD. Also, you are comparing a card that's made for 1080p gaming against a card that throws punches with the 980ti which can't run on a 430w psu either
John Smith You had no point. You started talking about how AMD drivers are shit and they consume too much power. The Fury is much better than the 1060 so of course it will consume more power. Again you had no point.
A Fury would be a disaster if you paired it with this particular build lol. If you had a higher capacity psu and a better cpu then maybe. Honestly for most people building/upgrading a budget system a 470/480/1060 would be the better buy, even if they're losing a little bit of performance.
+JERMgaming i spend about 350 bucks (36 + 135 + 133+15+some change) on my main rig , it features an I7 2600 , 8gb of 1600mhz DDR3 and a R9 290 4gb and has a SSD to boot of , im pretty shure that thing can smash the PS4Pro , what do you think?
I use Premiere for all my regular work, but for TH-cam Vegas is faster (except when it comes to rendering). Simple transitions and other effects are much quicker in Vegas, and I use a lot of them. I'm sure I could switch to Premiere, but so far I haven't felt the need.
I don't love the results I get with Vegas, no argument there. The MainConcept codec is the only one that can balance respectable render times with a high enough bitrate for good 1440p or 4K uploads (in Vegas). I haven't messed with HEVC/h265 yet, to be fair. I'm always down to learn something new, and I've been experimenting with YT's compression for a few years. Send me an email if you don't mind, so I can flag it. If it's comments, I might lose it in the crowd. At your convenience, of course!
Potato Masher Pro just shit all over every future console upgrade in the current generation with that GPU upgarde, JERM :P So happy you went with that card for the PM PRO
I haven't seen the original Potato Masher video, but I'm glad to see you using the i5-750 and it getting good fps. I recently got a i5-650 and 1156 Asus P7P55D-E LX board from a friend, and was debating on whether or not the 750 was worth the upgrade. Thank you!
That's why I still use Win7. I loved XP, and current updated Win7 just feels like a reskinned XP with some bells and whistles. Screw Win10, I already have enough of my life and what I do recorded on a server somewhere, I don't an OS logging LITERALLY everything I do on it.
300 dollar i7 refurbished pc + 220 dollar 8 GB MSI RX 470 = 4k(at medium settings) under 550 dollars . In conclusion check amazon. If a turd could run 4k gaming id stick an hdmi cable into it and put in a card board box.
Really the 8GB MSI RX 470 could turn any system, with a 300 watt psu, an 8 thread cpu and, 8GB of fast ram, into a 4k rig. For potentially less than 800 dollars one could build a cross fire system with this gpu and rock 4k!!! 500 watt
The RX 470 is on about the same level as a 270x, at most. Perhaps a 280. Yes, you can play at 4K with that, but barely. My 390 feels weak at 4K. I can't imagine playing on the setup you suggested, even at 1080p.
Running a virtual machine isn't quite a mainstream necessity. That said, I've run plenty of VMs on 4 and 8GB systems, so yeah you could. I have 32GB in my desktop, but 8GB in my laptop. I use both for work, and they both work fine. 8 is still plenty for most people!
True enough, then again, you generally want to ooze out as much functionality as you possibly can. You can, but you'll have to deal with the cursor flickering. I use my win10 laptop with 8gb running Fedora inside a VM (which has a 1gb minimum). I run at 4gb. And, it's still pretty slow. Could be a product of VBox, but I kinda doubt it. I think it's more based around Win10 being a resource hog on older hardware. I use my desktop machine for virtual images, 16gb, with 8gb+ assigned to the Vbox and it runs ten times smoother. The real issue is when it comes to upgrading your OS which takes absolutely forever on an under-powered machine. I didn't say you couldn't use it. I just said, you probably wouldn't want to. Since, it will take an hour to run a sys upgrade. Which, imo, that's abysmal. What image do you run? Also, I would take a little bit of an exception to the statement that most people just need 8gb. Tons of people are running 100 tabs in their Chrome. Along with 15 extensions. And, they never even reboot. So, I think for practical use, most people want 16gb so they aren't causing stalls because of improper use when multi-tasking. I used to repair cellphones. Some people would bring it complaining it ran slow. That was because they had 14 applications open at once. So, I disagree there. 8gb assumes that you're actually maintaining your machine. And, for a lot of people, most, that's not the case. Like I said, it seems like a good build for gaming. And, that's what the video is about, so well done. But, not so sure about some other things. Just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who would otherwise want that functionality.
Most consumer PCs I see being sold (not high-end stuff, "regular PCs") still have 4-8GB. I don't disagree that 16GB would be nice, but most people seem to still be happy with 8GB or less. There are still millions of office PCs running 4GB, and they're totally fine. Most people are nowhere near power users. Heck, I was still editing video and doing design work with the Adobe suite on a 4GB laptop when I traveled as recently as early this year, and it was slow but still usable. I'm running W10 Pro, to answer your question. I'm not sure I agree with you about OS upgrade time being affected that much. I've done plenty of W7 installs on old 1-2GB machines for clients, and HDD speed appears to be the most consistent bottleneck. I also don't see high RAM usage during OS updates, so while I'm not outright disagreeing with you, I haven't noticed what you're referring to.
You're right about the bottleneck. That said, I upgraded to Fedora 25 using my laptop's virtual machine, and watched the ram spike to what I dedicated for that machine. I was curious about that claim, and I saw a few computers being sold with 4gb. But, very few. And, I'm pretty sure those are all running Win8. I actually meant your virtual image, but you answered my question. I'm really surprised you haven't considered using more linux distros with those machines with such low memory lol. Either way, take it easy. It's obvious we're not gonna agree. But, take care.
I can't use Linux distros on them, they were all for regular office workers for nonprofits, or for family members. I have to do enough training on simple stuff like creating zips and storing all important data on network drives, I don't think learning an entirely new OS with the downsides of Linux (for the average consumer) would be a good idea :-) For my VM, I used Linux a few times, but it was mostly so I could test things in older Windows environments. Linux might need a lot more RAM, I'd defer to you on that.
I really respect your view on the whole console vs PC debate and I wish everyone had the same view. I play on PC but I never make a fuss if someone prefers playing on console. I've gamed on consoles for most of my life and enjoyed every second of it. I just simply prefer PC now.
So technically speaking, these specs wouldn't exactly cost $500 to get 4k... if anyone try to duplicate this build, hoping to get 4k. it would be over 750$. What the point of this video again? That you manage to savage parts from your old build with some additional parts that is less than $500 to reach 4k?
JERMgaming You're saying if a person wants a $500 PC that does 4k, they will have to put effort and time into it? The kind of effort and time that the majority don't have because they are busy with their live? Because yes I researched the parts and put them together and it was noticeably over $800.. However if you're talking about USED parts.. that's stupid. Might as well buy a USED PS4. Save those times for something more important.Sorry I just don't see the relevant of this video.
Well first of all, these parts aren't "savaged" from his old build, this is the same build, he just swaps in and out the GPU from the 760 in the original videos, to the 1060 in the Pro videos. Secondly, these parts were bought used in 2014, so of course if you bought them brand new and without the deals he got, then yes, it would cost $750. But we're talking about what he payed back then. Today, you could get a Dell Optiplex with an i5 2400 for around $190 AUD (much less in USD). Slot in 4GB of RAM, a new PSU and a GPU, you could have a PC similar to this for around the same cash, but with better performance. But he's not here to do constant upgrades, this is just a build for experimenting.
InsaneEnergy The title said 4k for under $500, so in that sense, people/i was under the impression that a computer under $500 was built, capable of doing 4k. Also there's no point in buying a PC in Australia, the shipping cost to the US would already cover the reduced price. Not only that, buying a cheap product and then upgrading up to save $$ is like buying a third-party product for one tenth of the original price. It's going to be garbage, unless you are doing an upgrade like this dude.
Boring Banana Chicken Wing Well yes, it is $500 all up. It was $350 for the original build, and if we assume he sold the 760 and got a good deal on a 1060, that's fair. Uh, yes there is a point of buying a PC in Australia. It's called: Not being restricted to playing on a console. And I'll take that over a PS4 or Xbox any day of the week. And you're overestimating the shipping here. Like I said, if I got a Dell Optiplex with an i5, put in 4GB of extra RAM, a new PSU (doesn't even have to be high-quality) and a new GPU (probably 1050 ti to compete with the OG masher) it would be cheap as hell. These are all EXPERIMENTS. If you want to buy brand new hardware, you can do that. You want to buy used hardware? You can do that.
InsaneEnergy The original build was $350?! Preposterous. Does that include the 760? I don't think so. The price of products doesn't increase over time. Even if the products were used. The price I added together were both from new and used parts, currently, both were over $700 before adding in the 1060. Unless he by some miracle found someone who was selling it and made some pretty bloody good deals, refer to my first comment to JERMgaming.
