I deliberately wore beige clothes, and Mick deliberately painted his walls beige, so yes. Neither decision was made specifically for this video, though.
@@jeremyszpicki491 Or maybe bronze was just extremely expensive? It was expensive enough to make people switch to iron working even when early iron was in many ways worse than bronze.
I've seen many early daggers and swords have all-metal construction, A.K.A all part of it from blade to hilt is in one cast. Even if we can't found the actual findings, there's tons of Flint replica of said daggers that show such construction. Maybe they change the all-metal construction into tangless construction to conserve the rare metal, so they could equipped large number of troops with metal weapon instead of few wealthy ones. Overtime, as the economy grows and the states become richer, they don't think that much about conserving the metal and produce tanged variants. As for the tanged spearhead, maybe it's more about casting technology instead of personal preference.
For mounting spearheads like this I think they would have used rawhide. Saxon shields - if memory serves - were made from ox hide and, while not indestructible, were durable. The right kind of rawhide would be stronger than the wood itself. Also rawhide would be applied wet and it would shrink as it dried creating a wicked tight fit. The peg could serve as an anchor point to really lock things in place. Did any of the spear heads have flanges on the butt end of the tang? That would allow for more secure mounting. To counter moisture a thick layer of pine resin or the like could be applied over the rawhide and down the shaft for good measure. A tang like that would be much easier to make so I can see why they stuck with it for a long time.
It's incredibly embarrassing but I actually had no idea later spears were socketed. I've wondered several times in my life how spearheads and arrowheads were attached on but never when I had a computer or phone at hand to google and I guess I just always forgot to wonder about it later.
Not at all related to this video, but I feel you could gain quite an extra audience by doing what you did with iron clad and helen of troy with some of the more popular melee focused/medieval video games. Anyways keep on truckin', seeing one of your videos pop up in my youtube queue is always a treat.
I feel movies are easier to do since video games require the much more interest and input to see much of the game while a film just needs you to watch it. ...Actually, I got an idea. Instead of playing a video game and making a video, he could just watch another person's playthrough of a game and rant about what he sees. So, it actually isn't that much harder to make one about a video game than it is to make one about a movie.
Could the socket originally not be for holding the spearhead to the shaft? If it started with a combined socket and tang, it would make sense to me if the socket was first developed as a way to hold the split shaft together (just replacing the leather cord with nice, solid metal), and then some time later they had the idea of using the socket as the connecting instrument itself.
Judging from contemporary cultures, thin tangs are burned into their mount, not secured into a split. And the wrapping would be much less bulky (and far more secure) when done with rawhide. Straight spear shafts can be obtained from dense, second-growth timber, where saplings are growing tall and thin in competition for light.
I'd love to hear you talk about the Atl-atl :) Not being sarcastic either, I think you'd probably do an excellent job talking about it, with your videos on spears, bows, and slings.
Thank you for another great video. I assume that natural sticks were common, since they are cheaper and due to radial grain they will be more flexible and can be lighter - crafted shafts must be thicker to be stiff enoug to not to break.
You can always take a larger stick and turn it down so it is smooth while keeping the grain in the centre. That way you get the advantages of the natural wood grain as well as the advantages of a turned dowel.
Having just fitted a socket spearhead to an ash pole, I can attest that it takes quite a while to get the fit right even with steel chisels and knvies. And you have the problem of keeping it from sliding off by means of a pin or whatnot. A tang head stuck into a split shaft is a lot quicker and easier. Maybe they just expected the wood to break after awhile and didn't see a need for the fitting process.
It sounds from your description as though socketing might have been first invented in this lineage as a substitute for specifically the leather lashing.
