Thank you very much Tyson. We have recently installed this very machine and we also have a Puma, both of which I’ve been wanting to set up the tool load monitors. You actually explained this way better that the guy who did the training with us. 👍🏻
In the past I repaired a damaged Okuma LC 40 CNC lathe, of which the cross support was broken due to a collision with the chuck, the new one was made of steel with all oil channels, guides, etc. and has served for years in the Machinefabriek in Vlissingen, The Netherlands.
THIS...is awesome! Thanks 👍 to the person posting this question and thanks to Titan for answering it the best way possible! Is this also possible to do this tool load monitor in 'Heidenhein' controller? Would love a video on that.
Thanks. It would have been a bit better if you'd had some data from that first test job so you could show how you'd use data from a real job to set the values. But really useful.
He didn't really elaborate on it, but it sounds like you can run the program to get base line tool loads with a new set up. Then make adjustments to the base line management parameters from there to manage the tool life. I'm sure it takes a bit of data collection and used tool analysis to figure out exactly what the numbers should be. These types of monitors are really useful on long running jobs where you can really dial in the correct parameters, or like Tyson mentioned as a safety measure when running lights out.
@@brandons9138 Yeah. Had it happen last night when I broke an endmill and it kept going for a long time. Workpiece got all scarred up (luckily was just a gift for a family member)
Man.. 🤣 Tyson I still can't believe that TITAN is your father ... Titan looks your elder brother.. To me.. BTW cool information... Thanks... Like your video before it's started.... 😉
Anyone have details on what alarm lvl 0 and 1 do? We are having an issue with our doosan and a ~1.08" drill, the warning alarm comes up, but we never encounter a break condition even though we cross over the threshold. It has cost us a few drill bodies.
Can you show how to set the offsets using that fanuc control? And since you’ve worked on all control systems with different machines. Which one is your favorite?
The Fanuc 0i still seems archaic compared to Haas. The Homing procedure and tool setting just seems ridiculous compared to Haas. Loading a file seems like 20 steps, why not select + load. The Machine is much nicer and more rigid I think, but the control is like going back to 1998. Actually, the embedded interfaces looks like win98 or XP.
It would be nice if you can set. That wen a alarm for a tool go on. To just go and change whit a nother tool that is the same size and not used in the program . so you can run much longer
Emil that is the point of tool load monitoring once it hits limits if you have a "sister" tool available in the turret it will jump to that and use it to allow continuous running, Maybe Tyson can explain how this works.
I run this same machine daily at work. Would it be possible to get a video showing how to use the jaw cutting function? I am currently using MasterCam to cut my soft jaws and would prefer to just do it at my machine.
@@stevenoke9390 I'm not sure. I have read through the manual that came with the machine and haven't found anything about any predefined macros or parameters for jaw cutting. The guy that setup the machine said there was a way to quickly cut soft jaws similar to what can be done on a Mazak integrex 70 but couldn't figure it out.
@@christianmeeks4430 You could create a simple program that offsets in x and z that would produce jaws that you require. try something like this www.linkedin.com/in/michael-potter-45279a30?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAAaF8v4BmzuygDQVem2vLLBvAblnLD7kCIY&lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_feed%3BTwpsIivqT16T8L5nw%2FvC0g%3D%3D&licu=urn%3Ali%3Acontrol%3Ad_flagship3_feed-actor_container&lici=hQEkQKXXOp62MkjrGD1bAA%3D%3D
PathPilot doesn't have a load monitor that can feed data back into the machine to take a specific action. The load meter that is available is only an analog output for visual monitoring of spindle load. This would be awesome functionality to have, but PathPilot just isn't 'smart' enough at the moment to be able to do something like this.
I dont have Facebook or any other social media that they have a page on but I would really appreciate some help with gear hobbing having loads of headache with finding the right feeds and speeds
You don't need any M-codes to activate it, that is done in console (as seen at 1:30), but there are M-codes to temporarily disable the TLM in the program.
kenna metal go-drill going through 1000 parts, then scrap that shit at get a SECO drill! i love the fact that they constantly talks about efficiency, yet using nothing but kenna metal tools!
I think you are missing the point. Titan of CNC is TEACHING YOU. Not just theoretical, but real life. So they are taking a (A) Kennametal tool, and they show you how to use it and how to be highly efficient with THAT tool. Everybody knows that if you do the same thing with "China" tool it would not work. Or if you use some other better tool the parameters would be different. But if you want to jump right away, cutting xyz material, then you can take the Kennametal X tool, put THIS parameters, and run with it. They did all the testing for you. That's the point. You want to use other brand names, go ahead. Different parameters. They can't cover every tool on the market. They picked Kenna because they like it and because Kenna is now a sponsor. Why should they show somebody's else tools?