You’d need to get used parts to build it for under 500. I already entered in the memory, cpu, and GPU in pcpartpicker. I replaced the i5 750 with the i5 3470. The price is already $516.
Like he said the video's point isn't to tell you which is superior. There are many reasons to buy a console or a PC. This video and the other is to point out what you can do for the same money.
I just found your channel through this video ,and I must say I am really happy I did . your video really shows how much work you put in it . and this is my first time I watch a long pc-hardware video ,and I enjoyed every pits of it . keep up the good work budd :D
JERMgaming thats because people use pc for other purposes. Console Community is much bigger when it comes to big Triple A titles like COD, FIFA and even Battlefield. Consoles are the preferred platform for gaming. There is a reason why most big devs don't care about PCs. PCs never make that much game sales compared to consoles. Look at gta community on consoles vs pc. Its like a day and night difference
Aj Daniel can't use gta cause the game was sold on 4 different platforms before coming to pc, so alot of pc players did not buy it. and money made with game sales are higher on pc.(total amount)
Aj Daniel and no they do care gta5 still sold 6 mil copies on pc so there is still alot of money to be made for devs. they don't care how big the difference is, they just care about extra income.
In the Witcher 3, Novigrad is LEAST demanding location in terms of graphics, however it can be argued that the area is CPU intense. I typically see about 70-75 fps, dipping as low as 60 fps while in Novigrad. But in places like Skellige, where you have more foliage, I argue that this is more intensive. I typically see 60-65 fps here with lows in the mid 40's. But to truly test the limits of a rig with Witcher 3, you gotta do it in the Fairy Tale Land at the end of Blood and Wine. I see a 45-50 fps AVERAGE in this area.
Yes, it does. My i5-4690k running at 4.6Ghz is still more powerful than a stock clocked i5-7600k, despite being 3 years older and having to use DDR3 RAM and not DDR4.
Hey JERMgaming, since you still have $33 left after subtracting the GPU cost, do you think you might upgrade the CPU and RAM? You could probably get $40 if you sold your i5 750 based on what they are currently going for on ebay, putting you at $73 total. With that much money, you could upgrade your cpu to an X3470 Quad Core Hyper-Threaded Processor at 2.93Ghz($50), which I am sure you could overclock further, and you could add an extra 4GB of RAM, or perhaps a cooler upgrade if you are confident that 8GB will be enough for a while, which I think it will. CPU: www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-X3470-SLBJH-2-93GHZ-8MB-2-5GT-S-CPU-Processor-/182362873195? RAM: pcpartpicker.com/product/2fw323/kingston-memory-kvr13n9s84 Cooler: pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2
Whether you prefer console or not, I don't understand why anyone would be exclusive to one medium. Why would you limit the variety of games you can play because you have a bug up your ass about frame rates? I game on PC and have a PS4. Which I think every PC gamer should do, have at least one console. Any third party title, DOOM, Battlefield, GTA, COD, etc...of course I have on PC because I want the best experience possible when playing games. But I have a PS4 because I like SONY'S first party titles. Because I don't know if you're aware of this but God of War, Uncharted, and The Last of Us aren't on PC and never will be. And I enjoy those games. Plus, Horizon and the new Spider-Man game look freaking awesome. Neither of which will be on PC by the way either. Playing games at 30fps isn't the end of the freakin' world. I'm also a huge Gears of War fan and was planning on getting an XBOX to play it. But when MS started PLAY ANYWHERE, I no longer needed to waste $400 on another console. And unless you're still playing 360 games, I don't see why you would. In fact, if I plan on buying another console in the future it'll be the Nintendo Switch.
Yep, I own a gaming PC and Wii U. I didn't go for a PS4 yet since there weren't many exclusives that actually interest me. I might pick up a PS Pro at some point though seeing as the exclusive library is growing stronger and stronger now. XB1 is out of the question now that we'll get all games on W10. Gamers like us get the best of both worlds :)
Calling this PC build a "4K $500" build is a bit misleading. It seems to be running only older titles at 4k at abysmally low settings at sub 30 fps. It's as much of a native 4k machine as the Pro is (which can do native 4k) on less GPU intensive titles, sure - but it too shouldn't be considered a 4k gaming device for modern AAA GPU intensive titles. But telling somebody you can build a native 4k gaming machine for 500 dollars is EXTREMELY MISLEADING and it's only going to make things frustrating for them. For example, according to Digital Foundry, not even a Titan X Pascal can do Dishonered 2 at 4k with a stable framerate. Let alone a 1060. But I guess, youtube click bait picture/title and everything.
LHK Kang he said this is not a 4k machine just like the pro isn't. and dishonored is badly optimized on pc, a titan x will easily do 4k on dishonored. click bait sure, but that is what they advertised the pro for.
The Pro can't do 4k either. There's only a select few games (indie games and sports games) that can do it. Can the PS4 Pro do GTA V at 4k 60FPS? Didn't think so. Can this? Absolutely. Also, Digitalfoundry is right, a Titan X Pascal can't do Dishonored 2 at 4k at a stable frame rate. That's a problem with the game, not the GPU. The game is poorly optimized on PC.
Is Medium abysmally low? That's what GTA V and The Witcher 3 ran at, and they're both from 2015. DOOM was on the highest settings with a little res scaling.... and when was it sub-30fps? Got a timecode for me, or are you just complaining?
JERMgaming Yeah, some of those are older legacy titles. GTA is a last gen game for example. For example the Pro is running several last gen titles like The Last of Us, Darksiders at native 4k 60 fps. This PC build isn't a 4k worthy build. Try running Dishonored 2 (recent AAA released game) with this build at 4k at medium or higher settings at 30 fps or better. Also, yes it's nice that it does Doom at 4k....with resolution scaling...which means it's not native 4k dude. Nobody serious about PC gaming considers this a legit Native 4k machine. It can do some titles at 4k, just as the pro is doing some titles at native 4k. Neither are native 4k reliable. Let me ask you an honest question. Outside cherry picking certain titles, do you feel confident that this PC build can run most of any modern released AAA game here on out at native 4k at graphical settings and frame rates you approve of? Probably not right? So okay, this isn't a 4k PC build. And my point stands, video and title are misleading.
LHK Kang Dishonoured 2 is hard to run on any PC, and that's not an inherent issue with the PC, it's a problem with the game. Doom can do native 4k, but for the smoothest experience it's best to pick resolution scaling. The Pro doesn't deliver native 4k either, usually 1800p with checkerboarding. Fuck off, console shill.
While re-watching this video, I've come to realize that with the 33$ extra you had left after buying the GPU, you could have pitched in for a better CPU cooler and also have higher CPU speeds, just like the PS4 Pro, which would've made it even closer in terms of upgrades. Just a thought though.
You couldn't further from the truth IMO. I picked up a used q9650 for $30 and used 775 motherboard for $30 and added a 1050 ti and it tears up all new games. The vendors have warranties for the used parts, google even has a protection plan to add to the ebay parts. That cpu runs super cool and is begging for an overclock. Care to dive deeper why you think used parts = complete bullshit?
used parts are amazing for anyone that doesn't want the latest and greatest. Like yeah, RX 480 is a great value, but below RX 470 is not, instead you'll want a used 7970. Also a used fury x is a good alternative to 1070 and will likely age like a 1080. And as stated before newer cpu tech isn't worth it.
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Idiot Stick Why I think it's complete bullshit? I wasn't referring to the parts themselves, but its very obviously deceptive to use the price in the title as the main attraction of the video. Used part prices are never the same between two regions. I myself have religiously used used parts before and they have worked perfectly with no complaints from this side, sure, its a gamble, but the chances of it being a scam is rare.
+Idiot Stick I totally stand behind what you just said right there. I currently have a system with 4 Xeon W3530 cpus (a total of 16 cores, 32 threads), 24gb of ddr3 ram, a zotac gtx 1070 and it runs games no problem. The Xeon W3530 literally goes for $5 on ebay right now, and a quad socket board is usually about $60-120 depending on availability at the time. I stent no more than $650-700 getting that system up and running.
