A small disturbing detail if you choose to gun down Mordin. The gun Shepard uses is the same gun that Mordin gave you as a gift for helping him in his recruitment mission in Mass Effect 2. After Shepard shoots him, he leaves and tosses the gun aside.
He did it on my first playthrough as well though I let Mordin cure the genophage. I just couldn't shoot him but I let him go up and cure the phage. Shep still throws the pistol away and it hits harder in that regard because though he didn't shoot him he came very very close to betraying one of his most loyal friends
What I don't like about the whole genophage thing in ME3 is how they retconned it. Morden in ME2 clearly said that the genophage was designed to limit Krogan reproduction to the same level as the other species of the galaxy. What's wrong with that?
@@mikeroman5208 I don't see how that's a retcon. In fact Mordin himself had already done work updating the genophage by the time we recruit him. The whole issue with it in ME3 is that, with certain doom looming in the near future and high chance of stillborns, Krogans aren't really interested in breeding attempts. They go off-world to be mercenaries and bodyguards and most never return. That means the genophage is effectively killing off the Krogan and should be at least adjusted, but we get the solid argument that it could be lifted altogether.
@@ricksaburai I didn't think of that and I agree with you. However, this argument only serves to prove the Salarian Dalatrass right: the Krogan are unable or unwilling to change their warlike ways. Instead of working to rebuild their society and the planet that they themselves nuked into oblivion, they opted to spend the following one thousand years going off-world to become soldiers of fortune. Wrex can probably keep the Krogan on a short leash for a little while, but I don't see how that's possible in the long run with a population that will be growing at an exponentially accelerated rate.
To maximize war assets during the Tuchanka Arc you need to kill Wrex and Mordin but Save Maleon's data to save Eve. However, doing so results in the Krogan Extinction post-Reaper War.
Something that fascinated me in Mass Effect was how much certain characters change your view on an entire species. Like between Reeve and Wrex kind of sways the viability of curing the genophage. Also whoever willingly shot Mordin is a monster.
One of the things I did in my first playthrough was I went renegade all the way to pointing the Carnifex pistol at Mordin but as he was walking I couldn't do it...I couldn't pull the trigger....and Mordin just nods in approval as he goes up. I like the small detail even in my playthrough Shepard throws the pistol away even though I let him cure it because I wasn't sure. It's symbolic because even if you don't pull the trigger Shep still realizes he almost gunned down one of his most loyal friends and feels he doesn't deserve the pistol he gave you.
Shooting Mordin stopped my renegade play through in its tracks and I’ve never felt more guilt than I did at that moment. To this day I can’t bring myself to finish my renegade run
It was my first playthrough and I also felt actual true guilt. That is the power of Mass Effect, after 3 games, you truly care for these characters. Although they aren't real, I felt truly guilty. I never replayed that scenario again. IT was an unforgetable gaming experience. In nearly 20 years of gaming, I have never felt something like that.
I mean without wrex and eve... Having Wreav on command the krogan would just have another violent battle with the rest of the galaxy. They do say "Let's wait till the krogan have a better leadership again to do this" Mordin dies just cuz Shepard was being plain evil lol
Yup, either he dies in ME1 or just make your full run with him MIA (well, as you said, more accurate to say nor recruited, this will make both ME2 and 2 pretend he died).
@@PikangsFutaba When you import such a save in ME2 it says that Wrex survived Virmire (although he never showed up), and in ME3 it says he was not recruited and his name doesn't show up on the memorial wall, so I don't think they pretend he died, he may still be alive doing contracts or lurking somewhere ;)
there is no baby Krogan it is said in the scene it's a fertilized egg and it seems to be inside an incubator. I saved Mordin in one of my playthrough if you don't play the first game in ME2 Wrex is dead by canon and you have Reeve in command of the Krogans and he wants revenge for the genophage and he wants to start a new war so it makes sense to trick him and save Mordin pity for the female Krogan though who dies in the process.