@@balooc2 Not trolling. I am giving you respect. I am trying to make a logical reasoning. Is everything SECO does is better than Kenna, or are you talking only about the go-drill. If specifically their drill is better, but endmills are not better, then why switching back and forth with Titan's recommendations. I doubt they do everything better because nobody is doing everything better. Which leads to the second question, 'who is better than them?'. whomever that is, people may ask why doesn't Titan recommend that one, and not SECO. It's a never ending cycle. There is always someone better and then we can ask why isn't Titan recommend "that" one. You see, I am not trolling. The point is that Titan (or anybody else for that matter) needs to choose a brand they trust, and run with it. And if that brand is a sponsor, then use their products as the teaching subject. As long as the tools are good, and there is no false advertisement then it's OK. I don't remember Titan ever claiming that Kenna does everything better. Except from a few tools, that he raves about. Like KOR, etc.
Algum brasileiro que trabalhe com usinagem CNC, quero entender a realidade, para trabalhar nos USA. Se alguem puder e quiser me ajudar! Obrigado! Some Brazilian who works with CNC machining, I want to understand the reality, to work in the USA. If anyone can and want to help me! Thanks! @fabinotarouco
This is a TLM. It measures tool life based on the power consumption of the tool. Dull tools require more power to cut, therefore it can tell you when a tool needs replacing. Now this is not fool proof, as a small tool may not require enough power to trigger an alarm based on power consumption. A 1/8 drill in aluminum may not draw enough power for the machine to recognize that it is even cutting, let alone dull.
we always work according to the requirements. if you have a large series on the machine with long, unmanned running times, setting up the tlm makes sense. of course not for small series and individual parts. but there is really no shame in making mistakes in this job. It is the most difficult craft profession, by far. if you count surgeons among the craftsmen, they stand a little above us, but you don't and that is why we are the kings of the craft. joiners, carpenters, I do that in my sleep. sorry for my bad english and greetings from the heart of europe.
@@conhel8826 People ask me what i do for a living. The give me strange looks when I say "I make our world possible". People don't realize that machining is the basis for the world we live in. With out machining, we'd be living in a pre industrial revolution world. It would be a VERY different world than we live in today.
The doosans have 2 systems that are called the same yet do very different things. Tyson got confused in his video as the original post asked for tool life management and he explained tool load management. I'd like to be proven wrong but, run a part with too load management over 50parts and see the wild variations in load that happen. All you need is a chip to deflect some coolant and the load varies enough to error out, you are constantly resetting the machine or increasing the allowable tolerance to a point it makes little sense. Tool Life management is 100% reliable for a process reliablility.
@@Nico-wp6jq Titan got it right. If you were to look up my original comment on one of Titan's previous videos about the 2600, there are a couple of replies to it between me and Titan. One of those comments I explain how to get to the TLM that Tyson explains in this video. I guess I misspoke because I was at home, not at the machine when I typed my original comment so I was just working off of my memory. I didn't know Doosan had a second TLM. Is that one optional or is it also a standard feature? I'd be interested in knowing more about it.
Thank you very much Tyson. We have recently installed this very machine and we also have a Puma, both of which I’ve been wanting to set up the tool load monitors. You actually explained this way better that the guy who did the training with us. 👍🏻
In the past I repaired a damaged Okuma LC 40 CNC lathe, of which the cross support was broken due to a collision with the chuck, the new one was made of steel with all oil channels, guides, etc. and has served for years in the Machinefabriek in Vlissingen, The Netherlands.
Awesome! Thanks for the video. Going to try it out today.
It's a pleasure to listen to Tyson :)
AWESOME video! Very well done: clear, concise, informative, and exceptionally well presented!
Tyson, you missed a few BOOM's, A good and informative video thanks man. your a natural.
THIS...is awesome! Thanks 👍 to the person posting this question and thanks to Titan for answering it the best way possible!
Is this also possible to do this tool load monitor in 'Heidenhein' controller? Would love a video on that.
Great Video Tyson, you are the best presenter and teacher from Titans of cnc
Thank you, Tyson!
love the comments great interaction. now seriously milling or turning!
Can you make a video showing how to tell when its time to change out a bit? Then grinding it or replacing it
Great Video! Can you make a video for Tool Life Management?
Please keep making these videos!