Actually they were describing one account of the picts by a group seeking to return to britain after caesar's first failed invasion, their name roguhly translated to "the painted ones" and the were the druids/shamans for the picts, the also functioned as light shock infantry in battle (sorta of a oxymoron), but were supposedly very good warriors
they would put the spear head on with the leather when it was wet so when it dried it would become stiff. useful Cuz u could take it off to replace or something
Another people who made tanged spearheads was none other than the Japanese, who made the heads for their yari (spears) and naginata with tangs quite similar to those on their swords. I don't mean to make another tired "Europe vs. Japan" comparison with this comment, I just found it interesting to hear the disadvantages of such a construction and I suppose the Japanese nonetheless found it suitable for their purposes. I doubt the concept of a socketed spearhead was unknown to them, since their Chinese neighbors made widespread use of such weapons.
I think it might be that short people are more likely to be introverted and so would be more likely to accumulate "knowledge" at a greater pace... Maybe :)
I'd honestly wager to guess that the Picts probably had more peaceful and prosperous societies than pretty much anyone else around that side of the continent in those days.
As a question for future thought - RPGs often have a skill or proficiency for wearing armor. Did armor require skill to wear and use? Did it require training to effectively wear plate or chain? Did some time periods require more skill than others? What armor was the most difficult to use (if that is even worth evaluating)?
It doesn't take long to get adjusted to the weight, unless you are modern man trying to adapt to it. At which point, expect an hour or two to get adjusted to the weight, possibly a few days of wearing it for that time to build muscle. Afterwards, no more than 10 minutes with armor on and you all but forget you have it on (at least that is how it was for me). If you are adjusted to the weight, then it will only require 20-30 minutes to get adjusted to the articulation (I am most familiar with mail, which moves with you but I have worn partial plate) at most. Certain armors are more mobile than others (full-plate is actually on of the easier ones to move around in due to how articulated each joint is, while certain types of Japanese armor are quite cumbersome and hang heavily from the shoulders).
One other thing to note about armor. If it was a burden like a lot of people seem to think, they wouldn't wear it. If you could not stand up after being knocked over, you wouldn't use it. If you weren't able to fight in it, you wouldn't take it to a fight.
I have the idea that knights had to train in their armor, maybe also training with double-weighted weapons, in order to be effective when fighting in armor. I would assume it would be harder to fight in ancient plate body armor than in mail, since mail is very flexible and people of varying sizes can usually wear the same-sized shirt. I don't really own much pieces of armor, but I assume a set of armor's difficulty would depend a lot on the helmet's breathability and sight. For most difficult armor to wear and use, I would say it might be that Mycenaean Dendra armor just from a glance (it looks stiff and rigid). I hope someone with real-life experience with historical armor could help me on this; I feel there is a lot to say about this topic.
Speaking of which, how do you think modern armor would fare in a melee fight? We have riot gear withstanding bottles and blunt objects but how about swords and the like? How about kevlar?
wanadeena Kevlar on its own isn't much good against medieval weapons as it is susceptible to cutting. As such, large headed cutting arrows likely will do a decent job of getting through it.
The human conservatism om tool making is something to be remarked. The first hominids took forever to change stone tool shapes and innovate - millions of years? I recall reading that British iron plows were resisted in India because the village elders refused to modernize because if it was good enough for their ancestors why change? Only in modern era (where profit motive makes it conducive to build a better mousetrap?) have we seen leaps in innovation.
Aboriginals in Australia {who had no lathes } heated the shaft and straightened them by bending, it i very effective, some of their spears are 12 ft long.
so the tang style was when they split the end and then bound the whole thing. what was a socket style connection? I am having a hard time picturing it.
There is one good point that could be made for tang spear heads. with a tang going through a spit pie of wood and holes going through the tang, you could peg the spear head on and off and have a spear and a good knife all with the same piece of metal. Essential with a tang and pegg arrangment, you all a modular weapon system, where as socke spear head keeps the wood strong and makes for a better spearhead, a spear head removed from it's shaft doesn't make near as good a knife.
Except there's nothing preventing a good socket from forming a perfectly serviceable handle as well. In fact, I'd prefer a round, 2 inch diameter socket in my hand to a half inch bar as a handle any day- and a socket can be taken on and off easier than a tang can.