I would ask you why would someone purchase a device (console in this case) to play games on their 1080p or 4K TV when the device can't even output that high? Pointless and stupid argument, you don't buy a PC to play on a monitor.... You buy a PC to play games, on whatever display technology is appropriate for you.
the gtx 1060 is in some titles already struggling with its badly measured 6gb vram (at least that goes for 4k). its just a pure 1080/1440p gaming card, it might be capable of playing in 4k for some time, but in the future it will be useless, since 6gb vram are just way too small. and to your question: normal/casual people just simply don't care, and i think when you're making a video of this kind that you are mostly targeting people that are knowing what they are about to do ;) like i said, the build itself is okay, or a funny project. but it doesn't make sense at all to only spend 500$ for a rig to play on 4k.
rx 480 would have been the better choice with 8gigs of vram, and also cheaper than the gigabyte gtx 1060. at least in germany, and probably because of the vram and its dx12 power more future proof :P
I was going to buy the Pro, but my old GPU on my PC broke down on me (560ti, ancient.. I know). So instead of going for the Pro, I just ordered a 1070, to go with my old i5 2500k. Now I'm running all the newest games on Ultra with a steady 60-100fps at 1080p.
When the potato masher was new and even now a really good alternative is to get a used Dell Precision T3500 and a GPU. Now that even more systems are going off lease you can get the 4 core nehalem Xeon version, 4-12gb of ram, a 500gb-2tb hard drive, and a 500w psu for $90-$170 on ebay. If you get a lower power GPU or one that only needs 6 pci you can use the stock PSU right from the get go. If you got a 960 used for ~$140 and the precision for ~$190 (with shipping) you end up with a reasonably powerful gaming computer for only $340 with Windows included in the form of the COA sticker, you just have to make Windows 7 install media which is crazy easy to do. The Precision uses a standard ATX psu so if you want to upgrade that you can quite easily and if you need a better processor (streaming, heavy video editing, something like that) you can get a six core Xeon X5670 for ~$100 on amazon which puts you in punching range of an i7 4770 or the FX 8350.
Dude very well made video, and I like how you actually explained as many different gaming scenarios as possible within a reasonable time. Really put a lot of perspective as to the different target audiences of each machine.
Im running a very similar build to yours in what I call the "old rig" . Stuffed a 390x I got a deal on in it and 16 gigs of ram and it just kills 1080p . That ole i5-750 has served me well for a long time.
i know this has nothing to do with the video, well kind of, but i got an alienware m17x R4 for £15 and honestly the capabilities of a laptop is still comparable to consoles and even older titles can be brought back to life
This channel has the perfect balance of professional production and a humble, more relatable thinking orientation. It's like digital foundry, but with character and personality. Charisma perhaps...
Hey it's a PC enthusiast from 2018, you'd think the price for this build would drop after 4 years, but it's actually risen significantly. If you're looking to get a PC in the foreseeable future, don't build, buy prebuilt instead. There are tons of pre-built sales that are insane, just keep a keen eye on /r/buildapcsales on reddit.
this is the definition of quality content
Pewdiepie? plz Ikr, I freakin love his channel!!
I watch people like techsource, linus, austin evans but god damn this guy made a hell of a nice video.
CT gam3r Not to defend PewDiePie but his channel put out different content so..
Abitosh ??? "Pewdiepie? plz" it's his name, I wasn't talking about pewds himself ahah
CT gam3r Wut I don't see anyone with that username lol
You know, for those people who can't afford top tier PCs, but have top tier 4k monitors. xD
You can find 4k monitors for 300 bucks now.
Yeah of course, but we're talking about gaming on 4k.
enticed2zeitgeist Yeah, and those monitors are gaming monitors.
Air stuff17
Yeah, what kind of GPU is in a $500 computer that can drive 8m+ pixels decently? No low tier computer that I've come across yet.
enticed2zeitgeist The fuck are you talking about? I just said that there are 4k monitors for 300 bucks now. Can you read?
Anything can be a 4k gaming pc if your expectations are low enough
The ashes of my dead cat, as well?
only if you water cool them...
No, mate.
TheBcoolGuy don't come crying to me when they overheat then... *badum tsshh*
I thought I made it clear that I'd already taken the joke as far as I'm okay with.
-Looks at price of PC
-Claims that it costs $500
-Looks at GPU
-Checks price of GPU in Australia
-costs around $400 AUD
-GPU costs almost as much as the claimed PC price in my country
-Laughs and Cries hysterically
That you have to rob a bank in order to get a PC in Australia. Consoles on the other hand are the same price as they are in the US.
***** and how much does the 4K PC cost in AUD?
NFINWIFN I don't think you get it. what he's saying is PC parts are simply more expensive in AUS. Not because of the exchange rate, just in general. What you can find easily in the US for 100USD can easily cost $350 USD in AUS.
You people think that's bad, it's worse in New Zealand.
where i live is the inverse, console prices cost over 1k dollars sometimes while pc is pretty cheap.
LinusTechTips: 4K for $15,000
This guy: this video
he said "masher pro" exactly 202 times in this video
As many times as the $ony goons like Mark Cerny said 4K at the Pro reveal event
SaberLegend HOW MUCH FREE TIME DO YOU HAVE?!?
SaberLegend as soon as I read that, he said it again
SaberLegend you my man are a hero
Sage Sam i'm guessing he had 35 minutes free time..?
Personally, 1440p/144Hz > 4K/60Hz
Sir_Sethery Of course, DAH ! 1080p / 144hz OR 4k / 60hz. NOW thats the question !
1440p144>4k60>1080p144>1080p60
I guess it partly depends on the game.
144 master race
Anything(above 1080p) that goes beyond 60hz is welcomed.
The results are very interesting but whilst watching this video i came to a realization "The editing is gorgeous and very well done, how does he not have more subs!" Seriously man these video's are done very well! good job!
Thanks for watching!
Bonker Clonker i so agree
How the fuck do you only have 31k subsribers with such high quality content?
Holy shit.
Thanks for the kind words!
JERMgaming I am extremely glad TH-cam put you in my recommended, your content is top notch. The transitions between games are really well done and the music is well picked. I plan to get a 1060 6gb myself, and It's amazing how well it seems to run.
Very informative, keep up the great work
JERMgaming first of all i realy like the idea of the pc and i have a similar pc with 4g ram and an lower rank gpu . can you add test of rust or ARK to your tast at 1080?
Because he hasnt sold out.
This guy does a really good job with comparing and analyzing games, from this and Digital Foundry, it's the best source of seeing how games compare from PC to console, in fact, they should hire you with how well of a job you do.
***** You could be right, but what a team it would be, this guy, Richard and John from Digital Foundery, wouldn't need to look anywhere else for my comparisons.
Steven Rose I'm just grateful that the myth about the PC being expensive is being broken, too much misinformation goes around from console gamers about the PC which a lot of which is outdated information and as we know, building a PC to play compete with the consoles is doable for similar price or just a bit more and the the running cost are much less so overall the PC works out cheaper depending how you use it.
the main thing is PS4 pro unfortunately will not support all games and most will run like a regular PS4 game. this GPU will improve performance on EVERY game.
YourPalHDee every game that is coming out from now on will have a pro mode. What you are saying is about older games on ps4.
is that true? where did you read that? I haven't heard about that at all.
Sony announced it. Every new game coming out on ps4 have to have ps4 pro support. But in most cases its just simple upping the resolution to 1440-1800p and than either up scaling to 4k or downsampling to 1080p. Only few games so far have actual effort put in their pro patches. Last of us remaster and rise of the tomb raider are examples of good pro patches. Shame sony locked pro power and made it preform like standard ps4 if there are no patches its only sony decision if it didnt pro could easilly brute force more preformance than ps4 in unpatched games.
Edit: I'm wrong see below.
Original:
Arguably this is incorrect.
Every ps4 game will benefit, not in graphics quality, but in framerate. Not all games on the ps4 run without dropping frames. The pro may not get any extra graphical bells and whistles, but every game will be less likely to drop frames.
Note: for the games that didn't drop frames _at all_ the benefit will be in lower fan speeds or lower console temps. Not particuarly useful! Don't misunderstand me! But there are very few games that are actually locked at their target framerate to the point where they never ever drop frames.
You are right that the extra performance won't increase visual fidelity unless the games actually bother to release a patch. But smoothness is a factor of available processing power, and the pro has more, therefore it will be closer to the target framerate. (Which for Console is *typically* 30 frames per second)
If there is no patch for a ps4 game out before the ps4 pro, you will not see any benefit. Graphics, fps and any other changes.
But can it run Google Chrome??
I Fucked Tiffany Trump I'd say at 30 fps
my ps vita is better than this shit lol
I Fucked Tiffany Trump You should stick to internet explorer
InfiniteCrisisHD internet explorer is 31 FPS
My friend you have asked the wrong question. For true enlighten one must ask can if it run Safari 5
I'm going to be gone most of this week for Thanksgiving, but enjoy the Potato Masher Pro and I'll be back at it next week!