Thanks for this video!👍🇩🇪
Good video
More please..😁
Please make one for the mill version, it's pretty different than the lathe
how can I get in process inspection results by using prob. Fanuc 31I- b5
What if the tool I am running does not register enough load on the spindle to trigger the load monitor and make the air cut time usable?
Thanks. It would have been a bit better if you'd had some data from that first test job so you could show how you'd use data from a real job to set the values. But really useful.
He didn't really elaborate on it, but it sounds like you can run the program to get base line tool loads with a new set up. Then make adjustments to the base line management parameters from there to manage the tool life. I'm sure it takes a bit of data collection and used tool analysis to figure out exactly what the numbers should be. These types of monitors are really useful on long running jobs where you can really dial in the correct parameters, or like Tyson mentioned as a safety measure when running lights out.
@@brandons9138 Yeah. Had it happen last night when I broke an endmill and it kept going for a long time. Workpiece got all scarred up (luckily was just a gift for a family member)
Hi
We have Dooshan 2600 series ,5 machines
We would like understand M66,M65 Dual pressure
Man.. 🤣 Tyson
I still can't believe that TITAN is your father ...
Titan looks your elder brother.. To me..
BTW cool information... Thanks...
Like your video before it's started.... 😉
Anyone know how this feature works on the doosan pumas running sinumerik 828d?
Can you make more videos on lathe and g code programming?
Anyone have details on what alarm lvl 0 and 1 do? We are having an issue with our doosan and a ~1.08" drill, the warning alarm comes up, but we never encounter a break condition even though we cross over the threshold. It has cost us a few drill bodies.
The DMG MORI lathe vs Doosan lathe. which one you like more ?
Can we adapt it to our CNC even if we do not have the TLM in menu? What should we buy if it is so?
Can you show how to set the offsets using that fanuc control? And since you’ve worked on all control systems with different machines. Which one is your favorite?
Can we make a program to control the tool load limits ?
The Fanuc 0i still seems archaic compared to Haas. The Homing procedure and tool setting just seems ridiculous compared to Haas. Loading a file seems like 20 steps, why not select + load. The Machine is much nicer and more rigid I think, but the control is like going back to 1998. Actually, the embedded interfaces looks like win98 or XP.
Any chance of teaching heidenhain?
Want to use it in Doosan VMC but the TLM windows in our VMC is different than the video...Please help
It would be nice if you can set. That wen a alarm for a tool go on. To just go and change whit a nother tool that is the same size and not used in the program . so you can run much longer
Emil that is the point of tool load monitoring once it hits limits if you have a "sister" tool available in the turret it will jump to that and use it to allow continuous running, Maybe Tyson can explain how this works.
@@stevenoke9390 that is awsome
I run this same machine daily at work. Would it be possible to get a video showing how to use the jaw cutting function? I am currently using MasterCam to cut my soft jaws and would prefer to just do it at my machine.
Hi Christian could you program the jaw boring with predefined macro or parameters that way its a quick change and you can get any size depth you need?
@@stevenoke9390 I'm not sure. I have read through the manual that came with the machine and haven't found anything about any predefined macros or parameters for jaw cutting. The guy that setup the machine said there was a way to quickly cut soft jaws similar to what can be done on a Mazak integrex 70 but couldn't figure it out.
@@christianmeeks4430 You could create a simple program that offsets in x and z that would produce jaws that you require. try something like this www.linkedin.com/in/michael-potter-45279a30?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAAaF8v4BmzuygDQVem2vLLBvAblnLD7kCIY&lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_feed%3BTwpsIivqT16T8L5nw%2FvC0g%3D%3D&licu=urn%3Ali%3Acontrol%3Ad_flagship3_feed-actor_container&lici=hQEkQKXXOp62MkjrGD1bAA%3D%3D
M200 style :D
Show us how to do this on the Tormach please.
PathPilot doesn't have a load monitor that can feed data back into the machine to take a specific action. The load meter that is available is only an analog output for visual monitoring of spindle load.
This would be awesome functionality to have, but PathPilot just isn't 'smart' enough at the moment to be able to do something like this.
Titans do not use Tormach machines, nor is this even possible on a Tormach.
I dont have Facebook or any other social media that they have a page on but I would really appreciate some help with gear hobbing having loads of headache with finding the right feeds and speeds
Hi Tucker massive question this one including what machine what module what setup reach out with some more detail im sure the guys will help.
Stop breaking tools should be a machine shop name
How about "Scrappy's Machine Works"? We get you parts fast, but who knows if they are to print.
Thank You!
Do you have to add codes to the NC program or does it set it up automatically?