.......the design of most knives and swords says otherwise, I would rather be holding a bar that round pipe, round bare tend to what to turn in your hand if you strike with them. historical socket spear heads, like historical socket spear heads, also had rivets running through the shaft so the same process for removal would require for each. The only upside is that sockets provide a more secure connection and puts less stress on the wood. Also, as shown by Viking throwing spear practice, making just a socket and no rivet attached to the handle makes the spearhead liable to fall off.
Ah, but Lloyd, The Eagle is secretly set in Bran Mak Morn/Lovecraftian Mythos/Conan The Barbarian shared universe, where -I'm just pulling your leg, it's not, I just found the parallel between R.E. Howard's picts and The Eagle's picts funny.
My thoughts are that his lashings were done with leather lace which is trimmed from sheet leather. Rawhide or sinew makes more sense and it tends to dry hard. Think of a dog's chew toy. Even with all that drool and rubbing, that rawhide doesn't get very soft or soggy. Obviously a treatment of resin would make it even less vulnerable.
I forgot to mention that a primary advantage of rawhide, sinew and even some fibers like root or linen is that many of them shrink as they dry. So they can be wrapped tightly while wet with an adhesive and cure very hard and tight, which adds considerably to the strength. Not all that different in theory than modern materials like carbon fiber or fiberglass really.
GunFun ZS I've stepped on too many soggy rawhide chew toys. If rawhide gets wet enough it will loosen up but as I thought about it a little more they probably would have coated the lashing in pitch or hide glue & that would make it waterproof. Blood would also have a glue effect after it dried.
The idea of depicting Picts as North American Indians comes from Robert E. Howard's Conan the Barbarian. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Maphyboria.jpg
+recursor94 As far as I'm aware it's still the preferred method throughout most of the English-speaking world. We use feet and inches for human height here in Australia, but metric is used for just about everything else.
Not familiar with The Eagle. Have seen Centurion, though... the blandest, most predictable film that I can recall. Bottom line: the legacy of the Ninth Legion evidently boils down to crappy historical-fiction films.
I enjoyed centurion actually i thought it was one of the more bearable movies of its type, i thought it was pretty solid even if it had historical inconsistencies.
I would be nervous enough to be sick too if I were forced charge into a melee in a formation that completely took away my ability to fight back. Worst military tactic ever.
STG: This is a historic channel and uses historic forms of measurement. If you wish for a full immersion experience, come visit our Living History Museum (The USA) where we proudly keep alive our ancient heritage of measurements!
I bet if you can make a bronze spearhead, you can find a somewhat straight branch and peel it. Hafting your masterpiece in this kinda stick would be an abomination. Like wooden wheels on your car.
Gotta love everyone who support the idea of the Romans as the only advanced society that was original in every way and conquered everything because all northern Europeans were knuckle dragging barbarians wearing skins and horned helmets. Honestly I have had enough of the roman rump kissing. (I apologize for the anger but those nutters really, really make me rant.)
That is not the correct way to lash a spearhead with leather. You have to soak the leather in water and apply it wet. It shrinks when it dries and becomes very tight and strong. Assume you did this for the sake of the video and not making a permanent spear with a silly shaft, but it does not accurately depict a proper spear.
Why would they waist time and energy, to make it a smooth dowl? If your making a throwing spear, that would be one thing. But for a staff/spear for hand fighting. I think the natural pole would actually hold up better. Not as rigid as a turned rod. So in combat, it would flex before breaking.
No the native Americans did not dress up in furs, they did not cover themselves in mud, they did not use bone maces and stone axes. The natives of the Americas never covered there heads in stone mud and they didn't have use hunting dogs. So my good sir my words to you is Also NO.