I'll always love the lil nod Legion gives Tali when she says 'for once, Legion, we agree' lol. Like a lil puppy I've been tempted for a while now to like, do a video or something looking at identity through Mass Effect as a medium. The debate about Legion's pronouns is something I find interesting, for example, because it's something completely irrelevant to the Geth. They are not individuals, until ME3, and we have no idea if gender is something they would go on to develop. And yet, it's something that I've seen a few let's players bring up when talking about them. It links in to something they say on their loyalty mission at the start, where if you suggest that, since the geth are just machines rather than 'people', you don't see anything wrong with rewriting them. Legion agrees that it's a valid observation, and half of the programs within it's platform think it's the better option, and comments something to the effect of 'treating all species the same is racist, even benign anthropomorphism'; in a sense, treating the Geth as equals means treating them as different from us, because in their eyes they are different to us... and they're okay with that. Liara's father says something similar, in that she gets pissed off when you call her Liara's mother. Shepherd apologises and says that, were she human, they'd both be called the mother, to which Liara's father responds that she's not a human. Anyway, fun as always Meg! It was fun catching part of this on stream :))
About the Genophage-Mordin thing: Tbh we feel sorry for Wrex's death in ME1 once we have finished the trilogy and get attached to him. Choosing to kill Wrex in ME1 is not a total evil choice, compared to some others in the trilogy. If you're playing a Ruthless Shepard who's commited to accomplish the mission no matter the cost, that's a valid choice since Wrex was kinda jeopardizing the mission. So if someone's playing the trilogy for the first time, it's possible to keep Mordin alive in ME3 without feeling that much weight on Wrex's death. I have a friend who did just like that.
The only thing I really disagree with that you said is when you said Bailey was being a POS. I don't see how... He knew nothing that Shepard did. To him it was just another crazy person on citadel and he was just doing his job.
Meg got some videos you would find illuminating: (Big Dan Gamming) 10 SECRETS and Tiny Details You Probably Missed in Mass Effect Legendary Edition, (Gameranx) 10 Heartbreaking Mass Effect Backstories then followed by (Big Dan Gamming) This Asari DID WHAT to JOKER'S SISTER???. Lots of cool little tidbits of mass Effect details.
Other disturbing thing you can do in ME3 is being in a relationship with Tali, then side with the geth without enough support to make the quarians stop their attack. This will result in one of the worst scenes in ME3. It is not necessary to be in a relationship with Tali to get that scene, but it will deffo make it worse.
When I played ME3 for the first time ever, I had done something wrong and on that mission, I couldn't Rally or Warn the fleet (no red or blue option) so I had to choose between the Geth and the Quarians. After many agonizing minutes, I chose to let Legion continue the upload. I knew Tali would be upset but I did NOT expect her to die - I was not romancing Tali but I was wrecked for many hours afterwards. Playing the rest of ME3 without Tali - I've played thru the trilogy many times and I never did it again.
The reaosn is because you need to pic certain decision in the 2 previous game Kill or dont recruit wrex (ME1) Destroy the data in mording loyalty mission (ME2) Ik wrex's one can be skipped with the comic dlc (the comic which basically let you pick what decision you did in the last 2 games) but im not sure about mordin's one
So again we talk about renegade. I want to remind people that you need to know what you are doing to get sabotage without killing Mordin Second of all renegade is when you get things done no matter the cost. I like paragade since you dont have a fairy tale or become bad just to be bad. I just dont get it when people say "you cant play that way cause it`s bad or evil". You choose your own story Want It to be a fairy tale. OK Want to be evil. OK And now the best part SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT LIKE SOME CHARACTERS So yeah for some people killing Mordin was nothing. You might not agree with them but telling them that they are "wrong" is wierd Same goes for decision making in any story game
@@RAD2070 Really? I've never seen a unicorn, have you? Does that mean they don't exist? Is that a weird presumption? I agree that some people might not like some characters but I haven't heard of anyone not liking Mordin - be honest, did you not like Mordin? All I'm saying that your point that "for some people killing Mordin was nothing" is probably extremely rare, and MAYBE even non-existent, unless someone can honestly say they didn't like Mordin.
@@oldmangamer01 first of all I love Mordin However I came to that after playing all three games like 5 times Second of all I really don’t understand why this is the point that you focused on Even if the chance is small that is still possible Like why are we even talking about people who might not like Mordin? You wanna meet one or what?
