Bluewater sailing, center vs aft cockpit
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- Bluewater sailing, center vs aft cockpit, Howtosailing, what do you prefer? Let me know in the comments, and why.
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Boats 44ish and up. Had a Kelly Peterson 44’ center cocpit. Loved it. 15 opening ports. 3 large hatches and 2 full companionways. Great ventilation. Large engine space. 2 heads 2 showers great boat. Also had, my favorite a CAL ll-46 Ketch. CC, full headroom WALK IN engine room with a drill press, a vice and 8kw gen, 20 gph water maker. All pumps and such IN the engine ROOM. 220 gal water 270 gal diesel! Galley had 16 feet of counter space, the fwd and aft hanging lockers we big enough to get in and close the door! I sailed 200 mile days and the 85 hp Perkins with 3:1 reduction turned a 26” prop that could motor straight into a near gale.
And yes, this boat was waaaay ahead of its time. It was built in 1973 and is STILL crossing oceans! Gee, you might say that I like this boat. Yeah, for larger boats, center cocpit for sure. And both of these boats had deep secure cocpits. Never a problem and much drier that aft. Many aft Cocpit boats you were sitting only a foot or two from the sea! One pooping wave and you are under water.
You missed the biggest reason the Center Cockpit Boats have gained in popularity!
As the target buyer of sailing vessels have aged and become more affluent, the function of a CC boat has become more necessary!! As you age, getting up to go to the bathroom is pretty normal, the rear stateroom with a bed that you can easily slide out of, without crawling over you partner, becomes the difference between a livable situation vs being on a camping trip!!!
I've owned both and sailed on many examples of both. The two have different strengths but overall I prefer the CC. As for not being able to have a successful centre cockpit under 45ft, my turn to call BS. Ted Brewer designed the centre cockpit Whitby 42 about 50 years ago with plenty of head room below and in the cockpit, great aft cabin with secure bunk, incredible storage throughout, spacious engine room with access all around the motor, tankage modern boat owners can only dream of and they sail pretty well too.
Yes you can find them on ones under 45, the Whitbey 42 though would not be my personal choice for several reasons but they do have a great layout for a cc under 45
A very fair comparison. Well done again! 👏👏👏
I didn't do a before & after simply because I know what I want. I want a boat steered with a tiller, which dictates an aft cockpit-simple as that. Though helms are neat and look nice, I prefer the simplicity of a tiller, because there's simply less to go wrong, less to break down; there are no cables, pulleys, and/or linkages to deal with on a tiller. Also, autopilot options are easier, simpler, and cheaper.
I have owned 45´ and 53´ aft cockpit boats and currently own a 48´ center cockpit. I prefer the center cockpit for many reasons particularly the ability of having a spacious aft cabin plus I feel more protected, especially from following seas. I agree that boats under 45’ just don’t work well in a center cockpit format. Additionally for boats in the 57’+ range you can have a decent aft cabin with an aft cockpit...so you could go either way. I think the mid range of sizes, 45-60’, a boat lays out particularly well with a center cockpit. When at anchor sleeping in the forward cabin gets too bouncy for my taste. You do feel closer to the water in an aft cockpit which here again is both a pro and a con. YMMV
I agree on what you say about size as well
I Said the same thing in the video, once above 45 foot is just a personal choice as the rest is out the window. Under 45 its not ideal as he stated and I believe I eluded to in the video.. He is simply referring to aft cabin size on 45 to 60 foot cc boats. 40 and under in my opinion a aft helm is overall better.The reality is the aft cabin is the main selling point for cc sailboats. The rest is just misconceptions, few hints of truth but mostly misconceptions.
After watching the video my preference is still for a center cockpit. Add a hard dodger, hatches in the aft cabin, a swim platform (think of the Amel 50) and you've addressed all your concerns.
I used to prefer AC to CC “bath tub boats” until I toured a Hylas 46 CC. What a beautiful design. Now I’m sold on CC for over 45ft, AC for under 45ft, or a catamaran lol.
Over 45 thay do have some stunning layouts
I keep wandering through this new world to me, and thanks for your information.
Tha ks for watching
First, love your sailboat. beautiful sailboat. hmm, i thought i had that part figure out now not so sure.. Great video.
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I have Never been on a boat bigger than a 17 ft. tri hull ski boat. At 0:40, I have always loved a Center Cockpit ! But now, on to the video.