When ever there is a discussion about the ahistoricle depiction of most commonly celts and germanics there is something I like to point out; When we use negative stereotypes to depict diffrent peoples it has a certain name, it's on my tounge, what is it called... oh yeah, RACISM. I think hollywood should stop using racist stereotypes when depicting celts and other such europeans, I find it sad... (celts are actually minorities as the germanic culture is the current one dominating europe, just incase anybody want to jump on the, not valid because it is not a minority train)
Brojangles D Hmm, I do not think you understand what I meant with dominent culture, so I will explain. Through out european history there have always been cultures which have dominated. For example, before the Roman conquests the dominating european culture was the celtic one. So then rome went and conquered everything, and this meant that the dominating culture was now grecho- roman. So you ask, how can our culture be germanic today? Well, during the fall of rome the germanic tribes migrated and created new germanic kingdoms in the ashes of what was west rome, here are a few places which had earlier been celtic but now was ruled by germanic cultures: spain (ostra goths), italy (lombards) and last but not least france (franks). Also let's not forget the anglan and saxon germanic tribes who invaded england and pushed the celts to the north. Later though the anglans and saxons would be defeated by the viking peoples who settled in normandy, these though are also germanic folks as the scandinavien peoples have their rootes in germanic tribes migrating northwards... Today, these cultures, even tough similar 1500 years earlier have evolved into new cultures, not only evolving on their own, but even though diffrent they all have their roots in the germanic tribes who migrated into the former west roman empire...
Everything in this video is brown and beige. Was this intentional?
I deliberately wore beige clothes, and Mick deliberately painted his walls beige, so yes. Neither decision was made specifically for this video, though.
+Kender Hozuki The outside is green tho.
+Kender Hozuki he missed the table it's black
"Will the bronze still need tying to sticks?"
"Oh yes."
"Cracking."
I second the notion that bronze age manufacturing techniques would make excellent topics.
Also, lengthy video are welcomed.
cheers
Please, please, please do make a commentary on "The Eagle", unlike Helen of Troy I've seen it and would very much like that
That sounds interesting and hilarious.
I wish you did more videos. I want to listen to you all day.
Hold on a second, you mean they could easily produce tangs for spears but chose to stick with riveted swords?
Their was probably a law about using to much bronze on swords. Or something dumb.
@@jeremyszpicki491 Or maybe bronze was just extremely expensive? It was expensive enough to make people switch to iron working even when early iron was in many ways worse than bronze.
I've seen many early daggers and swords have all-metal construction, A.K.A all part of it from blade to hilt is in one cast. Even if we can't found the actual findings, there's tons of Flint replica of said daggers that show such construction. Maybe they change the all-metal construction into tangless construction to conserve the rare metal, so they could equipped large number of troops with metal weapon instead of few wealthy ones. Overtime, as the economy grows and the states become richer, they don't think that much about conserving the metal and produce tanged variants.
As for the tanged spearhead, maybe it's more about casting technology instead of personal preference.
Sure, Lloyd, but can you tell me if those small furry animals were indeed gathered together in a cave and grooving with said Picts?
I hate to make this comment, but I have to. This is the best comment on youtube.
That's exactly what I thought of.
@@PaulTheSkeptic EXACTLY what I thought of as well!!! LOLOLOLOLOLO!!
I just died when your little song started!
Lloyd, that jingle made my love for you grow ever stronger. Keep it up, man.
For mounting spearheads like this I think they would have used rawhide. Saxon shields - if memory serves - were made from ox hide and, while not indestructible, were durable. The right kind of rawhide would be stronger than the wood itself. Also rawhide would be applied wet and it would shrink as it dried creating a wicked tight fit. The peg could serve as an anchor point to really lock things in place. Did any of the spear heads have flanges on the butt end of the tang? That would allow for more secure mounting.
To counter moisture a thick layer of pine resin or the like could be applied over the rawhide and down the shaft for good measure. A tang like that would be much easier to make so I can see why they stuck with it for a long time.
You're absolutely AMAZING!!!!
Always fun; and informative.
please do more rants on movies or video games. you're always so funny.
Love the musical interlude
I . . . I want a copy of that song.
It's incredibly embarrassing but I actually had no idea later spears were socketed. I've wondered several times in my life how spearheads and arrowheads were attached on but never when I had a computer or phone at hand to google and I guess I just always forgot to wonder about it later.
Bronze is brilliant!
