Well, this start with "my best friends are black" (my mum is anti-Nazi) , then strawman (she personally built the camps), finally to whataboutism (Sergei Eisenstein) in all of 5 mins. I'm sure it all sounded lot less lame in his head.
It is not true ,the times in the other documentary he references that she was walking off at different times was not because her arguments of the technicalities of the filming. In noted plural cases, she is vehemently defending herself over valid questions regarding her documented participation with the Nazis. It is clear her role was well orchestrated and now there exists a cadre of people wishing to rehabilitate her complicity.
She was cleared of everything she was accused of. Read her memoirs. Yes, she was fascinated by Hitler, and was staggeringly naive. But all she wanted to do was make films.
Riefenstahl was not a political person. And it should be remembered until late in WW2, the Germans were winning. With many in the west quite supportive of the Nazi crusade against bolshevism because they feared bolshevism.
Ernest Udet was serving the Nazi propaganda as a movie star as well. Goebbels was the last chancelor of the Third Reich and close to Leni Riefenstahl. There's no halfway because of the so-called artistic social status given by the camera 🎥or the University grade : Leni Riefenstahl, Heidegger and Von Karajan were NAZIS by TASTE and not by INTEREST. I don't see the point to REVISE the history, forgetting Thomas Mann, Chagall, Stefan Zweig or Charlie Chaplin to make room for those twisted killers in full awareness of their acts instead of re-establishing the main influence of these creators. Maybe because all of the european bourgeoisie 🇪🇺 collaborated or was agree with the Nazis regarding the 'Jews' and the communism. www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/at-the-press-reception-at-the-berlin-olympic-games-doctor-news-photo/104405688 Mr Lionel Ramsal🟥
'Triumph of the Will' had a massive budget shadow financed through the Reich Chancellory and officially by UFA studios. She utilised known feature film techniques : moving cranes (fire ladders), dollies and aerial shots from airships and aircraft. She employed the best feature film DoP's, gaffers and grips The music was composed by Herbert Windt - the John Williams of his time. . Her genius was to bring all that together in a project commissioned by Hitler with the assistance of all divisions of the NSDAP which supplied the hundreds of thousands of extras for free.
I think she was firs an artist obsessed with her work. if she was not a genial filmer, she wouldn’t have been in trouble so much. We will never know all she did or did not. She should have gone tot the States and be a hero there. She refused to film as a war correspondent and I read that her films Olympia and Triumph of the Will received prices due to outstanding achievement in Europe on film festivals before the war. Then they were apparently good films. If she was a rocket scientist she would have been pampered by the Americans. What is not mentioned is the her special way of filming reflects what she learned from Rudolf Laban, great dancer and choreographer and the author of a language system to describe movement. I was educated by a pupil of Laban and Leni Riefenstahl was also a pupil of Rudolf of Laban, when she had her career as ballerina (she had to abort this career due to knee problems). In the first 5 minutes of Olympia I already recognized the work of Laban. Hist views on esthetics and movement in space…Sometimes I wonder what great film achievements we would have had if she was pardoned or rehabilitated in some way…
It’s hilarious how much effort people go through to avoid saying anything good about the Nazis. He says they were unoriginal and not creative but they also said they were creative. Their technology was so far ahead of everybody. Look at their photographic and rocket programs for starters
there’s no humor in the Nazis tainting human history. It shouldn’t be hard to understand how anything remotely good they did is stained by their latter actions.
It's fascinating to hear a film historian of Brownlow's stature speak in detail about Riefenstahl as a filmmaker - and a Hitler "enthusiast." I am amazed by her work and find "Triumph of the Will" to be brilliant - until the "star" of her film, Hitler, shows up. Whatever else she accomplished, she made Hitler look good. For that, her reputation will always be under a very dark cloud. As cinema, the film is a genuine creative achievement. Politically, it's totally repulsive. I've met a few Germans who have told me how proud they felt about how he turned the country around. "He was our Roosevelt." Eventually, they came to feel nothing but shame for their earlier enthusiasm. Riefenstahl never felt or expressed that shame. Thank you for uploading this.
@@ralphpezda6523 You missed TheStockwell's point. Other people were also naive and had a blindspot but they owned up to their mistake. She never did. To her the only mistake was that it made her later life more difficult.
The witty revelation Kevin Brownlow shares about Leni Riefenstahl's comment regarding the "shitty light" did not happen when she was being filmed in front of her house, but in fact when she was being filmed at Nuremberg in front of the famous Zeppelin Grandstand where she filmed Triumph of the Will (1935) [See, The Wonderful, Horrible Life of Leni Riefenstahl (1993) by Ray Müller, Clip: "This shitty light!" th-cam.com/video/Qbv_S0yPA6Y/w-d-xo.html for the actual clip that Brownlow mentions)
Well, this start with "my best friends are black" (my mum is anti-Nazi) , then strawman (she personally built the camps), finally to whataboutism (Sergei Eisenstein) in all of 5 mins. I'm sure it all sounded lot less lame in his head.
It is not true ,the times in the other documentary he references that she was walking off at different times was not because her arguments of the technicalities of the filming. In noted plural cases, she is vehemently defending herself over valid questions regarding her documented participation with the Nazis. It is clear her role was well orchestrated and now there exists a cadre of people wishing to rehabilitate her complicity.