JERMgaming I just bought an rx480 for 170$ with a free civ 6 code. Basically payed 110$ for it when you take out the civ 6 cost. Have a good platform right now with a 6700k and 16gb of ddr4. Gonna upgrade in the future to a 1080. That 480 was more than worth it
Hey Jerm enjoy the time off but I was just looking for your opinion on something. I was thinking of upgrading to a 1440p monitor because my r9 390s doing quite well with that resolution i get about 75 fps on BF1. But I'd lose my 144hz capabilities and free sync. Do you think it'd be worth it?. I look forward to more Pm Pro vids keep up the good work.
Maiky shhh.... some people don't know that they are yet...
meehhhe Of You Lol.
That's an awesome deal, great job!
I still demand royalties on the Potato Masher name! Adding "Pro" to the end won't save you from my hordes of lawyers!
EvilViking13 I second this
I watch ur all time time Dave in casualshenanigans podcasts and techtalk u do , keep up the good work man, u guys got great hemistry there ;)
Want to know why pc always wins. You dont need a subscription to go online
hows the antivirus subscription working out for you tho...lol
Gino hold on, avira antivirus has a free version. I used it for 3 years on laptop. Never failed me and even did it's job. I remember playing Command and conquer renegade and a pop up said a hacker intrusion attempt detected and killed the game and saved me.
@@eugenebarragan176 NICE BUUUURN!! Except you can get anti-virus protection for free. Anti-virus came with my current PC. Had it for over 3-4 years now. Not a single virus. Nice try though.
How's paying to go online on consoles? Can't feel beneficial when you know it's free and far more superior on the PC platform.
@@eugenebarragan176 or for people on windows 10 which is probably 90% of people, it has built in antivirus which works great actually not to mention you're only gonna get a virus if you go to weird websites and download unsafe stuff I personally have never gotten a virus from normal use
I'd rather spend 5$ a month than 5000 on the console itself
i'm here before this goes viral again! under 300 views atm :)
MrPanggs me too
MrPanggs It's happening. Popped into my recommended list just now, never heard of this youtuber before.
Same, this is going to blow up. 10,709 views now, hopefully this will be at 100,000 in a week or so
this youtuber is great
180k now
I think you done well choosing 6GB version of GTX 1060, the games are becoming hungry for VRAM!
2 gb of ram isnt a lot...
The other model only has 3GB which is definitely not enough for ultra settings in most recently released titles.
Yeah. The 3GB version is a sham. That's really only good for 1080p, and just barely. I think GTA V used more than that at 1080p, without maxing out the settings. I have 8GB of vRAM, and I think that that will be the standard in 2017, as 2GB was in 2012 and 2013. I'll upgrade soon enough. 4K is very motivating. :P
It's not meant to be. That's why it's about $50 cheaper
1440p at 144hz is prob gonna be good for me for a while i dont see 4k being easily ran until next year.
I mean, many people are going to stick with 1080p for a long time. With lower resolutions than 4K, higher resolutions have almost always meant more real-estate, because it was all at 100% scaling. Now, with 4K, though, I have 125% scaling on a 28" monitor, and everything is very small. My vision is quite good for nearby objects, but I have to sit properly (enough) at my desk to see everything alright.
This scaling means that having higher resolutions will be less important, as it will only increase the graphical fidelity of icons, sprites, and assets in general. It won't be too much to fit on a 1080p screen. I mean, we can only see so much detail.
I would definitely not recommend upgrading from 1440p, especially an expensive 1440p monitor, now, or for quite a while. 4K is still quite new and unnecessary, though very cool. There will be 5K, 6K, and 8K monitors, or at least TVs, when it comes to that last one. They won't be very useful, though. You might as well just get a 4K monitor, so long as this type of display is what's used. Stick to 1440p until your monitor breaks, or something like that. If you've invested much in sub-4K, you need to savour your investment. 4K will be as cheap as 1080p has been for years now, in only a few years. Somewhere around the beginning of the new decade. These panels will be much better than even more expensive panels that are sold now, too. 1440p looks great. At least, if you haven't seen 4K. ;P
The 1440p/144Hz combo is pretty much the best for gaming in my opinion, esp. for FPS', racing games, flight sims, anything competitive. Even 1080p/144Hz is good, but has to be at least 120Hz for me. I can't game on a lesser refresh rate anymore, hurts my eyes and gives me headaches.
SoadAddict91 Well, given that you now games on a 144Hz monitor, how much do you actually game on a 60Hz one, honestly? I don't think that headache thing is based in reality. We can see a difference between 60FPS and 144, but 144Hz is way past the line of diminishing returns for the eyes. Really, 60Hz is plenty. Below that isn't very good, but I'd never want to use a 1440p monitor. That's so low-res now. 4K 60Hz>1440p 144Hz.
TheBcoolGuy Everybody sees things differently and I have seen examples of people easily differentiating 120Hz or higher from 60Hz. 4k is awesome when it comes to graphical fidelity in terms of resolution, but I'll wait until an affordable 4k/144Hz option becomes available.
@@TheBcoolGuy Even in 2020 😁 I bought 1440p screen year ago, and I have good one 144Hz IPS... And not going to change for few years... Now with my RTX 2070 Super it works perfect! 1060 6gb was a bit weak...
why did the console player cross the road ???
to render more buildings😅
Ali0The0King it's actually to render the used PC store
I can't even watch TH-cam at 144p without freezing. My internet is so bad. It's been 2 hours but finally I finished the video. Keep up the good work! ;)
i see dedication and u remind me of my old self with a nokia and 2g internet
Thank you! I'm glad I didn't have to upload the video on your internet ;-)
haha do bf1 plsss
I'm probably going to sell my PS3 and PS4 to build a PC. I already have my pc parts picked out depending on how much money I'll have, but in the end I'll be able to push out high to ultra setting on it :D plus I got some money saved up.
Kiro RotMG what's ur budget?
slimduck 10 cents
Road to the 10 cent 4K build
slimduck 500$ but I already have everything pickled out, I'm going to order the parts after Christmas
I actually have a really good $500 build. i5-6400, GTX 1050 Ti, 16GB RAM. Best for $500 imo.
pcpartpicker.com/list/thGLFd
The biggest disappointment I have with the PS4 Pro (and it seems a lot of others do too) is that it really isn't a 60 fps machine outside of a select few cases. I know Sony was kind of handcuffed with their CPU choice (I assume it's the same as the base PS4 for compatibility reasons), and 1440p-4k at 30 fps isn't a bad way to go for budget hardware like a console. Still, 60 fps or higher is the defining factor for a premium gaming experience in my opinion, and very few people currently have the displays necessary to take advantage of 4k & HDR; the latter is also plagued by horrible input lag in all but the most expensive displays. This sort of thing will get better over time, but the PC wins on this reason alone in my book.
Expecting 4k 60 from console is just unreasonable
TheTurtleOffDoom I was more hinting at 1080p60. If they could've pulled that off, it would have been way more beneficial of an upgrade.
Yup man u are on the money here.
Jaguar notebook cpu used in ps4pro has many advantages, its small, cheap to
produce, very power efficient(around 10TDP compared to 95 TDP of high end intel
i5/i7 cpu's) easy to keep cool and silent, it just has one major flaw- its
extremly fucking slow ¯\(ツ)/¯
DrearierSpider1 1080p 60 probably was not possible due to the crappy cpu. At witcher 3 it would have probably choked the performance to 50s or some other cpu hard games
TheTurtleOffDoom That's exactly what I said in my original post.
Potato Masher Pro has my GPU (not G1 Gaming tho). I'm so gonna love this series!!
It's a great GPU!
JERMgaming dude, that CPU is defiantly holding you back. I suggest getting the i7-9xx for the LGA1156 board used in that built.
I've finished Doom this weekend but didn't know it supported RTSS overlay so I didn't know how much of the GPU it was using. I'm amazed by how low the usage was across the campaign.
***** The i7-9xx supports LGA 1366 not 1156, please correct me if I'm wrong. I have an i7-870 on my 1156 board and I think it's as far as it goes. Also the purpose of the series is to keep the money spent on the masher as close as possible to what's spent on the PS4(Pro)...
Michel Victor you maybe right, I'm not entirely familiar with older intel platforms. But my point was more about getting the highest end CPU for the socket that could be reasonably achieved... Open world games as been stated, do tax the hell out of CPUs, even moderns ones. Also his choice of GPUs, I'm personally has had bad luck with Gigabyte Gaming G1 graphics cards. Nothing against GTX1060 its self other then it being just another Nvidia card and I would liked to see a change... I recently built a $450 console masher for a friend, using an old Dell with a old haswell i7-4770T (low power), 8GB 1600Mhz low profile Samsung DDR3, and a reference design RX480 8GB I snagged used at a local PC repair shot for $190. The Dell included everything needed: 300watt supply, 500GB HDD, 8GB Ram, i7-4770T, windows 10 version 1607, and sleek industrial case for $175 eBay.. Add in used $190 RX480 8GB reference from MSI.. total comes to $365... needless to say my friend is very happy. And it mashed the potato masher pro if his numbers are correct. Even if I got the GPU new $250, adding shipping for the Dell off eBay ($200 total for the dell) comes to around $450, all in. If your budget was $500, that is a PC, and a brand new games or several slightly older games...