But does it need to be chipped, though?
video on what a bronze age lathe looked like please. Also maybe what a spear socket was and how it worked
your ancient weapon videos are good, but your a cappella skills need sharpening
Not at all related to this video, but I feel you could gain quite an extra audience by doing what you did with iron clad and helen of troy with some of the more popular melee focused/medieval video games. Anyways keep on truckin', seeing one of your videos pop up in my youtube queue is always a treat.
Please do a video on the british celts/cavemen depicted in Ryse Son of Rome/really shitty video game...
I feel movies are easier to do since video games require the much more interest and input to see much of the game while a film just needs you to watch it.
...Actually, I got an idea. Instead of playing a video game and making a video, he could just watch another person's playthrough of a game and rant about what he sees. So, it actually isn't that much harder to make one about a video game than it is to make one about a movie.
wamken619 Exactly...
Trouble is, I don't play them. I have backed the Kickstarter for that Czech one, though...
Lindybeige And here I thought you were labouring like a slave, making videos, merily for my personal enjoyment...
That song is awesome
Well, now I'm done watching the whole playlist, funny enough this video came out today.
Could the socket originally not be for holding the spearhead to the shaft? If it started with a combined socket and tang, it would make sense to me if the socket was first developed as a way to hold the split shaft together (just replacing the leather cord with nice, solid metal), and then some time later they had the idea of using the socket as the connecting instrument itself.
Do you plan on doing a video about the picts at some point in the future, because you seem to keep bringing up those points?
I think the crooked tree limb shaft is actually rather pretty on it.
Judging from contemporary cultures, thin tangs are burned into their mount, not secured into a split. And the wrapping would be much less bulky (and far more secure) when done with rawhide. Straight spear shafts can be obtained from dense, second-growth timber, where saplings are growing tall and thin in competition for light.
I'd love to hear you talk about the Atl-atl :) Not being sarcastic either, I think you'd probably do an excellent job talking about it, with your videos on spears, bows, and slings.
2:07 my favorite part
You should place a link presenting a socket version.
Thank you for another great video. I assume that natural sticks were common, since they are cheaper and due to radial grain they will be more flexible and can be lighter - crafted shafts must be thicker to be stiff enoug to not to break.
You can always take a larger stick and turn it down so it is smooth while keeping the grain in the centre. That way you get the advantages of the natural wood grain as well as the advantages of a turned dowel.
That song is my new favorite. Lindy, could you send me the MP3 so that I can make that my ringtone?
The tang is perfect for bone/tusk handles, since you just boil the bone/tooth soft, and push it in, then when it dries it gets hard.
Do you ever plan to any videos on Indian weapons? I'm particulary interested in the usage of the pata gauntlet sword.
how did sockets work?
how'd they attach them to the haft?
Having just fitted a socket spearhead to an ash pole, I can attest that it takes quite a while to get the fit right even with steel chisels and knvies. And you have the problem of keeping it from sliding off by means of a pin or whatnot. A tang head stuck into a split shaft is a lot quicker and easier. Maybe they just expected the wood to break after awhile and didn't see a need for the fitting process.
It sounds from your description as though socketing might have been first invented in this lineage as a substitute for specifically the leather lashing.
Twidly bits
Actually they were describing one account of the picts by a group seeking to return to britain after caesar's first failed invasion, their name roguhly translated to "the painted ones" and the were the druids/shamans for the picts, the also functioned as light shock infantry in battle (sorta of a oxymoron), but were supposedly very good warriors
I never knew you were such a talented songwriter 2:07
Damn it Lindy, you seem to be my British doppelganger. 6'3, 185, and my kids think you are me when they seem me watching your videos...
Tang tang! Do I hear an album deal in the works?
holy mackerel that's an obscure pink floyd reference
they would put the spear head on with the leather when it was wet so when it dried it would become stiff. useful Cuz u could take it off to replace or something
LENS FLARE INTENSIFIES
Another people who made tanged spearheads was none other than the Japanese, who made the heads for their yari (spears) and naginata with tangs quite similar to those on their swords. I don't mean to make another tired "Europe vs. Japan" comparison with this comment, I just found it interesting to hear the disadvantages of such a construction and I suppose the Japanese nonetheless found it suitable for their purposes. I doubt the concept of a socketed spearhead was unknown to them, since their Chinese neighbors made widespread use of such weapons.
rip cute furry animals, your sacrifice was not in vain.