Each has its pros and cons. I've only sailed aft cockpit boats. I look forward to saving a center cockpit someday.
I've never sailed but i like the floorplan of cc best. With the raised roof for the main cabin behind the cockpit. Seems like it would give a nice spot to secure a dingy where you would be unloading along with access on and off the boat. With a hard canopy over the cockpit and dingy area would make lots of space for solor panels.
Been leaning aft since the beginning of my sailing experience, but I have an open mind on center.
I'm looking more and more into the alternative to build my own design. Thnx heaps for your series!
As a single handed sailor I would prefer the non CC because i would spend my time in the salon area for the most part and up on deck. The cabin would be just for snoozing so im not too worried about the massive bedroom. The deal breaker would be the CC dont have the open space and accessibility of the aft cockpit and also the boom whizzing around above my head when at sea is a concern on the CC. Freeboard is another.
Thanks again for your view on things.
I was surprised to see ..that I knew the most already 😊 ...
So this all confirmed the choices I already made on paper.
Looking forward to your next video ! Keep up the good work!
Thank you thank you
You should look at the columbia 45. Its really unique. Its a flush deck CC that is open in the rear. Its the reason i bought the boat. No climbing out of the CC and easy access topside , but all the but all the benefits of the CC. I am converting mine to a fully enclosed pilothousem
I think it all depends what is your style. I got a Beneteau First 345 to have some sailing fun with it. I also lived in it for quite some time. But now after 5 years I got a bit tired being cramped and too exposed to the weather with my tiller aft cockpit and 6 feet headroom in the main cabin. She's really gorgeous and sails brilliantly however I would like to switch to a CC or Pilothouse to live permanently on it. For instance a 35 foot Nauticat is a huge difference compared to mine, size by size, let alone if I look for over 40 footers. For me it's more lively and happier to live on a movable boat than staitionary between walls.
Centre is BEST!
Cool, ut everting's depent on what you want and skills! I hava à Beneteau 57, center cocpit. oké is a large vessel, but we feel very secure and very stabel. On of the best. We have big spaces and the high is no problem at all, I'm 1,87m.
Yes, 57 large vessel and beneteaus have great layouts
My preference would be aft cockpit, prior to watching the video
I've heard what sound like some pretty good arguments in favor of center cockpits. You can control your boat from there without having to go on deck as much. You can a better view of what's going on all around. You're in a more stable position compared to an aft cockpit.
However, I have no experience with such boats so I'm not really sure how much I like them in real life.
I think this video debunked most of the advantages I thought center cockpits had. Fine by me.
Before watching I have the idea that I like centre cockpit more as it gives you the option for a wide aft cabin as well as potentially reduce motion sickness in being further fwd in the boat while in the cockpit.
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts after
Still thinking centre cockpit, however if I thought the that I would be spending a lot of time in the tropics I might be swayed to want the swim access you mentioned.
@@peterdesroches5607 I'm in the Caribbean and no chance I'd ever own a cc under 45 here without a swim platform
I’m leaning to centre cockpit. I plan to make long passages with family so the size of the aft cabin is a big factor! Illl watch vid and see if it sticks!
Well, now I’m on the fence. I’m in the 42-45’ range so I will have to consider the options!
@@nickphillips1285 Just look at the layouts, your thinking is correct, just be aware of the entry and exit to the aft cabin, and how easily it is to secure yourself in bed there on a passage
I haven't watched the video yet but I would lean towards centre cockpit as my preference
Let me know what you think after please , I would be curious
Now I am not sure which cockpit I would prefer. You make a very valid argument for a rear cockpit. easier access to the water, large space. What about wind vane auto pilot installation and operation? Is one better for that?
Aft tends to be a bit easier
Yes..
Ok cool, this should be fun! Before watching I have a preference for aft cockpits. It’s what I’ve mostly sailed when chartering in the Caribbean. I like the openness of aft cockpits, ease of social gathers, and getting into the water. I know not the most practical of reasons 😆. Let’s see if anything changes....
I prefer aft as well
Aft, I prefer the larger volume and design as a livaboard. Plus I feel like it provides more space on topdeck than a CC.
I watched before I commented, but I already knew I wasn't going to change my mind. I've looked at enough boats that the ones that catch my interest most are always AC.