But I have seen amazing deals on eBay used market for GPUs and CPUs. I spotted a R9-390 for $150, I seen a Fury for $200. For CPUs i seen things from Xeons and I-series CPUs used selling for dirt cheap, sometimes cheaper with a used system like in the case of my friends Dell I got him $175 for him not just a high end hard to find CPU, but also included essentially an entire system.. which ini used a shitty evga GT710 for video out..that I am curious if I can use it for anything maybe video encoding/capture with OBS or something...
This was one of the most comprehensive videos regarding video card performance I have ever seen. Please continue making these
Will-do!
The way you explain everything screams quality dude! greatjob!
Thanks for watching!
It's time boys and girls.
Simpleton for what?
-FOR SEX!
>praises pc for it's controls >plays doom with controller
Voidition But PC is about doing what you want
yes its PC is about freedom of couse, and he made use of it. So whats your point then?
Voidition how else would you play doom
The "P" in PC stands for personal.
He does it because fast movements with mouse would make it look yanky on video. Using a controller makes it look smoother for TH-cam.
Thanksssssss man, really love these specs :)
I was going to spend 600€ because for i5 6400 and 1060 3gb.
Should go with an i5 6500 because it is more bang for buck.
I also dont really like 1060 3gb id rather go 4gb 480.
go for a 6 gb model
Oltási Bennó 6gb model is to much of a price bump imo
even ur i5 6400 and 3gb 1060 is vastly superion to ps4pro man, u will enjoy it.
Good Cpu and Gpu choice but better go for the 1060 6gb model or a Rx480 with 4 or 8gb
The 1060 with 3gb has less cuda cores and in some games you will be limitated by the memory
I've been waiting for the 4K MASTER BLASTER!!!
Can you remake this with parts still sold in 2019
Sweet, I was hoping for a late 2016 update and wondering if it could match the iterative consoles.
The impressive thing about the original was the long term tests, people thought optimizing for consoles would make the old potato masher fall away, but it held up almost exactly to them through its entire run. Hope he keeps posting updates with both.
Yeah it was nice to see being put an end to the "You need to upgrade your PC every year to keep up" argument.
Isn't that old i5 bottlenecking the 1060 in many slightly more cpu intensive titles?
Likely so, but we'll see!
JERMgaming
nice video though :D
The most professional, non-biased, and creative content I've ever seen on this website
why the pc destroys the ps4:
on a pc you can do not only gaming but also a lot of other stuff like text editing, cutting videos, webbrowsing etc.
M4D AL3X yeah, people need pcs for actual work
PC's can be used to design consoles. Not the other way around, haha.
SoadAddict91 consoles are well idk
SuperFan97
Wow, you are so smart
Pcs beat consoles without that. Price alone kicks there ass. I bought 6 games on sale steam for $12.
On console that would cost $360. Console starting price is good but you really get screwed over time.
You almost sold me on that GTX 1060 6gb card man lol. Trying real hard to wait until next year to upgrade.
Minmataro718 depends what you are looking for. If you want 4K gaming at ultra settings you'll need a gtx 1080 but if you want to game at high settings get a gtx 1070. In my opinion I wouldn't get a 1060 but if you really cannot spare that extra money for a gtx 1070 then go ahead but I'd recommend the 1070
Babar Rashid I think 4k native, ultra 60fps is a pipe dream until we see the 1100 series cards from Nvidia in a a year or so. I dont think AMDs Vega will be up to snuff either.
the 1060 is a pretty impressive card i have one with an i7 4770k and can get 60fps avg at 1440p in battlefield 1
A 1080 isn't nearly capable of ultra 4k 60 fps in demanding games. A titan xp is almost. But yeah if you want 4k wait til the 1180 comes out. That will push 4k at ultra 60 fps.
Air stuff17 Disable the AA. it isnt needed in 4k anyway. there Ultra with no AA = 60fps.
7:16 I personally was able to upgrade to the Pro at no additional cost. Which the reason was because the PS4 was a limited edition. So, I feel that's something consoles really have that PC doesn't. They pretty much all glow, so it's the norm. The console is just capable of having a collection aspect to it.
Nice. It appears there's not much CPU bottleneck on the Masher Pro, unlike the PS4 Pro.
Ed Turvey shot fired.
Great concept, i just think i5 750 is not the best performance per dollar... I would bet overclocked Xeon "e" or "x"5450 would be maybe even better, for just 15-20$ and 775 mobos are steal these days (=
Aleksandar Friscic People have realized their value now, and are scalping.
Mad Jack Churchill
Oh, i cought last train :D But on ali express i think still have in stock
please tell me exactly what to buy as soon as possible!
Ismael Peña
Buy Intel xeon e or x5450 (try finding already modded one, so you dont have to mod it yourself or even worst, mobo)
And find Mobo with 775 socket and one of the following chipsets:
P35
G41
P45
650i
780i
*The best way is to find mobo first and then check the chipset, not the other way around...
Also, prepare for hair loss (a little bit) with microcodes and bios... You should check: linustechtips.com/main/topic/365998-mod-lga771-to-lga775-cpu-modification-tutorial/
And here is a suggestion for cpu:
www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-E5450-Processor-3-0GHz-12M-1333-close-to-LGA775-Core-2-Quad-Q9650/32616022770.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.20.upXaFj&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_9987_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_1&btsid=91a841ba-2ed2-481a-af55-b00e9bd595a9
Ismael Peña
I found E5460 (3,16ghz, compared to 3ghz of 5450), for the same amount
www.aliexpress.com/item/For-Intel-Xeon-X5460-Processor-3-16GHz-12M-1333-close-to-LGA775-Core-2-Quad-Q9650/32617220484.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.55.R4RtQi&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_9987_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_1&btsid=59dadca8-8c38-4153-bd20-1111c406eee9
The way you present your information is top notch. I get use to having TH-camrs dumb things down or ramble on about irrelevant details. Your editing and presentation is up there with Digital Foundry, and with this video I feel like it's even better. Keep up the good work, you've got yourself a sub.
Well it will age worse with that 1060, but even so it will Rek consoles (kinda like how 760 was 10% faster than 270X but is now up 10-15% slower... but STILL beats the console, even with inferior support).
:P
So I support. Alex approves. Time to see how the Masher beats the PS4 Pro...
Thanks for your approval :-)
AND IM HERE WTH A GT 610
LOL WITH PENTIUM G3220 3GH AND 8GB RAM
Ayyy Pentium squad!!
zZZ ZETA ZZz My grandparents own a better PC than your configuration.
Marcin Szostak lol mate
video says 500 $ budget pc and I say I will make a budget pc JUST GIVE ME 500$
Keandre Palmer what's your pc specs bruh
zZZ ZETA ZZz
Pentium G4400
Zotac Gtx 1060
16 GB of RAM
Everything else is kinda redundant to know lol
See, these are the kind of videos that deserve subs. High quality over high volume. Videos that are in depth and non-biased. You got a sub bro.
Thank you!
over here on OCUK they have an XFX R9 Fury for £230.
luckyshottzZZ that's nuts
I wish there was a 6GB or 8GB variant so badly...!
luckyshottzZZ DO NOT buy r9 furys
romanian scammer why?
This is way over $500. Safe to say he either got extremely lucky or just clickbait.
Did you read the specs.. it's nowhere near $500. A 1st Gen i5 platform is dirt cheap.
druuzil I did the math, most of the parts are even used and are still over $500 by a great amount.
Doge can illuminati noscope I'd like to see your math. A 1st Gen i5 is like $35. You can get cheap used parts on Craigslist or Ebay and easily build a system as good/better than the "Potato Masher" or the "Pro" for under $500. You could find a fully built system on CL for ~$200-300, then add the GTX 1060 or RX 480. Neither card uses much power so your PSU can be garbage and it'll still work. People are always selling their older systems for dirt cheap just to get rid of them, or so they can upgrade something else.
Doge can illuminati noscope Can get the same build for around 50,000 yen; LESS than $500
Mad Jack Churchill prove it.
this is one of the most comprehensive breakdowns on the subject I've seen in quite some time. Great job staying unbiased and presenting a fair comparison.