Hm.. was that a Floyd reference at the end there?
Am I the only one that thought he was like 5'8" - 5'10"?!?
historically most smart people have been shorties so maybe your mind was drawing off that?
I think it might be that short people are more likely to be introverted and so would be more likely to accumulate "knowledge" at a greater pace... Maybe :)
+Christian Rankin I would have guessed 6'.
The eagle really annoyed me as well for the very same reason!
Might this be hinting towards a future video or two ripping into 'The Eagle', or am I being too optimistic?
Wrap the tang end in wet leather then dry over a fire. You have a light weight bond stronger than any glue can find in that time period...
Is that your house? I absolutely adore that room, it's beautiful.
+mike b (Fugenchutenz) i agree
Is that a Leatherman in your sheath(e) (never sure when to apply the English superfluous "e")? If so or if not, what multitool do you favo(u)r? :)
Where do you store all your weapons?
I'd honestly wager to guess that the Picts probably had more peaceful and prosperous societies than pretty much anyone else around that side of the continent in those days.
Because everyone else in that period was blood-lusty and warmongering?
Ummm...You do know why Boudica is famous don't you?
HeadOfState908 she wasn't a Pict.
HeadOfState908 They did outfight the Scots and the Danes in the dark ages I beleive.
Nice Pink Floyd reference at the end
As a question for future thought - RPGs often have a skill or proficiency for wearing armor. Did armor require skill to wear and use? Did it require training to effectively wear plate or chain? Did some time periods require more skill than others? What armor was the most difficult to use (if that is even worth evaluating)?
It doesn't take long to get adjusted to the weight, unless you are modern man trying to adapt to it. At which point, expect an hour or two to get adjusted to the weight, possibly a few days of wearing it for that time to build muscle. Afterwards, no more than 10 minutes with armor on and you all but forget you have it on (at least that is how it was for me).
If you are adjusted to the weight, then it will only require 20-30 minutes to get adjusted to the articulation (I am most familiar with mail, which moves with you but I have worn partial plate) at most. Certain armors are more mobile than others (full-plate is actually on of the easier ones to move around in due to how articulated each joint is, while certain types of Japanese armor are quite cumbersome and hang heavily from the shoulders).
One other thing to note about armor. If it was a burden like a lot of people seem to think, they wouldn't wear it. If you could not stand up after being knocked over, you wouldn't use it. If you weren't able to fight in it, you wouldn't take it to a fight.
I have the idea that knights had to train in their armor, maybe also training with double-weighted weapons, in order to be effective when fighting in armor. I would assume it would be harder to fight in ancient plate body armor than in mail, since mail is very flexible and people of varying sizes can usually wear the same-sized shirt. I don't really own much pieces of armor, but I assume a set of armor's difficulty would depend a lot on the helmet's breathability and sight. For most difficult armor to wear and use, I would say it might be that Mycenaean Dendra armor just from a glance (it looks stiff and rigid). I hope someone with real-life experience with historical armor could help me on this; I feel there is a lot to say about this topic.
Speaking of which, how do you think modern armor would fare in a melee fight? We have riot gear withstanding bottles and blunt objects but how about swords and the like? How about kevlar?
wanadeena Kevlar on its own isn't much good against medieval weapons as it is susceptible to cutting. As such, large headed cutting arrows likely will do a decent job of getting through it.
The human conservatism om tool making is something to be remarked. The first hominids took forever to change stone tool shapes and innovate - millions of years? I recall reading that British iron plows were resisted in India because the village elders refused to modernize because if it was good enough for their ancestors why change? Only in modern era (where profit motive makes it conducive to build a better mousetrap?) have we seen leaps in innovation.
What is a good ironage warfare movie in your opinion. In terms of getting the historical accuracy right?