We love our 37cc if we buy another boat it will also be a center cockpit. But would likely be 43 ft or more PS this is my third boat in 17 years of sailing
Irwin?
How about doing a video about boats with large deep cockpits with seats with back support vs ones with shallow cockpits with little or no back support with seats that aren't even long enough to stretch out on and take a nap?
Agree to most of it… but I am pretty sure that an aft cabin has less rolling und vertical motion than an front cabin.
Not was I les to believe. Thanks for clearing up the misconceptions.
Thank you so much for watching
A lot would also depend on how your boat is rigged. What works for a sloop doesn't work so well for a ketch or schooner rig and vice versa.
The title to this video does say... "Bluewater sailing, center vs aft cockpit" and Not Coastal Cruising/Not Marina posturing/ Not Bay sailing or being an ICW warrior/ Not circumnavigation/ Not island hopping. Blue water sailing, is sailing. Not bobbing on the ball or jerking on an anchor. However, few people buy a boat to specifally sail, physically sail. Which brings us back to something mentioned in earlier videos here on this channel. Do you really need a Blue water boat? Do you need high freeboard, do you need all those ratios & values, bulkheaded compartments, redundancy in systems and equipment, tankage, duplicate electronics, back up navigation, sugar scoop stern and so on.......
sure! and you see it daily. Look at all the 4x4 vehicles with winches, brush guards, snorkels, mud tires, etc.
I think I like center cockpits because I understand that they can be shaded more readily with a full dodger. Lets watch and find out
Well this guy said that was "atomic bullshit" but he had zero explanation as to why.
Trying to access your spread sheet
💖my CC
Center
I want aft cockpit...wife wants aft stateroom!
After watching, I want aft cockpit, need to find a v-berth the wife can live with! Can't afford or want to handle a 45 footer or larger.
Center cockpit
Before the video I will say a CC but with a hard enclosed cabin and with 360 degree visibility.⛵
SE Alaska is my planned area for my first 5 years. Lol, I forget most folks like it a bit warmer. I guess I'm a pilot house sailor for now.
Center!
Interesting, seems to be about 50 50 so far
Thanx.. I am buying a boat in 3 years time and always thought centre cockpit would be the best for the reasons you just debunked so this was really helpfull. So this is one option less to worry about. Only now to decide cat or single hull?
Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment
I am wondering if there is a midsized boat that is worthy of tropical and blue water
Yes , several, it just depends on budget
Do you have any other vids that go into the different boats more? I won’t be buying quite yet but when I do I’m thinking like 20K should get a good boat right? I am doing the studying right now. Open to any resources. Love your channel :)
Depends on what your sailing goals are ? Short term, long term, coastal cruising, island hopping, pacific, Atlantic, what are you thinking ? I do live streams a lot where I go into all kinds of boats very in depth
Before video: Center cockpit because it seems more in line with my wants/needs (safety and comfort regardless of conditions/sea state). (quick edit) the boats designs & hull shapes I like often happen to be CC.
It will be interesting to see if you think the same after
After video: This video isn't a comparison as much as it is attacking the supposed (beneficial) myths of the center cockpit. I appreciate the points about proximity to boom and pitching over lifelines. The benefit of engine access and placement (on the CC boats I'm interested in) really is attractive. Maybe I'm too new, haven't read enough, but aft cockpits often coincide with flatter, wider boats with deeper thinner keels, especially newer boats. Maybe that's because of the prevalence of production (charter targeting) boats? Either way I agree with your summary; read/sail more, understand your needs, pick what works best for you! See you on the water!
@@pancakeflux thats really all that counts, getting one that fits your needs not what others say, disputing the myths to make an informed decision
@@internetposta7389 oh please tell me what the point of my video is, this should be good, as that's exactly my point in the video, clearly stating the misconceptions as I did, clearly stating to get what fits your needs, as I did, clearly stating its about you and your needs, as I did and have done in dozens of videos but yes please do tell me what the point of my video is
i think, after looking at amel 50 or 60, most of the people go for cc, and i agree. however most of the cc are not like amels. so cc to be reconsidered
And once you're in the 50 and up range then its simply personal choice as a sailboat that size will meet most of anyone's needs
@@internetposta7389 I said 45 and above in the video, did you even watch the video?
Queen eye for the boat guy...
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Center cockpit.
Hallberg rassy 352?
Do you like those ?
Love that boat!
aft
haha, still aft
No preference; I don't own a boat yet.