I've seen used and new r9 Furys going for around that budget. Would have been cool to see those in this
John Smith www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202186&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
230-260 on newegg and amazon
John Smith he had 260 to spend but found a card for 230. if you're that cheap that you say $30 more is too much, that's ridiculous. That's a great card for the money
John Smith Their driver support isn't shit anymore. The past year has had amazing driver support from AMD. Also, you are comparing a card that's made for 1080p gaming against a card that throws punches with the 980ti which can't run on a 430w psu either
John Smith You had no point. You started talking about how AMD drivers are shit and they consume too much power. The Fury is much better than the 1060 so of course it will consume more power. Again you had no point.
A Fury would be a disaster if you paired it with this particular build lol. If you had a higher capacity psu and a better cpu then maybe. Honestly for most people building/upgrading a budget system a 470/480/1060 would be the better buy, even if they're losing a little bit of performance.
+JERMgaming i spend about 350 bucks (36 + 135 + 133+15+some change) on my main rig , it features an I7 2600 , 8gb of 1600mhz DDR3 and a R9 290 4gb and has a SSD to boot of , im pretty shure that thing can smash the PS4Pro , what do you think?
holy faack and here iam with a 600$ fucking core i3 with a 950 and no ssd
Cannot smash the PS4 Pro but it's pretty similar. R9 290 is similar to a GTX 680-780
actually beats the 780 and 970
Rogerice1 similar as a 680-780? LOL! 290 / 290x = gtx 970 and so GTX 1060 is a little better.
CasualGamer117 Da hell ya sayin? R9 390X is on a level with GTX 970, how a 290 would be even close? Go see some benchmarks
This is a really good video dude... Actual side by side comparisons and meaningful information.
This is an excellent video, well done! Any luck with Avermedia and the 4K capture card?
No, unfortunately. Never heard back.
JERMgaming Oh that sucks, by the way do you have any plans to switch to Adobe Premiere Pro as an editing software?
I use Premiere for all my regular work, but for TH-cam Vegas is faster (except when it comes to rendering). Simple transitions and other effects are much quicker in Vegas, and I use a lot of them. I'm sure I could switch to Premiere, but so far I haven't felt the need.
I don't love the results I get with Vegas, no argument there. The MainConcept codec is the only one that can balance respectable render times with a high enough bitrate for good 1440p or 4K uploads (in Vegas). I haven't messed with HEVC/h265 yet, to be fair.
I'm always down to learn something new, and I've been experimenting with YT's compression for a few years. Send me an email if you don't mind, so I can flag it. If it's comments, I might lose it in the crowd. At your convenience, of course!
JERMgaming Sending an email your way now buddy :)
How the fuck you get a 1060 for $230, in the UK it's at least £250 ($311).
England is shit.
Jared Peretti uk has better cars for cheaper i think its fair
Jared Peretti a 1060 is £230 in the UK u tard....
Faynts you didnt read carefully what he put did you? Then you want to call people tards....
Dimension Jester But gasoline is 3x as expensive lol.
got same 1060 off jet.com for 197 with promo code
Very genuine and persuasive, I really hope the big companies like Sony can be like you!
Great to see another small channel such as mine catering to those who can't afford the latest and greatest. Great video and concept.
love you slash
KennaKenna Love you more
Well that escelated quickly.
just gotta add "just like mine" dont you?
5supermario aka CharaVEVO Yeah, it's very relatable, as well as inspiring, to see someone making content like this.
Potato Masher Pro just shit all over every future console upgrade in the current generation with that GPU upgarde, JERM :P So happy you went with that card for the PM PRO
I haven't seen the original Potato Masher video, but I'm glad to see you using the i5-750 and it getting good fps. I recently got a i5-650 and 1156 Asus P7P55D-E LX board from a friend, and was debating on whether or not the 750 was worth the upgrade. Thank you!
I got sad at 18:00 because you hit the dog
That's why I still use Win7. I loved XP, and current updated Win7 just feels like a reskinned XP with some bells and whistles. Screw Win10, I already have enough of my life and what I do recorded on a server somewhere, I don't an OS logging LITERALLY everything I do on it.
It's a mother Fucking dog in a video game...
Haha I found my old Atari in the attic last year. Too bad it was up there for about 30 years.
Running Witcher 3 in 4K with my two STRIX 980's in SLI is just so pleasing, the game is really one of the most gorgeous PC games I've ever played!
i like how you explain in many different ways that youre not against console
because idiots need more explaining than once
I call bullshit on the PS4 Pro having similar performance to the GTX 1060.
The 1060 is more powerful, but that only helps in games that let you take advantage of it.
JERMgaming
I meant that I can't and won't believe that the PS4 Pro has such a powerful GPU.
Ok....but we know what hardware is in it, regardless of whether or not you believe it.
JERMgaming
how can you be sure?
It is. Developers aren't using the GPU well in the PS4 Pro, since consoles games require other type of optimisation.
you're one of the only gaming channels whos voice I can handle. thanks
Thanks!
300 dollar i7 refurbished pc + 220 dollar 8 GB MSI RX 470 = 4k(at medium settings) under 550 dollars . In conclusion check amazon. If a turd could run 4k gaming id stick an hdmi cable into it and put in a card board box.
Really the 8GB MSI RX 470 could turn any system, with a 300 watt psu, an 8 thread cpu and, 8GB of fast ram, into a 4k rig. For potentially less than 800 dollars one could build a cross fire system with this gpu and rock 4k!!! 500 watt
Better have damn good cooling though. Check the gpu out at newegg.com
The RX 470 is on about the same level as a 270x, at most. Perhaps a 280. Yes, you can play at 4K with that, but barely. My 390 feels weak at 4K. I can't imagine playing on the setup you suggested, even at 1080p.
I hope that's all you're using it for. 8gb is gonna be abysmal on virtual machine running Win10. But, if you ONLY use it for gaming, cool build.
Running a virtual machine isn't quite a mainstream necessity. That said, I've run plenty of VMs on 4 and 8GB systems, so yeah you could.
I have 32GB in my desktop, but 8GB in my laptop. I use both for work, and they both work fine. 8 is still plenty for most people!
True enough, then again, you generally want to ooze out as much functionality as you possibly can. You can, but you'll have to deal with the cursor flickering. I use my win10 laptop with 8gb running Fedora inside a VM (which has a 1gb minimum). I run at 4gb. And, it's still pretty slow. Could be a product of VBox, but I kinda doubt it. I think it's more based around Win10 being a resource hog on older hardware. I use my desktop machine for virtual images, 16gb, with 8gb+ assigned to the Vbox and it runs ten times smoother. The real issue is when it comes to upgrading your OS which takes absolutely forever on an under-powered machine. I didn't say you couldn't use it. I just said, you probably wouldn't want to. Since, it will take an hour to run a sys upgrade. Which, imo, that's abysmal. What image do you run? Also, I would take a little bit of an exception to the statement that most people just need 8gb. Tons of people are running 100 tabs in their Chrome. Along with 15 extensions. And, they never even reboot. So, I think for practical use, most people want 16gb so they aren't causing stalls because of improper use when multi-tasking. I used to repair cellphones. Some people would bring it complaining it ran slow. That was because they had 14 applications open at once. So, I disagree there. 8gb assumes that you're actually maintaining your machine. And, for a lot of people, most, that's not the case. Like I said, it seems like a good build for gaming. And, that's what the video is about, so well done. But, not so sure about some other things. Just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who would otherwise want that functionality.
Most consumer PCs I see being sold (not high-end stuff, "regular PCs") still have 4-8GB. I don't disagree that 16GB would be nice, but most people seem to still be happy with 8GB or less. There are still millions of office PCs running 4GB, and they're totally fine. Most people are nowhere near power users. Heck, I was still editing video and doing design work with the Adobe suite on a 4GB laptop when I traveled as recently as early this year, and it was slow but still usable. I'm running W10 Pro, to answer your question.
I'm not sure I agree with you about OS upgrade time being affected that much. I've done plenty of W7 installs on old 1-2GB machines for clients, and HDD speed appears to be the most consistent bottleneck. I also don't see high RAM usage during OS updates, so while I'm not outright disagreeing with you, I haven't noticed what you're referring to.
You're right about the bottleneck. That said, I upgraded to Fedora 25 using my laptop's virtual machine, and watched the ram spike to what I dedicated for that machine. I was curious about that claim, and I saw a few computers being sold with 4gb. But, very few. And, I'm pretty sure those are all running Win8. I actually meant your virtual image, but you answered my question. I'm really surprised you haven't considered using more linux distros with those machines with such low memory lol. Either way, take it easy. It's obvious we're not gonna agree. But, take care.
I can't use Linux distros on them, they were all for regular office
workers for nonprofits, or for family members. I have to do enough
training on simple stuff like creating zips and storing all important
data on network drives, I don't think learning an entirely new OS with
the downsides of Linux (for the average consumer) would be a good idea
:-)
For my VM, I used Linux a few times, but it was mostly so I could test things in older Windows environments. Linux might need a lot more RAM, I'd defer to you on that.