@@RAD2070 Your statement about someone not liking Mordin just struck me as weird - well, maybe it's better to say "extremely rare" or maybe even "non-existent". And yes, I would like to meet someone who didn't like Mordin. It'd be like seeing a unicorn! LOL, it's all good, mate. I wasn't intending to pick a fight with you or anything.
this shows that most of the "choices" in these games boil down to "do you want to be a good person and progress the plot as clearly intended by the writers or a sociopath gaslighter who can't even stick to one antisocial personality disorder cluster?"
Mordin's death is even sadder when you realize that in order to keep him alive in ME3 you have to have killed Wrex, another fan favorite, in the first game. :(
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A small disturbing detail if you choose to gun down Mordin. The gun Shepard uses is the same gun that Mordin gave you as a gift for helping him in his recruitment mission in Mass Effect 2. After Shepard shoots him, he leaves and tosses the gun aside.
kind of fitting if you think about it
Really I never noticed that I have sadly gunned down that Old Boy!! For galactic peace and security!? ☹️
You know it’s bad when Shepard tossed the gun away like that after, it’s got such a “I’m terrible” feeling in the motion
He did it on my first playthrough as well though I let Mordin cure the genophage. I just couldn't shoot him but I let him go up and cure the phage. Shep still throws the pistol away and it hits harder in that regard because though he didn't shoot him he came very very close to betraying one of his most loyal friends
That's what I like about Big Dan...he makes the heart-wrenching decisions so I don't have to.
Xen: *exists*
Legion: Shepard Commander, HELP.
“Mordin, every time we’ve talked about this before you’ve defended the genophage! LOOK AT THIS CABLE BILL.”
- Commander Shepard
"I MADE A MISTAKE!"
- Mordin after paying for the one year subscription
What I don't like about the whole genophage thing in ME3 is how they retconned it. Morden in ME2 clearly said that the genophage was designed to limit Krogan reproduction to the same level as the other species of the galaxy. What's wrong with that?
@@mikeroman5208 I don't see how that's a retcon. In fact Mordin himself had already done work updating the genophage by the time we recruit him.
The whole issue with it in ME3 is that, with certain doom looming in the near future and high chance of stillborns, Krogans aren't really interested in breeding attempts. They go off-world to be mercenaries and bodyguards and most never return. That means the genophage is effectively killing off the Krogan and should be at least adjusted, but we get the solid argument that it could be lifted altogether.
@@ricksaburai I didn't think of that and I agree with you. However, this argument only serves to prove the Salarian Dalatrass right: the Krogan are unable or unwilling to change their warlike ways. Instead of working to rebuild their society and the planet that they themselves nuked into oblivion, they opted to spend the following one thousand years going off-world to become soldiers of fortune. Wrex can probably keep the Krogan on a short leash for a little while, but I don't see how that's possible in the long run with a population that will be growing at an exponentially accelerated rate.
To maximize war assets during the Tuchanka Arc you need to kill Wrex and Mordin but Save Maleon's data to save Eve. However, doing so results in the Krogan Extinction post-Reaper War.
Unless you pick Synthesis
Something that fascinated me in Mass Effect was how much certain characters change your view on an entire species. Like between Reeve and Wrex kind of sways the viability of curing the genophage. Also whoever willingly shot Mordin is a monster.
One of the things I did in my first playthrough was I went renegade all the way to pointing the Carnifex pistol at Mordin but as he was walking I couldn't do it...I couldn't pull the trigger....and Mordin just nods in approval as he goes up. I like the small detail even in my playthrough Shepard throws the pistol away even though I let him cure it because I wasn't sure. It's symbolic because even if you don't pull the trigger Shep still realizes he almost gunned down one of his most loyal friends and feels he doesn't deserve the pistol he gave you.
Shooting Mordin stopped my renegade play through in its tracks and I’ve never felt more guilt than I did at that moment.
To this day I can’t bring myself to finish my renegade run
It was my first playthrough and I also felt actual true guilt.
That is the power of Mass Effect, after 3 games, you truly care for these characters. Although they aren't real, I felt truly guilty.