She was cleared of everything she was accused of. Read her memoirs. Yes, she was fascinated by Hitler, and was staggeringly naive. But all she wanted to do was make films.
Riefenstahl was not a political person. And it should be remembered until late in WW2, the Germans were winning. With many in the west quite supportive of the Nazi crusade against bolshevism because they feared bolshevism.
Ernest Udet was serving the Nazi propaganda as a movie star as well. Goebbels was the last chancelor of the Third Reich and close to Leni Riefenstahl.
There's no halfway because of the so-called artistic social status given by the camera 🎥or the University grade : Leni Riefenstahl, Heidegger and Von Karajan were NAZIS by TASTE and not by INTEREST.
I don't see the point to REVISE the history, forgetting Thomas Mann, Chagall, Stefan Zweig or Charlie Chaplin to make room for those twisted killers in full awareness of their acts instead of re-establishing the main influence of these creators. Maybe because all of the european bourgeoisie 🇪🇺 collaborated or was agree with the Nazis regarding the 'Jews' and the communism.
www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/at-the-press-reception-at-the-berlin-olympic-games-doctor-news-photo/104405688
Mr Lionel Ramsal🟥
'Triumph of the Will' had a massive budget shadow financed through the Reich Chancellory and officially by UFA studios. She utilised known feature film techniques : moving cranes (fire ladders), dollies and aerial shots from airships and aircraft. She employed the best feature film DoP's, gaffers and grips The music was composed by Herbert Windt - the John Williams of his time.
. Her genius was to bring all that together in a project commissioned by Hitler with the assistance of all divisions of the NSDAP which supplied the hundreds of thousands of extras for free.
I think she was firs an artist obsessed with her work. if she was not a genial filmer, she wouldn’t have been in trouble so much. We will never know all she did or did not. She should have gone tot the States and be a hero there. She refused to film as a war correspondent and I read that her films Olympia and Triumph of the Will received prices due to outstanding achievement in Europe on film festivals before the war. Then they were apparently good films. If she was a rocket scientist she would have been pampered by the Americans. What is not mentioned is the her special way of filming reflects what she learned from Rudolf Laban, great dancer and choreographer and the author of a language system to describe movement. I was educated by a pupil of Laban and Leni Riefenstahl was also a pupil of Rudolf of Laban, when she had her career as ballerina (she had to abort this career due to knee problems). In the first 5 minutes of Olympia I already recognized the work of Laban. Hist views on esthetics and movement in space…Sometimes I wonder what great film achievements we would have had if she was pardoned or rehabilitated in some way…
It’s hilarious how much effort people go through to avoid saying anything good about the Nazis. He says they were unoriginal and not creative but they also said they were creative. Their technology was so far ahead of everybody. Look at their photographic and rocket programs for starters
there’s no humor in the Nazis tainting human history. It shouldn’t be hard to understand how anything remotely good they did is stained by their latter actions.
It's fascinating to hear a film historian of Brownlow's stature speak in detail about Riefenstahl as a filmmaker - and a Hitler "enthusiast." I am amazed by her work and find "Triumph of the Will" to be brilliant - until the "star" of her film, Hitler, shows up. Whatever else she accomplished, she made Hitler look good. For that, her reputation will always be under a very dark cloud. As cinema, the film is a genuine creative achievement. Politically, it's totally repulsive.
I've met a few Germans who have told me how proud they felt about how he turned the country around. "He was our Roosevelt." Eventually, they came to feel nothing but shame for their earlier enthusiasm. Riefenstahl never felt or expressed that shame.
Thank you for uploading this.
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Brownlow explained she was naive and had a blindspot when it came to Nazism.
@@ralphpezda6523 You missed TheStockwell's point. Other people were also naive and had a blindspot but they owned up to their mistake. She never did. To her the only mistake was that it made her later life more difficult.
It's always fascinating to see the beauty evil cloaks itself in.
Brownlow had realized his 1966 masterpiece "It Happened Here"
@@shanel7707 Leni was based. Cry more!
The witty revelation Kevin Brownlow shares about Leni Riefenstahl's comment regarding the "shitty light" did not happen when she was being filmed in front of her house, but in fact when she was being filmed at Nuremberg in front of the famous Zeppelin Grandstand where she filmed Triumph of the Will (1935) [See, The Wonderful, Horrible Life of Leni Riefenstahl (1993) by Ray Müller, Clip: "This shitty light!" th-cam.com/video/Qbv_S0yPA6Y/w-d-xo.html for the actual clip that Brownlow mentions)
Never forget Kevin Brownlow's 1966 masterpiece "It Happened Here"
She used extras from a concentration camp in one of her films. She might have been nice at the dinner table but she escaped justice.
That has been proven as false
@@kevinriddell2105not quite. The extras had been held in internment camps where she recruited them. Many ended up in Auschwitz, where they perished.
Hey, is there any chance I could know where this clip is from?
It's from To Tell the Truth: A History of Documentary Film.
I like the comment about Kevin Brownlow's mother liking LR 2:00
A lot of the creative input came from Riefenstahls cameraman Willy Zielke, whose tragic life story gets mentioned far too little.
I do not think she was that naive. She blamed her lack of success in Hollywood on ‘those Jews’.
Her German connections certainly didn’t help
Given that all the studio heads were Jews, and with her background, I'm sure she was correct.
I think she is a despicable person and I love that her career was destroyed.