Centurian wasnt bad. Not 100% accurate but a way more so than The Eagle. Another film about the mystery of 9th legion.
Review the Eagle!
Aboriginals in Australia {who had no lathes } heated the shaft and straightened them by bending, it i very effective, some of their spears are 12 ft long.
Can we talk about that song really quick? Dafuq was that!? I was more scared when I heard that than I have been watching any horror movie.
so the tang style was when they split the end and then bound the whole thing. what was a socket style connection? I am having a hard time picturing it.
Cone on stick
ahhhh I gotcha. thanks!
There is one good point that could be made for tang spear heads. with a tang going through a spit pie of wood and holes going through the tang, you could peg the spear head on and off and have a spear and a good knife all with the same piece of metal. Essential with a tang and pegg arrangment, you all a modular weapon system, where as socke spear head keeps the wood strong and makes for a better spearhead, a spear head removed from it's shaft doesn't make near as good a knife.
Except there's nothing preventing a good socket from forming a perfectly serviceable handle as well. In fact, I'd prefer a round, 2 inch diameter socket in my hand to a half inch bar as a handle any day- and a socket can be taken on and off easier than a tang can.
.......the design of most knives and swords says otherwise, I would rather be holding a bar that round pipe, round bare tend to what to turn in your hand if you strike with them. historical socket spear heads, like historical socket spear heads, also had rivets running through the shaft so the same process for removal would require for each. The only upside is that sockets provide a more secure connection and puts less stress on the wood. Also, as shown by Viking throwing spear practice, making just a socket and no rivet attached to the handle makes the spearhead liable to fall off.
Earthenfist exactly the point of the cold steel bushman!
Ah, but Lloyd, The Eagle is secretly set in Bran Mak Morn/Lovecraftian Mythos/Conan The Barbarian shared universe, where -I'm just pulling your leg, it's not, I just found the parallel between R.E. Howard's picts and The Eagle's picts funny.
I'm thinking that after a long bloody battle that the leather lashing would get wet and begin to stretch and loosen. Any thoughts?
My thoughts are that his lashings were done with leather lace which is trimmed from sheet leather. Rawhide or sinew makes more sense and it tends to dry hard. Think of a dog's chew toy. Even with all that drool and rubbing, that rawhide doesn't get very soft or soggy. Obviously a treatment of resin would make it even less vulnerable.
I forgot to mention that a primary advantage of rawhide, sinew and even some fibers like root or linen is that many of them shrink as they dry. So they can be wrapped tightly while wet with an adhesive and cure very hard and tight, which adds considerably to the strength. Not all that different in theory than modern materials like carbon fiber or fiberglass really.
GunFun ZS I've stepped on too many soggy rawhide chew toys. If rawhide gets wet enough it will loosen up but as I thought about it a little more they probably would have coated the lashing in pitch or hide glue & that would make it waterproof. Blood would also have a glue effect after it dried.
Why is the shaft so crooked?
Why did they have tanged spears, but not swords?
Sounds like Adam Ant
i think you forgot to mention that its lashed on
Ah, the Eagle. History as told by the Romans perhaps?
I had to like for the end text
While the branch isn't accurate, I rather enjoy it's appearance.
The idea of depicting Picts as North American Indians comes from Robert E. Howard's Conan the Barbarian.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Maphyboria.jpg
I hope you at least managed to turn the cute little creatures into a nice furry jacket or something.
I would have thought tanged spearheads were more of a hold over from the Stone Age. People would have been used to tanged Flint weapons.
That negative view of the Picts, comes from the Romans, of course.
Wait a minute--do British people measure their heights in terms of feet and inches?
+recursor94 As far as I'm aware it's still the preferred method throughout most of the English-speaking world. We use feet and inches for human height here in Australia, but metric is used for just about everything else.
+recursor94 Yes, usually. Lloyd is particularly conservative though.
They use Stone for personal weight too.
Tang is delicious...
Wait, you're 6'3"!? I thought you were like 5'9"!
Not familiar with The Eagle. Have seen Centurion, though... the blandest, most predictable film that I can recall. Bottom line: the legacy of the Ninth Legion evidently boils down to crappy historical-fiction films.