I never replayed that scenario again. IT was an unforgetable gaming experience. In nearly 20 years of gaming, I have never felt something like that.
16:20 I can excuse the sabotage and dooming an entire race but mordin is where I draw the line 😂😭
I mean without wrex and eve... Having Wreav on command the krogan would just have another violent battle with the rest of the galaxy.
They do say "Let's wait till the krogan have a better leadership again to do this"
Mordin dies just cuz Shepard was being plain evil lol
Admiral Xen: "I want to make the geth our slaves again!"
Meg: "Oh, she wants S E X T H I N G S!"
omg xD
Meg got a weird idea of slavery 🤨
@@metetural9140OH YOU MARVELOUS MACHINE YOU
Waiting for Meg to see Garrus and Zaeed weaponizing Shepard's apartment, lol.
3:50 "Wrex must have died"
That's not entirely true, alternatively you can just not recruit him at all in ME1 :)
Yup, either he dies in ME1 or just make your full run with him MIA (well, as you said, more accurate to say nor recruited, this will make both ME2 and 2 pretend he died).
@@PikangsFutaba When you import such a save in ME2 it says that Wrex survived Virmire (although he never showed up), and in ME3 it says he was not recruited and his name doesn't show up on the memorial wall, so I don't think they pretend he died, he may still be alive doing contracts or lurking somewhere ;)
there is no baby Krogan it is said in the scene it's a fertilized egg and it seems to be inside an incubator.
I saved Mordin in one of my playthrough if you don't play the first game in ME2 Wrex is dead by canon and you have Reeve in command of the Krogans and he wants revenge for the genophage and he wants to start a new war so it makes sense to trick him and save Mordin pity for the female Krogan though who dies in the process.
They could've at least let us see the egg.
@@Mabra51 It's just an egg nothing so interesting I think.
15:01 shepard became a villain right here
I'll always love the lil nod Legion gives Tali when she says 'for once, Legion, we agree' lol. Like a lil puppy
I've been tempted for a while now to like, do a video or something looking at identity through Mass Effect as a medium. The debate about Legion's pronouns is something I find interesting, for example, because it's something completely irrelevant to the Geth. They are not individuals, until ME3, and we have no idea if gender is something they would go on to develop. And yet, it's something that I've seen a few let's players bring up when talking about them. It links in to something they say on their loyalty mission at the start, where if you suggest that, since the geth are just machines rather than 'people', you don't see anything wrong with rewriting them. Legion agrees that it's a valid observation, and half of the programs within it's platform think it's the better option, and comments something to the effect of 'treating all species the same is racist, even benign anthropomorphism'; in a sense, treating the Geth as equals means treating them as different from us, because in their eyes they are different to us... and they're okay with that. Liara's father says something similar, in that she gets pissed off when you call her Liara's mother. Shepherd apologises and says that, were she human, they'd both be called the mother, to which Liara's father responds that she's not a human.
Anyway, fun as always Meg! It was fun catching part of this on stream :))
About the Genophage-Mordin thing:
Tbh we feel sorry for Wrex's death in ME1 once we have finished the trilogy and get attached to him. Choosing to kill Wrex in ME1 is not a total evil choice, compared to some others in the trilogy. If you're playing a Ruthless Shepard who's commited to accomplish the mission no matter the cost, that's a valid choice since Wrex was kinda jeopardizing the mission. So if someone's playing the trilogy for the first time, it's possible to keep Mordin alive in ME3 without feeling that much weight on Wrex's death. I have a friend who did just like that.
Playing Renegade can be fun but there are things in these games I just will not do!
"How do they reproduce ?"
Very clumsily.
Anyone who can kill Mordin and Wrex like that... I don't want to know them 🤬 They're evil!
The only thing I really disagree with that you said is when you said Bailey was being a POS. I don't see how... He knew nothing that Shepard did. To him it was just another crazy person on citadel and he was just doing his job.
Meg got some videos you would find illuminating: (Big Dan Gamming) 10 SECRETS and Tiny Details You Probably Missed in Mass Effect Legendary Edition, (Gameranx) 10 Heartbreaking Mass Effect Backstories then followed by (Big Dan Gamming) This Asari DID WHAT to JOKER'S SISTER???. Lots of cool little tidbits of mass Effect details.