You don't need any M-codes to activate it, that is done in console (as seen at 1:30), but there are M-codes to temporarily disable the TLM in the program.
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kenna metal go-drill going through 1000 parts, then scrap that shit at get a SECO drill! i love the fact that they constantly talks about efficiency, yet using nothing but kenna metal tools!
I think you are missing the point. Titan of CNC is TEACHING YOU. Not just theoretical, but real life. So they are taking a (A) Kennametal tool, and they show you how to use it and how to be highly efficient with THAT tool. Everybody knows that if you do the same thing with "China" tool it would not work. Or if you use some other better tool the parameters would be different. But if you want to jump right away, cutting xyz material, then you can take the Kennametal X tool, put THIS parameters, and run with it. They did all the testing for you. That's the point.
You want to use other brand names, go ahead. Different parameters. They can't cover every tool on the market. They picked Kenna because they like it and because Kenna is now a sponsor. Why should they show somebody's else tools?
@@danl.4743 because they're better?
@@balooc2 Everything they have is better?? And who is better than them?
ok now you're just trolling..
@@balooc2 Not trolling. I am giving you respect. I am trying to make a logical reasoning. Is everything SECO does is better than Kenna, or are you talking only about the go-drill. If specifically their drill is better, but endmills are not better, then why switching back and forth with Titan's recommendations. I doubt they do everything better because nobody is doing everything better. Which leads to the second question, 'who is better than them?'. whomever that is, people may ask why doesn't Titan recommend that one, and not SECO. It's a never ending cycle. There is always someone better and then we can ask why isn't Titan recommend "that" one.
You see, I am not trolling. The point is that Titan (or anybody else for that matter) needs to choose a brand they trust, and run with it. And if that brand is a sponsor, then use their products as the teaching subject. As long as the tools are good, and there is no false advertisement then it's OK.
I don't remember Titan ever claiming that Kenna does everything better. Except from a few tools, that he raves about. Like KOR, etc.
2nd
Stop "climb milling" that reduces breaking by 99% 😣
Climb cutting is way better for tool life and surface finish. Conventional milling rubs the part and tool generating heat and reducing tool life.
@@brandons9138 really??? I'm going to make a video to show it. 😲
@@userwl2850 On a manual or CNC machine?
Algum brasileiro que trabalhe com usinagem CNC, quero entender a realidade, para trabalhar nos USA. Se alguem puder e quiser me ajudar!
Obrigado!
Some Brazilian who works with CNC machining, I want to understand the reality, to work in the USA. If anyone can and want to help me!
Thanks! @fabinotarouco
Good in theory, in practice, it's a waste fo time. Get good tools and use TLM (tool life monitor) instead.
This is a TLM. It measures tool life based on the power consumption of the tool. Dull tools require more power to cut, therefore it can tell you when a tool needs replacing. Now this is not fool proof, as a small tool may not require enough power to trigger an alarm based on power consumption. A 1/8 drill in aluminum may not draw enough power for the machine to recognize that it is even cutting, let alone dull.
we always work according to the requirements. if you have a large series on the machine with long, unmanned running times, setting up the tlm makes sense. of course not for small series and individual parts.
but there is really no shame in making mistakes in this job. It is the most difficult craft profession, by far. if you count surgeons among the craftsmen, they stand a little above us, but you don't and that is why we are the kings of the craft. joiners, carpenters, I do that in my sleep.
sorry for my bad english and greetings from the heart of europe.
@@conhel8826 People ask me what i do for a living. The give me strange looks when I say "I make our world possible". People don't realize that machining is the basis for the world we live in. With out machining, we'd be living in a pre industrial revolution world. It would be a VERY different world than we live in today.
The doosans have 2 systems that are called the same yet do very different things. Tyson got confused in his video as the original post asked for tool life management and he explained tool load management.
I'd like to be proven wrong but, run a part with too load management over 50parts and see the wild variations in load that happen. All you need is a chip to deflect some coolant and the load varies enough to error out, you are constantly resetting the machine or increasing the allowable tolerance to a point it makes little sense.
Tool Life management is 100% reliable for a process reliablility.
@@Nico-wp6jq Titan got it right. If you were to look up my original comment on one of Titan's previous videos about the 2600, there are a couple of replies to it between me and Titan. One of those comments I explain how to get to the TLM that Tyson explains in this video. I guess I misspoke because I was at home, not at the machine when I typed my original comment so I was just working off of my memory. I didn't know Doosan had a second TLM. Is that one optional or is it also a standard feature? I'd be interested in knowing more about it.