I really respect your view on the whole console vs PC debate and I wish everyone had the same view. I play on PC but I never make a fuss if someone prefers playing on console. I've gamed on consoles for most of my life and enjoyed every second of it. I just simply prefer PC now.
OMG im on of the First People WHO See This Human Milestone!!!
So technically speaking, these specs wouldn't exactly cost $500 to get 4k... if anyone try to duplicate this build, hoping to get 4k. it would be over 750$. What the point of this video again? That you manage to savage parts from your old build with some additional parts that is less than $500 to reach 4k?
JERMgaming You're saying if a person wants a $500 PC that does 4k, they will have to put effort and time into it? The kind of effort and time that the majority don't have because they are busy with their live? Because yes I researched the parts and put them together and it was noticeably over $800.. However if you're talking about USED parts.. that's stupid. Might as well buy a USED PS4. Save those times for something more important.Sorry I just don't see the relevant of this video.
Well first of all, these parts aren't "savaged" from his old build, this is the same build, he just swaps in and out the GPU from the 760 in the original videos, to the 1060 in the Pro videos. Secondly, these parts were bought used in 2014, so of course if you bought them brand new and without the deals he got, then yes, it would cost $750. But we're talking about what he payed back then. Today, you could get a Dell Optiplex with an i5 2400 for around $190 AUD (much less in USD). Slot in 4GB of RAM, a new PSU and a GPU, you could have a PC similar to this for around the same cash, but with better performance. But he's not here to do constant upgrades, this is just a build for experimenting.
InsaneEnergy The title said 4k for under $500, so in that sense, people/i was under the impression that a computer under $500 was built, capable of doing 4k. Also there's no point in buying a PC in Australia, the shipping cost to the US would already cover the reduced price. Not only that, buying a cheap product and then upgrading up to save $$ is like buying a third-party product for one tenth of the original price. It's going to be garbage, unless you are doing an upgrade like this dude.
Boring Banana Chicken Wing
Well yes, it is $500 all up. It was $350 for the original build, and if we assume he sold the 760 and got a good deal on a 1060, that's fair.
Uh, yes there is a point of buying a PC in Australia. It's called: Not being restricted to playing on a console. And I'll take that over a PS4 or Xbox any day of the week. And you're overestimating the shipping here. Like I said, if I got a Dell Optiplex with an i5, put in 4GB of extra RAM, a new PSU (doesn't even have to be high-quality) and a new GPU (probably 1050 ti to compete with the OG masher) it would be cheap as hell. These are all EXPERIMENTS. If you want to buy brand new hardware, you can do that. You want to buy used hardware? You can do that.
InsaneEnergy The original build was $350?! Preposterous. Does that include the 760? I don't think so. The price of products doesn't increase over time. Even if the products were used. The price I added together were both from new and used parts, currently, both were over $700 before adding in the 1060. Unless he by some miracle found someone who was selling it and made some pretty bloody good deals, refer to my first comment to JERMgaming.
You’d need to get used parts to build it for under 500. I already entered in the memory, cpu, and GPU in pcpartpicker. I replaced the i5 750 with the i5 3470. The price is already $516.
#PCMASTERRACE WINS AGAIN
All those fanboys Crying...
Because you can do so much more with a PC.
Like he said the video's point isn't to tell you which is superior. There are many reasons to buy a console or a PC. This video and the other is to point out what you can do for the same money.
I just found your channel through this video ,and I must say I am really happy I did . your video really shows how much work you put in it . and this is my first time I watch a long pc-hardware video ,and I enjoyed every pits of it . keep up the good work budd :D
if u lower the settings enough, my raspberry pi can play at 4k.
In which games?
its a joke lol, but really if u play at low it is easier to play at 4k60 with weaker gpus.
What how. I just spent £2000 on a 4K rig lol.
I have a ridiculously overkill system but watched this video anyway. It was calming, and very well made.
This build costs around 800 Dollars in the UAE. PS4 Pro is around 399. PC Gaming won't surpass consoles until the prices are the same worldwide
+Aj Daniel PC is by far the largest platform in the world, and makes more money than console gaming.
JERMgaming thats because people use pc for other purposes. Console Community is much bigger when it comes to big Triple A titles like COD, FIFA and even Battlefield. Consoles are the preferred platform for gaming. There is a reason why most big devs don't care about PCs. PCs never make that much game sales compared to consoles. Look at gta community on consoles vs pc. Its like a day and night difference
Aj Daniel
can't use gta cause the game was sold on 4 different platforms before coming to pc, so alot of pc players did not buy it. and money made with game sales are higher on pc.(total amount)
Aj Daniel
and no they do care gta5 still sold 6 mil copies on pc so there is still alot of money to be made for devs. they don't care how big the difference is, they just care about extra income.
Aj Daniel pcs have already surpassed consoles anyway.
In the Witcher 3, Novigrad is LEAST demanding location in terms of graphics, however it can be argued that the area is CPU intense. I typically see about 70-75 fps, dipping as low as 60 fps while in Novigrad. But in places like Skellige, where you have more foliage, I argue that this is more intensive. I typically see 60-65 fps here with lows in the mid 40's. But to truly test the limits of a rig with Witcher 3, you gotta do it in the Fairy Tale Land at the end of Blood and Wine. I see a 45-50 fps AVERAGE in this area.
The reason he called it a demanding area IMO is that he has an i5 750, which could easily bottleneck.
IMO?
Solaire of Astora
In my opinion.
JERMgaming is overclocking the cpu, but does it really matter? Do the performances really change if he used a non-overclocked i5 750?
Yes, it does. My i5-4690k running at 4.6Ghz is still more powerful than a stock clocked i5-7600k, despite being 3 years older and having to use DDR3 RAM and not DDR4.
Gotta love the 1080 Ti. There's nothing better than no compromises gaming.
Hey JERMgaming, since you still have $33 left after subtracting the GPU cost, do you think you might upgrade the CPU and RAM? You could probably get $40 if you sold your i5 750 based on what they are currently going for on ebay, putting you at $73 total. With that much money, you could upgrade your cpu to an X3470 Quad Core Hyper-Threaded Processor at 2.93Ghz($50), which I am sure you could overclock further, and you could add an extra 4GB of RAM, or perhaps a cooler upgrade if you are confident that 8GB will be enough for a while, which I think it will.
CPU:
www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-X3470-SLBJH-2-93GHZ-8MB-2-5GT-S-CPU-Processor-/182362873195?
RAM:
pcpartpicker.com/product/2fw323/kingston-memory-kvr13n9s84
Cooler:
pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2
Whether you prefer console or not, I don't understand why anyone would be exclusive to one medium. Why would you limit the variety of games you can play because you have a bug up your ass about frame rates? I game on PC and have a PS4. Which I think every PC gamer should do, have at least one console.
Any third party title, DOOM, Battlefield, GTA, COD, etc...of course I have on PC because I want the best experience possible when playing games. But I have a PS4 because I like SONY'S first party titles. Because I don't know if you're aware of this but God of War, Uncharted, and The Last of Us aren't on PC and never will be. And I enjoy those games. Plus, Horizon and the new Spider-Man game look freaking awesome. Neither of which will be on PC by the way either. Playing games at 30fps isn't the end of the freakin' world.
I'm also a huge Gears of War fan and was planning on getting an XBOX to play it. But when MS started PLAY ANYWHERE, I no longer needed to waste $400 on another console. And unless you're still playing 360 games, I don't see why you would. In fact, if I plan on buying another console in the future it'll be the Nintendo Switch.
Yep, I own a gaming PC and Wii U. I didn't go for a PS4 yet since there weren't many exclusives that actually interest me.
I might pick up a PS Pro at some point though seeing as the exclusive library is growing stronger and stronger now.
XB1 is out of the question now that we'll get all games on W10.
Gamers like us get the best of both worlds :)
JUYAN16 I think the Nintendo Switch will be awesome. I probably won't buy it for another year though, since I'm saving to build a pc
Hoploo
Uh...okay?
Mastodon
But Sony and Microsoft have been money greedy in recent years, the ps4 will probably be the last PlayStation console I buy
The Boss Stage1 pc masterrace?
Good job going with the 1060. I'm hoping to go for the same specs and a better intel processor.