Such a shame that Wrex went crazy and got himself killed by Shepard…😏
the secret is to have mordin die in me2
When you see big dan in another TH-cam's video, love yo see it. BIG DAN HERE.
Other disturbing thing you can do in ME3 is being in a relationship with Tali, then side with the geth without enough support to make the quarians stop their attack. This will result in one of the worst scenes in ME3. It is not necessary to be in a relationship with Tali to get that scene, but it will deffo make it worse.
When I played ME3 for the first time ever, I had done something wrong and on that mission, I couldn't Rally or Warn the fleet (no red or blue option) so I had to choose between the Geth and the Quarians. After many agonizing minutes, I chose to let Legion continue the upload. I knew Tali would be upset but I did NOT expect her to die - I was not romancing Tali but I was wrecked for many hours afterwards. Playing the rest of ME3 without Tali - I've played thru the trilogy many times and I never did it again.
NOT THE ZOOM IN ON MY CHATS 😶🌫😂
I usually don't edit these but your reactions killed me
@@MegMage LOL I suppose its only fair considering how much I zoom in on you 😂
Mordin can survive Tuchanka?! WTF!!!! I’ve been playing ME3 since launch day all those years ago......
He still won't come to Citadel party if you were wondering.
The reaosn is because you need to pic certain decision in the 2 previous game
Kill or dont recruit wrex (ME1)
Destroy the data in mording loyalty mission (ME2)
Ik wrex's one can be skipped with the comic dlc (the comic which basically let you pick what decision you did in the last 2 games) but im not sure about mordin's one
So again we talk about renegade.
I want to remind people that you need to know what you are doing to get sabotage without killing Mordin
Second of all renegade is when you get things done no matter the cost. I like paragade since you dont have a fairy tale or become bad just to be bad.
I just dont get it when people say "you cant play that way cause it`s bad or evil".
You choose your own story
Want It to be a fairy tale. OK
Want to be evil. OK
And now the best part
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT LIKE SOME CHARACTERS
So yeah for some people killing Mordin was nothing.
You might not agree with them but telling them that they are "wrong" is wierd
Same goes for decision making in any story game
Ok, but I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone who didn't like Mordin and would feel nothing when shooting him in the back. Have you?
@@oldmangamer01 So the fact that you didnt saw anyone means they dont exist? I dont belive that i need to tell you how wierd that presumption is.
@@RAD2070 Really? I've never seen a unicorn, have you? Does that mean they don't exist? Is that a weird presumption? I agree that some people might not like some characters but I haven't heard of anyone not liking Mordin - be honest, did you not like Mordin? All I'm saying that your point that "for some people killing Mordin was nothing" is probably extremely rare, and MAYBE even non-existent, unless someone can honestly say they didn't like Mordin.
@@oldmangamer01 first of all I love Mordin
However I came to that after playing all three games like 5 times
Second of all I really don’t understand why this is the point that you focused on
Even if the chance is small that is still possible
Like why are we even talking about people who might not like Mordin? You wanna meet one or what?
@@RAD2070 Your statement about someone not liking Mordin just struck me as weird - well, maybe it's better to say "extremely rare" or maybe even "non-existent". And yes, I would like to meet someone who didn't like Mordin. It'd be like seeing a unicorn! LOL, it's all good, mate. I wasn't intending to pick a fight with you or anything.
My favorite part is FemShep's awkward flirting with James in the Citadel DLC. Please take a look)
this shows that most of the "choices" in these games boil down to "do you want to be a good person and progress the plot as clearly intended by the writers or a sociopath gaslighter who can't even stick to one antisocial personality disorder cluster?"
Not true. That's your own simple interpretation
Awesome reaction video , massive inspiration to us smaller creators 👍👍
Mordin's death is even sadder when you realize that in order to keep him alive in ME3 you have to have killed Wrex, another fan favorite, in the first game.
:(
You should react to Tali suicide on her homeworld
faking the genophage cure is one of the most satisfying moments in the trilogy, along with letting the council die.
But the prize....
Heavy risk...
Sex things? What? lmao
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