Is that the film where the Celts roll giant flaming balls of branches into a marching legion?
195ashes That would be the one, yes.
I enjoyed centurion actually i thought it was one of the more bearable movies of its type, i thought it was pretty solid even if it had historical inconsistencies.
I liked Centurion, but it definitely didn't feel much like a Roman movie.
I would be nervous enough to be sick too if I were forced charge into a melee in a formation that completely took away my ability to fight back. Worst military tactic ever.
Reported to the RSPCA for harming cute furry animals.
You're 6-3??? Holy shit you're tall.
But the real issue here is, what happened to the metric system?
+Sandro The Great England is a confusing mish-mash of metric and imperial.
STG: This is a historic channel and uses historic forms of measurement. If you wish for a full immersion experience, come visit our Living History Museum (The USA) where we proudly keep alive our ancient heritage of measurements!
I bet if you can make a bronze spearhead, you can find a somewhat straight branch and peel it. Hafting your masterpiece in this kinda stick would be an abomination. Like wooden wheels on your car.
Gotta love everyone who support the idea of the Romans as the only advanced society that was original in every way and conquered everything because all northern Europeans were knuckle dragging barbarians wearing skins and horned helmets. Honestly I have had enough of the roman rump kissing.
(I apologize for the anger but those nutters really, really make me rant.)
Why is the shaft so meh, it's all crooked... heat it up and straighten it out!
That is not the correct way to lash a spearhead with leather. You have to soak the leather in water and apply it wet. It shrinks when it dries and becomes very tight and strong. Assume you did this for the sake of the video and not making a permanent spear with a silly shaft, but it does not accurately depict a proper spear.
Why would they waist time and energy, to make it a smooth dowl? If your making a throwing spear, that would be one thing.
But for a staff/spear for hand fighting. I think the natural pole would actually hold up better. Not as rigid as a turned rod. So in combat, it would flex before breaking.
Sshh! He did say it was just to demostrate and that it was not a proper lashing.
No the native Americans did not dress up in furs, they did not cover themselves in mud, they did not use bone maces and stone axes. The natives of the Americas never covered there heads in stone mud and they didn't have use hunting dogs. So my good sir my words to you is Also NO.
When ever there is a discussion about the ahistoricle depiction of most commonly celts and germanics there is something I like to point out; When we use negative stereotypes to depict diffrent peoples it has a certain name, it's on my tounge, what is it called... oh yeah, RACISM.
I think hollywood should stop using racist stereotypes when depicting celts and other such europeans, I find it sad... (celts are actually minorities as the germanic culture is the current one dominating europe, just incase anybody want to jump on the, not valid because it is not a minority train)
I think anglo-germanic relations have come on a long way since antiquity.
Yes...?
Brojangles D Hmm, I do not think you understand what I meant with dominent culture, so I will explain. Through out european history there have always been cultures which have dominated. For example, before the Roman conquests the dominating european culture was the celtic one. So then rome went and conquered everything, and this meant that the dominating culture was now grecho- roman. So you ask, how can our culture be germanic today? Well, during the fall of rome the germanic tribes migrated and created new germanic kingdoms in the ashes of what was west rome, here are a few places which had earlier been celtic but now was ruled by germanic cultures: spain (ostra goths), italy (lombards) and last but not least france (franks). Also let's not forget the anglan and saxon germanic tribes who invaded england and pushed the celts to the north. Later though the anglans and saxons would be defeated by the viking peoples who settled in normandy, these though are also germanic folks as the scandinavien peoples have their rootes in germanic tribes migrating northwards...
Today, these cultures, even tough similar 1500 years earlier have evolved into new cultures, not only evolving on their own, but even though diffrent they all have their roots in the germanic tribes who migrated into the former west roman empire...
Yupp, the angles were a germanic tribe who migrated to britain, just lie the saxons.
HOD0R Oh, I thought you wrote to me. Sorry =D
I've grown tired of your anti-Navajo bigotry...