Fogofpeace same
I agree PC gaming is better but I just like consoles
That's fine :-)
Calling this PC build a "4K $500" build is a bit misleading. It seems to be running only older titles at 4k at abysmally low settings at sub 30 fps. It's as much of a native 4k machine as the Pro is (which can do native 4k) on less GPU intensive titles, sure - but it too shouldn't be considered a 4k gaming device for modern AAA GPU intensive titles. But telling somebody you can build a native 4k gaming machine for 500 dollars is EXTREMELY MISLEADING and it's only going to make things frustrating for them. For example, according to Digital Foundry, not even a Titan X Pascal can do Dishonered 2 at 4k with a stable framerate. Let alone a 1060. But I guess, youtube click bait picture/title and everything.
LHK Kang
he said this is not a 4k machine just like the pro isn't. and dishonored is badly optimized on pc, a titan x will easily do 4k on dishonored. click bait sure, but that is what they advertised the pro for.
The Pro can't do 4k either. There's only a select few games (indie games and sports games) that can do it. Can the PS4 Pro do GTA V at 4k 60FPS? Didn't think so. Can this? Absolutely.
Also, Digitalfoundry is right, a Titan X Pascal can't do Dishonored 2 at 4k at a stable frame rate. That's a problem with the game, not the GPU. The game is poorly optimized on PC.
Is Medium abysmally low? That's what GTA V and The Witcher 3 ran at, and they're both from 2015. DOOM was on the highest settings with a little res scaling.... and when was it sub-30fps? Got a timecode for me, or are you just complaining?
JERMgaming Yeah, some of those are older legacy titles. GTA is a last gen game for example. For example the Pro is running several last gen titles like The Last of Us, Darksiders at native 4k 60 fps. This PC build isn't a 4k worthy build. Try running Dishonored 2 (recent AAA released game) with this build at 4k at medium or higher settings at 30 fps or better. Also, yes it's nice that it does Doom at 4k....with resolution scaling...which means it's not native 4k dude. Nobody serious about PC gaming considers this a legit Native 4k machine. It can do some titles at 4k, just as the pro is doing some titles at native 4k. Neither are native 4k reliable. Let me ask you an honest question. Outside cherry picking certain titles, do you feel confident that this PC build can run most of any modern released AAA game here on out at native 4k at graphical settings and frame rates you approve of? Probably not right? So okay, this isn't a 4k PC build. And my point stands, video and title are misleading.
LHK Kang Dishonoured 2 is hard to run on any PC, and that's not an inherent issue with the PC, it's a problem with the game. Doom can do native 4k, but for the smoothest experience it's best to pick resolution scaling. The Pro doesn't deliver native 4k either, usually 1800p with checkerboarding.
Fuck off, console shill.
While re-watching this video, I've come to realize that with the 33$ extra you had left after buying the GPU, you could have pitched in for a better CPU cooler and also have higher CPU speeds, just like the PS4 Pro, which would've made it even closer in terms of upgrades. Just a thought though.
puts 4k in the title "not actually 4k"
So The Witcher 3 and GTA V weren't running at 4K? PS4 Pro can't do 4k either.
Sam Gates
Well, if you're paying $500 for a PC, you're probably not spending several hundred dollars on a 4K TV.
InsaneEnergy Technically it can run The Last of Us remastered and Skyrim Special Edition in native 4k.
Diabolical
There aren't that many native 4k games the Pro can do. Most of them are checkerboarding from 1800p.
InsaneEnergy Yeah but to say it can't do 4k is technically incorrect.
Used parts = complete bullshit.
You couldn't further from the truth IMO. I picked up a used q9650 for $30 and used 775 motherboard for $30 and added a 1050 ti and it tears up all new games. The vendors have warranties for the used parts, google even has a protection plan to add to the ebay parts. That cpu runs super cool and is begging for an overclock. Care to dive deeper why you think used parts = complete bullshit?
used parts are amazing for anyone that doesn't want the latest and greatest.
Like yeah, RX 480 is a great value, but below RX 470 is not, instead you'll want a used 7970. Also a used fury x is a good alternative to 1070 and will likely age like a 1080.
And as stated before newer cpu tech isn't worth it.
Idiot Stick Why I think it's complete bullshit? I wasn't referring to the parts themselves, but its very obviously deceptive to use the price in the title as the main attraction of the video.
Used part prices are never the same between two regions. I myself have religiously used used parts before and they have worked perfectly with no complaints from this side, sure, its a gamble, but the chances of it being a scam is rare.
+Idiot Stick I totally stand behind what you just said right there. I currently have a system with 4 Xeon W3530 cpus (a total of 16 cores, 32 threads), 24gb of ddr3 ram, a zotac gtx 1070 and it runs games no problem. The Xeon W3530 literally goes for $5 on ebay right now, and a quad socket board is usually about $60-120 depending on availability at the time. I stent no more than $650-700 getting that system up and running.
Okay, I see what your saying. But the best source for used parts is ebay and that's ubiquitously priced.
Good information, excellent pacing and extremely well edited. Well done sir, well done!
why would somebody spent 500$ to play on a 300$ monitor or probably on a more expensive tv... lol. the build itself is okay xD
You can use a tv for a pc. You'd have to add the same price to a console.
I would ask you why would someone purchase a device (console in this case) to play games on their 1080p or 4K TV when the device can't even output that high?
Pointless and stupid argument, you don't buy a PC to play on a monitor.... You buy a PC to play games, on whatever display technology is appropriate for you.
the gtx 1060 is in some titles already struggling with its badly measured 6gb vram (at least that goes for 4k). its just a pure 1080/1440p gaming card, it might be capable of playing in 4k for some time, but in the future it will be useless, since 6gb vram are just way too small. and to your question: normal/casual people just simply don't care, and i think when you're making a video of this kind that you are mostly targeting people that are knowing what they are about to do ;) like i said, the build itself is okay, or a funny project. but it doesn't make sense at all to only spend 500$ for a rig to play on 4k.
kronicz1337 that is true but the 1060 is the most fitting card at that price range for 4k
rx 480 would have been the better choice with 8gigs of vram, and also cheaper than the gigabyte gtx 1060. at least in germany, and probably because of the vram and its dx12 power more future proof :P
I was going to buy the Pro, but my old GPU on my PC broke down on me (560ti, ancient.. I know). So instead of going for the Pro, I just ordered a 1070, to go with my old i5 2500k. Now I'm running all the newest games on Ultra with a steady 60-100fps at 1080p.
When the potato masher was new and even now a really good alternative is to get a used Dell Precision T3500 and a GPU. Now that even more systems are going off lease you can get the 4 core nehalem Xeon version, 4-12gb of ram, a 500gb-2tb hard drive, and a 500w psu for $90-$170 on ebay. If you get a lower power GPU or one that only needs 6 pci you can use the stock PSU right from the get go.
If you got a 960 used for ~$140 and the precision for ~$190 (with shipping) you end up with a reasonably powerful gaming computer for only $340 with Windows included in the form of the COA sticker, you just have to make Windows 7 install media which is crazy easy to do. The Precision uses a standard ATX psu so if you want to upgrade that you can quite easily and if you need a better processor (streaming, heavy video editing, something like that) you can get a six core Xeon X5670 for ~$100 on amazon which puts you in punching range of an i7 4770 or the FX 8350.
Dude very well made video, and I like how you actually explained as many different gaming scenarios as possible within a reasonable time. Really put a lot of perspective as to the different target audiences of each machine.
And this is what convinced me to get a GTX 1060 6gb. My build is essentially this but with an i7 870 another 8 gigs of ram and a (gifted) watercooler.
Im running a very similar build to yours in what I call the "old rig" . Stuffed a 390x I got a deal on in it and 16 gigs of ram and it just kills 1080p . That ole i5-750 has served me well for a long time.
i know this has nothing to do with the video, well kind of, but i got an alienware m17x R4 for £15 and honestly the capabilities of a laptop is still comparable to consoles and even older titles can be brought back to life
so amazed how you can actually get native 4k with this build specially with that cpu
This channel has the perfect balance of professional production and a humble, more relatable thinking orientation. It's like digital foundry, but with character and personality. Charisma perhaps...
I appreciate the kind words, I'm glad you enjoy my stuff!
idk why but the way he said patreon made me happy/relaxed
I'm rocking a i5-3330 with 16gb of ram and a 1060 3gb Gaming X, but I'll be upgrading my cpu to a i3-7350k very soon
Man I rate you so high for this video. Your honesty an fairness is just respectable.
Infinite Warfare runs between 1620p and 2160p on Ps4 Pro mate, just correcting, love your videos.
Hey it's a PC enthusiast from 2018, you'd think the price for this build would drop after 4 years, but it's actually risen significantly. If you're looking to get a PC in the foreseeable future, don't build, buy prebuilt instead. There are tons of pre-built sales that are insane, just keep a keen eye on /r/buildapcsales on reddit.
92 thousand views in 3 days. Jerm, this video rocked!
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This is quite possibly the most intelligent video I've seen on the PC vs. console debate I've seen.