Amel 60 ... ☝️😎
center cockpit
Now I am confused 😒
start - center
Let me know if you changed your mind after
Think i want a forward cockpit now ;0
@@ChasingLatitudes honestly think I'd be more of a pilot house or pilot house motor sailer... unless of course I had your locale, then your boat is optimal
Yeah if I was up north I wouldn't have the boat I have as it would not be optimal
There must be a reason why they don't put the steering wheel in the back seat of a car
There must be a reason why they put in the back of a sailboat…oh yeah it’s so you can see your sails.
Aft cockpit on a sailboat 50ft or less. :)
50 or less ?
@@ChasingLatitudes 50 feet Over All Length (OAL), or less than 50 feet OAL.
I like at least 40 Feet OAL, but would prefer 50 feet OAL.
center
Let me know if you change your mind
@@ChasingLatitudes No. I'm in the process of buying a boat, but still prefer a centercockpit after watching the video. I think I need it for the heavy weather I expect. Thanks!
(We're from north-west Europe and I've got my mind set on a 2001 Amel with a small deep centercockpit and a hard dodger. -- To be honest, I'm mostly sold on the watertight bulkheads of Amel. So Please..... Please do a video on those! Thanks Again!)
@@zooitje3431 Ahh, congrats on the boat purchase, what did you get or are getting?
The title should be why you should hate centre cockpits
Maybe why to hate them on boats under 40 feet might have been a better title
Interesting no wonder you didn’t respond when I commented on Formosa and Vagabonds etc... aft cabins . Lmao 😂 and because I am over 6 feet, the boom would probably be a problem for me in a center cockpit. Still trying to decide now. As most of your time is sitting around somewhere and not actually sailing. But on the other hand, the purpose of a sailboat is to go places!!! Lmao 😂 too confusing right now!!! Of course I would rather be where you are Drinking Rum over this debate!! Lmao 😂✌🏻❤️☘️🏴☠️🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
I probably didn't see the comment, sometimes they get lost in the shuffle as I try to respond to everyone. For me and where I am , access in and out of the water is number one followed by large outdoor cockpit I can enclose to create a large outdoor living space. So I chose dual aft helm , I don't need much below deck as I am always outside. I also learned after spending so much time traveling, everyone who says they will come visit never does, I think in 20 years of travel dozens of states, even more islands, only one friend ever came to visit. So again for me the two cabin vs three. But I only have a 40, I also recently listed her for sale and will be going to a 35.1 that in reality is the same size boat, its newer so closer to actual size stated where my current boat although is a 40 the water line length is 34 ish maybe 35 and the new 35.1 is 34.93 LWL kind of funny. Now I just need mine to sell high and buy a 35.1 low Haha, we can always dream right
Center.
Center
Unless it's 50ft or bigger center not worth it
Agree 👍
Prefer Center prior to watching.
Let me know what ya think after
My first choice would be a catamaran if resources were unlimited. After watching the video I must admit I’m a little more in the middle between the two especially in the 40 to 42 foot range.
@@Irbdude yeah if we could all afford cats im sure that's about all you would see
Cc for now
center cockpit with aft birth
i don't have a boat or can i sail so in the end it doesn't matter i guess but i do like the boats and enjoy learning about them.
This seemed to be a very opinionated take rather than the pros and cons.
I have sailed in both configurations and I disagree with most of your blunt “facts” about cc . For a blue water boat you missed, free board aft in a following sea. And I would not consider your party pontoon/ cockpit a blue water boat.
I don’t hate them but I don’t like massive low cockpits with very little freeboard at sea. Nice in the marina though.
The other big factor is rig choice and the placement of main sheets and mizzen sheets if a ketch. I see a lot of aft cockpit sloops with main sheet tracks across the cockpit and cringe every time. For example in an Irwin 37cc ketch, both main, mizzen and jib sheets can be reached without leaving the helm. The main boom is well above the Bimini so totally safe and with the mizzen down you have a large usable aft deck for bbq, shower, gutting fish etc
Full headroom throughout below and and a fully protected cockpit. I’m not saying waves never get to you because they did on 2 occasions but I was glad I was not down aft that night with my arse nearly dragging in the ocean when behind the wheel.
Enjoyed the opinions...but why does every dude these days talk like Rupaul? Its annoying
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Seems 50 50 so far